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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Tim Power Show on your VOCM. The
views and opinions of this program are not necessarily those
of the station. Here's Tim. Hey everybody, Friday, October tenth,
leading into the long Thanksgiving weekend. Glad you are with us.
We've got lots on this show, including a little bit
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of news. Yeah. Remember that poll that was supposed to
be going public. Alex Marlin talked about it, others talked
about it. Well, apparently it's not going to go public,
But there is, in fact a poll. I have not
seen it myself, but I have a guest coming on
at four point thirty. Eric Renier of the Writ, one
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of Canada's, if not Canada's, foremost poll polls analyst. He
has seen it and he's going to talk about some
of what he has seen. Not going to ruin it
for you, but the scuttle butt that has been about
in finlandon Labrador about the election being close seems to
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be accurate. You'll have to hang on until four thirty
to hear what Eric has for you and what he
is able to share. So he's seen the newest tranch
of data, the only tranch of data that well, I'm
sure there's been others the parties to get pieces of data,
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but Eric has has has some information for us. All
gonna want to hang tough for that at four thirty. Now,
what else is going on today before we get into
the lineup, Well, how about the Prime minister. A seems
everybody before Thanksgiving needs to tell us some things that
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will make us feel a little bit better as we
get around the Thanksgiving table. And the Prime Minister did
that today. Didn't give a ton of details, but you
heard Brian play at the clip. Perhaps the most interesting
thing there and something that will be popular. Prime Minister
has said that the National School Food Program is going
to be a permanent thing. My understanding of that program
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and where it came from, it was wildly popular across
the Liberal caucus and they had originally lobbied for it
with Justin Trudeau in office, and of course he brought
it in. Prime Minister seems to be wise enough at
a time when some are questioning how effective he is
with the United States to lock down some caucus support
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and do something that's good by coming forward with a
continuation on a permanent basis of the National School Food Program.
So again the Prime Minister shows he does have some
political chops and continues to learn on the job despite
the criticism that is out there about their not being
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anything yet from the United States. So one little observation there,
the other observation NHL just diverging here entirely. Watch my
first regular season game last night. No it wasn't the
Leafs are the Canadians, but the Senators, and they won
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five to four. Came back, they were down by a
couple of goals for a long time and just fought back,
fop back and one Watch out Toronto, watch out Smitty
and all you Toronto acolytes. These guys could be for
real this year. We'll make for some great hockey. And
of course the Jays will face the winner of Seattle
and the Tigers tonight and their arms, their bullpen arms,
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their starting pitchers arms will be rested. This will be
a longer series. When it starts on Sunday, it will
be four out of seven. So who they activate and
do all of that will be interesting to watch. Interesting
also to watch the news of the three Newfoundland activists
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who are apparently detained by Israeli forces. The Premier has
raised this issue with the Minister of Foreign affairs. We're
staying on top of that as well, hoping everyone is safe.
It still remains even though there seems to be some
significant steps to peace made, seems to be a tenuous,
volatile situation. So all those things will be watching and look.
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I hope over the course of the weekend two everybody,
everybody's a good think about how they're going to vote,
and I hope the turnout is good. I mean, I
was just on a show with Eric Grenny, and I
think the consensus we had at that time was right.
Now there doesn't seem to be a high level of engagement,
and that makes sense. There may be a little bit
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of electoral fatigue. But for your own purposes, vote, vote,
vote for whoever you think it's important to vote for,
and make sure you've thought about it. But it is
worth voting. People have died for. Look around Saint John's
and across the island in Laborador and you'll see memorials
about people who fought to protect democracy. There's my little sermon.
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So what do we got coming up? In about a minute,
we're gonna have our friend Richard Dugging on to talk
about what's planned on Tuesday for our election. Coverage, what
he's seeing and hearing today on the campaign trail, if
there's any more fights and grand falls windsdor among the candidates.
We talk to Richard. We'll talk to Amanda Bittner to
get her final thoughts heading into the campaign. What she
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thought of the debate. Our online poll yesterday survey demonstrated
that most people didn't think too much about it, even
though we have a new story about some people applauding
the civil nature of the provincial election campaign and good
on that. But that's important. But was the debate a mover?
We'll ask Amanda. Then we will have Eric Grenier and
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he'll tell us what he can about what he has seen.
Then it's also World Mental Health Day, and I wanted
to talk to our friend doctor Janine Hubbard. And we're
gonna play does interview with the Mount Pearl couple who
won a trip of a lifetime to the Blue Jays
playoff game. We'll have all of that on the show,
but let's start with the man, the legend, the award winner,
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Richard Doug and Richard, how are you.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I'm doing good, Tim How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Oh? I am sure we're in the same place. Richard
looking forward to the weekend with an eye on the election,
eyes on the screen Blue Jays and hockey, waiting for
it to be Tuesday night, to see where we are
and what's all done. What about you, I mean, what
do you got planned for the weekend? Are you working
all weekend getting ready for Tuesday night's coverage?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well, I guess in the sense Tim, I'm always working
in one capacity or but I'm going to be spending
some time with family. You mentioned you were watching the
Senns game last night. Well, I'm a Habs fan, so
I watched our grade five to wait one. Yeah, they
did win, and I'm hoping for another win tomorrow night.
So I'll be doing some of that and join a
bit of downtime now before everything ramps right up on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Ramp up it will, indeed, before we get to Tuesday night, Richard,
Today's be a pretty quiet day on the campaign trail.
It seems they've all been focusing on getting out the vote.
What do you know about today's activities?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yes, absolutely, so I'll start where I was today. I
went to the NDP. They held a rally down in
Harborside Park in downtown Saint John's and it was sort
of there, you know, I guess, one last big rallying
cry before they head into the weekend. They're going to
be focusing on door knocking and just you know, general
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campaign activities over the course of the weekend. But this
was really their last big rally ahead of Tuesday night,
rallying the troops. You get the sense that they have
a lot of positivity heading into this election. It'll be
interesting to see how things play out for the NDP
come Tuesday night. As of right now, in the last election,
they have two seats. Jordan Brown left provincial politics and
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now he is the mayor of lav City, so an
open seat there, so we'll see how things play out
for them. That was really it for the NDP, just
that rally and sort of rallying the troops that one
final time the people just.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Before you leave there, just before you leave there, So
Harborside Park down by my mother's house, which means it's
in Saint John's E's Kitty Vitty. I assume no coincidence
there because that is the target seat that Jim dinn
would like to get. Right. Sheila O'Leary versus John Whale
and John Abbott held that seat. What are you hearing
about the chances there for the NDP, Richard.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
You know, it's interesting, Tim there. I can't living in
the metro region, I can't get a really good sense
of any one district leaning one way or another. Even
I live in Saint John's West, and you know, you
go down certain side streets or certain areas and there's
a smattering of blue, and then a couple of streets
up there's a smattering of red, and I think that's
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really the general consensus across a lot of the districts.
Of course, the NDP are very hopeful Shielo O'Leary a
high profile candidate for them in that district. Certainly if
you look through if you take a drive through that
district again, I think it's the same thing, sort of
a smattering of signs for different candidates. You can't really
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get a sense just by driving through how things are
playing out, you know. So I think it's going to
be interesting just overall in that sense of seeing how
things play out, because really there have been elections in
the past where you sort of have a sense in
certain districts you could say, okay, there's the front runner
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not getting a whole lot of that in a lot
of the districts around town lately. I think that when
you say three ray three way race, I think it
really is that way in a lot of cases right now.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, that could be the case. So sorry I cut
you off. You're about to go to the PC's what
were they up to today?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, So PC leader Tony Wakem is making a drive
back across the province right now. Of course, the destination
is his home district down in Stephenville Port of Port
for Tuesday nights. So today he was in Grandfall's Windsor
for a rally earlier today on He's going to be
in Deer Lake in a couple of hours for another rally.
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Then tomorrow he's heading up the Northern Peninsula for some
activities there. Then I think things kind of quiet down
a little bit and then as he heads back for
his district there on Tuesday night. As for the Liberals,
they did hold an announcement today. Premier Liberal leader John
Hogan rather was in Lewispoort today. He made a couple
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of education announcements. No big surprises in there. Everything that
was announced I think was in the red Book that
was released earlier this week. So I think the campaign
is sort of winding down in a lot of ways.
All the big announcements are done, and now it's electioneering
and door knocking over the next couple of days now
in preparation for Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, you got to get the votes out if you're
going to win seats, and all of the all the
parties will do what they call the g O TV
get out the Vote campaign. I know, before I ask
you about Tuesday, you can want to stay tuned, Richard,
because Eric Grenie is coming on. He has seen that
famous MQO poll that is now not going to be released.
And before people get conspiratorial, there's lots of reasons why
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poles may not be released, particularly if they're done for
private clients. But Eric has seen it. He's going to
tell us a little bit about what's in there, and
I think people will find it interesting. That's the preview
to hang on. But you give us the preview about Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, absolutely, So on Tuesday, you're going to you're going
to want to be locked v OCM from eight o'clock
onward because we're gonna have live election coverage throughout the evening.
We're going to have folks here in the studio breaking
down results from around the province. We have people out
on the ground, so I'm going to be with the
Liberal campaign on Tuesday night to see how things shake
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out for John Hogan and his crowd. We have Jerry
Lynn Mackie, she's going to be out on the West
coast down in Stevenville with the PCs and Tony Wakem
and we're going to have our very own Brian Callahan.
