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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Apogee Production.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I'm Mickey Fisher, and welcome to the Village Crazy Lady.
People are talking to me and they are not physically
in this room, so just strap in for that. Can't
call me crazy, so I said it first. Whoever's try
to come through, whatever messages need to come through, like,
just bring it on.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Crazy Crazy Crazy the Village Crazy Lay Podcast. Hallo, gorgeous Legends,
and welcome to another episode of the Village Crazy Lady today.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm all by my lonesome. It's just little old me
by myself.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
This is actually going to be a musical podcast, just
kind of like in Gray's Anatomy, where there's like, you know,
a musical episode.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
This is going to be a musical episode.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's not actually, I'm kidding, although it is kind of
has like a musical theme to it, but I'm not
going to be singing the whole thing. So just don't
turn don't turn it off just yet. I will be talking.
It will be spoken, it will be the spoken word.
There's this something that I've been wanting to do an
episode on for quite a while and it's just been
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niggling and niggling and niggling and my guides have been
on my dick about doing this, and eventually they were like,
come on, we just.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Have to do this episode. We just need to talk
about this this theme because.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
For me personally, it is quite a big theme in
my life and I think probably a lot of people
will be able to relate to it, and especially women,
but I guess everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And so today we are going.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
To be talking about goodness, goodness and the concept of
goodness and what it means to be good. Now I'm
going to be kind of using and it's interesting because
I feel like a lot of people actually haven't been
talking about this, or I personally haven't seen anyone speak
to this at all. I am a musical theater girly
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through and through. Yes, I can see the dead, but
I also can tell you every single Tony Winner of
all time, and I know every single word to every
single musical and it is my soul's work just to
sing it, not do it just for myself. And if
you follow me on Instagram, you'll know that I'm.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Especially a wicked girl.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Like I've seen the stage show eight times. I saw
the musical twice before it was even properly out, and
then I saw it. Like the movie I've watched a
million times since. I do enjoy me a little bit
of Wicked. I've bought every single bit of merch available,
like it's a bit, it's a bit munch, but it's not,
in my eyes, not enough. But one of my favorite
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things about Wicked and what I love it. And stay
with me here because even if you're like fuck musical theater, nerd,
one of my favorite themes of Wicked is the concept
of then what is good? Okay, if you've never seen
it before, honestly, what are you doing with your life?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Go and watch it. It's phenomenal. You can go watch
the movie.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Now, so you have no excuse. Go get it on Apple.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Watch it.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's the story before and throughout The Wizard of Oz.
And again, I grew up. The Wizard of Oz was
my favorite movie of all time. I've always wanted to
live Beyond the Rainbow and it follows the story of
the Witches, specifically the Wicked Witch of the West, who
is Alphaba the Green Witch and Glinda the Good who
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you know we all know. We know those characters very
well known, and the story basically is, you know the
fact that they were friends I've also read the book
and it sort of like delves into that even more
their friendship, and it really blurs that line of well,
then who is good because you watch the Wizard of
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Oz and you go, well, that's the bad that's the
evil witch, and Glinda's the good Witch. And I even
had a lot of people message me or call me,
my friends calling me going, I've just watched Wicket for
the first time and I'm just really confused, and I'm like, Okay,
sit down. This is my favorite subject. Like I could
do a thesis on this. And they said, I'm confused
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because I thought Glinda was the good Witch, but she's
not really that good. And I was like, sit the
fuck down, because this is my favorite subject to talk about.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
And that is the concept of goodness.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And what good really is because that movie, we have
this thing as humans, and especially like if you think
about the world at the moment and the climate of
it and everything that's sort of going on, we feel
like we have to choose a side always. There has
to be We really struggle with any type of grayness.
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And I've spoken about this before, this whole concept of
like we really need to try and encourage and push
ourselves in to starting to feel comfortable in that gray,
not within the black or the white, or you know,
the up or the down or the anything else, but
that really beautiful between space, because that's where humanness is.
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That's where humanness sits. It doesn't sit on one side
or the other. It's all there in between. But we
like to be able to have a definitive yes or
a no Ah, definitive black, or a whier definitive up
or down, And so we really struggle to sit in
that gray. We watch a movie and there's a good guy,
there's a bad guy, you know. And that's why Wicked
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is so beautiful because it pushes those constructs. It pushes
that that whole concept of their having to be a
good and a bad and it makes you go, well,
then I'm so confused, which one's the good one, which
one's the bad one. I thought that was the good
Witch and that was the bad witch.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But is the Wizard the bad guy?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Or is Glinda kind of a bit of a cunt?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Or is alphabart like? Who is who? And what is what?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
And that's what I want to talk about today, this
whole concept of goodness because I know, for me personally,
I have spent basically my whole life shackled by.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Needing to be good.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Okay, because we grow up being told especially you know,
I grew up in the church, I grew up quite
conservative and being told what a good girl is and
you've got to do this, and you've got to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
No, that's a good girl. You're a good girl. You're
a good girl. You're a good girl.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And especially as women as well, we're told, you know,
we have to be polite and ladylike and good, have
to be good. We can't get away with not being good,
and so we become.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Really just yeah, shackled.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It feels very constricting, and it feels very having to
behave in a particular way so that people think we're good.
