January 31, 2025 • 49 mins
Logan Paulsen and JAG Jason are joined by PFF's Lead Draft Analyst Trevor Sikkema to recap the Senior Bowl by sharing who they thought were monsters, just okay, and needs to show us more headed into the NFL Combine in a few short weeks.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In today's episode of Tick to the Draft podcast, the
Senior Bowl is over, but as a parting gift to you,
the fans, the consistent listeners, we give you names of
guys that have been here doing their things for the
last three days that we might not have mex mentioned,
so make sure you check that out. And then we
are joined by Trevor Sikhima, lead draft analysts for PFF.
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We talked about guys that could have had a better week,
guys that had a solid week, and the dogs, the studs,
the guys that really made money for themselves down here
in Mobile, Alabama. But while we're talking, we have a
huge disagreement about one guy who might go top fifteen.
That all starts right now. Welcome on into the Ticket
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of the Draft podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with just
the guy Jason, and Day three of the Senior Bowl
is completed, which means our time down here is done.
We've done it. We've done it all three days and
it was and this was kind of a fun Senior Bowl,
I think for me anyway, because it was a bunch
of guys that maybe didn't have like the name recognition
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that like of last year's Senior Bowl for example. Like
we were kind of talking through that there's ten first
round draft picks all this stuff, but there was a
lot of guys that kind of jumped off the jumped
off the practice field and really made you take notice.
And it was really cool to kind of to get
some stuff confirmed about some guys that we weren't sure about,
but also kind of meet some players and kind of
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see how they they operate and what kind of and
if they could be professional players for example.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, and this one, this Senior Bowl specifically, is going
to It's really got me excited for the rest of
this process. Right last year we came in, I kind of,
like you said, there was name recognition, you kind of
knew some of these guys. This year that name recognition
wasn't there. So I was seeing a lot of these
guys with fresh eyes. So I'm excited to go watch
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their film and get ready for the combine and what
leads up there. So let's talk about some of these
guys that we saw this week.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yes, so you know today a guy was like going
through the list and going through my notes, and a
guy that we've we saw today that did a really
nice job and has really had a very solid week,
but kind of maybe not the instagram worthy week. Is
Landon Jackson from Arkansas. He's six five and a half,
he's two hundred and seventy three pounds, He's got thirty
three and five eighths inch arms, and he, to me
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was one of the I watched his film and I
really enjoyed watching his film because he plays the game
the way it's supposed to be played, and I thought
he practiced that way.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So you know, like there's certain things that you do
on the defensive side of the football, Like I'm going
to take on a block physically, I'm going to defeat
the block violently. I'm gonna use my hands throw you
to the ground, and then I'm gonna run like a
bat out a hell to the football. So there was
a play versus LSU, for example, where he's kind of
on the back side of the run. He defeats the
tight end and then just at I mean at a
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full speed sprint, like there's no rate limitter on this guy.
The back kind of breaks through line of scrimmage and
he absolutely ear holds this dude about eight yards down
on line of scrimmage kind of eight yards deep into
the defense. And that's I love when I see that
kind of stuff. Like Shamar Stewart I mentioned there was
a play where he ran down his screen coming out
of the stack. For me, like, that's one of those
little things that when you see defensive players get after it,
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like how hard do you play? Because I think you
know just as as an example, like Ryan Kerrigan for example, Yeah,
is the all time leader in Commander's history and sacks,
and I think you could find a bunch of people
saying he's not the most athletic dude, but he would
rush you hard twenty five times in a game.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, you're referring to the motor.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The motor. That's exactly right, the motor, and so this
guy has the motor. And so the thing about him
is he's a little stiff, little high cut, like kind
of long legs, short back, a little stiff in the
upper back, really kind of musclebound, like looks the part
for sure, and so you're kind of like, what kind
of pass rusher is he going to be at the
next level? Right, So a lot of his reps are
like Kamakazi collisions, like really hard collisions, violent hands, heavy hands,
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and today he had two really good reps versus Ozzy
Trapilo from Boston College. He's six seven and five eighths,
three hundred twenty one pounds and thirty one and a
half inch arms, And Ozzy was a guy that I
thought maybe a a in a good world of his
techniques really locked in. He could be the guy that
is kind of that maybe you're starting right tackle. After
this week, I kind of feel like he's your swing
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tackle just from an athletic standpoint, but Landon Jackson did
a great job on him of kind of working a
really hard in soh on him. He worked a really
violent up the field rush, bented around. Not the most athletic,
but you see the power, you see the strength, you
see the strain to finish, and then you know there
was another up against Ariante Erser, the tackle from Minnesota
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who's six five and three quarters, he's three hundred and
thirty nine pounds, he's got thirty four inch arms, and
he's kind of a guy that people think could be
the fourth tackle in this class if you know. Simmons
Jones from Oregon and then Ursery and I was a
little underwhelmed with Ursery, I didn't get that physical dominance.
And in rep today versus Landon Jackson, Land and Jaskin
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hit him with like just a really quick inside move
and he couldn't quite adjust to it, ended up giving
a sack in one on once. Now we talked about
this yesterday, One on one's favorite defensive lineman, and so
again that's to be and not to say first three
we had a bad day or Trapillo had a bad day,
but I will say Trapillo over the course of the
week had a hard time with with more with more
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speed on the pass rush and really elite power. And
so when you've got a hole in your in your
in your game like that, like it makes you think, man,
maybe you're not as far as long as I thought.
Urser did a lot of really good things this week.
But again this is one rep where it kind of
stood out to me and said, those are two NFL players,
probably two starting NFL players, and to see to see
Land and Jackson get the better of him, I thought
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kind of was very informative of his week. Kind of
a quiet rep. No, there was not a lot of
fan fair He's not celebrating big, but did a really
great job kind of showing up and again you see
how hard he plays in the team periods. He sets
violent edges, he's running to the football. He's got this
this motor and this energy that couples with good athleticism.
He is he Shamar Stewart. No, he's not that kind
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of athlete, but does he is? He? Big? Fast, plays
the game hard. Yeah. And when I think about people
who are commanders, like in our spreadsheet now, I highlight
people that I think are commander's players, like just in
terms of how they play the game. And he's a
guy that I think plays the game the way that
Dan Quinn and this defense and Joe Wood Junior want
guys to play.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And let me ask you a question kind of spinning
off of that when it comes to like how guys
play the game in practice today, the first practice had
more energy to it and a lot of that it
seemed like came from the defense. The defense was what's
fueling it up. They were making a lot of plays
in the first practice. Do you think that that has
to do with when you have a guy that has
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a motor like that on the on the field, because
there are several guys like that out there that that
like just starts to ramp up the energy, and maybe
that's why you have these guys on the team, right,
they're like chemistry guys.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah. I think that's a really great observation by you
because it's not only him, but almost every defensive lineman.
There's a couple of linebackers in that first group, and
we're going to talk about one of them later on
here because he had a really impressive week. But they
are all like so, for example, someone will win a
pass rush. Name anybody, right, then there's this group of
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three or four dudes from that first team that are
sprinting over dapping guys up. You know, we're gonna talk
about yeah yeah Black here in a minute. But he's
got this big energy, big voice. He's yelling at everybody.
And there's a bunch of dudes like that on the
first group, just like big energetic guys that you can
tell love ball. And as a result, that first practice, man,
it had juice, like it had like really good juice,
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and like it's cool because the guys on the offensive
line mentioned a couple of them Ursery trapillo, like good
football players. But they start trying to match that energy.
They start trying to everything, and it's cool to watch
the competitive dog come out in that first group and
again the second group today, we're going to talk about
them a little bit, a little disappointing, you know, because
some guys are out. There's like three or four guys
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that didn't participate today. Again, last year was the same thing. Right,
you get to the third day, guys are like, I've
put my resume in, I've done what I needed to do,
I'm out of here, and I respect that you gotta
do what's best for you is from a business standpoint,
But that second practice today felt real sluggish, really flat,
And one of our cameramen on the field today said
that he heard the guys talking kind of in between drills.
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He's like, man, I'm sore, I'm banged up, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Tired, let's just get this over with kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And one of the reasons they feel that way is
because a lot of the guys have left, so all
these guys are taking more reps and it's really fatiguing
them in a negative way.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, but then you have guys like Lyndon Jackson out
there who's just got that motor going and he's hyped
and he's psyched and the other guys out there doing
that too, So then yeah, the rising tides raises all boats. Right,
the same thing with energy, you bring the energy, you
bring the competitiveness. It's going to benefit everybody out there.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And that's one hundred percent right, And and really that's
I mean, that's it because I guaran you, like, I've
got a client that is in the first group and
we were talking last night and he's like, Man, I'm
really sore my legs, my quad really sore. But when
you get the energy like that at practice, it's like, oh,
oh shoot, like let's go. And you see everybody kind
of perked up and you can tell they're tired. But
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when everyone's breaking the juice, and think about this year
with the commanders and dan Quinn and the energy drill
they do before practice and the enthusiasm, it.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Just guys got You got guys like Frankielubao, Yeah, team.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Dude, And I think there's some guys like that in here.
