September 17, 2025 • 29 mins
Indiana's Energy and Natural Resources Secretary Suzie Jaworowski has made headlines for encouraging companies attempting energy projects to sue local governments if they don't get their way. Jaworoski, a cabinet member of Governor Mike Braun, made the shocking remarks while speaking to the Indiana Fiscal Policy Institute. Her attacks on local governments across the state sparked immediate blowback. Rob Kendall, Abdul-Hakim Shabazz, and Jim Merritt examine Jaworowski's inflammatory statements and the potential fallout on this week's Statehouse Happenings.
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Speaker 3 (01:40):
Jim Merritt.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
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Speaker 3 (01:45):
Dou Will Keeps Shabaz. Hello, Good morning, my friends.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
How's it going today?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
All the little pep in your spent there? Buster Brown?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
All right, So okay, let's so many places we could begin.
Let's start with the governor, Mike Braun basically letting the
cat out of the bag that they're going to do
a special session for redistricting, and it looks like it's
gonna happen in November.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Well, he can call a special session, but that's probably
all he'll be able to do.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Oh, there's no way he would call it if he
didn't have the votes. Right, the votes are not there.
What you gotta be kidding? Okay, So Braun, it will
be up. Let's put it this way. This problem will
be excited today. It will be in this weekend's chee
chet because whenever I don't plan to put out one,
that's when stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
I have it on very good authority that if Governor
Brown were to call a special session, literally the Capitol
Dome would blow off the roof.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
He said, So this is according to India Indiana Capitol Chronicle.
He was on Whoa Woah, which is the talk station
in Fort Wayne. In the process, where we will evolve
in that direction, quote, I want it to be where
it wasn't forced upon our legislature, have our lead talk
to their own caucus members. Some have already changed their
point of view when they look at what good comes
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from it. You're going to find that probably the legislators
will come around to it. I'm going to give them time.
I think eventually we'll get there. Look, we've been at
this for months now. This thing has now been on
the table in front of these people for months, Jim,
this has reached a point of ridiculous that if you've
got to work this hard to get some person to
come around to something, it probably ain't that good.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, it's really interesting that it's taken so long from
when we started talking about this, when the legislature started
talking about this. When Vice President JD. Vance visits Indianapolis,
legislators visit the White House, and there's probably fire behind
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the smoke that the votes aren't there, Because if the
votes were there, I think we would have been there
done that, because if you do it right with a
special session, you've probably got twelve business days in regards
to all the transparency that has to go forward with
the public hearings, and.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
They're not doing any of that.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Well, it just adds to the fodder right to the
power of a lawsuit. At the end, if there isn't
the prescribed or the idea of hearings and second reading
and third reading and amendments and everything that comes with
the legislation.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Okay, he said something else.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Then this is the most concerning part of all of this,
he said, quote quoting a Capitol chronicle, he being brawn.
If we try to drag our feet as a state
on it probably will have consequences of not working with
the Trump administration as tightly as we should. He's basically
saying that the Trump administration is the mafia. Unless you
do whatever political activity that we desire, we're going to
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withhold money from you.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
He's basically saying Donald Trump has made the state he
had an offer it can't refuse.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I mean, that's where as red state as you could be.
We've always been very good to Donald Trump. Heck, your
last vice president came from our state. And unless we
further rig our election maps, you're going to hold money away.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Actually it's not necessarily money. It could be a number
of different things. For example, there's no the tolling that
the state of Indiana wants to do, or Bro's been
talking about doing on I sixty five that could get
held up. Well, it's related to money. Yeah, Medicaid waivers
you know, that could get held up.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
It always comes back to money.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah, And if it'sposly, all need to make a line
to say it's not about money.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
It's about money. Yeah. I think it's going to be
tolling of seventy not sixty five. At least that's what
I've heard. And it does come back to money. It's
everything about money. And that's a shame that that that
that that sort of situation is held over the head
of the legislature and the governor. They the federal government
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always holds sway over states, but no more so than
right now.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
But I mean, you got a man up or woman up.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
If you're in the person up and just say okay,
then do it like I'm not doing what's wrong because
some guy's threatening me, like we can't run a society
like that. And I cannot believe. Well I can because
it's Braun, but I cannot believe he actually admitted that
out loud.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
And also the other thing too, is the other sort
of damnicle is that the Trump folks and Braun have
over the over lawmakers heads. Is the whole issue of
real healthcare because go out to yal hospitals that are
hurting right now, and like if you're in Seymour or
Jasper and you've got to drive like, you know, thirty
a half hour to Indianapolis to get your health care
take care of No, that's another one of those sort
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of stick approaches. The problem is with what the broad
people are trying to do via the Trump people is
be two cued by half. And yet the more you ask,
the more you push, the more you push, these guys
eventually are going to say, Okay, no, that's it. We're done,
and we're going to show you how powerful the legislature
actually is.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Well, and you they can't point to a single poll
that I've seen, because you know, if they had one,
they throw it out there that shays, oh the public
is so.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Behind this, Oh well look at that a second.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I wanted to spend some time on this, though, Jim,
because Braun is not the guy for this conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
He doesn't have.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
He doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to drive policy across
the finish line and that's what you need right now.
