October 3, 2024 • 45 mins
Welcome back to the Vikings Tailgate presented by Ticketmaster - The official ticket marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings. We're heading across the pond to take on the New York Jets and diehard fan Kevin Clancy of Barstool Sports (@kfcbarstool) joins the show to help break it all down. Kevin reflects on the Aaron Rodgers experience, the NY media beast, the resurgence of Sam Darnold, the Karl Anthony-Towns trade in the NBA, and the repeated history of suffering as a Jets, Mets, and Knicks fan. Grab some tea or a pint and enjoy today's episode of The Vikings Tailgate presented by Ticketmaster - The official ticket marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings.
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Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the Vikings Tailgate,
brought to you by Ticketmaster, the official ticket marketplace of
the Minnesota Vikings. To me, your host, si Onminson and
your four and zero Minnesota Vikings are headed to London
to take on an old enemy and Aaron Rodgers and
the Jets. The Jets, the Jets, the Jets. Guys, we
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got a killer guests this week. To help us break
it all down. We brought in one of the biggest
Jets fans we know. Uh. He is the host of
the wildly popular KFC Radio. You can find him on
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member of the barstool staff. Ladies and gentlemen. Kevin Clancy
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is going to join us to talk about Sam Darnold,
to talk about the weird, Aaron Rodgers, Jets history, Vikings history,
and we even get into a little Carl Anthony Towns,
Nick's Timberwolve's talk. This one was a ton of fun.
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Hey man, thank you for joining the show.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
What's up, dude, Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
This is a weird emotional week. I think for fans.
If four years ago you'd have said, hey man, you're
gonna be playing in London, Aaron Rodgers is gonna be
on the Jets. You still hate him, He's gonna be
on the Jets. You're gonna have this weird start even
though you're starting Sam Darnold. Like I think, all the
energy around it is pretty it's almost like the Back
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to the Future Biff timeline, Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It's like a script?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Man. I mean, I feel like I I never know.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I'd like to walk a mile in a few.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Different fan base his shoes, because sometimes being the loser
side of New York the Mets, Jets, Nicks Islanders, it
feels like not only are we always losing, but it's
always dramatic and always like the guy that we traded
is the one who came back to hit the home
run against us, or you know, the coach we bet
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we missed on went on to coach this team to
blah blah, And it's like, how do these Does this
happen to everybody?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Or is it really just me? Or like it can't
always be this dramatic for everyone, is it? But uh so,
I never know.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I'd love to, like, you know, see how how other
people perceive it, But lord, I know that I'm always like,
I don't know. I feel like my sports life has
taken twenty years off my actual life just because of
how much I put into it and how much I
don't get out of it no matter what we seem
to do.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'm fascinated with fan basis psychology too, and I think
ours are so different. But the one place where that
Venn diagram you know, crosses over is neither of us
have won anything in forever and what that does to
your brain and how that makes you perceive every moment
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for us. I said this on a show a couple
of weeks ago. Vikings like to act like they're Charlie
Brown about to kick the football and get like that's
who they pretend they are, and like that, the giving
up like oh, I've got no chance. But every time
that you give them a morsel of hope, like this
Sam Donald thing. I mean, we had people wearing astronaut
costumes to games after two Dobbs performances last year. You
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give this team hope. Yeah, I'm telling you that Sam
Donald has the coolest path to a statue you could
ever imagine if he takes.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
You know, it is what do they say in Shawshank,
You know, hope is one of the most powerful things.
I think hope is one of the worst things, because
that's you know, I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Being in a city where the other half has won
countless World Series and Super Bowls makes the New York
experience pretty unique, and I think it's one that almost
gives us the edge over you know, who has the
worst sports life, because I you know, if if a team,
if a city that just has one set of teams loses,
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you all lose together. You all go to work together miserable,
you're all happy together with it goes well in New York.
It's like everywhere I go when I was a kid
in school, when I'm at the office, people that I'm
dating just my friend group, like there's always one half
or really more like you know, seventy five percent just
laughing at you and getting on you. And so I
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always make that argument. But there's one fan base when
I usually shut my mouth, and it's Minnesota fans because
you guys have had it pretty tough. There's a couple
things in Pittsburgh and Minnesota's up there for like, I
respect you. You're in the trenches with us. It's a tough,
tough existence.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And there's a secret hidden part that people who aren't
from here, like we actually have that because no one
wants to live in Wisconsin. Yeah, so, and the Twin
Cities are right on the border. So you you do
go to work and you see.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
You do get that that hackers, Oh god, you're just
the worst person, the worst person at your office, just
sitting there with that fat breeze smile on their face.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's just it's just terrible. Yeah, So not a lot
of people recognize that, But yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I would have thought that you guys were all kind
of in the same boat together. So if you can,
if you can understand that side of it, you might
be up there for for worst ever because lord knows,
you know, you've lost just as many games as we
have and in everything. I also, I think in recent
years I used to have a theory about sports that
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there are certain teams that just are not gonna win,
just like they're never gonna do it. And in recent
years it's kind of started to crumble. I wonder if
that's just because of how money has changed, you know,
revenue sharing and all that.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Big cities, little cities.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
But I used to walk around being like, you know,
like the Sacramento Kings are just never going to win
the title because they're the Sacramento Kings, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But then like the Bucks come along and win it,
you know.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
And and I think about like football, where it's like,
to me, there used to be certain teams, you're just
never gonna win it because of who your.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Name is and what your what your reputation is. And
but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Then I start to see these, you know, certain teams
pull it out, and it's like, all right, maybe maybe
there is hope.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I don't know the other thing that I think is
interesting about that because I do think you're right. I
think sports are so entrenched in history and narrative building
and all these things that like and your fan base
is another great example of this, a couple of flicks
of the ball a different direction. And like the Vikings
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are in four Super Bowls. If they win three of those,
they are not. They are spoken about because of how
old of an organization they are and all the titles
they won before the merger. They are the Cowboys, the
Packers or Sailors. And you guys, had you had any
sort of like, look, the Packers are a great example.
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They win early, they're horrific forever. Then they win one
with farv and one with Rogers. If you guys that
have somehow pulled one out in the eighties and nineties
and one out in the two thousands, I think purely
because of the name thing, and how big of a
deal that was from a narrative standpoint. I think that's
how close you guys are to also being a team
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that is spoken about in a different historical way.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Well, that run the Sanchez years with the back to
back AFC championships, where that's kind of become a joke
in New York because for so long we were like
back to back AAFC championships, man back to back AAFC championships,
you know, and then it was like ten years removed
from that, and it was like, you can't be talking
about almost making it, you know, ten years ago. But
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those you know, those are things like that game against
the Steelers that they lost, they should have won, and
then they would have even just making it changes it
changes the narrative.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's like because people respect getting there. I think once
you get there, you know, you look at the Patriots,
like even the big bad Patriots dynasty lost a bunch
because once you get there, the game just breaks.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
However, getting there is its own little.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Badge of honor and uh, and it makes all the difference.
And I see what you're saying. But at the same time,
also it's like there's also this feeling to me of
like just institutionalized losing, where yeah, a couple of balls
break here or there, but for the most part, how
how am I in the same.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Boat every year?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Like, Yeah, the coach didn't work out, the quarterback didn't
work out, the penalties are still happening, the holdouts are
still happening, the injuries are still happening.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's like sometimes it feels like, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
It's almost like a weird sports purgatory that somebody hilariously
trying to pack you in.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, it's sports.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Is the closest I get to believing in, you know, superstitions, karma,
black magic, all that sort of stuff. And what I
really usually end up coming to the realization is it's
none of that.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
It's your ownership.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
It's it's you know, because you change, you change your
your gms, you change your man your coaches, change your players.
The one thing at the top that always stays the
same has a big being to do with what goes.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
On, you know, Speaking of things that our audience is
I'm tired of hearing me talk about. I go back
to Eddie de Bartelow and the forty nine ers and
the fact that they he treated his players and his
organizations in his organization in a certain way, and then
Robert Kraft learns from him. I'm exactly with you. I
don't think it's an accident when team are perennially relevant,
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maybe not even competitive, But like, I don't think it's
an accident that the Steelers are Steelers kind of always
hanging around. They like everybody goes well, they only had
these many coaches. It's yeah, because their ownership in a
healthy way values consistency. That is the thing we finally
have in Minnesota with the Wolfs. Is like, because that's
hard to say as a sports fan, and I know
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we've felt it with some of the teams. I know
you have, but to be able to sit there and go, oh,
I think they elevate winning a title next to all
the other stuff that matters and running a business. And
they are the sort of owners who recognize if we
do win a title, all that other goes through the room.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
That's so crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
It's like you're worried about money and tickets and reputation.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And like whatever else, and winning cares all of that. Man.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
And I don't know what it is, but it's like
you just keep picking the wrong coach, you know, like
you just keep picking the wrong GM although you know,
like there's always little glimmers of hope, and right now
you feel like maybe there is one. But it's like, oh,
you can't fire an owner, man, like get stuck with them.
It's just we want I'm doing it with the Mets
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right now.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
In baseball.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
It's like we had the Willponds were our owners in baseball,
and they were the worst. They're the absolute worst ever
for a big market team. They were so terrible. And
as soon as they're gone and a guy who steps
in with a bunch of money who cares a lot,
everything changed.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
You know, all of a sudden, you guys are having
the most fun final game of the season you could
possibly imagine.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I'm just getting ripped in both directions that on Sunday.
On Sunday, Mets had a chance. If they won and
the Diamonbacks lost, it was over. And I was all
coinciding exactly with the fourth quarter of the Jets game.
