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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Tim Power Show on your VOCM. The
views and opinions of this programer not necessarily those of
this station. Here's Tim Thursday, October the ninth grade, to
be with you. Good day to be a Canadian sports fan.
The Jays, of course, one last night beating the most
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dominant team in baseball's history, the New York Yankees, first
time they ever met in a playoff series, and the
Jays won three games to one overall, one five to
two last night, and now move on to face either
see Attle or Detroit Sunday in Toronto. Tickets available. I
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know a couple of people who've picked them up. They
are not cheap face value. For example of seats in
the two hundred levels seven hundred dollars apiece. So imagine
what they're gonna be like if they keep going. But
there you have it, your money, you want to spend it,
and you can. You can get to Toronto check out
the game. Five to two seem to be common score
because Greg Smith's beloved Toronto Maple leafs day one five
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to two as well. Over the Montreal Canadians, Leaf's planning
Stanley Cup Parade. Leaf fans planning Stanley Cup parades already,
I imagine with that victory over Montreal. All right, let's
move past the sports and into the business of the day.
I want to throw this one out before we get
into what will be the focus of our day, which
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will be a lot of Newfoundland Labrador election stuff. We're
almost done, everybody, We're almost done, but it's important to
stay on it. I saw this number and thought it
was fascinating given earlier in the week our Prime Minister,
of course, met with Donald Trump and was very flattering
and friendly towards him. Many people critical of that. But
to be fair of the Prime Minister, what exactly is
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he supposed to do? Nonetheless, a new NANO survey say says,
excuse me, eighty percent of Canadians think boycotting US goods
or travel is helpful. So we still want to keep
our elbows up for all the good that that is.
It makes us feel good, so maybe that's important. Certainly,
what I see in here is people are doing just that,
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boycotting travel and goods, hoping that we'll send it a
message to Donald Trump. But I'm not sure what we
do in Canada will mean that much to the President
unless it has an impact on the bottom line and
the bottom line today. Well, that is the story of
last night. In the next few days, I had the
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chance to watch some of the debate last night, moving
between doing something with David Cochran on TV and going
to see Patrick my son play basketball. Thankfully I was
awake because watching the debate was a less than exciting
thing for me, and I do this sort of stuff
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fairly regularly. I thought it was a low energy affair.
I'm not taking away anything from the efforts and desires
of the three men who would be Premier of New
Finland and Labrador who were featured, but it just came
across as so low energy. Maybe that's a reflection of
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the times. Because of course we had a municipal vote
in Saint John's last night. Voter turnout was down. Maybe
the low energy is just how we're all feeling at
the moment. But you would think for just ninety minutes
there might have been a little bit more accepment, particularly
from the opposition politicians. I appreciate they're trying to be
calm and dignified and that's very important, but the energy,
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if maybe they were presenting it, it just didn't translate
through the screen. Things like that probably benefit the incumbent,
but it's been so hard to know what is happening
in this new Foundland and Labrador election. We'll just see
what do we have today. In a second, we're going
to hear some clips from last night's debate Curtius of
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our friend Russell Bauers. Then we're going to talk to
our Zach Power. He's got some news on a little
dust up in one of the One of the writings
that happened at a public debate certainly wasn't low energy there.
We're then going to talk to a new member of
Saint John's City Council and according to her mother's Facebook post,
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and I think she's right, the youngest member of city
council ever, and that is Kate Cadigan. We'll talk to
her around four twenty four point thirty. We're going to
talk to our friend Paul Walsh about a survey that
the Autism Society Commission put out to all the to
the parties to see what he got in response to
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all of that. We're going to talk to the CEO
of civicx Erein, organizations that oversees young people's engagement in
voting and an exercise as they've done here in Newfoundland
and Labrador student votes. We're going to report on them
and we'll talk to somebody from the city of Saint
John's about the circular economy. But let's start here. As
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you know, the three party leaders squared off last night
in their one and only debate. Over the course of
ninety minutes, they discussed a dozen topics, from the MoU
to healthcare and spending. There's been lots of talk of
spending and promises to do more, not so much though,
about the cutbacks that may need to happen. Vo Sims
Russell Bauers was one of the journalists on hand to
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pose the question to pose questions to lead the leaders.
After the debate ended, Russell spoke with PC leader Tony
Wakem and the NDP's Jim Din about whether they can
really afford what they are pledging to do to start though.
Here's Liberal leader John Hogan on what challenges are ahead
for his budgeting.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
If you're successful informing the next government, what's going to.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Be the difficulty.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Woud you've got to go before the electorate and say
we got to think about restraint this debt and deficits
is a big rock to push up a hill.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So I think it's all about balance, and that's why
the Liberal government that I was prout of made sure
that we created the Future Fund because it is a balance.
It's spending on services now and it's making sure we
have money for later. So the money that we make
on the Future Fund is more than it would be.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
For the cost of borrowing.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
So that was a wise prudent financial decision. You can't
fix things overnight, but you need the plan. It's the
same as saying you pay your mortgage off and hopefully
you have enough money to put in your RSP so
by the time you turn a retirement h you have
that money there. It takes a little bit of time
to build up that nest egg. And that's what we're
doing as a province. That's what we're doing as a party.
That's what we've done as a government, is to not
pull our all eggs in one basket, but to make
sure we look at all economic opportunities to make sure
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that money is there not only for now, but for
the future of new for lantmages and labratory.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And how close do you expect to be working with
the federal government to tackle the financial situation that Newfatland
finds itself hit, you know very closely.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I think that's what Prime Minister Currenty has promoted really
since he became leader of the Liberal Party was nation
building projects and that's why we want We wanted to
match that and announce our own major project's office here
in this province. I think we'll work very much hand
in hand. They believe what we believe. They believe that
getting people to work, getting jobs here in Newfouland and
Labrador in Canada is a great thing economically, and it's
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what Newflander's Labradorians want, what they deserve, frankly, and we'll
be there for.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Them, our voters, being prepared for if there are cutbacks
in spending with the next government or restraints on spending
that may need to come to handle things like that
in deficit.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And that's a fair question. We've done our best and
why we put this costed platform out is we've heard
what the what priorities are for people and we've attempted
to address those priorities. You've heard me speak about them
in the House of Assembly, and we wanted to show
clearly that we're not going to add to the deficit
and we'll end up with the surplus according to what
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we've got in our budget, and we've got that cushion there.
So our plan is to come up with a as
I said, a realistic, practical and doable plan that's not
going to add to the deficit. It's going to deliver
on our promises. And again I have to go back
to we are not responsible for the deficits and that
we see this is we've never been in power, but
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we're ready to be in that position if we're call
upon and with a plan, clear plan for four years
that will address that. But in the end, when it
comes to debt and deficit, we still got to make
sure people have the basic needs.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
In this problence.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You're campaigning from the opposition side obviously, so if elected
to government, you wouldn't be the first opposition leader to
get a look at the books and realize you can't
actually cash in on some of the promises that you're making.
What's it going to be like if you can't carry
through some of the spending promises and that you have
to break the news to voters that there may be
cuts there, maybe restraint.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
And That's why it was so important for me when
I talked about the commitments that we've made so far,
to look at where the money was within the existing
budget framework, within the existing expenditure that we have in
our province right now. And I have pointed out several
instances where I believe that money could have been used better,
more wisely, and pointed them out all through the platform.
So that was the start to make sure we able
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to do that. We have a significant deficit in this province.
We all know that. But one of the things we
have to do. I can't stand up here before and
tell people the problems, you know, in a front of
a TV audience, Oh yeah, we're going to balance the
books in five years or ten years or or we
have a plan until you do what you just said,
we have to do. We have to get in there.
We have to find out exactly what the province's books
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looks like. And let's be honest, the Liberal Party has
not been you know, they've been fudging numbers. All you
have to do is look at the last budget when
they took five hundred million dollars of tobacco tax revenue
that we won't receive for another twenty years and put
it in this year the Auditor General call them out
on it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
That is PC leader Tony Wakem on what his platform
spending in the reality of being in government Coupee. You
also heard from Jim Dinn of the NDP and before
that Liberal John Hogan. They spoke to our friend Russell Bauers,
and thank you to Russell forgetting all of that audio
last night. Let's bring on our friend Zach power Zech
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before you tell me about the dust up in Central Newfoundland,
which maybe is the most exciting thing that has happened.
Not that it's appropriate, I have to share this and
get you the question of the day on our website,
did the leader's debate affect the way you're planning to vote?
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And a whopping sixty six percent of people said no,
Well there you go, because I don't know how you
found it, but I found it to be a very
low energy affair, unlike what happened in Grandfalls Windsor. Tell
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us about that.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Yeah, and we know that there was a dual set
of forms that were happening in Grandfalls Windsor. One was
with the candidates for exploits and the other one was
with parts of Grandfalls, windsor Buckins, and this was going
on around the same time as the provincial leader's debate.
It was a little bit of odd timing, but it
all started with Chris Tibbs and Barry Manuel, the PC
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and Liberal candidates, exchanging over a meeting that the two had.
Tib said that something along the lines.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Of We're not going to take it anymore.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Manuel then said, called the kettle black, and then accused
Tims of being in Alberta not doing his job during
a wildfire in twenty twenty three. And of course I'm
all paraphrasing this right now, and you know, we can't
really get to those clips at this moment, but tib
said that the municipal government was not building enough homes.
