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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Here's Tim. Hey everybody, Friday, October seventeenth. Great to be
with you as we head into the weekend. Jeez, I
just heard that story Brian read about the young fellow
or young person, I don't know if it's female or male,
young athlete who passed away during a qualifying cross country
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event from Tricentia Academy Herd. That's so hard thinking of
the family, fellow students of this young athlete. I mean,
these odd, rare things happen, but it does not make
it easy. You'll remember was covered well on VOCM and
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elsewhere there was a young Newfoundland athlete who had run
in the famous Ottawa Marathon ian Ottawa where I am today,
and he passed away at the time. And you know,
running is not dangerous, but sometimes people have conditions and
tragedies happen, and that is that is clearly something we
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are thinking about today as we more in the student
at Tricentsious schools. That's a tough one. Yesterday, of course,
we talked about the Big Cape to Cabot Run, the
running community, people who run it's all pretty tight and
this will hit them too, even though they may have
no connection at all to this young athlete. So thoughts
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are with you all. And as Brian said, there is
a you can donate. There is in our news story.
There's a way you can donate directly to the family,
or you can drop things off at Tricentsia Academy. Thinking
of them all this weekend on a more positive note
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in the world of sport, and Brian and I were
talking about this yesterday. WHOA what a game last night
And my god, you gotta love Max Schurzer. If you're
all into competitive athletes. What an impressive performance and the
best being when his manager John Snyder went to call
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him off and call him off the field and he
said nope. Then, as John Sider said afterwards, I thought
he was going to kill me. Well, Shurezer stayed in.
The Jays won. Series is tied to two. Of course.
Game five is early today seven thirty in Newfoundland, seven
o'clock in Labrador, six on the mainland. The Jays have momentum.
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What can they do now? But the Seattle Mariners they
aren't going to give up. I am pretty excited because
I managed to score two tickets to the game in
Toronto and Sunday, and I'm gonna take my son. It
was thirty two years ago when the Jays were playing
the White Sox in the Alcs that Andrew Young and
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I went down to Toronto. We're both working an auto
at the time. Thanks to a couple of tickets, my
dad scored and watched the Jays play Frank Thomas, the
Big Hurt and the White Sox. And I'll remember that
for a lifetime. And I'm so excited to take my
son down on Sunday for the game. And one way
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or another it'll be a key game that Jays will
either be looking to win and the Mariners to stave
off elimination or vice versa. So I'm pumped. I'm pumped
experience of a lifetime, memories to be made and this
is historic and going to share with you what I
can on Monday. After all of that, what do we
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have today? Well, we have a fine program today is
I think we do every day. In a minute, we're
going to talk to Rob Benzi's from the Toronto Star.
We've talked to Rob often before. He gives us a
sense of what's happening in Ontario and how that has
a bearing on us. Yesterday the Prime minister in the
Premier of Ontario, Doug Ford, met. We'll hear how that went.
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Because Premier Ford has been calling for countervailing tariffs to
be launched. Prime Minister has said he doesn't want to
go down that path. They chatted about this I suspect
and other things yesterday. Also get Rob's take on how
much anxiety is in and around Ontario right now over
the state of the auto industry. Again, we got lots
of people from our province who have gone to Ontario,
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still live in Ontario, who have worked and do work
in that auto industry. So we'll talk to Rob about that.
You heard Brian do a rundown of the crime stories
of the day. Well, we've got Conservative MP Larry Brock
joining us. He just did a town hall in Twillingate.
He's the Conservative so called shadow Minister of Justice and
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Attorney General and he's going to tell us about that
town hall and react a little bit to Mark Karney's
announcement of yesterday on bail reform. We did not get
a chance to speak to what his boss, Larry Brock's
boss has said about the RCMP, calling its leadership despicable
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and suggesting that they should have charged Justin Trudeau and
other members of the Trudeau government for a variety of
different things. We didn't get into that. What is interesting
in my interview with Brock is he says he's about
to have a meeting with the commissioner soon. Oh, to
be a fly on the wall for that. We're going
to talk as well to our friend Charlie Byrne. We
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get a little retrospective on now that the election's done,
how's he feeling where the Liberals ought to go from here?
Judy Morrow was on this morning talking to our Russell
and Jerry Lynn about this. We'll get Charlie's take on that.
We've got Chris Badstone coming on to talk about Ace Freeley,
the guitarist from A Kiss who's no longer with us,
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And we're going to talk to somebody at the gathering
place about an important clothing drive. But let's start with
our friend Benzi Rob. First of all, I know your
sports guy. Was that not a win? Or what last night?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Whoop?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Are you there? Oh? Hang on, I'm getting a message
from Claude dett. What does the message say, you got
a call?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Rob?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Oh, she's calling Rob. Hang on. Well, I'm gonna just
go on. It was an outstanding win last night, as
I said, and watching those bats come alive, Oh, that
was utterly incredible to see Laddie live up to his
potential and see that whole lineup come forward as they have. Oh, Rob,
I'm given enough praise to Toronto now, but you know what,
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we're all behind the Blue Jays At the moment I
was talking about that game, I didn't know you were there,
but I know you're a sports fan. What did you
think of that performance last night?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I wish I had been there, Tim, but I was.
I am in Toronto, so I was watching it on
TV with the rest of the country. But what a
fantastic performance. These last two games have been. It's like
night and day from the days from the games that
were at Rogers Center last weekend, and then we're guaranteed
to have at least one game at Rogers Center this weekend.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
So we're excited about that.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, I was lucky. I've scored two tickets. My son
and I are going. Hopefully he will change my dipe.
Hopefully he will change my diapers when I'm older, just
for this feed alone. But we'll see that that may
be asking too much.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Look, speaking of my son, he doesn't have as many
play dates as Mark Kearney and Premier Doug Ford do.
Yesterday they met at the Premier's home in a tobacco
of course. Leading into the meeting, rob Premier Ford, as
you know and our listeners may know, has been very,
very determined that we get our elbows back up, maybe
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bring forward some countervailing tariffs push back. Prior to the meeting,
the Prime Minister said, we're in an intense process and
maybe that isn't the way to go. How did the
meeting go and what is Premier four thinking today?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So Ford hasn't said anything publicly yet, but we talked
to his offs and we talked to some people who
are privy to the meeting and it went very well.
They were not I think, I think Carnie. First of all,
we know that Carnee likes Ford personally. They have a
personal report they liked one another. This is the fourth
time that we know of that Ford and Carne have
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met privately at either Ford's house here in Toronto or
at his cottage in Muskoka, where Arne was a guest
stayed overnight in July before the first minister's meeting in Huntsville.
So yes Ford has been the you know, saber rattling
and playing the bad cop to Carney's good cop. And
then Carne yesterday said, look, I think this is the
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time for talking, and we're talking right now. So I
don't know if a deal is imminent. I don't even
know if a deal is achievable. Tim, you and I've
talked about this some times before on the OCM man
on CBC. Who are you dealing with? You're dealing with
an erratic seventy nine year old toddler basically, So you know,
it's it's it's not it's not easy to know what
a deal even looks like. I mean, our best friend
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in all of this is probably inflation. And how stupid
the teriff policy is because it's hurting the US economy
and it's hurting prices for US consumers, as as dun
Ford is fond of saying a tariff on Canada is
a tax on Americans, and he's right. So I mean,
Ford is saying, you've got to have counter terrorists. We've
got to we've got to fight back. The problem with
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that is, uh, Carnie doesn't feel that it's the right
time to do that. And I think Ford can say
these things publicly imposture and and and yet they can
agree to disagree. I don't think it's going to hurt
their relationship too much because they have so many other
things they have to talk about. I mean, we know
that yesterday they talked about the major projects, the you know,
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the the major projects that are a nation building projects
that Carnee wants to emphasize. Well, we know that that.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Word.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It really wants the Ring of Fire chromite mining project
in northwestern Ontario to be part of the major projects,
and he's getting good signals from Prime Minister Carney that
it will be. So that's interesting in and of himself.
And we also know that they have to talk about
EV's and the strategy. Doug Ford does not want Mark
Kearney to lift the the one hundred percent tariffs on
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US on Chinese evs that come into Canada. So Doug
Ford is against tariffs except when they're on China, and
that's because they don't want Chinese EV's dumping dumped into
the United States via Canada, and I think that that's uh,
that's a policy that probably won't change, even though we
know that in Western Canada, specifically in Saskatchewan and Manitoba,
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they want those tariffs lifted so that China will lift
the tariffs on Canola. And I understand where they're coming from,
and doug Ford said he understands where they're coming from,
but the auto industry is just too important to Ontario's economy.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
To risk to risk them.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
We'll get to the auto industry in a second. But
those tariffs, as you know, also the Chinese tariffs are
impacting our seafood industry, so they Newfoundland and laboratorre just
gone through an election. As you also know, nobody, the
new premier designate has not said much on this or
anything at all, but certainly our fish producers are concerned
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about that, and it creates this odd state where we
once had a united team Canada. Now there's a bit
of sniping. How significant is the sniping rub it's well.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Right now, it's on the edge's him, but I don't
know if it gets more serious. Because Mark Parney has
a very very difficult balancing act.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
He's got to.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Appease the oil patch for Danielle Smith, but also not
tick off David Ebe who doesn't want a pipeline going
through his province to the Pacific. You've got Doug Ford
saying don't lift the tariffs on EV's China and other
provinces saying you should because it's hurting our then and
to see now you're the new premier that the Premier
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designate in nwfin Land and Labrador hasn't yet said as
far as I know, where he would where he sits
on on that. But I mean, if it's hurting the
the you know, the fishery, then obviously you would want
to or the seafood producers and processors, you would be
obviously concerned about that if I were him.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, and uh, I don't know if he's spoken to
the Prime Ministry yet. All of that to be determined.