And I'm just so down about the Jets. I feel
like I time traveled, like we got such a good
taste of the good Rogers and we beat the Patriots
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on Prime time, like something, I not only beat them,
stomped them, something I never never even considered as a
possibility because I mean, we've.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Lost eighteen out of twenty to them.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
They always beat us Monday night football, the butt fumble,
the you know, they scored like thirty points in like
three minutes on us once like all of the worst
moments ever, and we turned the tables and I'm like,
oh my god, like it's finally changed. And then you
come in against the Broncos and do like same old
Jets while the Mets have to go through the doubleheader,
and I was just like, Nope, it's.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I thought the sports gods.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Maybe had changed for a second, but I think I'm
in the same boat that I'm always in.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So how do you at this point watching what's happening
in Minnesota, Like, what is the Darnald experience like for
you someone who has been that invested into Jets, Like,
how do you?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I'm so happy for that dude.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I think he is a great reminder that, first of all,
careers can be long and you can't necessarily give up
on certain people. And secondly, I think it is insane
the way we treat rookie quarterbacks on the whole, in
the league, in what.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Other what other profession job?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, are you expected to step into the absolute hardest
role in all of sports? To me, like hands down
most important and most difficult as a twenty two year
old and just go for every yes, for every one,
Patrick Mahomes, there's a dozen.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Failures, you know, you know, especially with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I look at Gino in Seattle and Sam and Minnesota,
and it's like, these are two guys that were talented
enough on a very literal sense on the field, didn't
have a good offensive line, didn't have good weapons, didn't
have good coaching, had atrocious atrocious play calling, had a
terrible locker room situation. Literally, Gino Smith going through fistfights
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and broken jaws like absolute madness.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Of course he's not going to succeed.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
It's it's it's it's impossible when everything is set in place,
let alone when you're fighting an uphill battle and the
team is like actively working against you.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
And and Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Is a good example of a change of scenery where
like I was, I was a big fan of his,
I was a little skewed he like we knew him
a little bit through barstool I wanted him to succeed,
you know, a little bit of rose colored glasses with him.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
But it got to the point where as a.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Fan, especially one on a show or on social media,
who you know, keeps it pretty honest and real, I
had to say, like, it's done.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
It's just not it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And in that moment, I did think it's probably done
for him period, But he was I think he probably
played it perfectly where he didn't have ego, he was
willing to go be a backup, willing to go to
a couple other franchises. Let me just kind of stick
around here and and you know, claw my way back.
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And then you're twenty, you know, late twenties, bigger, smarter,
find the right place, and it's like, oh, I can
do this. You know, I have all the weapons or
I have an offensive line. Like of course that makes
a big difference. But sometimes you know, once it once
it fails the way it failed in New York, to
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be honest, once I see ghosts, I'm seeing ghosts happened,
it was like.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
It's just over.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Like the fan base, the media, we're all gonna you know,
the media is a big part of trying to succeed
in New York.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
They just hammer you relentlessly.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
You were just gonna constantly have to play against the
Patriots forever in that division. A million reasons why it
was just never gonna work in New York, and I
wasn't sure if it was ever going to pan out anywhere.
And I'm happy to see that it is happening, because
you know, so many other people would flame out in
that spot, give up in that spot, and you know,
to keep your ego in check and keep working, or like,
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you know, you'd get out of shape, you'd stop caring,
you'd lose the the the mentality. Like the fact that
he's here and doing it now, you know, tip my
cap to him. It was, you know, never going to
happen here. I wish like we could have just stuck
it out and and had this happen. But I just
don't think think it needed to go somewhere else. I
kind of think that about like I can't believe the
Giants are still doing it with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
It's like, how many years are you going to give
this guy?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
I think the worst thing that happened to him was
that one playoff game, because you just you feel like
you owe him. And I feel like that's almost an
example of a good family of ownership gone wrong, where
the marriages are so loyal and want to be like
the Steelers in a way. But you got to cut
ties at some point. And maybe Daniel Jones will go
somewhere else and do it. But I just feel like
at some point you got know, wing to cut ties
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in your current situation. But I'm happy for him, man,
I hope you guys like him.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I think most of the fans, if not every single fan,
is pretty insanely on board at this point. But to me,
what it is, you know, we went through the Kirk
Cousins experience and this is like, no, this isn't even
commentary on him. But I think this interesting thing happens
is when you are the face of a franchise, right,
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which is often what you're you know, you're talking about
the pressure, the heap on these rookie quarterbacks, like that's
part of it New York like insanity. So but you
bring a guy like Kirkin, who Kirk is a very
good thrower of the football. He's a very good quarterback,
and you know, if you step back from it, it's
kind of hard to argue he has one of the
more interesting kind of stories without being dramatic or being
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but like you go, RG three is this high pick.
He has one of the greatest rookie seasons we ever see, right,
and then he's hurt and then comes Kirk, and and
then they want Kirk, but they don't want Kirk, and
he gets you know, optioned in the way that we've
never seen before, signs the first guaranteed, signs another one,
and then you have the prime time stuff like and
all the narratives about him. It's just a He's a
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really interesting story and when you when you bring that
to a team, all of it comes with And I
think everybody here was completely behind him. Like I'm only
speaking on a from a fan based standpoint, right, you
had you had, you had people who were behind him.
But I think it takes a lot to support somebody
like that. And I think one of the things that
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Sam Donald is benefiting from is Kirk carried a lot
of expectations and he carried a lot of burden and
weight because of who he is and what he made
and what people expected him. And Sam Donald just kind
of got to walk in as like a guy.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, the expectations be everything. Man, I'm just a guy.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I'm just a guy with a giant arm.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah yeah, I mean I just I just googled it
while you were talking.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Like when and he when Kirk Cousins is done with
this latest contract, he will have made four hundred and
eleven million dollars four hundred and eleven And it just
goes to show how important that position is. And if
you can throw the football and be a professional quarterback
at all, you will make a boatload. But what do
you have to show for four hundred million dollars and
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and that that type of money and that type of story.
You're right, It's just like anybody who comes in and
just plays okay, is gonna get you know.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
The let alone, like just slaughtering it. Because what I've
noticed with him is a little bit of this, like
I don't want to say FARV because that's you know,
football sacrilege. He's got a little bit of that. Like
every once in a while he progresses, he progresses, there's
a checkdown and he's like, I'm gonna just put it.
I'm gonna put it down the field. Is that new?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I mean again, it was so hard to tell because
he was on his back half the time and didn't
have many weapons, and you know, I'm seeing ghosts. Things
kind of like solidified it where it was like I
don't know if he's going through all his progressions and
I don't know if he has the confidence to throw
it downfield.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, and I don't know if he has the right
oc because.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
You know, we're running the ball all the time and
you know, just just conservative, loser type play calling. There
was always even with all of his quarterbacks, with the Geno's,
with the Donald, even with Zach Wilson, there was always
like a throw or a drive where we would get
all excited. He threw like one pass that was thirty
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yards down the field, back shoulder perfectly.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Maybe he's the guy, and it's like bro, that was
one mass.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I mean I remember even with Zach Wilson the Chiefs
game that they lost but they got robbed and they
almost beat Mahomes and that was like the last flicker
of hope, like maybe Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
He kind of won the It was like it was
like Gladiator.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
He like won the crowd, you know, but then you
just go back to playing like the way these guys
were playing and what I don't think it really was
like that.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
There was flashes. There's always flashes.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
It's funny, there's a New Ye There's there's always a
New York Daily News cover. They did it for Sanchez,
they did it for Gino, and I think they did
it for Donald definitely, two, maybe three. A Star Is
Born was the headline. All of these guys always had
one game. It was Sanchez, Gino, and maybe one other. Yeah,
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Sanchez was kind of like, I mean, he was like
doing it in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, there's there's an argument to be made that you.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Could have run that with saying yeah, yeah, I mean,
you know, he beat he won.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
At that point, he had the most playoff road winds
ever with the four wins.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
He had Beaten Brady, he had Beaten Manning, he had beaten.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Phil Rivers, he almost beat Roethlisberger, and then Gino had
like one big game and it was like they just kept
running this Star as Born thing, and it was like it,
you know, it's just the one game, guy, It's one game.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
We're just so desperate for it.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
So I understand it, but that's what the pressure you know,
it's like a star is born me talking about guys.
I you know, I still know what I'm doing out here.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yet You've said you've mentioned the media a few times,
which is, you know, I think everybody knows about that.
You know, everybody from you know, Minnesota, Midwest, West Coast,
we all get that. We've heard it. I think it's
a different thing when you're actually there.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I don't think you get it. Yeah, I think you
get it.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But you get it, but you don't get it. So
my question about it is like before Patrick Mahomes walked
into the league, I was, despite my you know, football
disdain for the Green Bay Packers, I was pretty happy
to make the case that Aaron Rodgers might be the
most talented quarterback to ever step on a field. I
thought he had Marino's arm with Steve Young's legs. He's
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just a bizarre talent. But in Green Bay he aged
like you know, if you get a shelter dog and
they're like, he's nineteen and he's good most the time,
I'm and then every once while you're like, why is
he growling at that chair? Like that's That's kind of
how he aged in Green Bay. But the thing was
you want to talk about like fan bases, psychology, Green Bay,
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for they are the trust fund babies of the like
they this and they all think everybody's out to get
them and You're like, no, no, the the trophy's named
after you.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, I mean the fact that they're gonna have gone
from what fifteen years or whatever, from far Right into
Rogers right into love. It's like you've never even struggled, man, Like,
no one's got to get you. You've got it, gravy, dude, you.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Know, you don't even know what the word rant means.
