The Tim Powers Show March 24th

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Is that Tim Power Show on your VOCM. The views
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Here's Tim, Hello everyone, it is What is it? Monday,
March twenty fourth day two day two of the federal
election campaign. Only twenty seven more days to go and
want to start. We are off to, of course, the
Liberal Leader as he is now styled. During the election campaign,

(00:31):
Mark Kearney was in Saint John's, he was in Gander.
We'll talk about that a little bit later. We have
a little bit of controversy in the Avalon riding. We'll
talk a little bit about that later as well. In
a little bit we're gonna call that little section we're
gonna call campaign around Up and try and do that
throughout the course of the campaign on different days when

(00:51):
there's a lot to talk about. We will in a
few minutes get the take doctor Lori Turnbull from Dell
House University about how things kicked off. We'll then move
after doctor Turnbull to our campaign roundup, and in that
we are going to talk about, as I say, Avalon

(01:13):
on Mark Kearney's visit. Then we're going to move to
doctor Mark Bowrie. He has published a new book which
has been rushed out in time to coincide with the election,
called Ripper, and it is about Pierre Poliev will get
his take and get an explanation of the title. Has
nothing to do just want to dispel any negativity that

(01:36):
forms up in these moments, and nothing about Jack the Ripper.
It's a term doctor Bowery came across when he was
writing about COVID and different types of classifications of people.
So we'll talk to him about that. We're going to
talk to Cole Hogan, who's a conservative commentator, to get
his take on what the conservatives need to do as

(01:56):
this election kicks off. And then moving entire away from
all of this, we're going to talk about the Gonzaga
boys basketball team in a pretty cool achievement that they
had with their coach. So we'll have a little bit
of break from politics, but we do want to focus
on politics as the election has begun, and also want
to ask you give us some ideas of things you'd

(02:18):
like to hear over the next twenty eight days. Klaudette
and I are all ears on that. This morning, I
had the chance to attend a breakfast for Memorial University
alumni who was in Toronto. Doctor Fury, the Premier was
the speaker. A couple of interesting things came out of that,
if they've not already been reported, it was a public form,

(02:41):
so I can certainly speak to them. Doctor Fury made
the point that has been made by his government before
that he would like to see the ode to Newfoundland
brought back to the convocation. He made a very passionate
argument about that as part of his closing remarks, made
some comments. And we'll ask doctor Lory Turnbull about this

(03:03):
about Daniel Smith, the Premier of Alberta, and the controversy
she finds herself in, though she denies that she's ever said.
And I think what she's accused of saying is that
when she met with Donald Trump in Florida before the
Canadian All Action, before he was inaugurated, that she encouraged
him to not play an active role in the Canadian campaign,

(03:26):
stay out of it. Allegedly, she argued that Pierre Polliev
was like minded and the like. She says that's not true.
Breitbart published it, other news outlets are running with it.
So we'll talk through it. You can choose to determine
yourself the veracity of it all. But Doctor Feury talked
a little bit about that this morning at our breakfast

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and made the point that I will understate his comments
weren't necessarily helpful comments by Premier Smith, but such is
the case different premiers with different agendas from time to time.
The other thing I wanted throw out there before I
go to doctor Turner is a hearty congratulations because I
saw him this morning. Tom Harrington, Yes he's on the CBC.

(04:09):
Who cares. He's done great work for Newfoundland and Labrador.
He's a great voice, great representative, done tons of work
for Canada. Of course, takes his roots. He's a proud
Newfoundland or and a laboratory and this is his last
week after forty four years at the CBC, in his

(04:29):
most current assignment at the World at six. He's done
after this week, of course, is also a reach for
the top champion. So to Tom, as I said today,
I'll say it again in these public airways, congratulations and
thank you. You've done impressive service for the country and
for your province. You've been a great representative of Newfoundland
and Labrador and your family, of course well known for

(04:52):
its commitment to Newfoundland and Labrador. Journalism and healthy public discourse.
So to you and to all your family, thank you.
Let me move to my first guest, doctor Lourie Turnbull,
who said she was going to be excited about the
election campaign. Let's see if she's calm down now. How
how was the first day, Laurie? I mean, was it riveting?

(05:14):
What's your take on day one? And where we're Hanna's Oh?
I thought it was okay? Why not?

