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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Here's Tim.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hi, everybody, good to be with you. It is, of course, Thursday,
October sixteenth, the busy, busy day, two days after the
election and after the change, and we're starting to hear
different people offer congratulations to the premiere and position themselves
for matters that are important. All very normal. Got to
say one thing that I find fascinating and I think
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many will view positively, regardless of how you view the
political world. The Prime Minister out talking about criminal justice reform,
bail reform. You heard Linda talk about that in the news. Certainly,
as we saw in our most recent election in our province,
lots of concern about safety and criminal criminal activity and
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the ability to spawn to that promises by the incoming
premiere for new police officers. Both our NC and our
CMP love to hear the provincial reaction and I'm sure
we'll get it the next twenty four hours to what
the Prime Minister has just announced that there will be
reverse onus bail provisions, so it will no longer be
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up to the Crown to prove why someone should be
should not be released on bail. It will be up
to the accused to prove why they should be released
by the court. So we're going to talk about that
over the course of the next couple of weeks, not
today because it just got announced, but certainly want to
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get some reaction to all of that. We are also
on this show today going to dive into the issue
of immigration. At about halfway market this program, we're going
to have on Hawes from the Globe and Mail, and
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that's a story we are looking at on our website.
You will know that Memorial University announced to decrease in
enrollment this year. Our question of the Day today looks
at whether or not people are concerned about the impacts
of a drop of enrollment at Memorial University. So far,
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the nose lead the s is by sixty six percent
to thirty four but this is a big issue. The
Atlantic Universities Group, the Association of Atlantic Universities, released to
study and a lot of it is covered in today's
Globe and Mail, but effectively it said this that international
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student enrollment is down sharply at universities in Canada this year,
as the federal government's cap on the number of study
permits it will process takes a toll on the sector.
International is down by nearly twenty eight percent at universities
in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland, according
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to a preliminary survey done by the Association of Atlantic Universities.
The AAU as they are called, says it's the federal
policy has badly eroded universities and their ability to fund programs.
They are calling for changes. Federal government is saying, well,
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it's a provincial and territorial responsibility, so it's up to
the provinces to deal with all of this. All of that,
of course, is part of the ongoing battle around who
should fund what. But the reality is, I think that
we need to have a serious conversation about this. Immigration
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has become really an emotional issue. Yet we had a
pro that was many programs that were too big. Maybe
we took too many people in. But it challenges us
as a society. It challenges us as a province with
one university and operating entity to provide services. If we
don't have more people, it doesn't mean there are less
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services provided to those who aren't immigrating to Canada. There
are other challenges there. Anyway, We're going to talk to
Emily Hall's about the broader immigration numbers, and we'll keep
watching your answers on our question of the day. In
this show, We're also going to talk to somebody who
was giving a lecture this evening on Moses Harvey. Well,
who's he. He's no longer with us. You'll have to
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wait till later to hear about who he is and
why he mattered to Newfoundland and Labrador. We are going
to also talk to the race director for the infamous
Cape to Cabot run, arguably the hardest run in North America.
What makes it so tough? We'll talk about that. We
are going to talk to doctor Tom Cooper, also from
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Oriol University, about now the Prime minister and the approach
to Canada's taking towards negotiations with the US, and is
the auto sector in as much jeopardy as people like
our Atlanta Paine and others argue it is because we're
now seeing major international auto entities pull some production out
of Canada. All that coming up, but there's a lot
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of us that are waiting till tonight to see to
see the Toronto Blue Jays can tie their series against
the Seattle Mariners. And I had to get my buddy
Brian Madour on because I know he's going to be
watching all Brian, last night, I wonder if you were
failing the same thing that first inning when Bieber is pitching,
he's not on his game. Your man there, who cracked
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a home run the night in Game two, does it
again for Seattle? They're up to nothing. To use a
good expression from home, I thought the arse was out
of her, but no, Blue Jays scored thirteen runs and
came back. But how are you feeling the first inning
of that game last night?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
We're absolutely correct.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I mean, you can't make any mistake with Rodriguez is
going to kill you. But when he mowed down the
side in that second inning, Bieber did that kind of
set the stage for that game and put it to
the point where the Jay said, Okay, this guy is
on his game, so if we can get our bats
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on the game, then we can kind of pull this
one out. And that's exactly what happened. But I think
that second inning pitching by Bieber was key, and his
slider came around. I don't know if they touched a
single slider. I don't think they connected with even one
of his dozen sliders. I don't believe they did through
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the sixth inning.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So he was on his game.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
He was on his game, and he rolled right through
to the sixth inning. And as we know, the Blue
Jays relievers have been inconsistent throughout the year, and we're
shaky in the in the first two games Brian Jay's
went to Toronto or went to Seattle. May they swept
the series? How do they build off of this tonight?
Because we have seen them become streaky positive when they
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get a big game like that. We saw it in
the first few games with New York. We saw it
previously when they won that stretch of games to guarantee
the Al East spot. We saw it with Colorado. Can
they get a little winning streak going here to carry
them to the four game wins they need to get
to the World Series.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Well'll put it this way, they had better. There's no
room for era right now. I mean really, tonight, if
Seattle went, it seems like home Field is out of
the equation altogether. So if they lose this one tonight,
obviously they're in.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
A rough spot.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So let's hope the bats don't just go kind of
one and done and that they do come alive. You know,
you've got a guy in the mound because you just
do not know which way that is going to go.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
With Max Scherzer and.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Brian he's almost as old as us, for God's sake.
I mean, here he is, forty one year old Max Scherzer.
He has won a couple of World Series, He's won
the cy Young a couple of times, hasn't pitched since
September twenty fourth. Just for those who aren't super acquainted
with baseball but maybe are catching on to the enthusiasm
the Jays have generated. How tough is it for him
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to come in now having not pitched in three weeks,
almost four and be thrown into this pressure field game.
I mean, there's experience and wisdom and all of that matters,
but he's pitched simulated games. But this is not easy.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
He says, he's ready to go.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
He's guess.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
He had some of those minor ailments the last couple
of weeks and wasn't available for the divisional series against
the Yankees, but he is on the roster for this series.
Pitch tonight. But Tim, he kind of he kind of
puts me to mind of Stuart Skinner, the goaltenders of
the Edmonton Oiters.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You don't know which.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Stuart Skinner you're gonna get the another night against the Rangers,
he stole the show, shut them out three nothing. The
Rangers played well enough to win a game before that,
the Oiler should have won. He wasn't on his game.
They lost. And that's been the Stuart Skinner for a
few years now. You don't know which Stuart Skinner is
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going to show up, So which Max Suser shows up?
And he's got two sides, of which Max Schuzer is
He could pitch five and a half great innings, but
give up that three run homer in the first or
the second and leave with the bases loaded, nobody out
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in the fifth and give up a couple of runs
that way. So you don't know which, or he could
shut them out for six innings. You don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You don't know, and that's why we enjoy watching these
games to find out what happens. How do you think
Bobachett's feeling now, Brian, I mean, this has got to
be killing him. He's a big game player. These are
the biggest games he's ever found his team in. He
can't play if they get to the World Series. We're
still not sure if he's going to get in there.
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What must it be like to be Bobachett at the moment?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I mean you almost have to think that if he
were in the lineup like we'd be, we'd be waltzing
to the World Series, we'd be ahead two to one
or three nothing right now, just based on the season
that he had. Just to mention too, Chris Bassett is available,
by the way, on the money. He had that back
injury and we weren't quite sure which way it was
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going to go. But he is available, whether that's you know,
relief duty or if Scherzer gets in trouble early. So
we do have that outlet. But yeah, Bashett has to
be you know, like your big guns want to be
out there. Sures or wants to be out there tonight,
like it was killing him not to be out there
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against the Yankees. He wants to be out there, and
that's that's what you need. And Bishett wants to be
out there, but just can't do it.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
You and I and a lot of the listeners remember,
you know, ninety one, ninety two, ninety three, but more
particularly ninety two ninety three when they got those the
Jay's got the two World Series, Alomar and Carter and
all the great heroes of the day. They had a
forty year old picture then by the name of Roger Clemens,
who'd won a few games too. It feels a little
bit like that. I mean, we're not there yet, but
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the mood feels the same. It feels different than twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen when they had Bautista and Donaldson. Do you
see some similarities at least in terms of the mood
around the team and the country coming together the way
we did in ninety two ninety three.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Oh absolutely, it's I can't find anybody who's talking about,
you know, the Montreal Canadian for example, off to a
great start, my team autow all your team off to
a terrible shart after that opening.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Day, losing the losing the Buffalo last night in terrible fashion.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
But it's tough to find anybody talking about the hockey season.