Get away, get away from me. But so they there
was this ultimate like how dare you come at Rogers?
And I think we all knew when Rogers got to
New York that you know, that experience changes with the media.
But I'm curious four games in to him actually playing.
I think if you guys would have snuck away with
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that Bronco's thing, the narrative would be a lot different
than it is right now. But what is what is
the Aaron Rodgers experience at two and two heading to London.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
First of all, you know, it goes back to the injury,
which was one of just the craziest goddamn things ever,
you know, and those are the moments where you feel
like you're cursed as a fan, where it's like, what
he's out for the season, and that really like changed
I think everything, because you couldn't judge him like one
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way or the other, you know what I mean. So
it was like the media was kind of waiting to see.
And you know, that first game we got, we got
our asses handed to our to us like it was
not great. But when he broke out against the Pats,
I think that was going to be his like you know,
jumping off point.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
And then this game was just so same old Jets,
like sloppy. I mean it was in the rain, maybe
you could throw that out.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
But but Broncos might be better. They might be a
little better than people think they are.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Yeah, And but what I noticed was against the Pats.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Like rogers wheeling and dealing. He looked good out there.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Because against the Niners, it was like every time he
ran the ball, I was like, just lide, go.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Down, go down, going, I throw it out of bounds,
you know.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
And then by you know, halfway through the Pats came
I was like, no, this guy is like still able
to scramble and really do it. And then it felt
like against the Broncos, it was like a statue.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I think that was a little bit of the weather.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah. Yeah, that's why I think they're not they're not
killing him as much. I think that pats Win gave
him a little bit of grace.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It'd be funny if they did The Star is Born
for him, forty years old, off the Pats just him
with gray and his beard.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, that would be funny. I mean, the media is
so interesting.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
It's like I remember that for the New York Daily News,
it was a reporter maniche Mehta, who I think eventually
ended up getting fired. He was always very biased and
it was very clear he was just looking for headlines
and followers, and if he liked you, he would you
know right, if he hated you, he would pick you apart.
And I think eventually they like I can't remember what
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it was, but they found some dirt on him that
was like, you're actually, you know, not a you know whatever.
The rules of journalism are like you're you know, you're gone,
you're violating them. But it was like in this new
era of I want to go make three hundred and
seventy five million dollars like Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I want to be one hundred million dollar man, like
Stephen A. Smith.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Like you have to build your own following, you have
to have your own opinions. You've got to have talk show,
not just like I'm reporting on the team.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
So you know, with the Mets and the Jets, a
little bit of the next but most of the Mets
and the Jets.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Like the papers and the talk radio are always negative.
Is going to get you more attention. Yeah, the Mike
Francises of the world and the mad Dogs of the world.
If you're making fun of the Jets, you know, half
the city's laughing at them. The other half is the
fans who are like they do this to.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Me every year.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
It's very rare that they're just like they're good, yeah,
like they're or just like or just like they're okay,
you know, like you're gonna be eight and eight this year,
Like you're okay.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It's fine, you lose some games.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Sometimes it's usually just like this guy is falling, or
we're gonna put all the pressure in the world on
your shoulders.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It's a little different because he's not a rookie. He's
not young.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
It's been just a revolving door of either backups or rookies,
so you don't know like what they're capable of. So
this is kind of like I think even the media knows, like,
you can't get crazy. After one game he lost to
the Broncos. We'll see what happens next week. You know,
you lose a couple in a row, they're gonna come out.
But I think right now even the media knows to
give him a little bit.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Of You got to give him a little leeway.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
It's interesting though, there was a moment so cause I
watched that the end of that Broncos Jets game, so
when Farv came here after he spent time with you,
and then he came here. Everybody remembers that first season
as kind of this magical run.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Talking about it in Minnesota. Yeah, yeah, well you guys
are like fourteen and two or something.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Right, it was. It was nuts. My dad told me
before that season started, he's like, whatever happens, because we
didn't know Aaron Rodgers was going to exist, right. I
think he'd have thought differently if he thought Aaron Rodgers
was going to exist. But he's like, whatever happens. This
guy can still play, and you're about to play with
their most important guy ever. Well, he's still good. He
goes eat up every minute. But people forget you remember
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when when the heat not one, not two, and then
they came out and they lose to the MAVs. Right,
because when you put somebody who the universe revolves around,
when you stick them in the center of a new situation,
I don't think people give enough credit for how long
that takes. And even though Aaron's been there for a year,
this is the first time he's really been in it. So,
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like going back to Farv, it was a really really
slow start. They were pulling off wins, but it was
really really slow. And then there was that Niners game.
The Niners weren't good yet, but with a few seconds left,
it was that Farv magic. He slid right, he found
Greg Lewis in the back of the end zone for
this insane touchdown at the buzzer toe tap, and then
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all of a sudden, it was the Farv magic. And
so when you guys were lining up for that field goal,
I didn't feel like right, but I saw the same
thing you saw against the Patriots, and I was like,
got I think, get this one, and then he goes
to London. He has this opportunity, and he still has
this opportunity, but to play what is right now a
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defense that everybody goes what I don't even understand it,
Like he's gonna be the first veteran to see this defense.
I hope he has the worst day of his year
over there, but I think there's a case to be
made that this is an ultimate opportunity for him to
be the guy who kind of quiets a lot of
that stuff and has one of those moments where you go, oh.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Pats are obviously not, you know, the best team. To me,
it was still a big step because they're the Patriots.
He had to get over them. But I understand they're
not the best barometer, but it was the Honestly, I
can't believe I'm gonna say this, but maybe like the
first time in my life as a Jets fan, certainly
in a long time, that I watched a quarterback dismantle
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a defense like that where it was like we got to.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
The point where he was just worried about spreading the
ball around.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
He wants everybody to get some receptions because he's just
unlocked this thing and he is just burying you guys.
And so when I saw that, I was like, this
is a different sport than what I've been used to watching.
Like truly, genuinely getting first downs as a Jets fan
with some of the quarterbacks we've had, was a big deal.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I mean, the crowd literally goes and that's a Jets
first down, and we've celebrated.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I mean there, I can think of many games where
it would be like we haven't crossed midfield.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yet, Like truly, I'm not even joking you.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Here's the thing you went like when we were earlier
doing like this is my fan base. This is my
fan base. The fact that you just elocuted that part
of your team's story is like a deep love for
memorable first downs. That's wild. We have the missed kicks,
but if you're over here like just opining over first
down issues, you win.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Third down conversions, third down conversions. I'm like, this is
a thing. We get the first down, like on third down,
you just get the It.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Was against the Pats, I think it was third and
third and eighteen, third and twenty something, and he just
like got the first down, and I was like, what
I mean, I always go.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Back to this one game. It was Jets Cardinals. Neither
team could cross midfield.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Neither team I think we ended up winning like six three,
and it was just like, this is not football.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
It's not a real it's not the sport you guys watch.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
And then so when I see dismantling like that, I'm like, oh.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I get it. This is why the NFL is the
biggest sport in the world. Like that was awesome.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
So I hope that this is one of those moments,
you know where where he kind of, you know, steps
up and he's that guy, like the relaxed guy already lax,
you know, like relax, we got this.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Well, he kind of had one of those moments on
Thursday Night Football after. I mean, for you as a
fan to watch him beat the Patriots and then go
on there and be like, hey, I know you guys
are tortured. We're changing it.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, like I'm not about but you know what I said,
I made a video.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
We're reacting to that because I have a series called
the Goddamn Jets where we're just running through good or bad,
and I want my quarterback to say that because it
was the moment on the field with Sala where he
goes to hug him and he pushed him away, and
a lot of the fans thought he said too soon,
too soon, like don't celebrate, And in the postgame he
specified that he was saying two scores because I guess
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they have some sort of kind of rule that until
you're up by two scores, you don't even you know,
don't get don't get comfortable, which to.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Me, I'm like, that's still not enough. This is the
New York Jets. Yeah, two scores, you know, we need
four scores.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Let's call it the Lincoln rule. Four scores for real.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
But he so he had told them because a lot
of people thought there was a little bit of was
that tension?
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Were they fighting? What was that? He was like, no, no, no, no,
it's just a rule we have in practice. Got to
be up by two scores.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
So he pushed them away and he said that, and
I was like, that's what I want for my quarterback.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
But for us when they've won eighteen of twenty.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, and they've beat us on Thanksgiving and butt fumbles
and laughed at us and Belichick with the napkin and
I see ghosts and all those.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Things you can celebrate.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
You can celebrate like like you know, you know, you
got the monkey off your back and maybe that's a
signal of more things to come. So yeah, there's a bigger, bigger,
you know, for him it's worlds, it's a super Bowl
or busts. So but for us, I think it's important
to enjoy the ride a little bit because usually the
ride has completely.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Sucked before I get you out of here. Even though
this is a football podcast, we can't not do this
speaking of that mentality, like that's I'm a diehard Timbrels
fan my whole life, so last, and you want to
talk about a tortured fan base. That is the most
comically your owner signs a contract before surgery that steals
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all the draft picks during Kevin Garnett's primes. That's like
you couldn't even you'd write that into a scripts.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
The known enough that's not like talked about enough. That
needs to be out there more.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
It's one of the wildest and then it's just debacle
after debacle after debacle.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Adam Garnet Marbury and I think was spree well there
with them.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
At the same time.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
No, so it was it was Garnett, Marbury and Googliata Rights,
and then it was spree Well and Cassell. You want, dude,
here's how funny the tim Wolves are. The tim Wolves
had their one great previous to last year. Their one
great year in franchise history was I'm not saying they
would have beat that weird Karl Malone Gary Payton Lakers team,
but the fact that one of their three most important
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players was hampered in that series because when they beat
the Kings to go to the Western Conference Finals, he
did the Major League Big Ball Dance. He hurt his
back doing that. Like you want to talk about a
tortured family. You're telling me that, You're telling me the
Big Ball Dance cost us our only chance at a
title in twenty years. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
That was like the Mets with Diaz in the World
Baseball Plastic so celebrating a meaningless exhibition, he breaks his leg.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
You know, there's so many stories like that.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I feel like over the years we had guys like
injure themselves with Q tips or fall down the stairs
of the dugout, or one guy on the Mets.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Once hurt his back picking up. He's a hunter, he hunt.
