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July 10, 2025 66 mins

We’re one step closer to crowning the 2025 Wimbledon champions. Will Alcaraz lift his third consecutive trophy, or will Novak match Federer’s record of eight Wimbledon titles? Can Belinda Bencic or Amanda Anisimova stop Iga Swiatek and Aryna Sabalenka in the semifinals? Aussie star Daria Saville and 2005 Wimbledon Men’s Doubles Champion Stephen Huss join Brie and Xave to pick their contenders for the major and break down the biggest stories to come out of the Championships. The panel also reacts to Goran Ivanisevic’s comments about Stefanos Tsitsipas, Mirra Andreeva’s fan girl moment, and get Dasha’s insight into the mental health crisis emerging from the tours. Plus, our on-court fashion police rate some of the looks from the All England Club and see how the teams are faring in the Wimbledon Fantasy Draft.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, and welcome to the tennis Road to the Final,
come Back Queens and Grand Slam Giants, Greek grilled Goren's
frank assessment of Sisipas standards and slay on a.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Our expert panel give their verdicts on this year's Wimbledon fashion.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
That's all ahead with me, brief Stewett.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Next to me, Buller, It's good to be here.

Speaker 5 (00:25):
Don't always dress like this, but I've got my Buller
shirt on, fresh back from the beaches of Fiji. He
so most of the time you just spend walking around,
Thank you, yes, yea and great time.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
So yeah, sneak peak that's my as of the week,
but we'll get to that at the end.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Wait.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
But across the desk from us, welcome back to our
greatest friend Dasher.

Speaker 6 (00:53):
Thri Hi for having me back.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
But you do want to be here, right, Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:00):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I okay, very happy to be back, and we're very
happy to have the better Savile. We won't tell you,
but alongside her making your pod debut, we have Stephen
Hauss And for us it's even more lucky because it's
your twentieth anniversary of your Wimbledon doubles title.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, correct, thanks for having me that happened. Yeah, no,
I wasn't young when we wanted either. So who is
your partner? Wesley Moody, South African guy?

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Oh amazing. Where's the trophy now?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's wrapped in We've just moved recently, so it's wrapped
and hidden somewhere away. I don't know where it.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Is on the mantelpiece at a at a mover's house.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Possibly.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
That's great because that was a big feat right when
that happened, because you weren't expecting it.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Definitely wasn't expecting it. No, I mean just going into
every match trying to get a win. And we started
in qualifying as well.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Can you beat the Todd wood Bridge, didn't you?

Speaker 7 (01:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:56):
We do.

Speaker 7 (01:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Unfortunately I stopped Todd from winning his tenth. He was
knowing for his tenth, but I thought maybe I can
have one. You know, I'm going to have nine. So yeah, yeah,
it's amazing. It's been twenty years.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Ye, amazing.

Speaker 7 (02:09):
I realized it was like through qualifying. When did they
stop qualifying?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
There's only a few years ago. Yeah, so a few
people had to crack it trying to trying to break
that or equal that but it hadn't. It's never going
to happen again now because there's no qualities anywhere. Yeah,
I actually played US Open doubles qualities that last year
they had it, but yeah, they're all all gotten rid
of now, they're slowly getting rid of the doubles players.
There's a lot hanging around though forties they're still playing. Okay,

(02:37):
that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (02:39):
It's really awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
So took us through your journey from retiring in twenty
eleven to now joining US at Tennis Australia in twenty
twenty five because you're now the national Development head coach.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
That's right, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah here in Melbourne, that's right. There's a head coach
in all the different states. So yeah, we've recently moved
back and I've taken that role in Melbourne. So I've
lived away from Australia and Melbourne for a long long time.
Actually spent more time overseas than I have in Australia.
But you know, I've come back and it still feels
like home. I'm really familiar with Melbourne. I still know
the streets without you know, needing navigation or the old malways,

(03:17):
but no I guess since I retired, I kind of
a few different steps, but you know, people don't want
to hear too much detail. But basically I worked with
some pro women on the double side, which I really
enjoyed and liked. And then I went into college coaching
and coached on the men's side at Virginia Tech. So
I was in there for about four years, and then USTA,

(03:37):
the US Federation approached me to be to work with them.
I was on the women's side as a national coach there,
working with transition athletes and into the pros, which was great.
And then at COVID, they realized I didn't know what
I was talking about, fired me, and I moved to
Atlanta and I started working with some juniors boys and girls,

(03:57):
you know, some more aspirational juniors there, which is a
great time. And then recently, Yeah Tennis Australia game calling,
asking and I went to my wife pleading and begging,
and here we are, Yeah, excited to be back.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
And how's your wife enjoying the weather?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (04:12):
What an ideal.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
It was not ideal to move them here in June.
It's a couple hours, but all good so far, and
the kids are a bit.

Speaker 7 (04:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I have two children, fourteen and twelve, and they're a
bit nervous to start school. But they're going to be
You're going to be popular.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Feel like Australian school so they're really.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Late that yeah, of course, yeah, they're born and raised there,
so yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 6 (04:38):
They'll have fun. Good people.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I know that that's annoying, but you are.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Well.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
We are very lucky to have you back under the
TA batter. Appreciate that and hopefully we can see more
of you here in pod Labor.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Ye know, that's what.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
I didn't know that anyway, we will throw quickly.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
We're going to hear from Duncan and Todd, who filling
us in with all the latest news from Wimbledon.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Todd, that nine time doubles champion at Wimbledon.

Speaker 9 (05:09):
We're on site of Winwood for Week two of the Championships,
where I'm joint once again by Todd Woodbridge.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Todd, you've just hopped off the court.

Speaker 9 (05:16):
How'd you make your friends?

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well?

Speaker 8 (05:18):
Actually, not bad, better than I expected. At a great match.
We survived match point against Mansueur Barami. I'm playing with
Aleisha Mollick. I'm not so sure how'm gonna pull up
in the next one though, I'm already feeling stiff and sore,
but you know, it's so good to get out on
the court here. It's fantastic.

Speaker 9 (05:34):
Tell us what's been your highlight of Wimbledon twenty twenty five, Todd.

Speaker 8 (05:37):
Well, I mean, there's plenty, but I'm going to go
with an unusual one, I think, in that I'm going
to see Jordan Thompson's performance to make around to sixteen,
the fact that he was fifty to fifty if he
was even going to walk on the court. I don't
think people realized how close he was to withdrawing and
the issue that he's got with his back. But to
come through from two sets love down the first round,
fight through from two sets to one down in the second,

(05:59):
get through the third, and then of course the body broke.
But jeez, that's a scrapping effort and that's his best
result here and he needs now time to rest and
get some big rehab done, and that result gives him
a bit of leeway in terms of ranking. So good
on him.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
I'm very happy for him. Let's prove you.

Speaker 9 (06:16):
The two women's singles semi finals, starting off with top
seed Arena Sablenka. She comes up against Amanda Anisimova, and
I'll tell you what. Saballenka won their match at Rolling Garos,
but Anisimov leaves the heads head five three, and she's
looking very good.

Speaker 8 (06:27):
Yeah. Well, I think given what we've seen at the
tournament so far in terms of form, Anisimova can can
certainly get the job done.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
The one thing that might be.