And him, I mean, he's just the worst guy imaginable
to try to sell this to people.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Well, I worry about his relationships with legislators. If you
recall correctly, back in January February, there were ads that
were placed against senators for a day, for a day,
but the essence of that type of strategy was employed
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against my former brethren. And I'd never seen a governor
do that. I'm sure Donald Trump had considered that with Congress,
and maybe it used that that approach, but uh, this
is this is a detail. This is a uh, this
is a governor legislator type of conversation where you have
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legislators into the governor's office to talk to them about, uh,
this situation. And and I'm not sure the relationships are there.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Oh, the relationships are definitely not there. It reminds me
of where the Democrats have the walkout over right to
work and Mitch Daniels ran radio ads Pat Bower, won't
you please come home? To the old Bill Bailey want
you please come home? That I'll never forget.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Now.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
He didn't attack them. He just said, hey, come here,
come back, come back to Indiana, and let's get your
work done. He didn't literally like you know, Representative Chet
Dobis or Representative Terry Gooden, They're horrible, evil people. They
should be excommunicated. But there was there was none of that, Mitch.
And that's why Mitch. I missed Mitch Daniels every single day.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
The thing is no, wait wait wait wait wait, he wasn't. Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I mean he did a lot of goofy stuff too.
I mean see that little stadium down the street from
us that the taxpayers are on the hook for basically
a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Governor daniels relationships with legislators was darn good. Well, that's fine,
and that's what we're talking about it.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I'm just speaking what you're saying, that he was good
at getting things done. I'm saying sometimes with Mitch, and
he's a friend of our show and he's been on
the show numerous times, but sometimes with Mitch, we act
like the infallible mister Daniels.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
And it's like, oh that didn't turn out so well.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Well, well we always you always, we always romanticized about
the past. Technically, the way things are going Indiana, I
missed the days of ref roll.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Well, early on the Governor Daniels. Then Governor Daniels had
trouble getting his his his traction. However, his relationships with legislators,
including myself. We were spot on if if you had
a if you had a beef, or he had an idea, uh,
he'd have you in, or a chief of staff or
or one of his staffer would have you in to
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talk it out and flesh it out a lot like
Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You ever got my mad? You ever been mad?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I tend to work around mad.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, you're like the ned Flanders of this show. I
just wondered, like, have you ever yelled at a colleague?
Like did you ever pound a table?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Or?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
There were some legislators that I'd have my office that
we called the woodshed, but I would make it very
clear on my position on the matter without raising my voice.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Like Mike delf and the caucus thing.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Are you the one who kicked help out of the caucus?
It was a caucaus decision. You gotta go.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Abdul knows the story.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That'd be a great one for your book. Rob Kendall,
Jim Merritt, Bill keep Jabos. The Program of State ho
was happenings your weekly look at what's going on with
Indiana politics and government. Talking about redistricting and the governor
apparently saying they're going or basically about to go or
likely to go, I guess to special session in November. Now,
this also tells me that the maps are already rigged.
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They already know what they're gonna do, and they already
know who they want to run, because if you approve
this in November, that gives you two months to decide
if you're running for Congress, and other than the uber
connected or the uber rich, there ain't no way you're
fundraising enough or putting a staff together to run for Congress.
So they are already they've got to be alerting people
to what these maps might look like, who who they
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might deem desirable to run jenniferuth Green.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You see.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
But here's the thing though, But what they dont understand
about the maps though, is let's say lawmakers pass the
maps in November, November three, November fourth, the lawsuits are
filed immediately for voting rights stuff, for equal protection laws,
the whole nine yards. And this is basically on that
one map that basically has Mary kunt Of divide into
three Yeah. Sections, that's the map where that's the fake
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map we're working with, right, that's right, right now you
do that, lawsuits are filed an injunction is issued in
a month, you've got filing deadlines, right, people need to
know what districts they're going to be.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
In primary coming up. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Well, and here's what's interesting too about this is I
think the state is Louisiana. There is a lawsuit that
is in front of the Supreme Court dealing with the
Voting Rights Act, and whatever gets decided with that is
gonna be the rules of the game going forward. And
part of me says, and I was having this conversation
with somebody yesterday, the Supreme Court, I don't think likes
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to be cornered on making a choice, right. They kind
of like to work at their own pace, and they're
more have to come around to your side, or if
they're leaning your side, if you let them work at
their own pace, they're really until that lawsuit gets decided.