He was picking up like an Elkerson and like hurt
his back. I was like, what is going on? Is
fell in a hole because a boar was chasing?
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I mean, just things that are like completely they feel
completely made up, and they probably are to be honest,
probably ridiculous stories cover up the truth or something. But
it's like, I'm happy to hear there's at least one
of the franchise out there that has to deal with it,
so or not all old.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I love a millionaire that's so stubborn that he won't
buy an ATV. What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Man?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Put the helck on an age right, You don't need
to do I know, I know Hicks who have ATVs
for that exact reason. But you got you got. It's
it's interesting a lot like Kirk Cousins. The town's thing
is divisive here. I'm on record. I think you guys
got a unicorn. I think it'll be really interesting to
see how he fits in. But what I will tell
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you is for all the complaining people got on him
about his body language, which bro it's the NBA, Like,
I don't like it. But if body language is gonna
be the thing we're gonna talk about in the NBA,
You're gonna have to write a twelve thousand page essay
about the whole league. But this is a dude who
never complained, never wanted out his dude, the guy who
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drafted and died. He plays for all these other coaches.
Jimmy Butler fights him in practice, like he goes on
to win the NBA's version of the Walter Peyton Man.
Like he is such a good, committed human and then oh,
he's also the greatest big man three point shooter of
all time and has a put like I think you're
gonna absolutely love him. What is that? Is that where
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you guys are at?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I don't know where we're at right now.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I think the Jalen Brunson Knicks are so likable, like
one of the most likable teams I think in like
sports history. The Nova Knicks thing is incredible. These guys
are all like literally best friends, all have a history together,
and and Brunson kind of embodies this like, you know,
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he was he was underrated, overrated, under you know, they
thought the contract was too big, they didn't think he
was a superstar. He's always said that, people said he
was too short, too slow, And he ends up being
you know, absolutely awesome, and they just put around this
crew of guys that are so so likable, like Hartenstein
is this like electric guy that reminds me of like
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the old Knicks, and you got a bunch of shooters
hitting big shots, and I think there was this feeling
of like, let's try to get the job done with
these guys, you.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Know, bring back Randall, Let the Nova Knicks.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
You know, they put bridges in the mix, like let's
get over the hump with that. And I think that's unrealistic,
and I think that's the job of a GM is
to be like, yeah, listen, it's cute that they all
played for the same college. It's not realistic. Devincenzo had said,
I don't want to be a bench player. I don't
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want to be relegated to the bench because of these moves,
like I'm not gonna be happy here, so they move
him Randall.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Randall's an interesting player because Randall.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
At times is like unstoppable twenty six and fifteen, like,
you know, one of the best big men, you know, imaginable,
and then in the postseason, you know, disappears, doesn't get
it done.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Can be a very you know, emotional type of player.
I'm a little upset about that first round pick. I
feel like they could have maybe got it.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Love it. That's the thing that's getting That's the thing
that's keeping me afloat, brother Matt.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Because that that pick is you know, the pistons are dreaded, they're.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Not good, and it's not incredibly protected, right, I know
it's protected, but what is it top two or three
something like that.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah, it's gonna be a good one. It's gonna be
a good one.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
And so there's a little bit of like it also
just came out of nowhere, at least not for me,
like I for siders, we're talking about it, but everyone
was like what and then you know Kat tweeting just
like the three dots, like the ellipses. Yeah, I think
it's going to be something where we look back and go, like,
remember when people the same thing on a smaller scale
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that happened with OG when they when the next traded
quickly and RJ Barrett, people were upset because it was
like these are homegrown and all that, and it's like, oh,
that was like the best trade.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Out O O G.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
It was flabbergasted by that because that dude is an
absolute monster.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
And the only other thing I think with Kat is
he does not give off the tough, the toughest of vibes.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
And this team was like gangster.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
The Knicks were like they were they could, they had talent,
but they were also like, you know, we you you
do not mess with us. And when you lose Hartenstein,
who's kind of that heart and soul and and ryandall's
one of those guys. And then your replacement is Carl
Anthony Towns, who's like, like, like you said, very gifted,
but not the most you know, the tough New York
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guy we want him to be. But if you're out
there reigning threes and you're an offensive weapon and everything's.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Clicking, it all goes away.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
So yeah, that's right, weird trade.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I feel like it's.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Gonna be one that, uh, you know, hopefully everybody works out.
It's very rare, but like both teams might end up
looking at it thinking it's all right, I don't.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Know, it's kind of weird for and nothing's going on there.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
I had an inkling was like I'd have thought like
it was Anthony Edwards, like this is my team and
I don't like this guy.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
No, no, No, he's cat.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Cat is this guy, because like, so that was the
only thing that maybe made sense to me.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
You were the you were the one seed, right or
the two seed, one seed.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Three seeds, one seed most of this season, like.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Your best season ever. I think you were the one
seed for at least a chunk of the year. Like
it's like, oh, the Wolves, they're one of those teams
where I used to say the Wolves are never gonna
win because.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
They're the Wolves.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
They put it together and then they take it away
like it better work.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Or that's a strange move.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I think. And I'm not smart enough to conceptualize all this,
but I think it is with the new Bargaining Agreement,
the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, if you are over the
second apron, you just are what you are. You can't trade,
Like I think the restrictions to move around after that
are pretty intense. And I think they looked at it going, well,
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we can either run it back exactly like this, and
that means eventually, will you lose this guy and this
will change.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Or I mean, his contract is nuts.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
It's nuts.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
It's light but fifty one, fifty five, sixty two and
then sixty seven million a year.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
If the next is crazy, here's what I'll tell you,
And then I'm gonna ask you one Viking question so
I don't get yelled at for turning it into a
Timbers podcast on the Vikings Dime, But I was there
is a possibility last year was the best year of
Kat's career, both from an on the court standpoint, a
defensive standpoint, but most importantly a maturity standpoint. Okay, it
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was his most sure year, and there is a chance
that that is the inflection point for him that launches
him into this new universe. There's a there's a chance
that halfway through this NBA season, You're gonna send me
a message and be like, what the dude, how is it? Like,
there's a chance, especially because he is his pick and
pop with Brunson, especially with other shooters, And I'm like, ah,
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that is.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
One thing I was thinking of, is like the way
that that offense could be run with all the shooters
and with Brunson, and then you got this big guy
who's so versatile, and you got to get somebody to
really go up against embiid and get the East Like
I think I think we'll look back and be like
remember when we were worried about that. Now in a
couple more years, when we see what that draft pick is,
it might flip again and you might be like, well,
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that's what we won. But for the short term, I
think and I trust. I trust the Knicks runt office
for the first time, and you know, twenty five years,
Leon Rose has been incredible, so he does, like we
we ride with him.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
What last thing for you on the game? I'm curious.
I'm curious about a prediction. If you give one, but one,
I'd also be curious. And this is like my one
bully move as a host. But I want to know, like,
what's the one thing you're worried about? Like when you're
looking at this Vikings team, what's the one thing that
you think they do so well or you're so impressed
by that it is you know, you're ruminating on it,
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Like what's what's the big concern going into this weekend?
If you leave your own universe of this is what's
wrong with my team?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
I mean, I I very much believe in I think
sports are this weird combination of of like the most tangible.
It's live and these guys are playing it and you
never know what's going to happen, while also being mixed
in with like I think it's all scripted and written
in the stars and written in stone, and the fact
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that they're facing Donald's this in a good situation.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
It just has every.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Like New York media, New York fan base, all that
freaking out over it, Like we went and got Aaron
Rodgers and and like, look he ended up beating us,
and that that to me has a high potential. And
that's but that's also where I I I think of
like maybe this is where Aaron Rodgers says, like all
of your dumb little superstitions and all those little things,
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like get rid of them, because that doesn't matter anymore.
But that that's what has me has me most scared
going in. I mean, you said the defense has been
lights out as as I understand it, I had not
really gotten to see them play much. But as I
as I understand it, that's, uh, you know what what
we need to fear right now. And that offense did
not look great against the the Broncos. Again, that was
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the weather was was nasty. But I think right now
he's Rogers is really only comfortable throwing Alan Lazard. I
think like he's still learning everybody else and and that,
so you know that going up against the real solid
defense would give me pause. But it's that storyline, man,
that's that's that storyline of like the Donald revenge game,
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you know, makes me want to puke just think about it.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Well, let's let's make sure the storyline of the Aaron
Rodgers breakout is week six.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Okay, yeah, yeah, how about we play you know no nobody,
you know, no star, no superstar performances.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
I'll come down to a field home point flip.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
We'll see how it happens and maybe the storylines can
can resume next week.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
You're king, dude.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Thank you love it man, Thanks a love.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
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Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the Vikings Tailgate,
brought to you by Ticketmaster, the official ticket marketplace of
the Minnesota Vikings. To me, your host, si Onminson and
your four and zero Minnesota Vikings are headed to London
to take on an old enemy and Aaron Rodgers and
the Jets. The Jets, the Jets, the Jets. Guys, we
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got a killer guests this week. To help us break
it all down. We brought in one of the biggest
Jets fans we know. Uh. He is the host of
the wildly popular KFC Radio. You can find him on
all of his socials at KFC Barstool, he's a senior
member of the barstool staff. Ladies and gentlemen. Kevin Clancy
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is going to join us to talk about Sam Darnold,
to talk about the weird, Aaron Rodgers, Jets history, Vikings history,
and we even get into a little Carl Anthony Towns,
Nick's Timberwolve's talk. This one was a ton of fun.