And yes, we do go way back in baseball. Medora
was a young lad who was seventeen and grade eleven
in nineteen seventy seven, when you know.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Both parents work.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
So I went home from high school at lunchtime, never
went back because that was the Jays were playing the
Chicago White Sox opening day in that kind of half
snowstorm in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That day the exhibition who home.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Runs by Doug Alton. The expansion cousins that year, of course,
were Seattle Marinder. Seattle had that fabulous season in ninety five,
best record in baseball, king Griffy Junior. They had all
the elements and the Yankees still took them out in
the playoffs. So you know they're hungry too.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, this is going to be historic one way or
the other. So the first time these two nineteen seventy seven, well,
no it's not the first time. Sorry, they played in
fifteen or sixteen. But if Seattle gets through, not that
we want to cheer for that though they have the
only Canadian in this series. They have two in fact,
a guy from Kingston and Josh Naylor. Of course, Brian,
before I let you go, I won't hold you to it.
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But what's your gut telling you about tonight?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Just the way they have played and it's not necessarily
you know, Bobushett or Vladdie or the guys who've been
there for a little while. It seems to be the
clements and the guys you know, bargers coming up just
recently that seemed to have made the difference this year
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over last year. Yes, they were in the system last year,
but they didn't come up. They weren't producing or anything
like that. The team was flat. They were worse the
first kind of thing. But this year they have provided
that little pizaz. You can turn to so many different
players and they really don't care who it is. They're
just having fun to get in there. And that seems
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to be the difference. So I can't see all of
those components falling flat tonight. I can't.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, and it's not the way they've played of course,
most comebacks in Major League Baseball this year. Let's hope
our enthusiasm carries them through. Thanks, my friend, appreciate the time,
enjoy the game tonight.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You are take care of that is our friend. Brian Madore.
Of course, huge sports fan brings us the sports coverage
on VOCM, and I'll be watching that game as long
as I can stay up tonight. All right, when we
come back, we're gonna move to the sport of trade
and dealing with Trump. We've got our friend doctor Tom
Cooper from Memorial University's Business School on right after the
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break here on the Tim Power Show. We talked to
earlier about the Prime Minister's announcement on crime. Well, at
that news conference, he also answered some questions on where
we are with the US in terms of different negotiations
to have tarifilly trade opportunity and the like, and the
Prime Minister said, we're at a very intense phase. That
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was the word he used. He said that certainly he's
looking at something happening on auto, steel and energy, not
in that equation our automobiles, and that's been a big concern.
To help us wade through this and try and understand
as best we can, because none of us really know
what is happening, but we can talk about the approach
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and the challenges maybe auto industry faces. We've got a friend,
doctor Tom Cooper from Memorial University, Tom, of course, professor
of Business Strategy. Tom. This is an ever changing file,
the Prime Minister's engagement with Washington, Canada's engagement with Washing.
It does seem from what the Prime Minister said today
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and what has been offered by others that there is
this sectoral approach that we try and get one off
arrangements with. You know, some of the big areas that
are important to us steal aluminum and energy. I wrongly
said autos, but steal aluminum and energy. But there are
others who are saying Premier EBNBC, well what about forestry?
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Premieerford and Ontario that are saying, what about autos. Your
take on the government's approach and whether it may bear fruit, it's.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Tim is always it's it's a grave of how to
speak about because God knows what we're going to do
next week, right in terms of how Trump approaches it.
And we're lucky that Trump promoted primister carry up to president,
so yeah, he's feeling equal to equal now. So seriously, though,
what Canada is really trying to do, or the government
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is trying to do in this situation is trying to
shield key sectors like autos and manufacturing from US teriffs
while but at the same time it doesn't want to
abandon our principles of open trade that we've had for
the last twenty five years. So what we're seeing from
Ottawa is really a push for sectoral terar relief is
really kind of strategically making sure that we have some
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time stability for those industries which are caught in the
middle of basically what is a political trade war. Reuters
came out last week of just doing some research and
said that US tariffs on Canadian goods now averaged twenty
five percent across key manufacturing sectors. And we always got
to remember that seventy two percent of Canadian exports got
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to the US. So this is really about improving competitiveness.
It's about being pragmatic, it's not about protectionism. But you know,
the auto sector alone is worth eighty four billion in
exports annually, which is crazy, and even a five percent
different tariff differential can cause a production line to go
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south of the border, which we may be talking about
in a sect, but it's really it's a strategy. But
we're trying to give ourselves some breathing space and help
these industries survive.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And overlaid on all of this, of course, is the
politics of it. And you have the Manitoba premier saying
because Canola is being tariffed by the Chinese, a different
government saying all right, Prime Minister, while you're dealing with
the Americans, you got to and the tariff on evs
from China, which the auto industry is against. You have
the BC Premiere focusing on softwood lumber, you have the
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Ontario Premier. And this is where I want to want
to go for now and then we'll get to auto's
Doug Ford said yesterday, Look, if negotiations aren't working, hit back,
and hit back hard, bring in more countervailing tariffs, we
remove them all. Prime Minister City is not going to
do that today. From again a pure strategy perspective, the
politics of it out, what is your thought on bringing
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back countervailing terrorists because it seems to would provide some
emotional relief whether it actually does anything. From a negotiation perspective,
is is something that Mark Kearney doesn't want to do.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
No, And I think you got to take emotion out
of this. And I mean Premier Ford is he's a
great politician and he's a very kind of a man
of the people and the Fords have always been that
from his brother when he was Mayor of Toronto right
down to mister mister Ford now being the Premier. I
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would take the emotion out of it. I don't think
putting countervailing tariffs on the US because they are so
big and they're so important to us as just as
an emotional response is really this strategic tactical move I
would make. I think we got to trust mister Kearney
on this. He's done a lot of negotiation over time.
And yeah, these things take time and they take effort.
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But we haven't been slapped like India. Ads. We haven't been.
We're still doing okay, but we still got to protect
some of our most important industries as a country, including
you know, automobile manufacturing, energy, et cetera. And it's a
it's a tough world, and this is the new world
that we live in. And I think you the more
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emotions you can take out of it and just consider
this a business deal or business transaction, which is what
I think mister Trump sees the whole world as I
think that's the way to approach it.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well, let's get to those autos. I mean, look, we're
a bit removed from this in Newfoundland and the Labrador.
We're focused, rightly so on the duties we're having to
deal with more from China on fish products. But as
you said, eighty billion dollar industry. Lots of Newfoundlanders and
Labradorians over the years have moved to Ontario to become
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part of that industry. Our own land of Paine runs
the largest union uniform. She's extremely worried. Favo Flaviovope, who
represents the autopart manufacturers, extremely worried. They became rightly irritated
yesterday when Stillantis, a major auto manufacturer, announced it was
pulling out a production line of Brampton, or not actually
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putting it in it hadn't started. How concerned should we be?
I mean, guests Lana and Flaviovope have jobs to do,
but are they reflecting a real concern that the auto industry,
despite the auto pack despite the trade deals, is under threat.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
It's an industry that's evolving, and we also have competitiveness.
So what I understood is that the state of Illinois
basically gave half a billion dollars to incentivize the moves.
So that's hard to compete. And what I would suggest
is our money better is better spent in terms of modernizing,
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modernizing our industrial base around the manufacture of automobiles to
focus on EV's batteries, critical minerals, et cetera. I still
think that protects jobs, not both in the short term
but in the long term and making sure that our
work are competitive and they're doing something that's not going
to be replaced by robots in five ten years where
we see the automobi automobile manufacturing going. But at the
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same time, Tim, you're right. It's you know, of course
you're right all the time.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
But oh yeah, never never thank you, never never.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Right, you know, but in the radio host you're always right.
So that eighty billion dollars that's in that sector. But
that's then there's economic multiplier effects that go into small
manufacturers and providers and logistics and diners that service those
workers and stuff like that. And that's why it's so
critical industry. And if you know, obviously we're far removed
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from Oshawa, we're far removed from where a lot of
that manufacturing goes. But I think it's it's once again
making sure that our investments just don't get taken in
the move south of the border, which has happened a
number of times. We want, if we do invest, we
want to invest in industries, in the part of the
industry that's going to be here in fifteen twenty years.
And it's not just making cheap compossies. It's also it's
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making sure that we those evs and the vehicles of
the future are being produced here in Canada.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Indeed, and we don't even have time to get into China.
And whether we should remove our keep removing one hundred
percent of tarists on EV's. It's fascinating what's happening in autos.