And my winner for the week is a guy like that,
and I can't wait to talk about him a little
bit later.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, we'll get to him.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
But in addition to that, let's finish with the offensive line.
Let's finish with the first practice. So another guy that
we've talked about kind of in passing but not really
double clicked on is Gray's Abel from NDSU. He's six
five and three eights, he's three hundred and sixteen pounds,
he's got thirty two and a quarter inch arms, and
he played left tackle in college. But holy cow, man
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is he fun to watch. He is physical, he's strong,
he's competitive, he gets after guys. He's got a little
bit of a nastiness streak to him. And it's I
feel like NDSU just pumps that offensive lineman. But seeing
him get out there, and we talked about the core
strength you know of Slater yesterday in terms of like
the trunk. This guy's got the trunk strength, he's got
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the hand strength. He moves and sinks his hips. That's
another thing we didn't talk about with offensive lineman is
when you're getting bull rushed, how do you change your
hip height to stop the bowl He does a great
job with that. And for a guy who's I don't
know you even even tho if you'd call it a
small school guy, but you know, not a Clemson Alabama
that type of school for him to get out there
compete the way he did really all three days was
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just really incredible. And because we hadn't double clicked on
him like he legitimately to me could have made an
argument that he was the best offensive lineman here at
the Senior Bowl, and no one has really been talking
about him like in that way. But in terms of
his consistency, his approach, his ability to play multiple positions.
He never played tackle, but garden center, both guard spots
in both and center, Like I think he just he's
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a guy that really is on my radar now and
feels like I don't know if he's a first round
like bottom of the first round guy. That wouldn't surprise
me if he's stuck in there after this week's performance,
but for sure a second round guy and a guy
that I think has started caliber. And that's the other thing,
Like a lot of these guys are NFL players, for sure,
but are they starting caliber NFL players? And I think
this guy Gary's Able might be that guy.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah. And this year Gray, yes, you he had seven
hundred and fifty two reps right out there, so it's
a lot of time. Ninety three overall grade Wow, PFF
pretty darn good. He gave up only one sack.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
It's pretty good, Pretty darn good.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Here's the one that I like. Only two penalties all
year on him, No kidding, yeah, holding, false start what
I don't know what those two are, but that's it
just too.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I don't know where you're getting, know your research done,
but I love this little like surprise. It's like, oh,
look at all these little fun facts.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
But yeah, a little fun fact so polished, I would
say with that right, like not too big for the moment.
And penalties I think is a thing for offensive linemen
we don't talk about enough when it comes to college.
Like looking that up, how many times does this guy
get penalized? Because sometimes a penalty with holding, Let's say
a guy gets five holding calls. Right, it's like, okay,
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there might be something technically wrong here, so you're trying
to make up for it with a hold or a
false start, So okay, he can't lock in yet, Like
there's something.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Not to throw this guy under the bus. But Cameron Williams,
who's not here but is considered to be kind of
in this top five day tackle range, and I didn't
talk about him on my previous Show's from Texas. A
big old boy six ' five three forty, that type
of guy, really good athlete. I think he led the
nation in penalties last year as an offensive lineman. So
you see all the offense, all the athletic talent, his
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ability to move. He's technically very raw. But you're like,
why are you getting so many pre snap penalties? Why
are you fall starting? Like mentally is this important to you?
And I think that's a great point to bring up
with Gray's abel. Is that like two penalties over seven
hundred and what seven hundred and sixty snaps or whatever?
You said, Like, that's incredible, So good for him and
way to be locked in.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Uh, let's move to the defensive line. I think your
next guy. You mentioned him briefly and that was yeah, yah.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Black dude, Yeah yeah, yeah black. It was just so
he's the freakiest dude there in my opinion. He's got
the seven foot wingspan, he's enormous, he's got great get off,
and today I think I saw him come to life
a little bit. He had a devastating bull rush in
one on ones, but then you see him in team
drills doing stuff that he didn't do on tape. So
in the Iowa defense, he's really a two gapper, right,
which means if I'm lined up over the guard, I
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got to keep my hands in the guard and when
the tackle comes, I can't disengage the guard because I'm
trying to keep him off the linebacker. Right. But there
were reps and schemes where he was able to do that.
I was like, I want to see him do that
more strike with violence, shed that block and then penetrate
in the backfield. And maybe it's because I was looking
for it and I was waiting for it. But in
the team drill today, great shock and Shed made a
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tackle for loss in the backfield, and you got to
see that juice member. He's a little bit stiff in
the hips. He's like a true two gapper, in my opinion,
has really good hips, like they can squat down, get low.
That's not really who he is. He's just big and strong,
think like EJ. Henderson kind of build like all very
straightforward and that's what he looks like to me. And again,
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he's not that good of a player. He wasn't that
player in college. But I think if you get him
going in the right scheme in the right direction. He
seems like a guy that could be a better pro
than he was a college player.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So my question for you with Yah Yah Black was,
while he was impressive here, he doesn't have the production
in college. So what do you think may be the
reason for that? And how would you coach that up?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So I think for me, it's the thing I just
talked about, it's the scheme. Doesn't seem like he's a
big dude, right, and so you think big dudes two gap, right,
But he's so long with his arms and he's so
like kind of straight line explosive, like let him shot
and shed, offensive lineman, like let him get hands on
people then throw them to the ground. So I do
think the scheme he was in while looking at him,
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you think that's the right scheme for him. I don't
think it was. I think you want him to be
a little bit more aggressive moving forward, a little bit
more aggressive to shot and shed, a little bit more
aggressive to run laterally up and down the line of scrimmage.
And I think if that's where I look at him,
and I say, man, if you get this guy going
in the right direction with the right coach, is he
ever going to be a great pro. Probably not, but
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could he be a very solid rotational piece, A big
man six ' five three forty thirty five and a
half inch arms that you just don't like. He is
maybe the freakiest dude here amongst a bunch of freaky guys,
and to see those flashes from him, you're like, you know, like,
for the Commanders, do you need a run stopping guy
on first second down? Could this be your guy? Especially
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with the type of techniques that the Commanders play where
it's more of a penetrating, one gap system, Like, he
seems like a guy that you could maybe get fourth round,
fifth round that could fit that specific role for a defense. Right.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Absolutely. Okay, let's move to the other side. And by
the way, we're talking about a lot of defensive line
and offensive tackles big or offensive players just in general,
because that's where it seems like the depth is in
the senior book, just so everybody knows, because we haven't
touched on wide receiver and corner linebacker, running back nearly
as much as we did last year.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, and I think because there's not specifically with receiver,
like there's some really good running backs, Like we talked
about the kid from SMU, the guy from UCF. Like
those guys were ATMs here. Yeah, yeah, from Georgia. Hit
a great he hit a great day to day too, Right,
those three guys were awesome, and they're in the second practice.
But really it's like for the running back, like the
game is more important, right, because it's how you break contact,
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And so they look great and run on ones, running
routes and like they're breaking people's ankles and they look
like receivers and for the modern running back in the NFL,
like that's great. But then when you look at the receivers,
there's only a couple of guys here. We talked about
it with Trevor Sikima. There's like three dudes here that
you feel like could be dudes at the next level.
And that's not an indictment of this receiver of these
receivers here, because I think they're all going to be
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some level of professional, But in terms of guys that
you could build pieces around find roles for, it's it's
very limited this year. So that's one of the reasons
we've spent so much time talking about the offensive and
defensive line specifically, because there that's where all like kind
of the studs are this year.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, it seems like that's where the depth is in
the roster at the Senior Bowl this year. All right,
so that was a quick digression. All right, let's go
to offensive tackle here. We got one more.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, so we got we got two guys, so real quick.
So Marcus Mbo. We talked about him briefly yesterday. He's
that really hyper athletic guy from everyone thought he was
going to play center, but a little bit guard today,
play a little bit tackle and won both his one
on ones, and he's a guy that's like a freak
athlete for the position. I'm really excited to see what
he runs at the combine. But a guy that I
think has struggled a little bit earlier in the week
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and kind of came into his own a little bit today.
Looked physical, looked dominant. The anchor showed up in a
way that I wasn't expecting. So again, that's one of
the things that I really wanted to see. And his
college tape honestly kind of reflects this. There's certain games
where he looks a little bit out of sorts. Then
he goes and plays Ohio State and you're like, man,
he looks great against Ohio State. You watch him against
Penn State, all looks pretty good in that game. And
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Abdu abdulh Carter is in there right. So obviously when
you have matchups like that, that's good, but to see
those that flash from him as excellent. And then so
at the end of practice day, the first practice there
was a defensive call out and we already talked about
the defense was on fire today with energy and Anthony Belton,
who we've talked about a little bit throughout, went up
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against Landry Jackson. And Anthony Belton is a guy that
I think from a technical standpoint is insanely raw, but
just in terms of strength and athlete, just size and athleticism,
he's the guy that you kind of jump out of horse.