Speaker 8 (06:35):
In Sabolenka's favor though, is the fact that in the
match against Sigmund Well, she should demolish her. That's true,
let's be honest. But the thing is she didn't, and
she had to grind and find a way. Now, she's
had troublesome matches in semis and finals at these tournaments
when the pressure's got to her. That might relieve a
lot of pressure. I think that gives her an opportunity

(06:55):
to play freely going into a semi and potentially a final.
I think it's going to be an intriguing match. But
I just give a little point to Anisimova. I think
that might be enough.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (07:07):
The second semi final is Blinda Benchicch coming up against
Eager Tea's looking great on grass, but Benchitch. She's almost
a fairy tale story of this.

Speaker 8 (07:13):
Yeah, I mean, well two fairy tales in a way,
because Yontek never has reached a semi final here and
hasn't played well on grass. She's looking far more comfortable
than she ever has. But for Benchic, she's playing better
than she ever has as well after coming back after
having a child, and she just seems more mature as
you would be. And I thought her match against Andreva

(07:35):
showcase that she can get the ball quickly into corners
and on grass against yon Tech, that's what you'll need
to do, particularly into the back end. So I'm actually
going to go for an upset and put benchicch through there.
We'll see, but I really think that this might be
her time.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
She's due.

Speaker 8 (07:50):
By the way, it's Olympic champion, and I think should
have been deeper in these tournaments before.

Speaker 9 (07:55):
Let's preview the first men's single semi finals. Carlos Alcaraz
coming up against Tyler Fritz our Kara is looking better
and better. But you've seen a bit of Taylor this tournament.

Speaker 8 (08:03):
I have done three of his matches and the fact
that he's still in the tournament is extraordinary and I'm
rated as one of the best mental efforts so far
in the tournament to get through the first round, worst
draw possible, Peshiperica massive serve records are being broken at
one fifty three miles per hour, and he got it
back and wins the point. But getting through that showed
me that he's in a state of mind that he

(08:25):
can go, you know, to where he's got to. Can
he beat Carlos Though Carlos's last match was almost flawless,
he just took it up a notch. He has this
ability to be playing okay and then just you know,
ramp at two gears, not one. So I think that'll
be a great match, But I'm not sure that Taylor
has enough in his game to be able to tackle

(08:47):
what ol Karaz has brought so far in the tournament.

Speaker 9 (08:49):
Fantastic, Tom, thanks you much for joining us, and we'll
se you out on court soon.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Oh don't miss that. So he touched on one of
the semis.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
But of course the other one that everyone's very excited
about is Sinner and Djokovic, obviously the current world number
one and the goat himself, Novak Djokovic.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
It is going to be quite a barn Burner, what
do we all think?

Speaker 5 (09:10):
Obviously, Jokovic, this is his fourteenth Wimbledon semi, he's surpassed
Federer and chasing Federer's eighth Wimbledon title. Novak's currently sitting
on seven, and Novak's had his one hundredth Wimbledon.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Match win, which.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
Is just you know, again, we're in rare air here
at the moment, talk us through that semi.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Well, Sena is injured, but then I didn't think he
was going to be able to play, and then he
obviously bid Fritz. I think from just reading he was
waiting on his Amarai results, and then next morning I
woke up and he has bitten. Sorry, shelter, shelter, and

(09:55):
then yeah, I guess he's got the team around him.
We'll be able to get him ready and he might
not be one hundred percent, but he'll be competing one
hundred percent.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
So yeah, I mean I can't.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
I actually don't know who's gonna win win this one.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I am gonna. I'm in the chair where I'm going
to stop doubting sinner. I would think a bit of
a mental hurdle is being two sets of love down,
thinking you're going out all of a sudden, the guy
you're playing gets injured. Dimetrov, who we may touch on later,
but he goes through and he almost doesn't feel like
he should go through, but then he comes in and
demolishes shelter next round, you know, pretty comfortably. I don't

(10:37):
know anything about his injury, but to me, if he's healthy,
I think he beats Djokovic. He's gone past Djokovic from
a power perspective, and he's also a better mover than
Djokovic now, which you couldn't say about anyone in the
world when Jokovic was at his prime. So unless that
injury in hibbit Sinner, I think Sinner's going through here.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
I just feel though, with Djokovic's experience on grass, like
he's just length of experience and his ability to harness
the slice, to fight his corners and actually be able
to deliver what he needs to do on there, I
agree Sinner should be up there with He will be
one day considered the greatest of all time or one

(11:14):
of if he keeps going on this track.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Big stretch there.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
But I just you cannot here watching it just roll.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
You just cannot discount nova.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
You can, yeah, you can't he's playing well.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Great, So there we go. You've got seen it here. First.
I think Novak will win everything.

Speaker 6 (11:31):
And the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Well, I didn't say that third in the can. Don't
you worry? A third to row for our mate from Spain.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
It's hard to pick. I don't know Djokovic, you know
is playing well.

Speaker 7 (11:41):
Which final would you rather? Siner Acras? I mean still
has to pitch?

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, sorry, Fritz.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Do we think Fritz will be Nope.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I think he has to serve probably at seventy seventy
five percent to win that. I think it's possible. I
respect Fritz massively. He's got a huge amount of power.
He's become a much better competitor. The knock on him
when he was younger was that he perhaps wasn't an
elite mover. And I wouldn't say he's still an elite mover.
But if he serves well enough, he's going to get
some looks at Alcarez a serve so I think he's

(12:15):
I think he's dangerous. I think everyone's got Alcaaz going through.
But perhaps I've got a little bit more respect for
Fritz than.

Speaker 7 (12:22):
Some others, and I think he has like more self
belief now.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Yeah, oh that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
In his presser he said that, yeah, he's feeling more
confident in himself at the moment, which is good. We
then also have both women's semis on tonight, which is
Thursday night Australia Time Channel nine all stand Sport for
our Aussie listeners.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Free plug there.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, hopefully I'm getting bit of a kickback. We'll have
our first time Wimbledon chant regardless of who wins from here,
and we have two of the best comeback stories of
the past year with ben chicch who recently had a
baby in April last year, and Anison Over who took
some time off for some mental health. So they're up
against two of the giants. We've got Giga and Sablenka.

(13:09):
So big matches tonight and big well, I think for
Adasamova and for Benchic, pretty big matches.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yes, my absolute hat.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
And she's going to turn out she played last night.
She's gonna play against.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
I reckon.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
I really would like for Benchic or Amanda to give
him the whole thing. I think Benchic has had such
a great career and she loves the grass, and I
think she's in a really good headspace. I actually practiced
with Amanda a few times during the season, and I

(13:53):
was just saying that I feel like she's enjoying the
tennis and she's enjoying her new team, and yeah, I
would really like them to meet in the final.