And so, especially over the last couple of years, this
has been something that has been a very personal for me,
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trying to understand what it really means to be good,
because there comes a point where goodness isn't genuine goodness,
isn't real goodness, Like trying to be good is actually
just almost a form of deception. It's people pleasing, it's
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trying to appear good as opposed to this whatever being
good really is, because it's more important to us. And
this is none of this comes from judgment or shame
or anything else. Because girl been there or boy been there,
they then been there and still they're constantly trying to
break through this this this cycle because it is so
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important to us that people think that we are good.
It is so important to us that the people around
us go that that's a good person, because to us
that means, okay, I am a good.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Person, and that's very Glinda.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Right. So this is why I'm using Wicked as an example,
because I think it just helps put it sort of
into play. Whereas Alphabarra is more doesn't give a fuck
about whether or not people think that she is good
or she's not good. She's just about doing the right
thing at the right time. She's about helping the minority.
She's about helping people who need help, as opposed to
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really considering whether or not she comes across as good
or bad. And so which one is good? Because Glinda
also does good things, but is her intention to do
those good things, you know, as she said, out of
the goodness of my heart, also that people look at
her and go, that's a good person. And so it's
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interesting to go, well, which one really am I? And
again not in a judgmental way, not in a shameful way,
just in a very curious which one am I? Because
I know for me, I sat there and I went, oh,
I'm Glinda. I'm one hundred percent Glinda. I'm really really
terrified of stepping outside of that coat of goodness because
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then what if people don't think that I'm good anymore?
But that code of goodness is stopping me one from
my being authentic and two from actually doing anything real,
because all of it's basically a facade. Like of course,
there's a genuine part to it, and there's there's heart
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to it, but there's also a lot that is just
me basically performing the other element of this, of course.
And I think this is always so so, so so
so important, and something that I encourage anybody of privilege
to do is to constantly, constantly, not just once, but
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constantly be questioning your own privilege and really understand that
construct because it is a construct and it's something that
you benefit from. And again same with Glinda in the movie.
She is a white, privileged, you know girl, which in
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a bubble whatever it is, and so she benefits from
the system that oppresses others, but there's also a part
of her that is able to and this is where
like that greatness comes in, where she's able to use
the system to also do good and to help people.
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But she doesn't get villified for it like Alphabet does.
Because Alphaba looks like a villain. She's already someone who
has been villified in the world regardless. And so as
soon as someone goes that's a bad person, everyone goes well,
of course, So constantly be questioning and not questioning. Sorry,
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let me say that again. Constantly be challenging your own privilege.
Constantly be challenging the ease that you have and how
easy it is for you to be like to come
across as good a lot of the time simply because
of your privilege. There are a lot of minorities in
this world who do not have that privilege. They get
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vilified regardless, before they even open their mouth, they're vilified,
and so they have to step into that a lot
of the time, the same that Alphabet did. And this
brings another element to it. Right, So we've spoken about
how you know, really what is goodness?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Like when I was talking.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
To Spirit about this they just kept reiterating, And this
is what they've been saying to me for such a
long time, because it's something that has consumed me, because
my intention is to do good in the world, is
to be able to help. But sometimes the reality is,
it doesn't matter how much you're wanting to help people.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
You're gonna fuck up.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You're gonna do things, you're gonna miss people, you're gonna
miss groups, you're going to you cannot be everything at once,
and you're going to I'm a human being and I'm
going to fuck up sometimes. But then when you have
those fuck ups and you start sitting there going, well,
am I even a good person?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
What if I'm not a good person? What if I'm
a bad person?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
What if I'm not? And then you start going down
this absolute spiral, And then the thing that comes across
is more important to you is whether or not people
think you're good, and not whether or not you're doing
good work, because there's nothing wrong with fucking up. There
is nothing wrong with fucking up, and there is so
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much freedom and when you can get to a point
where it's actually okay to be the villain sometimes and
I mean this in like your work whether you're doing
massive work, whether you're doing whatever it is, and like
how you show up in the world. I'm also talking
about the relationships in your life as well, because it
is impossible to please every single person. And I know
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again for me, I was like, everyone needs to think
that I'm a good person. Every single person I come across,
I want them to be able to go, Michayla's so nice,
michaela so lovely, Mikayla does this, Mikayla does that, And
that's stressful because am I being genuine? Am I being honest?
If like my obsession is making sure that people are
like cross like when they're talking to each other, their
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same story is Mikayla's a fucking legend and she's lovely.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
When the reality is is.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That you're gonna be the bad guy in some people's
stories sometimes, because otherwise, what boundaries do you have if
you're not gonna say no sometimes, if you're not going
to sit there and go, hey, I don't appreciate being
treated like that, or you don't get to do that
to me, or unfortunately, you know, I have to make
this decision, or I have to do this for myself
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or whatever else.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
For my family.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Whatever it is, you're gonna be the bad guy in
people's story, and that's okay.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's really okay.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I find a lot of peace in it, especially when
I am okay with people being, you know, the bad
guy in my story. And instead of looking at it
that way and sitting there going fuck that person, they
ruined my life. They're such camp theyre blah blah blah blah,
I just look at it as though, well, that's just
part of life. Part of life is that we have
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people that come in and out of our lives. And
I'm not perfect. We both learn a lot from each other.