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Manual then responded with not once in the six years
did this MJ reach out to me. Manuel then stood
up and then claimed that the meetings had never happened
while Tibbs was at the podium, and so that's where
the two of them started calling each other dishonest over
what actually happened and when did they meet and how
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did they meet. So this of course was being streamed
on Rogers TV last night, and that's when You could
see the moderator trying to step in and you could
see him take off his earpiece, trying to get a
hold of these two candidates, both of them jarring at
each other on screen. You could see Barry Manual pointing
fingers and holding up some papers before the Rogers feet
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cuts away from that, they cut to a generic picture
and it was never seen.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Again for a little while.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
It cut back very briefly and you could see a
Rogers TV producer trying to interfere and intervene between the
two of them, telling them to break it up. It
was about ten minutes later before the debate continued again
as if nothing ever happened. There was a little bit
of talking from Barry Manual about why he was so
upset and whatever, and it really did start off with
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Barry saying, well, I didn't bring any notes, I didn't
really need any notes, and then Timbs was there reading
off of some notes.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
But then he kind of.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Straight off the script a little bit. But there's clearly
some bad blood between the two of them.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Understatement of the day, perhaps, Zach, maybe a lesson for
both of them there, guys, you gotta have cool heads. Yeah,
it gives us some excitement to report. I'm not sure
how the public likes it. How did the two leaders
of the two respective candidates.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
React, Zach, Yeah, Well, we first heard from PC leader
Tony Wakem, who said that he never heard of it,
and he was inside a scrum, and then after a
couple of questions I finally got out and he said, well,
you know, I think that we should all respect each
other's personal space, but I believe that in the end,
this is not the approaches that we need, and it's
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about the bigger issues and what not. So very you know,
diplomatic answer, then we would to We heard from PC. Sorry,
we heard from Liberal leader John Hogan, who said that
he hadn't heard of it first. In our last nobody
in the bus ever told him anything, and this is
the first he's hearing that. It almost sounded like it
was the first he heard that even happened. The way
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he responded to those questions and the most that we
got out of him, he said, quote, I'm sure Barry
did a great job. He's one of our great candidates,
a former mayor, and I'm sure he did a great
job in the debate last night.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So tink of that?
Speaker 6 (14:20):
What you will, between the two saying that they've never
heard of it. Both of these politicians have been around
the block before, as you can imagine, Tim, So it's
not entirely surprising that we didn't get anything out of that.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, it sounds like they could roll around the block
with the fist flying if if they were asked to
do so, given that performance last night. All right back
to normal, Zach. What happened on the campaign trail today?
I know, start with the Liberals. They are expanding one
of the tax credits brought in previously for sport activity
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and wellness.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Yeah, and this is all part of I guess what
I'm calling election wind down. You know, somebody say that
it's election wind up, but I'm calling an election wind
down because this is We're at the trail end at
these announcements now, and we're going to start seeing less
and less of these big, splashy announcements. I guess you
could say. Well, they're saying that they're going to double
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the funding for the grants to the youth organizations totally
about five hundred and fifty thousand dollars. They're also going
to modify the physical tax credit to become the healthy
living tax and expand the eligibility beyond physical activity to
include programs like music, dance and whatnot. So that's what
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we heard from the Liberals the PCs. We're at Trades
and now where they continued their talks about the ferry system,
and he really harped on the Liberals for not wanting
to build a new facility and create what he calls
a new industry. I asked him today, I said, how
much is it going to cost to build this new industry?
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And he said that it is invaluable.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
That's the cost. And mister Din, what did mister Din do?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Yeah, mister Din was doing a little bit of campaigning today,
a little bit of rallying with some of his volunteers
and his candidates. He was really looking in the rear
view mirror, pumping his tires on how well he thinks
he did in the debate. I'll leave how well he
actually did up to the listeners, because I'm sure everybody
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has a different opinion on how.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
He normally the case.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Yeah, and so he thought he did very well, and
that was his main focus today is looking back and
then talking about what the previous Liberals and the previous
PCs have done in past saying that it's his turn
to have a shot.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Well, there you go. We'll see and maybe I know
you're you're not You're off tomorrow. Maybe we'll have that
MQO poll tomorrow. Maybe that'll add some excitement to all
of this. But Zach, thank you. We'll get you back
on Tuesday. Hopefully you can enjoy the weekend with a
couple of Jays wins. Did you like that last night? Zach?
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Did you like that last night? And at your Canadians loss? Open?
I know, I like the fact that the Jays won.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
You know what, it was a full night of TV.
I was glued from about seven to midnight on the TV,
so you know what, it was an all around goodnight.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Well, there you go. Well you have a good weekend.
Thank You've been awesome over the last four weeks. We'll
talk again on Tuesday. Appreciate it, my friend.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Thanks Tim.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
All Right, that is our Zach power and we've been lucky.
Zach's been with us just about every day to tell
you what is out there. I know, I know, I
know people may not like the election and frustrated with
it all, but look, our job is to share with
you what's out there so you can make the best
choice possible if you're going to make a choice. And
I encourage you to do all of that. And somebody
who made a choice was Kate Cannigan. She made a
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choice to put her hand up and she won. We're
going to talk to her when we come back here
on the Tim Power Show. Maybe six or seven months
ago was only an idea. The idea became a plan,
the plan became a reality. And now now she is
a city councilor or soon will be officially sworn in
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as one. Who's that? That is Kate Cadogan, one of
the newly elected councilor's counselor at large. Do I have
to call you a counselor Cadigan.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
You can call me Kate.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
There you go. That's good, good politics. Listen. I am
so pleased and happy for you. Clearly your mom is
because whether it's true or not, you according to your mum, Lynn,
And who am I to go against her or you
for that matter, are the youngest counselor ever elected to
city council. How does that feel? Not not just the age, Kate,
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but the fact you know, you went out and did it.
Anybody who's known you, and I've known you for a
little bit, la you're a determined, able, capable person. But
still there's lots of good people who put the hands
up and don't don't succeed. How did how did this all?
First of all, how do you feel today?
Speaker 8 (19:07):
I feel obviously, I feel great. You know, it's it's
an honor to be to be elected in the first place,
but certainly as the as the youngest counselor ever in
the city of Saint John's, you know, that's that's just
another layer of excitement for me. So it's certainly been
a pretty special twenty four hours and we're over the moon.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And how did you do it? I mean, it's not
easy when you're new. The look you've been involved and
in around politics, you've been well known to a lot
of people in political circles and outside. You are strong
voice and equal voice, and you've done other community leader
taken other community leadership positions. But still you had to
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go out, you had to knock on doors to get elected.
How did your success come about? How do you think
you won?
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Kate in the end, that's a that's a big question,
and I think you know We started almost six months
ago is when I publicly announced, and basically since then,
we've been knocking on doors, going to community events, talking
to residents in every corner of the city, really listening
to them and getting to know them and their concerns.
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You know, I went into this campaign with the mindset
of listening and learning so that I can be the
best representative possible, and I think that went a long
way when talking to residents.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, and tell us how important. Some people who aren't
involved in politics sometimes scoff at the notion, Oh, you
got to go knock on doors, and does that really
matter in this eighty age of social media. I mean
a lot of people do campaigning on social media, but
I think knocking on doors matters. Why does it matter, Kate? Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
It was.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
First of all, it was my favorite part of this
whole thing. I mean, social media, certainly, you know, is important,
and in the campaign it was important, but nothing can replace,
you know, a face to face interaction with someone on
their doorstep. You hearing directly from somebody you know, their
their worries, their concerns, their hopes and their dreams. That's
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the best way to do it. And I, you know,
throughout the past five months, we saw that firsthand, right,
You can build build trust that way when you're speaking
directly to people, and it's you know, we need to
keep it up even when you are elected. Making sure
you have that face time with residents is really important.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
So what happens next? When do you officially get sworn in?
What does it mean in terms of other aspects of
your life? Tell us a little bit about what you
are expecting through the course of transition here.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
Yeah, so the next week is going to be exciting.
The new council will be sworn in next week, which
will be fabulous, and I'm really looking forward to that.
For me, you know, I'm ready to get to work.
I am a recent graduate of Memorial and I spent
the past five months doing this and this was my plan.
So I'm really looking forward to diving in headfirst and
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of course learning a bunch. I'm sure there will be
lots of learning in the for the first little while
on how I can best serve as counselor at large
and really put my all into it. And that's certainly
my main priority right now, and it's exciting.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Just before I let you go, and you've always led
on giving messages to your peers and others. But now
that you're elected, obviously you haven't served yet, and you
will have a different a view after you've served about
what the first term of serving has been like. But
what do you say to young people who are out there?
And maybe there's a young Kake Caddigan in the audience
who's saying, Hey, I think I want to try this too,
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and maybe when the next chance to put my hand
up municipally, federally, provincially comes, I'm going to do what cheated?
What do you say to them?