Speaker 6 (14:04):
That'd be cool.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I've got a little bit of a soft spot for Amanda.
I saw her when I was working at the USTA
from very young, since she was about fourteen, so sort
of saw her come up. She was around quite a bit. Obviously,
she's had fair bit of struggles coming through being a pro,
but I think it's quite normal for all professional players
to go through ups and downs. You know, she lost
her dad when she was trying to break through and

(14:27):
be a real professional, which must be incredibly difficult. So
I'm hoping that, you know, she can go into that
match with Sabolenka. I know in the pasteled that she's
felt a little bit outgunned. Normally she's outgunning her opponent,
but when she plays Sabalenka, there's a lot of power
coming at her, and I don't think she was accustomed
to that. But maybe, you know, a little bit older,

(14:47):
a little bit more mature, perhaps her team can help
her tech tactically handle that a little bit better, and
I think she has every chance to get an upset.
But I think what Dash touched on before about Fritz,
you know, does she believe that she's ready to beat
saber Linka or is she still a little bit of
that or I've made it to the semis. I'm pretty happy,
and you know, Arena is a bit too tough for me.

(15:09):
And then on the other side, I think I'd love
to see Benhitch go through. This is her best chance
to be eager on the grass. Yeah, with her game
style and the way she plays, So yeah, I'm hoping
for a couple of upsets for a really interesting Wimbledon final.
But I mean Arena has been so consistent and so
dominant at the top, so obviously she would earn it

(15:31):
if she goes through.

Speaker 8 (15:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Well, I shall be watching as much as I can
before I fall asleep tonight.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
On Channel nine apparently come on what time start?

Speaker 1 (15:41):
I believe ten thirty pm.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
I'm still on.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I go to bed and stream on my like iPhone
and wake up and it's like some other matches.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
On replay from the Four Men single.

Speaker 6 (15:57):
Anyway over to you.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Yeah, well, It's been a couple of weeks since I've
been here, but the Fantasy draft my favorite thing, and
I know fans absolutely bloody love it. We'll do a
quick whizz through of the team. So Team Levi a
couple of outs there, but we've still got Alcaaz and Sable, Anka,
Tim Bree.

Speaker 6 (16:14):
He lost, he lost, and Public Yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
Then your self, Bree, you have you had your four
choices and you've lost Paulini, Draper and Andreva, but Sinner
still there.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
Thought I was going to get there with Andreva.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yeah, I mean Levi had some real ruffies.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Well, we had one real Ruffi in Public, but then
Team Dan also down to one old mate Novak Djokovic,
with Coco, Rebecca and Lechka all out. So put it
to you, two across the table from me, which team
are you backing? Team Dan, Team Levi or Team Brie
with who's left there?

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Oh, team Levo by a mile here, yeah, absolutely good.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Good.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Do you lose any points if your player goes out
first round? Because there's a couple of first round.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Yeah, there's quite a few.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
So there we had a couple of Coco and Public
both went out first, and then a couple of SI
with Pallini and the he both went out.

Speaker 6 (17:08):
Loose first round, second round. She's sweet. She's stopped with
the coach as well.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Did you.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Maybe should have hung around and then after before?

Speaker 6 (17:21):
Yeah? And they just one wrong.

Speaker 7 (17:23):
I mean you never stopped with the coach like mid
tournament late because of one bad result or after a success.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
But so there must have been something.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I don't know it's that.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Could have just been a straw that broke the camel's back.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
So next week we'll have a new segment tea.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
With Yeah, can I do this thing? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (17:48):
All right, Well let us know whose team you're backing.
If it's not Team Levi, you're wrong. Yeah, always fun
to check in there. We'll see what happens after the weekend.
Bree back to you.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, we're going to go into what's caught your eye
for me, it has to be benchic, which we've obviously
just touched on. She defeated Andreva yesterday at Wimbledon seven six,
seven six.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
She was playing great.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
I watched quite a bit of it until I fell
asleep in bed with my phone again. And she will
play eager tonight that we just touched on. She gave
birth in April last year, we saw her come back
at United Cup.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
Last year she played with her come back.

Speaker 7 (18:32):
I was coming back from my injury and she was
playing this seventy five I think it was a seventy
five in Luxembourg.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
Yeah, it was her first storing my back.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
Oh wow.

Speaker 6 (18:47):
Yeah, So tell me what do you think about benchicch.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I feel like you've got we're pretty good her, we're
pretty good.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Friends, so you can go hard then, yeah, La, I.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
Mean I really want her to do well, as I said, Yeah,
and I don't know how much you can talk about.
We had like a like a very honest to chat
in the locker room and yeah, we started like talking
about kind of where she's at with like tennis, like

(19:16):
and and she said that after giving birth she had
this like crazy motivation, like almost like a new yeah,
like a new draaning and new drive. And she's like yeah,
but then it wore off. And yeah, I'm not sure

(19:37):
why she she was must have been injured. She skipped.

Speaker 6 (19:44):
Rowan Garros.

Speaker 7 (19:45):
But yeah, that chat we had was in Rome and
she didn't have Bella there because apparently Rome is a
nightmare with kids.

Speaker 6 (19:55):
It's not a customed.

Speaker 7 (19:57):
Like yeah, Yeah, for some reason, none of the moms
had their kid there. I'm like, that's weird, weir And yeah,
she was like missing Bella.

Speaker 6 (20:12):
I think Belle is there's.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Head to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, well we might throw to a quick clip of
Benchic on her on court interview from yesterday.

Speaker 10 (20:23):
I'm very proud. Actually, I all my career. I didn't
say it a lot to myself, but you know, after
having Bella, I really say it to myself every day,
and I think that changes a lot. But of course
I have to say it's not only me. I wouldn't
be able to do it without my amazing family and
also my amazing team. We work so hard on the comeback.

Speaker 6 (20:44):
So at the beginning of.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
The year, she was ranked four hundred and eighty nine.
She's currently ranked thirty five. She will jump into the
top twenty after Wimburen and if she meet like if
she makes it to the final, she'll potentially hit the.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Top ten back in the ten. Wow, that's how resurgence.
That's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
That's pretty so that she caught my eye obviously because
I feel like she's a nice person.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
Is she really not?

Speaker 8 (21:08):
She is?

Speaker 1 (21:09):
I feel she's really nice.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
No, I hate her, No, I love her.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Yeah, that's good, but it must be.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
I mean, you know, I'm not a mum obviously, but
you know it's been forty five years since since her
mum one.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Wimbledon And that was even on Gooler going.