Let's talk about it.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
We do know that he has, we do, Okay, the
Premier Designant spoke to Carnie. Uh I think the day
after yeah, the day after the election he spoke to ok.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, all right, well there you are breaking some news
in Newfoundland. I don't think we knew that yet. Look
at you Toronto delivering for Newfoundland. All right, uh now,
speaking of delivering for Newfoundland, she used to landa payne,
very popular in Newfoundland and Labrador. She's, of course one
of us. She's the head of Unifor. She and her
counterpart Flavio Volpe, who represents the auto parts manufacture, have
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been ringing five alarm fire bell saying that the auto
industry is in jeopardy. How real is that and how
much is that being felt in Ontario?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Wrap, It's very real and it is being felt, and
Flaviovope knows because he's a president of the Auto Parks
Manufacturer Association. How important the extra industries around an auto
plant are, the people that supply these auto plants. So
the big news, of course here in Ontario this week
has been the loss of the Jeep Compass, which is
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the vehicle that's manufactured in Brampton, Ontario, suburb of Toronto
at the Salantis plant there, formerly a Chrysler plant, now
known as Stilantis. This is a huge deal. Three thousand
jobs are at Steak here, they're moving. The replacement vehicle
is going to be in Illinois. It's a big push
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that Stilantis is doing.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Silantis is getting a lot of production tax credit for
other plants, including in Windsor, Ontario near the Detroit border,
right across the river from Detroit. And that's like billions
in federal and provincial production credits. Now they haven't got
the money yet, but they're going to produce EV batteries
there and when they do, they get paid. You know,
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four I think it's four or five thousand dollars in
tax credits for batteries him.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So that's a big chunk of change.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
So now Doug Ford's worried about it, Markarney's worried about it.
Melanie Jelly is talking about suing.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Stilantis for breaking their word.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And this is all thanks to Donald Trump's tariffs that
have created so much uncertainty that companies like Stilantis, which
were already kind of pretty precarious are are are making
decisions like this which are not good for Ontario and
therefore aren't good for Canada. I mean, I remember, Ontario
is accountable for forty percent of the Canadian GDP, so
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it's not good when it's so that they're they're very
worried about it, and Lanta.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Pan Full just go. I'm in unifors at the Toronto Star.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yes, that represents us so and and and we've got
a lot of time for Lanta as well at our place.
But yeah, she has a tough like hers, so she's
that's three thousand jobs in that local is a huge
uniform local. And in fact, it's interesting it's one of
the locals, the uniform locals that endorsed Premium doug Ford's
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Progressive Conservatives in the last election, so he's very close
to the situation as well for the workers and for
the company.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, and as I said earlier, tons of new Foinland
are still in that industry, so we watch it with
interest as well. All right, Rob, you have a good weekend.
Thank you for making time for us. O jays go
exactly all right, buddy, take care when we come back.
We've got an interview with Larry Brock, the Conservative Member
of Parliament from Ontario, shadow Minister of Justice and the
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Attorney General. Stand by for that a federal Conservative Member
of Cartman who was also the Shadow Minister for Justice
and the Attorney General's Office. Has been in Newfoundland and
Larbrary or visiting the community of twilling Gate. He's doing
a series of town halls in Atlantic Canada and we've
caught up with him, and that is MP Larry Brock.
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He's from Ontario. Larry, how's your trip to Newfoundland been
so far?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Well, good afternoon, Tim, Thanks for having me on your show.
This is a lovely province. I've not been back, probably
for about forty years. Long over. I wish the weather,
I wish the weather were a little better. But had
a great evening yesterday in Twillingate, attended by about sixty
seventy passionate community members who just want to live in
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a peaceful community and are very very upset at the
state of play within this country of ours in terms
of the rising crime levels. I wasn't aware of just
how dangerous twilling Gate has actually become, and even more
pronounced given the fact that they've got a limited number
of RCMP officers who don't work twenty four to seven,
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actually works shift work, and sometimes given a home invasion
in that area of twilling Gaate, you might wait for
forty eight hours before you get a police response. So
not appropriate at all.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
No, it's tough in rural Newfoundland and certainly you will know, Larry.
You've just come into Newfoundland after the provincial election. One
of the top issues was public safety and community safety.
I believe all three party leaders had promised new measures,
including the new premier elect Tony Wakem to try and
get more RCMP officers, But of course that's a federal issue.
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What were you able to tell the people of Twillingate
about what needs to be done to help get more
RCMP officers in the community.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, there was one community member that actually post a question,
and I really didn't have a concrete answer for basically
said to me, mister Brock, why is it for so
long that we've only had one training center across this country.
Why not have a Western training center and an Eastern
training center and provide incentives for our own young men
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and women to enter the RCMP with an incentive to
stay on the island and provide services to many rural committees.
It was a great, great suggestion, and I said, you
know what, I'm going to take this back. I have
a meeting planned with the RCMP Commissioner coming up in
a couple of weeks, so I intend on I'm raising
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these issues because Tim, I've been across this country literally
since last January, hearing from the people on the ground
what their concerns are what their response has been to
the level of policing in their communities, and it's a
very consistent message. They want more resources, they want more
response time, and they want the police. And they're very
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proud of the police when they do their job, because
they are doing their job to keep community safe, but
are completely frustrated with our Canadian criminal justice system that
allows these repeat violent offenders to continually get bail under
the current regime and ultimately get sentenced, and there's no
really deterrent impact on their ability to refrain from this
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type of criminal activity. So they're very frustrated. I've given
them a lot of suggestions as to what a conservative
government would do to address all of that, and I said,
until such time, we are going to push the Carneie
Liberal government to make those necessary changes, which is probably
a good segue into Prime Minister Carney's announcement yesterday.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Larry, you could do my job. You are on fire today, Sarah,
I am going to go there. We will get to
the Prime Minister's bail reform announcement of yesterday, but before
we do, I do want there's one question that came
to mind as you were talking about your conversation and
twillingate where are we in Canada with recruitment and retention
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in the RCMP. We know we're not doing as well
as we should in the military. What's the state of
play in the RCMP?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Interesting question. Last week the National Police Federation had their
National Day of Action in Ottawa, met with probably about
one hundred different MPs. I was one of them, and surprisingly,
given my tour of Canada and my discussions with numerous
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municipal and provincial police services, the RCMP does not have
a recruitment problem like the rest of Canada does. In fact,
the numbers are through the roof, according to the representatives
of the federation, so great great demand. The service is
not being demoralized at the state of play in our
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criminal justice system like some services are. It's a real challenge. Yes,
they do have a number of people who are off
on leave for a myriad of issues, PTSD a myriad
of issues, but nevertheless there is still a high high
demand and using whatever resources they have to attract further
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further talent, they're actually trying to speed up the process
of training up an RCMP officer from the current system.
They're going to try to epidite the process because they
know communities such as Tooling Gates certainly could use the
extra resource. So that's a very positive measure I think
the RCMP are doing. But I intend on having a
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nice fulsome conversation with a commissioner and trying to advance
the prospect of an Eastern training facility somewhere in Atlanta, Canada.
I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, it's fascinating because forever it's always been in Regina.
All right, no more waiting. Let's talk about the Prime
Minister's announcement of yesterday. He has come out and some
would say it opted some of the conservative arguments about release,
releasing offenders and now with saying he's going to reform
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the process where the onus is going to be not
on the crown but on the accused to make the
case that they are able to be released and returned
to the community and the community will be safe. There
were some other measures in there, but your reaction to
the Prime Minister's announcement of yesterday.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
It's sell too short, way too short. You know, the
devil will be in the details, tim The legislation will
be rolled out next week. I'll take a look at
the fine details, but just the high level talking points.
It was very reminant if you recall from a few
years back, when after several years of advocacy by the premiers,
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by mayors, by police chiefs, presidents of police association and
victim groups, the Liberal government under Justin Trudeau only released
Bill C forty eight that was designed to make it
exceedingly difficult for repeat offenders commit serious violence offenders from
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ever getting bail. I was very critical then, as I
remained very critical now. Simply adding more reverse bus provisions
to criminal charges is not going to be the answer
when you still have in place a Liberal bill, Bill
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C seventy five, which was introduced in twenty nineteen and
introduced the principle of restraint, which instructs judges and justices
of the piece every single day when they hear bail
applications to release the accused at the earliest opportunity on
the least restrictive conditions. So tim hypothetically Prime Minister Carney
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could reverse theess of every single charge in the one
thousand page long Criminal Code of Canada and unless and
until such time as they repeal the principle of restraint.