Speaker 8 (23:00):
I would encourage them to do it. I mean, this
has been amazing experience so far. The campaign was a
great experience. And I know at the beginning, I you know,
considered like is this too wild? Is this too big
of a dream? And you know, we can often get
in our own heads when it comes to these kinds
of things. But you know you're successful for even putting
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your name forward. And our province is lucky enough to
have several young counselors who have been re elected or
elected for the first time this week, so you know
it is possible. And the experience you gain along the
way and role models and mentorship. All that is, you know,
it's hard to find anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Indeed, indeed it isn't. But thank you for putting your
hand up. I think it's just great to see new, smart,
able young people like you who want to lead and
want to shape our future. Congratulations, proud of you. Tell
your mother I'll buy her history lesson for now until
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I prove otherwise.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
All right, Ah, thank you so much. Tim, have a
good one.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Take care. That is new counselor Kate Cadigan counselor Arch
City of Saint John's. Congratulations to her and everybody. Those
who won, those who put their hand up, all very important.
As Kate herself said, when we come back, we're going
to talk to our friend Paul Walsh at the Autism Society.
We spoke to Paul when Donald Trump was making his
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ill informed musings about tilan All and autism. Paul put
out a survey to the party leaders to get some
feedback on where they were on issues important to the
Autism Society. We'll hear what Paul found out in a
moment here on the Tim Power Show. We were lucky
enough to have Paul walshawan a couple of weeks ago
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when there was the silly controversy of whether or not
Tiler and All contributed to autism. We've got Paul back
with us today to talk about a letter the Autism
Society of Newfoundland and Laborator sent to each of the
parties asking for their positions and a number of issues. Paul,
good to have you. Glad we're talking about something real
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and substantive today. Tell us about the letter, what you
asked and what you heard.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
Okay, So thanks for the opportunity, Tim, I do appreciate it,
as you say, talking about something real. So on the
sixteenth of September, to give them lots of time, we
sent a letter to each of the party leaders and
we asked them about key issues that they relate to
our community. Because while as and L is about listening
to the voice of community, we are also trying to
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help inform that voice. So it's an election we want
to make sure that people are informed. So we asked
about student sports services and schools because it continues to
be a problem in terms of ensuring the rights of
students in school. We asked about inclusive education, professionalizing rest
but very big one eliminating way times around diagnostics. So
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if you have a child that developmental pednutrition, let's say,
or someone had says said, you know you should be
we're going to refer you for an assessment to determine
if your child has autism in the Matro area. Right now,
based on the numbers the health services people give me,
you're looking at about thirty three months wait, which is
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a long time, especially when the Autism Action Plan, which
we've also talked about the need to update, says it
should be six So we've talked about those things spanning
really also right services throughout the lifespan, because there's adults
with autism and now increasingly seniors with autism. So we
ask them their position on those things, including the importance
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of understanding the value of work done by community groups
in general, the fact that we're doing work that otherwise
would follow in the public system at a much greater cost,
and ensuring that those MINDI groups are supported to do
that work.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So what did you get in terms of responses? You
get thoughtful responses, quick responses, a mixture of all of this.
I know, all of the responses just for the audience's
purpose or on your Facebook page, I believe how would
you summarize them. Did you get the kind of answers
or direction you were looking for that may help inform
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people for whom we're addressing the issues that you've raised
are important.
Speaker 9 (27:31):
Well, first of all, I want to thank of each
of the parties for taking the time to respond, because
I know how busy they are right now. You know
what this is like in the political world, how busy
a time it is, so I do really appreciate the
time and response, and not surprisingly because of the how
busy they are, more or less got really general responses
that say, here, you understand you, we need to talk
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after the election, and that's fair. I don't I'm not
being critical of that in any way. So when we
got that back, we said, you know, we're not we
want to inform a community of this is how the
parties responded. We don't want to editorialize it, so we didn't.
We just said here's what we asked, here's what they responded,
and we put them out and let people decide for themselves.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I wonder, Paul is not to be overly critical of
the parties. As you say, they're getting lots of groups
like yours whose issues are important. Ask them questions and
they're responding. But I do wonder when it comes to
the discussion around autism from people who aren't directly connected
to it or with it, that sometimes you do get
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that passing, well meaning comment that can be a little frustrating.
I'm gathering again, I'm not picking on any political party here.
I think human beings do the same thing. But is
that more common than not? People will say, oh, that's terrible,
I wish I could do something, or here's what I
would do. Tell us a little bit about that, certainly, And.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
I think that that happens, you know, with the autistic community,
happens with the disability community in general. And you and
I know each other. You know, I have a physical disability,
so you know, I've been around the whole disability advocacy
peace will call it, for a bunch of years with
some wonderful people, some of whom I know, you know,
like people like Nancy Reed and others. And you know,
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there's a lot of that yeah, we hear you, we'll
talk to you later kind of thing. And I realize,
you know, you realize, well, you know, we're a small part.
But when you think about it, if the greater thing
the Greater disabled community is thirty one percent of the population.
Now politically, speaking to him, we don't vote together, so
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we're not we're not going to all vote the same.
So it all breaks down into different disabilities. And if
you know anything about disability, and I know you do,
there's so many different things, right, you know, for me
to you know, I'm physically disabled, somebody else's autistics, somebody
else get an intellectual disability, and so on, in sight, hearing, whatever,
So everybody's needs are different. But so it's frustrating because
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you know where I sit, you get to see the need.
You know, I've got a parent who's just been told
they need to send their child for an assessment and
they're waiting three and a half years. I've got parents
who are in their seventies who have cared for an
individual their whole lives, who are now who's now in
say forties or fifties, and they're wondering what happens to
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my child when I pass on, And I can't give
them a good answer because those you know, those answers
aren't there. So that gets really frustrated. There's no question
about that. But again, I do appreciate the position that
you know, you articulated it very well. We're not the
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only organization that sent them a letter. Everybody's publishing their
letters now, so there's a lot of pressure on them
to respond in a very short four week period.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
The last thing for you, I mean, we've hurt so
many promises this election campaign, and that's what happens in elections.
Parties make promises, they hope the public look at them
or don't look at them, and they decide whatever way
they decide. When this election is all said and done,
you know what are you hoping whomever the government is
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will do when it comes to the issues you have raised.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
My hope is that for the autistic community in particular,
and just in the disability community in general, that whomever
is in power understands the voice of lived experience. So
that we talked about the Autism Action Plan, so it
was a three year plan that's like seven years old.
We need a whole revised plan that I call it
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the Autism Implementation Plan. So we need to take those
goals that you can tick boxes on and actually say
how are we going to implement them? But that plan
doesn't need to be written by they'll service us both
fo no disrespect to them or the government policy folks,
no disrespect to them. The people sitting at the table
writing in that have to be autistic. They have to
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have the lived experience to be able to look at it.
What that lends if whomever gets in can understand that
without lived experience, not consultation, because the disability community's expertise
has been tasked for free for far too long. And
if we hired a consultant because of their expertise, we
paid them a fortune. But if you're disabled, you have
to do it for free. That's got to stop. And
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we need to say these are the people that know
what's going on. These are the subject matter experts. Let's
get them to do the work and sit down with
us and do it and not just so to say,
so what do you think afterwards?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Great answer. I think you're banging on one. Paul. Thank you,
Thank you always for your time. We'll make sure we
keep covering this story and the work of the Autism
Society of New for LANDA Labrador, thank you, my friend.
Speaker 9 (32:57):
Appreciate it very much. Appreciate everything in b OCM does
to help us publicize our message.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Take care all right? That is that is Paul Walsh.
Happy that Paul was able to join us. You heard
about what the Autism Society of Newfoundland and Labrador was
asking of party leaders. Well, there's another group that's engaging people,
getting younger people to participate in the democratic process, albeit
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not in an official capacity, but in a capacity that
allows them to learn. That group is Civixed and Student
Vote is their program. It's a program of Civic Civic.
Civic is a non partisan, registered Canadian charity dedicated to
strengthening democratic democracy through civic education. CIVICS programming focuses on elections,
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government budgets, elected representatives, and digital media literacy. And this
year they have a student Vote program for the twenty
twenty five Newfoundland and the Labrador provincial election fifteen thousand
future voters. I've had the pleasure in the past of
speaking to this group and many of their leaders, and
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I am delighted today that we have Lindsay Mazco, the
CEO of Civics. Lindsay, how are you?
Speaker 10 (34:17):
I'm great, Thanks Tim, thanks so much for having us.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Delighted to have it. You guys do such great work.
I mean, some of the people you put on your
board now You have some very good friends of mine
on your board, and they're awesome and they love what
they do. Tell us about the program for Newfoundland and
Labrador during the course of this election, lindsay.
Speaker 10 (34:36):
Sure, well, just to break it down, so she Vote
is a civic education program that provides students with an
opportunity to experience the voting process firsthand. And as you said,
it runs in parallel to re elections, and students learn
about government and the electoral process. They research the parties
and the issues and the platforms, and then they cast
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a ballot for the local candidates running and electoral district.
And then we take those results and we share them
publicly after the polls close on election nights. And really
the goal is to try to make civics education engaging
and meaningful by connecting it to real events.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeckause, often for students, you don't really have much of
an electoral experience. You may have some student council elections,
you may have elections for class president, and they're often
about who's better known, and maybe they're promising an extra
half day off that they can't really get you. Having
been a class president twice, I can tell you that
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might have been a promise that worked and I never
lived up to a terrible of me. But Lindsey, I
know from your group you really get because you need it,
the buying of teachers. When I've spoken to your groups,
it's been with teachers there tell us how important this
is for the teachers to have this ability to run
a program like this.