Tom as always, thank you, appreciate the time.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Thanks Jim, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Take care by all right, take care that is doctor
Tom Cooper Memorial University Business Strategy is his area and
giving us some insight into the sectoral approach to trade
and the reaction about from the auto industry about being
a band. And I hope you found that interesting. I did,
and it does impact a lot of New Folanders and
Laboratorians who came to Ontario to build cars. All right,
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when we come back, we're going to talk to Emily
Hus from the Goloden Mail about some immigration numbers she's
reporting on. And the divide remains, well, I shouldn't even
say the divide. Canadians still do think we ought to
be more firm with the our immigration policy back with
Emily to talk about that. In a moment on the
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Tim Power Show, I read you the story earlier from
Emily Haw's colleague Joe Friesan about how Atlantic Canada is
seeing a sharp decline in international student enrollment. Yet our
question of the day asks are you concerned about that?
And sixty six percent of the people are saying no,
which maybe is why what Emily Hawes has been reporting
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on a new immigration poll makes some sense. The majority
of Canadians say there's too much immigration to this country. Emily,
great to have you with us. Tell us a little
bit about this poll and what else is interesting in there.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Well, it's lovely to be here, Tim, it's always fun
to join you. Basically, there's this survey that was put
out by the Environics Institute for Survey Research, and they
track they sort of ask broad questions over decades so
that immigration you can see the changing sentiment on immigration
over time. And so this year they found that fifty
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six percent of respondents said they agreed with the statement
overall there's too much immigration in Canada. So that means
it's it's kind of leveling off. So in twenty twenty four,
fifty eight percent of people said they agreed with that sentiment,
whereas in twenty twenty two that was only twenty seven percent.
So there was twenty two percent in your twenty seven
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percent in twenty twenty two. It went up to forty
four percent in twenty twenty three. Twenty twenty four saw
kind of a watermark high of fifty eight percent agreeing,
and then this year it's fifty six percent, So it
looks like it's leveled out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And when you look at this along party lines, there's
an interesting some interesting data points there tell us about that.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Yeah, so on partisan basis, the poll really found that
the conversation is polarizing around political parties. So the conservative
supporters were most likely to agree that there was too
much immigration. It was eighty two percent of conservative supporters
who said that, and that's actually up to points from
last year. Forty percent of liberal supporters say the same,
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which is a drop of five percentage points from last year.
And then there was thirty among NDP supporters who agreed,
thirty percent among ANYP supporters who agreed, which is a
drop of six percentage points. Fifty seven percent of the
block to Block Quebec law supporters said that there was
too much immigration, but notably the amount that strongly agreed
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with that sentiment actually went down.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
So yeah, then the Block number isn't surprising either for people. Well,
obviously we're talking to Newfoundland of Labrador audience, and hello
if you are listening from Quebec. But for a very
long time those Quebec numbers, particularly support for the Block,
and the Block has been very much like the Conservatives
in terms of managing immigration. It's not surprising. I also,
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I guess I'm not surprised that when respondents were asked
why they thought there was too much immigration, what did
they cite?
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Yeah, they actually cited that the government system. So there
was a number of reasons, but the main ones for
that the government is poorly managing the system, that it's
bad for the economy, or like economic concerns, that it
places too much pressure on housing prices or supply. And
actually a couple of the experts I spoke to were
somewhat comforted by that. They said, like, you know, some
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of the aspects of the poll were more concerning, but
on this end, it seems like it's more about the
system as opposed to sort of the values of being
anti immigrant, If that makes sense, it's more of the
system in the capacity.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, and look, I think there certainly if you're an
immigration advocate and you are concerned about what you're hearing
from the Canadian public. There was one really positive number
that jumped out for me. Eighty one percent of Canadians
think an immigrant can make just as good as citizen
as so one born here. Seventy percent also think the
economic impact of immigration is positive. Any sense from environics
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that even though we have those numbers which are positive,
why there is you know, still such high numbers opposed
to immigration in Canada in the manner in which it existed.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
Yeah, there's I mean, there was a lot of details
in the report, but I think that was one of
the most interesting parts for me was that, you know,
despite people saying that they felt there was too much
immigration to Canada, they really still value sort of multiculturalism
or identity. They say that, you know what, that's what
makes Canada unique. They said, you know, immigrants can make
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just as good of citizens. I was eighty one percent,
like you said, or that the economic impact of immigration
is positive. Seventy percent of people said that, So I
think it's a The poll to me, really painted this
complicated picture of like, you know, we talk about immigration,
and we speak about, you know, what does it mean
to Canada? And I think it also shows that people
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are feeling like it's driven by economic concerns, and that
was what the experts also kind of pointed to.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, and we're seeing the economic concerns about not enough immigration,
as I said in the introduction, from universities, particularly in
Atlantic Canada, who are feeling they hit on the caps
that have now been put in for foreign students Emily,
before I let you go, Pierre Polyev has been making
some news recently, again in a tangentially aligned space, and
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he has been critical of DEI programs. DEI diversity, equality
and inclusion programs that are very familiar to all of us.
I think because in all of the different places and
spaces we find ourselves, rightly, organizations have tried to make
them more diverse. Are making the argument that Polyev is
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now following a Trump like path because Trump has waged
war on DEI. Your take on Polyev's current strategy as
it relates to some of what he said around d
He's talked about hiring based on merit doing away with
more of these policies. Is this also aligned to the
broader public sentiment about people about immigration and other aligned factors.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
I don't know. I think parts of it are. It
might be like Canada shares a lot of its news
with the United States, and it's normal that things kind
of culturally come up in book countries. In terms of
the conversations that we're having, I think though peer Polyev
has a notable talent for finding and talking about the
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things that people are talking about, and I think people
are having a conversation about whether or not like the
programs are doing what they're intended to do, and so
I suspect my take is that he's picking up on
that as opposed to it being solely a thing from
the United States and kind of reflecting that aspect.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, somebody asked me about that and I shared a
similar view. I think we're all having conversations and I
support diversity, inclusion and equality, and I think most people do.
But there is a general conversation that is happening about
is it working to the degree it should has it
gone too far? And none of that is based on
a racial premise or anything to that effect and probably
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I maybe tapping into that as our others because as
we know Emily, Prime Minister Kearney when he was sworn in,
got rid of the ministerial position that was focused on
this issue. Anyway, we'll leave it there, Appreciate the time,
good story, Emily, Thank you for joining.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
All right, that's our friend, Emily Hawes from the Globe
and Mail. More than half of Canadians think there's too
much immigration, and you're freedom way in. And of course
we have a poll a question of the day on
our site which you can talk to and answer on this.
But now for something completely different, let me just read
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you a little bit of this. The period from eighteen
seventy four to nineteen oh one was a time of
significant transition in the economy and political life of Newfoundland.
Twenty years into responsible government, and with confederation on the
back burner, the colonies, politicians turned their attention to economic diversification,
land word development, and carving out the island's place in
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the British Empire. A major player in both the public
and private debate surrounding all of these subjects was the
Reverend Moses Harvey, and we have a Moses Harvey expert
with us, and he's going to be giving a lecture
tonight in Saint John's or a talk about Moses Harvey.
He has the misfortune of being in business with me
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and being a longtime friend, but he has so many
more other positive attributes. Let me bring on Jim Armor. Jim,
how are you.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
I'm very well. Thank you, Tim, longtime listener, first time calling.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Well. Your name will at be familiar to many in
the audience because of course your dad was a minister
at St. Davidson. We'll talk about your dad in a
little bit. But you're delivering the Moses Harvey lecture tonight
at Saint Andrew's Church, the Kirk as it's known, at
seven pm tonight. You wrote a thesis, took a little
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bit of time to get done, but it was your
master's thesis on Moses Harvey. Who is who was Moses
Harvey and why should Newfoundlanders and Laboradorians take an interest
in his history?
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yeah? Well, I mean if people remember Moses Harvey at
Tall today, it's probably for two things. The story of
the Giants Squid, the discovery of the giants quid off
off the shores, of Newfoundland and his personal account of
the Great Fire of eighteen ninety two. But you know,
there was a lot more to the guy than just
those two stories. And as you mentioned, he was a clergyman.
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He was here in Saint John's in the late nineteenth century.
But the most interesting thing is when he retired from
the pulpit around eighteen seventy eight, his full time job
was was promoting Newfoundland and Labrador. So he was almost
like the public relations agent for the entire country at
that time. And you know, no matter where you were
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in the world, if you read something at that time
about Newfoundland, it likely came from the pen of Moses Harvey.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
And how did he end up in that role and
how successful was he?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yeah, well, you know, he sort of fell into it.
He was doing a series, doing a lot of public lectures,
and he had a fairly engaging style. He would sort
of combine fact with you know public or you know,
cultural references, modern references, and so that was a little
bit different than all the other lecturers in town. So
you know, people found that entertainment engaging, and that caught
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the eye of publishers and they soon asked him to
be writing columns on Newfoundland all over the place, you know, Boston, London,
you know, Halifax, Toronto, you name it. He was writing
all over the place, and then that in turn caught
the attention of politicians. So Prime Minister William Whitewell Ambroche
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might be names that people remember from their history lessons,
and he started to be the main media mouthpiece for them,
and was actually editor in chief of the Evening Mercury,
which was the counterpart to the Evening Telegram, So he
was a big promoter of politics. Bi sorted almost like
a press secretary for a couple of prime ministers at
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the time too.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
So how did Moses Harvey get on your radar? Was
it your upbringing with your dad himself a minister? How
did you pick this subject?