Speaker 7 (21:24):
Back in the day. Yeah, And I found the stat
today on Twitter that what was Ita no the town
of Marie in twenty twenty two played Samis after one
year having a baby. Then Videlina did it last year

(21:45):
or the year before, and then now she'd ben chic.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
That's amazing. It's you're going to do.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
It next week, Well you better hurry up because if
you want to do a year later, because you've got.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
To cook the brain before you can take it out. Yeah,
what do you think about benchicch.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
I think it's a fantastic story. I actually remember seeing
her many years ago at the end of the year
at indoor tournaments. I think I was there with Caroline
dollar Hyde and in the hotel gym at like six
point thirty in the morning, I would get up and
believe it or not, I've been to the gym a
few times and I was in there and she was

(22:24):
just coming back and she was in there by herself
doing cardio before the day even started, and I remember thinking,
I don't know her at all. I've never spoken to her,
but you know, that's just respect straight away. And at
that time, she was around two hundred in the world.
I think it was a one twenty five. I was
there with the player I was working with, and I
just remember thinking, all right, there's someone who's serious about
getting back and getting better. So absolutely it's pretty easy

(22:47):
to pull for her from a distance.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Loh, well, we might stay on.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
You from the good of ben Chicch to Crrent.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, you had caught your eye with sister Pass and
his coaching situations.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, you know, I have a cousin who played a
lot of tennis with Gore and Ivanizovitch and knows him
pretty well. And he said, listen, great guy, but absolutely
crazy guy, just sort of no filter with what he's saying.
And I think this is what you're seeing here, and
it's interesting. I mean, not only did he was he
kind of disparaging about sissippas his tennis. You know, he

(23:20):
talked about him physically not being good enough, he talked
about him technically not being good enough, and then he
went on to also attack the mental saying, you know,
that's the biggest part. And all these tennis players are
on antidepressants. So he really went over the top with
all of these comments.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
Broad brush comments.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, yeah, unbelievable, But you know, and I thought I
had as a coach and someone who's you know, really
interested in investing and trying to get players to maximize
their potential. Is these are the sort of chats that
you want to have with players, and you're trying to
actually get through to him. Where can you improve what
you know, what needs addressing. Let's not ignore areas that

(23:56):
can get better.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
But maybe not through the media.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Have it won or exactly? You know, like why would
you come out and say that, you know, in the
media and make it you know, because he's getting a
lot of attention around that, So I'm thinking does he
want attention?

Speaker 8 (24:10):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Okay, So as a coach, I think you need to
address things, but you do it behind closed doors. You
do it with the team, you do it with the player,
and you try to get that buy in so they
can improve. And I was just having a conversation with
Dasha before we came on, and I think with sitzerpasses
he's potentially in a mentally challenging situation because he was
up there, you know, playing Grand Slam finals. He's an

(24:32):
incredible player. I love his diversity, Love the fact that
he's a single hander, so he's really good for the tour.
Love to see him have success. But maybe there's a
little piece of him that goes, oh, I had my chance.
Now Al Karaz and Center have come up, they're going
past me, all these other people are getting better, and
there's a little bit of that I might have missed
my chance. And I think that's mentally obviously very challenging.

(24:55):
And then you know, apparently there's things happening in his
personal life that are challenging. So like somebody said, I
can't remember to come out, and then his coach coming
out and sort of laying it on is pretty tough
on him.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
He's dealing with enough as it is. Especially, I think it.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Makes Gouran look good for me as a not an athlete.
I'm like, that's me, Like, that's kind of like and
it's kind of looking badly on mental health as well.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Is it a strategy?

Speaker 5 (25:21):
Like am I giving him Goren too much credit to
say maybe this is his way to light a fire
under Steph or is it just he's just a fiery
bloke who likes to to the media.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
Are they still working? Yeah, that's so from what we
can tell, because I thought that broken up.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah that's what that was my impression in any reports
that they had.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
So this was like the Dear John letter. But he did.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, very surprising move. Yeah, and I just think again,
I like accountability, you know, but not through the media,
not publicly. I mean, get him in a room.

Speaker 7 (25:57):
So how much was it just like newspaper and then
people whole story translate?

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I saw it on clay, which is I think they're
a Spanish publication, but.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Publications perhaps to the court surface.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Sorry, that's called a joke, I know.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
So we're going to talk a little bit more on
mental health a bit later and the burnout we're seeing
from our players.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
But Dasha, moving on to you, we'll caught your right.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
I really love the story of Mirror supporting Concerto in
the legends.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
It was pretty cute. I don't know who helped her
with the well.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
I like to think that she stayed up all night
making it herself.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
So for our listeners, if you haven't seen it, Conchita
played the invitation, Yes, thank you, No, that's great, the
invitational mixed of all.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
I think it was yeah, so they're legends.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
To and then Mirror took a sign on driver that said,
let's go Sanorita top spin you are golden.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
It's pretty much so cute, and she was saying and
on court an interview with that or some interview that
she was created and there will be like balls hanging out.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Like her hat is spectacular as well.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
I think she did have some help well that.

Speaker 7 (27:34):
Do you know what?

Speaker 1 (27:34):
When I saw it again, I was like, did she
make her Like did she sit there like cutting out
the letters?

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Like it's pretty good?

Speaker 7 (27:43):
Can you love the fact that she like she's just
that chill, like you know, like a beer. Probably a
hustle for her to get out, like it wasn't a
big court, and then like fans would be.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
Like, oh my god, can I talk to you. I'm
here to support my coach.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
And she was on the side of the court yelling
things like it's okay, you're.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
The best of the court.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
You can do this.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
Its like is you gonna get kicked out?

Speaker 6 (28:12):
They're always laughing like.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Here just yeah, because you had them into cinema sessions,
didn't you.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Yeah, we did. We'll put a link to the YouTube
in the show notes of this.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
But they were just so funny, like sitting down on
the couch in one of our studios with our host
Nick and just looking at the moments, but that we
could have just left them to their own devices rolled
the camera because it's like watching stand.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Up comedy with those two.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
It's so funny.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
They're constantly teasing each other, but it all comes from
a place of love and it's really really great.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
It seems like a great working relationship. Dasha, are you
friends with and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (28:50):
Right now, time Zone, I've bost did like a stupid
story yesterday. It was like really stupid and she like,
oh my god, that's so funny. And I'm like, oh
my god, that's like a humor for like a child humor.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
But yeah, but I.

Speaker 7 (29:09):
Remember like during her first year on tour when she
absolutely killed it. Next the following year, Netflix was following her,
or maybe it was that year after she had a
good result at French and yeah, all the tournaments before that,
they were following her at Wimby and she was like,

(29:34):
it's just so weird, like I haven't even done anything
like she was. So she's like they could maybe follow
me next year or the following year, like I haven't
even like established myself. So she was so like driven
like she was like she just wants to win, like

(29:55):
she and she still has the dream and I think
she thinks she will achieve her dreams. But she doesn't
just want to win like a slam. She wants to
win the most slams.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah, have that goal.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
You don't want to be kind of a half fast
wish haver manifestation.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
You want to go in there.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
But I will say, like as far as docokers go,
they will follow the fire, not the smoke. So you
want to be there as the amazing things are happening,
not be like, Oh that happened, that was amazing. I'm
going to see what happens next.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
How of our original content over here, Steven, what sets
and Dreva apart?

Speaker 6 (30:28):
Do you think from the young players interesting?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
In a role I had with the analytics team last year,
we looked at her pretty closely, and for me, she's
on her way to being the next number one. I
think she's that good. She can play in all parts
of the court. She's very powerful girl. She's got a
lot of spin on her forehand. She's pretty handy with

(30:52):
the serve. She can kick the serve, which is becoming
it's becoming more and more common on the woman's too,
but for a long time it wasn't very common. So
she's got a lot of weapons. She moves well, and
I think the part that we were talking about before
about her having fun and her team and everything like that,
I think that's massive. I actually think that's a reason

(31:14):
why people don't stay in the game as long as
they used to. I think they're more on the girls side.
I must say, they sort of come in, have a
lot of success, and then they're sort of away. If
you can keep that joy in the game. She seems
to really enjoy playing, and so hopefully she has that joy,
but also that drive. But she's got weapons, she's got movement.