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I mean, I think it was interesting to hear Pere
Polliev's comment while Mark Carney was meeting with the Governor General,
because it seemed to me that for a minute anyway,
Paulia was talking about himself, right, He was talking about
his childhood and the circumstances and you know, kind of
giving people something to relate to. And I thought, for Polliev,

(05:44):
this is encouraging because he spent so much time running
against Justin Trudeau, and Justin Trudeau's not here now, and
the ballot question is different, and Carney is a very
different guy, and so I thought it was like from
the perspective of seeing where they can land with voters
and connecting, I thought it was good for Polyev to
put some of that attention on himself.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, then that personal story is an interesting one. He
told it. I think, if I remember correctly, Laurie a
little bit at the Conservative Convention where he officially was elected.
I think there's elements to that story that may make
him more likable to Canadians and that's an important aspect
of it all for him, because that's a knock against him.

(06:26):
What was your take on Kearnie and his kickoff?

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Well, I mean, he gets the kind of the pomp
and circumstance of getting to do his initial kickoff anyway
at Rital Hall, and so he gets the microphones and
the press roll around him, and of course Polyiev wasn't
far away, he was just across the way in Gatina.
But Carnie is saying he wants a strong and positive mandate,

(06:51):
and so to me, that's Carnie saying, I want you
guys to give me a majority and I'm going to
run a positive campaign. I think he's trying to get
at Poliev when he says that and say like he's
going to campaign on what he's going to do as
opposed to take shots at the other guy.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
You know.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
I mean, I did think he had a moment where
he was enjoying the question about Daniel Smith's comments because
it gave him the moment to say, you know, I
note her alignment of Trump and Poliev, and so I
suspect that the happy moment for Karney.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Let's talk about this Daniel Smith controversy. So her comments
were originally reported by Bright bart Well, known to be
a strong right leaning news organization out of the United States,
ties to Steve Banion, who used to work the ban
and excuse me, he used to be with Donald Trump.
They report that when they were in Mary Alargo, Mary
a Largo, excuse me, that she made comments to Trump

(07:46):
to the effect that, you know, stay out of this president.
If you do that, if you don't interfere too much,
you might get somebody like Pierre Poliev who is like mine.
That I'm paraphrasing all of that. Then she says Trump
said to her something about how the Prime Minister then
Justin Trudeau said if these subs of the tariffs came forward,

(08:08):
that there would be the ruination of Canada. Again all
my words paraphrasing. People leaped on that. Yesterday poliav avoided it.
What's your take on its impact in these early days
of the campaign important to say. Smith also denied it.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
M hm, I mean I don't so for me, I
don't think this like some people are saying this is
election interference and she's inviting the Americans to interfere in
the Canadian election. I don't see it as interference as
much as I see it as an attempt to influence.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
She wants that she's got.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
An outcome that she wants. And frankly, you know, if
if Donald Trump decides that he likes one one potential
leader and he doesn't like the other potential leader, and
he says, I want to do terroists with this guy
but not this other guy, like he has a right,
however completely illogical it might be to make his economic
policy that way, if that's what he wants to do,

(09:04):
And so I don't get too caught up in that
kind of stuff. I'm more interested in the political sailience
of it, in the sense that he is trying to
negotiate matters that are extremely important to Canada's economy through
a partisan lend. And I think, you know, for her
to make the connection between Trump and Poliev and say

(09:28):
that these people are of a like mind, they would
there'd be a synergy there that's far more politically powerful
than if Carney says that himself, like holding that up
to say that a Conservative premier said that that's valuable
to him.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, and it's something of course that they are pushing
very hard in their advertising. Carnie, as you know, has
come to Newfoundland. He was in Saint John's last night,
he was in Gander, made a lot of his visit
to Gander of the historic significance Gander played in nine
to eleven. Some are also arguing that this is the

(10:09):
front end of the Tory. You get the East out
of the way and then we may not see him again. Yeah,
your take on the visits, it's important and if there's
something to that argument that, yeah, easier to do the
East in the early days and then focus on vote
Rich Ontario, Kabak and British Columbia.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, I think that's probably true. I think that Carneie,
I mean obviously as his work cut out, I did
see on his ex account that he's talking about, you know,
as you say, the important role at Gander plays has
played in nine to eleven, and you know that being
a strength and a strength of Canada, like it really
seems to me he's going to these communities and he's
trying to weave together this sense of patriotism. But frankly,

(10:51):
I don't think we've felt in a long time, and
so I think that that's something he's doing that's helping
the galvanize people. But I mean with the thing, with
everything going on with Trump, it's almost like Carney's script
rights itself, like he doesn't want to. Man, you know,
here's a time for me to start saying Canada is
strong and everybody cheers, like, you know, events, right, Like,
politics is so much about events. But I think, you know,