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Yeah, you know it was a little bit about that
and maybe the you know, the folks that were around
our dining room table, but you know it was really
about It was really a bit of desperation, you know,
flailing around for a subject to write a thesis about,
and you know, not finding the fishing admiral all that
attractive because you and I remember from our courses with
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Shannon Ryan. But you know, everywhere I turned, and everything
I read about Newfoundland eventually there'd be a reference to
Moses Harvey. And it was just like, you know, who
is this guy and and why is he interested in
things like the fisheries or the railroad or potential copper
mines on the west coast. And so it was mainly
because he was just an interesting character and I just
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wanted to learn more about him and tell a bit
of a tale.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Well, and I need to tell one quickly now. So
Jim's reference to the Fishing Admiral. Most listeners will know
the late great Shannon Ryan, wonderful Newfoundland and Labrador historian,
did so much to promote our history. Jim was Shannon's
teaching assistant. I was his student, one of his students,
and I think what eighty of us wrote a paper
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on the Fishing Admiral. Mine was late coming in because
I had a rugby injury. Jim claims that it was
a fictitious injury. I claim that it was real. Nonetheless,
Jim and Shannon let me get an a. So I
appreciate that. Thank you for that, my friend.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
You know, that was the biggest shock of all, Tim,
was the fact that you got an.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
A well, and my mother probably still agrees with you. Now,
tell us about how this lecture came about tonight, it's
at the Kirk at seven pm. How did this all
come to pass?
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Yeah, well, so, you know, the folks at St. Andrews
sort of were going through their own history and realized
that they had some really interesting folks that were part
of the part of the congregation. You know, people like
former Prime Minister Robert Thorburn. You've got the Reed family,
Walter Greeve, You've got a whole bunch of folks that
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were involved. And they thought, you know, these are stories
that are worth celebrating, and so they've started to slowly
create little exhibits throughout the church honoring various people. And
they decided that Moses Harvey was worthy of honoring. And
they figured since the only person that knew anything really
about Moses Harvey in the world was me, so they
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asked me to come down and I was happy to
do that.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, default often is a good thing. And I see
Jona Ritzy's going to be there tonight. Fun fact, I
don't know if you know this, her mom and dad
were my babysitters. So give her a hug for all
the emotional support they needed dealing with us. Now I
need to give a moment to this. Your dad, wonderful man,
passed away ninety three. Was he ninety four? I can't remember.
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Ninety four passed away this summer. Well loved head of
Saint David's for years and years. Of course, your mom
physiotherapist in the city, armors a long history. When you
bear your dad in Montreal, you had three hundred people there.
Just talk about your dad a little bit in what
Newfoundland and a Labrador meant to him, because that love
still carries forward with you and your family.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean, you know Newfoundland where
meant meant everything to him. It was you know, it
was he had a couple of small, smaller congregations before,
but really it was his first congregation here when he came,
you know, met my mother here, got married, had a family,
but you know, really spent sort of twenty five years
of a minister and involved in all aspects of the city,
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and you know, so really it meant everything. He took
a great interest in the history of Saint David's congregation
as well. And there's a link there that goes back
to the old Congregationalist Church and they're actually celebrating their
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary as a congregation, going back
to seventeen seventy five, and they're doing that next week.
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So you know, love of history, love of the place.
And if you ever asked him you know where home was,
he would definitely say Saint John's and Newfoundland.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
And his sons, three sons and daughter aren't bad either,
And proud of you. A last one for you, Jim,
tell the audience how long it took to complete the leases.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Well, it took a long time. So you know, I
am a poster child for procrastination because I joined the
program in nineteen eighty nine, was supposed to be submitted
in nineteen ninety one. Then I went to the Mainland
and things got in the way, get married, to get
jobs and everything else, and so I kept putting it off,
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putting it off, until finally twenty five years later, at
twenty sixteen, I submitted the thing and walked across the
stage with the people who could be my children. So
there you go. So my advice to everybody is don't
give up, keep at it, stick to it, and eventually
you'll finish it.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Well and anybody who's got time to go listen to Jim.
It will be an awesome lecture. Come back soon, buddy.
We miss you, Thank you, good luck tonight.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Thank you to him.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Thanks take care. That is jar murmur He'll be speaking
at Saint Andrews tonight at seven o'clock on Moses Harvey.
When we come back, we're going to talk to the
race coordinator for the Cape to Cabot Run. Stay tuned
for that the Tim Power Show. Join the Conversation weekday
afternoons at four pm on your VOCM. The three big
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races in North America that hardcore runners want to do
are the Telly ten Hamilton's thirty k race and the
Boston Marathon. But I think there's a fourth that now
should be in that list because it's got a tremendous reputation.
That is the Cape to Cabot Run. It is tough,
I am told, haven't done it yet, hoping to do
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it one day, and we are lucky right now to
have the race director, Daniel Conway on the line with us. Dan.
I live at the foot of Signal Hill and the
thought of running nineteen k then running up that frigging
hill is not for the faint of heart. This race
has a tremendous reputation for those who like a challenge.
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Is it deserved?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, for sure, Tim, It's you know, one of the
most crueling races, I would say, and probably Eastern North
America in terms of road races. Go and yeah, like
you said that, that final climb from the bottom of
Temperance sure, right to the top of Signal Hill at
the final mile of the race, and it's challenging.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah, and your legs are jelly often then by the
time you got to do that because you've been up
and down. You've been up and down this race. Is
this Sunday? How many years now, Dan, has the race
been going on?
Speaker 2 (42:49):
This will be your nineteenth running out of the race
with the first one two thousand and seven was the
first official running.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
And in terms of the runners that that take it
in because it's a different type of training, it's not
that Look, the Telly ten is not an easy race,
but there's one really significant hill and it's just a hill,
and that's around Cornwall Avenue. This is a tough race
for the runners that do this. How much work do
they have to put in so it's not an entirely
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awful experience.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
You know, I definitely recommend doing some running before taking
on the challenge like this. Like you said, the training
you do for this is probably a little different than
for other road races, but you know, making sure you're
doing some consistent running and incorporating hills up and down
into your training because the downhill is going challenging as well.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've done ma petite trend of noord
here up in Ontario that's all downhill, and people think
that's easy, but after a while, your hips, your hips
take the toll of all of that. So Dan, this weekend,
how many runners, how many runners from away? What's it
all looking like.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, we kept the race at five hundred and we
are sold out, so we'll see how many start the race.
Sometimes it could be a fewer race morning, but yeah,
we have thirty five fish runners from other provinces. We've
gotten nine from outside of Canada. Some includes Switzerland, Denmark
and Norway, so we do have some people from all over. Yeah,
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which is you know, always good to see.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Last year, Mark Green one hour and seventeen minutes and
two seconds, Alison Stucklass one hour thirty two thirty six.
Those sort of the general average times for winning, and
they're fast, particularly going up and down those hills.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, they're and you know, based on the caliber runners
that we have this year, I think we'll likely see
you know, potentially some some similar winning times again this year.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
So for anybody who wants to watch, where are the
best vantage points to check it out?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
You know, the road along like Blackhead Road, I guess
it is hard to kind of access just because it
is kind of reduced to traffic. So when runners are
coming down out of Shay Heights, that's kind of a
nice place to see them. They have to do an
out and back on south Side Road and then they
hit their downtown and of course, you know the final
most challenging piece running up Temperance in Signal Hill. We
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tend to get a lot of spectators there and we
do have some cheer volunteers there as well, a kind
of like the two year zone, So there is already
going to be a lot of people there, But downtown
can be quite lonely because you don't get a lot
of spectators on there.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, you're coming out and you know what's coming and
you're almost done, and yeah, I hear you listen. It's
such an awesome race. It's known in so many different communities.
It's and I'm glad you're putting it off for yet
another year. Thank you for joining us. Good luck to
you in making sure the race goes off, and all
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the runners appreciate the time today Dan.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, thanks Tim. I just want to give a shout
out to all the volunteers and thank you everyone.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, these things don't happen without volunteers. All right. There
you have at the Cape to Cabin happening on Sunday.
Check it out if you can. Great race. Thank you
for listening to us today. You got a whole cross
section of things. I hope you liked it. Thank you
to Kladak. Back tomorrow with more of the Timpower Show.