And there was things that I did and things that
they did and whatever else. And instead of just looking
at like them versus you, and there has to be
a good and a bad. There has to be a
villain and there has to be a fucking hero.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
What if it's just that's just how it is.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And we all have the capacity for lack of a
better term, goodness and badness in all of us. You know,
obviously there's like a complete other level of it where
you start going down the line of well, how about
people who do seriously bad, damaging, hurtful, murderous, horrendous things.
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I'm not talking about that today because we just don't
have the time of capacity for that. But I'm just
talking about the general of us who sit there obsessive
about goodness, about being good, being good in the world,
putting good in the world, being a good person, and
everyone has to think that I'm a good person. It's
okay to be the villain. Sometimes, it's okay to fuck up.
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Sometimes it's okay to not always be good all the time,
because they're really a freedom comes from that, and the
freedom is authenticity. The freedom is being able to be
authentic and be okay with fucking up, be okay with
being the bad friend and going, you know what, I did,
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fuck that up or you know what, like that wasn't
serving me either, and that's okay. And if they think
that I'm a bad person because of it, that's fine,
because how do I feel. I feel good, I feel free,
I feel authentic, I feel real.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I don't feel like.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I'm having to constantly put something on. I'm not pandering
simply because I don't want them to think that I'm.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
A bad person. Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I just think that there's so much of us that
we miss out on because we're so obsessed with being
good and coming across as a good person that we
miss out on all the realness of us the point
of being here. And this is what they like, what
they were saying. They're like, the point isn't to be
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in this good or bad because like both of those
spectrums don't necessarily exist, especially this whole the goodness spectrum.
If we were to put if we were to create
a genuine spectrum that went from you know, ultimate goodness
to ultimate evil, what we think goodness is. And this
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is what's it's saying. They're like, it's not as high
on the good spectrum as you think it is because
it's not real.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It's not real.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Like a lot of the time good isn't real often
that's like a lot of the time good is often
laced in deception and manipulation and there's not really that
much real about it. What is real intentions, honesty, And
this is like within ourselves and then obviously outside of
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ourselves as well. And they said, we have to, especially
in this climate when we're being pulled into feeling like
we have to choose a villain and a hero in
all sorts of ways, shapes and forms. There has to
be a black and white, there has to be a
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blue and a red. There has to be these opposing
sides always, because what happened when all of those options
are constantly given to you where it's like even I
was having a conversation with someone yesterday about gender and
they were saying, you know, but like biologically there's only
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men and women, and I was like, well, not really,
because how that intersects people. And they're like, yeah, but
such in this and that's not all the time and
that's but I'm like, yeah, but that's still a gray space.
And also, isn't it interesting that we just feel like
it's not it's really And I've said this before, and
like people can have their opinions, they can say what
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they want, but this is what I've channeled and what
I have seen. And when I speak to galactics, they
laugh at humans obsession with gender because it really is
a complete construct.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
But it goes beyond like the fact that people.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Are spending time and energy fighting over those things when
it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to you because it's
not you like, you know, you're fine, You're okay, if
you know, that's fine, And then wasting more energy on
that then going, hey, is everyone okay? Do you feel loved?
Do you feel looked after? Do you feel safe in yourself?
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There are so many people in this world who are
so unsafe, crazy that that's not our highest priority above
anything else. They keep like mentioning They've said it last year,
and it's still coming up. Like, notice the hypocrisies constantly everywhere.
Notice the hypocrisies. There's no wrong or right, like this
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obsession with like this is wrong and this is right.
That's just it's not real. Nobody died and made you
the decider. We don't get to decide for others. We
don't get to decide if you think that you have
something that makes you bigger and better than everybody else.
I'm telling you right now that you.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Sure, or shoot, don't.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
We are on this s same fucking playing field. We
know as little as everybody else. And so instead and like, sure,
be curious, challenge yourself, challenge others, have conversations. For sure,
we're here to do that kind of thing, But that
energy can be going into so much other stuff, things
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that like you know, are gonna help, Like how can
I help make someone's life better? How can I help
make someone's day? How can I help somebody be safer
when they're unsafe? Okay, so they said, stop and ask
yourself whether you are choosing a side when there isn't one,
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when all the noise is going on, when you feel
like you have to choose a side, And again, this isn't,
this isn't. This doesn't mean be complacent, This doesn't mean
do nothing. This doesn't mean never stand up for people.
It's very much the opposite. It's absolutely the people who
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lose the most, who have suffered the most, who have
experienced the most. And like I've said this before and
I'll say it again, especially indigenous people. We need to
be listening to indigenous people now more men ever, now
more than ever. So stop and ask yourself whether you
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are choosing a side when there isn't one, and instead
just listen. Listen before you feel like you have to
have an opinion on something that you have decided is
the right way, when no one died and made you
the decider. Okay, it's going to be a lot more.