If you actually wanted to be able to have more freedom,
shall we say in how you draw these maps, the
best thing to do would be to let that thing
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play out. But now they're going to basically force these
guys into a decision, and I don't think that's gonna
go well for a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
See, here's thing about Spreme Court we'll decided when we
damn will feel like it.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
But now they're gonna have all these lawsuits in front
of them, are gonna be like and you know what
we're we'll.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Decide what dand with it or better yet, we'll see
in June. We'll see in June. Have a nice day.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, you know, to be relying on on another state
to settle what could be one additional member member of
Congress for the Republican Party, because as far as I know,
things have really died down about this piecemeal uh getting
rid of Congressman Carson's district and and it's more palatable
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to the legislator legislature here to divide up and consolidate
what is now Congressman Frank Mr. Van Seat.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well, okay, so let's pause with that.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That see, this is why this is so stupid, because
Andrew Ireland was on our show state representative in Indianapolis
and he and I think he said this in other
forums too, and this is very weird to me that
he's supportive of the session but not the maps until
he sees the maps. And he basically made us unlike,
unless you draw a car person out, he ain't voting
for it, So are there gonna be people that are
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gonna be that way?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Like this isn't intense enough.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So I just kind of wonder if these individuals, including
Representative Ireland, are actually talking to their constituents.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, because who is supporting this?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Who are the people? Nobody?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
The only people who support this are Josh Kelly and
a couple other folks and the governor chief of staff,
govern chief of staff and a few of the folks
in the Governor's office and the hardcore partisan you know,
the Todd Raketas Diego Morales is of this world, which,
by the way, if I do something in Tyrake and
Diaga Morales, it's a good idea. That's my first cool Like, no,
we probably shouldn't do this.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Well, don't forget the third of me go there in
the group, the lieutenant governor, he's all on board with
this too. So you mentioned Josh Kelly, Abdul, the governor's
chief of staff. At what point does the governor have
to look around and go nothing's going well? Like nothing,
property taxes, disaster, the utility bill stuff, disaster, the tolling
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does that?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Like?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Does that? It's one had raised taxes to balance the budget.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
And take a step further look at personnel. Jose Evans,
Jennifer Ruth. Now, Jose just tell it right real quick.
Whose hose Evans was the former head of civil Rights
commits right, Jennifer Ruth Green public Safety gone? Uh, Mike
Spuh who's ahead of business services, had his had his
personnel late issues. I want to say, they're going to
like four major cabinet posts in like nine months. Yeah,
(15:28):
So at some point, now I know he's got it
some time to have a baby, he's.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Got enough affinity or he's got an immense affinity for
for Josh Kelly and and a lot of people he's
connected to. But at some point, don't you have to
say this just doesn't seem to beat the job for you.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Well, you know, with with the governor or any chief
executive officer for a company or for the president United States,
you are your people and and and your staffing is
so very important. And and I'm certain that the governer
is always looking at what what the situation is in
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inside the governor's office and and if it isn't, then
there's a real problem there.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Okay, So I'm gonna give you guys three options and
you can choose which one you think it'll be all
right ready all the above. Option Option one is no
special session. Option two is special session and it fails.
The maps fail. Option three is special session in the
MAPS pass. Which one would you choose if you had
to pick right now.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I would say special session but no MAPS period.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I say a special session and maps. I think it
will all flow. The pressure is so hard, harsh and
hard on on the governor, on the legislature that that
this will happen. It will not be two seats. The
focus will be on Northwest Indiana and UH and and
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and it'll get done it. Uh, the legislator legislature really
visited Washington, they got the I'm sure they got pressed
upon the Vice President coming here. I think it happens.
They'll have to spend money to do it. It probably
will hover around Organization Day, which is two weeks after
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the first Tuesday in the month of November. And they'll
have to do it quick because schedules. We tried to
at one time, the legislature Senate tried to have hearings
in December and it was just got awful trying to
get a schedule going. So they'll have to do it
sometime in November prior to organization Day.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Okay, I think I'm with merit, although I'm going to
be fascinated to see if they don't draw Carsons District up.
How many people say, ain't going for that?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
You see?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Because here's the thing though, but I don't think my
friends on the second floor fully appreciate that. Being the
governor's office, if you decide to carve up the seventh
Congression District, you will unleash, holy hell, picture every apocalyptic
film that you've ever seen in your entire life. This
is the omen one, two three and pie. Because the
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African American voters, those little ladies who mind their own business,
who don't necessarily come out and vote because I think
it's no big deal, will get mad. They'll be ticked
off and they will come out. And not only will
if who's at risk there? Actually I would argue the state,
the whole state wise, the whole state, the whole states
at risk because you're Dan Elliots, You're at LISTA Shallis,
Jacom Wallis's, you know, all all those guys. If if
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the afric Americans come out and vote, because if we always.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Talk about the Marion County, the Central Indiana bubble. Uh,
nobody knew what was going down. Uh in Clark County
with Jamie Knowle. Uh. No one in northwest Indiana is
going to know or believe what Jennifer Ruth Green did.
And so how does it get outside of the twenty
counties that listen to us?
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Easy because African Americans will come out and vote and drove.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Because they are outside the bubble.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And as are you implying, Jim like that some news
there are black people outside of outside.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Of the toy I think I just love that you
put that up.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
There are there are African American voters outside of the
twenty county sierras.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I'm asking the question we.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
See the thing is see but just the thing though,
you don't necessarily need those African Americans who live out,
say you know, in Richmond or or Danville, there are
enough African American voters they actually were to come out
in droves in Marion County. That and switches the apple
cart because at the end of the day, and is
what really like a fifty two, fifty three forty seven
the state when it's all said and done, to throw
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the African Americans out there you got the white progressives
who are mad and ticked off, and then you've got
that litt old lady who lives in Danville like this
is bs, this is ridiculous, This is not what I
signed up for.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
You.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
You'll piss off enough of everybody that you can literally
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Democrats instead of Republicans.