(11:13):
more broadly, yeah, of course he's going to do Atlantic
Canada first and then go and fight for the votes
in Ontario and in British Columbia in Quebec too, right Like,
so yeah, I'm not surprising that that.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Way last one for you. I mean, so far, there's
not a head of a lot of difference. I mean,
it is day one, day two between the two campaigns
in terms of what they're pushing. The degree is a
little different. But tax cuts, I mean, who would have
thought we would have seen Prime Minister Justin Trudeau moving
forward with tax cuts? Is Mark Carney campaigning as a

(11:46):
progressive conservative, Laurian, does that help or hurt him?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Okay, yes, he's campaigning as a progressive conservative. I think
one hundred percent he is. And you know, I don't
think it's a stretch to say that there is still
very much strands of red Toryism and progressive conservatism that
are very much alive and well in Atlantic Canada, and
I think in other parts of the country too. I

(12:12):
do think he's trying to pitch something to the large
section of the population that has felt politically orsen over
the past. While he's pitching these kind of centrist ideas,
and lots of people have been talking about that, right,
like this is kind of a movement that Christy Clark
has been a part of, Like where is the center?
Why is there nobody meeting people there? Well, I think

(12:33):
Carnee is trying to do that. And yeah, I mean
it's hard in some ways to tell some of the
liberal and conservative policies apart, and the Conservatives are accusing
Carnee is stealing their policies, and you know, it's interesting
to see that come together in that way. And then
it really just puts the focus on the fact that
the election is going to be about leadership. It's going
to be about who do you want to be at
the helm.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah. I think that's right, unless there's some major surprise
along the way. At least it's holding true over and
a half, so we'll see where we are. We got
twenty odd days in Laurie. Thanks for the time is
always appreciated.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Thanks him, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
That was doctor Lorie Turnbull from Dalhousie University. When we
come back, we're gonna do our own little bit of
a campaign around up before we talked to Mark Bowery,
the author of The Ripper. Back with that in a moment.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
This is the Tim Power Show on the VOCF Bigland
FM radio network.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Welcome back on this Monday, March twenty fourth. Well, the
Liberal Leader, as he is styled during the campaign, Mark
Carney has been in the province. Let's hear what he
said last night in Saint John's First Matthew Johann Oh, okay,
thank god.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
I'm Saint John's.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
There is no better place to start the most consequential
election in our history than right here, right now. And
I want to thank, I want to thank at the
start the amazing group members of Parliament, the ministers who

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served this great province in this great country who are
here tonight.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Goody shave us, the Reagan, Yvonne. Her book's out.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yvon's book is just out, Don, And I want to
thank this amazing group standing behind me supporting me. Don, Bradshawn,
Philip Earl, Paul Connors and Tom Osborne here tonight. Oh,

(14:49):
come on up, you can you can have the microphone
if you're going to say that, listen. I want to
say one other thing just before I really get going.
I want to acknowledge, Uh, the harvesters here tonight outside
came to make their voice.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Heard, and I want to underscore, like the minister, I'm
here to.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Listen and I understand the importance of making decisions closer
to the wharf.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
And one of one of the charges.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
Our new government, my new government has given to the
Ministry Minister of Fisheries is to look at the structure
of the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and how do
we get it closer Because I know, I know the harvesters,
and we're all here for sustainable fishery and sustainable livelihoods

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and we're going to make sure that happens. Who will
continue that dialogue? Now I have a question, who's ready,
Who's ready?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Who is ready?

Speaker 5 (16:17):
Who is ready to stand up for Canada with me?

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Who is ready to win the.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
Most consequential election.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Of our lifetime?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Since well, that was the end of the Saint John's clip.
Here's Gander, Here's Mark Kearnie and Gander.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
At that time, Gander was home to over ten thousand people,
and over the course of that day, the people of
Gander welcomed more than thirty eight flights.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Sixty eight flights. Yeah, I was just it says thirty eight.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
It's sixty eight, yeah, exactly, and six thousand passengers and
pat helped call them in on that day overnight, In effect,
the town's population almost double. You didn't say no, you
didn't complain that you didn't have the resources to help.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
You showed friendship to people who were fearful and in crisis.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
You showed character.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
When people needed help, you gave it, no questions asked,
no expectations attached. It was the right thing to do,
the Canadian thing to do, and you did it, and
you made us proud. The story of that day soon
became legend, immortalized and the Canadian made Broadway hit musical

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Come from Away, and it became yet another example of
the unbreakable bond between the Canadian and American people, because
when Americans are in need, Canadians have always shown up,
whether during the Iranian hostage crisis, or a few months