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You're going to feel a lot more peace, and you're
going to feel a lot more. It creates so much
like tension and hurt and pain in our chest, in
our throat, in our body. Is that anger and like
that anger, like, who is it really directed at? Where
is it really going? What are you angry about? If
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there's anything that we should be angry about, it's people
who are like hurting, people who are suffering, people who
are unsafe, and if you are in a position of privilege,
help those people. Okay, I've said it a million times,
Like being spiritual isn't about trying to escape being human.
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It's not being better than. It's not bypassing, it's not
going new. But we're all just love and light. Because again,
if we're putting that on the goodness scale, it's not
very fucking high up loving and lighting your way out
of being human. It's not goodness, it's not real. It's
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manipulation and it's deception, mostly to yourself more than anybody else.
So if we can start to just ground into one
being okay with being the villain, sometimes being okay with
being unliked.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Like think about all the people.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
This is, like I know, for me, such a wake
up call and such a like obviously I've done things
that people have like not liked and I've had trolls,
and I've had all of that, and it's an awful feeling.
It's a horrible feeling. And I spend a lot of
time avoiding doing anything because I didn't want that feeling.
So I would play really really really really safe, and
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I would say as little as possible.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I'd go very bare minimum. I'd just try.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I didn't want to, like cause new dramas. I just
didn't want that feeling that's sinking, horrible feeling when people
start going out to you on the internet about like yeah,
a bad this and blah blah blah and fuck you
and you know all of those things that come with,
you know, being online. But then I thought about and
this is and like I was telling my husband about
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this yesterday and I was like, now, look, I know
this sounds outrageous. And I was telling one of my
best friend who like me, is obsessed with Wicked, and
I remember there was this moment when it came out
in the movies, and I said to him, I was like,
I feel like I'm at a crossroads right now where
I get to choose whether I be Glinda or whether
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I be Alphaba. I can either take the road where
I stay likable and I stay palatable, and I stay
out of the way a little bit, and I don't
ruffle any feathers and I'm just, you know, float around
in a pink fucking bubble. Or I choose to be
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Alphaba and I do the scary thing. I get really
uncomfortable for a moment, I throw myself in the lin sten.
I'd be okay with the fact that people aren't going
to like me and people are going to have things
to say about but I'm able to do a lot
more and I'm being truthful and I'm being honest to myself,
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and I'm probably going to fuck it up and I'm
going to do things wrong sometimes, but I'm also just
gonna have to be okay with that as well. But
I had to really make that choice, and I know
that's very musical theater coded and such a musical theater
coded choice to make, But those archetypes really inspired me
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in that moment and in those crossroads where I could
really see the two of them, and I could see
the difference that both of them made. And I know
when I watched the movie, and I know when I
and I'm like the first time you see the musical,
and often people are sitting there going, why didn't Glinda
get on the broom? Why didn't she go with Alphaba?
And it's more complex than that, but I didn't want
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to be sitting there going why didn't I get on
the broom? When especially, there are so many people who
have no choice but to constantly be in that state.
They don't get to choose whether or not their glinder
or their alphaba. They were born alphaba and they deal
with it every single fucking day, and they shouldn't have to.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So I get a choice.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So why would I not put myself in the firing
line as well, whether or not that's likable, whether or
not I come across as some good fucking witch, Like
maybe I am the witch that's you know, green, but
I would rather be that. And so I want to
challenge you, guys and.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Everybody, which witch are you? Which witch?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Which witch are you? Which archetype are you? Who do
you want to be? Are you shackled by your goodness?
Are you feeling like you're having to constantly sort of
perform for people and say yes to things you don't
really want to say yes too? When you feel like
your throat chakra is just dying because there's so much
that you want to say, and so much you want
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to stand up to your about, and so much realness
inside of you, but it feels like you're so scared
of not being liked, You're so scared of not being good.
It's super freeing. It is super freeing. And we're not
going to change the word a revolution. You know, we're
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talking about how this year is like a revolutionary year.
We're moving into such a revolutionary time where we make
change to the world and we change it for our
for the generations to come, not just our children, not
just their children, their children and their children and their children.
What we do now is what's going to change that.
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How involved do you want to be? Do you want
to just skate through life? Or because obviously this is
a very wicked heavy episode dancing through Are you just
going to dance through life? I mean, personally, I do
dance through life. But are you just going to skatee
through not fully ever being honest because you're just too
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afraid of what the consequences might be, Or are you
gonna go fuck? It doesn't really matter. People aren't gonna
like you. That's just the reality of it.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
There's heaps of people out there.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I can guarantee you there are people who don't like
You can guarantee you that there are people that don't
like me heaps, and good for them. They get to
make a choice. I don't have to be liked by everyone,
and it's so freeing to say that I don't have
to be liked by everyone. I'm not liked by everyone.
That's okay. There's eight billion people in the world. There's
so many other people to choose from. So challenge yourself.
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Challenge yourself to be the alphaba. And if you don't
know what the fuck I'm talking about, please, for the
love of God, go watch Wicked and then re listen
to this and it will probably make a whole lot
more sense. Even just watch like a synopsis or something.
Read up on it, get the concept. Okay, But I
do recommend watching it because it's amazing, and then you
can message me, we can talk about it, because I
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will always talk about Wicked anyway. Thank you so much, guys.