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the program of State House Happenings, your weekly look at
what's going on with Indiana politics and government. All right, Merrit,
your friends stepped in it. Now you are friends with
this woman, right.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Susie Ja. Yes, and when she served as a candidate
to run for the legislature, I was the chairman of
her campaign.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yes, okay, so she is what the energy and Natural
Resources secretary for Braun Yes, and people are now you're right,
she's a failed state house candidate. And then she did
something for Trump capes it's sick, I know, but losing
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is still losing. And then she was worked for Trump, right,
some sort of energy something for Trump. She was at
was at the Indiana Fiscal Policy Institute, and you have
this story at Indie Politics Abdual Capital Chronicle as the
story up, and she blasted these local governments who are
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crafting policy that are essentially shutting down wind and solar
and various other energy projects.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Well close it was based.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
That didn't work out well.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Yeah, The conversation was around data centers because the policy
summit this time around was about energy in Indiana's energy needs,
water resources, the whole nine yards, and so the conversation
came about data center because at the end of the day,
that was the anentered pound grill in the room everybody
was talking about. And so some local governments of like
he was talking about Hello, governments would know they court
the data center like Google, and then as they get
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closer and closer, they would change the thing, and then
the data center couldn't pop up.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Time time out on a second of that. This is
the problem with the IEDC. We don't get any information
for her to act like these local communities.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Are like your data center. I don't think that's exactly
how this course works.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
It was.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Here's the thing though, So went have to say that
if you're a developer and those local governments they do
all this, then at the last minute they pulled the
rug forneath, you should sue these local governments.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
So and everybody's job it was. It was a lining
blazing saddles. Look ark, I said, the sheriff is then
the sheriff shows up, excuse me, while the whipness upus
like jaws dropped the floor.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Literally that was the root.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Okay, so is a quote that's disgraceful personally, I think
that those companies should start suing those communities and get
serious about it. So what she's mad about is that
in any economic development proposal, there's a back and forth
amongst the staff for lack of a better term. And
then it starts the process of working through local economic
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development commissions, the planning commission, and then the ultimate decider
is either the town or city council or the you know,
the county commissioners. And that's how the process works. And
who listens to the citizens the most, the elected people.
She's mad that appears to be mad that the local
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elected officials are listening to the local people in their community.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I disagree with my friend Secretary Jabowski on this. One.
Way back in the nineties, when utilities were struggling to
offer power when August came and it was really hot,
or winter came in, it was really cold, and some
of the utilities, some of the entities came into Indianapolis
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and Indiana it had peaker stations, peaking stations, And what
I mean by that is they came in and they
wanted offer power so that when a utility couldn't come
with it, when when the extreme measures came uh that
that they would add on to it, add on to
the top of it. Well, some of those peak are
peaking stations. Some of those companies failed early on because
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they didn't come into the community and talk with the mayor,
talk with city council, talk with the chamber, talk with
the people that really the build relationships. And I think
I think that's I don't know enough about this Franklin
Township to really understand exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
There's a Google Data SI.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Google survived in Tennessee because they went into the Tennessee
Valley Authority. They went in and talked with the Governor's office,
they went in talk with the locals, and and they
now have a situation where Google is bringing power to
the state and but it's not to the risk or
to the to the the rate payer. Google is created
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the power and they've had a kind of a they've
deregulated the situation, and that's what should happen here. They
shouldn't come in and over overwhelm the locals, which it
looks like they did in Franklin Township.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
She went on to say, these local moratoriums are setting
our energy policy, and not only that, it's creating a
reputation or industry doesn't want to come. That's so offensive
because first of all, we don't exist for industry, but
second of all, clearly they do want to come, because
there's like forty of these things that are proposed over the.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
You know next, Well, they've got to do it differently
in other places.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
How many news relations that we got from the governor's office,
and it has the best place to start a base,
and he had the best place to raise a family,
and then that has the best place to do this great,
great quality of life. So if nobody wants to come here,
then okay, which one isn't? Are we are a great
place to do business? Are we a horrible place?
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Well, it's time to start over with Google and everything
else and not come in here and just kind of
expect the locals to rule there.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, but we're not talking about that, but talking about
your friend here. Your friend needs some sort of class
on how to talk to people. Because that was so
offensive what she said. Got thirty seconds left here of
the show. I'll give you the final word, Jim. That
is so offensive the way she worded that, And I
hope she woke up today realizing how many people are
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livid at her.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Well, I haven't had a conversation with the secretary, probably
on purpose. There has to be a change and strategy
if you're going to have data centers. I truly believe
that Crane Naval Base ought to be the first place
for a small module reactor because it's federal land and
we need to start over.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
What a show. It always goes by so fast.
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Speaker 3 (01:40):
Jim Merritt.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
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Speaker 3 (01:45):
Dou Will Keeps Shabaz. Hello, Good morning, my friends.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
How's it going today?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
All the little pep in your spent there? Buster Brown?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
All right, So okay, let's so many places we could begin.