(18:13):
ago with the California wildfires, or in Afghanistan where we
lost one hundred and fifty eight Canadian Armed Forces members
and seven civilians.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
We showed up.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Canada showed up for America.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
And that was not just in times of calm when
it's easy, but in times of crisis when it's hard,
not just when it's convenient.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
But when it's necessary. We've always been by American side.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
And that, of course was the Liberal leader in Ghana
earlier today, no doubt, a very symbolic place to have
the second big event of the campaign for the Liberals
wanting to demonstrate again how as he said in Swords,
Canada has stood with the United States. So that's the
Liberal leader. A little bit of early controversy on the

(19:19):
Conservative side, as reported by Terry Roberts, the CBC decisioned
by the Conservative Party of Canada to appoint Steve Kent,
a former PCMHA Deputy Premier and municipal administrator with the
City of Mount Pearl, as the party's candidate in the
Newfoundland and Labrador riding of Avalon. As two of the
candidates crying foul. We talked to Braydon O'Brien last week

(19:43):
Brandon O'Brien excuse me last week about his hopes there,
and the other candidate who was hoping to have her
name go forward on about was Jessica Babb, who's a
Carboneer lawyer. Both reacted earlier today to the CBC, expressing shock, disappointment.
They feel, as they have described it, that perhaps they

(20:05):
weren't given the true goods. We'll see how this plays out.
We're hoping we can talk to Jessica Babb in the
next couple of days. Probably not the way Steve can't
want it to start his campaign in Avalon. It is
within the right of any party to appoint their candidates,
but you do tend to like that to get done

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without controversy and upset from inside your own ranks. Does
that change what happens in Avalon as this campaign goes on,
We'll see, and we'll keep following the story. But when
we come back. We're going to talk to doctor Mark
Borie Bowery. Mark is the author of The Ripper, a
new biography on Pierre Polyev. Back with him in a moment.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
The lines of Face is that Tim Power show on
the VOCF Bigland FM radio network.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
No doubt, many of our listeners, and many of those
people are consuming the election, are still trying to figure
out who the main leaders are. They're getting fed information
from the various political parties and presented image of how
they would like you to view them. But there's some
different books out there that give you the opportunity to
dive a little deeper. Of course, Mark Kearney has one

(21:16):
out called Values, and with us we have doctor Mark. Bori.
Mark is the author of Ripper, The Making of Pierre Polyev.
Mark has written numerous books. He's an author, he's a lawyer,
he's a journalist. The book I Understand Mark is now
also available in many Intogo out let's. Is that right?
Because we want to sell books for your first Mark? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (21:37):
Sell?

Speaker 7 (21:38):
Well, yeah, it's out everywhere. Yeah, every book?

Speaker 2 (21:42):
So are anywhere right? Good? Are you good?

Speaker 7 (21:45):
Because places that sell I don't know, wead or dogs
they might have copies. But it's out.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well good. Now let's get to the title. Because some
may hear the title, they may bring them back to
a notorious serial killer in Britain's history. But the title
ripper doesn't come from there. Tell us where it comes from.

Speaker 7 (22:09):
No, no, and it doesn't mean anything else other than
what I'm in the sadies. There was a column in
The New York Times by one of their conservative columnsts
talking about rippers and weavers, and that was during the
during COVID hre at the beginning of COVID, this fellow
wrote a column saying, there are two types of politicians.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
There are rippers, people who sort of tearing.

Speaker 7 (22:31):
Things apart, and there are weavers, people who bring other
people together, trying to work together to find solutions. And
this brilliant genius said that COVID would be a time
when the weavers came forward and pulled people together for
some sort of greater good.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
And that didn't really work out.

Speaker 7 (22:51):
But I liked that idea, that there are two types
of politicians, and so I use that for my Booktael And.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
It's certainly a catchy title. And when you are wanting
people to invest in your books, titles matter. So beyond
the title, I mean, paint a picture of the Pierre
Pollief you saw learned about as you pulled the book together.

Speaker 7 (23:18):
A complicated person. I don't think that the people could
think they know him, really do know how he works.
He's smart, he works very hard, he's very determined, and
I think in a way, especially a way for politicians,
he's quite honest about.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Who he is.

Speaker 7 (23:38):
On the other side of the coin, he's a person
who's stuck as an angry teenager.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
That really blew me away when I was.

Speaker 7 (23:46):
Reading all the stuff that was written about him and
stuff he wrote going right back to early high school.
How little this guy's changed.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Over the years.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
He gloms onto politics as as a kid around fourteen
years old after hurting himself. He was very much of
the sports and that's how he kind of sort of
anger and aggression of and then he brought that the
politics and he developed a political ideology when he was
fourteen fifteen, sixteen, and it's never ever changed.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
And in terms of people who participated, it was important
to get this on the record. Did Polyev himself or
any of his senior team participated in this book? Is
I think they did? With the book that Andrew Lawton did.