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of this station.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Here's Tim.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hi, everybody, good to be with you. It is, of course, Thursday,
October sixteenth, the busy, busy day, two days after the
election and after the change, and we're starting to hear
different people offer congratulations to the premiere and position themselves
for matters that are important. All very normal. Got to
say one thing that I find fascinating and I think
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many will view positively, regardless of how you view the
political world. The Prime Minister out talking about criminal justice reform,
bail reform. You heard Linda talk about that in the news. Certainly,
as we saw in our most recent election in our province,
lots of concern about safety and criminal criminal activity and
(00:59):
the ability to spawn to that promises by the incoming
premiere for new police officers. Both our NC and our
CMP love to hear the provincial reaction and I'm sure
we'll get it the next twenty four hours to what
the Prime Minister has just announced that there will be
reverse onus bail provisions, so it will no longer be
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up to the Crown to prove why someone should be
should not be released on bail. It will be up
to the accused to prove why they should be released
by the court. So we're going to talk about that
over the course of the next couple of weeks, not
today because it just got announced, but certainly want to
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get some reaction to all of that. We are also
on this show today going to dive into the issue
of immigration. At about halfway market this program, we're going
to have on Hawes from the Globe and Mail, and
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that's a story we are looking at on our website.
You will know that Memorial University announced to decrease in
enrollment this year. Our question of the Day today looks
at whether or not people are concerned about the impacts
of a drop of enrollment at Memorial University. So far,
(02:26):
the nose lead the s is by sixty six percent
to thirty four but this is a big issue. The
Atlantic Universities Group, the Association of Atlantic Universities, released to
study and a lot of it is covered in today's
Globe and Mail, but effectively it said this that international
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student enrollment is down sharply at universities in Canada this year,
as the federal government's cap on the number of study
permits it will process takes a toll on the sector.
International is down by nearly twenty eight percent at universities
in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland, according
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to a preliminary survey done by the Association of Atlantic Universities.
The AAU as they are called, says it's the federal
policy has badly eroded universities and their ability to fund programs.
They are calling for changes. Federal government is saying, well,
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it's a provincial and territorial responsibility, so it's up to
the provinces to deal with all of this. All of that,
of course, is part of the ongoing battle around who
should fund what. But the reality is, I think that
we need to have a serious conversation about this. Immigration
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has become really an emotional issue. Yet we had a
pro that was many programs that were too big. Maybe
we took too many people in. But it challenges us
as a society. It challenges us as a province with
one university and operating entity to provide services. If we
don't have more people, it doesn't mean there are less
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services provided to those who aren't immigrating to Canada. There
are other challenges there. Anyway, We're going to talk to
Emily Hall's about the broader immigration numbers, and we'll keep
watching your answers on our question of the day. In
this show, We're also going to talk to somebody who
was giving a lecture this evening on Moses Harvey. Well,
who's he. He's no longer with us. You'll have to
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wait till later to hear about who he is and
why he mattered to Newfoundland and Labrador. We are going
to also talk to the race director for the infamous
Cape to Cabot run, arguably the hardest run in North America.
What makes it so tough? We'll talk about that. We
are going to talk to doctor Tom Cooper, also from
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Oriol University, about now the Prime minister and the approach
to Canada's taking towards negotiations with the US, and is
the auto sector in as much jeopardy as people like
our Atlanta Paine and others argue it is because we're
now seeing major international auto entities pull some production out
of Canada. All that coming up, but there's a lot
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of us that are waiting till tonight to see to
see the Toronto Blue Jays can tie their series against
the Seattle Mariners. And I had to get my buddy
Brian Madour on because I know he's going to be
watching all Brian, last night, I wonder if you were
failing the same thing that first inning when Bieber is pitching,
he's not on his game. Your man there, who cracked
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a home run the night in Game two, does it
again for Seattle? They're up to nothing. To use a
good expression from home, I thought the arse was out
of her, but no, Blue Jays scored thirteen runs and
came back. But how are you feeling the first inning
of that game last night?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
We're absolutely correct.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I mean, you can't make any mistake with Rodriguez is
going to kill you. But when he mowed down the
side in that second inning, Bieber did that kind of
set the stage for that game and put it to
the point where the Jay said, Okay, this guy is
on his game, so if we can get our bats
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on the game, then we can kind of pull this
one out. And that's exactly what happened. But I think
that second inning pitching by Bieber was key, and his
slider came around. I don't know if they touched a
single slider. I don't think they connected with even one
of his dozen sliders. I don't believe they did through
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the sixth inning.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So he was on his game.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
He was on his game, and he rolled right through
to the sixth inning. And as we know, the Blue
Jays relievers have been inconsistent throughout the year, and we're
shaky in the in the first two games Brian Jay's
went to Toronto or went to Seattle. May they swept
the series? How do they build off of this tonight?
Because we have seen them become streaky positive when they
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get a big game like that. We saw it in
the first few games with New York. We saw it
previously when they won that stretch of games to guarantee
the Al East spot. We saw it with Colorado. Can
they get a little winning streak going here to carry
them to the four game wins they need to get
to the World Series.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Well'll put it this way, they had better. There's no
room for era right now. I mean really, tonight, if
Seattle went, it seems like home Field is out of
the equation altogether. So if they lose this one tonight,
obviously they're in.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
A rough spot.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So let's hope the bats don't just go kind of
one and done and that they do come alive. You know,
you've got a guy in the mound because you just
do not know which way that is going to go.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
With Max Scherzer and.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Brian he's almost as old as us, for God's sake.
I mean, here he is, forty one year old Max Scherzer.
He has won a couple of World Series, He's won
the cy Young a couple of times, hasn't pitched since
September twenty fourth. Just for those who aren't super acquainted
with baseball but maybe are catching on to the enthusiasm
the Jays have generated. How tough is it for him
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to come in now having not pitched in three weeks,
almost four and be thrown into this pressure field game.
I mean, there's experience and wisdom and all of that matters,
but he's pitched simulated games. But this is not easy.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
He says, he's ready to go.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
He's guess.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
He had some of those minor ailments the last couple
of weeks and wasn't available for the divisional series against
the Yankees, but he is on the roster for this series.
Pitch tonight. But Tim, he kind of he kind of
puts me to mind of Stuart Skinner, the goaltenders of
the Edmonton Oiters.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You don't know which.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Stuart Skinner you're gonna get the another night against the Rangers,
he stole the show, shut them out three nothing. The
Rangers played well enough to win a game before that,
the Oiler should have won. He wasn't on his game.
They lost. And that's been the Stuart Skinner for a
few years now. You don't know which Stuart Skinner is
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going to show up, So which Max Suser shows up?
And he's got two sides, of which Max Schuzer is
He could pitch five and a half great innings, but
give up that three run homer in the first or
the second and leave with the bases loaded, nobody out
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in the fifth and give up a couple of runs
that way. So you don't know which, or he could
shut them out for six innings. You don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
You don't know, and that's why we enjoy watching these
games to find out what happens. How do you think
Bobachett's feeling now, Brian, I mean, this has got to
be killing him. He's a big game player. These are
the biggest games he's ever found his team in. He
can't play if they get to the World Series. We're
still not sure if he's going to get in there.
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What must it be like to be Bobachett at the moment?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I mean you almost have to think that if he
were in the lineup like we'd be, we'd be waltzing
to the World Series, we'd be ahead two to one
or three nothing right now, just based on the season
that he had. Just to mention too, Chris Bassett is available,
by the way, on the money. He had that back
injury and we weren't quite sure which way it was
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going to go. But he is available, whether that's you know,
relief duty or if Scherzer gets in trouble early. So
we do have that outlet. But yeah, Bashett has to
be you know, like your big guns want to be
out there. Sures or wants to be out there tonight,
like it was killing him not to be out there
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against the Yankees. He wants to be out there, and
that's that's what you need. And Bishett wants to be
out there, but just can't do it.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
You and I and a lot of the listeners remember,
you know, ninety one, ninety two, ninety three, but more
particularly ninety two ninety three when they got those the
Jay's got the two World Series, Alomar and Carter and
all the great heroes of the day. They had a
forty year old picture then by the name of Roger Clemens,
who'd won a few games too. It feels a little
bit like that. I mean, we're not there yet, but
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the mood feels the same. It feels different than twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen when they had Bautista and Donaldson. Do you
see some similarities at least in terms of the mood
around the team and the country coming together the way
we did in ninety two ninety three.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Oh absolutely, it's I can't find anybody who's talking about,
you know, the Montreal Canadian for example, off to a
great start, my team autow all your team off to
a terrible shart after that opening.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Day, losing the losing the Buffalo last night in terrible fashion.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
But it's tough to find anybody talking about the hockey season.