I was like, man, Lennon Jackson might cook this guy.
He won three consecutive one on ones. He down blocks
somebody so hard in practice today that the player he
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was blocking had to leave practice. Like He's a big, physical,
twitchy guy for that size, and so when I look
at that, I'm like, that's the one guy that might
not be there right now, but because of that twitch
and movement skill, You're like he could project to the
next level, which would be really exciting.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Did you see him perform better today and say, pass
blocking sets or run blocking?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I mean, to me, he really showed up as a
I mean, obviously the call out was great that you
win those three in a row, but to me, it
was the run blocking stuff, and that was something that
we talked about a little bit after the second the
Trevor Sikomun interview was that, you know, the scouts get
to watch the All twenty two, they get to see
the run lanes, and when I watch him, I watched
him specifically in the red zone, like just down blocking,
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cutting people off. The amount of space he's able to
create is huge, and so when you talk about a
commander's needing to improve as a run blocking team, this
guy's technically very raw, but you see his ability to
oncoil his hips. He's three hundred and forty five pounds. Yeah,
he can just move people off the spots. Great power,
great power. That's a great way to put it, for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And so just my my little like negative one him
because I don't mean to be negative, but just because
it applies what I was saying earlier. He has eight
penalties in each of his last two seasons, So that
may give a little bit of a what's the word
I'm looking for, like like a little red flag of
his rawness, right, Like, so you have to clean that up.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
When you mentioned that earlier, I was like, I wonder
how many penalties Anthony Belton had in college because his
hands they're all over the place, Like he's bear hugging dudes,
he's tackling guys, he's pulling guys to the ground. You're like,
I don't know if you need to do all that,
but if you get him with the right coach kind
of like, yeah, yeah, black, actually get him with the
right coach, I wonder what he turns into and then
how he ends up playing.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
So yeah, absolutely, Okay, So we have the interview with
Trevor Sick about coming up here in just one second.
So we he said he give us ten minutes. He
gave us fifteen. He's very like that. Yeah, and I
saw I saw that we we took too much of
his time. So we try to get him out real quick,
and in doing that, we cut off what your stud
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was going to be. So, yeah, what we're going to
talk about, as we mentioned in the teas is that
we're going to talk about guys you wish you saw
a little bit more from guys that were like okay, yeah,
all right, that's nice, a nice week. You're not the
top guy, you're not at the bottom, but like you
had a good week. And then your studs. So he
gave us all of those and I cut you off
and didn't let you get your stud in. So let's yeah, yeah, yeah,
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and that's fine. So let's put in Paulson's stud right now.
Who is your stud from the combas.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So for me, it's alla wu fend me. Oh the
dead Joe from UCLA, And we talked about him yesterday, right,
is this kind of surprise? Ed Rusher played linebacker, moved
do on a defensive line, and when you talk about
the energy of the first practice, he is the lightning
rod for that. And one on ones. He rushed at
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defensive end, he rushed at three technique, he rushed at noseguard,
and his rep versus a noseguard vers is Jonah Monheim
from usc He won very quickly and immediately started screaming.
We could hear him up in the stands. The whole
defense gets excited. They start running up to him, And
so when they're in the team period and yeah, yeah,
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Black makes that tackle. The first person to go see
him is old Olidjo excuse me, and he's running over
to him. Everyone's stapping him up. Lannon Jackson's getting juiced.
And so in terms of the physical play, the energy
that he brought, like, he's the guy that I'm like,
I don't know, you might have been a terrible college
football player, but you won this week. Yeah, like you
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crushed this week. And we talked about his position change,
and so I've never been probably never since I've done
this more excited to go watch a player's college film.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, well, let me bring that up again in case
someone didn't listen to our last two episodes, which you
should go back and listen to him. But yeah, he
started his career at a middle linebacker, and for UCLA
this year, about halfway through the season, they went, you
know what, let's try you at edge and immediately popped
off with four and a half sacks thirteen point five
tackles for loss, Like just an immediate change. It's like, Okay,
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this is where you belong. Sorry, we had you over
there right So but now like, because we've talked several times,
we don't have to blavor it again that you want
production at college level to line up with what you're seeing.
And sometimes the production at college level isn't there because of,
like you said earlier, scheme, right, And sometimes it's because
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maybe maybe there's something else there. But sometimes it's just scheme.
So if you get in the right scheme of the
right coach, and you can project that production to be there.
And in UCLA's case, it's a good thing they moved
him there because that that helps you understand maybe why
he quote unquote struggled with the stats earlier in his career.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah, so he's a guy that really jumped off the
page for me. And again, and I'm not going to
say he's the only reason, because there's a lot of
guys like that. As a rock who's got the Jews Jackson,
like we just talks about Scout the juice he's he
brings that energy. Yeah, yeah, Black brings it so that
it's a more energetic, juiced up group anyway. But I
think he's a big reason why they're like that, you know,
like they had a thing on the first day. And
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I heard this on a different podcast, and I missed it,
but they were like they were doing races in a
bag drill, right, And so Mike Green, who's like, you know,
everyone thinks he's going to be a top twenty five pick.
Maybeah Edge from Marshall, Edge from Marshall goes and the
whole group. It was like, who's the other alpha in
the group And it was old day Joe. So he
had earned the trust and the respect of the group
for them to be like we want him to do it.
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And I think like that just speaks to the week,
the week that he's had from a leadership and competitive standpoint,
like just really really impressive.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So yeah, that's awesome in it and he might be
a guy that might be there for the commanders.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Oh my gosh. And again like I don't know if
he fit, Like I don't know if he is if
his body type fits with what the commanders need. But
in terms of a guy based on this week, based
on three days, and this is where like the scouting
comes important. You got to go to the school, you
got to talk to his high school coach. But god,
if this is how he gets down like there is
he is for sure a commander's type player. Lannon Jackson.
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Commander's type player. This guy Commander's type player, and that
I think is something that again coming out of this week,
is cool to see.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, I think a lot of teams are going to
fall in love with him if he continues to be
like this throughout this process processing up into the draft
a lot like Darius Robinson last year just stood out
at the Senior Bowl with like it's like, Okay, he's
a leader. He's like they just like you said, love
how he gets down right and then move you know,
moved himself up up those draft boards. So maybe he's, uh,
(25:34):
he's this year's Darius Robinson. Okay, so let's move on
to the second half of practice. We're going to briefly
talk about some of the guys that a weren't there. Yeah,
maybe that's why it felt kind of sluggish and a
little slow, and then just some chout outs before we
get into our interview with Tremor.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah. And the reason we're not going to give this
as much time is because this practice was like pulling teeth.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, it looked like they were just going through the
motions to get to the game.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, and so like they've two defensive tackles are out.
Dean Walker, the big defensive tackle from Kentucky, wasn't there.
The Florida defensive tackle who's had a great week, Terrence
something was he had to leave practice early. So they're
repping in guys who like literally their first day of
practice was today. They were at to begin. They don't
have any defensive tackles. It was just a little bit
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of a mess, right. You can tell those guys are
banged up. The offensive line for the other I think
it's the American team. No, the national team banged up.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Like.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
It just was a little little messy, little messy.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And I want to be clear, I'm not blaming the
players for the lack of energy. Yeah yeah, I'm just
saying like it just felt like as they walked out,
like from the coaching staff down it was like, we're
gonna we're gonna pull back a little bit today.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So which makes sense. They've got a couple of injuries,
like mar Stewart, the defensive end from Alabama that we
are t XA and M that we've talked about a ton,
he wasn't there, so kind of put put his good
resume in and said I'm done. I'm probably gonna be
a top twenty five pick now, so I'll I'll see
it combine. But there are some other guys that I
think deserve. Like we've talked. We talked about SamArt Stewart
(27:07):
a lot because he was so good. But there's four
guys that I just want to mention real quick. So
number fifteen, Jared Ivy. He's six ' five and three
eights inches, two hundred and eighty three pounds, thirty three
and three quarter inch arm is basically the same body
type as Shamar Stewart. And this dude played defensive end.
He rushed from a three technique, he played nose guard,
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and he brought just tremendous juice and movement skills in
athleticism and really, to me, he's not Samar Stewart, because
Samar Stewart's just he's a little bit more filled out,
he's a little bit more rocked up. It's a little
bit more violent with his hands, but it's not far off.
Like there are days when you're watching practice and you're like, oh,
that's Samar Stewart, but it's actually, you know, Jared Ivy,
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And I think for Samar Stewart to get all this
credit and no one's talking about Jared Ivy seems a
little bit unfair because of how physically dominant he was
at times this year, Like there was during this week
of practice, there were times where Schama Stewart's playing defensive end,
Jared Ivy's playing three technique and they both beat their
guy immediately. They both stuffed the run or he sets
the edge or sits a knee on a double team.