Speaker 7 (24:33):
No, no, no, no, that's very very different products, I'm afraid. Yeah,
but there's the thing about Paulia much more than maybe
you and me. So you know, with unless I got
into like the police records and stuff on you, well.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
There's a lot of Thosemark, there's a lot of that.

Speaker 7 (24:53):
He's so well written.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Up all his life.

Speaker 7 (24:55):
This is he's just completely on the record. So that
was fine, but they blocked me off Facebook and everything.
It was it was really bizarre. And and then you
know sort of just said, well you talked to his opponents,
well they were they were just as useless because when
I went to talk to liberals, all they ever told
me was this crazy stuff that was unprovable and it's

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just unprintable. So so I used a lot of the
written record. But I'm a trade the story, and I
have a doctor in history, and so the written record
is what I'm familiar with and really like to work with,
and it makes great evidence when you're holding the court.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
So whatever, and you you found early letters he wrote
as a not even a teenager, was eleven twelve, I
think to to the paper. So as you say, there's
a whole body of Pierre poly A body of Pierre
Polyev's work that goes back to his early childhood. Is
that right?

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (25:49):
Yeah, And we're not talking about interesting stuff. Sorry, I'm
trying to sell books. No, but but stuff. It's uh
for for a very young person writing a letter to
the editor of the local paper to say that the
increase in Canadian big candidate pension plan premiums is going
to destroy the.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Future for youth.

Speaker 7 (26:13):
It's just wonky. But that's the kind of stuff. Like
he's just like I said, he starts as peer Pauliff.
He is Peer Pauliff the first time you come across
anything about him. He is the guy that we know
of today.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
So if this election is about leadership and dealing with
Donald Trump, what will people find in your book that
will help them assess his leadership skills.

Speaker 7 (26:40):
Well, they're going to find how he did it and
how he became a leader, and who brought him there.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
And so they're going.

Speaker 7 (26:49):
To see basically a guy who is an original Reform
Party person, a guy who who operates in many ways
like Trump, with the rallies and the slogans, the insults,
and they're not gonna see much in terms of what
he would do if he got elected. Nothing, the usual

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sort of tax cats and stuff, lots and lots of slogans,
and normally maybe that would work, especially in provisional politics,
people get like like that get elected and sometimes they're
doing right. I just worry that he would be just
weak at the knees if you ever kind of got
down to the White House to see Trump. And I

(27:33):
know they try and distance themselves cuite a lot Paul evidentories,
but they were team Trump last summer and that. But
of course that was before Trump started talking about taking
over Canada. And I really really draw the lions saying
that I don't believe that pure Paul believes in Canada.

(27:53):
I think he does believe in Canada, but I don't
think he's the right guy for right now.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Last one for you, and then we'll hope to help
sell some books for you. What was the most surprising
or interesting thing you learned on the journey about Pierre Paul?
I was I was.

Speaker 7 (28:14):
Parker protests stuff that I learned about him. I think
that was a big part of it. Everyone they can
described the Paul no matter what side they are on this.
Nothing was how small the world is how people he knew,

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the people he met at college, the people who became
buddies with, they're the people that have been running the
Conservative Party ever since. And I know, it's a small world,
and you know different lands of small place and even
Ontario is a small place.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
And when I raised my.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
Kids, I said, you know, you got to watch what
should say about people in this country, because really they
say it's forty million, but maybe it's really the talent
of three thousand. You just getting across paths with people
all the time, and then they end up going to
school being in the same class as Stephen Harper's kids.
You know, it's and and this group of folks that

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he that he meets are going to be really familiar
to anybody.

Speaker 6 (29:18):
Who knows Canadian conservative politics and and and how they
bring this guy all the way from you know, from
from being like a kind of middling student at the
University of Calgary and right up to the edge of
being Prime minister in a really short time, bypassing all
kinds of people who have been lifelong politicians and stuff.

Speaker 7 (29:38):
It's just amazing. The the the the career arc of this.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
It's just incredible. Well, I appreciate your time. I certainly
get to pick up the book. I know others will,
Mark Barry The Ripper The Making of Pierre Paul. Thanks
for the time, Mark, Thank you, Tim. Take care all right. Well,
to give us maybe a bit of a different perspective
is Cole Hogan. Cole is a principal at g T

(30:04):
and Co. He's a digital marketing expert. He's been involved
in numerous different Conservative campaigns in Ontario and Alberta and federal.
Lely you will see him. You can follow him on
X if you're inclined at Cole W Hogan Cole Before
we maybe get your take on Pierre Polyev in response

(30:27):
to Mark Barry, though that isn't the reason I had
you on. I wanted to get your take on the
broader campaign. What is your sense of how things have
started for the Conservatives on this, you know, wopping day
one and almost a half.