(31:34):
There isn't a there isn't a significant weakness there. Dash
has a comment on where you might attack her. Do
you want to share that desk?

Speaker 7 (31:42):
I think her aforehand a tiny like. I mean, I
wish I had that weakness as my weapons, but yeah, yeah,
I agree. She she's also super smart on court, like
you're know tactically.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
And I actually I was watching it last night and I.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Actually know like beyond years really.

Speaker 7 (32:06):
With some some players like love information, but she just
figures like she does it on her own.

Speaker 6 (32:14):
She figures it out.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, that's an intangible it's hard to read. Yeah, And
I think that all players have some area that will
show up under intense pressure. So while it looks like
no one has a weakness, if you get to sort
of five or thirty all or five six in the tiebreak.
And I think that's what Dash is referring to in
that her forehand's very good ordinarily and most of the time,

(32:36):
but under the most intense pressure she may actually run
around her forehand to hit a backhand, which you see
at times. So that's probably just an area that she
wants to that I'm sure her and her team are
aware of and trying to trying to improve. But again,
you don't get there easily. You have to get yourself
to that point for it actually to expose itself.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
So if that is resolved, for lack of a better word,
could she bear like she wishes to win every slam
multiple times?

Speaker 7 (33:04):
She'll probably get there without even it's not good it's
not much to be a resolved Okay.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
So she's still Yeah, she's still so young and she's
already so good. So you keep that growth, growth mindset,
you keep the joy in what she's doing. She's gonna
have a very long and successful career.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
I think that's crucial. Loving what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Absolutely, and it sounds like Goran could take some tips
from Conchita, So yeah, maybe they.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Should have.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Maybe in private, just for something new and different.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I'm not sure Stephanis is going to support Goran in
the invitation.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
He's got a very different handmade side.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
Oh that was good, so well done.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Hopefully if you're listening, go watch the video to understand
that a little bit.

Speaker 7 (33:48):
More coaches like talk about their players like man.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Or he's such a pain in there.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
For sure, there's more. There's some that talk more openly
than others. If you're working with a player, I'm not
going to go and talk to other players about what
my players other coaches. No, I wouldn't do it, but
there certainly are. You know, there are different personalities everywhere,
so definitely bits and pieces of that.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
Absolutely, coaches came to me complaining about your opponents, about
the players yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
How's their uncle.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Well, we're going to finish off. What caught your eye?
Would you say you've got a particular.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Well caught my eye. We caught our taste buds everyone.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
Yeah, of course it is no anyway, so Eager one
of my favorites. She's in the quarterfinals. Sorry, in the
quarter finals, she just defeated Samsonova. But earlier in the event,
after after defeating Daniel Collins, she revealed that one hell
Daniel Danny Collins either way, yeah, the animal. She revealed

(34:59):
that her one of her favorite meals is Macarons drusk
of carme me. It's pasted with strawberries. It's a little
bit Wimbledon, a little bit Italian. It's all Polish and
apparently it's delicious. Let's have a littok at the clip.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
I have my favorite. Actually I ate it as a kid.

Speaker 6 (35:17):
It's pasta with strawberries.

Speaker 10 (35:19):
So that's strange, I know, I know, but pasta, strawberries,
a little bit of yogurt, it's just great.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
Well, our amazing production team have been beavering away here
at the tennis Australian microwaves.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
Actually have the microwave.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
Actually, what have you got for us. Do you have
some macarons? I can't say, come on, your your.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Your macaron perfect? Now what have you got? So let's
have a little taste taste, she said, But it.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Doesn't have nuts on it, does it? Because I don't
want to pull an ambulance.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
That's so, that's definitely, But there's no traces here.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
We don't want you to. I haven't got my EpiPen on.

Speaker 6 (36:06):
Food. Right.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
Well, last time I was here with yourself and that
other guy, what's his name blue, you were talking about
your bush.

Speaker 7 (36:12):
Yeah, sorry, I'm taking photo as well.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
Yeah, because the phone eats first, I.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Guess that's what they're saying Thailand.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
So this is pasta video strawberries.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
We should take a video.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
We have literally like four cameras on it, but it's.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
Not vertical for instagramies.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
So this is pasta with strawberries, natural yogurt, honey, mint leaves,
vanilla essence and on this one only and flax.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
So feel free to have a little taste. Let's see
what all the about.

Speaker 6 (36:48):
You gotta get all of it.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Yeah, I mean food, okay, and it just tastes like yogurt.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
That is really strange to have the strawberry taste with
the past.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Yeah, because it's that kind of that. I don't hate it.
It's like I don't know, I'm kind of into it.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Do I need do I keep going?

Speaker 5 (37:08):
Yeah? Un just dip your mic down. We don't get masticating.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
Sound put like yeah, like does it need to be.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
Swe you know what it needs? Get rid of the pasta,
put it on some oats or something.

Speaker 6 (37:22):
I actually like it.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
Yeah, okay, good either you've got a fan here. Maybe
I should be like Poland to crack off. That was
really cool, Poland amazing. Yeah, I agree, good, there we
go Poland be there.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
Is way better than I would have, like.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
A basket of perogis over pink pasta.

Speaker 6 (37:45):
It's going to have one more butt and then we'll
move on now.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
Sure yeah, yeah, it's the almonds that make it. That's
why you're missing out.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Dash.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
You need a bit of crunch him does it need
it needs to be.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
Also, I don't think they're very nice strawberries. Sorry, Andy,
if they're from your.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Home game, no they're not there.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
They're like I don't know, all right, So look apparently
popular and Poland popular wherever Bree is from. And that's
my as the week, not asked the week, and that's
my what caught my eye.

Speaker 7 (38:18):
Strawberry, that's done for your ace of the week.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
Absolutely not. I think it's my indigestion.

Speaker 6 (38:23):
It might be for the week Jesus.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
All right, well you keep chomping your pasta, thank you
very much. Yeah, don't skip breakfast, most important meal. We're
going to jump to an a break. I guarantee these
bowls will be cleaned by Bree during it. So we're
back in a second.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Okay, welcome back. They have removed the plates away from me.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yes, but you've put up quite a fight.

Speaker 6 (38:50):
They're saving me, saving me, saving them for me.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
After you demanded don't throw that out anyway.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Anyway, we are now growing to get on to a
different topic, and we're going to get I should talk
a little bit about something we touched on briefly last week,
but on burnout tennis players and the tour.

Speaker 7 (39:09):
A lot of players are coming out and coming out
publicly saying that they've been struggling or they haven't been
enjoying it.

Speaker 6 (39:17):
And I actually send it.

Speaker 7 (39:20):
If I see like a post on Instagram, I send
it to Luke and I'm like, and another one in
gj CA, but yeah, tennis is hard. I also want
to say, like, we are very lucky to do what
we're doing. I think that's why it's hard to step away,

(39:41):
because I mean, we have a lot of benefits, and
I personally I don't.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
I haven't.

Speaker 7 (39:47):
I don't mind the travel now it's hard, but I've
never struggled with like traveling.

Speaker 6 (39:56):
I didn't mind.