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And I just came away not knowing a lot about
him as a player, but seeing the length, the physicality,
the technique, the energy that he brings, the ability to
play multiple spots along the defensive line. He's a guy
that really stood out to me as a guy that
feels like a second round pick now. But and again,
if the Commanders, you know, can't get SAMR. Stewart for
whatever reason, there's other guys like him in this draft
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that are are very physically impressive.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, he is from Old miss I just wanted to
throw that out there.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And PFF has his overall grade and a ninety point six.
That's pretty high. Very and also he was the MVP
defensive MVP in the Peach Bowl not last year, but
the year before, so he's yeah, he's a player like
he's been around, he's a ball or he knows what's
going on anybody else.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, just two more defensive ends. Xavion will from LSU.
He's six ' five and one eighth so a little
bit shorter, two hundred and eighty nine pound, twohundred and
ninety pounds, thirty three and a half inch arms and
very similar to the other two guys we just talked about.
And that's why he's so impressive. He's a little bit
all over the place, a little bit of a crazy
horse in terms of movement, but can rush from the edge,
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can rush from the interior, can hold up versus double
teams on the interior, and again can set really hard
edges in the run game. Has a little bit more
bend than you'd think looking at him, kind of an
unusual mover, kind of a hunched over kind of running style.
But again, like I like flexibility in the defense. I
know Joe Whitt Junior likes flexibility and defense. And these
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three dudes to me, including Samar Stewart from A and
M All kind of fit that mold to me of
guys that could play. I can rush from the edge
on first and second down, as a good solid pass rusher.
I can also rush as a three technique, I can
play four. Iye, and a pinch like that to me
is tremendous. And they all were very productive this week.
And then another guy is R. J. Open from Notre Dame.
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He's sixty three and three eights, two hundred and fifty
five pounds, He's got thirty three to couarter inch arms.
He just flashes a rusher to me, like when they
did one on ones, he just had didn't maybe not
winning every single rep, but the ability to bend some
good handwork, excellent first step get off. And I don't know,
I got to watch more of his college stuff. I've
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only watched one game of his and I didn't really
get I didn't get that what I saw today from
his film so or what I saw from the last
three days from his film. So, a guy that we
in terms of giving guys late shoutouts in the week,
just definitely deserves a shout out because he brought great energy,
very competitive, He shows those couple of things you need
to see from top end pass rushers, and so I
(30:44):
just want to make sure our listeners got got a
feel for what he is.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So The next guy I want you to bring up
real quick. You mentioned him a linebacker in the rundown,
But linebacker for me is very hard to tell what is.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
There? So this, this is what I'll say to you
about this guy, right, Tamar James from Florida. He's six
one and three eight so almost six two, two hundred
and twenty seven pounds. Hes got thirty and a half
inch arms. That feels like a safety to me. Right.
So the things that you do well at the Senior Bowl,
right that where you get recognition are you cover and
you make splash plays in the run game by running
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sideline a sideline Okay. The technical like I'm gonna take
on a block, I'm gonna dent the edge, I'm gonna
sit this double team down, I'm gonna blitz like that
stuff doesn't show up as much because you're in practice. Right,
So you're not gonna get the same kind of what's
the word, same kind of down to down kind of
head bashing things that you'd get from normal linebacker play. Right,
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It's more like can he cover? Yes? Like Demetrius Knight,
the linebacker that everyone kind of came in watching. I
think he's from South Carolina fits that mold. He's six
to one, he's two forty six, He's got long arms,
thirty four inch arms, and he can really like thump
a little bit, right. He had a big hit yesterday
in practice, so that's he's probably going to be a
more successful professional linebacker. But Sherman James, like in one
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on ones covered really well. Had he had the highest
miles per hour in terms of running for a linebacker
at the Senior Bowl over the last three days twenty
miles an hour, which is absolutely moving. He is able
to trigger in the run game and get down hill.
He had a couple tackles for losses. But I wonder if,
like when you're in a game situation, how much does
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that speed, how much does that velocity actually show up?
Because he only has thirty and a half inch arms.
So think about, for example, the linebackers that the Washington
Commanders drafted last year. Dominic Campton, safety linebacker. He's got
thirty three and a half inch arms. Jeremy McGhee has
I think they're If they're not, they're like thirty three
in a quarter, right, Like they're long armed guys, because
you need those long arms to keep offensive Lineman off. You.
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This guy's fast, he's athletic, he's a great coverage player
that feels like a special teams guys maybe to me
at the next level, like a guy with that kind
of juice and speed and pop. But I think he's
going to struggle to actually play linebacker. But he had
a great week. He covered well, He did the things
that the Senior Bowl for linebackers shows them, and I
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felt like we need to shout him out.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, and he this season was his best college season
with sixty four tackles. He had a couple of past
the defenses as well, so could in coverage as an
interception and two sacks. This year it was his best
statistical year. He's a former five star recruiter that chose
Florida over Alabama, Georgia and Florida State and Auburn. So
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the reason I'm saying all that is to back up
what you're saying, like he looks like an athlete. Also, Mobile,
Alabama is his hometown, so he was playing in front
of his family. I'm sure it's helt very at home here.
So he had a good week.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, And so is he going to be an NFL linebacker?
Probably not, But is he going to be a special
teams player, maybe have a package on defense? I could
see for him again, because at mobile you don't like
you're not taking it. It's like team run, you know
what I mean. You're not taking on blocks, you're not
denting stuff the same way. So while he had a
(34:10):
good week, I'm not sure. We'll have to go watch
this film a little bit more closely to see if
any of that stuff translates in a way that maybe
we're not anticipating.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, so now it's time we're done here
at the Senior Bowl. We'll have an interview right now
with PFF's lead draft guru, god By Trevor sac Yeah,
he's a friend of the pot. He comes on. We'll
have him on a couple of times this year. He's
always very nice and especially with his time. And you
(34:42):
two have a little bit of a disagreement. We do, right,
So it gets a little heated. I would say that
if he was maybe one hundred pounds bigger, he would
have thrown fist with you. But he is much smaller
than you, so I think he was more reserved. But
it got really heated.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You hit you.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Now I'm just kidding you. Guys are very respectful. But
it's a pretty good debate over a big name that
was here at the Senior Bowl. So stick around for that,
all right, everybody, here's Trevor Sikima. All right, Logan, we
are here with our very special guests from PFF. Trevor Sikima,
lead draft analyst, got to write this time here go. Yeah,
Logan gets it wrong every time I told him he
should make a bit out of it. Just give you
(35:20):
some random title. Every time you come up.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
You can beat me up.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
So my rule is I don't correct people who could
beat me up, like the kicker from the Replacements.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
That's what I want to hear.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
All right, So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna
talk about three guys each, so six in total. A
guy that had a We'll start with a kay, you
want to see a little bit more from right, Like
they came out to Senior Bowl and I don't know,
it's just you're neither here nor there on them. You
want to see a little more. The next one is, hey,
they had a good performance. They're not gonna be on
hitting social media in the viral post and you're not
(35:55):
gonna hear their name a lot. But hey, good week,
you did, you did good, you're nice, did a night,
had a nice thing year? And then guy that stood
out right, So we'll do the stood out last, because
that's how you tease in the business, all right, So Logan,
why don't you kick it off for us?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
So this is the one. What are we doing starting
with or starting with guys.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
That were yeah, yeah, you want to see more from
So for me, I.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Think it's Jalen Rivers, the guard Tackle from Miami. And
again I think he I really liked this film, like
really strong dude, great anchor, kind of slow feet, and
I thought in the one on one today, I don't
think he won one of them, and obviously, like you'd
like to see some type of consistency. There was some
good stuff in team which I thought was good physicality,
good understanding, good leadership stuff. But I came in kind
of thinking this guy could potentially be a starting guard
(36:35):
in the NFL. And so now when there's that kind
of struggle with the quicker, faster edge rusher or interior rushers,
you're kind of like, maybe I gotta go back and
look at the film one more time and again that's
not not again. The film's good. He played tackle who
played guard at Miami. Big physical dude, but just kind
of puts a little question there for you about where
he is long term.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
And he played well Day one. Yes, this this this
event was a little bit back when it came to
the trenches. Normally, day one, it's the d line that
absolutely dominates, right because it's a lot of one on ones.
The drill is sort of set up for them to win.
The offensive lineman. They don't watch a lot of tape
on these guys beforehand. They don't know their strength, they
don't know their speed, and so normally defensive linemen get
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the better of the offensive lineman to start the week.
This week, for this particular Senior Bowl, I feel like
the offensive line came out and came das immediately. And
Jalen Rivers was one of those guys day one who
I thought played really well at that guard spot. It
was very intriguing, but kind of to your point, like
you would want to see that sustain over a three
day period to really be a riser at this event.