Speaker 10 (35:56):
Oh, we are so grateful for all of the teachers
that you know, take this on and really champion democracy
in their schools in the lines of the curriculum, but
you know it's extra as well, and so we're so
appreciative of all the teachers that do take the time
to run the program and engage their students in the election.
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And as you said, we've done lots of training events
with teachers over the years to try to inspire them
and build their commitment to the program and build their
capacity as well. But we've got one hundred and forty
eight schools registered from throughout the province and so we've
got i would imagine over four hundred teachers are so
involved in the campaign, which is amazing.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
And you try and simulate what we the voters over
eighteen go through. You've got ballot boxes and voting screens.
Tell us about why that's important too, for sure.
Speaker 10 (36:51):
So it's really important that we try to make it
as authentic as possible. So on election day, you know,
students take on the roles of poll workers and they
use the materials that look quite identical to the adult
process as well, the voting screens and ballot boxes, and
they take it really seriously. And you know, many are
actually really surprised when they go into a real polling
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station to see how close it looked at their school.
And that's really important so that they build the confidence
to vote in the future.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
And you give them educational materials, So tell us a
little bit about the materials they get and what they
speak to.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
Sure, so schools get free learning resources, they get lesson
plans about democracy, levels of government. Uh, you know, the
election process in the Labrador, how to research the candidates,
the voting process. It covers a wide variety of issues,
our sorry topics, and there's elementary and high school versions
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of those. We also have, you know, a variety of
videos that they can use to help introduce concepts. And
this year too, we also did a video Q and
A with the party leaders.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
So we oh, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
Yeah, we invite the students to sendit questions for the
party leaders and we selected five and showed them with
the campaigns and they're on our website so anyone can
see them. And it's a really great resource because students,
you know, appreciate that the leaders are talking directly to
them about the issues that they hear about, and they
use that to help them inform how they're going to
vote on student vot days.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
And have you been able to do any research, Lindsy
on how these programs may help drive the democratic engagement
of the people you connect with the students and the
teachers afterwards. I mean, I get the sense that it
is a reinforcing thing, but do you have any data
that tells us what happens afterwards? You know, I guess
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we could look at participation numbers, turn out numbers and
see what they are among young people. Certainly right now
among young people, we're seeing a greater engagement, it seems
at the federal level.
Speaker 10 (38:58):
What can you tell, Yeah, so we've done a lot
of independent evaluations over the years in collaborational elections Canada actually,
and so what we've found is, you know, they've kind
of built this kind of profile of a young voter,
and that young voter has you know, higher levels of
political knowledge, a greater sense of voting is a civic
duty right, higher political interests. They interacted with candidates growing up,
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and they discussed politics at home. And so what we've
found through our program is that we are build we're
building those characteristics as future voters, and so you know,
it shows that they're more likely to vote later on
in life. I mean, we all know that there's lots
of factors that go into voting, but at least we're
reducing those barriers for why you know, often young people
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don't vote. You know, it's that they're not comfortable with
the process, or they're not interested, or they don't see
that it matters. And so I think we're really tackling
those issues through the program. There's a lot of research
that shows that you know, the habit of voting is
voting is a habit, sorry, and so you know, the
earlier that we can get them into the habit, the better,
and hopefully we're creating lifelong voters.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, so true. Last one for you, Look, you're a
non partisan registered Canadian charity. If there's a teacher listening
If there is somebody who says this is great and
I want to help, what can they do?
Speaker 10 (40:20):
They can just reach out to us. Our website is
civics dot ca A and we're always looking for teachers
who've got a wide arrity of programs, as you said
off the top, to engage you know, during elections, in
between elections and everything is free and we're so grateful
to be working with Elections an Labrador for this election
as well as the Government of Canada.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
So yeah's be in touch.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Well, appreciate that. Great to have you on. Say hello
to Dan for me. He's a worker, beee of of
significant order in your sphere. Appreciate the time, Lindsay, take.
Speaker 10 (40:53):
Care, Thank you so much.
Speaker 9 (40:54):
Tim all right, take you good.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
To talk to you. That is Lindsay Mazacochi is the
CEO of Civics and they are running student vote in
one hundred and forty eight schools across the province. That
is fantastic. When we come back, something a little more
direct and practical for many of you. It's Circular Economy Month.
Something else I didn't know. We're going to talk to
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Shelley Party about that and a workshop they're having back
with that in a moment here on The Tim Power Show.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
The Tim Power Show, Join the Conversation weekday afternoons at
four pm on your VOCM.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
You ever look around your house and you see, jeez,
why do I have that? Or why haven't I used that?
What can I do with it? All? Well? I think
we might learn some things now, which is great because
Lord knows I need the tips. It is Circular Economy Month.
What is that? And what is the virtual workshop? And
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saving money in the environment? It starts at home. Well,
Shelley Party is going to tell us all about. Shelley
is a supervisor the Waste of Waste version in the
City of Saint John's. Shelley, good to have you, boy.
I need all this. I'm a mess, So help me, Shelley,
help me. Help me. First of all, tell me what
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a circular economy is.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
Please, yes, okay. So our traditional economy is say a
take make waste. We've taken from the earth, We've made
something with it, and then once we're finished, we throw
it away or whatever's left. A circular economy. Between take,
make waste and circular economy. We all know about the
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three earths, reduce, reuse, recycle if they're in that order,
because that's the most important thing. Reduce what you use
and reuse what you have, and then recycle is still valuable,
but it is sort of the lowest thing that you
can do. So a circular economy kind of takes those
three earths and adds a bunch more ers. And you
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may have heard of refuse, redistribute, furbish, lots of different words,
all really falling on the reducer user cycle. So it's
instead of the lineary economy of take make waste. Instead
we have this circle of where very little, if any
waste comes out and it is all somehow reincorporated and used. Again.
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Compost is a really good example of a small circular economy.
You have your fruits and vegetables that maybe you've grown
in your garden or some farmers grown in a garden.
You then take those peelings maybe backyard compost them. Then
the next year you have a compost of put in
your garden to grow your vegetables or whatnot. So again
there's no waste with that, right, it's all in the circle,
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and the nutrient it's all stay in the system. So
the city of Saint John likes to celebrate this because
we are diverting lengths and recycling, but it's about much
more than just recycling.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Well, I'm going to add another R though it's really
in A and throwing the word useless in front of it.
I'm generally a useless erse if it sounds like an our,
but it's really an a when it comes to all
of this stuff. How tell us about the workshop saving
money in the environment and how people like me who
hear what you're saying, who fully understand what you're saying,
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but are just like, oh my god, I got to
organize all this crap and I got to get it
in the compost heap, and I can use this again.
Will the workshop help me and help others who are
a bit like me make things easier and at the
same time live up to those three hours.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
What these workshops are is it is a participatory workshop
where there are guidelines and hints and tips and suggestions.
Then also participants can learn from each other, and they
are also really aimed at not being a champion of
waste diversion or whatever. It really is about doing what
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fits in your lifestyle, easy little steps, maybe doing a
few small things at a time. Don't overwhelm yourself because
that's not helpful to any of us. So for locally,
if you want to learn about your waste and how
to divert some of it, the curb at Saint john
website or app curbet Saint John's has lots of good
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information in there, and of course you can also look
up your waist curbside waist pick up schedule and lots
of good information if you have questions about that stuff.
But these workshops really are just to learn from each other,
learn some hints and tips, but then maybe share some
of your ideas or that of what could have done well.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I'd be a total distraction on the virtual meeting. I'd
probably be arguing everything, which you don't. You don't need
me in the virtual workshop. But so it is Thursday.
Just give us the details show So anybody who's listening
and wants to participate camp, yes, for sure.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
So the workshop takes place. It's online, It's a virtual
or online workshop. It takes place next Thursday, October the sixteenth,
from noon or twelve pm to one thirty pm. The
workshop itself is the best an hour and then we
have a half an hour for if there's discussion or
anything like that, and anyone who does sign up, So
we have a bunch of people signed up so far.
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You can go to our website curb at Saint John's
dot CA. There should be a button right there on
the front page about the circular economy in the workshop.
You click that and then within there there's another link
to click to register for the workshop. It's really simple
to register and we want as many people to sign
up and take part because this will be valuable to everyone. Also,
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we are having a door prize for those people who
signed up and showed up to the workshop. One door
prize will be randomly drawn for a year's supply of
blue recycling bags and clear garbage bag.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Actually that's a really good prize because those things are
in cheap. What a great idea, Shelly. Great to have
you on. Thank you for tolerating my low brow humor
and lack of knowledge, but appreciate what you are actually doing.
It makes a difference.
Speaker 7 (47:00):
Thank you, Thank you so much. Him, I really appreciate
your work as well.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
All right. That is Shelley Party and Shelley is the
supervisor of Waste Diversion City of Saint John's and my
commentary aside, sounds pretty interesting. I'm glad I learned about
the circular economy. Thank you for listening today. Thank you
to Claudette, Thank you to Zach and Russell. Back tomorrow
with more of the Tim Power Show.
This is the Tim Power Show on your VOCM. The
views and opinions of this programer not necessarily those of
this station. Here's Tim Thursday, October the ninth grade, to
be with you. Good day to be a Canadian sports fan.