Speaker 7 (39:57):
That, Like, I don't mind it.

Speaker 6 (39:59):
It's okay.

Speaker 7 (40:00):
I mean, I know a few years back, like Ash,
she absolutely hated that part. I haven't been enjoying the
process that much anymore. And you kind of mentioned, yeah
that Tito pass not feeling like he can go out
and win a slam. Maybe I felt like, well, you know,

(40:23):
I've been top twenty and I'm not there anymore.

Speaker 6 (40:27):
Maybe I've struggled with that.

Speaker 7 (40:29):
I mean, definitely this, I haven't been lucky with my injuries,
and maybe part of it was I'm kind of feeling
that way now because I didn't maybe process my last injury.
After the ACL, I was pretty like, oh, well that's
just a few a few months, but I when I

(40:53):
got back on tour, I was like, shit, it's different,
Like it's totally different. And I don't feel the same way.
And yeah, it's long, it's a long season for everyone, but.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
It's almost an endless, endless Yeah, it's not really a break.

Speaker 7 (41:12):
Well, yeah, if you didn't want to take a break, there.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Is it's an option to just around going.

Speaker 7 (41:20):
But like we are getting supported, like on tourists, we
have psychologists. You know, I'm someone that will try and
reach out and I am you know, talking and getting help.

Speaker 6 (41:35):
But like, I think it's just really.

Speaker 7 (41:38):
Hard to break this cycle and step away the way
you know, Amanda did it and she was like, you
know what, I'm not enjoying it. I'm actually stepping away
because someone saying, oh, well I'm going to have a break.
I mean I said that I'm having a break, and here.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
I am playing two weeks later.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
I did see on your Instagram.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
You want to bullshit, but it's yeah.

Speaker 7 (42:09):
It's because you're always like chasing something and that's why
there is like the Tennis Store, that's how it's designed.
People chasing rankings, points, money, so you feel like, yeah,
you can't really stop. And if you're ranked at the top,

(42:29):
you also like you'll have to pay pretty hefty fines
for skipping tournaments, so.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
It's just really hard to break that cycle.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, and you think it's the length of the tour
that's really like impacting you plus others, because you're right,
I was thinking the same thing the whole past two weeks.
It's like another player talking about mental health and another
and another another.

Speaker 7 (42:51):
And you'll see them they're all gonna come back and
play the US wing like and I think it's doing
that and continuing and being like on tours the easiest
thing to do because I almost like.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
Bearing your head in the sea.

Speaker 7 (43:11):
Yeah, you're like, well just keep going, and I think, yeah,
it's kind of like I think it would be brave
to go. Yeah, look, I'm going to freeze my ranking
or like I don't care about my points. If my
ranking drops, it is what it is. But you're not
going to be making that many points. If you're not,

(43:33):
you don't want to be there anyway. So I was watching,
actually we watched one episode of al Kara's show and
how they said, like, we don't want tennis to be
an obligation for him. That's probably how it feels for
nine percent of players, Like I think ten percent of

(43:55):
players are like, wow, I love it.

Speaker 6 (43:58):
I love the process.

Speaker 7 (43:59):
I love training, I love getting better, and I think
at our age, you also it's harder to look at
the process and be like, yeah, that's cool, I'm gonna.

Speaker 6 (44:13):
Achieve this.

Speaker 7 (44:14):
And I feel like I'm not that young anymore, Like
what kind of process, Like I can't wait for three
months for my forehand to get better, like I want
to have Like I just want to have results now.

Speaker 6 (44:28):
Where when you're young, I guess you're.

Speaker 7 (44:30):
Like building, always building, building, and I'm like cool, Like, yeah,
what if we're building.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
For Like it's interesting Like you mentioned like the young players,
and Djokovic was quoted this week saying kids are pushed
too early into strict professionalism before they developed emotional intelligence.
And that kind of got me down a bit of
a rabbit hole of kids in all sports, but in
particular tennis, and it's almost the monetization of young players

(44:58):
going into it and then it's drilled into them at
such a young age. So, for example, in North America,
the film and entertainment industry makes you know, billions of
dollars a year, but that is surpassed by these youth
academies to the point where a venture capitalist firm has
actually purchased the IMG Academy in Florida, because it's not
just because it's great for the sport and great for

(45:18):
the kids, it's a money spinner. So these kids are
being pushed by their parents from you know, seven years old,
and then by their first coach, not all of them,
Sure you're one of the good ones, and then by
their more senior coach, and then they get into the
junior tour, then they're doing the real they're doing the tour,
then they're at the majors, and it's just relentless and
it's been drilled into them almost from birth that there

(45:41):
is no time for time off. It is just go, go,
go until you pop. How do we break that away?
If you can have if you find a solution right now, great,
but I just don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
An elite sport, whether you're talking about tennis or anything else,
is pretty brutal, it really is. And as the generations
keep turning over, it becomes harder and harder to be
the best or to be successful in your sport. So
the early professionalism and the early specialization, if you like,
becomes more and more common in whatever sport that players

(46:17):
are chasing. And you know what, we talked about a
little bit earlier. Keeping some joy and keeping some fun
in what you're doing has to be part because the
only way you're going to stay in it a long
time is if you enjoy it. And you know, Dash,
thanks for that. That was awesome you're sharing there, and
one bit of encouragement I'd like to give you, And

(46:38):
there are several examples of it, and we actually had
one at Wimbled and I think I mean Laura Sigmund right,
thirty seven years old, I think making quarterfinals of singles
of Wimbledon. Yeah, but you know a few years ago
we had the German girl you mentioned earlier, the mother
Tatianamera making semifinals.

Speaker 7 (47:01):
Real.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
I'm a big advocate for if you keep showing up,
you keep preparing, then sometime something's going to open up.
You're going to have your moment if you keep showing up.
But it's incredibly mentally challenging to do so over and
over again. But you see it both with the men
and with the women, that someone comes out of nowhere
and has this amazing result when you think they're done

(47:24):
and dusted. So and that's why I'm actually quite optimistic
on Alex deemenor you know, there are a lot of
people that think, oh no, he's never going to win
a Slam. He's not quite good enough. He keeps losing
to Djokovic. I mean, he's losing to the best players
of all time late in tournaments. And I just think,
if he shows up for the next twenty Grand Slams
and he's prepared and he's ready, he is good enough

(47:45):
to get a drawer or get a moment, or get
a form that actually takes him to a Grand Slam title.
And I think it's I think that's what spurs you on,
but it's really it's really difficult to keep fronting up
year after year because of how challenging elite sport is.
It's wonderful, don't get me wrong. It's wonderful to travel
the world and have the experiences and play at those

(48:07):
big tournaments, but it's incredibly challenging. And I think in
this day and age with social media, with so much
attention on and from everybody, everybody, I think it makes
it three times as hard as before that was around.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
I suffer from mental health, from depression, anxiety. I'm not
on a plane all the time. I'm not like I'm
not in the public eye. How do you keep showing
up when you are exhausted.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, I don't think you can. If you're exhausted and
you're at the end of your rope, then you can't.
And then it's time to take a break or take
a refresh or do something different. Absolutely, I think you
have to be really honest with yourself. You know yourself,
your team, your partner, whoever it is, and be like,
all right, right now, I don't feel like I can push,
And to me, that should be fine. Okay, let's not

(48:56):
push now, let's do whatever you want to do. Let's
later and yeah. And if they're comes a time when oh,
you know what, I'm missing that or I want to
get back to that, or then yeah and then or
it's you know what, I'm ready for the next moment
in my life. I mean at the end of my career.
My daughter was born in February, and when I traveled

(49:16):
after that, I started, oh, I'm playing at eleven o'clock tomorrow.
If I lose, can I get a flight out? And
I was looking at flights, so now my foot one
foot in and one foot out right, And as soon
as you get to that an elite sport. You're done.
I mean you're done. So that for me, it lasted
at the end of you know, us Open that year.