He's going to be with Jim Din and the NDP
here in town as well, and we're going to be
live throughout the evening until we can I guess, until
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we can call it. And the other important point that
I'd like to make Tim is well we'll have you
know everything on air. We're also going to have an
online component as well, so vo CM Zach Power is
going to be handling our website that night, and so
if you do miss some of the results on air,
if there's anything that you do miss, you can head
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over to VOCM dot com and we'll have the full
breakdown for you there, district by district. It's all hands
on deck for us here in the newsroom for Tuesday night, Tim,
and it's certainly going to be an interesting one to
watch how it all plays out.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, and people, I want to listen, as I say
at four thirty, to hear how interesting it could be. Richard,
appreciate the time. You have a great weekend, my friend.
Thank you, excellent, Thanks Tim all right. That is our
news director, Richard Duggan with us. Great to have Richard.
Great to have the work that he's done, Zax done,
Linda's done, Brian's done, the Brian Callahan's done, everybody's done.
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Fully vested and you want to stay tuned on Tuesday
night for the whole VOCM broadcast. When we come back,
we're going to talk to our friend doctor Amanda Bittner
to get her thoughts as we go into the final
days of this campaign about where it's haded. Standby for
that in a moment here on the Tim Power Show,
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Welcome back. Delighted to have my next guest. She was
coaching yesterday, which always comes first with she and I
and that of course the doctor Amanda Bittner. Amanda, Boy,
we're at the bitder and now three days to go.
I don't know, Bitter, I just feel I feel a
what I think the public feels a little bit. It
seems to be just like an engagement deficit. Maybe will
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be proven wrong on Tuesday night and that will be great,
and the turnout will be sky high and there will
be all kinds of things we didn't expect. But right now,
it just feels like we're getting to the end of
an election that had to happen but has not been
as enthusiastic and energetic as maybe it could have, should
have would have been for a whole bunch of reasons.
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I don't know. Am I just cranky as I head
into the Thanksgiving weekend? What's your take on this whole journey?
Don't hold back either, I mean, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I mean, if anybody knows the pulse, it's you, Like
I think that you're right. So my vibe that I
get from around is similar to what you're describing here,
which is I think, you know, it's been a long
year of thinking about politics a lot, and that has
started since January with all of Trump's you know, nonsense,
and so then you know, here we are, three elections later.
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We always knew it was going to be three elections,
and that's both exciting and also annoying, right and so
part of the challenge is here we are at the
end and there's a lot of stuff that still have
to happen, and there's lots of complex policy need to
be done, and this is really important. We want to
have governments that are energetic and good to go and excited.
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And unfortunately, I think the voters are not energetic right now,
but that doesn't mean they don't care about this, right So,
you know, I think we all want to be able
to just go back to our regular lives and not
think about all the stuff that's going on. The problem
is election day comes, next day comes, We're still going
to have a lot of things stuff to think about
and hard problems in front of us. And so that,
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you know, I'm hoping that even if voters aren't energetic,
that those who represent us are.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, they're going to have to be because look, we're
still going to have and this has been a topic
in the election, though I don't think it's taken off
in the way anybody thought it may have. Whether you're
opposed to or against, We're still gonna have chue chill
falls in the MoU to deal with too, right Like, regardless, feel.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Concerned about what that means and what's going on and
what to do about it and what we should understand,
and it's all it's all hard to know, right, And
so I think that voters are frustrated by that too,
because I don't think we have more answers now.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Than we did at the start of those campaigns.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
And honestly, nor could we have on one level. But
at the same time, I think that a lot of
folks are looking for leadership on this issue, and so
my hope is that after this selection we'll see a
bit more of that, more information, more clarity on some
of the kind of components that folks are arguing over.
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And I mean, that's all we can do, right is
take information and do something with it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Speaking of information, and again, I'm trying to get out
of this cranky move because I'm actually looking forward to
the weekend, having a bit of a break, doing some
stuff my son and just unplugging for a bit. But
that debate, for me, look, it was very low energy,
and a lot of that was deliberate, and I like
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the fact that, you know, we have a more civil
tone and it's not just about theater. But I don't know,
certainly the listeners to VOCM based on our online sampling yesterday,
didn't view the debate as moving them to a particular
place or influencing their vote. What was your take on that?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
So I listened to it, I didn't watch it. I
was driving my kids around to various sports and arts
and stuff, and so I had it on the car
for like the whole hour and a half. And you know,
there were a few moments that I thought, Okay, that's good,
that's good, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
But I agree with you, like.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
The overall tone was kind of quiet. There wasn't a
lot of combat. And I think because we have a
pretty good sense of these three leaders, we know them
pretty well at this point, right, And yes, John Hope
is a new premier, and yes the movie or the party,
but he's been around for a long time and he's
a well known, he's a very well spoken figure. We
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weren't learning a lot about him today's guess or at
that debate, is what I'm saying. And so, did you
need to listen to it or watch it?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Maybe not.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I don't know that we learned that much new from
that debate. It's important to have debates because it's a
chance for them to, you know, to really challenge each other,
to really push buttons and see how people can react
to that and actually press on certain issues. And I
didn't get a good feel for that part. I thought
we could have gotten more information out of it. But
I mean also I enjoyed debates because I'm a weirdo,
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and so we got some that in mind too.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Well, yeah, let's star in the weirdo club. Tell me, though,
is there anything in this campaign that has stood out
and screamed at you like, yeah, this person got it
right and we need to pay attention to that. Because
it was almost as if the playbooks again were identical.
One day everybody would announced something about crime. One day
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everybody would announce something about affordability, one day they would
announce something about healthcare. Nobody really talked about fiscal responsibility
and how we're going to manage the deficit and debt
burdens that we have. That was almost like, yeah, we'll
worry about that late. But was there anything that stood
out to you and said geez, that really took me
by surprise or I hope people listen to what this
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person said.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, that's a really good question. I'm rocking my brain
right now. So I don't think.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I think that what we got is I mean, you've
been thinking about politics for a long time. I've been
thinking about it for a long time. I think that
what we saw was an election campaign that fits with
what we might have predicted. Yeah, and so that's you know,
on one hand, okay, they're following a playbook of like
clear messaging on one level, talking about crime in different ways,
as you point out, talking about healthcare, Shore, all this
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stuff is important. Are there big, major real solutions that
have been put forward? Maybe? Are they going to happen?
I don't know. Can they afford them?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
And so this is that part I think too, where
you know, had we had the full platforms early on costed,
we could have then talked about the nitty gritty a
little bit more in more detail, and instead we just
kind of got them a few days ago and here
we are. And so that's not great for kind of
debate and deliberation either. But no, I wouldn't say that
there was any particular moment where I stood up and said,
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whoa watch out now. I don't think I saw that,
But you know, I wasn't everywhere at all times either,
so it's possible somebody said something wild and I visited.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, And it seems like the main issue during this selection,
as it is in most every bit of polling that
I've seen, and not having any polling, although Erica any
standing by has some info for Samanda, but all of
the federal polls that I have seen for the country
talk about affordability. I have to think that's probably going
to be the thing that's going to drive a lot
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of the voters when they do go to the poll.
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah, I think you're I mean, I think here, I
have a good job, a stable job, it pays well.
Every time I go by groceries, I'm like, what in
the actual f And I think that there's a lot
of people who are experiencing that too, who are much
more challenged financially than my household is. I'm one of
the lucky ones. And if I'm finding that to be
a challenge, we know that everybody is. And so yeah,
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I think that, you know, can we afford the things
that are going on? I don't just mean like big
economic picture stuff, I mean can I even afford to
feed my kids? Those are huge questions that are really important,
and I think that those are things that are going
to dominate, you know, how people vote. And I don't
know that any party has an actual solution to all
those things or has come out with a magic bullet,
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magic bean. So we're going to vote with our feelings,
we're going to vote with our anxieties, we're going to
vote with our guts. And that's not a bad thing
in and of itself. But also it doesn't necessarily translate
into policies, right, and so that's the part that's it's
going to be interesting to see how that plays out.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So and before you got about a minute again, I
get the feeling that we're going to end up with
a legislature that's pretty much the same, because I also
don't get the sense that there's a huge appetite for
change out there. Barring surprises over the weekend. There could
be surprises over the weekend. We don't know. There's not
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a lot of data. What's your take on that before
I let you.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Go, Well, I don't think a minority government does a
bad thing. I don't think a legislature with a bigger
opposition than governing party. I think that's actually great, especially
at a time like this, where you know, all the
challenges that are facing this all are actually quite quite
complicated and challenging. And so the more voices we have,
the more eyeballs we have looking at different policy options
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we go on, the better. So if we end up
with a minority government, regardless of what the governing party is,
I call that a win on this level because it
means that you know, there'll be stronger opposition. Now, what
I would like even more is to see all opposition
parties with large enough numbers that they can do a
good job of being an opposition. If you have just
one or two members, it's really earfunding is so low,
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your resources are so low, you can't really do the
research that we need, and so that's not optimal. But
you know, I'm not in charge of anything.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Well, yes, your volleyball team and your kids, so don't
forget that those are important roles. All right, my friend,
you have a great Thanksgiving weekend. Always appreciate, always appreciate
your contributions. All right, That is our friend, doctor Amanda Bittner.
When we come back, we've been building him up. What's
he going to tell us? Eric Granier, the publisher author
of the Writ, Canada's top polls analysts. He'll be with
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us right after the break. It's time been talking about
this for a little while. My next guest, Canada's foremost
polls analyst. I would argue who is the publisher of
the writ. He's been on with us before. That's Eric Granier.