Let's start with the governor, Mike Braun basically letting the
cat out of the bag that they're going to do
a special session for redistricting, and it looks like it's
gonna happen in November.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Well, he can call a special session, but that's probably
all he'll be able to do.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Oh, there's no way he would call it if he
didn't have the votes. Right, the votes are not there.
What you gotta be kidding? Okay, So Braun, it will
be up. Let's put it this way. This problem will
be excited today. It will be in this weekend's chee
chet because whenever I don't plan to put out one,
that's when stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
I have it on very good authority that if Governor
Brown were to call a special session, literally the Capitol
Dome would blow off the roof.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
He said, So this is according to India Indiana Capitol Chronicle.
He was on Whoa Woah, which is the talk station
in Fort Wayne. In the process, where we will evolve
in that direction, quote, I want it to be where
it wasn't forced upon our legislature, have our lead talk
to their own caucus members. Some have already changed their
point of view when they look at what good comes
(03:06):
from it. You're going to find that probably the legislators
will come around to it. I'm going to give them time.
I think eventually we'll get there. Look, we've been at
this for months now. This thing has now been on
the table in front of these people for months, Jim,
this has reached a point of ridiculous that if you've
got to work this hard to get some person to
come around to something, it probably ain't that good.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, it's really interesting that it's taken so long from
when we started talking about this, when the legislature started
talking about this. When Vice President JD. Vance visits Indianapolis,
legislators visit the White House, and there's probably fire behind
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the smoke that the votes aren't there, Because if the
votes were there, I think we would have been there
done that, because if you do it right with a
special session, you've probably got twelve business days in regards
to all the transparency that has to go forward with
the public hearings, and.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
They're not doing any of that.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Well, it just adds to the fodder right to the
power of a lawsuit. At the end, if there isn't
the prescribed or the idea of hearings and second reading
and third reading and amendments and everything that comes with
the legislation.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Okay, he said something else.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Then this is the most concerning part of all of this,
he said, quote quoting a Capitol chronicle, he being brawn.
If we try to drag our feet as a state
on it probably will have consequences of not working with
the Trump administration as tightly as we should. He's basically
saying that the Trump administration is the mafia. Unless you
do whatever political activity that we desire, we're going to
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withhold money from you.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
He's basically saying Donald Trump has made the state he
had an offer it can't refuse.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I mean, that's where as red state as you could be.
We've always been very good to Donald Trump. Heck, your
last vice president came from our state. And unless we
further rig our election maps, you're going to hold money away.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Actually it's not necessarily money. It could be a number
of different things. For example, there's no the tolling that
the state of Indiana wants to do, or Bro's been
talking about doing on I sixty five that could get
held up. Well, it's related to money. Yeah, Medicaid waivers
you know, that could get held up.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
It always comes back to money.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah, And if it'sposly, all need to make a line
to say it's not about money.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
It's about money. Yeah. I think it's going to be
tolling of seventy not sixty five. At least that's what
I've heard. And it does come back to money. It's
everything about money. And that's a shame that that that
that that sort of situation is held over the head
of the legislature and the governor. They the federal government
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always holds sway over states, but no more so than
right now.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
But I mean, you got a man up or woman up.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
If you're in the person up and just say okay,
then do it like I'm not doing what's wrong because
some guy's threatening me, like we can't run a society
like that. And I cannot believe. Well I can because
it's Braun, but I cannot believe he actually admitted that
out loud.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
And also the other thing too, is the other sort
of damnicle is that the Trump folks and Braun have
over the over lawmakers heads. Is the whole issue of
real healthcare because go out to yal hospitals that are
hurting right now, and like if you're in Seymour or
Jasper and you've got to drive like, you know, thirty
a half hour to Indianapolis to get your health care
take care of No, that's another one of those sort
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of stick approaches. The problem is with what the broad
people are trying to do via the Trump people is
be two cued by half. And yet the more you ask,
the more you push, the more you push, these guys
eventually are going to say, Okay, no, that's it. We're done,
and we're going to show you how powerful the legislature
actually is.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Well, and you they can't point to a single poll
that I've seen, because you know, if they had one,
they throw it out there that shays, oh the public
is so.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Behind this, Oh well look at that a second.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I wanted to spend some time on this, though, Jim,
because Braun is not the guy for this conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
He doesn't have.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
He doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to drive policy across
the finish line and that's what you need right now.
And him, I mean, he's just the worst guy imaginable
to try to sell this to people.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Well, I worry about his relationships with legislators. If you
recall correctly, back in January February, there were ads that
were placed against senators for a day, for a day,
but the essence of that type of strategy was employed
(07:52):
against my former brethren. And I'd never seen a governor
do that. I'm sure Donald Trump had considered that with Congress,
and maybe it used that that approach, but uh, this
is this is a detail. This is a uh, this
is a governor legislator type of conversation where you have
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legislators into the governor's office to talk to them about, uh,
this situation. And and I'm not sure the relationships are there.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Oh, the relationships are definitely not there. It reminds me
of where the Democrats have the walkout over right to
work and Mitch Daniels ran radio ads Pat Bower, won't
you please come home? To the old Bill Bailey want
you please come home? That I'll never forget.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Now.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
He didn't attack them. He just said, hey, come here,
come back, come back to Indiana, and let's get your
work done. He didn't literally like you know, Representative Chet
Dobis or Representative Terry Gooden, They're horrible, evil people. They
should be excommunicated. But there was there was none of that, Mitch.