The Jays, of course, one last night beating the most
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dominant team in baseball's history, the New York Yankees, first
time they ever met in a playoff series, and the
Jays won three games to one overall, one five to
two last night, and now move on to face either
see Attle or Detroit Sunday in Toronto. Tickets available. I
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know a couple of people who've picked them up. They
are not cheap face value. For example of seats in
the two hundred levels seven hundred dollars apiece. So imagine
what they're gonna be like if they keep going. But
there you have it, your money, you want to spend it,
and you can. You can get to Toronto check out
the game. Five to two seem to be common score
because Greg Smith's beloved Toronto Maple leafs day one five
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to two as well. Over the Montreal Canadians, Leaf's planning
Stanley Cup Parade. Leaf fans planning Stanley Cup parades already,
I imagine with that victory over Montreal. All right, let's
move past the sports and into the business of the day.
I want to throw this one out before we get
into what will be the focus of our day, which
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will be a lot of Newfoundland Labrador election stuff. We're
almost done, everybody, We're almost done, but it's important to
stay on it. I saw this number and thought it
was fascinating given earlier in the week our Prime Minister,
of course, met with Donald Trump and was very flattering
and friendly towards him. Many people critical of that. But
to be fair of the Prime Minister, what exactly is
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he supposed to do? Nonetheless, a new NANO survey say says,
excuse me, eighty percent of Canadians think boycotting US goods
or travel is helpful. So we still want to keep
our elbows up for all the good that that is.
It makes us feel good, so maybe that's important. Certainly,
what I see in here is people are doing just that,
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boycotting travel and goods, hoping that we'll send it a
message to Donald Trump. But I'm not sure what we
do in Canada will mean that much to the President
unless it has an impact on the bottom line and
the bottom line today. Well, that is the story of
last night. In the next few days, I had the
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chance to watch some of the debate last night, moving
between doing something with David Cochran on TV and going
to see Patrick my son play basketball. Thankfully I was
awake because watching the debate was a less than exciting
thing for me, and I do this sort of stuff
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fairly regularly. I thought it was a low energy affair.
I'm not taking away anything from the efforts and desires
of the three men who would be Premier of New
Finland and Labrador who were featured, but it just came
across as so low energy. Maybe that's a reflection of
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the times. Because of course we had a municipal vote
in Saint John's last night. Voter turnout was down. Maybe
the low energy is just how we're all feeling at
the moment. But you would think for just ninety minutes
there might have been a little bit more accepment, particularly
from the opposition politicians. I appreciate they're trying to be
calm and dignified and that's very important, but the energy,
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if maybe they were presenting it, it just didn't translate
through the screen. Things like that probably benefit the incumbent,
but it's been so hard to know what is happening
in this new Foundland and Labrador election. We'll just see
what do we have today. In a second, we're going
to hear some clips from last night's debate Curtius of
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our friend Russell Bauers. Then we're going to talk to
our Zach Power. He's got some news on a little
dust up in one of the One of the writings
that happened at a public debate certainly wasn't low energy there.
We're then going to talk to a new member of
Saint John's City Council and according to her mother's Facebook post,
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and I think she's right, the youngest member of city
council ever, and that is Kate Cadigan. We'll talk to
her around four twenty four point thirty. We're going to
talk to our friend Paul Walsh about a survey that
the Autism Society Commission put out to all the to
the parties to see what he got in response to
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all of that. We're going to talk to the CEO
of civicx Erein, organizations that oversees young people's engagement in
voting and an exercise as they've done here in Newfoundland
and Labrador student votes. We're going to report on them
and we'll talk to somebody from the city of Saint
John's about the circular economy. But let's start here. As
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you know, the three party leaders squared off last night
in their one and only debate. Over the course of
ninety minutes, they discussed a dozen topics, from the MoU
to healthcare and spending. There's been lots of talk of
spending and promises to do more, not so much though,
about the cutbacks that may need to happen. Vo Sims
Russell Bauers was one of the journalists on hand to
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pose the question to pose questions to lead the leaders.
After the debate ended, Russell spoke with PC leader Tony
Wakem and the NDP's Jim Din about whether they can
really afford what they are pledging to do to start though.
Here's Liberal leader John Hogan on what challenges are ahead
for his budgeting.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
If you're successful informing the next government, what's going to.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Be the difficulty.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Woud you've got to go before the electorate and say
we got to think about restraint this debt and deficits
is a big rock to push up a hill.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So I think it's all about balance, and that's why
the Liberal government that I was prout of made sure
that we created the Future Fund because it is a balance.
It's spending on services now and it's making sure we
have money for later. So the money that we make
on the Future Fund is more than it would be.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
For the cost of borrowing.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
So that was a wise prudent financial decision. You can't
fix things overnight, but you need the plan. It's the
same as saying you pay your mortgage off and hopefully
you have enough money to put in your RSP so
by the time you turn a retirement h you have
that money there. It takes a little bit of time
to build up that nest egg. And that's what we're
doing as a province. That's what we're doing as a party.
That's what we've done as a government, is to not
pull our all eggs in one basket, but to make
sure we look at all economic opportunities to make sure
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that money is there not only for now, but for
the future of new for lantmages and labratory.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And how close do you expect to be working with
the federal government to tackle the financial situation that Newfatland
finds itself hit, you know very closely.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I think that's what Prime Minister Currenty has promoted really
since he became leader of the Liberal Party was nation
building projects and that's why we want We wanted to
match that and announce our own major project's office here
in this province. I think we'll work very much hand
in hand. They believe what we believe. They believe that
getting people to work, getting jobs here in Newfouland and
Labrador in Canada is a great thing economically, and it's
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what Newflander's Labradorians want, what they deserve, frankly, and we'll
be there for.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Them, our voters, being prepared for if there are cutbacks
in spending with the next government or restraints on spending
that may need to come to handle things like that
in deficit.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And that's a fair question. We've done our best and
why we put this costed platform out is we've heard
what the what priorities are for people and we've attempted
to address those priorities. You've heard me speak about them
in the House of Assembly, and we wanted to show
clearly that we're not going to add to the deficit
and we'll end up with the surplus according to what
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we've got in our budget, and we've got that cushion there.
So our plan is to come up with a as
I said, a realistic, practical and doable plan that's not
going to add to the deficit. It's going to deliver
on our promises. And again I have to go back
to we are not responsible for the deficits and that
we see this is we've never been in power, but
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we're ready to be in that position if we're call
upon and with a plan, clear plan for four years
that will address that. But in the end, when it
comes to debt and deficit, we still got to make
sure people have the basic needs.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
In this problence.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You're campaigning from the opposition side obviously, so if elected
to government, you wouldn't be the first opposition leader to
get a look at the books and realize you can't
actually cash in on some of the promises that you're making.
What's it going to be like if you can't carry
through some of the spending promises and that you have
to break the news to voters that there may be
cuts there, maybe restraint.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
And That's why it was so important for me when
I talked about the commitments that we've made so far,
to look at where the money was within the existing
budget framework, within the existing expenditure that we have in
our province right now. And I have pointed out several
instances where I believe that money could have been used better,
more wisely, and pointed them out all through the platform.
So that was the start to make sure we able
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to do that. We have a significant deficit in this province.
We all know that. But one of the things we
have to do. I can't stand up here before and
tell people the problems, you know, in a front of
a TV audience, Oh yeah, we're going to balance the
books in five years or ten years or or we
have a plan until you do what you just said,
we have to do. We have to get in there.
We have to find out exactly what the province's books
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looks like. And let's be honest, the Liberal Party has
not been you know, they've been fudging numbers. All you
have to do is look at the last budget when
they took five hundred million dollars of tobacco tax revenue
that we won't receive for another twenty years and put
it in this year the Auditor General call them out
on it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
That is PC leader Tony Wakem on what his platform
spending in the reality of being in government Coupee. You
also heard from Jim Dinn of the NDP and before
that Liberal John Hogan. They spoke to our friend Russell Bauers,
and thank you to Russell forgetting all of that audio
last night. Let's bring on our friend Zach power Zech
(10:04):
before you tell me about the dust up in Central Newfoundland,
which maybe is the most exciting thing that has happened.
Not that it's appropriate, I have to share this and
get you the question of the day on our website,
did the leader's debate affect the way you're planning to vote?
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And a whopping sixty six percent of people said no,
Well there you go, because I don't know how you
found it, but I found it to be a very
low energy affair, unlike what happened in Grandfalls Windsor. Tell
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us about that.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Yeah, and we know that there was a dual set
of forms that were happening in Grandfalls Windsor. One was
with the candidates for exploits and the other one was
with parts of Grandfalls, windsor Buckins, and this was going
on around the same time as the provincial leader's debate.
It was a little bit of odd timing, but it
all started with Chris Tibbs and Barry Manuel, the PC
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and Liberal candidates, exchanging over a meeting that the two had.
Tib said that something along the lines.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Of We're not going to take it anymore.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
Manuel then said, called the kettle black, and then accused
Tims of being in Alberta not doing his job during
a wildfire in twenty twenty three. And of course I'm
all paraphrasing this right now, and you know, we can't
really get to those clips at this moment, but tib
said that the municipal government was not building enough homes.