I know that was a bit of a different episode,
but as I said, fuck being lied. I'm just letting
that throat chakra throat chakra. She's coming out and we
emerging all parts of myself. Thank you for listening to
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and welcome to another episode of the Village Crazy Lady today.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm all by my lonesome. It's just little old me
by myself.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
This is actually going to be a musical podcast, just
kind of like in Gray's Anatomy, where there's like, you know,
a musical episode.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
This is going to be a musical episode.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's not actually, I'm kidding, although it is kind of
has like a musical theme to it, but I'm not
going to be singing the whole thing. So just don't
turn don't turn it off just yet. I will be talking.
It will be spoken, it will be the spoken word.
There's this something that I've been wanting to do an
episode on for quite a while and it's just been
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niggling and niggling and niggling and my guides have been
on my dick about doing this, and eventually they were like,
come on, we just.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Have to do this episode. We just need to talk
about this this theme because.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
For me personally, it is quite a big theme in
my life and I think probably a lot of people
will be able to relate to it, and especially women,
but I guess everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And so today we are going.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
To be talking about goodness, goodness and the concept of
goodness and what it means to be good. Now I'm
going to be kind of using and it's interesting because
I feel like a lot of people actually haven't been
talking about this, or I personally haven't seen anyone speak
to this at all. I am a musical theater girly
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through and through. Yes, I can see the dead, but
I also can tell you every single Tony Winner of
all time, and I know every single word to every
single musical and it is my soul's work just to
sing it, not do it just for myself. And if
you follow me on Instagram, you'll know that I'm.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Especially a wicked girl.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Like I've seen the stage show eight times. I saw
the musical twice before it was even properly out, and
then I saw it. Like the movie I've watched a
million times since. I do enjoy me a little bit
of Wicked. I've bought every single bit of merch available,
like it's a bit, it's a bit munch, but it's not,
in my eyes, not enough. But one of my favorite
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things about Wicked and what I love it. And stay
with me here because even if you're like fuck musical theater, nerd,
one of my favorite themes of Wicked is the concept
of then what is good? Okay, if you've never seen
it before, honestly, what are you doing with your life?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Go and watch it. It's phenomenal. You can go watch
the movie.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Now, so you have no excuse. Go get it on Apple.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Watch it.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's the story before and throughout The Wizard of Oz.
And again, I grew up. The Wizard of Oz was
my favorite movie of all time. I've always wanted to
live Beyond the Rainbow and it follows the story of
the Witches, specifically the Wicked Witch of the West, who
is Alphaba the Green Witch and Glinda the Good who
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you know we all know. We know those characters very
well known, and the story basically is, you know the
fact that they were friends I've also read the book
and it sort of like delves into that even more
their friendship, and it really blurs that line of well,
then who is good because you watch the Wizard of
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Oz and you go, well, that's the bad that's the
evil witch, and Glinda's the good Witch. And I even
had a lot of people message me or call me,
my friends calling me going, I've just watched Wicket for
the first time and I'm just really confused, and I'm like, Okay,
sit down. This is my favorite subject. Like I could
do a thesis on this. And they said, I'm confused
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because I thought Glinda was the good Witch, but she's
not really that good. And I was like, sit the
fuck down, because this is my favorite subject to talk about.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
And that is the concept of goodness.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And what good really is because that movie, we have
this thing as humans, and especially like if you think
about the world at the moment and the climate of
it and everything that's sort of going on, we feel
like we have to choose a side always. There has
to be We really struggle with any type of grayness.
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And I've spoken about this before, this whole concept of
like we really need to try and encourage and push
ourselves in to starting to feel comfortable in that gray,
not within the black or the white, or you know,
the up or the down or the anything else, but
that really beautiful between space, because that's where humanness is.
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That's where humanness sits. It doesn't sit on one side
or the other. It's all there in between. But we
like to be able to have a definitive yes or
a no Ah, definitive black, or a whier definitive up
or down, And so we really struggle to sit in
that gray. We watch a movie and there's a good guy,
there's a bad guy, you know. And that's why Wicked
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is so beautiful because it pushes those constructs. It pushes
that that whole concept of their having to be a
good and a bad and it makes you go, well,
then I'm so confused, which one's the good one, which
one's the bad one. I thought that was the good
Witch and that was the bad witch.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
But is the Wizard the bad guy?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Or is Glinda kind of a bit of a cunt?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Or is alphabart like? Who is who? And what is what?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
And that's what I want to talk about today, this
whole concept of goodness because I know, for me personally,
I have spent basically my whole life shackled by.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Needing to be good.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Okay, because we grow up being told especially you know,
I grew up in the church, I grew up quite
conservative and being told what a good girl is and
you've got to do this, and you've got to do that.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
No, that's a good girl. You're a good girl. You're
a good girl. You're a good girl.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
And especially as women as well, we're told, you know,
we have to be polite and ladylike and good, have
to be good. We can't get away with not being good,
and so we become.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Really just yeah, shackled.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It feels very constricting, and it feels very having to
behave in a particular way so that people think we're good.