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Hey man, thank you for joining the show.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
What's up, dude, Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
This is a weird emotional week. I think for fans.
If four years ago you'd have said, hey man, you're
gonna be playing in London, Aaron Rodgers is gonna be
on the Jets. You still hate him, He's gonna be
on the Jets. You're gonna have this weird start even
though you're starting Sam Darnold. Like I think, all the
energy around it is pretty it's almost like the Back
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to the Future Biff timeline, Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It's like a script?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Man. I mean, I feel like I I never know.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I'd like to walk a mile in a few.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Different fan base his shoes, because sometimes being the loser
side of New York the Mets, Jets, Nicks Islanders, it
feels like not only are we always losing, but it's
always dramatic and always like the guy that we traded
is the one who came back to hit the home
run against us, or you know, the coach we bet
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we missed on went on to coach this team to
blah blah, And it's like, how do these Does this
happen to everybody?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Or is it really just me? Or like it can't
always be this dramatic for everyone, is it? But uh so,
I never know.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I'd love to, like, you know, see how how other
people perceive it, But lord, I know that I'm always like,
I don't know. I feel like my sports life has
taken twenty years off my actual life just because of
how much I put into it and how much I
don't get out of it no matter what we seem
to do.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'm fascinated with fan basis psychology too, and I think
ours are so different. But the one place where that
Venn diagram you know, crosses over is neither of us
have won anything in forever and what that does to
your brain and how that makes you perceive every moment
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for us. I said this on a show a couple
of weeks ago. Vikings like to act like they're Charlie
Brown about to kick the football and get like that's
who they pretend they are, and like that, the giving
up like oh, I've got no chance. But every time
that you give them a morsel of hope, like this
Sam Donald thing. I mean, we had people wearing astronaut
costumes to games after two Dobbs performances last year. You
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give this team hope. Yeah, I'm telling you that Sam
Donald has the coolest path to a statue you could
ever imagine if he takes.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
You know, it is what do they say in Shawshank,
You know, hope is one of the most powerful things.
I think hope is one of the worst things, because
that's you know, I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Being in a city where the other half has won
countless World Series and Super Bowls makes the New York
experience pretty unique, and I think it's one that almost
gives us the edge over you know, who has the
worst sports life, because I you know, if if a team,
if a city that just has one set of teams loses,
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you all lose together. You all go to work together miserable,
you're all happy together with it goes well in New York.
It's like everywhere I go when I was a kid
in school, when I'm at the office, people that I'm
dating just my friend group, like there's always one half
or really more like you know, seventy five percent just
laughing at you and getting on you. And so I
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always make that argument. But there's one fan base when
I usually shut my mouth, and it's Minnesota fans because
you guys have had it pretty tough. There's a couple
things in Pittsburgh and Minnesota's up there for like, I
respect you. You're in the trenches with us. It's a tough,
tough existence.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And there's a secret hidden part that people who aren't
from here, like we actually have that because no one
wants to live in Wisconsin. Yeah, so, and the Twin
Cities are right on the border. So you you do
go to work and you see.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
You do get that that hackers, Oh god, you're just
the worst person, the worst person at your office, just
sitting there with that fat breeze smile on their face.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's just it's just terrible. Yeah, So not a lot
of people recognize that, But yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I would have thought that you guys were all kind
of in the same boat together. So if you can,
if you can understand that side of it, you might
be up there for for worst ever because lord knows,
you know, you've lost just as many games as we
have and in everything. I also, I think in recent
years I used to have a theory about sports that
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there are certain teams that just are not gonna win,
just like they're never gonna do it. And in recent
years it's kind of started to crumble. I wonder if
that's just because of how money has changed, you know,
revenue sharing and all that.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Big cities, little cities.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
But I used to walk around being like, you know,
like the Sacramento Kings are just never going to win
the title because they're the Sacramento Kings, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But then like the Bucks come along and win it,
you know.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
And and I think about like football, where it's like,
to me, there used to be certain teams, you're just
never gonna win it because of who your.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Name is and what your what your reputation is. And
but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Then I start to see these, you know, certain teams
pull it out, and it's like, all right, maybe maybe
there is hope.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I don't know the other thing that I think is
interesting about that because I do think you're right. I
think sports are so entrenched in history and narrative building
and all these things that like and your fan base
is another great example of this, a couple of flicks
of the ball a different direction. And like the Vikings
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are in four Super Bowls. If they win three of those,
they are not. They are spoken about because of how
old of an organization they are and all the titles
they won before the merger. They are the Cowboys, the
Packers or Sailors. And you guys, had you had any
sort of like, look, the Packers are a great example.
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They win early, they're horrific forever. Then they win one
with farv and one with Rogers. If you guys that
have somehow pulled one out in the eighties and nineties
and one out in the two thousands, I think purely
because of the name thing, and how big of a
deal that was from a narrative standpoint. I think that's
how close you guys are to also being a team
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that is spoken about in a different historical way.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Well, that run the Sanchez years with the back to
back AFC championships, where that's kind of become a joke
in New York because for so long we were like
back to back AAFC championships, man back to back AAFC championships,
you know, and then it was like ten years removed
from that, and it was like, you can't be talking
about almost making it, you know, ten years ago. But
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those you know, those are things like that game against
the Steelers that they lost, they should have won, and
then they would have even just making it changes it
changes the narrative.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's like because people respect getting there. I think once
you get there, you know, you look at the Patriots,
like even the big bad Patriots dynasty lost a bunch
because once you get there, the game just breaks.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
However, getting there is its own little.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Badge of honor and uh, and it makes all the difference.
And I see what you're saying. But at the same time,
also it's like there's also this feeling to me of
like just institutionalized losing, where yeah, a couple of balls
break here or there, but for the most part, how
how am I in the same.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Boat every year?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Like, Yeah, the coach didn't work out, the quarterback didn't
work out, the penalties are still happening, the holdouts are
still happening, the injuries are still happening.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's like sometimes it feels like, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
It's almost like a weird sports purgatory that somebody hilariously
trying to pack you in.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, it's sports.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Is the closest I get to believing in, you know, superstitions, karma,
black magic, all that sort of stuff. And what I
really usually end up coming to the realization is it's
none of that.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
It's your ownership.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
It's it's you know, because you change, you change your
your gms, you change your man your coaches, change your players.
The one thing at the top that always stays the
same has a big being to do with what goes.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
On, you know, Speaking of things that our audience is
I'm tired of hearing me talk about. I go back
to Eddie de Bartelow and the forty nine ers and
the fact that they he treated his players and his
organizations in his organization in a certain way, and then
Robert Kraft learns from him. I'm exactly with you. I
don't think it's an accident when team are perennially relevant,
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maybe not even competitive, But like, I don't think it's
an accident that the Steelers are Steelers kind of always
hanging around. They like everybody goes well, they only had
these many coaches. It's yeah, because their ownership in a
healthy way values consistency. That is the thing we finally
have in Minnesota with the Wolfs. Is like, because that's
hard to say as a sports fan, and I know
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we've felt it with some of the teams. I know
you have, but to be able to sit there and go, oh,
I think they elevate winning a title next to all
the other stuff that matters and running a business. And
they are the sort of owners who recognize if we
do win a title, all that other goes through the room.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
That's so crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
It's like you're worried about money and tickets and reputation.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And like whatever else, and winning cares all of that. Man.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
And I don't know what it is, but it's like
you just keep picking the wrong coach, you know, like
you just keep picking the wrong GM although you know,
like there's always little glimmers of hope, and right now
you feel like maybe there is one. But it's like, oh,
you can't fire an owner, man, like get stuck with them.
It's just we want I'm doing it with the Mets
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right now.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
In baseball.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
It's like we had the Willponds were our owners in baseball,
and they were the worst. They're the absolute worst ever
for a big market team. They were so terrible. And
as soon as they're gone and a guy who steps
in with a bunch of money who cares a lot,
everything changed.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
You know, all of a sudden, you guys are having
the most fun final game of the season you could
possibly imagine.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I'm just getting ripped in both directions that on Sunday.
On Sunday, Mets had a chance. If they won and
the Diamonbacks lost, it was over. And I was all
coinciding exactly with the fourth quarter of the Jets game.
And I'm just so down about the Jets. I feel
like I time traveled, like we got such a good
taste of the good Rogers and we beat the Patriots
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on Prime time, like something, I not only beat them,
stomped them, something I never never even considered as a
possibility because I mean, we've.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Lost eighteen out of twenty to them.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
They always beat us Monday night football, the butt fumble,
the you know, they scored like thirty points in like
three minutes on us once like all of the worst
moments ever, and we turned the tables and I'm like,
oh my god, like it's finally changed. And then you
come in against the Broncos and do like same old
Jets while the Mets have to go through the doubleheader,
and I was just like, Nope, it's.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I thought the sports gods.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Maybe had changed for a second, but I think I'm
in the same boat that I'm always in.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
So how do you at this point watching what's happening
in Minnesota, Like, what is the Darnald experience like for
you someone who has been that invested into Jets, Like,
how do you?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I'm so happy for that dude.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I think he is a great reminder that, first of all,
careers can be long and you can't necessarily give up
on certain people. And secondly, I think it is insane
the way we treat rookie quarterbacks on the whole, in
the league, in what.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Other what other profession job?