Eric Granier has when a lot of people in Newfomdae
and the Labrador would like to have not the stunning
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good looks or the wisdom and wit. He has that,
but he has seen a poll that tells us what
is happening is in this election campaign thus far. Now,
before I bring Eric on, I just want to say
this again, just because the poll has not been publicly released,
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let's not get all conspiratorial. There are lots of reasons
for that. There are sometimes commercial proprietary reasons. Nonetheless, Eric
has some data. He can speak to it to a degree. Eric,
great to have you. What can you tell.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Us, Well, what I can tell you is that this
was a poll that was commissioned by Global Public Affairs,
so they're a government relations public relations firm, and they
commissioned it from MQO Research, which is a polling firm
that is based out of Atlantic Canada, and it is
a poll that they shared with their clients and I
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have gotten a look at the numbers, and just to
give people a full breakdown of what the poll is.
It is a poll that was conducted between October fourth
and the seventh, so before just before Wednesday's debate, and
they surveyed just over five hundred people both via telephone
and online. So that was how the poll was done.
And it shows that this is a close race.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
It suggests that the Liberals.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Among the decided and leading voters leading voters has a
leading only three points over the PCs, with the NDP
for the back and the third place. So it's a
set of numbers that is very different from the narrative
research poll we saw published just a couple of weeks ago.
And that poll, it should be said, was done in
the middle of the summer, so it was an older
poll kind of out of date when it was published.
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These members suggest this race could be far closer than
those narrative numbers that suggested.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And what are you able to tell us about the
sort of Saint John's breakdown and the rest of the
island breakdown. How do those numbers shape up?
Speaker 5 (25:57):
On the numbers are what I think would have expected
based on these kinds of province wide numbers, that the
Liberals do have more of an advantage in Saint John's.
The NDP is stronger in Saint John's than they are
elsewhere in the province, which is what we would have
guessed anyway. And also that it is a pretty tight
race in the rest of the island of Newfotland. They
didn't release any numbers for Labrador because the sample would
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be very very small, very difficult. Generally speaking. What this
shows is that the Liberals do have a good shot
to hold the seats that they had in Saint John's.
Maybe flip a couple, but it's really about whether they
can hold onto their seats and the rest of the
province that will determine whether they can hold on the
government or not.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And what can you tell us about issue drivers in
this campaign? We know there's been at a higher level
among people who've been part and parcel of previous hydro agreements,
a big push to have the MoU on Churchill Falls
as a central issue. I have never been sure that
that's permeating its way down to the average voder, who's
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probably more concerned about affordability. What can you share on
that front.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
It does seem like it isn't a top issue for voters. Now,
is it a secondary issue? Is it something that they're
also keeping in mind? That really you can't tell from
a poll, but it does suggest that the numbers that
were out from MQO research that and for Global Public Affairs,
that it is primarily cost of living and housing that
are the top issues in New flann Laborador roughly about
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a third of respondents that those are their top issues,
and Churchill Falls the MoU ranked fifth. Only maybe one
in twenty respondents had said that it was a top
issue for them. So I think that does kind of
suggest there is a little bit of a risk for
the Liberals. You know, a lot of their placards that
they've had during the campaign say Churchill Falls m you
write on it. It is a bit of a centerpiece
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of their campaign, but it doesn't seem like it is
a centerpiece for a lot of voters. And I guess
we'll find out if that's going to really bite them
in the end.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
With the data that you have, you do some modeling,
and again I caution nobody's modeling is perfect. It's there's
a lot of air bills. As you point out the
data that you've seen as October fourth, the seventh before
the debate, things may have changed, they may not. But
what can you tell us about what that data that
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you have seen tells you about the forty seat seat
count in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Well, when you look at the numbers problems wide, they're
not all that different from where they were back in
the twenty nineteen elections, and that produced a pretty much
split House and Assembly with the Liberals having nearly a
majority but not quite. The PC has held quite a
few seats. There's the independence and the NP that you
held the balance of power. It does look like that
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could be the same kind of thing now with these
kinds of numbers that we've seen. It's, you know, the
sample size isn't huge, so there is a big margin
of error. If the Liberals end up getting a bit
of a turnout boost, then maybe they get a majority
pretty easily. If instead we see that the PCs he'll
perform what the pulling data shows they could, even with
it is close enough that you can't really say who
is the overwhelming favorite to win, and you can't say
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who whether it's very likely to be majority or minority.
I say, right now, based on the numbers, you would
give the Liberals the edge in terms of winning the
most seats, and that they have the potential to secure
a majority. Beyond that, I'm not sure if you could
say anything with much more certainty based on the numbers.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So you've seen this data, What are you going to
look for over the weekend that you will look to
help inform the way you think about the Newfoundland election?
There's three days left probably people actually probably two, I
don't know. There'll be a lot of campaigning on Thanksgiving
Sunday and or Monday. But what will you be looking
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for over the next few days.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Well, it's always one thing to see where the leaders
are going. I thought it was notable that John Hogan
went to Cornerbrook yesterday I think it was yesterday, Cornerbrook
being one of those bell Weather ridings. Whoever wins it
tends to form the government. So I think that'll be
one of the things to keep an eye on where
the leaders are actually going. And they've spent a lot
of time out of the Avalon Peninsula, which suggests that
they do see that most of the type battles are
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going to be out in Central Newfoundland in Western Newfoundland,
so that'll be one thing to watch see if there
will be any other polls published, because this is a
very data poor election, and you know that a lot
of people would maybe prefer there's no polls whatsoever, but
you know, it is a good thing if voters have
a little bit of an idea what kind of races
they're in the midst of, and also that the information
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that is published is actually reliable, and the more polls
we see, the more of a better idea we can
have of a loo kind of racist is. So I
will be keeping an eye out to see if any
more numbers are going to be published. But on election
night itself, I'm just going to see whether we're going
to see a big difference in terms of who's winning
in around Saint John's and who's winning in the rest
of the province, because I think that that could be
a dynamic that really could be the decisive.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
One last one for it, because I think, again it's
good to give this context. This has been a data
poor election, but there's a reality and you and I've
talked about this before. You don't own polling companies. You
take the data that's publicly provided end or provided to
you privately, as was the case with the MQO polls.
But I mean just for the audience to understand, they
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may be asking why aren't the polls, Why aren't the
polls and Newfoundland, can you just clarify explain to the
audience Eric the challenges and costs associated with polling in
Newfoundland and Labrador.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Yeah, that's the two different things. One is the challenge.
In the rest of the country. You can do an
online poll pretty easily because you can build an online
panel up tens or hundreds of thousands of people and
you can sample from that. In smaller provinces in Newfould Labrador,
the panels just aren't robust enough to have an online pole,
and online polls are one of the cheapest ways to
do poles. So if you don't have that ability to
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do online polls very reliably, that means you have to
use telephone polling. Telephone polling can be very expensive, as
you know as well, and you need to have someone
to put up the money for it. And it doesn't
seem like there is any media interest in terms of
paying for a poll during this campaign, so you needed
to go to more private folks who have a bit
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more means to try to put out some numbers. During
other elections, posters will sometimes self commission their polls because
they're good pr they're good advertising for what they can do.
But again, in a smaller province, fewer eyeballs are going
to see that poll. There's less of a return on
investment of putting those numbers out. So I think that's
why we haven't seen it. Just no one wants to
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pay for it, and it's a bit tougher and more
expensive to polling New Fland, Labador than in a lot
of parts of Canada.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, indeed, it is all right, great to have you Eric,
Thank you as always. I know you will be watching
on Tuesday to see how things all shake out.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Have a nice Thanksgiving weekend, all right, thanks you too.
All right, we are now going to change gears and
I'm glad actually because I need this. That's going to
be my free therapy for the day. I think she's
pretty well equipped to give me free therapy. But we'll see.
But today is World Mental Health Day, and my joking aside,
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it's important to talk about it, and every time we
have the chance, we do, and I always love to
bring on this next guest, and of course that's our
friend doctor Janine Hubbard. Janine, how are you today? If
I were to take a poll, nine times out of ten,
you'd be in a pretty good mood. Eh.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I was going to say, tired and looking forward to
some self care this weekend. It's been a week, but
a lovely way to finish off my Friday.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I will say, well, there you go. I appreciate that,
and mine too. I mean, I think it's funny right
as we're head into Thanksgiving talking to a lot of people,
and a lot of people I talk to are in
the business, in business and doing a lot of business.
A lot of people focused on politics now, and they're tired.
They're actually looking forward to the Thanksgiving weekend as a
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time of self care. But are you seeing that more
that you know, as holiday periods approach, people are I
mean Christmas is a bit different because they're all in
a frenetic, rushed look after family and the like. But
as we come into these holiday periods, do you see
more that people are really needing them?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Well, again, I think there's a few things to keep
in mind. I mean, for some a holiday is actually
going to cause more stress, either just because they are
an individual, whether there are family obligations, whether you're someone
who feels like you need to be preparing a meal
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or entertaining people, and also remembering that while most you know,
a lot of us are very happy to see family
and friends and loved ones, sometimes that's a major trigger
for a lot of people. I also look at, you know,
the social demands, the food and alcohol related focus that
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comes with a lot of holidays. So you know, it's
also one of the those weekends we're looking at boundaries,
and sometimes it is saying, you know what, actually what
I need is really quiet, just because listen, we have
had so much coming at us the last little while,
and the number of people that I've spoken to where
the wildfires occupied so much of August, which often was
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going to be that time to take, and then the
fall started and kids are back at school and everything's
going at full force.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
So I've spoken to a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Of people who just feel that they didn't get to
recharge their batteries in August the way they might typically
because of a lot of the other things going on
and so yeah, and I feel for anyone who's working
on political campaign off to everyone that it's it is listen.