We will still have the revolving door of justice, the
catch and release system that is frustrating to so many
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Canadians who simply want to live a peaceful, crime free lifestyle.
We want to replace that principle of restraint with the
principle of public.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Safety and protection.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
That's why I was profoundly disappointed when they Liberal government
voted down our Jail Not Bail Act, which will had
as a central purpose the repeal of the principle of
restraint to get back to a balanced approach to our
justice system where the constitutional rights of the accused are
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equally balanced and equally as important as community safety and
the protection of victims. I'm a former chron attorney tim
after serving almost twenty years with the Ontario chron Attorney Association.
I have been in the trenches. I have done bail hearings.
I've done thousands of bail hearings. I saw firsthand the
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impact of Bill c seventy five and twenty nineteen, where
literally I was fighting every day to keep these violent
repeat offenders in custody, only to be met with, Well,
mister Brock, the federal government has dictated we have to
release these individuals at the earliest opportunity on the least
restrictive conditions. Therein lies the problems. So your listeners should
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be very very critical of what they hear from Prime
Minister Carney because this is literally a carbon copy of
what we heard from former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that
this is going to result in safe communities.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, we will certainly be following the debate because as
unfortunately as the case in Newfoundland and Labrador, as it
is in many parts of Canada, we hear more about
crime and more concerns are raised, and it's multifaceted, but
good to get your perspective on it today. Larry, thank
you for joining us, Thank you for making the time.
It is appreciated.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Thank you so much. Jim, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
All right, We've got Charlie Burns standing by. But before
we go to break, just a reminder, because it's broken
mostly today. Peer Polyev taking some justified heat for calling
the RCMP commissioner despicable and suggesting the RCMP did not
deliberately did not charge members of the Justin Trudeau members
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of his government, and in his opinion, they should have.
That story will continue over the weekend. I suspect Larry
Brock will get questions about that the next time he
speaks to somebody in the media. But when we come
back we're and talk a little bit more about the
Newfoundland election, we'll get Charlie Burns's thoughts on where to
go from here with the Liberal Party. Back with Charlie
in a moment. When elections end, often more work begins,
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and that's certainly the case if you weren't successful in
an election, and both the Liberal Party and the NDP
probably hoped they might have done better, though in the
case of the NDP too, is probably a pretty good
outcome for the Liberals. Holding government and growing was likely
their preferred route. Charlie Burne, it kindly joins us often
on this program. Charlie of course works with global public affairs.
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It's done lots of work in politics, particularly in Liberal politics.
Wanted to get Charlie on today just for some early
thoughts on where next for the Liberal Party. Charlie. Look,
it never it's never a joyous to lose an election,
but everybody does, and you do for a variety of
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reasons and different circumstances. It's arguably never just one thing.
You look now at what the past should be for
the Liberal Party, what comes to mind about how they
should assess this election and plan to go forward?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Well, and thanks for having me on, and first and
foremost allow me to offer my congratulations to Tony Wakeam
and his government somebody in the election, and you know,
certainly wish them well. I've spoken this program several times
with the Churchill Hall deal. I thought it was a
good deal under Andrew Fury, under John Hogan, and I'll
say it's a good deal under Preier awakem And I
hope given I think the ambitious timeline that he's laid out,
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which is referendum and review and given the back election,
I encourage him to get on the phone with Career
and Ago if he hasn't already. But just just out
of campaign perspective for the Liberal Party, I mean, where
do they go next? You know the obvious Steff obviously
is to have a campaign review and get into the
districts and figure out what went wrong and what was
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rice you know, even the ones that they did win.
You take somebody like bred Hutton who increased his own
share by I think eleven hundred votes from twenty months ago.
You know why, why did that happen. What did what
did his campaign do right to where all their districts
lost folks, volks share they lost folks. So I think,
you know, that has to happen. That has to happen soon.
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And again it's the winning districts and districts were lost
in The party needs to bring in not nextarily somebody
from the outside, but somebody who wasn't involved in the
campaign to conduct that review so that they can learn
the lessons going forward.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I think it's important for people to understand too, because
sometimes the public discussion about reviews turns into oh, I
got to blame her, I got to blame him, and
they shouldn't be part of it. But a review has
to be more than that, right, I mean, it really
does have to say, yep, we did this well and
we sucked at that and here's why, making it less
about people and more about process and approach.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Oh one hundred percent that. I mean, this isn't about
you know, pointing figures and it it's not the time
for that right now. I mean there's a structure here
that was put in place that clearly didn't work, and
parts of it did. I mean, at the end of
the day here the Liberal Party received I don't know
what the number was, but I want to say it
was one percent less than the popular vote.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, it was one percent less. It was.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah. You know, you've got I think one hundred and
eighty votes probably that set greatest three districts that would
have made this a tie. So you know, there's a
lot here for them to look at and say, okay,
we did right. But clearly in those final into the
miles things went wrong. And that's what it has been about,
you read, it has be about the process and what
system could have put in place for the next time
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around to be more successful.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Invariably, because the nature of Canadian politics and global politics
is all leader centric, people are going to ask, and
some have already, at least in the public, you know,
should John Hogan stay or go? Knowing that Premier, well,
he's still Premier. Hogan only was elected into his position
in May, and of course you went through a federal
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leadership review. How do you think it's a party ought
to deal with that? I mean, ultimately it's up to
John Hogan, first of all, if he wants to stay
and wants to fight. But thoughts on how the question
of leadership should be handled.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, the most political parties in their constitution will have
a clause for a leadership advice their election loss. Right,
So I think I think the Liberal Party of the
New Kalyan Library probably has a leadership review question in
their constitution after an election loss. But you're right, you know,
so there will be one like that will happen. But
you're right, it is up to it is up to
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mister Hogan. You'll want to take some time and reflect,
spend some time in his family. Just saw what he
wants to do. And you know, from my perspective, I
do think he would be an excell leader of the opposition.
He is a lawyer, you know, especially as the government
I think looks to get the Churchill Falls MoU over
the line. No one knows that better deal than John
O right now. And I think he'll be a good
voice in the House Assembly. And and look, I think
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everybody on our side wants to see that happen, and
so I think the Cockets would strongly support him in
that endeavor. But again, like you said, at the end
of the day, it will be it will be up
to him and what he wants to do.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
And it should be. It leads that leaders put a
lot on the line, regardless of party, and they should
at least have the opportunity in the early days to
decide where they go. Charlie, how much of this campaign
was about the Conservatives also seemingly in the right number
of districts getting the messaging right. You and I talked
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about this a little bit during the campaign. Tony wakem
stayed generally away from the MoU which is what Premier
Hogan wanted to talk about, and focus more on healthcare,
affordability and crime. Having talked to winning Conservative candidates, they
say that was vital. What's your take on that? On
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the message, Jing and the you know, the so called
valid question.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
So I think you know, from an actual ideas perspective,
the difference between what the progressive Conservatives and the liberals
said about healthcare, public safety, and affordability is negligible. Right
like it was, it was almost exactly the same. I
think you know where the Conservatives did very well is
that perhaps if you look at some digital advertising and
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meta advertising on Facebook, they were able to pump that
messaging into in the districts, and I don't know that
the Liberal party did that quite as effectively. You know,
I think from my perspective, whenever you open up Facebook,
not that I use Facebook a whole time, but you
were getting served Tory ads about you know, healthcare being
bad and about crime being high, and same on YouTube
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as my father, who actually wanted so told me that.
So I think they were probably more effective at waving
their arms with those issues. And I think again, if
we sat down and looked at the two books, that
the differences were very minor, and I think the Little
Party hope that the big difference would behay these guys
don't support this deal that's going to help us pay
for all these things we do, and at the end
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of the day, I think, you know, we fell short
on communicating that to people in an effective way.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Last one for you, of course, you used to We
talked about this before. It used to be with M
five m QO. Part of M five MQO may have
had the closest poll and the one that was most
accurate in this selection campaign, whereas at least the public
polls and there are a number of national polls in
the last weekend that were way off the mark. I mean,
you advise campaigns, you advise leaders what's the lesson on
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data here that you see in these early days.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, so I just you know what one quick comment
I guess about another piece, I do want to just say,
you know, in terms of the group that's going into opposition,
I think there is some things to be excited about.
You know, you do have four new mhade, You've got
a mayor and deputy mayor. You've got two young individuals
and Mike King Keith White who have had a lot
of experience in governments. And I guess my advice to
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all those folks would be that, you know, be a respectful, positive,
sossful opposition, because I think Canadians are sick of opposition
parties that you know, just say everything is bad all
the time, and you know, make arguments that are not believable.
So just for example, your your previous scholar, I get.
I guess he's got a job to do, but you know,
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saying that Pere Jesson, Trudeau and Mark Cardi are the
same people are not really viable arguments. So that would
be my advice to those folks, and I think they've
got to be possil and respectful. But just on data,
I think very quickly from my perspective. You know, I'm
not a pole, I'm not a data scientist, but I
do think that the polls that were weigh off for
what you call IVR polls, I you know, they're not
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as reliable. I think the lesson here needs to be that,
you know, other methods of data collection, like live telephone
calling and online panels are more reliable. But there is
a problem across North America with getting conservative voices. So
I think you need to take that with a great assault.