And so, especially over the last couple of years, this
has been something that has been a very personal for me,
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trying to understand what it really means to be good,
because there comes a point where goodness isn't genuine goodness,
isn't real goodness, Like trying to be good is actually
just almost a form of deception. It's people pleasing, it's
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trying to appear good as opposed to this whatever being
good really is, because it's more important to us. And
this is none of this comes from judgment or shame
or anything else. Because girl been there or boy been there,
they then been there and still they're constantly trying to
break through this this this cycle because it is so
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important to us that people think that we are good.
It is so important to us that the people around
us go that that's a good person, because to us
that means, okay, I am a good.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Person, and that's very Glinda.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Right. So this is why I'm using Wicked as an example,
because I think it just helps put it sort of
into play. Whereas Alphabarra is more doesn't give a fuck
about whether or not people think that she is good
or she's not good. She's just about doing the right
thing at the right time. She's about helping the minority.
She's about helping people who need help, as opposed to
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really considering whether or not she comes across as good
or bad. And so which one is good? Because Glinda
also does good things, but is her intention to do
those good things, you know, as she said, out of
the goodness of my heart, also that people look at
her and go, that's a good person. And so it's
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interesting to go, well, which one really am I? And
again not in a judgmental way, not in a shameful way,
just in a very curious which one am I? Because
I know for me, I sat there and I went, oh,
I'm Glinda. I'm one hundred percent Glinda. I'm really really
terrified of stepping outside of that coat of goodness because
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then what if people don't think that I'm good anymore?
But that code of goodness is stopping me one from
my being authentic and two from actually doing anything real,
because all of it's basically a facade. Like of course,
there's a genuine part to it, and there's there's heart
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to it, but there's also a lot that is just
me basically performing the other element of this, of course.
And I think this is always so so, so so
so important, and something that I encourage anybody of privilege
to do is to constantly, constantly, not just once, but
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constantly be questioning your own privilege and really understand that
construct because it is a construct and it's something that
you benefit from. And again same with Glinda in the movie.
She is a white, privileged, you know girl, which in
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a bubble whatever it is, and so she benefits from
the system that oppresses others, but there's also a part
of her that is able to and this is where
like that greatness comes in, where she's able to use
the system to also do good and to help people.
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But she doesn't get villified for it like Alphabet does.
Because Alphaba looks like a villain. She's already someone who
has been villified in the world regardless. And so as
soon as someone goes that's a bad person, everyone goes well,
of course, So constantly be questioning and not questioning. Sorry,
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let me say that again. Constantly be challenging your own privilege.
Constantly be challenging the ease that you have and how
easy it is for you to be like to come
across as good a lot of the time simply because
of your privilege. There are a lot of minorities in
this world who do not have that privilege. They get
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vilified regardless, before they even open their mouth, they're vilified,
and so they have to step into that a lot
of the time, the same that Alphabet did. And this
brings another element to it. Right, So we've spoken about
how you know, really what is goodness?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Like when I was talking.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
To Spirit about this they just kept reiterating, And this
is what they've been saying to me for such a
long time, because it's something that has consumed me, because
my intention is to do good in the world, is
to be able to help. But sometimes the reality is,
it doesn't matter how much you're wanting to help people.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
You're gonna fuck up.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You're gonna do things, you're gonna miss people, you're gonna
miss groups, you're going to you cannot be everything at once,
and you're going to I'm a human being and I'm
going to fuck up sometimes. But then when you have
those fuck ups and you start sitting there going, well,
am I even a good person?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
What if I'm not a good person? What if I'm
a bad person?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
What if I'm not? And then you start going down
this absolute spiral, And then the thing that comes across
is more important to you is whether or not people
think you're good, and not whether or not you're doing
good work, because there's nothing wrong with fucking up. There
is nothing wrong with fucking up, and there is so
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much freedom and when you can get to a point
where it's actually okay to be the villain sometimes and
I mean this in like your work whether you're doing
massive work, whether you're doing whatever it is, and like
how you show up in the world. I'm also talking
about the relationships in your life as well, because it
is impossible to please every single person. And I know
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again for me, I was like, everyone needs to think
that I'm a good person. Every single person I come across,
I want them to be able to go, Michayla's so nice,
michaela so lovely, Mikayla does this, Mikayla does that, And
that's stressful because am I being genuine? Am I being honest?
If like my obsession is making sure that people are
like cross like when they're talking to each other, their
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same story is Mikayla's a fucking legend and she's lovely.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
When the reality is is.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That you're gonna be the bad guy in some people's
stories sometimes, because otherwise, what boundaries do you have if
you're not gonna say no sometimes, if you're not going
to sit there and go, hey, I don't appreciate being
treated like that, or you don't get to do that
to me, or unfortunately, you know, I have to make
this decision, or I have to do this for myself
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or whatever else.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
For my family.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Whatever it is, you're gonna be the bad guy in
people's story, and that's okay.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
It's really okay.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I find a lot of peace in it, especially when
I am okay with people being, you know, the bad
guy in my story. And instead of looking at it
that way and sitting there going fuck that person, they
ruined my life. They're such camp theyre blah blah blah blah,
I just look at it as though, well, that's just
part of life. Part of life is that we have
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people that come in and out of our lives. And
I'm not perfect. We both learn a lot from each other.