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Manual then responded with not once in the six years
did this MJ reach out to me. Manuel then stood
up and then claimed that the meetings had never happened
while Tibbs was at the podium, and so that's where
the two of them started calling each other dishonest over
what actually happened and when did they meet and how
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did they meet. So this of course was being streamed
on Rogers TV last night, and that's when You could
see the moderator trying to step in and you could
see him take off his earpiece, trying to get a
hold of these two candidates, both of them jarring at
each other on screen. You could see Barry Manual pointing
fingers and holding up some papers before the Rogers feet
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cuts away from that, they cut to a generic picture
and it was never seen.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Again for a little while.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
It cut back very briefly and you could see a
Rogers TV producer trying to interfere and intervene between the
two of them, telling them to break it up. It
was about ten minutes later before the debate continued again
as if nothing ever happened. There was a little bit
of talking from Barry Manual about why he was so
upset and whatever, and it really did start off with
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Barry saying, well, I didn't bring any notes, I didn't
really need any notes, and then Timbs was there reading
off of some notes.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
But then he kind of.
Speaker 6 (13:00):
Straight off the script a little bit. But there's clearly
some bad blood between the two of them.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Understatement of the day, perhaps, Zach, maybe a lesson for
both of them there, guys, you gotta have cool heads. Yeah,
it gives us some excitement to report. I'm not sure
how the public likes it. How did the two leaders
of the two respective candidates.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
React, Zach, Yeah, Well, we first heard from PC leader
Tony Wakem, who said that he never heard of it,
and he was inside a scrum, and then after a
couple of questions I finally got out and he said, well,
you know, I think that we should all respect each
other's personal space, but I believe that in the end,
this is not the approaches that we need, and it's
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about the bigger issues and what not. So very you know,
diplomatic answer, then we would to We heard from PC. Sorry,
we heard from Liberal leader John Hogan, who said that
he hadn't heard of it first. In our last nobody
in the bus ever told him anything, and this is
the first he's hearing that. It almost sounded like it
was the first he heard that even happened. The way
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he responded to those questions and the most that we
got out of him, he said, quote, I'm sure Barry
did a great job. He's one of our great candidates,
a former mayor, and I'm sure he did a great
job in the debate last night.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So tink of that?
Speaker 6 (14:20):
What you will, between the two saying that they've never
heard of it. Both of these politicians have been around
the block before, as you can imagine, Tim, So it's
not entirely surprising that we didn't get anything out of that.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, it sounds like they could roll around the block
with the fist flying if if they were asked to
do so, given that performance last night. All right back
to normal, Zach. What happened on the campaign trail today?
I know, start with the Liberals. They are expanding one
of the tax credits brought in previously for sport activity
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and wellness.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Yeah, and this is all part of I guess what
I'm calling election wind down. You know, somebody say that
it's election wind up, but I'm calling an election wind
down because this is We're at the trail end at
these announcements now, and we're going to start seeing less
and less of these big, splashy announcements. I guess you
could say. Well, they're saying that they're going to double
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the funding for the grants to the youth organizations totally
about five hundred and fifty thousand dollars. They're also going
to modify the physical tax credit to become the healthy
living tax and expand the eligibility beyond physical activity to
include programs like music, dance and whatnot. So that's what
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we heard from the Liberals the PCs. We're at Trades
and now where they continued their talks about the ferry system,
and he really harped on the Liberals for not wanting
to build a new facility and create what he calls
a new industry. I asked him today, I said, how
much is it going to cost to build this new industry?
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And he said that it is invaluable.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
That's the cost. And mister Din, what did mister Din do?
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Yeah, mister Din was doing a little bit of campaigning today,
a little bit of rallying with some of his volunteers
and his candidates. He was really looking in the rear
view mirror, pumping his tires on how well he thinks
he did in the debate. I'll leave how well he
actually did up to the listeners, because I'm sure everybody
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has a different opinion on how.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
He normally the case.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Yeah, and so he thought he did very well, and
that was his main focus today is looking back and
then talking about what the previous Liberals and the previous
PCs have done in past saying that it's his turn
to have a shot.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Well, there you go. We'll see and maybe I know
you're you're not You're off tomorrow. Maybe we'll have that
MQO poll tomorrow. Maybe that'll add some excitement to all
of this. But Zach, thank you. We'll get you back
on Tuesday. Hopefully you can enjoy the weekend with a
couple of Jays wins. Did you like that last night? Zach?
(17:08):
Did you like that last night? And at your Canadians loss? Open?
I know, I like the fact that the Jays won.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
You know what, it was a full night of TV.
I was glued from about seven to midnight on the TV,
so you know what, it was an all around goodnight.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Well, there you go. Well you have a good weekend.
Thank You've been awesome over the last four weeks. We'll
talk again on Tuesday. Appreciate it, my friend.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Thanks Tim.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
All Right, that is our Zach power and we've been lucky.
Zach's been with us just about every day to tell
you what is out there. I know, I know, I
know people may not like the election and frustrated with
it all, but look, our job is to share with
you what's out there so you can make the best
choice possible if you're going to make a choice. And
I encourage you to do all of that. And somebody
who made a choice was Kate Cannigan. She made a
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choice to put her hand up and she won. We're
going to talk to her when we come back here
on the Tim Power Show. Maybe six or seven months
ago was only an idea. The idea became a plan,
the plan became a reality. And now now she is
a city councilor or soon will be officially sworn in
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as one. Who's that? That is Kate Cadogan, one of
the newly elected councilor's counselor at large. Do I have
to call you a counselor Cadigan.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
You can call me Kate.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
There you go. That's good, good politics. Listen. I am
so pleased and happy for you. Clearly your mom is
because whether it's true or not, you according to your mum, Lynn,
And who am I to go against her or you
for that matter, are the youngest counselor ever elected to
city council. How does that feel? Not not just the age, Kate,
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but the fact you know, you went out and did it.
Anybody who's known you, and I've known you for a
little bit, la you're a determined, able, capable person. But
still there's lots of good people who put the hands
up and don't don't succeed. How did how did this all?
First of all, how do you feel today?
Speaker 8 (19:07):
I feel obviously, I feel great. You know, it's it's
an honor to be to be elected in the first place,
but certainly as the as the youngest counselor ever in
the city of Saint John's, you know, that's that's just
another layer of excitement for me. So it's certainly been
a pretty special twenty four hours and we're over the moon.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And how did you do it? I mean, it's not
easy when you're new. The look you've been involved and
in around politics, you've been well known to a lot
of people in political circles and outside. You are strong
voice and equal voice, and you've done other community leader
taken other community leadership positions. But still you had to
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go out, you had to knock on doors to get elected.
How did your success come about? How do you think
you won?
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Kate in the end, that's a that's a big question,
and I think you know We started almost six months
ago is when I publicly announced, and basically since then,
we've been knocking on doors, going to community events, talking
to residents in every corner of the city, really listening
to them and getting to know them and their concerns.
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You know, I went into this campaign with the mindset
of listening and learning so that I can be the
best representative possible, and I think that went a long
way when talking to residents.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, and tell us how important. Some people who aren't
involved in politics sometimes scoff at the notion, Oh, you
got to go knock on doors, and does that really
matter in this eighty age of social media. I mean
a lot of people do campaigning on social media, but
I think knocking on doors matters. Why does it matter, Kate? Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
It was.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
First of all, it was my favorite part of this
whole thing. I mean, social media, certainly, you know, is important,
and in the campaign it was important, but nothing can replace,
you know, a face to face interaction with someone on
their doorstep. You hearing directly from somebody you know, their
their worries, their concerns, their hopes and their dreams. That's
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the best way to do it. And I, you know,
throughout the past five months, we saw that firsthand, right,
You can build build trust that way when you're speaking
directly to people, and it's you know, we need to
keep it up even when you are elected. Making sure
you have that face time with residents is really important.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
So what happens next? When do you officially get sworn in?
What does it mean in terms of other aspects of
your life? Tell us a little bit about what you
are expecting through the course of transition here.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
Yeah, so the next week is going to be exciting.
The new council will be sworn in next week, which
will be fabulous, and I'm really looking forward to that.
For me, you know, I'm ready to get to work.
I am a recent graduate of Memorial and I spent
the past five months doing this and this was my plan.
So I'm really looking forward to diving in headfirst and
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of course learning a bunch. I'm sure there will be
lots of learning in the for the first little while
on how I can best serve as counselor at large
and really put my all into it. And that's certainly
my main priority right now, and it's exciting.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Just before I let you go, and you've always led
on giving messages to your peers and others. But now
that you're elected, obviously you haven't served yet, and you
will have a different a view after you've served about
what the first term of serving has been like. But
what do you say to young people who are out there?
And maybe there's a young Kake Caddigan in the audience
who's saying, Hey, I think I want to try this too,
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and maybe when the next chance to put my hand
up municipally, federally, provincially comes, I'm going to do what cheated?
What do you say to them?
Speaker 8 (23:00):
I would encourage them to do it. I mean, this
has been amazing experience so far. The campaign was a
great experience. And I know at the beginning, I you know,
considered like is this too wild? Is this too big
of a dream? And you know, we can often get
in our own heads when it comes to these kinds
of things. But you know you're successful for even putting
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your name forward. And our province is lucky enough to
have several young counselors who have been re elected or
elected for the first time this week, so you know
it is possible. And the experience you gain along the
way and role models and mentorship. All that is, you know,
it's hard to find anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Indeed, indeed it isn't. But thank you for putting your
hand up. I think it's just great to see new, smart,
able young people like you who want to lead and
want to shape our future. Congratulations, proud of you. Tell
your mother I'll buy her history lesson for now until
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I prove otherwise.