Speaker 8 (30:43):
Yeah, I think things are obviously a little bit differently.
We're playing a different game than we thought we would
have been, you know, two months ago, even a month ago.

Speaker 9 (30:52):
So now it's it's a.

Speaker 8 (30:53):
Bit more of a jump ball than it was. And
I think that's why you saw, you know, Pierre Poulyev in.

Speaker 7 (30:58):
The Conservative team.

Speaker 8 (31:00):
Pierre had the rally in the middle of February, the
Canada First Rally, to sort of, you know, pivot in
a bit of a different direction, to start talking more
about Canada first, a lot about internal trade policies, inter
provincial trade, getting goods flowing east west instead of north south,
these sort of things to make us less reliance on America.

(31:23):
And I think the Conservatives did that, you know, to
put us in contrast with the Liberals and you know
the ongoing threat coming from the States.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Digital marketing is your space. You're very good at it.
One of the and again I don't want to call
them controversies. One of the early things that people noticed
was that Pierre Paulyev has decided he's not going to
tour with the national media on his planer and his buses.
That's a long campaign practice. The Liberals and the NDP
are doing that. The politics of that aside. Given your expertise,

(31:58):
can you win a campaign today using solely all of
the different social media tools that are out there?

Speaker 7 (32:08):
Absolutely? Yeah, you can.

Speaker 8 (32:10):
You know with the regarding the media on the bus too,
Like there's a way for me if you have a
big enough ad budget, you can you can get around
traditional media. There's no website or no platform on which
I cannot find a potential voter. You know, YouTube, Google, Search, Facebook,
the whole meta platform. You know, even banner ads.

Speaker 7 (32:33):
I'm gonna find you one way.

Speaker 8 (32:35):
Or another if I'm running the campaign, and I'm gonna
make sure you see our ads over and over again
during the whole campaign.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, that's the fascinating aspect of it. And anybody who
goes on there and whatever browser they use, will see, uh,
where you've been. Your histories will come back and haunt
you quite frequently. In terms of Mark Bury and the
and the Peer Poliev book, the challenge that I think
both Mark Kearney and Pierre poly E are going to

(33:03):
have to make is their best suited to lead Canada.
Now you heard Mark Kearney, or sorry, you heard Mark
Bowery offer his opinion on the challenges he sees with Pierre.
What would be your counter to why Pierre Polyev is
ready to lead? Now?

Speaker 8 (33:21):
Well, jeez, I was listening to the previous guests there
and you know he said, it's just it's just all slogans.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Well, last week.

Speaker 8 (33:28):
Pierre announced the policy a day. You know, we started
on Monday with scrapped in the whole carbon tax, the
consumer and the industrial part. Then two day we were
talking about Arctic sovereignty. Wednesday we were talking about fast
tracking the ring of fire to develop critical minerals there.
Thursday we're talking about shovel ready zones for pipeline and LNG,

(33:48):
and then Friday we're talking about you know, funding and
training two hundred and fifty thousand workers. So you know,
you can say it's all slogans all you want, but
even today, Paul, you have put out the other policy
to reduce the income tax bracket for the lowest income Canadians.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
So it's going to be.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
Day after day, there's going to be policy after policy.

Speaker 8 (34:08):
So you know, the complaint that it's all slogans, I
don't think it's true, and day after day Paul has
proven that.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
But what is it? So policy is an important aspect
of leadership. The criticism, as you heard and you spoke
to it a moment ago, is that there isn't a
whole lot of thought that's been given necessarily, it's all
about strategy and tactics. How would you respond to that?

Speaker 8 (34:35):
Well, I think there's you know, obviously things had to
shipped a little bit because well justin Trudeau was gone
and you know, Mark Kearney, the carbon tax, it's not
gone in law, but they say they're going to scrap it,
and you know, we'll see what happens there. But obviously
some sort of change need to be made in uh
messaging and policy direction, and I think that's happening here.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
So you're seeing you know, the peer.

Speaker 8 (34:59):
Polly have conservatives, you know, under the big arc of
bringing home shift things over to sort of reach as
many Canadians as possible in light of Donald Trump and
the threat of tariffs.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Before I let you go, want to get a sense
because I think this is helpful for our listeners. What
are you looking for in terms of how the campaign
is going over the first couple of weeks, because we
all have different markers and things we focus on. I
know you publish a lot about who's buying ads here
and why they're buying them and the volume of them.

(35:33):
But what are some of the things you're going to
be looking for that give you a sense of how
this is going over the first two weeks of the campaign.