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And you can't look at it and say, hey, we're
winning this much. And if you do look at that
mto hole, it.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Was the closest one.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
It was within the mergeon of the ear, and that
was a telephone pole, a live telephone pole where they
actually speak to somebody, and it was an online panel pole.
So I would encourage any political party that's going forward
to use that type of data. I mean, that's the
way Avocus Data collects data. That's the way I think
narrative research collects their data. Like that is the more
effective method. And I think that's improven time and time
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again in elections, and it's what it should be. The
standards that parties.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Adopt talking to humans. It can still pay dividends. No
truer thing has been said today. All right, Charlie got
to leave it there. Thank you, appreciate the time as.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Always, thank you for the time to take care of us.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
All right, that is our friend, Charlie Burne giving a
bit of a retrospective on the Case campaign. Well, it
seems I only talk to this guy when a rock
star dies and another one has. Ace Freely, the original
league guitarist of Kiss. But thankfully Chris Batstone's alive again
to talk about another dead guy, Chris, I think the
last time we talked it was about Ozzie. Like this
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whole generation now, I mean, as seventy four Ace Freely does,
that's not that old. But these guys didn't live easy either.
Ace Freely, what what can you say is his sort
of contribution to modern rock and roll and Kiss and
the and the brand that they were and the influence
that they had.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Yeah, I think he had a huge influence on it.
Of course, being one of the original members of Kiss
and being on board with the character scenario, you know,
the spaceman was was Ace and you know, and being
involved in what Kiss was because they were just so
so different.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
But you know, I think that Ace's.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Contribution really was as far as playing goes anyway to
classic rock, like a style of playing that wasn't flashy
at all, but just you know, fit every moment. Like
he was a great lick guy. He was a great
riff guy.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
You know.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
I mean he took solos, no question about it, and
a solos were great. But I think that's what people
really remember, like a bit like those Little League guitar licks,
like and shouted out loud like that thing is is
going to live forever. Yeah, I think that. Yeah, I
think that's more his contribution to the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, I'm stuck hearing Detroit Rock City all day. And
you know, that's not their most famous tune, but it's
one that I think captures them so well, like the grit,
the toughness, but also the uniqueness. If I remember anything
about Kiss beyond the costumes and you and I are
of a certain vintage. I mean they were on television
for a while, if you remember, they had a show
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they were They weren't the biggest singers of the day,
but they had a way of getting attention and it
was blending the costume with the music. Tell us a
little bit about that, Chris.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Oh yeah, the Kiss were such expert branders, and they
weren't afraid to go beyond the music.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Really.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
They were kind of one of the first bands that
kind of treated music as you know, not their main thing,
but one of the things that they do, you know,
because they had you know, some.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Some movies, you know.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
In nineteen seventy six, they did something really really, really
really out there. They released four solo albums at the
same time, which nobody had ever done, and weren't afraid
to appear on television and weren't afraid to have their
music involved with all kinds of things. And I think that,
you know, they weren't afraid to go for it, you know,
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and also had that vision to do it, like lots
of bands don't have that vision like they or they're
just involved in their own songwriting and that's what they
want to do. But Kiss wanted way more, you know,
they wanted to be involved in everything, and that's the
you know, the trail they blazed.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
It's interesting to us reading about Freely and of course
he comes out of that New Jersey area and there
are a lot of people came out of New Jersey
in the sort of seventies and eighties, the Boss being
another one. You know, bon Jovi. What is it about
that area that produced all these rock and roll legends.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Know, it's really something. It must be something in the
water there, you know, Springsteen and bon Jovi, and then
like I said, Ace Freely. I don't know, there's something
about it that's that's tough, that's working class, but also
very extrovert. You know, also something like they're they're out there,
you know, and and they're not.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Afraid to put themselves out there.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
So they kind of got that, you know, working class
but also that New York toughness.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Because they're so close.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Yeah, so it's a it's a really nice mix.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, it kind of it fit the seventies in the eighties,
but kind of transcend it. There's a there's almost an
originality and authenticity that they preserved. Last last question for you,
why do you think Freeley's death is getting the attention today?
I mean, he's not Gene Simmons, he's not Paul Stanley,
two of the bigger unknown members of the band. Of course.
Gene Simmons married to Newfoundlanders Shannon tweet. So the local
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connection there. But why do you think we're talking about
him today? Well, I think it's because of the effect that.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Ace had on his bands. I mean, that's that's the
bottom line. You Like, you see so many guitar players,
especially coming out and just saying like he was my favorite,
and it's because Ace was just so musical. He brought,
you know, real musicality to the band that you know,
maybe Gene and Paul didn't really have, Like they obviously
had great songs and the riffs and the anthems and
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stuff like that, but I think that Ace is playing
really brought a tremendous amount of musicality that people appreciated.
And I think that is in short supply right now,
so I think people are going to miss it.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Well, Chris, hopefully the next time we talk somebody hasn't
died and we can talk about some unique modern contribution
that's happening. But always good to talk to you, buddy.
Thank you for your time, all right, Tim, thanks for
having me on. Take care that is our colleague, Chris
Batstone from k Rock talking about Ace freely when we
come back. You want to stand by for this important
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you can help. The Gathering Place has a winter clothing drive.
We're going to talk to Andrew Holme from the Gathering
Place about what you can do. Back with Andrew in
a moment.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
The Tim Power Show.
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Join the conversation weekday afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.
Talking to you with a hat on and a winter vest.
Even though I'm inside, i am cold. It is getting
colder and that means there are needs for winter, and
the Gathering Place is trying to address them. To talk
to us about that. We're joined by Andrew Holme. Andrew
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is the manager of fund development and Partnerships at the
Gathering Place. Andrew, Yeah, to all all of our unfortunate realities.
It is getting colder, it's getting closer to winter, and
that means needs for winter, particularly for the services you provide.
Though you do currently have a pause on clothing donations,
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you're gearing up to receive them and other donations. Tell
us what you're doing, Andrew, and what you need.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Tim.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
It's good to be with you.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
No.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
We always have a fair number of donations that come in.
The key, of course, is to having the right donations
at the right time.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
At the right time.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
Yeah, right, and so now it's it's getting colder, like
you said, and the evenings are getting a lot colder.
And so we all live in New plant We had
a great summer, but it's quickly coming upon us the
colder months, and so we're being asked for a lot
of warmer items in the last little while and that's
only going to increase until the new year and then onwards.
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But now our focus is to kind of revamp our
space a little bit. We organize and make sure that
we have the right stocket. So our team is kind
of said, well, what if you put a pause on
general donations so that we can get a handle on
setting up for the winter months.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, so how is that going to work? You're asking
people to hold on those donations until October twenty seventh.
Then you will tell them what you think you will
need and what you will ask for. How will all
that work?
Speaker 6 (44:27):
Yeah, So it's a little challenging because not everyone can
get the message out. So we try to do our best.
But yeah, October twenty seventh is what we're saying. Okay,
well let's start re engaging with people. In the meantime,
we won't turn away the good, the really high valuable
things that are in high demand right now, so we'll
never turn away socks and underwear, new underwear. That's a
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high high item that does often asked for. Of course,
winter coats and hats and gloves and sleeping bags and blankets. Okay,
if you have those things, like, don't wait till the
twenty seventh struck down and we'll definitely book in the
good us. Along with toilet trees and toilet paper, some
of the things that we end up navigating with guests is, yeah,
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you know what you can survive without a stick of deodorant,
but it's not very dignified, and so we try to
engage with people and say, let's let's share what we have.
If you can buy an extra deodorant and donate it,
that that's fantastic. Toilet Paper is very similar, although most
would probably consider toilet paper and necessity and it's very expensive,
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and so guests are often asking do you have a
roll of toilet paper, which is a very humbling thing
to be asked, and so we ask for those things
as well. So those are the high demand items, and
then on the twenty seventh we can kind of re
engage with the general donations as well.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
All right, got about forty five seconds. But money always
helps because it allows you to more specifically buy what
you need. If people want to donate money, how do
they do that? Andrew?
Speaker 6 (46:00):
Yeah, So you can go to our website a Kindness
Wanted ca. If there's a little boxer, you can say
donate now and you can donate there. You can also
call us at seven oh nine seven five three three
two three four and you can reach us there and
make a donation over the phone. Or we can always
drop in and say hi and make a donation a person,
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and a lot of people do that. They like to
say hi and to thank us for the different services
them to learn more about it. We don't mind talking
with people and sharing more what we're all about.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, you do incredibly important work. Thank you for joining
us today. We'll keep spreading the word as best we
can and get you on later in the fall to
help raise some more donations. Thanks Andrew, no problem, appreciate
the time. All right, take care. That is Andrew home,
a manager of fund development and Partnerships with the Gathering Place.
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That is our show for today. Thank you to Claudet
for all the great work this week. And every week.
Thank you to you for listening, and hopefully, hopefully, by
the time we talk on Monday, the Jays will be
in the World Series and I'll tell you all about it.
After our we go to the game Sunday night. Have
a great weekend. For now, I'm Tim Powers. Bye.