And so still intrigued by him just because of the
(37:36):
first Day one he played played well but yeah, I
could see sort of Okay, it was a really good
week for him that dropped off a little bit.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Then yeah, wanted to see a little bit more for
him their consistency.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, And then again that's that's part of the deal here.
It's like this is one data point, you know, so
you kind of want to see. So that's the other thing.
Like Brandon Coleman last year was kind of up and
down at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, but he was a
great player for the Washington Commanders this year. So like,
just because you have a poor or kind of lukewarm
Senior Bowl doesn't mean you're not going to be a
great pro, right, just keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
More up, it's more of an event where I was
telling somebody this the other day, Like the baseline of
the event is putting guys in two buckets?
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Are you an NFL player? Are you not?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
And it's almost like you take away much more of
the positives than you do the negatives because there's so
many variables about this week that kind of are going
against you. You're not watching film, new coaching staff, probably
not getting a lot of sleep, You're getting pulled in
a lot of different directions. You get a lot of media,
and so it's like all this kinds of stuff kind
of prohibits you from probably playing your best.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
And then if you stand out, it's like, Okay, that's noteworthy.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
And if you have a little bit of an up
and down rough week, it's like, Okay, it's not like
you said, like with Coleman, it's not like a kiss
of death or anything, but it's just sort of something
that you got to think about moving forward throughout the
rest of You're so the guy that I want to
see more of the there's no doubt about it, is
Jackson dar At, the quarterback from Hole Miss, And you know,
we're not really going to see more of him before
Draft Day when it comes to actual on the field play.
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But this is somebody who the numbers are fantastic. I
mean even our scores at PFF. I mean, he's got
elite passing numbers on you know, clean pocket situations, early
passing down situations. He's got good numbers when you talk
about scrambling, when you talk about under pressure. So he
performs really well. But I think Lane Kiffin's system allows
you to perform very well. Kind of simplifies things for
you where you're really only putting one defender in conflict,
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if you will, And it's a play where it's like,
all right, we'll read this defender. If he's going this way,
you're going high. If he's going this way, you're going low.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
And so he was.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
He's a great two sport athlete, played baseball in high school.
There's a lot to like about this player. But something
that was very intriguing about him this week is one,
I was looking to see what he was like in
his confidence level, was like outside of that Lane Kiffin system.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
But two, this guy played over night.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
He had over nine hundred dropbacks over the last two
years as starting quarterback for Ole mess Nine of them
came under center, and I think a handful of them
came in victory formation. So just he's never an under
center quarterback. He had three funnels this week under center
when they were trying to put him in those uncomfortable situations.
And you could say to yourself, Hey, if we draft
this guy, he's clearly just a shotgun comfortable quarterback. But
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how many teams in the NFL are Josh. I mean,
it's like the Bengals with Zach Taylor. You know, it's
Brian Callahan with the Titans, and it's like there's just
not a lot. I mean, I know Cliff Kingsbury does
a lot of stuff from the shotgun as well, but
it's just there's not a ton of shotgun only offenses
and shotgun only offense coordinator. So that was part of
like the questions of like, all right, this is what
we would like to see from Darten failed seems like
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a hard harsh word. We didn't see him look super
comfortable in those new and in there's new situations like
we would have.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Wanted to see one hundred percent. But I also thought,
like of the guys throwing, he threw it the best,
Like it comes out of his hand the best.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
He's got it in a middle arm, there's no doubt
about it.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
So like in terms of your like evaluation, like how
would you wait this performance? Like did you like where
did you have him before today? And then where do
you have him now?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I guess it's I'm kind of a skeptic of a
lot of the quarterbacks that come from Lane Kiffin's system.
Now I think Jackson Dart is better than it's like
a Matt corral right, who's like the most recent guy.
I think that Jackson Dart is more talented than Matt
Corow was. I think he's built more like an NFL player,
and you just mentioned the arm talent, so I think
all of that is there. But he is somebody who
I would be worried about taking high and then because
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he's a high draft pick, tempted to play him right away.
I just think that you're going to go through a
lot of ups and downs in that regard. So maybe
he gets in a situation where hopefully he can sit
for a year or two whatever, and we'll see what
the situation is like for him. But there are other
people who are here. You think maybe he's the third
quarterback off the board.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
I don't know where that goes.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
If that means like he's a first round pick or
now one of those No I am. I am again,
I'm more of a I am more hesitant on that
just because you feel I guess, so the third guy
for me, I guess it's a little bit of an
interesting segue. I had Milroe is QB three sort of
going in this event, but I mean, Miilroe was just
continuously inconsistent.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
And I'll tell you the.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Biggest takeaway that I have for jayl and Milroe this
week is unfortunately a negative, and it's actually the hand size.
I didn't think that his hand size was going to
be as small as it was. And I know we
had this conversation what wasn't four years ago with Burrow
and everybody.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Was like who cares?
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Right?
Speaker 4 (41:57):
I mean, like, you know what's to throw the ball.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
But for Milroe, you got to think about it practically,
and it actually matters for him because he's got eight
and three fours inch hand size, which is just second
percentile for NFL quarterbacks. He's got small hands for the
NFL level. His throwing motion is so twitched up. It
is so fast that when you don't have bigger hands
to truly just control the football all the way through
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the throwing motion and out of your wrist, that's where
some of those little ball placement in accuracy issues come from.
So I get worried about that because I don't think
his throwing motion is going to get any slower.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
You don't want it to be.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
He's a great athlete, he's got a live arm to him.
But I wonder if it's just he's never really going
to be able to have that grip on the football
that you need to throw the football the way that
he stylistically does, and so I like his talent. I
think he's an NFL player. He's got great rushing ability
and everything I've heard about this kid is that he's
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a great, great work ethic and whatever you think the
ceiling is for Jalen Milroe, you think he's got the
He's made up of the stuff to get to it.
So that's such a that's such a crucial part for
me when it comes to evaluating these quarterbacks, and that's
why I have him at QB three. But it's it's
just tough when again you see the measurements and you go, man,
is this just gonna be who is who he is?
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And it's tough for him to It's tough for you
to look at his film and think the accuracy that
he is right now is who he's going to be,
because that's not good enough to be an NFL starter.
It's got to get better one way enough.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
So it sounds like you're luke warm on both those guys.
I am, yeah, I kind of like kind of something
you want to see more from both. Who's the guy
that you were kind of liked a really good but
kind of kind of quiet week, maybe not a social
media week.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I think that the two wide receivers from Iawa State,
I think have had pretty good weeks this year.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
They were supposed to be get like I mean, just
they were good coming in right now.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
But Jalen Nole is the one where I look at
him and I think Jayden Higgins, his teammate, gets a
lot of just like the higher notoriety. I think he's
higher on wide receiver list, but Noel, he's smaller, he's
more compact, but he's quicker, he's more explosive, he's got
better body control, and he is somebody who I felt
like was a little bit more consistent the whole week.
And I like, no I've watched his film over the
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last couple of years, and he's somebody who I think
he had a pretty good week. Again, it's you're not
gonna see the social media eclipse from him, but he
just feels like.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
He's an NFL player in a year or two.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
If you hear about him as the wide receiver three
for some team, and he's just he's just eating every
single week. He's getting you know, three four catches for
forty fifty sixty yards a week and he's just contributing
to the passing game. You go, that's a valuable player.
So he's somebody who, again I don't know if he's
necessarily wowed, but I think you're impressed with what he is,
knowing that that's sort of gonna be his role at
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the NFL level because you're seeing it out here.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I was really impressed that he kind
of did most of his stuff for a lot of
his stuff outside on the perimeter this week, which again,
like you think I when I watched him, I was like,
he's more of a slot guy. But again, to have
like the horsepower they're out running nuance to win outside
kind of like in the deep water, I thought was
really impressive. But that's not something that you're going to
see on like a TikTok right or something, you know
what I mean. Zone, It's like, oh, look at his alignment.
That's kind of boring. So for me, I'm gonna go
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I'm saying I was said, we got Jealen Travis, the
left tackle or right tackle from Iowa. SA nice, And
I think the thing about him is like he measured
really well and kind of a small school guy that
transferred in tow Iiowa State obviously, and I liked his
I don't know. I liked his physicality. I liked how
he kind of was able to pass protec move his feet,
and didn't like, you know, like wow, not going to
have a lot of pancake blocks or anything like that.
(45:19):
But a guy that I thought showed that in a
year or two could be you know, NFL swing maybe
a right tackle starting caliber player at some point in
his career. So that was one that I really, I
really thought no one was talking about, and I thought
he did a great job this week.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I haven't watched him a ton, I really haven't.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
But the offensive tackle group, I think in general, is
making some money for them last week, and even even
the guys who aren't you know, just absolutely dominating out there,
like you said, they measure they're probably measured in physically.
For like NFL tackles, there's just gonna be a lot
of guys who were at this event where either going
to get drafted to play tackle or even maybe move inside.