I mean, I always admire anyone willing to put themselves
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forward for public office because it's thankless and exhausting at
the best of times. And we've had two elections going
on here and there are a lot of volunteers who
are you know, and and it's who are just they're tired,
and I'm hoping that they're able to build in, you know,
some rist amongst the you know, the end stretch here.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Let's talk about and thank you for saying that. I
think that's true. Like politics is a grind, it's and
particularly an elections, people just go really hard because they're passionate,
they care about what they're they're advocating for and the
people they're supporting. And people are to be admired for that.
We deride them too often. But let's talk about World
Mental Health Day. We we've talked about it before, But
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why is it important to have a day like today?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Well, and it's interesting in a distinction I always like
to highlight So today is World Mental Health Day, but
this week is actually Mental Will Mental Illness Awareness Weeks.
And we very often talk about mental health, and mental
illness is interchangeable and there are some aspects of it
that are there, but one is kind of looking at again,
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it's like your physical health. We all have periods where
we're healthier or not as healthy, and you know, there's
a lot of things that we can do ourselves within
our own control to kind of you know, like taking
a pause and having you know, being mindful of the
fact that, oh, I'm really feeling overrun. And then there
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is mental illness, which you know, is so much of
a bigger struggle and often kind of gets swept under
the rug with people talking about, oh, well, I'm anxious
and thinking it's the same as someone who has you know,
a generalized anxiety disorder or I'm feeling sad, I'm depressed,
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and someone who has again a clinical depression is sort
of going, no, no, you're not, you're sad, you're a
little stressed. But it looks very, very different, and we
want to make sure that we're talking about both of
those concerns or both of those issues. So that's why
I think it is important to highlight some of these
kind of things. And actually it's interesting because internationally the
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focus for this year is looking at the impact of
things like environmental disasters and events, because I mean, if
you look at anybody this summer, I mean there's so
many things going on climate wise that are contributing to
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overall well being or impacting overall well being. So cachastrophes
and emergencies, that's the focus. There you go. I was
trying to make sure I had the exact writing and
the website that was open on my page rotated.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
That. Claudette will tell you, Judine, I have three screens
going and if one goes off for Crodact, she's got
to clean up the mess. But I'm I'm at rapped
attention with you. I have to ask you on this
World Mental Health and Mental Health Awareness Week because I
know you will be following this. I got pulled into
it this week, so it's a challenge in New Finland
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and Labrador. In Ontario, your college just changed the rules.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I repeat, it's been a long week too.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I got hauled into a discussion so the public will
not be aware. Maybe that in Ontario, the Ontario College
of Psychologists, I don't have the right toime. We can
give it to me in a moment have decided because
the government has encouraged them to pursue this path, that
the qualifications and the requirements to become a recognized psychologist
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in Ontario are going to change. You will not require
the same degree of experience in education. I'm being polite
that you once had. I know a lot of your
peers are anxious about this. Offer us a comment or
maybe I'm not helping your mental health and World Mental
Health Day with this.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Well, I have to be care well because I'm involved
in some national organizations that might have been scrambling like
mad in terms of forming responses. What I will say
is this is a proposal, and I would love to
talk to you about this in more detail at some
point and all kinds of issues related to regulation and training.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
There is a.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Proposal that is on the table. It has a sixty
day time period for feedback and response before things may
be enacted. And actually, one of the things that's been
really interesting, and I can say this is someone who
was born and raised in Ontario. In Ontario, there's often
a lot of internal reflection in thing and not looking
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for the rest of the country to see different models.
And actually, especially in Atlantic Canada, we have provided alternate
models of training with different emphasis that get competencies and
skills to an appropriate level, you know, in different ways.
(41:01):
So I said, listen, this is the I have to
be optimistic on this that we're going to figure out
some ways to make sure that the high quality training
and expertise that people expect from psychologists in this country
will be maintained and standardized as we still work two
ways to assist with mobility across the provinces and again
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looking at ways to you know, continue to increase access
to psychologists. Actually, the side program here at MUN which
was the first English language program in the country, which
is a doctorate in clinical psychology so it's less time
than a traditional PhD but provides a focus on training clinicians,
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is actually a model that you know, can very much
be applied across the country, and there is movement in
that direction. So yay, listen, little News and Land and
Labrador might be leading the way.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Well, and that would be great because I will just
say this and people can go on any of the
search engines find out what the debate in Ontario is about.
While more can be better, it's important that the more
is better before it can be follow that riddle anyway, Janine,
you are awesome. Thank you. You have an excellent Thanksgiving
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be thank you.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
And I needed that comment. So there you go. You
have my mental health for this week.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Here to serve aur you take care of Janine. That's
our friend, doctor Janine Hubbard on this World Mental Health
Day and that story in Ontario. I will have Janine
back on that. I have talked to some psychologists friends
and they are livid. Again. The intent of the government
is good. We know we need more health professionals and
just about every health profession but just because you change
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the requirements doesn't mean that you're going to get the
outcome that you want. There's my other sermon of the day.
When we come back, we'll have a report Linda has
done on a couple that are going to have a
great weekend. They won some tickets to see the Jays
play back with that in a moment. The Tim Power
Show shoing the conversation weekday afternoons at four pm on
(43:16):
your VOCM. Last segment for you and it's a positive one. Boy,
I wouldn't you love to be this couple? So a
couple from Mont Pearl had the opportunity of a lifetime
when they were picked as the grand prize winners of
Rogers Beyond the Seat contest. Laurie Squib and Francis re
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are lifelong Blue Jays fans and one round trip airfare
to Toronto, two tickets to see a game, and accommodations
at the Rogers Center Marriott. That's a great hotel by
the way, to take in the first game of the
East Division Championship Series. Laurie Squib speaks with the theo
CMS Linda Swing.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
A couple of weeks ago, I entered a content test
online and you know, you enter these contests all the
time and you never really think anything of it. It
was the contest offered by Rogers has been a customer
for over thirty years, so it was open to any
of their customers across Canada, and the grand prize was
a trip to Toronto, flights, hotel, merchandise, tickets to the
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opening game of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Fantastic.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
What was the experience like, Oh my goodness. I mean,
we've been Blue Jays fans for forty plus years since
I was a kid. We've watched every game on TV,
have never seen one live in person. So it was
absolutely incredible and of all times to win, you know,
the playoffs. The atmosphere was just crazy. Oh for sure,
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it must be electric in that stadium. Yeah, and it's
not just a stadium, you feel it over the whole city.
We got there Friday morning, so we had a couple
of days and everywhere you go, businesses have you know,
go blue Jay signs in the window, everyone's wearing Blue
Jay shirts or it's you can feel it everywhere.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Did you get to meet any of the players.
Speaker 6 (45:05):
We didn't know. We didn't. We were We met a
bunch of people from Rogers. They kept contacting us all
weekend to make sure we were all good. We had
everything we needed. We were treated so well. We did
not meet any of the players, unfortunately, but that certainly
didn't take away.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
From the experience.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
But you were so close. It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
You know.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
We had our own little private Roger seating area. There
were four seats in there. We had a little table.
Just about everybody around us in the area we're in
we're standing room only, but we had this little private
area and they did videos and pictures. They did a
little promo video with us, So yeah, we it was
like a dream come true. Even now we're home a
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few days and I still can't believe it happened.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
So who's your favorite player?
Speaker 6 (45:55):
Oh, that's so hard. I already had two jerseys, Springer
and Vladdie, and while we were up there, they gave
us another one. So I got Kirk this time. But
that's one thing about this team this year. They really
do play as a team. You know, it's not all right,
you know one player, everybody does their purse. And I think
they can go all the way.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah, so obviously you're rooting for them now heading into
the finals.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
So what do you think, Oh.
Speaker 6 (46:25):
They can do it. This is their year. If there's
any year, this is it. I mean, they put out
the Yankees. Come on, they can beat anybody.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Laurie.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
I really appreciate your time. Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (46:35):
Thank you for talking to me, and thank you. I
had to send out a big thank you to Rogers.
They treated us like royalty. We had an amazing weekend
and go Blue Jays.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
There you go. Laurie's right, and I got that wrong.
She had been previously at the beginning of the Yankee
series and they beat the Yankees. Mighty Yankees, What an
awesome trip that was. And thank you Linda for the interview.
All right, I hope you have enjoyed the show over
the course of the weekend, over the course of the election.
We will of course be back on Tuesday as the
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votes are being cast. Everyone have a great Thanksgiving weekend.
Big thanks to Claudette and Greg Smith. Talk to you
on Tuesday. Have a great weekend.
This is the Tim Power Show on your VOCM. The
views and opinions of this program are not necessarily those
of the station. Here's Tim. Hey everybody, Friday, October tenth,
leading into the long Thanksgiving weekend. Glad you are with us.