(49:37):
Seven months later, I was like, no, I want to
be home with my daughter and my family and I'm done.
And I was happy with that, and I didn't want
to go back and I didn't have that experience. So
I was done. But there may be people that come
in and out. You know, we're talking about Annismova today
in the Semis. I mean, she looked like she was done.
She was not having any fun from what you could
tell from the outside of pressure. And I think it

(49:59):
was even more than that. I mean, she's been she's
been struggling, you know, for a while, and finally she
just went up, I've had enough, and I think that
was the right thing to do. And now she's back
and obviously got a good team around her and having
fun with it again. So I don't think you can
push if it's not inside you. Yeah, that would be
what I would say.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Well, it's a tough one. We will keep.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Talking about it. It's really great to have, you know,
people on the show. You actually can get really sad music.

Speaker 7 (50:29):
Also, people don't even think I'm like, because I'm not
that sad, like my said is very happy.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
But your your reality is yours. You know, if you
feel a certain way, then you know.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
I did like the way you burnout video ended with
the trouble out here at the end.

Speaker 7 (50:50):
Yeah, it was pretty funny, but I don't have like
things that I want to do, and I'm like, I'm
still blinked.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
One foot in, one foot out.

Speaker 7 (51:05):
Yeah, the one I just need to have bolls fits
somewhere else, yeah, or tennis.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
So we're going to move into some quick hitters headlines
of other stuff that's happened. Firstly, wake up you Yeah,
oh not, everyone's going to get that.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
That's right. They play masical square gardens.

Speaker 6 (51:27):
Yeah that's true. Hugh Grant fell asleep in the real
box during.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
DJOKOVICALI No one hundred percent is a sleep to be
snoring and but yeah Djokovic Kabali not enough for old
mister g.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Turns out it.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Actually was a pretty good match from books of things.
I think he was just probably jet lag or something. Yeah, sure,
I love He's so funny.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Yeah, not Hill is the top Flickr it is.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Then we've got Dimotrov for anyone who watched the round
four match Dimitrov and Sinner.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
He had quite a terrible pictorial.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
Tear, Yeah, tear or a pool like you know, it
hasn't been fully revealed, but yeah, it was looking pretty good.
And then yeah, in that third set there were two
games all and something happened and it was yeah, game over.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, had some tears. Sinner had to help him carry
his bag off court. That was a pretty sad moment.

Speaker 8 (52:22):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Actually his fifth consecutive Grand slamers had to retire. He
was going to beat Well, that's what I'm sure the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, no, and I'd be shocked if he's back for
US Open. US Open is only six six weeks away.
I mean, yeah, I'd be shocked if he was back
for that. So that's awful. I mean, thirty four years old,
he's an amazing tennis player. And yeah, I don't know
how many times you can come back from injuries. He's
certainly done it a few times. And to have to

(52:49):
retire from five slams in a row, I've never heard
that before.

Speaker 6 (52:54):
That is always like different injuries.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Yeah, so I think so.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
Peck and then French was a thigh this year the
AO was his hip and they're not sure on the US.
But last year's Wimbledon was his abductor pretty rare. Sorry, Dimmy,
you'd be right. I mean he's one of the best
looking bugs in tennis.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
So beautiful.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Yeah, he'll survive.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
Here go boss, you're assis what's going on with the Aussies.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Dash's got some info here.

Speaker 7 (53:19):
Come on, tag Cleve and Dez des is American, but
we claim her as Aussie that dates and Andrew Harris.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Australia is a melting pot.

Speaker 7 (53:34):
Yes, Olivia goodki with desert a craft check there in
the semifinals of Wimbledon doubles so good and thanks to
thanks to storm because Stormy was meant to play with Dez,
but Stormy got injured and Dez was looking to resign

(53:56):
with with at this point I guess anyone and signed
with leave and now they're in the semi so Leeve
was not even gonna play. Oh wow, okay, and Rinky

(54:17):
Jata Jakata with his partner David Pearl. I have not
met this man. I've never seen him. I did wait
to their doubles the other day, but yeah, I think
they were also Olderness.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
What the same thing happened to them.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
I'm pretty sure they were. They were alternates.

Speaker 7 (54:39):
And yeah, they're in the semifinals as well, which I
love the.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
Heigh difference between them.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, like he's quite as like six foot one or something.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
This guy's like.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
Is through to junior quarterfinals. Emson Jones, that.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Is yeah, we love her. She's the future of tennis
right there.

Speaker 7 (54:59):
She definitely is. Yeah, little pocket rocket. It's the ball
very hard.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Yeah. Oh that's great. So quarter finals in the singles
and the doubles.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Well, good luck to our Aussies, our final ones left
in the race for Wimbledon glory. We are going to
move into my top five fashion slay your name.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
It's free stop five slate or a.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Oh my god, a sting.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
Yeah that was really good.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Okay, we're going to get into number one number. We've
got Mercetti his sponsors six, so he has I think
what we're really focusing on here is the headband and
the Betaga Vanetta jacket signature lets Star, which is called
the intra Kato weave. Yeah, then six jacket.

Speaker 7 (55:55):
It was I mean, it's it's it's slay, it's whatever.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
It's not a net, it's not an a have you
got like a sligh.

Speaker 7 (56:02):
Talented, brilliant, incredible, amazing, show stopping spectacular.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
That's okay, fine, okay, yeah, ok number two.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
I gotta find my number two.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
But now this is good, really hard.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (56:22):
Number two is Cocoa.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Now this is cool.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
I love it so I really did not like it.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
And it's kind of like a Victorian.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
I don't know what friend is at home.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Actually, it's like it's like, okay, hold on, Cocoa is
dressed by New Balance and mew Meal is a pleted skirt,
and then she has an embroidered top that kind of
almost looks like it could have boning. It doesn't, obviously,
and then she has a headband on and a bow

(56:54):
in her hair, and Dasher's definitely saying name.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
One thing about the top.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
For me, it looks like when I put a song
gone inside out and all the like the patterns.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
It's like when I put my socks off backwards. I
looked down and I.

Speaker 6 (57:10):
Actually can't see how you can like you can. Sorry,
I love well.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I like the hair and the headband, but I'm a
day on the wrist.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
Now go nay it up away.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
We have asked to Sashet away much to my anger Coco.

Speaker 6 (57:32):
I wonder if she designed that.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
I don't know, but we're definitely gonna send it the
clip as a d M on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
I personally love it. Shout out to my new Balance
partners because I.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Love to you are free plugging everything.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Now we're going to go on to number three.