There's there's a lot of NFL caliber offensive tackles, even
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though it might not be the top ten guys a
lot of guys in this class, but there's I mean,
there's just it's littered with offensive linemen.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
All right, So now who's your stud for the week.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Mike Green. Mike Green, the addresser from Marshall.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Dude, it so funny. I almost put him as my
like I wanted more from.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Him, Okay, all right, what'd you want more?
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Well, I think as you hyped him up so much
on your show, honestly, because when I came in, he
because he's good. No, no, So I'll tell you this.
So like when I came in, I was expecting a
guy I kind of like a lot too lot to
last year. He just was like a like a killer, yeah,
like a guy who just had that innate feel. And
so like when I was watching him, like Anthony ben
Anthony Belton beats him on a one on one.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Javis had a good week. That's a good shadow too.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, Jalen Travis won a couple one on ones against him,
and I was just like, I want to see him
just be dominant. And again he has the one big
rep that everyone saw on social media. He murders the
guy from Oregon who had a great Week two. But
I just thought i'd see more a guy with seventeen
sacks in college, I thought there'd be more consistent wins.
So I think that was the thing that said got
to me.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
So I think he really leaned on winning with athleticism
this week, and I think that he is. He's just
a reach your sophomore coming out of coming out of Marshall,
And I wasn't even sure if he was going to
declare this year. So I can see where you're coming
from of like, okay, because certainly if you compare him
to a lot, to him mean a lot too, was
like a like a black belt in karate with a hand.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
I think that's what I'm saying is like I thought
that's that was the expectation. I was talking about him
maybe in a top twenty five.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Pick and so so to me, he's he's a top
twenty five pick less because of how polished he is
and more because of I just think he's a great athlete.
And beyond the one rep that, yeah, you're talking about
where he absolutely bulldoze Josh Connery, there are a couple
where so he's a form basketball player and like he
does he does like the hesy move to try to
like cross people up before he gets to attack either
the inside or outside shoulder. I love that he showed
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up and he was two hundred and fifty pounds and
he looks like a solid two hundred fifty punds right
for sure. He does not look like, oh he's just
put on waterway for this event or whatever. The arm
length is short, the armlengked is shorter, so he will
have to be more precise with his handwork to continue
to win at the NFL level. But I just feel
like I saw the first step exposion. This really stood
out more like you're more like the traits were there
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one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
I I agree with.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
I checked to the athleticism boxes with Mike Green this
week because I was I was like, Okay, that's a
first round caliber edge rusher when you come to just
the explosiveness and who he is.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Maybe not as polish as like to, but yeah the
trade already get that polished.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
I mean, was a maniac.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Yeah, that dude was again like a just a karate
master with with how he kept himself clean with the
hand usage.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, really karate master. I like that term.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Guys. Awesome conversation. I bet all the other justic guys
like me have learned a whole lot. I really enjoyed
Trevor when you when you joined the show. Your insights
are always excellent. Everybody can catch you on the NFL
stock Exchange for PFF. So thank you once again Trevor
for joining us the PFF senior lead Draft dude.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, you know, let's just keep if you make it
a little bit longer. Again, like, I'm never gonna correct
you on it. So it's always great hopping on with you, guys.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
This is it.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
This is always great.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Thank you so much. So that's gonna be a ticket
to the draft. That's gonna be us wrapping it up
here from the Senior Bowl. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
We will come to you weekly and then once we
get through the combine, we'll do these daily. Since and
so logan sign us off.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
M hm m hm.
In today's episode of Tick to the Draft podcast, the
Senior Bowl is over, but as a parting gift to you,
the fans, the consistent listeners, we give you names of
guys that have been here doing their things for the
last three days that we might not have mex mentioned,
so make sure you check that out. And then we
are joined by Trevor Sikhima, lead draft analysts for PFF.
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We talked about guys that could have had a better week,
guys that had a solid week, and the dogs, the studs,
the guys that really made money for themselves down here
in Mobile, Alabama. But while we're talking, we have a
huge disagreement about one guy who might go top fifteen.
That all starts right now. Welcome on into the Ticket
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of the Draft podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with just
the guy Jason, and Day three of the Senior Bowl
is completed, which means our time down here is done.
We've done it. We've done it all three days and
it was and this was kind of a fun Senior Bowl,
I think for me anyway, because it was a bunch
of guys that maybe didn't have like the name recognition
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that like of last year's Senior Bowl for example. Like
we were kind of talking through that there's ten first
round draft picks all this stuff, but there was a
lot of guys that kind of jumped off the jumped
off the practice field and really made you take notice.
And it was really cool to kind of to get
some stuff confirmed about some guys that we weren't sure about,
but also kind of meet some players and kind of
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see how they they operate and what kind of and
if they could be professional players for example.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, and this one, this Senior Bowl specifically, is going
to It's really got me excited for the rest of
this process. Right last year we came in, I kind of,
like you said, there was name recognition, you kind of
knew some of these guys. This year that name recognition
wasn't there. So I was seeing a lot of these
guys with fresh eyes. So I'm excited to go watch
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their film and get ready for the combine and what
leads up there. So let's talk about some of these
guys that we saw this week.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yes, so you know today a guy was like going
through the list and going through my notes, and a
guy that we've we saw today that did a really
nice job and has really had a very solid week,
but kind of maybe not the instagram worthy week. Is
Landon Jackson from Arkansas. He's six five and a half,
he's two hundred and seventy three pounds, He's got thirty
three and five eighths inch arms, and he, to me
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was one of the I watched his film and I
really enjoyed watching his film because he plays the game
the way it's supposed to be played, and I thought
he practiced that way.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So you know, like there's certain things that you do
on the defensive side of the football, Like I'm going
to take on a block physically, I'm going to defeat
the block violently. I'm gonna use my hands throw you
to the ground, and then I'm gonna run like a
bat out a hell to the football. So there was
a play versus LSU, for example, where he's kind of
on the back side of the run. He defeats the
tight end and then just at I mean at a
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full speed sprint, like there's no rate limitter on this guy.
The back kind of breaks through line of scrimmage and
he absolutely ear holds this dude about eight yards down
on line of scrimmage kind of eight yards deep into
the defense. And that's I love when I see that
kind of stuff. Like Shamar Stewart I mentioned there was
a play where he ran down his screen coming out
of the stack. For me, like, that's one of those
little things that when you see defensive players get after it,
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like how hard do you play? Because I think you
know just as as an example, like Ryan Kerrigan for example, Yeah,
is the all time leader in Commander's history and sacks,
and I think you could find a bunch of people
saying he's not the most athletic dude, but he would
rush you hard twenty five times in a game.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, you're referring to the motor.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The motor. That's exactly right, the motor, and so this
guy has the motor. And so the thing about him
is he's a little stiff, little high cut, like kind
of long legs, short back, a little stiff in the
upper back, really kind of musclebound, like looks the part
for sure, and so you're kind of like, what kind
of pass rusher is he going to be at the
next level? Right, So a lot of his reps are
like Kamakazi collisions, like really hard collisions, violent hands, heavy hands,
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and today he had two really good reps versus Ozzy
Trapilo from Boston College. He's six seven and five eighths,
three hundred twenty one pounds and thirty one and a
half inch arms, And Ozzy was a guy that I
thought maybe a a in a good world of his
techniques really locked in. He could be the guy that
is kind of that maybe you're starting right tackle. After
this week, I kind of feel like he's your swing
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tackle just from an athletic standpoint, but Landon Jackson did
a great job on him of kind of working a
really hard in soh on him. He worked a really
violent up the field rush, bented around. Not the most athletic,
but you see the power, you see the strength, you
see the strain to finish, and then you know there
was another up against Ariante Erser, the tackle from Minnesota
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who's six five and three quarters, he's three hundred and
thirty nine pounds, he's got thirty four inch arms, and
he's kind of a guy that people think could be
the fourth tackle in this class if you know. Simmons
Jones from Oregon and then Ursery and I was a
little underwhelmed with Ursery, I didn't get that physical dominance.
And in rep today versus Landon Jackson, Land and Jaskin
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hit him with like just a really quick inside move
and he couldn't quite adjust to it, ended up giving
a sack in one on once. Now we talked about
this yesterday, One on one's favorite defensive lineman, and so
again that's to be and not to say first three
we had a bad day or Trapillo had a bad day,
but I will say Trapillo over the course of the
week had a hard time with with more with more
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speed on the pass rush and really elite power. And
so when you've got a hole in your in your
in your game like that, like it makes you think, man,
maybe you're not as far as long as I thought.
Urser did a lot of really good things this week.
But again this is one rep where it kind of
stood out to me and said, those are two NFL players,
probably two starting NFL players, and to see to see
Land and Jackson get the better of him, I thought
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kind of was very informative of his week. Kind of
a quiet rep. No, there was not a lot of
fan fair He's not celebrating big, but did a really
great job kind of showing up and again you see
how hard he plays in the team periods. He sets
violent edges, he's running to the football. He's got this
this motor and this energy that couples with good athleticism.