We've got lots on this show, including a little bit
(00:21):
of news. Yeah. Remember that poll that was supposed to
be going public. Alex Marlin talked about it, others talked
about it. Well, apparently it's not going to go public,
But there is, in fact a poll. I have not
seen it myself, but I have a guest coming on
at four point thirty. Eric Renier of the Writ, one
(00:42):
of Canada's, if not Canada's, foremost poll polls analyst. He
has seen it and he's going to talk about some
of what he has seen. Not going to ruin it
for you, but the scuttle butt that has been about
in finlandon Labrador about the election being close seems to
(01:02):
be accurate. You'll have to hang on until four thirty
to hear what Eric has for you and what he
is able to share. So he's seen the newest tranch
of data, the only tranch of data that well, I'm
sure there's been others the parties to get pieces of data,
(01:23):
but Eric has has has some information for us. All
gonna want to hang tough for that at four thirty. Now,
what else is going on today before we get into
the lineup, Well, how about the Prime minister. A seems
everybody before Thanksgiving needs to tell us some things that
(01:46):
will make us feel a little bit better as we
get around the Thanksgiving table. And the Prime Minister did
that today. Didn't give a ton of details, but you
heard Brian play at the clip. Perhaps the most interesting
thing there and something that will be popular. Prime Minister
has said that the National School Food Program is going
to be a permanent thing. My understanding of that program
(02:11):
and where it came from, it was wildly popular across
the Liberal caucus and they had originally lobbied for it
with Justin Trudeau in office, and of course he brought
it in. Prime Minister seems to be wise enough at
a time when some are questioning how effective he is
with the United States to lock down some caucus support
(02:33):
and do something that's good by coming forward with a
continuation on a permanent basis of the National School Food Program.
So again the Prime Minister shows he does have some
political chops and continues to learn on the job despite
the criticism that is out there about their not being
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anything yet from the United States. So one little observation there,
the other observation NHL just diverging here entirely. Watch my
first regular season game last night. No it wasn't the
Leafs are the Canadians, but the Senators, and they won
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five to four. Came back, they were down by a
couple of goals for a long time and just fought back,
fop back and one Watch out Toronto, watch out Smitty
and all you Toronto acolytes. These guys could be for
real this year. We'll make for some great hockey. And
of course the Jays will face the winner of Seattle
and the Tigers tonight and their arms, their bullpen arms,
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their starting pitchers arms will be rested. This will be
a longer series. When it starts on Sunday, it will
be four out of seven. So who they activate and
do all of that will be interesting to watch. Interesting
also to watch the news of the three Newfoundland activists
(04:00):
who are apparently detained by Israeli forces. The Premier has
raised this issue with the Minister of Foreign affairs. We're
staying on top of that as well, hoping everyone is safe.
It still remains even though there seems to be some
significant steps to peace made, seems to be a tenuous,
volatile situation. So all those things will be watching and look.
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I hope over the course of the weekend two everybody,
everybody's a good think about how they're going to vote,
and I hope the turnout is good. I mean, I
was just on a show with Eric Grenny, and I
think the consensus we had at that time was right.
Now there doesn't seem to be a high level of engagement,
and that makes sense. There may be a little bit
(04:44):
of electoral fatigue. But for your own purposes, vote, vote,
vote for whoever you think it's important to vote for,
and make sure you've thought about it. But it is
worth voting. People have died for. Look around Saint John's
and across the island in Laborador and you'll see memorials
about people who fought to protect democracy. There's my little sermon.
(05:05):
So what do we got coming up? In about a minute,
we're gonna have our friend Richard Dugging on to talk
about what's planned on Tuesday for our election. Coverage, what
he's seeing and hearing today on the campaign trail, if
there's any more fights and grand falls windsdor among the candidates.
We talk to Richard. We'll talk to Amanda Bittner to
get her final thoughts heading into the campaign. What she
(05:26):
thought of the debate. Our online poll yesterday survey demonstrated
that most people didn't think too much about it, even
though we have a new story about some people applauding
the civil nature of the provincial election campaign and good
on that. But that's important. But was the debate a mover?
We'll ask Amanda. Then we will have Eric Grenier and
(05:49):
he'll tell us what he can about what he has seen.
Then it's also World Mental Health Day, and I wanted
to talk to our friend doctor Janine Hubbard. And we're
gonna play does interview with the Mount Pearl couple who
won a trip of a lifetime to the Blue Jays
playoff game. We'll have all of that on the show,
but let's start with the man, the legend, the award winner,
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Richard Doug and Richard, how are you.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I'm doing good, Tim How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Oh? I am sure we're in the same place. Richard
looking forward to the weekend with an eye on the election,
eyes on the screen Blue Jays and hockey, waiting for
it to be Tuesday night, to see where we are
and what's all done. What about you, I mean, what
do you got planned for the weekend? Are you working
all weekend getting ready for Tuesday night's coverage?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well, I guess in the sense Tim, I'm always working
in one capacity or but I'm going to be spending
some time with family. You mentioned you were watching the
Senns game last night. Well, I'm a Habs fan, so
I watched our grade five to wait one. Yeah, they
did win, and I'm hoping for another win tomorrow night.
So I'll be doing some of that and join a
bit of downtime now before everything ramps right up on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Ramp up it will, indeed, before we get to Tuesday night, Richard,
Today's be a pretty quiet day on the campaign trail.
It seems they've all been focusing on getting out the vote.
What do you know about today's activities?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yes, absolutely, so I'll start where I was today. I
went to the NDP. They held a rally down in
Harborside Park in downtown Saint John's and it was sort
of there, you know, I guess, one last big rallying
cry before they head into the weekend. They're going to
be focusing on door knocking and just you know, general
(07:39):
campaign activities over the course of the weekend. But this
was really their last big rally ahead of Tuesday night,
rallying the troops. You get the sense that they have
a lot of positivity heading into this election. It'll be
interesting to see how things play out for the NDP
come Tuesday night. As of right now, in the last election,
they have two seats. Jordan Brown left provincial politics and
(08:02):
now he is the mayor of lav City, so an
open seat there, so we'll see how things play out
for them. That was really it for the NDP, just
that rally and sort of rallying the troops that one
final time the people just.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Before you leave there, just before you leave there, So
Harborside Park down by my mother's house, which means it's
in Saint John's E's Kitty Vitty. I assume no coincidence
there because that is the target seat that Jim dinn
would like to get. Right. Sheila O'Leary versus John Whale
and John Abbott held that seat. What are you hearing
about the chances there for the NDP, Richard.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
You know, it's interesting, Tim there. I can't living in
the metro region, I can't get a really good sense
of any one district leaning one way or another. Even
I live in Saint John's West, and you know, you
go down certain side streets or certain areas and there's
a smattering of blue, and then a couple of streets
up there's a smattering of red, and I think that's
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really the general consensus across a lot of the districts.
Of course, the NDP are very hopeful Shielo O'Leary a
high profile candidate for them in that district. Certainly if
you look through if you take a drive through that
district again, I think it's the same thing, sort of
a smattering of signs for different candidates. You can't really
(09:25):
get a sense just by driving through how things are
playing out, you know. So I think it's going to
be interesting just overall in that sense of seeing how
things play out, because really there have been elections in
the past where you sort of have a sense in
certain districts you could say, okay, there's the front runner
(09:46):
not getting a whole lot of that in a lot
of the districts around town lately. I think that when
you say three ray three way race, I think it
really is that way in a lot of cases right now.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, that could be the case. So sorry I cut
you off. You're about to go to the PC's what
were they up to today?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, So PC leader Tony Wakem is making a drive
back across the province right now. Of course, the destination
is his home district down in Stephenville Port of Port
for Tuesday nights. So today he was in Grandfall's Windsor
for a rally earlier today on He's going to be
in Deer Lake in a couple of hours for another rally.
(10:24):
Then tomorrow he's heading up the Northern Peninsula for some
activities there. Then I think things kind of quiet down
a little bit and then as he heads back for
his district there on Tuesday night. As for the Liberals,
they did hold an announcement today. Premier Liberal leader John
Hogan rather was in Lewispoort today. He made a couple
(10:46):
of education announcements. No big surprises in there. Everything that
was announced I think was in the red Book that
was released earlier this week. So I think the campaign
is sort of winding down in a lot of ways.
All the big announcements are done, and now it's electioneering
and door knocking over the next couple of days now
in preparation for Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, you got to get the votes out if you're
going to win seats, and all of the all the
parties will do what they call the g O TV
get out the Vote campaign. I know, before I ask
you about Tuesday, you can want to stay tuned, Richard,
because Eric Grenie is coming on. He has seen that
famous MQO poll that is now not going to be released.
And before people get conspiratorial, there's lots of reasons why
(11:28):
poles may not be released, particularly if they're done for
private clients. But Eric has seen it. He's going to
tell us a little bit about what's in there, and
I think people will find it interesting. That's the preview
to hang on. But you give us the preview about Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, absolutely, So on Tuesday, you're going to you're going
to want to be locked v OCM from eight o'clock
onward because we're gonna have live election coverage throughout the evening.
We're going to have folks here in the studio breaking
down results from around the province. We have people out
on the ground, so I'm going to be with the
Liberal campaign on Tuesday night to see how things shake
(12:03):
out for John Hogan and his crowd. We have Jerry
Lynn Mackie, she's going to be out on the West
coast down in Stevenville with the PCs and Tony Wakem
and we're going to have our very own Brian Callahan.