And that's why Mitch. I missed Mitch Daniels every single day.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
The thing is no, wait wait wait wait wait, he wasn't. Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I mean he did a lot of goofy stuff too.
I mean see that little stadium down the street from
us that the taxpayers are on the hook for basically
a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Governor daniels relationships with legislators was darn good. Well, that's fine,
and that's what we're talking about it.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I'm just speaking what you're saying, that he was good
at getting things done. I'm saying sometimes with Mitch, and
he's a friend of our show and he's been on
the show numerous times, but sometimes with Mitch, we act
like the infallible mister Daniels.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
And it's like, oh that didn't turn out so well.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Well, well we always you always, we always romanticized about
the past. Technically, the way things are going Indiana, I
missed the days of ref roll.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Well, early on the Governor Daniels. Then Governor Daniels had
trouble getting his his his traction. However, his relationships with legislators,
including myself. We were spot on if if you had
a if you had a beef, or he had an idea, uh,
he'd have you in, or a chief of staff or
or one of his staffer would have you in to
(10:01):
talk it out and flesh it out a lot like
Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You ever got my mad? You ever been mad?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I tend to work around mad.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, you're like the ned Flanders of this show. I
just wondered, like, have you ever yelled at a colleague?
Like did you ever pound a table?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Or?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
There were some legislators that I'd have my office that
we called the woodshed, but I would make it very
clear on my position on the matter without raising my voice.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Like Mike delf and the caucus thing.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Are you the one who kicked help out of the caucus?
It was a caucaus decision. You gotta go.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Abdul knows the story.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That'd be a great one for your book. Rob Kendall,
Jim Merritt, Bill keep Jabos. The Program of State ho
was happenings your weekly look at what's going on with
Indiana politics and government. Talking about redistricting and the governor
apparently saying they're going or basically about to go or
likely to go, I guess to special session in November. Now,
this also tells me that the maps are already rigged.
(11:04):
They already know what they're gonna do, and they already
know who they want to run, because if you approve
this in November, that gives you two months to decide
if you're running for Congress, and other than the uber
connected or the uber rich, there ain't no way you're
fundraising enough or putting a staff together to run for Congress.
So they are already they've got to be alerting people
to what these maps might look like, who who they
(11:26):
might deem desirable to run jenniferuth Green.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
You see.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
But here's the thing though, But what they dont understand
about the maps though, is let's say lawmakers pass the
maps in November, November three, November fourth, the lawsuits are
filed immediately for voting rights stuff, for equal protection laws,
the whole nine yards. And this is basically on that
one map that basically has Mary kunt Of divide into
three Yeah. Sections, that's the map where that's the fake
(11:50):
map we're working with, right, that's right, right now you
do that, lawsuits are filed an injunction is issued in
a month, you've got filing deadlines, right, people need to
know what districts they're going to be.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
In primary coming up. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Well, and here's what's interesting too about this is I
think the state is Louisiana. There is a lawsuit that
is in front of the Supreme Court dealing with the
Voting Rights Act, and whatever gets decided with that is
gonna be the rules of the game going forward. And
part of me says, and I was having this conversation
with somebody yesterday, the Supreme Court, I don't think likes
(12:25):
to be cornered on making a choice, right. They kind
of like to work at their own pace, and they're
more have to come around to your side, or if
they're leaning your side, if you let them work at
their own pace, they're really until that lawsuit gets decided.
If you actually wanted to be able to have more freedom,
shall we say in how you draw these maps, the
best thing to do would be to let that thing
(12:46):
play out. But now they're going to basically force these
guys into a decision, and I don't think that's gonna
go well for a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
See, here's thing about Spreme Court we'll decided when we
damn will feel like it.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
But now they're gonna have all these lawsuits in front
of them, are gonna be like and you know what
we're we'll.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Decide what dand with it or better yet, we'll see
in June. We'll see in June. Have a nice day.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, you know, to be relying on on another state
to settle what could be one additional member member of
Congress for the Republican Party, because as far as I know,
things have really died down about this piecemeal uh getting
rid of Congressman Carson's district and and it's more palatable
(13:31):
to the legislator legislature here to divide up and consolidate
what is now Congressman Frank Mr. Van Seat.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well, okay, so let's pause with that.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That see, this is why this is so stupid, because
Andrew Ireland was on our show state representative in Indianapolis
and he and I think he said this in other
forums too, and this is very weird to me that
he's supportive of the session but not the maps until
he sees the maps. And he basically made us unlike,
unless you draw a car person out, he ain't voting
for it, So are there gonna be people that are
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gonna be that way?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Like this isn't intense enough.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So I just kind of wonder if these individuals, including
Representative Ireland, are actually talking to their constituents.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, because who is supporting this?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Who are the people? Nobody?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
The only people who support this are Josh Kelly and
a couple other folks and the governor chief of staff,
govern chief of staff and a few of the folks
in the Governor's office and the hardcore partisan you know,
the Todd Raketas Diego Morales is of this world, which,
by the way, if I do something in Tyrake and
Diaga Morales, it's a good idea. That's my first cool Like, no,
we probably shouldn't do this.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Well, don't forget the third of me go there in
the group, the lieutenant governor, he's all on board with
this too. So you mentioned Josh Kelly, Abdul, the governor's
chief of staff. At what point does the governor have
to look around and go nothing's going well? Like nothing,
property taxes, disaster, the utility bill stuff, disaster, the tolling
(15:02):
does that?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Like?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Does that? It's one had raised taxes to balance the budget.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
And take a step further look at personnel. Jose Evans,
Jennifer Ruth. Now, Jose just tell it right real quick.