Speaker 8 (35:41):
Sure, you know, on the Conservative side. It didn't take
long for the Polio Conservative team to head, you know,
straight into the GTA. I think, you know, over the
first week we'll see Paulia bouncing around Ontario trying to
show up as much of those votes because Ontario is
make or break for the Conservatives.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
BC is still in.

Speaker 9 (36:01):
Play as well.

Speaker 8 (36:02):
I think we can pick up a lot of seats there.
But the one thing I'm looking for on the Conservative
side of things is how we do in Ontario and
BC and sort of how much time we spend in
both those provinces because I think, you know, we've got
Alberta saskatch from Manitoba, but you know we need the
provinces on the other side of those provinces in order
to eke out a win.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
And what are you looking for to what? What are
you watching on the liberal side, because all good party
opposition research units do and watch that. What are you
looking for from Karnie and the Liberals to see if
they are able to have a sustaining momentum, how you
might deal with that? What what are some of the
indicators you want to see over or want to see
or pay attention to over there?

Speaker 8 (36:47):
Yeah, I think we have to see whether or not
Mark Karney is an actual political athlete. You know, care
Pauly has been doing this for quite some time. He's
in a campaign like hell, and I want to see
what and how the Liberals mount their campaign in defense.
Which provinces are they spending the most time in Are
they actually competitive in Quebec? How's Mark Carney going to

(37:09):
do during the debates in English and particularly in French?
And can they maintain you know, the slight lead they
have right now. And will Carney you know, perform in
all of those instances and in future interactions with the media.
What kind of tact is he going to take going forward?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah? All interesting to watch. All Right, we'll leave it there.
Cole Hogan, Principal GT and co Conservative Advisor, thanks for
joining us today. Appreciate the time, Cole. All right, Thanks Tim.
All right, when we come back a complete break from
the election, and we'll need a lot of those during
this campaign. We're going to talk about some achievements that
were made at Gunzaga. This is coming from a guy

(37:47):
went to Brother Rice. But this man has some powerful
advocates and he's done some great things. We'll come back
and tell you the story in a moment here on
the Tim Power Shows.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
That Tim Power Show on the VOC Bigland FM radio network.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
You want to launch an effective lobbying campaign, you need
these two women. I'm going to mention on your side.
So yesterday having an enjoyable Sunday actually watching my son
play basketball, So it was fitting. I got the message
when Patty Daily's sister and my sister, who are the
best of friends who went to school together, sent me
this note and said, you need to talk to Pat Slaney.

(38:26):
He has coached the Gonzaga boys in basketball and they've
done some incredible things over the last number of years. Pat.
I couldn't say no to that. I was fearing for
my life. I said, well, I am always happy to
talk to another coach, and I hear what you've done
at Gonzaga is impressive and you guys just have a
big win. Tell us about your boys, your team and

(38:50):
the higher on.

Speaker 9 (38:53):
You're getting me out of my comfort zone here, but
that's my job.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
That's my job, Pat, that's fair enough.

Speaker 9 (39:00):
Always definitely deserve the recognition, though, So I couldn't say no. Yeah, So,
as you just said, we just we just won our
thirds for a provincial championship in a row, which has
only been done a handful of times. I think this
is the seventh time ever it's been done, and second time,
second time at Gonzaga ever. So we have a few

(39:21):
seniors on our team, Ben Collingwood, Jared Devereau and Luca's mate.
So they are three of only four students ever at
Gonzaga to win in in all three of their years.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
So it's a pretty big compliment.

Speaker 9 (39:37):
Uh yeah, yeah, for sure. So we're pretty proud of,
Like sever still on a high over it, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
So pat that guy come from the other side, right,
I'm I'm Rice And when I was at Rice, we
had you know that Teddy Ted Burns and Jeff Whites
and Jim Waits Morris Live. We have a pretty strong
basketball team and they did very well for years and
Gonzaga didn't have what you have there. Now, what is

(40:04):
it about, particularly the three athletes that you mentioned that
makes some special I'm guessing if they've done it three
years in a row, it's dedication and commitment and just
a passion for the support, among other things.

Speaker 9 (40:17):
Yeah, no, everything you just said. They're just incredible people
and they were the leaders of the team this year,
and they really have been since they started in grade ten.
They're just a really special group with a ton of
talent and then all the intangibles to go with it.
So it's been a treat for me as a coach.
Only so often in your coaching career, so many people
get get the coach kids like that, right, So no,

(40:39):
it's been a great run. I'm sad it's all over.
It's very bittersweet. I've actually had three of those guys
as some capacity since they were in grade six, so
I've you know, got to Washington grow up and stuff.
So seeing them graduate now is going to be a
bittersweet moment for sure, for myself and for the program.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, no kidding, But it's a good record, and that's
an impressive record that helps your recruits. So how's recruiting
looking like? I mean, I realized there's some restrictions and
there's zones and all of that, But have you been
able to encourage the next generation of these three to
come up and give you guys this chance of doing

(41:17):
this again? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (41:19):
For sure.