This is the Tim Power Show on your VOCM.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The views and opinions of this program where not necessarily
those of this station.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Here's Tim. Hey everybody, Friday, October seventeenth. Great to be
with you as we head into the weekend. Jeez, I
just heard that story Brian read about the young fellow
or young person, I don't know if it's female or male,
young athlete who passed away during a qualifying cross country
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event from Tricentia Academy Herd. That's so hard thinking of
the family, fellow students of this young athlete. I mean,
these odd, rare things happen, but it does not make
it easy. You'll remember was covered well on VOCM and
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elsewhere there was a young Newfoundland athlete who had run
in the famous Ottawa Marathon ian Ottawa where I am today,
and he passed away at the time. And you know,
running is not dangerous, but sometimes people have conditions and
tragedies happen, and that is that is clearly something we
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are thinking about today as we more in the student
at Tricentsious schools. That's a tough one. Yesterday, of course,
we talked about the Big Cape to Cabot Run, the
running community, people who run it's all pretty tight and
this will hit them too, even though they may have
no connection at all to this young athlete. So thoughts
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are with you all. And as Brian said, there is
a you can donate. There is in our news story.
There's a way you can donate directly to the family,
or you can drop things off at Tricentsia Academy. Thinking
of them all this weekend on a more positive note
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in the world of sport, and Brian and I were
talking about this yesterday. WHOA what a game last night
And my god, you gotta love Max Schurzer. If you're
all into competitive athletes. What an impressive performance and the
best being when his manager John Snyder went to call
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him off and call him off the field and he
said nope. Then, as John Sider said afterwards, I thought
he was going to kill me. Well, Shurezer stayed in.
The Jays won. Series is tied to two. Of course.
Game five is early today seven thirty in Newfoundland, seven
o'clock in Labrador, six on the mainland. The Jays have momentum.
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What can they do now? But the Seattle Mariners they
aren't going to give up. I am pretty excited because
I managed to score two tickets to the game in
Toronto and Sunday, and I'm gonna take my son. It
was thirty two years ago when the Jays were playing
the White Sox in the Alcs that Andrew Young and
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I went down to Toronto. We're both working an auto
at the time. Thanks to a couple of tickets, my
dad scored and watched the Jays play Frank Thomas, the
Big Hurt and the White Sox. And I'll remember that
for a lifetime. And I'm so excited to take my
son down on Sunday for the game. And one way
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or another it'll be a key game that Jays will
either be looking to win and the Mariners to stave
off elimination or vice versa. So I'm pumped. I'm pumped
experience of a lifetime, memories to be made and this
is historic and going to share with you what I
can on Monday. After all of that, what do we
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have today? Well, we have a fine program today is
I think we do every day. In a minute, we're
going to talk to Rob Benzi's from the Toronto Star.
We've talked to Rob often before. He gives us a
sense of what's happening in Ontario and how that has
a bearing on us. Yesterday the Prime minister in the
Premier of Ontario, Doug Ford, met. We'll hear how that went.
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Because Premier Ford has been calling for countervailing tariffs to
be launched. Prime Minister has said he doesn't want to
go down that path. They chatted about this I suspect
and other things yesterday. Also get Rob's take on how
much anxiety is in and around Ontario right now over
the state of the auto industry. Again, we got lots
of people from our province who have gone to Ontario,
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still live in Ontario, who have worked and do work
in that auto industry. So we'll talk to Rob about that.
You heard Brian do a rundown of the crime stories
of the day. Well, we've got Conservative MP Larry Brock
joining us. He just did a town hall in Twillingate.
He's the Conservative so called shadow Minister of Justice and
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Attorney General and he's going to tell us about that
town hall and react a little bit to Mark Karney's
announcement of yesterday on bail reform. We did not get
a chance to speak to what his boss, Larry Brock's
boss has said about the RCMP, calling its leadership despicable
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and suggesting that they should have charged Justin Trudeau and
other members of the Trudeau government for a variety of
different things. We didn't get into that. What is interesting
in my interview with Brock is he says he's about
to have a meeting with the commissioner soon. Oh, to
be a fly on the wall for that. We're going
to talk as well to our friend Charlie Byrne. We
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get a little retrospective on now that the election's done,
how's he feeling where the Liberals ought to go from here?
Judy Morrow was on this morning talking to our Russell
and Jerry Lynn about this. We'll get Charlie's take on that.
We've got Chris Badstone coming on to talk about Ace Freeley,
the guitarist from A Kiss who's no longer with us,
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And we're going to talk to somebody at the gathering
place about an important clothing drive. But let's start with
our friend Benzi Rob. First of all, I know your
sports guy. Was that not a win? Or what last night?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Whoop?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Are you there? Oh? Hang on, I'm getting a message
from Claude dett. What does the message say, you got
a call?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Rob?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Oh, she's calling Rob. Hang on. Well, I'm gonna just
go on. It was an outstanding win last night, as
I said, and watching those bats come alive, Oh, that
was utterly incredible to see Laddie live up to his
potential and see that whole lineup come forward as they have. Oh, Rob,
I'm given enough praise to Toronto now, but you know what,
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we're all behind the Blue Jays At the moment I
was talking about that game, I didn't know you were there,
but I know you're a sports fan. What did you
think of that performance last night?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I wish I had been there, Tim, but I was.
I am in Toronto, so I was watching it on
TV with the rest of the country. But what a
fantastic performance. These last two games have been. It's like
night and day from the days from the games that
were at Rogers Center last weekend, and then we're guaranteed
to have at least one game at Rogers Center this weekend.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
So we're excited about that.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, I was lucky. I've scored two tickets. My son
and I are going. Hopefully he will change my dipe.
Hopefully he will change my diapers when I'm older, just
for this feed alone. But we'll see that that may
be asking too much.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Look, speaking of my son, he doesn't have as many
play dates as Mark Kearney and Premier Doug Ford do.
Yesterday they met at the Premier's home in a tobacco
of course. Leading into the meeting, rob Premier Ford, as
you know and our listeners may know, has been very,
very determined that we get our elbows back up, maybe
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bring forward some countervailing tariffs push back. Prior to the meeting,
the Prime Minister said, we're in an intense process and
maybe that isn't the way to go. How did the
meeting go and what is Premier four thinking today?
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So Ford hasn't said anything publicly yet, but we talked
to his offs and we talked to some people who
are privy to the meeting and it went very well.
They were not I think, I think Carnie. First of all,
we know that Carnee likes Ford personally. They have a
personal report they liked one another. This is the fourth
time that we know of that Ford and Carne have
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met privately at either Ford's house here in Toronto or
at his cottage in Muskoka, where Arne was a guest
stayed overnight in July before the first minister's meeting in Huntsville.
So yes Ford has been the you know, saber rattling
and playing the bad cop to Carney's good cop. And
then Carne yesterday said, look, I think this is the
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time for talking, and we're talking right now. So I
don't know if a deal is imminent. I don't even
know if a deal is achievable. Tim, you and I've
talked about this some times before on the OCM man
on CBC. Who are you dealing with? You're dealing with
an erratic seventy nine year old toddler basically, So you know,
it's it's it's not it's not easy to know what
a deal even looks like. I mean, our best friend
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in all of this is probably inflation. And how stupid
the teriff policy is because it's hurting the US economy
and it's hurting prices for US consumers, as as dun
Ford is fond of saying a tariff on Canada is
a tax on Americans, and he's right. So I mean,
Ford is saying, you've got to have counter terrorists. We've
got to we've got to fight back. The problem with
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that is, uh, Carnie doesn't feel that it's the right
time to do that. And I think Ford can say
these things publicly imposture and and and yet they can
agree to disagree. I don't think it's going to hurt
their relationship too much because they have so many other
things they have to talk about. I mean, we know
that yesterday they talked about the major projects, the you know,
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the the major projects that are a nation building projects
that Carnee wants to emphasize. Well, we know that that.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Word.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It really wants the Ring of Fire chromite mining project
in northwestern Ontario to be part of the major projects,
and he's getting good signals from Prime Minister Carney that
it will be. So that's interesting in and of himself.
And we also know that they have to talk about
EV's and the strategy. Doug Ford does not want Mark
Kearney to lift the the one hundred percent tariffs on
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US on Chinese evs that come into Canada. So Doug
Ford is against tariffs except when they're on China, and
that's because they don't want Chinese EV's dumping dumped into
the United States via Canada, and I think that that's uh,
that's a policy that probably won't change, even though we
know that in Western Canada, specifically in Saskatchewan and Manitoba,
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they want those tariffs lifted so that China will lift
the tariffs on Canola. And I understand where they're coming from,
and doug Ford said he understands where they're coming from,
but the auto industry is just too important to Ontario's economy.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
To risk to risk them.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
We'll get to the auto industry in a second. But
those tariffs, as you know, also the Chinese tariffs are
impacting our seafood industry, so they Newfoundland and laboratorre just
gone through an election. As you also know, nobody, the
new premier designate has not said much on this or
anything at all, but certainly our fish producers are concerned
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about that, and it creates this odd state where we
once had a united team Canada. Now there's a bit
of sniping. How significant is the sniping rub it's well.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Right now, it's on the edge's him, but I don't
know if it gets more serious. Because Mark Parney has
a very very difficult balancing act.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
He's got to.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Appease the oil patch for Danielle Smith, but also not
tick off David Ebe who doesn't want a pipeline going
through his province to the Pacific. You've got Doug Ford
saying don't lift the tariffs on EV's China and other
provinces saying you should because it's hurting our then and
to see now you're the new premier that the Premier
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designate in nwfin Land and Labrador hasn't yet said as
far as I know, where he would where he sits
on on that. But I mean, if it's hurting the
the you know, the fishery, then obviously you would want
to or the seafood producers and processors, you would be
obviously concerned about that if I were him.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, and uh, I don't know if he's spoken to
the Prime Ministry yet. All of that to be determined.