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, are you expected to step into the absolute hardest
role in all of sports? To me, like hands down
most important and most difficult as a twenty two year
old and just go for every yes, for every one,
Patrick Mahomes, there's a dozen.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Failures, you know, you know, especially with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I look at Gino in Seattle and Sam and Minnesota,
and it's like, these are two guys that were talented
enough on a very literal sense on the field, didn't
have a good offensive line, didn't have good weapons, didn't
have good coaching, had atrocious atrocious play calling, had a
terrible locker room situation. Literally, Gino Smith going through fistfights
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and broken jaws like absolute madness.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Of course he's not going to succeed.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
It's it's it's it's impossible when everything is set in place,
let alone when you're fighting an uphill battle and the
team is like actively working against you.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
And and Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Is a good example of a change of scenery where
like I was, I was a big fan of his,
I was a little skewed he like we knew him
a little bit through barstool I wanted him to succeed,
you know, a little bit of rose colored glasses with him.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
But it got to the point where as a.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Fan, especially one on a show or on social media,
who you know, keeps it pretty honest and real, I
had to say, like, it's done.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
It's just not it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And in that moment, I did think it's probably done
for him period, But he was I think he probably
played it perfectly where he didn't have ego, he was
willing to go be a backup, willing to go to
a couple other franchises. Let me just kind of stick
around here and and you know, claw my way back.
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And then you're twenty, you know, late twenties, bigger, smarter,
find the right place, and it's like, oh, I can
do this. You know, I have all the weapons or
I have an offensive line. Like of course that makes
a big difference. But sometimes you know, once it once
it fails the way it failed in New York, to
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be honest, once I see ghosts, I'm seeing ghosts happened,
it was like.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
It's just over.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Like the fan base, the media, we're all gonna you know,
the media is a big part of trying to succeed
in New York.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
They just hammer you relentlessly.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
You were just gonna constantly have to play against the
Patriots forever in that division. A million reasons why it
was just never gonna work in New York, and I
wasn't sure if it was ever going to pan out anywhere.
And I'm happy to see that it is happening, because
you know, so many other people would flame out in
that spot, give up in that spot, and you know,
to keep your ego in check and keep working, or like,
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you know, you'd get out of shape, you'd stop caring,
you'd lose the the the mentality. Like the fact that
he's here and doing it now, you know, tip my
cap to him. It was, you know, never going to
happen here. I wish like we could have just stuck
it out and and had this happen. But I just
don't think think it needed to go somewhere else. I
kind of think that about like I can't believe the
Giants are still doing it with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
It's like, how many years are you going to give
this guy?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
I think the worst thing that happened to him was
that one playoff game, because you just you feel like
you owe him. And I feel like that's almost an
example of a good family of ownership gone wrong, where
the marriages are so loyal and want to be like
the Steelers in a way. But you got to cut
ties at some point. And maybe Daniel Jones will go
somewhere else and do it. But I just feel like
at some point you got know, wing to cut ties
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in your current situation. But I'm happy for him, man,
I hope you guys like him.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I think most of the fans, if not every single fan,
is pretty insanely on board at this point. But to me,
what it is, you know, we went through the Kirk
Cousins experience and this is like, no, this isn't even
commentary on him. But I think this interesting thing happens
is when you are the face of a franchise, right,
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which is often what you're you know, you're talking about
the pressure, the heap on these rookie quarterbacks, like that's
part of it New York like insanity. So but you
bring a guy like Kirkin, who Kirk is a very
good thrower of the football. He's a very good quarterback,
and you know, if you step back from it, it's
kind of hard to argue he has one of the
more interesting kind of stories without being dramatic or being
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but like you go, RG three is this high pick.
He has one of the greatest rookie seasons we ever see, right,
and then he's hurt and then comes Kirk, and and
then they want Kirk, but they don't want Kirk, and
he gets you know, optioned in the way that we've
never seen before, signs the first guaranteed, signs another one,
and then you have the prime time stuff like and
all the narratives about him. It's just a He's a
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really interesting story and when you when you bring that
to a team, all of it comes with And I
think everybody here was completely behind him. Like I'm only
speaking on a from a fan based standpoint, right, you
had you had, you had people who were behind him.
But I think it takes a lot to support somebody
like that. And I think one of the things that
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Sam Donald is benefiting from is Kirk carried a lot
of expectations and he carried a lot of burden and
weight because of who he is and what he made
and what people expected him. And Sam Donald just kind
of got to walk in as like a guy.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, the expectations be everything. Man, I'm just a guy.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I'm just a guy with a giant arm.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah yeah, I mean I just I just googled it
while you were talking.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Like when and he when Kirk Cousins is done with
this latest contract, he will have made four hundred and
eleven million dollars four hundred and eleven And it just
goes to show how important that position is. And if
you can throw the football and be a professional quarterback
at all, you will make a boatload. But what do
you have to show for four hundred million dollars and
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and that that type of money and that type of story.
You're right, It's just like anybody who comes in and
just plays okay, is gonna get you know.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
The let alone, like just slaughtering it. Because what I've
noticed with him is a little bit of this, like
I don't want to say FARV because that's you know,
football sacrilege. He's got a little bit of that. Like
every once in a while he progresses, he progresses, there's
a checkdown and he's like, I'm gonna just put it.
I'm gonna put it down the field. Is that new?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I mean again, it was so hard to tell because
he was on his back half the time and didn't
have many weapons, and you know, I'm seeing ghosts. Things
kind of like solidified it where it was like I
don't know if he's going through all his progressions and
I don't know if he has the confidence to throw
it downfield.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, and I don't know if he has the right
oc because.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
You know, we're running the ball all the time and
you know, just just conservative, loser type play calling. There
was always even with all of his quarterbacks, with the Geno's,
with the Donald, even with Zach Wilson, there was always
like a throw or a drive where we would get
all excited. He threw like one pass that was thirty
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yards down the field, back shoulder perfectly.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Maybe he's the guy, and it's like bro, that was
one mass.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I mean I remember even with Zach Wilson the Chiefs
game that they lost but they got robbed and they
almost beat Mahomes and that was like the last flicker
of hope, like maybe Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
He kind of won the It was like it was
like Gladiator.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
He like won the crowd, you know, but then you
just go back to playing like the way these guys
were playing and what I don't think it really was
like that.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
There was flashes. There's always flashes.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
It's funny, there's a New Ye There's there's always a
New York Daily News cover. They did it for Sanchez,
they did it for Gino, and I think they did
it for Donald definitely, two, maybe three. A Star Is
Born was the headline. All of these guys always had
one game. It was Sanchez, Gino, and maybe one other. Yeah,
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Sanchez was kind of like, I mean, he was like
doing it in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, there's there's an argument to be made that you.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Could have run that with saying yeah, yeah, I mean,
you know, he beat he won.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
At that point, he had the most playoff road winds
ever with the four wins.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
He had Beaten Brady, he had Beaten Manning, he had beaten.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Phil Rivers, he almost beat Roethlisberger, and then Gino had
like one big game and it was like they just kept
running this Star as Born thing, and it was like it,
you know, it's just the one game, guy, It's one game.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
We're just so desperate for it.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
So I understand it, but that's what the pressure you know,
it's like a star is born me talking about guys.
I you know, I still know what I'm doing out here.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yet You've said you've mentioned the media a few times,
which is, you know, I think everybody knows about that.
You know, everybody from you know, Minnesota, Midwest, West Coast,
we all get that. We've heard it. I think it's
a different thing when you're actually there.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I don't think you get it. Yeah, I think you
get it.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But you get it, but you don't get it. So
my question about it is like before Patrick Mahomes walked
into the league, I was, despite my you know, football
disdain for the Green Bay Packers, I was pretty happy
to make the case that Aaron Rodgers might be the
most talented quarterback to ever step on a field. I
thought he had Marino's arm with Steve Young's legs. He's
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just a bizarre talent. But in Green Bay he aged
like you know, if you get a shelter dog and
they're like, he's nineteen and he's good most the time,
I'm and then every once while you're like, why is
he growling at that chair? Like that's That's kind of
how he aged in Green Bay. But the thing was
you want to talk about like fan bases, psychology, Green Bay,
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for they are the trust fund babies of the like
they this and they all think everybody's out to get
them and You're like, no, no, the the trophy's named
after you.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, I mean the fact that they're gonna have gone
from what fifteen years or whatever, from far Right into
Rogers right into love. It's like you've never even struggled, man, Like,
no one's got to get you. You've got it, gravy, dude, you.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Know, you don't even know what the word rant means.
Get away, get away from me. But so they there
was this ultimate like how dare you come at Rogers?
And I think we all knew when Rogers got to
New York that you know, that experience changes with the media.
But I'm curious four games in to him actually playing.
I think if you guys would have snuck away with
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that Bronco's thing, the narrative would be a lot different
than it is right now. But what is what is
the Aaron Rodgers experience at two and two heading to London.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
First of all, you know, it goes back to the injury,
which was one of just the craziest goddamn things ever,
you know, and those are the moments where you feel
like you're cursed as a fan, where it's like, what
he's out for the season, and that really like changed
I think everything, because you couldn't judge him like one
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way or the other, you know what I mean. So
it was like the media was kind of waiting to see.