And there was things that I did and things that
they did and whatever else. And instead of just looking
at like them versus you, and there has to be
a good and a bad. There has to be a
villain and there has to be a fucking hero.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
What if it's just that's just how it is.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And we all have the capacity for lack of a
better term, goodness and badness in all of us. You know,
obviously there's like a complete other level of it where
you start going down the line of well, how about
people who do seriously bad, damaging, hurtful, murderous, horrendous things.
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I'm not talking about that today because we just don't
have the time of capacity for that. But I'm just
talking about the general of us who sit there obsessive
about goodness, about being good, being good in the world,
putting good in the world, being a good person, and
everyone has to think that I'm a good person. It's
okay to be the villain. Sometimes, it's okay to fuck up.
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Sometimes it's okay to not always be good all the time,
because they're really a freedom comes from that, and the
freedom is authenticity. The freedom is being able to be
authentic and be okay with fucking up, be okay with
being the bad friend and going, you know what, I did,
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fuck that up or you know what, like that wasn't
serving me either, and that's okay. And if they think
that I'm a bad person because of it, that's fine,
because how do I feel. I feel good, I feel free,
I feel authentic, I feel real.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I don't feel like.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I'm having to constantly put something on. I'm not pandering
simply because I don't want them to think that I'm.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
A bad person. Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I just think that there's so much of us that
we miss out on because we're so obsessed with being
good and coming across as a good person that we
miss out on all the realness of us the point
of being here. And this is what they like, what
they were saying. They're like, the point isn't to be
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in this good or bad because like both of those
spectrums don't necessarily exist, especially this whole the goodness spectrum.
If we were to put if we were to create
a genuine spectrum that went from you know, ultimate goodness
to ultimate evil, what we think goodness is. And this
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is what's it's saying. They're like, it's not as high
on the good spectrum as you think it is because
it's not real.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It's not real.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Like a lot of the time good isn't real often
that's like a lot of the time good is often
laced in deception and manipulation and there's not really that
much real about it. What is real intentions, honesty, And
this is like within ourselves and then obviously outside of
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ourselves as well. And they said, we have to, especially
in this climate when we're being pulled into feeling like
we have to choose a villain and a hero in
all sorts of ways, shapes and forms. There has to
be a black and white, there has to be a
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blue and a red. There has to be these opposing
sides always, because what happened when all of those options
are constantly given to you where it's like even I
was having a conversation with someone yesterday about gender and
they were saying, you know, but like biologically there's only
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men and women, and I was like, well, not really,
because how that intersects people. And they're like, yeah, but
such in this and that's not all the time and
that's but I'm like, yeah, but that's still a gray space.
And also, isn't it interesting that we just feel like
it's not it's really And I've said this before, and
like people can have their opinions, they can say what
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they want, but this is what I've channeled and what
I have seen. And when I speak to galactics, they
laugh at humans obsession with gender because it really is
a complete construct.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
But it goes beyond like the fact that people.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Are spending time and energy fighting over those things when
it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to you because it's
not you like, you know, you're fine, You're okay, if
you know, that's fine, And then wasting more energy on
that then going, hey, is everyone okay? Do you feel loved?
Do you feel looked after? Do you feel safe in yourself?
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There are so many people in this world who are
so unsafe, crazy that that's not our highest priority above
anything else. They keep like mentioning They've said it last year,
and it's still coming up. Like, notice the hypocrisies constantly everywhere.
Notice the hypocrisies. There's no wrong or right, like this
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obsession with like this is wrong and this is right.
That's just it's not real. Nobody died and made you
the decider. We don't get to decide for others. We
don't get to decide if you think that you have
something that makes you bigger and better than everybody else.
I'm telling you right now that you.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Sure, or shoot, don't.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
We are on this s same fucking playing field. We
know as little as everybody else. And so instead and like, sure,
be curious, challenge yourself, challenge others, have conversations. For sure,
we're here to do that kind of thing, But that
energy can be going into so much other stuff, things
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that like you know, are gonna help, Like how can
I help make someone's life better? How can I help
make someone's day? How can I help somebody be safer
when they're unsafe? Okay, so they said, stop and ask
yourself whether you are choosing a side when there isn't one,
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when all the noise is going on, when you feel
like you have to choose a side, And again, this isn't,
this isn't. This doesn't mean be complacent, This doesn't mean
do nothing. This doesn't mean never stand up for people.
It's very much the opposite. It's absolutely the people who
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lose the most, who have suffered the most, who have
experienced the most. And like I've said this before and
I'll say it again, especially indigenous people. We need to
be listening to indigenous people now more men ever, now
more than ever. So stop and ask yourself whether you
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are choosing a side when there isn't one, and instead
just listen. Listen before you feel like you have to
have an opinion on something that you have decided is
the right way, when no one died and made you
the decider. Okay, it's going to be a lot more.
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You're going to feel a lot more peace, and you're
going to feel a lot more. It creates so much
like tension and hurt and pain in our chest, in
our throat, in our body. Is that anger and like
that anger, like, who is it really directed at? Where
is it really going? What are you angry about? If
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there's anything that we should be angry about, it's people
who are like hurting, people who are suffering, people who
are unsafe, and if you are in a position of privilege,
help those people. Okay, I've said it a million times,
Like being spiritual isn't about trying to escape being human.