He's going to be with Jim Din and the NDP
here in town as well, and we're going to be
live throughout the evening until we can I guess, until
(12:23):
we can call it. And the other important point that
I'd like to make Tim is well we'll have you
know everything on air. We're also going to have an
online component as well, so vo CM Zach Power is
going to be handling our website that night, and so
if you do miss some of the results on air,
if there's anything that you do miss, you can head
(12:44):
over to VOCM dot com and we'll have the full
breakdown for you there, district by district. It's all hands
on deck for us here in the newsroom for Tuesday night, Tim,
and it's certainly going to be an interesting one to
watch how it all plays out.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, and people, I want to listen, as I say
at four thirty, to hear how interesting it could be. Richard,
appreciate the time. You have a great weekend, my friend.
Thank you, excellent, Thanks Tim all right. That is our
news director, Richard Duggan with us. Great to have Richard.
Great to have the work that he's done, Zax done,
Linda's done, Brian's done, the Brian Callahan's done, everybody's done.
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Fully vested and you want to stay tuned on Tuesday
night for the whole VOCM broadcast. When we come back,
we're going to talk to our friend doctor Amanda Bittner
to get her thoughts as we go into the final
days of this campaign about where it's haded. Standby for
that in a moment here on the Tim Power Show,
(13:42):
Welcome back. Delighted to have my next guest. She was
coaching yesterday, which always comes first with she and I
and that of course the doctor Amanda Bittner. Amanda, Boy,
we're at the bitder and now three days to go.
I don't know, Bitter, I just feel I feel a
what I think the public feels a little bit. It
seems to be just like an engagement deficit. Maybe will
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be proven wrong on Tuesday night and that will be great,
and the turnout will be sky high and there will
be all kinds of things we didn't expect. But right now,
it just feels like we're getting to the end of
an election that had to happen but has not been
as enthusiastic and energetic as maybe it could have, should
have would have been for a whole bunch of reasons.
(14:27):
I don't know. Am I just cranky as I head
into the Thanksgiving weekend? What's your take on this whole journey?
Don't hold back either, I mean, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I mean, if anybody knows the pulse, it's you, Like
I think that you're right. So my vibe that I
get from around is similar to what you're describing here,
which is I think, you know, it's been a long
year of thinking about politics a lot, and that has
started since January with all of Trump's you know, nonsense,
and so then you know, here we are, three elections later.
(15:00):
We always knew it was going to be three elections,
and that's both exciting and also annoying, right and so
part of the challenge is here we are at the
end and there's a lot of stuff that still have
to happen, and there's lots of complex policy need to
be done, and this is really important. We want to
have governments that are energetic and good to go and excited.
(15:21):
And unfortunately, I think the voters are not energetic right now,
but that doesn't mean they don't care about this, right So,
you know, I think we all want to be able
to just go back to our regular lives and not
think about all the stuff that's going on. The problem
is election day comes, next day comes, We're still going
to have a lot of things stuff to think about
and hard problems in front of us. And so that,
(15:43):
you know, I'm hoping that even if voters aren't energetic,
that those who represent us are.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, they're going to have to be because look, we're
still going to have and this has been a topic
in the election, though I don't think it's taken off
in the way anybody thought it may have. Whether you're
opposed to or against, We're still gonna have chue chill
falls in the MoU to deal with too, right Like, regardless, feel.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Concerned about what that means and what's going on and
what to do about it and what we should understand,
and it's all it's all hard to know, right, And
so I think that voters are frustrated by that too,
because I don't think we have more answers now.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Than we did at the start of those campaigns.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
And honestly, nor could we have on one level. But
at the same time, I think that a lot of
folks are looking for leadership on this issue, and so
my hope is that after this selection we'll see a
bit more of that, more information, more clarity on some
of the kind of components that folks are arguing over.
(16:45):
And I mean, that's all we can do, right is
take information and do something with it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Speaking of information, and again, I'm trying to get out
of this cranky move because I'm actually looking forward to
the weekend, having a bit of a break, doing some
stuff my son and just unplugging for a bit. But
that debate, for me, look, it was very low energy,
and a lot of that was deliberate, and I like
(17:12):
the fact that, you know, we have a more civil
tone and it's not just about theater. But I don't know,
certainly the listeners to VOCM based on our online sampling yesterday,
didn't view the debate as moving them to a particular
place or influencing their vote. What was your take on that?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
So I listened to it, I didn't watch it. I
was driving my kids around to various sports and arts
and stuff, and so I had it on the car
for like the whole hour and a half. And you know,
there were a few moments that I thought, Okay, that's good,
that's good, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
But I agree with you, like.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
The overall tone was kind of quiet. There wasn't a
lot of combat. And I think because we have a
pretty good sense of these three leaders, we know them
pretty well at this point, right, And yes, John Hope
is a new premier, and yes the movie or the party,
but he's been around for a long time and he's
a well known, he's a very well spoken figure. We
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weren't learning a lot about him today's guess or at
that debate, is what I'm saying. And so, did you
need to listen to it or watch it?
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Maybe not.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I don't know that we learned that much new from
that debate. It's important to have debates because it's a
chance for them to, you know, to really challenge each other,
to really push buttons and see how people can react
to that and actually press on certain issues. And I
didn't get a good feel for that part. I thought
we could have gotten more information out of it. But
I mean also I enjoyed debates because I'm a weirdo,
(18:35):
and so we got some that in mind too.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Well, yeah, let's star in the weirdo club. Tell me, though,
is there anything in this campaign that has stood out
and screamed at you like, yeah, this person got it
right and we need to pay attention to that. Because
it was almost as if the playbooks again were identical.
One day everybody would announced something about crime. One day
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everybody would announce something about affordability, one day they would
announce something about healthcare. Nobody really talked about fiscal responsibility
and how we're going to manage the deficit and debt
burdens that we have. That was almost like, yeah, we'll
worry about that late. But was there anything that stood
out to you and said geez, that really took me
by surprise or I hope people listen to what this
(19:22):
person said.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, that's a really good question. I'm rocking my brain
right now. So I don't think.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I think that what we got is I mean, you've
been thinking about politics for a long time. I've been
thinking about it for a long time. I think that
what we saw was an election campaign that fits with
what we might have predicted. Yeah, and so that's you know,
on one hand, okay, they're following a playbook of like
clear messaging on one level, talking about crime in different ways,
as you point out, talking about healthcare, Shore, all this
(19:50):
stuff is important. Are there big, major real solutions that
have been put forward? Maybe? Are they going to happen?
I don't know. Can they afford them?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
And so this is that part I think too, where
you know, had we had the full platforms early on costed,
we could have then talked about the nitty gritty a
little bit more in more detail, and instead we just
kind of got them a few days ago and here
we are. And so that's not great for kind of
debate and deliberation either. But no, I wouldn't say that
there was any particular moment where I stood up and said,
(20:22):
whoa watch out now. I don't think I saw that,
But you know, I wasn't everywhere at all times either,
so it's possible somebody said something wild and I visited.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, And it seems like the main issue during this selection,
as it is in most every bit of polling that
I've seen, and not having any polling, although Erica any
standing by has some info for Samanda, but all of
the federal polls that I have seen for the country
talk about affordability. I have to think that's probably going
to be the thing that's going to drive a lot
(20:55):
of the voters when they do go to the poll.
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah, I think you're I mean, I think here, I
have a good job, a stable job, it pays well.
Every time I go by groceries, I'm like, what in
the actual f And I think that there's a lot
of people who are experiencing that too, who are much
more challenged financially than my household is. I'm one of
the lucky ones. And if I'm finding that to be
a challenge, we know that everybody is. And so yeah,
(21:21):
I think that, you know, can we afford the things
that are going on? I don't just mean like big
economic picture stuff, I mean can I even afford to
feed my kids? Those are huge questions that are really important,
and I think that those are things that are going
to dominate, you know, how people vote. And I don't
know that any party has an actual solution to all
those things or has come out with a magic bullet,
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magic bean. So we're going to vote with our feelings,
we're going to vote with our anxieties, we're going to
vote with our guts. And that's not a bad thing
in and of itself. But also it doesn't necessarily translate
into policies, right, and so that's the part that's it's
going to be interesting to see how that plays out.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So and before you got about a minute again, I
get the feeling that we're going to end up with
a legislature that's pretty much the same, because I also
don't get the sense that there's a huge appetite for
change out there. Barring surprises over the weekend. There could
be surprises over the weekend. We don't know. There's not
(22:22):
a lot of data. What's your take on that before
I let you.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Go, Well, I don't think a minority government does a
bad thing. I don't think a legislature with a bigger
opposition than governing party. I think that's actually great, especially
at a time like this, where you know, all the
challenges that are facing this all are actually quite quite
complicated and challenging. And so the more voices we have,
the more eyeballs we have looking at different policy options
(22:47):
we go on, the better. So if we end up
with a minority government, regardless of what the governing party is,
I call that a win on this level because it
means that you know, there'll be stronger opposition. Now, what
I would like even more is to see all opposition
parties with large enough numbers that they can do a
good job of being an opposition. If you have just
one or two members, it's really earfunding is so low,
(23:10):
your resources are so low, you can't really do the
research that we need, and so that's not optimal. But
you know, I'm not in charge of anything.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Well, yes, your volleyball team and your kids, so don't
forget that those are important roles. All right, my friend,
you have a great Thanksgiving weekend. Always appreciate, always appreciate
your contributions. All right, That is our friend, doctor Amanda Bittner.
When we come back, we've been building him up. What's
he going to tell us? Eric Granier, the publisher author
of the Writ, Canada's top polls analysts. He'll be with
(23:42):
us right after the break. It's time been talking about
this for a little while. My next guest, Canada's foremost
polls analyst. I would argue who is the publisher of
the writ. He's been on with us before. That's Eric Granier.