And yes, we do go way back in baseball. Medora
was a young lad who was seventeen and grade eleven
in nineteen seventy seven, when you know.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Both parents work.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
So I went home from high school at lunchtime, never
went back because that was the Jays were playing the
Chicago White Sox opening day in that kind of half
snowstorm in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That day the exhibition who home.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Runs by Doug Alton. The expansion cousins that year, of course,
were Seattle Marinder. Seattle had that fabulous season in ninety five,
best record in baseball, king Griffy Junior. They had all
the elements and the Yankees still took them out in
the playoffs. So you know they're hungry too.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, this is going to be historic one way or
the other. So the first time these two nineteen seventy seven, well,
no it's not the first time. Sorry, they played in
fifteen or sixteen. But if Seattle gets through, not that
we want to cheer for that though they have the
only Canadian in this series. They have two in fact,
a guy from Kingston and Josh Naylor. Of course, Brian,
before I let you go, I won't hold you to it.
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But what's your gut telling you about tonight?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Just the way they have played and it's not necessarily
you know, Bobushett or Vladdie or the guys who've been
there for a little while. It seems to be the
clements and the guys you know, bargers coming up just
recently that seemed to have made the difference this year
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over last year. Yes, they were in the system last year,
but they didn't come up. They weren't producing or anything
like that. The team was flat. They were worse the
first kind of thing. But this year they have provided
that little pizaz. You can turn to so many different
players and they really don't care who it is. They're
just having fun to get in there. And that seems
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to be the difference. So I can't see all of
those components falling flat tonight. I can't.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, and it's not the way they've played of course,
most comebacks in Major League Baseball this year. Let's hope
our enthusiasm carries them through. Thanks, my friend, appreciate the time,
enjoy the game tonight.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You are take care of that is our friend. Brian Madore.
Of course, huge sports fan brings us the sports coverage
on VOCM, and I'll be watching that game as long
as I can stay up tonight. All right, when we
come back, we're gonna move to the sport of trade
and dealing with Trump. We've got our friend doctor Tom
Cooper from Memorial University's Business School on right after the
(14:55):
break here on the Tim Power Show. We talked to
earlier about the Prime Minister's announcement on crime. Well, at
that news conference, he also answered some questions on where
we are with the US in terms of different negotiations
to have tarifilly trade opportunity and the like, and the
Prime Minister said, we're at a very intense phase. That
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was the word he used. He said that certainly he's
looking at something happening on auto, steel and energy, not
in that equation our automobiles, and that's been a big concern.
To help us wade through this and try and understand
as best we can, because none of us really know
what is happening, but we can talk about the approach
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and the challenges maybe auto industry faces. We've got a friend,
doctor Tom Cooper from Memorial University, Tom, of course, professor
of Business Strategy. Tom. This is an ever changing file,
the Prime Minister's engagement with Washington, Canada's engagement with Washing.
It does seem from what the Prime Minister said today
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and what has been offered by others that there is
this sectoral approach that we try and get one off
arrangements with. You know, some of the big areas that
are important to us steal aluminum and energy. I wrongly
said autos, but steal aluminum and energy. But there are
others who are saying Premier EBNBC, well what about forestry?
(16:25):
Premieerford and Ontario that are saying, what about autos. Your
take on the government's approach and whether it may bear fruit, it's.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Tim is always it's it's a grave of how to
speak about because God knows what we're going to do
next week, right in terms of how Trump approaches it.
And we're lucky that Trump promoted primister carry up to president,
so yeah, he's feeling equal to equal now. So seriously, though,
what Canada is really trying to do, or the government
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is trying to do in this situation is trying to
shield key sectors like autos and manufacturing from US teriffs
while but at the same time it doesn't want to
abandon our principles of open trade that we've had for
the last twenty five years. So what we're seeing from
Ottawa is really a push for sectoral terar relief is
really kind of strategically making sure that we have some
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time stability for those industries which are caught in the
middle of basically what is a political trade war. Reuters
came out last week of just doing some research and
said that US tariffs on Canadian goods now averaged twenty
five percent across key manufacturing sectors. And we always got
to remember that seventy two percent of Canadian exports got
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to the US. So this is really about improving competitiveness.
It's about being pragmatic, it's not about protectionism. But you know,
the auto sector alone is worth eighty four billion in
exports annually, which is crazy, and even a five percent
different tariff differential can cause a production line to go
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south of the border, which we may be talking about
in a sect, but it's really it's a strategy. But
we're trying to give ourselves some breathing space and help
these industries survive.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And overlaid on all of this, of course, is the
politics of it. And you have the Manitoba premier saying
because Canola is being tariffed by the Chinese, a different
government saying all right, Prime Minister, while you're dealing with
the Americans, you got to and the tariff on evs
from China, which the auto industry is against. You have
the BC Premiere focusing on softwood lumber, you have the
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Ontario Premier. And this is where I want to want
to go for now and then we'll get to auto's
Doug Ford said yesterday, Look, if negotiations aren't working, hit back,
and hit back hard, bring in more countervailing tariffs, we
remove them all. Prime Minister City is not going to
do that today. From again a pure strategy perspective, the
politics of it out, what is your thought on bringing
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back countervailing terrorists because it seems to would provide some
emotional relief whether it actually does anything. From a negotiation perspective,
is is something that Mark Kearney doesn't want to do.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
No, And I think you got to take emotion out
of this. And I mean Premier Ford is he's a
great politician and he's a very kind of a man
of the people and the Fords have always been that
from his brother when he was Mayor of Toronto right
down to mister mister Ford now being the Premier. I
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would take the emotion out of it. I don't think
putting countervailing tariffs on the US because they are so
big and they're so important to us as just as
an emotional response is really this strategic tactical move I
would make. I think we got to trust mister Kearney
on this. He's done a lot of negotiation over time.
And yeah, these things take time and they take effort.
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But we haven't been slapped like India. Ads. We haven't been.
We're still doing okay, but we still got to protect
some of our most important industries as a country, including
you know, automobile manufacturing, energy, et cetera. And it's a
it's a tough world, and this is the new world
that we live in. And I think you the more
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emotions you can take out of it and just consider
this a business deal or business transaction, which is what
I think mister Trump sees the whole world as I
think that's the way to approach it.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well, let's get to those autos. I mean, look, we're
a bit removed from this in Newfoundland and the Labrador.
We're focused, rightly so on the duties we're having to
deal with more from China on fish products. But as
you said, eighty billion dollar industry. Lots of Newfoundlanders and
Labradorians over the years have moved to Ontario to become
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part of that industry. Our own land of Paine runs
the largest union uniform. She's extremely worried. Favo Flaviovope, who
represents the autopart manufacturers, extremely worried. They became rightly irritated
yesterday when Stillantis, a major auto manufacturer, announced it was
pulling out a production line of Brampton, or not actually
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putting it in it hadn't started. How concerned should we be?
I mean, guests Lana and Flaviovope have jobs to do,
but are they reflecting a real concern that the auto industry,
despite the auto pack despite the trade deals, is under threat.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
It's an industry that's evolving, and we also have competitiveness.
So what I understood is that the state of Illinois
basically gave half a billion dollars to incentivize the moves.
So that's hard to compete. And what I would suggest
is our money better is better spent in terms of modernizing,
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modernizing our industrial base around the manufacture of automobiles to
focus on EV's batteries, critical minerals, et cetera. I still
think that protects jobs, not both in the short term
but in the long term and making sure that our
work are competitive and they're doing something that's not going
to be replaced by robots in five ten years where
we see the automobi automobile manufacturing going. But at the
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same time, Tim, you're right. It's you know, of course
you're right all the time.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
But oh yeah, never never thank you, never never.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Right, you know, but in the radio host you're always right.
So that eighty billion dollars that's in that sector. But
that's then there's economic multiplier effects that go into small
manufacturers and providers and logistics and diners that service those
workers and stuff like that. And that's why it's so
critical industry. And if you know, obviously we're far removed
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from Oshawa, we're far removed from where a lot of
that manufacturing goes. But I think it's it's once again
making sure that our investments just don't get taken in
the move south of the border, which has happened a
number of times. We want, if we do invest, we
want to invest in industries, in the part of the
industry that's going to be here in fifteen twenty years.
And it's not just making cheap compossies. It's also it's
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making sure that we those evs and the vehicles of
the future are being produced here in Canada.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Indeed, and we don't even have time to get into China.
And whether we should remove our keep removing one hundred
percent of tarists on EV's. It's fascinating what's happening in autos.