Whose hose Evans was the former head of civil Rights
commits right, Jennifer Ruth Green public Safety gone? Uh, Mike
Spuh who's ahead of business services, had his had his
personnel late issues. I want to say, they're going to
like four major cabinet posts in like nine months. Yeah,
(15:28):
So at some point, now I know he's got it
some time to have a baby, he's.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Got enough affinity or he's got an immense affinity for
for Josh Kelly and and a lot of people he's
connected to. But at some point, don't you have to
say this just doesn't seem to beat the job for you.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Well, you know, with with the governor or any chief
executive officer for a company or for the president United States,
you are your people and and and your staffing is
so very important. And and I'm certain that the governer
is always looking at what what the situation is in
(16:05):
inside the governor's office and and if it isn't, then
there's a real problem there.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Okay, So I'm gonna give you guys three options and
you can choose which one you think it'll be all
right ready all the above. Option Option one is no
special session. Option two is special session and it fails.
The maps fail. Option three is special session in the
MAPS pass. Which one would you choose if you had
to pick right now.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I would say special session but no MAPS period.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I say a special session and maps. I think it
will all flow. The pressure is so hard, harsh and
hard on on the governor, on the legislature that that
this will happen. It will not be two seats. The
focus will be on Northwest Indiana and UH and and
(16:55):
and it'll get done it. Uh, the legislator legislature really
visited Washington, they got the I'm sure they got pressed
upon the Vice President coming here. I think it happens.
They'll have to spend money to do it. It probably
will hover around Organization Day, which is two weeks after
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the first Tuesday in the month of November. And they'll
have to do it quick because schedules. We tried to
at one time, the legislature Senate tried to have hearings
in December and it was just got awful trying to
get a schedule going. So they'll have to do it
sometime in November prior to organization Day.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Okay, I think I'm with merit, although I'm going to
be fascinated to see if they don't draw Carsons District up.
How many people say, ain't going for that?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
You see?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Because here's the thing though, but I don't think my
friends on the second floor fully appreciate that. Being the
governor's office, if you decide to carve up the seventh
Congression District, you will unleash, holy hell, picture every apocalyptic
film that you've ever seen in your entire life. This
is the omen one, two three and pie. Because the
(18:10):
African American voters, those little ladies who mind their own business,
who don't necessarily come out and vote because I think
it's no big deal, will get mad. They'll be ticked
off and they will come out. And not only will
if who's at risk there? Actually I would argue the state,
the whole state wise, the whole state, the whole states
at risk because you're Dan Elliots, You're at LISTA Shallis,
Jacom Wallis's, you know, all all those guys. If if
(18:31):
the afric Americans come out and vote, because if we always.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Talk about the Marion County, the Central Indiana bubble. Uh,
nobody knew what was going down. Uh in Clark County
with Jamie Knowle. Uh. No one in northwest Indiana is
going to know or believe what Jennifer Ruth Green did.
And so how does it get outside of the twenty
counties that listen to us?
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Easy because African Americans will come out and vote and drove.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Because they are outside the bubble.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And as are you implying, Jim like that some news
there are black people outside of outside.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Of the toy I think I just love that you
put that up.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
There are there are African American voters outside of the
twenty county sierras.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I'm asking the question we.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
See the thing is see but just the thing though,
you don't necessarily need those African Americans who live out,
say you know, in Richmond or or Danville, there are
enough African American voters they actually were to come out
in droves in Marion County. That and switches the apple
cart because at the end of the day, and is
what really like a fifty two, fifty three forty seven
the state when it's all said and done, to throw
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the African Americans out there you got the white progressives
who are mad and ticked off, and then you've got
that litt old lady who lives in Danville like this
is bs, this is ridiculous, This is not what I
signed up for.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
You.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
You'll piss off enough of everybody that you can literally
it can be twenty ten all over again, except for
Democrats instead of Republicans.