He is he Shamar Stewart. No, he's not that kind
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of athlete, but does he is? He? Big? Fast, plays
the game hard. Yeah. And when I think about people
who are commanders, like in our spreadsheet now, I highlight
people that I think are commander's players, like just in
terms of how they play the game. And he's a
guy that I think plays the game the way that
Dan Quinn and this defense and Joe Wood Junior want
guys to play.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
And let me ask you a question kind of spinning
off of that when it comes to like how guys
play the game in practice today, the first practice had
more energy to it and a lot of that it
seemed like came from the defense. The defense was what's
fueling it up. They were making a lot of plays
in the first practice. Do you think that that has
to do with when you have a guy that has
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a motor like that on the on the field, because
there are several guys like that out there that that
like just starts to ramp up the energy, and maybe
that's why you have these guys on the team, right,
they're like chemistry guys.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah. I think that's a really great observation by you
because it's not only him, but almost every defensive lineman.
There's a couple of linebackers in that first group, and
we're going to talk about one of them later on
here because he had a really impressive week. But they
are all like so, for example, someone will win a
pass rush. Name anybody, right, then there's this group of
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three or four dudes from that first team that are
sprinting over dapping guys up. You know, we're gonna talk
about yeah yeah Black here in a minute. But he's
got this big energy, big voice. He's yelling at everybody.
And there's a bunch of dudes like that on the
first group, just like big energetic guys that you can
tell love ball. And as a result, that first practice, man,
it had juice, like it had like really good juice,
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and like it's cool because the guys on the offensive
line mentioned a couple of them Ursery trapillo, like good
football players. But they start trying to match that energy.
They start trying to everything, and it's cool to watch
the competitive dog come out in that first group and
again the second group today, we're going to talk about
them a little bit, a little disappointing, you know, because
some guys are out. There's like three or four guys
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that didn't participate today. Again, last year was the same thing. Right,
you get to the third day, guys are like, I've
put my resume in, I've done what I needed to do,
I'm out of here, and I respect that you gotta
do what's best for you is from a business standpoint,
But that second practice today felt real sluggish, really flat,
And one of our cameramen on the field today said
that he heard the guys talking kind of in between drills.
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He's like, man, I'm sore, I'm banged up, I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Tired, let's just get this over with kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And one of the reasons they feel that way is
because a lot of the guys have left, so all
these guys are taking more reps and it's really fatiguing
them in a negative way.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, but then you have guys like Lyndon Jackson out
there who's just got that motor going and he's hyped
and he's psyched and the other guys out there doing
that too, So then yeah, the rising tides raises all boats. Right,
the same thing with energy, you bring the energy, you
bring the competitiveness. It's going to benefit everybody out there.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And that's one hundred percent right, And and really that's
I mean, that's it because I guaran you, like, I've
got a client that is in the first group and
we were talking last night and he's like, Man, I'm
really sore my legs, my quad really sore. But when
you get the energy like that at practice, it's like, oh,
oh shoot, like let's go. And you see everybody kind
of perked up and you can tell they're tired. But
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when everyone's breaking the juice, and think about this year
with the commanders and dan Quinn and the energy drill
they do before practice and the enthusiasm, it.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Just guys got You got guys like Frankielubao, Yeah, team.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Dude, And I think there's some guys like that in here.
And my winner for the week is a guy like that,
and I can't wait to talk about him a little
bit later.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, we'll get to him.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
But in addition to that, let's finish with the offensive line.
Let's finish with the first practice. So another guy that
we've talked about kind of in passing but not really
double clicked on is Gray's Abel from NDSU. He's six
five and three eights, he's three hundred and sixteen pounds,
he's got thirty two and a quarter inch arms, and
he played left tackle in college. But holy cow, man
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is he fun to watch. He is physical, he's strong,
he's competitive, he gets after guys. He's got a little
bit of a nastiness streak to him. And it's I
feel like NDSU just pumps that offensive lineman. But seeing
him get out there, and we talked about the core
strength you know of Slater yesterday in terms of like
the trunk. This guy's got the trunk strength, he's got
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the hand strength. He moves and sinks his hips. That's
another thing we didn't talk about with offensive lineman is
when you're getting bull rushed, how do you change your
hip height to stop the bowl He does a great
job with that. And for a guy who's I don't
know you even even tho if you'd call it a
small school guy, but you know, not a Clemson Alabama
that type of school for him to get out there
compete the way he did really all three days was
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just really incredible. And because we hadn't double clicked on
him like he legitimately to me could have made an
argument that he was the best offensive lineman here at
the Senior Bowl, and no one has really been talking
about him like in that way. But in terms of
his consistency, his approach, his ability to play multiple positions.
He never played tackle, but garden center, both guard spots
in both and center, Like I think he just he's
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a guy that really is on my radar now and
feels like I don't know if he's a first round
like bottom of the first round guy. That wouldn't surprise
me if he's stuck in there after this week's performance,
but for sure a second round guy and a guy
that I think has started caliber. And that's the other thing,
Like a lot of these guys are NFL players, for sure,
but are they starting caliber NFL players? And I think
this guy Gary's Able might be that guy.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah. And this year Gray, yes, you he had seven
hundred and fifty two reps right out there, so it's
a lot of time. Ninety three overall grade Wow, PFF
pretty darn good. He gave up only one sack.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
It's pretty good, Pretty darn good.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Here's the one that I like. Only two penalties all
year on him, No kidding, yeah, holding, false start what
I don't know what those two are, but that's it
just too.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I don't know where you're getting, know your research done,
but I love this little like surprise. It's like, oh,
look at all these little fun facts.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
But yeah, a little fun fact so polished, I would
say with that right, like not too big for the moment.
And penalties I think is a thing for offensive linemen
we don't talk about enough when it comes to college.
Like looking that up, how many times does this guy
get penalized? Because sometimes a penalty with holding, Let's say
a guy gets five holding calls. Right, it's like, okay,
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there might be something technically wrong here, so you're trying
to make up for it with a hold or a
false start, So okay, he can't lock in yet, Like
there's something.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Not to throw this guy under the bus. But Cameron Williams,
who's not here but is considered to be kind of
in this top five day tackle range, and I didn't
talk about him on my previous Show's from Texas. A
big old boy six ' five three forty, that type
of guy, really good athlete. I think he led the
nation in penalties last year as an offensive lineman. So
you see all the offense, all the athletic talent, his
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ability to move. He's technically very raw. But you're like,
why are you getting so many pre snap penalties? Why
are you fall starting? Like mentally is this important to you?
And I think that's a great point to bring up
with Gray's abel. Is that like two penalties over seven
hundred and what seven hundred and sixty snaps or whatever?
You said, Like, that's incredible, So good for him and
way to be locked in.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Uh, let's move to the defensive line. I think your
next guy. You mentioned him briefly and that was yeah, yah.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Black dude, Yeah yeah, yeah black. It was just so
he's the freakiest dude there in my opinion. He's got
the seven foot wingspan, he's enormous, he's got great get off,
and today I think I saw him come to life
a little bit. He had a devastating bull rush in
one on ones, but then you see him in team
drills doing stuff that he didn't do on tape. So
in the Iowa defense, he's really a two gapper, right,
which means if I'm lined up over the guard, I
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got to keep my hands in the guard and when
the tackle comes, I can't disengage the guard because I'm
trying to keep him off the linebacker. Right. But there
were reps and schemes where he was able to do that.
I was like, I want to see him do that
more strike with violence, shed that block and then penetrate
in the backfield. And maybe it's because I was looking
for it and I was waiting for it. But in
the team drill today, great shock and Shed made a
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tackle for loss in the backfield, and you got to
see that juice member. He's a little bit stiff in
the hips. He's like a true two gapper, in my opinion,
has really good hips, like they can squat down, get low.
That's not really who he is. He's just big and strong,
think like EJ. Henderson kind of build like all very
straightforward and that's what he looks like to me. And again,
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he's not that good of a player. He wasn't that
player in college. But I think if you get him
going in the right scheme in the right direction. He
seems like a guy that could be a better pro
than he was a college player.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So my question for you with Yah Yah Black was,
while he was impressive here, he doesn't have the production
in college. So what do you think may be the
reason for that? And how would you coach that up?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So I think for me, it's the thing I just
talked about, it's the scheme. Doesn't seem like he's a
big dude, right, and so you think big dudes two gap, right,
But he's so long with his arms and he's so
like kind of straight line explosive, like let him shot
and shed, offensive lineman, like let him get hands on
people then throw them to the ground. So I do
think the scheme he was in while looking at him,
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you think that's the right scheme for him. I don't
think it was. I think you want him to be
a little bit more aggressive moving forward, a little bit
more aggressive to shot and shed, a little bit more
aggressive to run laterally up and down the line of scrimmage.