Tom as always, thank you, appreciate the time.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Thanks Jim, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Take care by all right, take care that is doctor
Tom Cooper Memorial University Business Strategy is his area and
giving us some insight into the sectoral approach to trade
and the reaction about from the auto industry about being
a band. And I hope you found that interesting. I did,
and it does impact a lot of New Folanders and
Laboratorians who came to Ontario to build cars. All right,
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when we come back, we're going to talk to Emily
Hus from the Goloden Mail about some immigration numbers she's
reporting on. And the divide remains, well, I shouldn't even
say the divide. Canadians still do think we ought to
be more firm with the our immigration policy back with
Emily to talk about that. In a moment on the
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Tim Power Show, I read you the story earlier from
Emily Haw's colleague Joe Friesan about how Atlantic Canada is
seeing a sharp decline in international student enrollment. Yet our
question of the day asks are you concerned about that?
And sixty six percent of the people are saying no,
which maybe is why what Emily Hawes has been reporting
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on a new immigration poll makes some sense. The majority
of Canadians say there's too much immigration to this country. Emily,
great to have you with us. Tell us a little
bit about this poll and what else is interesting in there.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Well, it's lovely to be here, Tim, it's always fun
to join you. Basically, there's this survey that was put
out by the Environics Institute for Survey Research, and they
track they sort of ask broad questions over decades so
that immigration you can see the changing sentiment on immigration
over time. And so this year they found that fifty
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six percent of respondents said they agreed with the statement
overall there's too much immigration in Canada. So that means
it's it's kind of leveling off. So in twenty twenty four,
fifty eight percent of people said they agreed with that sentiment,
whereas in twenty twenty two that was only twenty seven percent.
So there was twenty two percent in your twenty seven
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percent in twenty twenty two. It went up to forty
four percent in twenty twenty three. Twenty twenty four saw
kind of a watermark high of fifty eight percent agreeing,
and then this year it's fifty six percent, So it
looks like it's leveled out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
And when you look at this along party lines, there's
an interesting some interesting data points there tell us about that.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
Yeah, so on partisan basis, the poll really found that
the conversation is polarizing around political parties. So the conservative
supporters were most likely to agree that there was too
much immigration. It was eighty two percent of conservative supporters
who said that, and that's actually up to points from
last year. Forty percent of liberal supporters say the same,
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which is a drop of five percentage points from last year.
And then there was thirty among NDP supporters who agreed,
thirty percent among ANYP supporters who agreed, which is a
drop of six percentage points. Fifty seven percent of the
block to Block Quebec law supporters said that there was
too much immigration, but notably the amount that strongly agreed
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with that sentiment actually went down.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
So yeah, then the Block number isn't surprising either for people. Well,
obviously we're talking to Newfoundland of Labrador audience, and hello
if you are listening from Quebec. But for a very
long time those Quebec numbers, particularly support for the Block,
and the Block has been very much like the Conservatives
in terms of managing immigration. It's not surprising. I also,
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I guess I'm not surprised that when respondents were asked
why they thought there was too much immigration, what did
they cite?
Speaker 6 (27:05):
Yeah, they actually cited that the government system. So there
was a number of reasons, but the main ones for
that the government is poorly managing the system, that it's
bad for the economy, or like economic concerns, that it
places too much pressure on housing prices or supply. And
actually a couple of the experts I spoke to were
somewhat comforted by that. They said, like, you know, some
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of the aspects of the poll were more concerning, but
on this end, it seems like it's more about the
system as opposed to sort of the values of being
anti immigrant, If that makes sense, it's more of the
system in the capacity.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, and look, I think there certainly if you're an
immigration advocate and you are concerned about what you're hearing
from the Canadian public. There was one really positive number
that jumped out for me. Eighty one percent of Canadians
think an immigrant can make just as good as citizen
as so one born here. Seventy percent also think the
economic impact of immigration is positive. Any sense from environics
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that even though we have those numbers which are positive,
why there is you know, still such high numbers opposed
to immigration in Canada in the manner in which it existed.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
Yeah, there's I mean, there was a lot of details
in the report, but I think that was one of
the most interesting parts for me was that, you know,
despite people saying that they felt there was too much
immigration to Canada, they really still value sort of multiculturalism
or identity. They say that, you know what, that's what
makes Canada unique. They said, you know, immigrants can make
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just as good of citizens. I was eighty one percent,
like you said, or that the economic impact of immigration
is positive. Seventy percent of people said that, So I
think it's a The poll to me, really painted this
complicated picture of like, you know, we talk about immigration,
and we speak about, you know, what does it mean
to Canada? And I think it also shows that people
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are feeling like it's driven by economic concerns, and that
was what the experts also kind of pointed to.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, and we're seeing the economic concerns about not enough immigration,
as I said in the introduction, from universities, particularly in
Atlantic Canada, who are feeling they hit on the caps
that have now been put in for foreign students Emily,
before I let you go, Pierre Polyev has been making
some news recently, again in a tangentially aligned space, and
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he has been critical of DEI programs. DEI diversity, equality
and inclusion programs that are very familiar to all of us.
I think because in all of the different places and
spaces we find ourselves, rightly, organizations have tried to make
them more diverse. Are making the argument that Polyev is
(30:02):
now following a Trump like path because Trump has waged
war on DEI. Your take on Polyev's current strategy as
it relates to some of what he said around d
He's talked about hiring based on merit doing away with
more of these policies. Is this also aligned to the
broader public sentiment about people about immigration and other aligned factors.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
I don't know. I think parts of it are. It
might be like Canada shares a lot of its news
with the United States, and it's normal that things kind
of culturally come up in book countries. In terms of
the conversations that we're having, I think though peer Polyev
has a notable talent for finding and talking about the
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things that people are talking about, and I think people
are having a conversation about whether or not like the
programs are doing what they're intended to do, and so
I suspect my take is that he's picking up on
that as opposed to it being solely a thing from
the United States and kind of reflecting that aspect.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, somebody asked me about that and I shared a
similar view. I think we're all having conversations and I
support diversity, inclusion and equality, and I think most people do.
But there is a general conversation that is happening about
is it working to the degree it should has it
gone too far? And none of that is based on
a racial premise or anything to that effect and probably
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I maybe tapping into that as our others because as
we know Emily, Prime Minister Kearney when he was sworn in,
got rid of the ministerial position that was focused on
this issue. Anyway, we'll leave it there, Appreciate the time,
good story, Emily, Thank you for joining.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
All right, that's our friend, Emily Hawes from the Globe
and Mail. More than half of Canadians think there's too
much immigration, and you're freedom way in. And of course
we have a poll a question of the day on
our site which you can talk to and answer on this.
But now for something completely different, let me just read
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you a little bit of this. The period from eighteen
seventy four to nineteen oh one was a time of
significant transition in the economy and political life of Newfoundland.
Twenty years into responsible government, and with confederation on the
back burner, the colonies, politicians turned their attention to economic diversification,
land word development, and carving out the island's place in
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the British Empire. A major player in both the public
and private debate surrounding all of these subjects was the
Reverend Moses Harvey, and we have a Moses Harvey expert
with us, and he's going to be giving a lecture
tonight in Saint John's or a talk about Moses Harvey.
He has the misfortune of being in business with me
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and being a longtime friend, but he has so many
more other positive attributes. Let me bring on Jim Armor. Jim,
how are you.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
I'm very well. Thank you, Tim, longtime listener, first time calling.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Well. Your name will at be familiar to many in
the audience because of course your dad was a minister
at St. Davidson. We'll talk about your dad in a
little bit. But you're delivering the Moses Harvey lecture tonight
at Saint Andrew's Church, the Kirk as it's known, at
seven pm tonight. You wrote a thesis, took a little
(33:29):
bit of time to get done, but it was your
master's thesis on Moses Harvey. Who is who was Moses
Harvey and why should Newfoundlanders and Laboradorians take an interest
in his history?
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yeah? Well, I mean if people remember Moses Harvey at
Tall today, it's probably for two things. The story of
the Giants Squid, the discovery of the giants quid off
off the shores, of Newfoundland and his personal account of
the Great Fire of eighteen ninety two. But you know,
there was a lot more to the guy than just
those two stories. And as you mentioned, he was a clergyman.
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He was here in Saint John's in the late nineteenth century.
But the most interesting thing is when he retired from
the pulpit around eighteen seventy eight, his full time job
was was promoting Newfoundland and Labrador. So he was almost
like the public relations agent for the entire country at
that time. And you know, no matter where you were
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in the world, if you read something at that time
about Newfoundland, it likely came from the pen of Moses Harvey.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
And how did he end up in that role and
how successful was he?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yeah, well, you know, he sort of fell into it.
He was doing a series, doing a lot of public lectures,
and he had a fairly engaging style. He would sort
of combine fact with you know public or you know,
cultural references, modern references, and so that was a little
bit different than all the other lecturers in town. So
you know, people found that entertainment engaging, and that caught
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the eye of publishers and they soon asked him to
be writing columns on Newfoundland all over the place, you know, Boston, London,
you know, Halifax, Toronto, you name it. He was writing
all over the place, and then that in turn caught
the attention of politicians. So Prime Minister William Whitewell Ambroche
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might be names that people remember from their history lessons,
and he started to be the main media mouthpiece for them,
and was actually editor in chief of the Evening Mercury,
which was the counterpart to the Evening Telegram, So he
was a big promoter of politics. Bi sorted almost like
a press secretary for a couple of prime ministers at
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the time too.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
So how did Moses Harvey get on your radar? Was
it your upbringing with your dad himself a minister? How
did you pick this subject?