And you know, that first game we got, we got
our asses handed to our to us like it was
not great. But when he broke out against the Pats,
I think that was going to be his like you know,
jumping off point.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
And then this game was just so same old Jets,
like sloppy. I mean it was in the rain, maybe
you could throw that out.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
But but Broncos might be better. They might be a
little better than people think they are.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Yeah, And but what I noticed was against the Pats.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Like rogers wheeling and dealing. He looked good out there.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Because against the Niners, it was like every time he
ran the ball, I was like, just lide, go.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Down, go down, going, I throw it out of bounds,
you know.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
And then by you know, halfway through the Pats came
I was like, no, this guy is like still able
to scramble and really do it. And then it felt
like against the Broncos, it was like a statue.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I think that was a little bit of the weather.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah. Yeah, that's why I think they're not they're not
killing him as much. I think that pats Win gave
him a little bit of grace.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It'd be funny if they did The Star is Born
for him, forty years old, off the Pats just him
with gray and his beard.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, that would be funny. I mean, the media is
so interesting.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
It's like I remember that for the New York Daily News,
it was a reporter maniche Mehta, who I think eventually
ended up getting fired. He was always very biased and
it was very clear he was just looking for headlines
and followers, and if he liked you, he would you
know right, if he hated you, he would pick you apart.
And I think eventually they like I can't remember what
(26:03):
it was, but they found some dirt on him that
was like, you're actually, you know, not a you know whatever.
The rules of journalism are like you're you know, you're gone,
you're violating them. But it was like in this new
era of I want to go make three hundred and
seventy five million dollars like Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I want to be one hundred million dollar man, like
Stephen A. Smith.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Like you have to build your own following, you have
to have your own opinions. You've got to have talk show,
not just like I'm reporting on the team.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
So you know, with the Mets and the Jets, a
little bit of the next but most of the Mets
and the Jets.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Like the papers and the talk radio are always negative.
Is going to get you more attention. Yeah, the Mike
Francises of the world and the mad Dogs of the world.
If you're making fun of the Jets, you know, half
the city's laughing at them. The other half is the
fans who are like they do this to.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Me every year.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
It's very rare that they're just like they're good, yeah,
like they're or just like or just like they're okay,
you know, like you're gonna be eight and eight this year,
Like you're okay.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It's fine, you lose some games.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Sometimes it's usually just like this guy is falling, or
we're gonna put all the pressure in the world on
your shoulders.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
It's a little different because he's not a rookie. He's
not young.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
It's been just a revolving door of either backups or rookies,
so you don't know like what they're capable of. So
this is kind of like I think even the media knows, like,
you can't get crazy. After one game he lost to
the Broncos. We'll see what happens next week. You know,
you lose a couple in a row, they're gonna come out.
But I think right now even the media knows to
give him a little bit.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Of You got to give him a little leeway.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
It's interesting though, there was a moment so cause I
watched that the end of that Broncos Jets game, so
when Farv came here after he spent time with you,
and then he came here. Everybody remembers that first season
as kind of this magical run.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Talking about it in Minnesota. Yeah, yeah, well you guys
are like fourteen and two or something.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Right, it was. It was nuts. My dad told me
before that season started, he's like, whatever happens, because we
didn't know Aaron Rodgers was going to exist, right. I
think he'd have thought differently if he thought Aaron Rodgers
was going to exist. But he's like, whatever happens. This
guy can still play, and you're about to play with
their most important guy ever. Well, he's still good. He
goes eat up every minute. But people forget you remember
(28:13):
when when the heat not one, not two, and then
they came out and they lose to the MAVs. Right,
because when you put somebody who the universe revolves around,
when you stick them in the center of a new situation,
I don't think people give enough credit for how long
that takes. And even though Aaron's been there for a year,
this is the first time he's really been in it. So,
(28:35):
like going back to Farv, it was a really really
slow start. They were pulling off wins, but it was
really really slow. And then there was that Niners game.
The Niners weren't good yet, but with a few seconds left,
it was that Farv magic. He slid right, he found
Greg Lewis in the back of the end zone for
this insane touchdown at the buzzer toe tap, and then
(28:55):
all of a sudden, it was the Farv magic. And
so when you guys were lining up for that field goal,
I didn't feel like right, but I saw the same
thing you saw against the Patriots, and I was like,
got I think, get this one, and then he goes
to London. He has this opportunity, and he still has
this opportunity, but to play what is right now a
(29:16):
defense that everybody goes what I don't even understand it,
Like he's gonna be the first veteran to see this defense.
I hope he has the worst day of his year
over there, but I think there's a case to be
made that this is an ultimate opportunity for him to
be the guy who kind of quiets a lot of
that stuff and has one of those moments where you go, oh.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Pats are obviously not, you know, the best team. To me,
it was still a big step because they're the Patriots.
He had to get over them. But I understand they're
not the best barometer, but it was the Honestly, I
can't believe I'm gonna say this, but maybe like the
first time in my life as a Jets fan, certainly
in a long time, that I watched a quarterback dismantle
(30:00):
a defense like that where it was like we got to.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
The point where he was just worried about spreading the
ball around.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
He wants everybody to get some receptions because he's just
unlocked this thing and he is just burying you guys.
And so when I saw that, I was like, this
is a different sport than what I've been used to watching.
Like truly, genuinely getting first downs as a Jets fan
with some of the quarterbacks we've had, was a big deal.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I mean, the crowd literally goes and that's a Jets
first down, and we've celebrated.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I mean there, I can think of many games where
it would be like we haven't crossed midfield.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yet, Like truly, I'm not even joking you.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Here's the thing you went like when we were earlier
doing like this is my fan base. This is my
fan base. The fact that you just elocuted that part
of your team's story is like a deep love for
memorable first downs. That's wild. We have the missed kicks,
but if you're over here like just opining over first
down issues, you win.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Third down conversions, third down conversions. I'm like, this is
a thing. We get the first down, like on third down,
you just get the It.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Was against the Pats, I think it was third and
third and eighteen, third and twenty something, and he just
like got the first down, and I was like, what
I mean, I always go.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Back to this one game. It was Jets Cardinals. Neither
team could cross midfield.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Neither team I think we ended up winning like six three,
and it was just like, this is not football.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
It's not a real it's not the sport you guys watch.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
And then so when I see dismantling like that, I'm like, oh.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I get it. This is why the NFL is the
biggest sport in the world. Like that was awesome.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
So I hope that this is one of those moments,
you know where where he kind of, you know, steps
up and he's that guy, like the relaxed guy already lax,
you know, like relax, we got this.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Well, he kind of had one of those moments on
Thursday Night Football after. I mean, for you as a
fan to watch him beat the Patriots and then go
on there and be like, hey, I know you guys
are tortured. We're changing it.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, like I'm not about but you know what I said,
I made a video.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
We're reacting to that because I have a series called
the Goddamn Jets where we're just running through good or bad,
and I want my quarterback to say that because it
was the moment on the field with Sala where he
goes to hug him and he pushed him away, and
a lot of the fans thought he said too soon,
too soon, like don't celebrate, And in the postgame he
specified that he was saying two scores because I guess
(32:27):
they have some sort of kind of rule that until
you're up by two scores, you don't even you know,
don't get don't get comfortable, which to.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Me, I'm like, that's still not enough. This is the
New York Jets. Yeah, two scores, you know, we need
four scores.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Let's call it the Lincoln rule. Four scores for real.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
But he so he had told them because a lot
of people thought there was a little bit of was
that tension?
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Were they fighting? What was that? He was like, no, no, no, no,
it's just a rule we have in practice. Got to
be up by two scores.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
So he pushed them away and he said that, and
I was like, that's what I want for my quarterback.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
But for us when they've won eighteen of twenty.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah, and they've beat us on Thanksgiving and butt fumbles
and laughed at us and Belichick with the napkin and
I see ghosts and all those.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Things you can celebrate.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
You can celebrate like like you know, you know, you
got the monkey off your back and maybe that's a
signal of more things to come. So yeah, there's a bigger, bigger,
you know, for him it's worlds, it's a super Bowl
or busts. So but for us, I think it's important
to enjoy the ride a little bit because usually the
ride has completely.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Sucked before I get you out of here. Even though
this is a football podcast, we can't not do this
speaking of that mentality, like that's I'm a diehard Timbrels
fan my whole life, so last, and you want to
talk about a tortured fan base. That is the most
comically your owner signs a contract before surgery that steals
(33:53):
all the draft picks during Kevin Garnett's primes. That's like
you couldn't even you'd write that into a scripts.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
The known enough that's not like talked about enough. That
needs to be out there more.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
It's one of the wildest and then it's just debacle
after debacle after debacle.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Adam Garnet Marbury and I think was spree well there
with them.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
At the same time.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
No, so it was it was Garnett, Marbury and Googliata Rights,
and then it was spree Well and Cassell. You want, dude,
here's how funny the tim Wolves are. The tim Wolves
had their one great previous to last year. Their one
great year in franchise history was I'm not saying they
would have beat that weird Karl Malone Gary Payton Lakers team,
but the fact that one of their three most important
(34:37):
players was hampered in that series because when they beat
the Kings to go to the Western Conference Finals, he
did the Major League Big Ball Dance. He hurt his
back doing that. Like you want to talk about a
tortured family. You're telling me that, You're telling me the
Big Ball Dance cost us our only chance at a
title in twenty years. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
That was like the Mets with Diaz in the World
Baseball Plastic so celebrating a meaningless exhibition, he breaks his leg.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
You know, there's so many stories like that.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I feel like over the years we had guys like
injure themselves with Q tips or fall down the stairs
of the dugout, or one guy on the Mets.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Once hurt his back picking up. He's a hunter, he hunt.