Speaker 6 (57:49):
Three we discuss.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Yes, so we have Pagola.

Speaker 6 (58:01):
She looks miserable.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Where so did mirror?

Speaker 6 (58:04):
No so did when?

Speaker 3 (58:09):
So we have.

Speaker 6 (58:10):
Pola in an I'd be more impressed if she played.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
In it to get married in it.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
So we have in a I need to get this
out and outfit like a Nike did at the French.
They have teamed it with a long skirt. So the
skirt is quite long at the back and a little
it has a little up at the front, and then
she has an oversized collared shirt on and a white visor.

(58:40):
I have questions around Adadas's use of the one centimeter
rule of color. I think they're really I think a
few brands have gone over the Wimbledon rules this year.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
It's not along no no, no, I mean I know,
but still just.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Yeah, I don't know what do we think I'm going
it looks like he.

Speaker 7 (59:01):
Takes it off. The outfit underneath is fine.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Yeah, well you know it's a whole package or nothing.

Speaker 7 (59:06):
So obviously the ship knows it's a Nate like.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
She's just like, you're right. She looks really unhappy this outfit.

Speaker 11 (59:15):
Home four, we've got sister pass No, he could cut
glass like the old school logo.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
That's a good point. Does he have to wear sorry,
describe it.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
We've got sis pass at us again. He's in a
sheer our goal pattern top and headband. We're really looking
at the top here, which is the pattern and the sheerness.

Speaker 6 (59:46):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
That's class.

Speaker 6 (59:48):
I think it's crazy sleigh.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
I wonder why he didn't get a long skirt.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
Yeah, I like it. It's cool. It is a sigh.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
It's a sleigh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Slay Yeah, simple, yeah, simple, confirmed. We're going with five now,
Oh Emerson, I've gone, well, we had a very different
it's just very quick.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
It's slay. It's quick slate, it's slay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
And you know what, there's two different Nike dresses. There's
one that's a straight skirt and then there's this one
that has like the portion plate.

Speaker 7 (01:00:24):
I don't like the way girls tucked. I hate the tuck.
I've voiced it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
It's my.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Well is that it's a tennis ball. They have to
keep your ball up there for your second serve.

Speaker 7 (01:00:38):
I think it's so some girls do it because the
skirts is annoying and in the wind.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
It's flying up.

Speaker 7 (01:00:46):
Just tucked into it, into her shorts. But I don't
like the tuck. Sometimes it's like it's too too much.
She tucked too tucked. It becomes looking like a nappy.
Some girls attack it from both. The double tack is like.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
The double t is like that's a name jail time,
but can't she get away with this?

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Is this a sleigh?

Speaker 6 (01:01:13):
Sligh's Paris Hilton?

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Okay, we're just going to do one.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Honorable mention for and we're doing this number six?

Speaker 7 (01:01:26):
Is it? It's Justine putting a sweater after like sweating.

Speaker 6 (01:01:31):
It's quite hot too.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Very Wimbledon.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
It's very federer. His little nip.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Yeah, we were thinking vick and o. Yeah that's why
is there anyway? Thanks for playing?

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
It's free stop by slave or and that's us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Just go out on a limb here and there's a
picture up here in the top corner. Can I ask
is that sleigh or no on, mister Rod Labor.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
That's the original sleigh.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Yeah, I reckon.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
We've slayd with no Now it is time to ace
out week, kick it off free.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
What about you? What's your little lace of the week?

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
I actually got invited by TikTok this week to go
to Jakarta. I'm talking at an event about how we
work with Southeast Asia. We had some South East Asian
creators here at the Australia Open this year and just
various other things. So it was really exciting to get
invited and to be going to Jakarta at the end
of the morning.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
Very cool.

Speaker 6 (01:02:27):
Yeah you don't even know that yet.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
This is news to me too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
I'm yeah, yeah, you can borrow my Indonesian But yeah,
they did say to me when I met up with
TikTok and Jakarta.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
They were like, oh, have you been to Indonesia before?

Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
And I was like, Bali.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
They're like, oh, yeah, all Australians have. It's kind of embarrassing,
but yeah, they'd be fun.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Add to the list of things you're embrassed about is good?

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
Right? How about yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Have yonder was definitely yesterday we got a new family
member a little puppy three or four months old, so
kids very excited. Banjo is a little dog's name. He's
pretty small, he's pretty cute, so that's a big highlight
for our family.

Speaker 7 (01:03:15):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
What breed did you are?

Speaker 5 (01:03:18):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Banjo is a part Kelpie staffy mix.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Great mix, that stuffy, all the fun and energy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah, dogs are awesome, so looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
But the thing with their staffy is that they're actually
quite snoozy and cuddly as well.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Just go and go.

Speaker 6 (01:03:39):
It's such a beautiful mix though.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
Provided it's the right alchemy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
If your dog goes missing, could have stolen it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
More dogs, pretty guilty. Yeah, yeah, shout out to your peach.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
I'm sure shout out dumpling and bacon at home.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
All right, dash, that's what I have.

Speaker 7 (01:04:00):
I guess a show rack rack mo blend.

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
I watched it one day on the week. Okay, well
there you go.

Speaker 7 (01:04:09):
I haven't finished it, but I definitely enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
It's so good.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Yeah yeah, okay, good good recommendation.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
And also told me you've been watching Ginny and Georgia.
I binge watched it following so good.

Speaker 7 (01:04:27):
Oh he was on the plane. That's what he told
me the hot guy. It was right behind us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
It looks like eyes forward.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Dash was asleep exactly, just spooning.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
Oh, thank everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
Mis the week somewhat obviously it's kind of an as
the last week, but Buller, just go back from an
amazing family holiday in Fiji.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Just the kids had a great time. I had a
great time.

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
The kids club was great, but the adults club at
the other end where no kids were allowed.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
It was just beach, pool, cocktails and sleep. Amazing. That's
nice of the week.

Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
That's so good. Can you catch up on sleep?

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
Yeah, heaps of it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
Yeah, that's so good.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
It was my sleep depth feels like parents need that.

Speaker 7 (01:05:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Okay, Well, thank you all for joining us for another
jam packed episode. We will be back next week to
talk about everything that happens on the weekend with the
Wimbledon finals, we'll see who was crowned. Big thank you
for your first foray into pod labor.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Love being here. Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
We'd love to have you back, so hopefully you can
let the producers and afterwards if we passed whether you
come back, Dash up. We loved having you. We really
appreciate the conversation you opened up to us. With and
you know we always want you here, so please send
through your availabilities.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
Okay, thanks, pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Welcome back. Please don't die.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
We're gonna cut it off there because he's not well.
See you next week, guys, see you bye.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
Hey everyone, Harps and Andy here just want to remind
you that you can watch every episode of the Tennis
on our YouTube channel, Australian Open TV.

Speaker 12 (01:06:07):
And we have an email as well podcast at tennis
dot com dot au. If you thought the show was
amazing or you thought it was terrible, we are keen
to hear from you. We'll read it, so feedback comments,
whatever it is. Get in touch with us at our
email and we'll catch you on the next one.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
Catch you later.
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