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Yeah, you know it was a little bit about that
and maybe the you know, the folks that were around
our dining room table, but you know it was really
about It was really a bit of desperation, you know,
flailing around for a subject to write a thesis about,
and you know, not finding the fishing admiral all that
attractive because you and I remember from our courses with
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Shannon Ryan. But you know, everywhere I turned, and everything
I read about Newfoundland eventually there'd be a reference to
Moses Harvey. And it was just like, you know, who
is this guy and and why is he interested in
things like the fisheries or the railroad or potential copper
mines on the west coast. And so it was mainly
because he was just an interesting character and I just
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wanted to learn more about him and tell a bit
of a tale.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Well, and I need to tell one quickly now. So
Jim's reference to the Fishing Admiral. Most listeners will know
the late great Shannon Ryan, wonderful Newfoundland and Labrador historian,
did so much to promote our history. Jim was Shannon's
teaching assistant. I was his student, one of his students,
and I think what eighty of us wrote a paper
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on the Fishing Admiral. Mine was late coming in because
I had a rugby injury. Jim claims that it was
a fictitious injury. I claim that it was real. Nonetheless,
Jim and Shannon let me get an a. So I
appreciate that. Thank you for that, my friend.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
You know, that was the biggest shock of all, Tim,
was the fact that you got an.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
A well, and my mother probably still agrees with you. Now,
tell us about how this lecture came about tonight, it's
at the Kirk at seven pm. How did this all
come to pass?
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Yeah, well, so, you know, the folks at St. Andrews
sort of were going through their own history and realized
that they had some really interesting folks that were part
of the part of the congregation. You know, people like
former Prime Minister Robert Thorburn. You've got the Reed family,
Walter Greeve, You've got a whole bunch of folks that
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were involved. And they thought, you know, these are stories
that are worth celebrating, and so they've started to slowly
create little exhibits throughout the church honoring various people. And
they decided that Moses Harvey was worthy of honoring. And
they figured since the only person that knew anything really
about Moses Harvey in the world was me, so they
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asked me to come down and I was happy to
do that.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, default often is a good thing. And I see
Jona Ritzy's going to be there tonight. Fun fact, I
don't know if you know this, her mom and dad
were my babysitters. So give her a hug for all
the emotional support they needed dealing with us. Now I
need to give a moment to this. Your dad, wonderful man,
passed away ninety three. Was he ninety four? I can't remember.
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Ninety four passed away this summer. Well loved head of
Saint David's for years and years. Of course, your mom
physiotherapist in the city, armors a long history. When you
bear your dad in Montreal, you had three hundred people there.
Just talk about your dad a little bit in what
Newfoundland and a Labrador meant to him, because that love
still carries forward with you and your family.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean, you know Newfoundland where
meant meant everything to him. It was you know, it
was he had a couple of small, smaller congregations before,
but really it was his first congregation here when he came,
you know, met my mother here, got married, had a family,
but you know, really spent sort of twenty five years
of a minister and involved in all aspects of the city,
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and you know, so really it meant everything. He took
a great interest in the history of Saint David's congregation
as well. And there's a link there that goes back
to the old Congregationalist Church and they're actually celebrating their
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary as a congregation, going back
to seventeen seventy five, and they're doing that next week.
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So you know, love of history, love of the place.
And if you ever asked him you know where home was,
he would definitely say Saint John's and Newfoundland.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
And his sons, three sons and daughter aren't bad either,
And proud of you. A last one for you, Jim,
tell the audience how long it took to complete the leases.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Well, it took a long time. So you know, I
am a poster child for procrastination because I joined the
program in nineteen eighty nine, was supposed to be submitted
in nineteen ninety one. Then I went to the Mainland
and things got in the way, get married, to get
jobs and everything else, and so I kept putting it off,
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putting it off, until finally twenty five years later, at
twenty sixteen, I submitted the thing and walked across the
stage with the people who could be my children. So
there you go. So my advice to everybody is don't
give up, keep at it, stick to it, and eventually
you'll finish it.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Well and anybody who's got time to go listen to Jim.
It will be an awesome lecture. Come back soon, buddy.
We miss you, Thank you, good luck tonight.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Thank you to him.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Thanks take care. That is jar murmur He'll be speaking
at Saint Andrews tonight at seven o'clock on Moses Harvey.
When we come back, we're going to talk to the
race coordinator for the Cape to Cabot Run. Stay tuned
for that the Tim Power Show. Join the Conversation weekday
afternoons at four pm on your VOCM. The three big
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races in North America that hardcore runners want to do
are the Telly ten Hamilton's thirty k race and the
Boston Marathon. But I think there's a fourth that now
should be in that list because it's got a tremendous reputation.
That is the Cape to Cabot Run. It is tough,
I am told, haven't done it yet, hoping to do
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it one day, and we are lucky right now to
have the race director, Daniel Conway on the line with us. Dan.
I live at the foot of Signal Hill and the
thought of running nineteen k then running up that frigging
hill is not for the faint of heart. This race
has a tremendous reputation for those who like a challenge.
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Is it deserved?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, for sure, Tim, It's you know, one of the
most crueling races, I would say, and probably Eastern North
America in terms of road races. Go and yeah, like
you said that, that final climb from the bottom of
Temperance sure, right to the top of Signal Hill at
the final mile of the race, and it's challenging.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah, and your legs are jelly often then by the
time you got to do that because you've been up
and down. You've been up and down this race. Is
this Sunday? How many years now, Dan, has the race
been going on?
Speaker 2 (42:49):
This will be your nineteenth running out of the race
with the first one two thousand and seven was the
first official running.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
And in terms of the runners that that take it
in because it's a different type of training, it's not
that Look, the Telly ten is not an easy race,
but there's one really significant hill and it's just a hill,
and that's around Cornwall Avenue. This is a tough race
for the runners that do this. How much work do
they have to put in so it's not an entirely
(43:17):
awful experience.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
You know, I definitely recommend doing some running before taking
on the challenge like this. Like you said, the training
you do for this is probably a little different than
for other road races, but you know, making sure you're
doing some consistent running and incorporating hills up and down
into your training because the downhill is going challenging as well.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've done ma petite trend of noord
here up in Ontario that's all downhill, and people think
that's easy, but after a while, your hips, your hips
take the toll of all of that. So Dan, this weekend,
how many runners, how many runners from away? What's it
all looking like.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, we kept the race at five hundred and we
are sold out, so we'll see how many start the race.
Sometimes it could be a fewer race morning, but yeah,
we have thirty five fish runners from other provinces. We've
gotten nine from outside of Canada. Some includes Switzerland, Denmark
and Norway, so we do have some people from all over. Yeah,
(44:23):
which is you know, always good to see.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Last year, Mark Green one hour and seventeen minutes and
two seconds, Alison Stucklass one hour thirty two thirty six.
Those sort of the general average times for winning, and
they're fast, particularly going up and down those hills.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, they're and you know, based on the caliber runners
that we have this year, I think we'll likely see
you know, potentially some some similar winning times again this year.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
So for anybody who wants to watch, where are the
best vantage points to check it out?
Speaker 2 (44:58):
You know, the road along like Blackhead Road, I guess
it is hard to kind of access just because it
is kind of reduced to traffic. So when runners are
coming down out of Shay Heights, that's kind of a
nice place to see them. They have to do an
out and back on south Side Road and then they
hit their downtown and of course, you know the final
most challenging piece running up Temperance in Signal Hill. We
(45:21):
tend to get a lot of spectators there and we
do have some cheer volunteers there as well, a kind
of like the two year zone, So there is already
going to be a lot of people there, But downtown
can be quite lonely because you don't get a lot
of spectators on there.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, you're coming out and you know what's coming and
you're almost done, and yeah, I hear you listen. It's
such an awesome race. It's known in so many different communities.
It's and I'm glad you're putting it off for yet
another year. Thank you for joining us. Good luck to
you in making sure the race goes off, and all
(45:56):
the runners appreciate the time today Dan.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, thanks Tim. I just want to give a shout
out to all the volunteers and thank you everyone.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah, these things don't happen without volunteers. All right. There
you have at the Cape to Cabin happening on Sunday.
Check it out if you can. Great race. Thank you
for listening to us today. You got a whole cross
section of things. I hope you liked it. Thank you
to Kladak. Back tomorrow with more of the Timpower Show.
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