Speaker 8 (24:05):
All right, Ah, thank you so much. Tim, have a
good one.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Take care. That is new counselor Kate Cadigan counselor Arch
City of Saint John's. Congratulations to her and everybody. Those
who won, those who put their hand up, all very important.
As Kate herself said, when we come back, we're going
to talk to our friend Paul Walsh at the Autism Society.
We spoke to Paul when Donald Trump was making his
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ill informed musings about tilan All and autism. Paul put
out a survey to the party leaders to get some
feedback on where they were on issues important to the
Autism Society. We'll hear what Paul found out in a
moment here on the Tim Power Show. We were lucky
enough to have Paul walshawan a couple of weeks ago
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when there was the silly controversy of whether or not
Tiler and All contributed to autism. We've got Paul back
with us today to talk about a letter the Autism
Society of Newfoundland and Laborator sent to each of the
parties asking for their positions and a number of issues. Paul,
good to have you. Glad we're talking about something real
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and substantive today. Tell us about the letter, what you
asked and what you heard.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
Okay, So thanks for the opportunity, Tim, I do appreciate it,
as you say, talking about something real. So on the
sixteenth of September, to give them lots of time, we
sent a letter to each of the party leaders and
we asked them about key issues that they relate to
our community. Because while as and L is about listening
to the voice of community, we are also trying to
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help inform that voice. So it's an election we want
to make sure that people are informed. So we asked
about student sports services and schools because it continues to
be a problem in terms of ensuring the rights of
students in school. We asked about inclusive education, professionalizing rest
but very big one eliminating way times around diagnostics. So
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if you have a child that developmental pednutrition, let's say,
or someone had says said, you know you should be
we're going to refer you for an assessment to determine
if your child has autism in the Matro area. Right now,
based on the numbers the health services people give me,
you're looking at about thirty three months wait, which is
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a long time, especially when the Autism Action Plan, which
we've also talked about the need to update, says it
should be six So we've talked about those things spanning
really also right services throughout the lifespan, because there's adults
with autism and now increasingly seniors with autism. So we
ask them their position on those things, including the importance
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of understanding the value of work done by community groups
in general, the fact that we're doing work that otherwise
would follow in the public system at a much greater cost,
and ensuring that those MINDI groups are supported to do
that work.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
So what did you get in terms of responses? You
get thoughtful responses, quick responses, a mixture of all of this.
I know, all of the responses just for the audience's
purpose or on your Facebook page, I believe how would
you summarize them. Did you get the kind of answers
or direction you were looking for that may help inform
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people for whom we're addressing the issues that you've raised
are important.
Speaker 9 (27:31):
Well, first of all, I want to thank of each
of the parties for taking the time to respond, because
I know how busy they are right now. You know
what this is like in the political world, how busy
a time it is, so I do really appreciate the
time and response, and not surprisingly because of the how
busy they are, more or less got really general responses
that say, here, you understand you, we need to talk
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after the election, and that's fair. I don't I'm not
being critical of that in any way. So when we
got that back, we said, you know, we're not we
want to inform a community of this is how the
parties responded. We don't want to editorialize it, so we didn't.
We just said here's what we asked, here's what they responded,
and we put them out and let people decide for themselves.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I wonder, Paul is not to be overly critical of
the parties. As you say, they're getting lots of groups
like yours whose issues are important. Ask them questions and
they're responding. But I do wonder when it comes to
the discussion around autism from people who aren't directly connected
to it or with it, that sometimes you do get
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that passing, well meaning comment that can be a little frustrating.
I'm gathering again, I'm not picking on any political party here.
I think human beings do the same thing. But is
that more common than not? People will say, oh, that's terrible,
I wish I could do something, or here's what I
would do. Tell us a little bit about that, certainly, And.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
I think that that happens, you know, with the autistic community,
happens with the disability community in general. And you and
I know each other. You know, I have a physical disability,
so you know, I've been around the whole disability advocacy
peace will call it, for a bunch of years with
some wonderful people, some of whom I know, you know,
like people like Nancy Reed and others. And you know,
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there's a lot of that yeah, we hear you, we'll
talk to you later kind of thing. And I realize,
you know, you realize, well, you know, we're a small part.
But when you think about it, if the greater thing
the Greater disabled community is thirty one percent of the population.
Now politically, speaking to him, we don't vote together, so
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we're not we're not going to all vote the same.
So it all breaks down into different disabilities. And if
you know anything about disability, and I know you do,
there's so many different things, right, you know, for me
to you know, I'm physically disabled, somebody else's autistics, somebody
else get an intellectual disability, and so on, in sight, hearing, whatever,
So everybody's needs are different. But so it's frustrating because
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you know where I sit, you get to see the need.
You know, I've got a parent who's just been told
they need to send their child for an assessment and
they're waiting three and a half years. I've got parents
who are in their seventies who have cared for an
individual their whole lives, who are now who's now in
say forties or fifties, and they're wondering what happens to
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my child when I pass on, And I can't give
them a good answer because those you know, those answers
aren't there. So that gets really frustrated. There's no question
about that. But again, I do appreciate the position that
you know, you articulated it very well. We're not the
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only organization that sent them a letter. Everybody's publishing their
letters now, so there's a lot of pressure on them
to respond in a very short four week period.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
The last thing for you, I mean, we've hurt so
many promises this election campaign, and that's what happens in elections.
Parties make promises, they hope the public look at them
or don't look at them, and they decide whatever way
they decide. When this election is all said and done,
you know what are you hoping whomever the government is
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will do when it comes to the issues you have raised.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
My hope is that for the autistic community in particular,
and just in the disability community in general, that whomever
is in power understands the voice of lived experience. So
that we talked about the Autism Action Plan, so it
was a three year plan that's like seven years old.
We need a whole revised plan that I call it
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the Autism Implementation Plan. So we need to take those
goals that you can tick boxes on and actually say
how are we going to implement them? But that plan
doesn't need to be written by they'll service us both
fo no disrespect to them or the government policy folks,
no disrespect to them. The people sitting at the table
writing in that have to be autistic. They have to
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have the lived experience to be able to look at it.
What that lends if whomever gets in can understand that
without lived experience, not consultation, because the disability community's expertise
has been tasked for free for far too long. And
if we hired a consultant because of their expertise, we
paid them a fortune. But if you're disabled, you have
to do it for free. That's got to stop. And
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we need to say these are the people that know
what's going on. These are the subject matter experts. Let's
get them to do the work and sit down with
us and do it and not just so to say,
so what do you think afterwards?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Great answer. I think you're banging on one. Paul. Thank you,
Thank you always for your time. We'll make sure we
keep covering this story and the work of the Autism
Society of New for LANDA Labrador, thank you, my friend.
Speaker 9 (32:57):
Appreciate it very much. Appreciate everything in b OCM does
to help us publicize our message.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Take care all right? That is that is Paul Walsh.
Happy that Paul was able to join us. You heard
about what the Autism Society of Newfoundland and Labrador was
asking of party leaders. Well, there's another group that's engaging people,
getting younger people to participate in the democratic process, albeit
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not in an official capacity, but in a capacity that
allows them to learn. That group is Civixed and Student
Vote is their program. It's a program of Civic Civic.
Civic is a non partisan, registered Canadian charity dedicated to
strengthening democratic democracy through civic education. CIVICS programming focuses on elections,
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government budgets, elected representatives, and digital media literacy. And this
year they have a student Vote program for the twenty
twenty five Newfoundland and the Labrador provincial election fifteen thousand
future voters. I've had the pleasure in the past of
speaking to this group and many of their leaders, and
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I am delighted today that we have Lindsay Mazco, the
CEO of Civics. Lindsay, how are you?
Speaker 10 (34:17):
I'm great, Thanks Tim, thanks so much for having us.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Delighted to have it. You guys do such great work.
I mean, some of the people you put on your
board now You have some very good friends of mine
on your board, and they're awesome and they love what
they do. Tell us about the program for Newfoundland and
Labrador during the course of this election, lindsay.
Speaker 10 (34:36):
Sure, well, just to break it down, so she Vote
is a civic education program that provides students with an
opportunity to experience the voting process firsthand. And as you said,
it runs in parallel to re elections, and students learn
about government and the electoral process. They research the parties
and the issues and the platforms, and then they cast
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a ballot for the local candidates running and electoral district.
And then we take those results and we share them
publicly after the polls close on election nights. And really
the goal is to try to make civics education engaging
and meaningful by connecting it to real events.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeckause, often for students, you don't really have much of
an electoral experience. You may have some student council elections,
you may have elections for class president, and they're often
about who's better known, and maybe they're promising an extra
half day off that they can't really get you. Having
been a class president twice, I can tell you that
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might have been a promise that worked and I never
lived up to a terrible of me. But Lindsey, I
know from your group you really get because you need it,
the buying of teachers. When I've spoken to your groups,
it's been with teachers there tell us how important this
is for the teachers to have this ability to run
a program like this.