Speaker 9 (41:20):
There isn't any recruiting as such. It's kind of just
where your zone, where you go to school and that's
kind of where you fall. But in saying that, we
do like we're turning over nine seniors this year, so
there's gonna be a lot of a lot of turnover
in the roster, but the timing is pretty much perfect.
We have probably our best rookie class coming in since

(41:41):
I've taken over as coach. Anyway, we have probably you know,
six or seven that are they're very high caliber players
that'll step in and kind of fill in some big
roles in their rookie season. So we're very fortunate that
our feeder program is so good. Like every year McDonald
drove pumps out. It's just high end town to us.
So it's you know, we've been very fortunate that way

(42:02):
that we get a lot of kids who playing call
programs and they're just high level junior high players. So
we take them. We just have to teach them how
to play high school basketball. And yeah, so we've been
very fortunate that way.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Tell me, look, we got a couple of minutes left.
Two things that really want to get at are we
graduating high school players into youth sports programs Because just
my perspective on the outside is even though we've produced
some I just mentioned a bunch of them, Jeff and
Teddy in particular, and you know, obviously Carl English and

(42:37):
others on the male side. But do we get a
lot of respect from university saying hey, there's good talent
in Newfoundland and Labrador.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
For sure.

Speaker 9 (42:46):
Yeah, it's definitely in the past. I was in the
past ten years. It's definitely gotten a lot better. We
have a lot of a lot of players that are
either you know, ending up at Memorial or they're going.
You know, there's a there's a kid from Mount Pearl
and at UNB right now, there's another kid at saying effects.
So I think more and more now, especially with the

(43:06):
rise of club basketball and Newfland more travel experiences, the
talent is able to get noticed. I think there's always
been talent here, it's just uh, you know, getting recruited
while around the Rock is tough. You don't have those
same exposure opportunities. But I think with the recent rise
of club basketball and travel teams all that good stuff,
kids are getting in front of coaches more so we're

(43:28):
able to get that talent noticed. I think it's the
biggest difference. So, no, for sure, there's more and more
every year now there's there's kids that are that are
being recruited either you know, like I said, to Memorial
or to universities or small colleges, and kids are starting
to realize that there's opportunities out there. So you know,
you see some guys get recruited and they're more willing
to put in work to kind of try to be

(43:50):
that next person who gets recruited. So now I would
say for sure it's it's on the rise.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
That's so true. When you see somebody who's a year
or two ahead of you and he's see them having progress,
it makes a difference. All Right. We had about a
minute here from one coach to another, tell me what
your secret to success was in winning the three three
in a row? What would you attribute your What were
the best coaching lessons you had?

Speaker 9 (44:17):
Oh? God, and you know what, you got to be fortunate, Like, yeah,
as much as we have won, there were some close
moments through all this where it could have easily went
the other way. Like, you know, you can very easily
be on the other side of this. So I think
to win anything, if you've got to have some good fortune.
But something that we bought into with our teams is

(44:37):
like We're just always willing to do the extra work
and go to the extra mod whether it's extra practices,
extra film sessions, to shooting and extra shooting we do
in the mornings before classes like stuff like that. That
has now just become a part of our culture there
and it's just it's just a normal to our to
our players now, whereas at first I'm not sure if
it necessarily was. So just have them buy in. And

(45:00):
now that kids have seen it, they want and they
know that it works, it's a little easier to convince
people to do the extra work. But like I said,
you gotta be fortunate like we've been. There's there's no
denying we've we've been handed some pretty talented players and
it's just been a matter of getting them in the
in the right spots well.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
And humility as a coach also helps, and you certainly
have that. It's it's obvious congratulations. That's an awesome achievement.
And the best thing about an achievement like that is
you'll see these boys in thirty or forty years and
that'll be one of the first things to talk about.
It is so no doubt, best in your life, in
their lives, congratulations, Pat, glad the sisters convinced you to

(45:41):
come on because it was well worth having you. Thank
you very much for sure, Thank you so much. All Right.
That is Pat Slaney, the head coach of the three
time for a Gonzaga Vikings basketball team. And that's how
we will end our show today. Thank you for listening,
Thank you to Claude. That back to more tomorrow with
more of the Tempower Show.