Let's talk about it.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
We do know that he has, we do, Okay, the
Premier Designant spoke to Carnie. Uh I think the day
after yeah, the day after the election he spoke to ok.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, all right, well there you are breaking some news
in Newfoundland. I don't think we knew that yet. Look
at you Toronto delivering for Newfoundland. All right, uh now,
speaking of delivering for Newfoundland, she used to landa payne,
very popular in Newfoundland and Labrador. She's, of course one
of us. She's the head of Unifor. She and her
counterpart Flavio Volpe, who represents the auto parts manufacture, have
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been ringing five alarm fire bell saying that the auto
industry is in jeopardy. How real is that and how
much is that being felt in Ontario?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Wrap, It's very real and it is being felt, and
Flaviovope knows because he's a president of the Auto Parks
Manufacturer Association. How important the extra industries around an auto
plant are, the people that supply these auto plants. So
the big news, of course here in Ontario this week
has been the loss of the Jeep Compass, which is
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the vehicle that's manufactured in Brampton, Ontario, suburb of Toronto
at the Salantis plant there, formerly a Chrysler plant, now
known as Stilantis. This is a huge deal. Three thousand
jobs are at Steak here, they're moving. The replacement vehicle
is going to be in Illinois. It's a big push
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that Stilantis is doing.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Now.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Silantis is getting a lot of production tax credit for
other plants, including in Windsor, Ontario near the Detroit border,
right across the river from Detroit. And that's like billions
in federal and provincial production credits. Now they haven't got
the money yet, but they're going to produce EV batteries
there and when they do, they get paid. You know,
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four I think it's four or five thousand dollars in
tax credits for batteries him.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So that's a big chunk of change.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
So now Doug Ford's worried about it, Markarney's worried about it.
Melanie Jelly is talking about suing.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Stilantis for breaking their word.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And this is all thanks to Donald Trump's tariffs that
have created so much uncertainty that companies like Stilantis, which
were already kind of pretty precarious are are are making
decisions like this which are not good for Ontario and
therefore aren't good for Canada. I mean, I remember, Ontario
is accountable for forty percent of the Canadian GDP, so
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it's not good when it's so that they're they're very
worried about it, and Lanta.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Pan Full just go. I'm in unifors at the Toronto Star.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yes, that represents us so and and and we've got
a lot of time for Lanta as well at our place.
But yeah, she has a tough like hers, so she's
that's three thousand jobs in that local is a huge
uniform local. And in fact, it's interesting it's one of
the locals, the uniform locals that endorsed Premium doug Ford's
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Progressive Conservatives in the last election, so he's very close
to the situation as well for the workers and for
the company.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, and as I said earlier, tons of new Foinland
are still in that industry, so we watch it with
interest as well. All right, Rob, you have a good weekend.
Thank you for making time for us. O jays go
exactly all right, buddy, take care when we come back.
We've got an interview with Larry Brock, the Conservative Member
of Parliament from Ontario, shadow Minister of Justice and the
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Attorney General. Stand by for that a federal Conservative Member
of Cartman who was also the Shadow Minister for Justice
and the Attorney General's Office. Has been in Newfoundland and
Larbrary or visiting the community of twilling Gate. He's doing
a series of town halls in Atlantic Canada and we've
caught up with him, and that is MP Larry Brock.
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He's from Ontario. Larry, how's your trip to Newfoundland been
so far?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Well, good afternoon, Tim, Thanks for having me on your show.
This is a lovely province. I've not been back, probably
for about forty years. Long over. I wish the weather,
I wish the weather were a little better. But had
a great evening yesterday in Twillingate, attended by about sixty
seventy passionate community members who just want to live in
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a peaceful community and are very very upset at the
state of play within this country of ours in terms
of the rising crime levels. I wasn't aware of just
how dangerous twilling Gate has actually become, and even more
pronounced given the fact that they've got a limited number
of RCMP officers who don't work twenty four to seven,
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actually works shift work, and sometimes given a home invasion
in that area of twilling Gaate, you might wait for
forty eight hours before you get a police response. So
not appropriate at all.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
No, it's tough in rural Newfoundland and certainly you will know, Larry.
You've just come into Newfoundland after the provincial election. One
of the top issues was public safety and community safety.
I believe all three party leaders had promised new measures,
including the new premier elect Tony Wakem to try and
get more RCMP officers, But of course that's a federal issue.
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What were you able to tell the people of Twillingate
about what needs to be done to help get more
RCMP officers in the community.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, there was one community member that actually post a question,
and I really didn't have a concrete answer for basically
said to me, mister Brock, why is it for so
long that we've only had one training center across this country.
Why not have a Western training center and an Eastern
training center and provide incentives for our own young men
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and women to enter the RCMP with an incentive to
stay on the island and provide services to many rural committees.
It was a great, great suggestion, and I said, you
know what, I'm going to take this back. I have
a meeting planned with the RCMP Commissioner coming up in
a couple of weeks, so I intend on I'm raising
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these issues because Tim, I've been across this country literally
since last January, hearing from the people on the ground
what their concerns are what their response has been to
the level of policing in their communities, and it's a
very consistent message. They want more resources, they want more
response time, and they want the police. And they're very
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proud of the police when they do their job, because
they are doing their job to keep community safe, but
are completely frustrated with our Canadian criminal justice system that
allows these repeat violent offenders to continually get bail under
the current regime and ultimately get sentenced, and there's no
really deterrent impact on their ability to refrain from this
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type of criminal activity. So they're very frustrated. I've given
them a lot of suggestions as to what a conservative
government would do to address all of that, and I said,
until such time, we are going to push the Carneie
Liberal government to make those necessary changes, which is probably
a good segue into Prime Minister Carney's announcement yesterday.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Larry, you could do my job. You are on fire today, Sarah,
I am going to go there. We will get to
the Prime Minister's bail reform announcement of yesterday, but before
we do, I do want there's one question that came
to mind as you were talking about your conversation and
twillingate where are we in Canada with recruitment and retention
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in the RCMP. We know we're not doing as well
as we should in the military. What's the state of
play in the RCMP?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Interesting question. Last week the National Police Federation had their
National Day of Action in Ottawa, met with probably about
one hundred different MPs. I was one of them, and surprisingly,
given my tour of Canada and my discussions with numerous
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municipal and provincial police services, the RCMP does not have
a recruitment problem like the rest of Canada does. In fact,
the numbers are through the roof, according to the representatives
of the federation, so great great demand. The service is
not being demoralized at the state of play in our
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criminal justice system like some services are. It's a real challenge. Yes,
they do have a number of people who are off
on leave for a myriad of issues, PTSD a myriad
of issues, but nevertheless there is still a high high
demand and using whatever resources they have to attract further
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further talent, they're actually trying to speed up the process
of training up an RCMP officer from the current system.
They're going to try to epidite the process because they
know communities such as Tooling Gates certainly could use the
extra resource. So that's a very positive measure I think
the RCMP are doing. But I intend on having a
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nice fulsome conversation with a commissioner and trying to advance
the prospect of an Eastern training facility somewhere in Atlanta, Canada.
I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, it's fascinating because forever it's always been in Regina.
All right, no more waiting. Let's talk about the Prime
Minister's announcement of yesterday. He has come out and some
would say it opted some of the conservative arguments about release,
releasing offenders and now with saying he's going to reform
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the process where the onus is going to be not
on the crown but on the accused to make the
case that they are able to be released and returned
to the community and the community will be safe. There
were some other measures in there, but your reaction to
the Prime Minister's announcement of yesterday.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
It's sell too short, way too short. You know, the
devil will be in the details, tim The legislation will
be rolled out next week. I'll take a look at
the fine details, but just the high level talking points.
It was very reminant if you recall from a few
years back, when after several years of advocacy by the premiers,
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by mayors, by police chiefs, presidents of police association and
victim groups, the Liberal government under Justin Trudeau only released
Bill C forty eight that was designed to make it
exceedingly difficult for repeat offenders commit serious violence offenders from
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ever getting bail. I was very critical then, as I
remained very critical now. Simply adding more reverse bus provisions
to criminal charges is not going to be the answer
when you still have in place a Liberal bill, Bill
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C seventy five, which was introduced in twenty nineteen and
introduced the principle of restraint, which instructs judges and justices
of the piece every single day when they hear bail
applications to release the accused at the earliest opportunity on
the least restrictive conditions. So tim hypothetically Prime Minister Carney
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could reverse theess of every single charge in the one
thousand page long Criminal Code of Canada and unless and
until such time as they repeal the principle of restraint.
We will still have the revolving door of justice, the
catch and release system that is frustrating to so many
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Canadians who simply want to live a peaceful, crime free lifestyle.