Speaker 10 (35:56):
Oh, we are so grateful for all of the teachers
that you know, take this on and really champion democracy
in their schools in the lines of the curriculum, but
you know it's extra as well, and so we're so
appreciative of all the teachers that do take the time
to run the program and engage their students in the election.
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And as you said, we've done lots of training events
with teachers over the years to try to inspire them
and build their commitment to the program and build their
capacity as well. But we've got one hundred and forty
eight schools registered from throughout the province and so we've
got i would imagine over four hundred teachers are so
involved in the campaign, which is amazing.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
And you try and simulate what we the voters over
eighteen go through. You've got ballot boxes and voting screens.
Tell us about why that's important too, for sure.
Speaker 10 (36:51):
So it's really important that we try to make it
as authentic as possible. So on election day, you know,
students take on the roles of poll workers and they
use the materials that look quite identical to the adult
process as well, the voting screens and ballot boxes, and
they take it really seriously. And you know, many are
actually really surprised when they go into a real polling
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station to see how close it looked at their school.
And that's really important so that they build the confidence
to vote in the future.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
And you give them educational materials, So tell us a
little bit about the materials they get and what they
speak to.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
Sure, so schools get free learning resources, they get lesson
plans about democracy, levels of government. Uh, you know, the
election process in the Labrador, how to research the candidates,
the voting process. It covers a wide variety of issues,
our sorry topics, and there's elementary and high school versions
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of those. We also have, you know, a variety of
videos that they can use to help introduce concepts. And
this year too, we also did a video Q and
A with the party leaders.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
So we oh, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
Yeah, we invite the students to sendit questions for the
party leaders and we selected five and showed them with
the campaigns and they're on our website so anyone can
see them. And it's a really great resource because students,
you know, appreciate that the leaders are talking directly to
them about the issues that they hear about, and they
use that to help them inform how they're going to
vote on student vot days.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
And have you been able to do any research, Lindsy
on how these programs may help drive the democratic engagement
of the people you connect with the students and the
teachers afterwards. I mean, I get the sense that it
is a reinforcing thing, but do you have any data
that tells us what happens afterwards? You know, I guess
(38:48):
we could look at participation numbers, turn out numbers and
see what they are among young people. Certainly right now
among young people, we're seeing a greater engagement, it seems
at the federal level.
Speaker 10 (38:58):
What can you tell, Yeah, so we've done a lot
of independent evaluations over the years in collaborational elections Canada actually,
and so what we've found is, you know, they've kind
of built this kind of profile of a young voter,
and that young voter has you know, higher levels of
political knowledge, a greater sense of voting is a civic
duty right, higher political interests. They interacted with candidates growing up,
(39:23):
and they discussed politics at home. And so what we've
found through our program is that we are build we're
building those characteristics as future voters, and so you know,
it shows that they're more likely to vote later on
in life. I mean, we all know that there's lots
of factors that go into voting, but at least we're
reducing those barriers for why you know, often young people
(39:45):
don't vote. You know, it's that they're not comfortable with
the process, or they're not interested, or they don't see
that it matters. And so I think we're really tackling
those issues through the program. There's a lot of research
that shows that you know, the habit of voting is
voting is a habit, sorry, and so you know, the
earlier that we can get them into the habit, the better,
and hopefully we're creating lifelong voters.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, so true. Last one for you, Look, you're a
non partisan registered Canadian charity. If there's a teacher listening
If there is somebody who says this is great and
I want to help, what can they do?
Speaker 10 (40:20):
They can just reach out to us. Our website is
civics dot ca A and we're always looking for teachers
who've got a wide arrity of programs, as you said
off the top, to engage you know, during elections, in
between elections and everything is free and we're so grateful
to be working with Elections an Labrador for this election
as well as the Government of Canada.
Speaker 7 (40:40):
So yeah's be in touch.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Well, appreciate that. Great to have you on. Say hello
to Dan for me. He's a worker, beee of of
significant order in your sphere. Appreciate the time, Lindsay, take.
Speaker 10 (40:53):
Care, Thank you so much.
Speaker 9 (40:54):
Tim all right, take you good.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
To talk to you. That is Lindsay Mazacochi is the
CEO of Civics and they are running student vote in
one hundred and forty eight schools across the province. That
is fantastic. When we come back, something a little more
direct and practical for many of you. It's Circular Economy Month.
Something else I didn't know. We're going to talk to
(41:17):
Shelley Party about that and a workshop they're having back
with that in a moment here on The Tim Power Show.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
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four pm on your VOCM.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
You ever look around your house and you see, jeez,
why do I have that? Or why haven't I used that?
What can I do with it? All? Well? I think
we might learn some things now, which is great because
Lord knows I need the tips. It is Circular Economy Month.
What is that? And what is the virtual workshop? And
(41:51):
saving money in the environment? It starts at home. Well,
Shelley Party is going to tell us all about. Shelley
is a supervisor the Waste of Waste version in the
City of Saint John's. Shelley, good to have you, boy.
I need all this. I'm a mess, So help me, Shelley,
help me. Help me. First of all, tell me what
(42:13):
a circular economy is.
Speaker 7 (42:15):
Please, yes, okay. So our traditional economy is say a
take make waste. We've taken from the earth, We've made
something with it, and then once we're finished, we throw
it away or whatever's left. A circular economy. Between take,
make waste and circular economy. We all know about the
(42:35):
three earths, reduce, reuse, recycle if they're in that order,
because that's the most important thing. Reduce what you use
and reuse what you have, and then recycle is still valuable,
but it is sort of the lowest thing that you
can do. So a circular economy kind of takes those
three earths and adds a bunch more ers. And you
(42:57):
may have heard of refuse, redistribute, furbish, lots of different words,
all really falling on the reducer user cycle. So it's
instead of the lineary economy of take make waste. Instead
we have this circle of where very little, if any
waste comes out and it is all somehow reincorporated and used. Again.
(43:17):
Compost is a really good example of a small circular economy.
You have your fruits and vegetables that maybe you've grown
in your garden or some farmers grown in a garden.
You then take those peelings maybe backyard compost them. Then
the next year you have a compost of put in
your garden to grow your vegetables or whatnot. So again
there's no waste with that, right, it's all in the circle,
(43:38):
and the nutrient it's all stay in the system. So
the city of Saint John likes to celebrate this because
we are diverting lengths and recycling, but it's about much
more than just recycling.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Well, I'm going to add another R though it's really
in A and throwing the word useless in front of it.
I'm generally a useless erse if it sounds like an our,
but it's really an a when it comes to all
of this stuff. How tell us about the workshop saving
money in the environment and how people like me who
hear what you're saying, who fully understand what you're saying,
(44:12):
but are just like, oh my god, I got to
organize all this crap and I got to get it
in the compost heap, and I can use this again.
Will the workshop help me and help others who are
a bit like me make things easier and at the
same time live up to those three hours.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
What these workshops are is it is a participatory workshop
where there are guidelines and hints and tips and suggestions.
Then also participants can learn from each other, and they
are also really aimed at not being a champion of
waste diversion or whatever. It really is about doing what
(44:51):
fits in your lifestyle, easy little steps, maybe doing a
few small things at a time. Don't overwhelm yourself because
that's not helpful to any of us. So for locally,
if you want to learn about your waste and how
to divert some of it, the curb at Saint john
website or app curbet Saint John's has lots of good
(45:14):
information in there, and of course you can also look
up your waist curbside waist pick up schedule and lots
of good information if you have questions about that stuff.
But these workshops really are just to learn from each other,
learn some hints and tips, but then maybe share some
of your ideas or that of what could have done well.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
I'd be a total distraction on the virtual meeting. I'd
probably be arguing everything, which you don't. You don't need
me in the virtual workshop. But so it is Thursday.
Just give us the details show So anybody who's listening
and wants to participate camp, yes, for sure.
Speaker 7 (45:50):
So the workshop takes place. It's online, It's a virtual
or online workshop. It takes place next Thursday, October the sixteenth,
from noon or twelve pm to one thirty pm. The
workshop itself is the best an hour and then we
have a half an hour for if there's discussion or
anything like that, and anyone who does sign up, So
we have a bunch of people signed up so far.
(46:12):
You can go to our website curb at Saint John's
dot CA. There should be a button right there on
the front page about the circular economy in the workshop.
You click that and then within there there's another link
to click to register for the workshop. It's really simple
to register and we want as many people to sign
up and take part because this will be valuable to everyone. Also,
(46:33):
we are having a door prize for those people who
signed up and showed up to the workshop. One door
prize will be randomly drawn for a year's supply of
blue recycling bags and clear garbage bag.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Actually that's a really good prize because those things are
in cheap. What a great idea, Shelly. Great to have
you on. Thank you for tolerating my low brow humor
and lack of knowledge, but appreciate what you are actually doing.
It makes a difference.
Speaker 7 (47:00):
Thank you, Thank you so much. Him, I really appreciate
your work as well.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
All right. That is Shelley Party and Shelley is the
supervisor of Waste Diversion City of Saint John's and my
commentary aside, sounds pretty interesting. I'm glad I learned about
the circular economy. Thank you for listening today. Thank you
to Claudette, Thank you to Zach and Russell. Back tomorrow
with more of the Tim Power Show.
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