He was picking up like an Elkerson and like hurt
his back. I was like, what is going on? Is
fell in a hole because a boar was chasing?
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I mean, just things that are like completely they feel
completely made up, and they probably are to be honest,
probably ridiculous stories cover up the truth or something. But
it's like, I'm happy to hear there's at least one
of the franchise out there that has to deal with it,
so or not all old.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I love a millionaire that's so stubborn that he won't
buy an ATV. What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Man?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Put the helck on an age right, You don't need
to do I know, I know Hicks who have ATVs
for that exact reason. But you got you got. It's
it's interesting a lot like Kirk Cousins. The town's thing
is divisive here. I'm on record. I think you guys
got a unicorn. I think it'll be really interesting to
see how he fits in. But what I will tell
(36:08):
you is for all the complaining people got on him
about his body language, which bro it's the NBA, Like,
I don't like it. But if body language is gonna
be the thing we're gonna talk about in the NBA,
You're gonna have to write a twelve thousand page essay
about the whole league. But this is a dude who
never complained, never wanted out his dude, the guy who
(36:28):
drafted and died. He plays for all these other coaches.
Jimmy Butler fights him in practice, like he goes on
to win the NBA's version of the Walter Peyton Man.
Like he is such a good, committed human and then oh,
he's also the greatest big man three point shooter of
all time and has a put like I think you're
gonna absolutely love him. What is that? Is that where
(36:52):
you guys are at?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I don't know where we're at right now.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
I think the Jalen Brunson Knicks are so likable, like
one of the most likable teams I think in like
sports history. The Nova Knicks thing is incredible. These guys
are all like literally best friends, all have a history together,
and and Brunson kind of embodies this like, you know,
(37:15):
he was he was underrated, overrated, under you know, they
thought the contract was too big, they didn't think he
was a superstar. He's always said that, people said he
was too short, too slow, And he ends up being
you know, absolutely awesome, and they just put around this
crew of guys that are so so likable, like Hartenstein
is this like electric guy that reminds me of like
(37:38):
the old Knicks, and you got a bunch of shooters
hitting big shots, and I think there was this feeling
of like, let's try to get the job done with
these guys, you.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Know, bring back Randall, Let the Nova Knicks.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
You know, they put bridges in the mix, like let's
get over the hump with that. And I think that's unrealistic,
and I think that's the job of a GM is
to be like, yeah, listen, it's cute that they all
played for the same college. It's not realistic. Devincenzo had said,
I don't want to be a bench player. I don't
(38:09):
want to be relegated to the bench because of these moves,
like I'm not gonna be happy here, so they move
him Randall.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Randall's an interesting player because Randall.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
At times is like unstoppable twenty six and fifteen, like,
you know, one of the best big men, you know, imaginable,
and then in the postseason, you know, disappears, doesn't get
it done.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Can be a very you know, emotional type of player.
I'm a little upset about that first round pick. I
feel like they could have maybe got it.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Love it. That's the thing that's getting That's the thing
that's keeping me afloat, brother Matt.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Because that that pick is you know, the pistons are dreaded, they're.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Not good, and it's not incredibly protected, right, I know
it's protected, but what is it top two or three
something like that.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah, it's gonna be a good one. It's gonna be
a good one.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
And so there's a little bit of like it also
just came out of nowhere, at least not for me,
like I for siders, we're talking about it, but everyone
was like what and then you know Kat tweeting just
like the three dots, like the ellipses. Yeah, I think
it's going to be something where we look back and go, like,
remember when people the same thing on a smaller scale
(39:16):
that happened with OG when they when the next traded
quickly and RJ Barrett, people were upset because it was
like these are homegrown and all that, and it's like, oh,
that was like the best trade.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Out O O G.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
It was flabbergasted by that because that dude is an
absolute monster.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
And the only other thing I think with Kat is
he does not give off the tough, the toughest of vibes.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
And this team was like gangster.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
The Knicks were like they were they could, they had talent,
but they were also like, you know, we you you
do not mess with us. And when you lose Hartenstein,
who's kind of that heart and soul and and ryandall's
one of those guys. And then your replacement is Carl
Anthony Towns, who's like, like, like you said, very gifted,
but not the most you know, the tough New York
(40:06):
guy we want him to be. But if you're out
there reigning threes and you're an offensive weapon and everything's.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Clicking, it all goes away.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
So yeah, that's right, weird trade.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
I feel like it's.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Gonna be one that, uh, you know, hopefully everybody works out.
It's very rare, but like both teams might end up
looking at it thinking it's all right, I don't.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Know, it's kind of weird for and nothing's going on there.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
I had an inkling was like I'd have thought like
it was Anthony Edwards, like this is my team and
I don't like this guy.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
No, no, No, he's cat.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Cat is this guy, because like, so that was the
only thing that maybe made sense to me.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
You were the you were the one seed, right or
the two seed, one seed.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Three seeds, one seed most of this season, like.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Your best season ever. I think you were the one
seed for at least a chunk of the year. Like
it's like, oh, the Wolves, they're one of those teams
where I used to say the Wolves are never gonna
win because.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
They're the Wolves.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
They put it together and then they take it away
like it better work.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
Or that's a strange move.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I think. And I'm not smart enough to conceptualize all this,
but I think it is with the new Bargaining Agreement,
the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, if you are over the
second apron, you just are what you are. You can't trade,
Like I think the restrictions to move around after that
are pretty intense. And I think they looked at it going, well,
(41:22):
we can either run it back exactly like this, and
that means eventually, will you lose this guy and this
will change.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Or I mean, his contract is nuts.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
It's nuts.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
It's light but fifty one, fifty five, sixty two and
then sixty seven million a year.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
If the next is crazy, here's what I'll tell you,
And then I'm gonna ask you one Viking question so
I don't get yelled at for turning it into a
Timbers podcast on the Vikings Dime, But I was there
is a possibility last year was the best year of
Kat's career, both from an on the court standpoint, a
defensive standpoint, but most importantly a maturity standpoint. Okay, it
(41:59):
was his most sure year, and there is a chance
that that is the inflection point for him that launches
him into this new universe. There's a there's a chance
that halfway through this NBA season, You're gonna send me
a message and be like, what the dude, how is it? Like,
there's a chance, especially because he is his pick and
pop with Brunson, especially with other shooters, And I'm like, ah,
(42:23):
that is.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
One thing I was thinking of, is like the way
that that offense could be run with all the shooters
and with Brunson, and then you got this big guy
who's so versatile, and you got to get somebody to
really go up against embiid and get the East Like
I think I think we'll look back and be like
remember when we were worried about that. Now in a
couple more years, when we see what that draft pick is,
it might flip again and you might be like, well,
(42:45):
that's what we won. But for the short term, I
think and I trust. I trust the Knicks runt office
for the first time, and you know, twenty five years,
Leon Rose has been incredible, so he does, like we
we ride with him.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
What last thing for you on the game? I'm curious.
I'm curious about a prediction. If you give one, but one,
I'd also be curious. And this is like my one
bully move as a host. But I want to know, like,
what's the one thing you're worried about? Like when you're
looking at this Vikings team, what's the one thing that
you think they do so well or you're so impressed
by that it is you know, you're ruminating on it,
(43:21):
Like what's what's the big concern going into this weekend?
If you leave your own universe of this is what's
wrong with my team?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
I mean, I I very much believe in I think
sports are this weird combination of of like the most tangible.
It's live and these guys are playing it and you
never know what's going to happen, while also being mixed
in with like I think it's all scripted and written
in the stars and written in stone, and the fact
(43:48):
that they're facing Donald's this in a good situation.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
It just has every.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Like New York media, New York fan base, all that
freaking out over it, Like we went and got Aaron
Rodgers and and like, look he ended up beating us,
and that that to me has a high potential. And
that's but that's also where I I I think of
like maybe this is where Aaron Rodgers says, like all
of your dumb little superstitions and all those little things,
(44:16):
like get rid of them, because that doesn't matter anymore.
But that that's what has me has me most scared
going in. I mean, you said the defense has been
lights out as as I understand it, I had not
really gotten to see them play much. But as I
as I understand it, that's, uh, you know what what
we need to fear right now. And that offense did
not look great against the the Broncos. Again, that was
(44:37):
the weather was was nasty. But I think right now
he's Rogers is really only comfortable throwing Alan Lazard. I
think like he's still learning everybody else and and that,
so you know that going up against the real solid
defense would give me pause. But it's that storyline, man,
that's that's that storyline of like the Donald revenge game,
(44:57):
you know, makes me want to puke just think about it.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Well, let's let's make sure the storyline of the Aaron
Rodgers breakout is week six.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Okay, yeah, yeah, how about we play you know no nobody,
you know, no star, no superstar performances.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
I'll come down to a field home point flip.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
We'll see how it happens and maybe the storylines can
can resume next week.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
You're king, dude.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Thank you love it man, Thanks a love.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Thanks again to Kevin Clancy for joining the show, and
thank you to all of you for joining the show. Also,
huge shout out to Ticketmaster, the official ticket marketplace of
the Minnesota Vikings, for helping make this show happen. Hey,
and we're off next week during the bye, so we'll
see you Viking fans all again in two weeks
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