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It's not being better than. It's not bypassing, it's not
going new. But we're all just love and light. Because again,
if we're putting that on the goodness scale, it's not
very fucking high up loving and lighting your way out
of being human. It's not goodness, it's not real. It's
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manipulation and it's deception, mostly to yourself more than anybody else.
So if we can start to just ground into one
being okay with being the villain, sometimes being okay with
being unliked.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Like think about all the people.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
This is, like I know, for me, such a wake
up call and such a like obviously I've done things
that people have like not liked and I've had trolls,
and I've had all of that, and it's an awful feeling.
It's a horrible feeling. And I spend a lot of
time avoiding doing anything because I didn't want that feeling.
So I would play really really really really safe, and
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I would say as little as possible.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
I'd go very bare minimum. I'd just try.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I didn't want to, like cause new dramas. I just
didn't want that feeling that's sinking, horrible feeling when people
start going out to you on the internet about like yeah,
a bad this and blah blah blah and fuck you
and you know all of those things that come with,
you know, being online. But then I thought about and
this is and like I was telling my husband about
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this yesterday and I was like, now, look, I know
this sounds outrageous. And I was telling one of my
best friend who like me, is obsessed with Wicked, and
I remember there was this moment when it came out
in the movies, and I said to him, I was like,
I feel like I'm at a crossroads right now where
I get to choose whether I be Glinda or whether
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I be Alphaba. I can either take the road where
I stay likable and I stay palatable, and I stay
out of the way a little bit, and I don't
ruffle any feathers and I'm just, you know, float around
in a pink fucking bubble. Or I choose to be
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Alphaba and I do the scary thing. I get really
uncomfortable for a moment, I throw myself in the lin sten.
I'd be okay with the fact that people aren't going
to like me and people are going to have things
to say about but I'm able to do a lot
more and I'm being truthful and I'm being honest to myself,
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and I'm probably going to fuck it up and I'm
going to do things wrong sometimes, but I'm also just
gonna have to be okay with that as well. But
I had to really make that choice, and I know
that's very musical theater coded and such a musical theater
coded choice to make, But those archetypes really inspired me
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in that moment and in those crossroads where I could
really see the two of them, and I could see
the difference that both of them made. And I know
when I watched the movie, and I know when I
and I'm like the first time you see the musical,
and often people are sitting there going, why didn't Glinda
get on the broom? Why didn't she go with Alphaba?
And it's more complex than that, but I didn't want
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to be sitting there going why didn't I get on
the broom? When especially, there are so many people who
have no choice but to constantly be in that state.
They don't get to choose whether or not their glinder
or their alphaba. They were born alphaba and they deal
with it every single fucking day, and they shouldn't have to.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So I get a choice.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So why would I not put myself in the firing
line as well, whether or not that's likable, whether or
not I come across as some good fucking witch, Like
maybe I am the witch that's you know, green, but
I would rather be that. And so I want to
challenge you, guys and.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Everybody, which witch are you? Which witch?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Which witch are you? Which archetype are you? Who do
you want to be? Are you shackled by your goodness?
Are you feeling like you're having to constantly sort of
perform for people and say yes to things you don't
really want to say yes too? When you feel like
your throat chakra is just dying because there's so much
that you want to say, and so much you want
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to stand up to your about, and so much realness
inside of you, but it feels like you're so scared
of not being liked, You're so scared of not being good.
It's super freeing. It is super freeing. And we're not
going to change the word a revolution. You know, we're
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talking about how this year is like a revolutionary year.
We're moving into such a revolutionary time where we make
change to the world and we change it for our
for the generations to come, not just our children, not
just their children, their children and their children and their children.
What we do now is what's going to change that.
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How involved do you want to be? Do you want
to just skate through life? Or because obviously this is
a very wicked heavy episode dancing through Are you just
going to dance through life? I mean, personally, I do
dance through life. But are you just going to skatee
through not fully ever being honest because you're just too
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afraid of what the consequences might be, Or are you
gonna go fuck? It doesn't really matter. People aren't gonna
like you. That's just the reality of it.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
There's heaps of people out there.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I can guarantee you there are people who don't like
You can guarantee you that there are people that don't
like me heaps, and good for them. They get to
make a choice. I don't have to be liked by everyone,
and it's so freeing to say that I don't have
to be liked by everyone. I'm not liked by everyone.
That's okay. There's eight billion people in the world. There's
so many other people to choose from. So challenge yourself.
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Challenge yourself to be the alphaba. And if you don't
know what the fuck I'm talking about, please, for the
love of God, go watch Wicked and then re listen
to this and it will probably make a whole lot
more sense. Even just watch like a synopsis or something.
Read up on it, get the concept. Okay, But I
do recommend watching it because it's amazing, and then you
can message me, we can talk about it, because I
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will always talk about Wicked anyway. Thank you so much, guys.
I know that was a bit of a different episode,
but as I said, fuck being lied. I'm just letting
that throat chakra throat chakra. She's coming out and we
emerging all parts of myself. Thank you for listening to
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