We want to replace that principle of restraint with the
principle of public.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
Safety and protection.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
That's why I was profoundly disappointed when they Liberal government
voted down our Jail Not Bail Act, which will had
as a central purpose the repeal of the principle of
restraint to get back to a balanced approach to our
justice system where the constitutional rights of the accused are
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equally balanced and equally as important as community safety and
the protection of victims. I'm a former chron attorney tim
after serving almost twenty years with the Ontario chron Attorney Association.
I have been in the trenches. I have done bail hearings.
I've done thousands of bail hearings. I saw firsthand the
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impact of Bill c seventy five and twenty nineteen, where
literally I was fighting every day to keep these violent
repeat offenders in custody, only to be met with, Well,
mister Brock, the federal government has dictated we have to
release these individuals at the earliest opportunity on the least
restrictive conditions. Therein lies the problems. So your listeners should
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be very very critical of what they hear from Prime
Minister Carney because this is literally a carbon copy of
what we heard from former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that
this is going to result in safe communities.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, we will certainly be following the debate because as
unfortunately as the case in Newfoundland and Labrador, as it
is in many parts of Canada, we hear more about
crime and more concerns are raised, and it's multifaceted, but
good to get your perspective on it today. Larry, thank
you for joining us, Thank you for making the time.
It is appreciated.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Thank you so much. Jim, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
All right, We've got Charlie Burns standing by. But before
we go to break, just a reminder, because it's broken
mostly today. Peer Polyev taking some justified heat for calling
the RCMP commissioner despicable and suggesting the RCMP did not
deliberately did not charge members of the Justin Trudeau members
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of his government, and in his opinion, they should have.
That story will continue over the weekend. I suspect Larry
Brock will get questions about that the next time he
speaks to somebody in the media. But when we come
back we're and talk a little bit more about the
Newfoundland election, we'll get Charlie Burns's thoughts on where to
go from here with the Liberal Party. Back with Charlie
in a moment. When elections end, often more work begins,
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and that's certainly the case if you weren't successful in
an election, and both the Liberal Party and the NDP
probably hoped they might have done better, though in the
case of the NDP too, is probably a pretty good
outcome for the Liberals. Holding government and growing was likely
their preferred route. Charlie Burne, it kindly joins us often
on this program. Charlie of course works with global public affairs.
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It's done lots of work in politics, particularly in Liberal politics.
Wanted to get Charlie on today just for some early
thoughts on where next for the Liberal Party. Charlie. Look,
it never it's never a joyous to lose an election,
but everybody does, and you do for a variety of
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reasons and different circumstances. It's arguably never just one thing.
You look now at what the past should be for
the Liberal Party, what comes to mind about how they
should assess this election and plan to go forward?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Well, and thanks for having me on, and first and
foremost allow me to offer my congratulations to Tony Wakeam
and his government somebody in the election, and you know,
certainly wish them well. I've spoken this program several times
with the Churchill Hall deal. I thought it was a
good deal under Andrew Fury, under John Hogan, and I'll
say it's a good deal under Preier awakem And I
hope given I think the ambitious timeline that he's laid out,
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which is referendum and review and given the back election,
I encourage him to get on the phone with Career
and Ago if he hasn't already. But just just out
of campaign perspective for the Liberal Party, I mean, where
do they go next? You know the obvious Steff obviously
is to have a campaign review and get into the
districts and figure out what went wrong and what was
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rice you know, even the ones that they did win.
You take somebody like bred Hutton who increased his own
share by I think eleven hundred votes from twenty months ago.
You know why, why did that happen. What did what
did his campaign do right to where all their districts
lost folks, volks share they lost folks. So I think,
you know, that has to happen. That has to happen soon.
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And again it's the winning districts and districts were lost
in The party needs to bring in not nextarily somebody
from the outside, but somebody who wasn't involved in the
campaign to conduct that review so that they can learn
the lessons going forward.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I think it's important for people to understand too, because
sometimes the public discussion about reviews turns into oh, I
got to blame her, I got to blame him, and
they shouldn't be part of it. But a review has
to be more than that, right, I mean, it really
does have to say, yep, we did this well and
we sucked at that and here's why, making it less
about people and more about process and approach.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Oh one hundred percent that. I mean, this isn't about
you know, pointing figures and it it's not the time
for that right now. I mean there's a structure here
that was put in place that clearly didn't work, and
parts of it did. I mean, at the end of
the day here the Liberal Party received I don't know
what the number was, but I want to say it
was one percent less than the popular vote.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, it was one percent less. It was.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah. You know, you've got I think one hundred and
eighty votes probably that set greatest three districts that would
have made this a tie. So you know, there's a
lot here for them to look at and say, okay,
we did right. But clearly in those final into the
miles things went wrong. And that's what it has been about,
you read, it has be about the process and what
system could have put in place for the next time
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around to be more successful.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Invariably, because the nature of Canadian politics and global politics
is all leader centric, people are going to ask, and
some have already, at least in the public, you know,
should John Hogan stay or go? Knowing that Premier, well,
he's still Premier. Hogan only was elected into his position
in May, and of course you went through a federal
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leadership review. How do you think it's a party ought
to deal with that? I mean, ultimately it's up to
John Hogan, first of all, if he wants to stay
and wants to fight. But thoughts on how the question
of leadership should be handled.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, the most political parties in their constitution will have
a clause for a leadership advice their election loss. Right,
So I think I think the Liberal Party of the
New Kalyan Library probably has a leadership review question in
their constitution after an election loss. But you're right, you know,
so there will be one like that will happen. But
you're right, it is up to it is up to
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mister Hogan. You'll want to take some time and reflect,
spend some time in his family. Just saw what he
wants to do. And you know, from my perspective, I
do think he would be an excell leader of the opposition.
He is a lawyer, you know, especially as the government
I think looks to get the Churchill Falls MoU over
the line. No one knows that better deal than John
O right now. And I think he'll be a good
voice in the House Assembly. And and look, I think
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everybody on our side wants to see that happen, and
so I think the Cockets would strongly support him in
that endeavor. But again, like you said, at the end
of the day, it will be it will be up
to him and what he wants to do.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
And it should be. It leads that leaders put a
lot on the line, regardless of party, and they should
at least have the opportunity in the early days to
decide where they go. Charlie, how much of this campaign
was about the Conservatives also seemingly in the right number
of districts getting the messaging right. You and I talked
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about this a little bit during the campaign. Tony wakem
stayed generally away from the MoU which is what Premier
Hogan wanted to talk about, and focus more on healthcare,
affordability and crime. Having talked to winning Conservative candidates, they
say that was vital. What's your take on that? On
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the message, Jing and the you know, the so called
valid question.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
So I think you know, from an actual ideas perspective,
the difference between what the progressive Conservatives and the liberals
said about healthcare, public safety, and affordability is negligible. Right
like it was, it was almost exactly the same. I
think you know where the Conservatives did very well is
that perhaps if you look at some digital advertising and
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meta advertising on Facebook, they were able to pump that
messaging into in the districts, and I don't know that
the Liberal party did that quite as effectively. You know,
I think from my perspective, whenever you open up Facebook,
not that I use Facebook a whole time, but you
were getting served Tory ads about you know, healthcare being
bad and about crime being high, and same on YouTube
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as my father, who actually wanted so told me that.
So I think they were probably more effective at waving
their arms with those issues. And I think again, if
we sat down and looked at the two books, that
the differences were very minor, and I think the Little
Party hope that the big difference would behay these guys
don't support this deal that's going to help us pay
for all these things we do, and at the end
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of the day, I think, you know, we fell short
on communicating that to people in an effective way.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Last one for you, of course, you used to We
talked about this before. It used to be with M
five m QO. Part of M five MQO may have
had the closest poll and the one that was most
accurate in this selection campaign, whereas at least the public
polls and there are a number of national polls in
the last weekend that were way off the mark. I mean,
you advise campaigns, you advise leaders what's the lesson on
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data here that you see in these early days.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, so I just you know what one quick comment
I guess about another piece, I do want to just say,
you know, in terms of the group that's going into opposition,
I think there is some things to be excited about.
You know, you do have four new mhade, You've got
a mayor and deputy mayor. You've got two young individuals
and Mike King Keith White who have had a lot
of experience in governments. And I guess my advice to
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all those folks would be that, you know, be a respectful, positive,
sossful opposition, because I think Canadians are sick of opposition
parties that you know, just say everything is bad all
the time, and you know, make arguments that are not believable.
So just for example, your your previous scholar, I get.
I guess he's got a job to do, but you know,
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saying that Pere Jesson, Trudeau and Mark Cardi are the
same people are not really viable arguments. So that would
be my advice to those folks, and I think they've
got to be possil and respectful. But just on data,
I think very quickly from my perspective. You know, I'm
not a pole, I'm not a data scientist, but I
do think that the polls that were weigh off for
what you call IVR polls, I you know, they're not
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as reliable. I think the lesson here needs to be that,
you know, other methods of data collection, like live telephone
calling and online panels are more reliable. But there is
a problem across North America with getting conservative voices. So
I think you need to take that with a great assault.