Eric Granier has when a lot of people in Newfomdae
and the Labrador would like to have not the stunning
(24:02):
good looks or the wisdom and wit. He has that,
but he has seen a poll that tells us what
is happening is in this election campaign thus far. Now,
before I bring Eric on, I just want to say
this again, just because the poll has not been publicly released,
(24:23):
let's not get all conspiratorial. There are lots of reasons
for that. There are sometimes commercial proprietary reasons. Nonetheless, Eric
has some data. He can speak to it to a degree. Eric,
great to have you. What can you tell.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Us, Well, what I can tell you is that this
was a poll that was commissioned by Global Public Affairs,
so they're a government relations public relations firm, and they
commissioned it from MQO Research, which is a polling firm
that is based out of Atlantic Canada, and it is
a poll that they shared with their clients and I
(25:00):
have gotten a look at the numbers, and just to
give people a full breakdown of what the poll is.
It is a poll that was conducted between October fourth
and the seventh, so before just before Wednesday's debate, and
they surveyed just over five hundred people both via telephone
and online. So that was how the poll was done.
And it shows that this is a close race.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
It suggests that the Liberals.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Among the decided and leading voters leading voters has a
leading only three points over the PCs, with the NDP
for the back and the third place. So it's a
set of numbers that is very different from the narrative
research poll we saw published just a couple of weeks ago.
And that poll, it should be said, was done in
the middle of the summer, so it was an older
poll kind of out of date when it was published.
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These members suggest this race could be far closer than
those narrative numbers that suggested.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And what are you able to tell us about the
sort of Saint John's breakdown and the rest of the
island breakdown. How do those numbers shape up?
Speaker 5 (25:57):
On the numbers are what I think would have expected
based on these kinds of province wide numbers, that the
Liberals do have more of an advantage in Saint John's.
The NDP is stronger in Saint John's than they are
elsewhere in the province, which is what we would have
guessed anyway. And also that it is a pretty tight
race in the rest of the island of Newfotland. They
didn't release any numbers for Labrador because the sample would
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be very very small, very difficult. Generally speaking. What this
shows is that the Liberals do have a good shot
to hold the seats that they had in Saint John's.
Maybe flip a couple, but it's really about whether they
can hold onto their seats and the rest of the
province that will determine whether they can hold on the
government or not.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And what can you tell us about issue drivers in
this campaign? We know there's been at a higher level
among people who've been part and parcel of previous hydro agreements,
a big push to have the MoU on Churchill Falls
as a central issue. I have never been sure that
that's permeating its way down to the average voder, who's
(26:58):
probably more concerned about affordability. What can you share on
that front.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
It does seem like it isn't a top issue for voters. Now,
is it a secondary issue? Is it something that they're
also keeping in mind? That really you can't tell from
a poll, but it does suggest that the numbers that
were out from MQO research that and for Global Public Affairs,
that it is primarily cost of living and housing that
are the top issues in New flann Laborador roughly about
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a third of respondents that those are their top issues,
and Churchill Falls the MoU ranked fifth. Only maybe one
in twenty respondents had said that it was a top
issue for them. So I think that does kind of
suggest there is a little bit of a risk for
the Liberals. You know, a lot of their placards that
they've had during the campaign say Churchill Falls m you
write on it. It is a bit of a centerpiece
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of their campaign, but it doesn't seem like it is
a centerpiece for a lot of voters. And I guess
we'll find out if that's going to really bite them
in the end.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
With the data that you have, you do some modeling,
and again I caution nobody's modeling is perfect. It's there's
a lot of air bills. As you point out the
data that you've seen as October fourth, the seventh before
the debate, things may have changed, they may not. But
what can you tell us about what that data that
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you have seen tells you about the forty seat seat
count in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Well, when you look at the numbers problems wide, they're
not all that different from where they were back in
the twenty nineteen elections, and that produced a pretty much
split House and Assembly with the Liberals having nearly a
majority but not quite. The PC has held quite a
few seats. There's the independence and the NP that you
held the balance of power. It does look like that
(28:43):
could be the same kind of thing now with these
kinds of numbers that we've seen. It's, you know, the
sample size isn't huge, so there is a big margin
of error. If the Liberals end up getting a bit
of a turnout boost, then maybe they get a majority
pretty easily. If instead we see that the PCs he'll
perform what the pulling data shows they could, even with
it is close enough that you can't really say who
is the overwhelming favorite to win, and you can't say
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who whether it's very likely to be majority or minority.
I say, right now, based on the numbers, you would
give the Liberals the edge in terms of winning the
most seats, and that they have the potential to secure
a majority. Beyond that, I'm not sure if you could
say anything with much more certainty based on the numbers.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So you've seen this data, What are you going to
look for over the weekend that you will look to
help inform the way you think about the Newfoundland election?
There's three days left probably people actually probably two, I
don't know. There'll be a lot of campaigning on Thanksgiving
Sunday and or Monday. But what will you be looking
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for over the next few days.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Well, it's always one thing to see where the leaders
are going. I thought it was notable that John Hogan
went to Cornerbrook yesterday I think it was yesterday, Cornerbrook
being one of those bell Weather ridings. Whoever wins it
tends to form the government. So I think that'll be
one of the things to keep an eye on where
the leaders are actually going. And they've spent a lot
of time out of the Avalon Peninsula, which suggests that
they do see that most of the type battles are
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going to be out in Central Newfoundland in Western Newfoundland,
so that'll be one thing to watch see if there
will be any other polls published, because this is a
very data poor election, and you know that a lot
of people would maybe prefer there's no polls whatsoever, but
you know, it is a good thing if voters have
a little bit of an idea what kind of races
they're in the midst of, and also that the information
(30:28):
that is published is actually reliable, and the more polls
we see, the more of a better idea we can
have of a loo kind of racist is. So I
will be keeping an eye out to see if any
more numbers are going to be published. But on election
night itself, I'm just going to see whether we're going
to see a big difference in terms of who's winning
in around Saint John's and who's winning in the rest
of the province, because I think that that could be
a dynamic that really could be the decisive.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
One last one for it, because I think, again it's
good to give this context. This has been a data
poor election, but there's a reality and you and I've
talked about this before. You don't own polling companies. You
take the data that's publicly provided end or provided to
you privately, as was the case with the MQO polls.
But I mean just for the audience to understand, they
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may be asking why aren't the polls, Why aren't the
polls and Newfoundland, can you just clarify explain to the
audience Eric the challenges and costs associated with polling in
Newfoundland and Labrador.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Yeah, that's the two different things. One is the challenge.
In the rest of the country. You can do an
online poll pretty easily because you can build an online
panel up tens or hundreds of thousands of people and
you can sample from that. In smaller provinces in Newfould Labrador,
the panels just aren't robust enough to have an online pole,
and online polls are one of the cheapest ways to
do poles. So if you don't have that ability to
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do online polls very reliably, that means you have to
use telephone polling. Telephone polling can be very expensive, as
you know as well, and you need to have someone
to put up the money for it. And it doesn't
seem like there is any media interest in terms of
paying for a poll during this campaign, so you needed
to go to more private folks who have a bit
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more means to try to put out some numbers. During
other elections, posters will sometimes self commission their polls because
they're good pr they're good advertising for what they can do.
But again, in a smaller province, fewer eyeballs are going
to see that poll. There's less of a return on
investment of putting those numbers out. So I think that's
why we haven't seen it. Just no one wants to
(32:27):
pay for it, and it's a bit tougher and more
expensive to polling New Fland, Labador than in a lot
of parts of Canada.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, indeed, it is all right, great to have you Eric,
Thank you as always. I know you will be watching
on Tuesday to see how things all shake out.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Have a nice Thanksgiving weekend, all right, thanks you too.
All right, we are now going to change gears and
I'm glad actually because I need this. That's going to
be my free therapy for the day. I think she's
pretty well equipped to give me free therapy. But we'll see.
But today is World Mental Health Day, and my joking aside,
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it's important to talk about it, and every time we
have the chance, we do, and I always love to
bring on this next guest, and of course that's our
friend doctor Janine Hubbard. Janine, how are you today? If
I were to take a poll, nine times out of ten,
you'd be in a pretty good mood. Eh.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I was going to say, tired and looking forward to
some self care this weekend. It's been a week, but
a lovely way to finish off my Friday.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I will say, well, there you go. I appreciate that,
and mine too. I mean, I think it's funny right
as we're head into Thanksgiving talking to a lot of people,
and a lot of people I talk to are in
the business, in business and doing a lot of business.
A lot of people focused on politics now, and they're tired.
They're actually looking forward to the Thanksgiving weekend as a
(33:53):
time of self care. But are you seeing that more
that you know, as holiday periods approach, people are I
mean Christmas is a bit different because they're all in
a frenetic, rushed look after family and the like. But
as we come into these holiday periods, do you see
more that people are really needing them?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Well, again, I think there's a few things to keep
in mind. I mean, for some a holiday is actually
going to cause more stress, either just because they are
an individual, whether there are family obligations, whether you're someone
who feels like you need to be preparing a meal
(34:33):
or entertaining people, and also remembering that while most you know,
a lot of us are very happy to see family
and friends and loved ones, sometimes that's a major trigger
for a lot of people. I also look at, you know,
the social demands, the food and alcohol related focus that
(34:55):
comes with a lot of holidays. So you know, it's
also one of the those weekends we're looking at boundaries,
and sometimes it is saying, you know what, actually what
I need is really quiet, just because listen, we have
had so much coming at us the last little while,
and the number of people that I've spoken to where
the wildfires occupied so much of August, which often was
(35:19):
going to be that time to take, and then the
fall started and kids are back at school and everything's
going at full force.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
So I've spoken to a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Of people who just feel that they didn't get to
recharge their batteries in August the way they might typically
because of a lot of the other things going on
and so yeah, and I feel for anyone who's working
on political campaign off to everyone that it's it is listen.