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the program of State House Happenings, your weekly look at
what's going on with Indiana politics and government. All right, Merrit,
your friends stepped in it. Now you are friends with
this woman, right.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Susie Ja. Yes, and when she served as a candidate
to run for the legislature, I was the chairman of
her campaign.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yes, okay, so she is what the energy and Natural
Resources secretary for Braun Yes, and people are now you're right,
she's a failed state house candidate. And then she did
something for Trump capes it's sick, I know, but losing
(22:07):
is still losing. And then she was worked for Trump, right,
some sort of energy something for Trump. She was at
was at the Indiana Fiscal Policy Institute, and you have
this story at Indie Politics Abdual Capital Chronicle as the
story up, and she blasted these local governments who are
(22:29):
crafting policy that are essentially shutting down wind and solar
and various other energy projects.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Well close it was based.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
That didn't work out well.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Yeah, The conversation was around data centers because the policy
summit this time around was about energy in Indiana's energy needs,
water resources, the whole nine yards, and so the conversation
came about data center because at the end of the day,
that was the anentered pound grill in the room everybody
was talking about. And so some local governments of like
he was talking about Hello, governments would know they court
the data center like Google, and then as they get
(23:05):
closer and closer, they would change the thing, and then
the data center couldn't pop up.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Time time out on a second of that. This is
the problem with the IEDC. We don't get any information
for her to act like these local communities.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Are like your data center. I don't think that's exactly
how this course works.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
It was.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Here's the thing though, So went have to say that
if you're a developer and those local governments they do
all this, then at the last minute they pulled the
rug forneath, you should sue these local governments.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
So and everybody's job it was. It was a lining
blazing saddles. Look ark, I said, the sheriff is then
the sheriff shows up, excuse me, while the whipness upus
like jaws dropped the floor.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Literally that was the root.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Okay, so is a quote that's disgraceful personally, I think
that those companies should start suing those communities and get
serious about it. So what she's mad about is that
in any economic development proposal, there's a back and forth
amongst the staff for lack of a better term. And
then it starts the process of working through local economic
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development commissions, the planning commission, and then the ultimate decider
is either the town or city council or the you know,
the county commissioners. And that's how the process works. And
who listens to the citizens the most, the elected people.
She's mad that appears to be mad that the local
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elected officials are listening to the local people in their community.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I disagree with my friend Secretary Jabowski on this. One.
Way back in the nineties, when utilities were struggling to
offer power when August came and it was really hot,
or winter came in, it was really cold, and some
of the utilities, some of the entities came into Indianapolis
(24:53):
and Indiana it had peaker stations, peaking stations, And what
I mean by that is they came in and they
wanted offer power so that when a utility couldn't come
with it, when when the extreme measures came uh that
that they would add on to it, add on to
the top of it. Well, some of those peak are
peaking stations. Some of those companies failed early on because
(25:15):
they didn't come into the community and talk with the mayor,
talk with city council, talk with the chamber, talk with
the people that really the build relationships. And I think
I think that's I don't know enough about this Franklin
Township to really understand exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
There's a Google Data SI.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Google survived in Tennessee because they went into the Tennessee
Valley Authority. They went in and talked with the Governor's office,
they went in talk with the locals, and and they
now have a situation where Google is bringing power to
the state and but it's not to the risk or
to the to the the rate payer. Google is created
(26:00):
the power and they've had a kind of a they've
deregulated the situation, and that's what should happen here. They
shouldn't come in and over overwhelm the locals, which it
looks like they did in Franklin Township.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
She went on to say, these local moratoriums are setting
our energy policy, and not only that, it's creating a
reputation or industry doesn't want to come. That's so offensive
because first of all, we don't exist for industry, but
second of all, clearly they do want to come, because
there's like forty of these things that are proposed over the.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
You know next, Well, they've got to do it differently
in other places.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
How many news relations that we got from the governor's office,
and it has the best place to start a base,
and he had the best place to raise a family,
and then that has the best place to do this great,
great quality of life. So if nobody wants to come here,
then okay, which one isn't? Are we are a great
place to do business? Are we a horrible place?
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Well, it's time to start over with Google and everything
else and not come in here and just kind of
expect the locals to rule there.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, but we're not talking about that, but talking about
your friend here. Your friend needs some sort of class
on how to talk to people. Because that was so
offensive what she said. Got thirty seconds left here of
the show. I'll give you the final word, Jim. That
is so offensive the way she worded that, And I
hope she woke up today realizing how many people are
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livid at her.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Well, I haven't had a conversation with the secretary, probably
on purpose. There has to be a change and strategy
if you're going to have data centers. I truly believe
that Crane Naval Base ought to be the first place
for a small module reactor because it's federal land and
we need to start over.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
What a show. It always goes by so fast.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yes, Rob Kendall, Bill gives you boys, Jim Merritt, thank you,
Thank you.
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State House Happening. It's your weekly look at what's going
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Speaker 3 (29:11):
Don't forget.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
You can find him Duel on Twitter at at t
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sure to book mark his very fabulous website, indiepolitics dot
org Indiepolitics dot org. Jim Merritt, He's on Twitter at
Jim Underscore Merit at Jim Underscore Merit and you can
catch him with Merit in the morning, the podcast that
you can find on YouTube as well as Facebook. Meam
on Twitter at Robin Kendall at Robim Kendall and you
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can hear me weekdays, nine until noon the Kendall and
Casey Show on ninety three point one WIBC. That is
going to do it for us this week for of
Duel Keeps Shabaz. For Jim Merritt, I'm Rob Kendall. You've
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