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And you can't look at it and say, hey, we're
winning this much. And if you do look at that
mto hole, it.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
Was the closest one.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
It was within the mergeon of the ear, and that
was a telephone pole, a live telephone pole where they
actually speak to somebody, and it was an online panel pole.
So I would encourage any political party that's going forward
to use that type of data. I mean, that's the
way Avocus Data collects data. That's the way I think
narrative research collects their data. Like that is the more
effective method. And I think that's improven time and time
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again in elections, and it's what it should be. The
standards that parties.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Adopt talking to humans. It can still pay dividends. No
truer thing has been said today. All right, Charlie got
to leave it there. Thank you, appreciate the time as.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Always, thank you for the time to take care of us.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
All right, that is our friend, Charlie Burne giving a
bit of a retrospective on the Case campaign. Well, it
seems I only talk to this guy when a rock
star dies and another one has. Ace Freely, the original
league guitarist of Kiss. But thankfully Chris Batstone's alive again
to talk about another dead guy, Chris, I think the
last time we talked it was about Ozzie. Like this
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whole generation now, I mean, as seventy four Ace Freely does,
that's not that old. But these guys didn't live easy either.
Ace Freely, what what can you say is his sort
of contribution to modern rock and roll and Kiss and
the and the brand that they were and the influence
that they had.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Yeah, I think he had a huge influence on it.
Of course, being one of the original members of Kiss
and being on board with the character scenario, you know,
the spaceman was was Ace and you know, and being
involved in what Kiss was because they were just so
so different.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
But you know, I think that Ace's.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Contribution really was as far as playing goes anyway to
classic rock, like a style of playing that wasn't flashy
at all, but just you know, fit every moment. Like
he was a great lick guy. He was a great
riff guy.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
You know.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
I mean he took solos, no question about it, and
a solos were great. But I think that's what people
really remember, like a bit like those Little League guitar licks,
like and shouted out loud like that thing is is
going to live forever. Yeah, I think that. Yeah, I
think that's more his contribution to the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, I'm stuck hearing Detroit Rock City all day. And
you know, that's not their most famous tune, but it's
one that I think captures them so well, like the grit,
the toughness, but also the uniqueness. If I remember anything
about Kiss beyond the costumes and you and I are
of a certain vintage. I mean they were on television
for a while, if you remember, they had a show
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they were They weren't the biggest singers of the day,
but they had a way of getting attention and it
was blending the costume with the music. Tell us a
little bit about that, Chris.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Oh yeah, the Kiss were such expert branders, and they
weren't afraid to go beyond the music.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Really.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
They were kind of one of the first bands that
kind of treated music as you know, not their main thing,
but one of the things that they do, you know,
because they had you know, some.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Some movies, you know.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
In nineteen seventy six, they did something really really, really
really out there. They released four solo albums at the
same time, which nobody had ever done, and weren't afraid
to appear on television and weren't afraid to have their
music involved with all kinds of things. And I think that,
you know, they weren't afraid to go for it, you know,
(39:48):
and also had that vision to do it, like lots
of bands don't have that vision like they or they're
just involved in their own songwriting and that's what they
want to do. But Kiss wanted way more, you know,
they wanted to be involved in everything, and that's the
you know, the trail they blazed.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
It's interesting to us reading about Freely and of course
he comes out of that New Jersey area and there
are a lot of people came out of New Jersey
in the sort of seventies and eighties, the Boss being
another one. You know, bon Jovi. What is it about
that area that produced all these rock and roll legends.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Know, it's really something. It must be something in the
water there, you know, Springsteen and bon Jovi, and then
like I said, Ace Freely. I don't know, there's something
about it that's that's tough, that's working class, but also
very extrovert. You know, also something like they're they're out there,
you know, and and they're not.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Afraid to put themselves out there.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
So they kind of got that, you know, working class
but also that New York toughness.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Because they're so close.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
Yeah, so it's a it's a really nice mix.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, it kind of it fit the seventies in the eighties,
but kind of transcend it. There's a there's almost an
originality and authenticity that they preserved. Last last question for you,
why do you think Freeley's death is getting the attention today?
I mean, he's not Gene Simmons, he's not Paul Stanley,
two of the bigger unknown members of the band. Of course.
Gene Simmons married to Newfoundlanders Shannon tweet. So the local
(41:16):
connection there. But why do you think we're talking about
him today? Well, I think it's because of the effect that.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Ace had on his bands. I mean, that's that's the
bottom line. You Like, you see so many guitar players,
especially coming out and just saying like he was my favorite,
and it's because Ace was just so musical. He brought,
you know, real musicality to the band that you know,
maybe Gene and Paul didn't really have, Like they obviously
had great songs and the riffs and the anthems and
(41:45):
stuff like that, but I think that Ace is playing
really brought a tremendous amount of musicality that people appreciated.
And I think that is in short supply right now,
so I think people are going to miss it.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Well, Chris, hopefully the next time we talk somebody hasn't
died and we can talk about some unique modern contribution
that's happening. But always good to talk to you, buddy.
Thank you for your time, all right, Tim, thanks for
having me on. Take care that is our colleague, Chris
Batstone from k Rock talking about Ace freely when we
come back. You want to stand by for this important
(42:20):
you can help. The Gathering Place has a winter clothing drive.
We're going to talk to Andrew Holme from the Gathering
Place about what you can do. Back with Andrew in
a moment.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
The Tim Power Show.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Join the conversation weekday afternoons at four pm on your VOCM.
Talking to you with a hat on and a winter vest.
Even though I'm inside, i am cold. It is getting
colder and that means there are needs for winter, and
the Gathering Place is trying to address them. To talk
to us about that. We're joined by Andrew Holme. Andrew
(42:53):
is the manager of fund development and Partnerships at the
Gathering Place. Andrew, Yeah, to all all of our unfortunate realities.
It is getting colder, it's getting closer to winter, and
that means needs for winter, particularly for the services you provide.
Though you do currently have a pause on clothing donations,
(43:14):
you're gearing up to receive them and other donations. Tell
us what you're doing, Andrew, and what you need.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Tim.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
It's good to be with you.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
No.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
We always have a fair number of donations that come in.
The key, of course, is to having the right donations
at the right time.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
At the right time.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
Yeah, right, and so now it's it's getting colder, like
you said, and the evenings are getting a lot colder.
And so we all live in New plant We had
a great summer, but it's quickly coming upon us the
colder months, and so we're being asked for a lot
of warmer items in the last little while and that's
only going to increase until the new year and then onwards.
(43:55):
But now our focus is to kind of revamp our
space a little bit. We organize and make sure that
we have the right stocket. So our team is kind
of said, well, what if you put a pause on
general donations so that we can get a handle on
setting up for the winter months.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, so how is that going to work? You're asking
people to hold on those donations until October twenty seventh.
Then you will tell them what you think you will
need and what you will ask for. How will all
that work?
Speaker 6 (44:27):
Yeah, So it's a little challenging because not everyone can
get the message out. So we try to do our best.
But yeah, October twenty seventh is what we're saying. Okay,
well let's start re engaging with people. In the meantime,
we won't turn away the good, the really high valuable
things that are in high demand right now, so we'll
never turn away socks and underwear, new underwear. That's a
(44:48):
high high item that does often asked for. Of course,
winter coats and hats and gloves and sleeping bags and blankets. Okay,
if you have those things, like, don't wait till the
twenty seventh struck down and we'll definitely book in the
good us. Along with toilet trees and toilet paper, some
of the things that we end up navigating with guests is, yeah,
(45:10):
you know what you can survive without a stick of deodorant,
but it's not very dignified, and so we try to
engage with people and say, let's let's share what we have.
If you can buy an extra deodorant and donate it,
that that's fantastic. Toilet Paper is very similar, although most
would probably consider toilet paper and necessity and it's very expensive,
(45:31):
and so guests are often asking do you have a
roll of toilet paper, which is a very humbling thing
to be asked, and so we ask for those things
as well. So those are the high demand items, and
then on the twenty seventh we can kind of re
engage with the general donations as well.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
All right, got about forty five seconds. But money always
helps because it allows you to more specifically buy what
you need. If people want to donate money, how do
they do that? Andrew?
Speaker 6 (46:00):
Yeah, So you can go to our website a Kindness
Wanted ca. If there's a little boxer, you can say
donate now and you can donate there. You can also
call us at seven oh nine seven five three three
two three four and you can reach us there and
make a donation over the phone. Or we can always
drop in and say hi and make a donation a person,
(46:22):
and a lot of people do that. They like to
say hi and to thank us for the different services
them to learn more about it. We don't mind talking
with people and sharing more what we're all about.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, you do incredibly important work. Thank you for joining
us today. We'll keep spreading the word as best we
can and get you on later in the fall to
help raise some more donations. Thanks Andrew, no problem, appreciate
the time. All right, take care. That is Andrew home,
a manager of fund development and Partnerships with the Gathering Place.
(46:54):
That is our show for today. Thank you to Claudet
for all the great work this week. And every week.
Thank you to you for listening, and hopefully, hopefully, by
the time we talk on Monday, the Jays will be
in the World Series and I'll tell you all about it.
After our we go to the game Sunday night. Have
a great weekend. For now, I'm Tim Powers. Bye.
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