I mean, I always admire anyone willing to put themselves
(35:48):
forward for public office because it's thankless and exhausting at
the best of times. And we've had two elections going
on here and there are a lot of volunteers who
are you know, and and it's who are just they're tired,
and I'm hoping that they're able to build in, you know,
some rist amongst the you know, the end stretch here.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Let's talk about and thank you for saying that. I
think that's true. Like politics is a grind, it's and
particularly an elections, people just go really hard because they're passionate,
they care about what they're they're advocating for and the
people they're supporting. And people are to be admired for that.
We deride them too often. But let's talk about World
Mental Health Day. We we've talked about it before, But
(36:34):
why is it important to have a day like today?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Well, and it's interesting in a distinction I always like
to highlight So today is World Mental Health Day, but
this week is actually Mental Will Mental Illness Awareness Weeks.
And we very often talk about mental health, and mental
illness is interchangeable and there are some aspects of it
that are there, but one is kind of looking at again,
(37:02):
it's like your physical health. We all have periods where
we're healthier or not as healthy, and you know, there's
a lot of things that we can do ourselves within
our own control to kind of you know, like taking
a pause and having you know, being mindful of the
fact that, oh, I'm really feeling overrun. And then there
(37:22):
is mental illness, which you know, is so much of
a bigger struggle and often kind of gets swept under
the rug with people talking about, oh, well, I'm anxious
and thinking it's the same as someone who has you know,
a generalized anxiety disorder or I'm feeling sad, I'm depressed,
(37:42):
and someone who has again a clinical depression is sort
of going, no, no, you're not, you're sad, you're a
little stressed. But it looks very, very different, and we
want to make sure that we're talking about both of
those concerns or both of those issues. So that's why
I think it is important to highlight some of these
kind of things. And actually it's interesting because internationally the
(38:05):
focus for this year is looking at the impact of
things like environmental disasters and events, because I mean, if
you look at anybody this summer, I mean there's so
many things going on climate wise that are contributing to
(38:25):
overall well being or impacting overall well being. So cachastrophes
and emergencies, that's the focus. There you go. I was
trying to make sure I had the exact writing and
the website that was open on my page rotated.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
That. Claudette will tell you, Judine, I have three screens
going and if one goes off for Crodact, she's got
to clean up the mess. But I'm I'm at rapped
attention with you. I have to ask you on this
World Mental Health and Mental Health Awareness Week because I
know you will be following this. I got pulled into
it this week, so it's a challenge in New Finland
(39:04):
and Labrador. In Ontario, your college just changed the rules.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I repeat, it's been a long week too.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I got hauled into a discussion so the public will
not be aware. Maybe that in Ontario, the Ontario College
of Psychologists, I don't have the right toime. We can
give it to me in a moment have decided because
the government has encouraged them to pursue this path, that
the qualifications and the requirements to become a recognized psychologist
(39:38):
in Ontario are going to change. You will not require
the same degree of experience in education. I'm being polite
that you once had. I know a lot of your
peers are anxious about this. Offer us a comment or
maybe I'm not helping your mental health and World Mental
Health Day with this.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Well, I have to be care well because I'm involved
in some national organizations that might have been scrambling like
mad in terms of forming responses. What I will say
is this is a proposal, and I would love to
talk to you about this in more detail at some
point and all kinds of issues related to regulation and training.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
There is a.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Proposal that is on the table. It has a sixty
day time period for feedback and response before things may
be enacted. And actually, one of the things that's been
really interesting, and I can say this is someone who
was born and raised in Ontario. In Ontario, there's often
a lot of internal reflection in thing and not looking
(40:39):
for the rest of the country to see different models.
And actually, especially in Atlantic Canada, we have provided alternate
models of training with different emphasis that get competencies and
skills to an appropriate level, you know, in different ways.
(41:01):
So I said, listen, this is the I have to
be optimistic on this that we're going to figure out
some ways to make sure that the high quality training
and expertise that people expect from psychologists in this country
will be maintained and standardized as we still work two
ways to assist with mobility across the provinces and again
(41:23):
looking at ways to you know, continue to increase access
to psychologists. Actually, the side program here at MUN which
was the first English language program in the country, which
is a doctorate in clinical psychology so it's less time
than a traditional PhD but provides a focus on training clinicians,
(41:48):
is actually a model that you know, can very much
be applied across the country, and there is movement in
that direction. So yay, listen, little News and Land and
Labrador might be leading the way.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Well, and that would be great because I will just
say this and people can go on any of the
search engines find out what the debate in Ontario is about.
While more can be better, it's important that the more
is better before it can be follow that riddle anyway, Janine,
you are awesome. Thank you. You have an excellent Thanksgiving
(42:24):
be thank you.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
And I needed that comment. So there you go. You
have my mental health for this week.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Here to serve aur you take care of Janine. That's
our friend, doctor Janine Hubbard on this World Mental Health
Day and that story in Ontario. I will have Janine
back on that. I have talked to some psychologists friends
and they are livid. Again. The intent of the government
is good. We know we need more health professionals and
just about every health profession but just because you change
(42:54):
the requirements doesn't mean that you're going to get the
outcome that you want. There's my other sermon of the day.
When we come back, we'll have a report Linda has
done on a couple that are going to have a
great weekend. They won some tickets to see the Jays
play back with that in a moment. The Tim Power
Show shoing the conversation weekday afternoons at four pm on
(43:16):
your VOCM. Last segment for you and it's a positive one. Boy,
I wouldn't you love to be this couple? So a
couple from Mont Pearl had the opportunity of a lifetime
when they were picked as the grand prize winners of
Rogers Beyond the Seat contest. Laurie Squib and Francis re
(43:37):
are lifelong Blue Jays fans and one round trip airfare
to Toronto, two tickets to see a game, and accommodations
at the Rogers Center Marriott. That's a great hotel by
the way, to take in the first game of the
East Division Championship Series. Laurie Squib speaks with the theo
CMS Linda Swing.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
A couple of weeks ago, I entered a content test
online and you know, you enter these contests all the
time and you never really think anything of it. It
was the contest offered by Rogers has been a customer
for over thirty years, so it was open to any
of their customers across Canada, and the grand prize was
a trip to Toronto, flights, hotel, merchandise, tickets to the
(44:19):
opening game of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Fantastic.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
What was the experience like, Oh my goodness. I mean,
we've been Blue Jays fans for forty plus years since
I was a kid. We've watched every game on TV,
have never seen one live in person. So it was
absolutely incredible and of all times to win, you know,
the playoffs. The atmosphere was just crazy. Oh for sure,
(44:43):
it must be electric in that stadium. Yeah, and it's
not just a stadium, you feel it over the whole city.
We got there Friday morning, so we had a couple
of days and everywhere you go, businesses have you know,
go blue Jay signs in the window, everyone's wearing Blue
Jay shirts or it's you can feel it everywhere.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Did you get to meet any of the players.
Speaker 6 (45:05):
We didn't know. We didn't. We were We met a
bunch of people from Rogers. They kept contacting us all
weekend to make sure we were all good. We had
everything we needed. We were treated so well. We did
not meet any of the players, unfortunately, but that certainly
didn't take away.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
From the experience.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
But you were so close. It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
You know.
Speaker 6 (45:27):
We had our own little private Roger seating area. There
were four seats in there. We had a little table.
Just about everybody around us in the area we're in
we're standing room only, but we had this little private
area and they did videos and pictures. They did a
little promo video with us, So yeah, we it was
like a dream come true. Even now we're home a
(45:48):
few days and I still can't believe it happened.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
So who's your favorite player?
Speaker 6 (45:55):
Oh, that's so hard. I already had two jerseys, Springer
and Vladdie, and while we were up there, they gave
us another one. So I got Kirk this time. But
that's one thing about this team this year. They really
do play as a team. You know, it's not all right,
you know one player, everybody does their purse. And I think
they can go all the way.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah, so obviously you're rooting for them now heading into
the finals.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
So what do you think, Oh.
Speaker 6 (46:25):
They can do it. This is their year. If there's
any year, this is it. I mean, they put out
the Yankees. Come on, they can beat anybody.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Laurie.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
I really appreciate your time. Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (46:35):
Thank you for talking to me, and thank you. I
had to send out a big thank you to Rogers.
They treated us like royalty. We had an amazing weekend
and go Blue Jays.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
There you go. Laurie's right, and I got that wrong.
She had been previously at the beginning of the Yankee
series and they beat the Yankees. Mighty Yankees, What an
awesome trip that was. And thank you Linda for the interview.
All right, I hope you have enjoyed the show over
the course of the weekend, over the course of the election.
We will of course be back on Tuesday as the
(47:05):
votes are being cast. Everyone have a great Thanksgiving weekend.
Big thanks to Claudette and Greg Smith. Talk to you
on Tuesday. Have a great weekend.
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