And I think if that's where I look at him,
and I say, man, if you get this guy going
in the right direction with the right coach, is he
ever going to be a great pro. Probably not, but
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could he be a very solid rotational piece, A big
man six ' five three forty thirty five and a
half inch arms that you just don't like. He is
maybe the freakiest dude here amongst a bunch of freaky guys,
and to see those flashes from him, you're like, you know, like,
for the Commanders, do you need a run stopping guy
on first second down? Could this be your guy? Especially
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with the type of techniques that the Commanders play where
it's more of a penetrating, one gap system, Like, he
seems like a guy that you could maybe get fourth round,
fifth round that could fit that specific role for a defense. Right.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Absolutely. Okay, let's move to the other side. And by
the way, we're talking about a lot of defensive line
and offensive tackles big or offensive players just in general,
because that's where it seems like the depth is in
the senior book, just so everybody knows, because we haven't
touched on wide receiver and corner linebacker, running back nearly
as much as we did last year.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, and I think because there's not specifically with receiver,
like there's some really good running backs, Like we talked
about the kid from SMU, the guy from UCF. Like
those guys were ATMs here. Yeah, yeah, from Georgia. Hit
a great he hit a great day to day too, Right,
those three guys were awesome, and they're in the second practice.
But really it's like for the running back, like the
game is more important, right, because it's how you break contact,
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And so they look great and run on ones, running
routes and like they're breaking people's ankles and they look
like receivers and for the modern running back in the NFL,
like that's great. But then when you look at the receivers,
there's only a couple of guys here. We talked about
it with Trevor Sikima. There's like three dudes here that
you feel like could be dudes at the next level.
And that's not an indictment of this receiver of these
receivers here, because I think they're all going to be
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some level of professional, But in terms of guys that
you could build pieces around find roles for, it's it's
very limited this year. So that's one of the reasons
we've spent so much time talking about the offensive and
defensive line specifically, because there that's where all like kind
of the studs are this year.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, it seems like that's where the depth is in
the roster at the Senior Bowl this year. All right,
so that was a quick digression. All right, let's go
to offensive tackle here. We got one more.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, so we got we got two guys, so real quick.
So Marcus Mbo. We talked about him briefly yesterday. He's
that really hyper athletic guy from everyone thought he was
going to play center, but a little bit guard today,
play a little bit tackle and won both his one
on ones, and he's a guy that's like a freak
athlete for the position. I'm really excited to see what
he runs at the combine. But a guy that I
think has struggled a little bit earlier in the week
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and kind of came into his own a little bit today.
Looked physical, looked dominant. The anchor showed up in a
way that I wasn't expecting. So again, that's one of
the things that I really wanted to see. And his
college tape honestly kind of reflects this. There's certain games
where he looks a little bit out of sorts. Then
he goes and plays Ohio State and you're like, man,
he looks great against Ohio State. You watch him against
Penn State, all looks pretty good in that game. And
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Abdu abdulh Carter is in there right. So obviously when
you have matchups like that, that's good, but to see
those that flash from him as excellent. And then so
at the end of practice day, the first practice there
was a defensive call out and we already talked about
the defense was on fire today with energy and Anthony Belton,
who we've talked about a little bit throughout, went up
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against Landry Jackson. And Anthony Belton is a guy that
I think from a technical standpoint is insanely raw, but
just in terms of strength and athlete, just size and athleticism,
he's the guy that you kind of jump out of horse.
I was like, man, Lennon Jackson might cook this guy.
He won three consecutive one on ones. He down blocks
somebody so hard in practice today that the player he
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was blocking had to leave practice. Like He's a big, physical,
twitchy guy for that size, and so when I look
at that, I'm like, that's the one guy that might
not be there right now, but because of that twitch
and movement skill, You're like he could project to the
next level, which would be really exciting.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Did you see him perform better today and say, pass
blocking sets or run blocking?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I mean, to me, he really showed up as a
I mean, obviously the call out was great that you
win those three in a row, but to me, it
was the run blocking stuff, and that was something that
we talked about a little bit after the second the
Trevor Sikomun interview was that, you know, the scouts get
to watch the All twenty two, they get to see
the run lanes, and when I watch him, I watched
him specifically in the red zone, like just down blocking,
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cutting people off. The amount of space he's able to
create is huge, and so when you talk about a
commander's needing to improve as a run blocking team, this
guy's technically very raw, but you see his ability to
oncoil his hips. He's three hundred and forty five pounds. Yeah,
he can just move people off the spots. Great power,
great power. That's a great way to put it, for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And so just my my little like negative one him
because I don't mean to be negative, but just because
it applies what I was saying earlier. He has eight
penalties in each of his last two seasons, So that
may give a little bit of a what's the word
I'm looking for, like like a little red flag of
his rawness, right, Like, so you have to clean that up.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
When you mentioned that earlier, I was like, I wonder
how many penalties Anthony Belton had in college because his
hands they're all over the place, Like he's bear hugging dudes,
he's tackling guys, he's pulling guys to the ground. You're like,
I don't know if you need to do all that,
but if you get him with the right coach kind
of like, yeah, yeah, black, actually get him with the
right coach, I wonder what he turns into and then
how he ends up playing.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
So yeah, absolutely, Okay, So we have the interview with
Trevor Sick about coming up here in just one second.
So we he said he give us ten minutes. He
gave us fifteen. He's very like that. Yeah, and I
saw I saw that we we took too much of
his time. So we try to get him out real quick,
and in doing that, we cut off what your stud
(21:05):
was going to be. So, yeah, what we're going to
talk about, as we mentioned in the teas is that
we're going to talk about guys you wish you saw
a little bit more from guys that were like okay, yeah,
all right, that's nice, a nice week. You're not the
top guy, you're not at the bottom, but like you
had a good week. And then your studs. So he
gave us all of those and I cut you off
and didn't let you get your stud in. So let's yeah, yeah, yeah,
(21:27):
and that's fine. So let's put in Paulson's stud right now.
Who is your stud from the combas.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So for me, it's alla wu fend me. Oh the
dead Joe from UCLA, And we talked about him yesterday, right,
is this kind of surprise? Ed Rusher played linebacker, moved
do on a defensive line, and when you talk about
the energy of the first practice, he is the lightning
rod for that. And one on ones. He rushed at
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defensive end, he rushed at three technique, he rushed at noseguard,
and his rep versus a noseguard vers is Jonah Monheim
from usc He won very quickly and immediately started screaming.
We could hear him up in the stands. The whole
defense gets excited. They start running up to him, And
so when they're in the team period and yeah, yeah,
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Black makes that tackle. The first person to go see
him is old Olidjo excuse me, and he's running over
to him. Everyone's stapping him up. Lannon Jackson's getting juiced.
And so in terms of the physical play, the energy
that he brought, like, he's the guy that I'm like,
I don't know, you might have been a terrible college
football player, but you won this week. Yeah, like you
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crushed this week. And we talked about his position change,
and so I've never been probably never since I've done
this more excited to go watch a player's college film.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, well, let me bring that up again in case
someone didn't listen to our last two episodes, which you
should go back and listen to him. But yeah, he
started his career at a middle linebacker, and for UCLA
this year, about halfway through the season, they went, you
know what, let's try you at edge and immediately popped
off with four and a half sacks thirteen point five
tackles for loss, Like just an immediate change. It's like, Okay,
(23:08):
this is where you belong. Sorry, we had you over
there right So but now like, because we've talked several times,
we don't have to blavor it again that you want
production at college level to line up with what you're seeing.
And sometimes the production at college level isn't there because of,
like you said earlier, scheme, right, And sometimes it's because
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maybe maybe there's something else there. But sometimes it's just scheme.
So if you get in the right scheme of the
right coach, and you can project that production to be there.
And in UCLA's case, it's a good thing they moved
him there because that that helps you understand maybe why
he quote unquote struggled with the stats earlier in his career.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah, so he's a guy that really jumped off the
page for me. And again, and I'm not going to
say he's the only reason, because there's a lot of
guys like that. As a rock who's got the Jews Jackson,
like we just talks about Scout the juice he's he
brings that energy. Yeah, yeah, Black brings it so that
it's a more energetic, juiced up group anyway. But I
think he's a big reason why they're like that, you know,
like they had a thing on the first day. And
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I heard this on a different podcast, and I missed it,
but they were like they were doing races in a
bag drill, right, And so Mike Green, who's like, you know,
everyone thinks he's going to be a top twenty five pick.
Maybeah Edge from Marshall, Edge from Marshall goes and the
whole group. It was like, who's the other alpha in
the group And it was old day Joe. So he
had earned the trust and the respect of the group
for them to be like we want him to do it.
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And I think like that just speaks to the week,
the week that he's had from a leadership and competitive standpoint,
like just really really impressive.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So yeah, that's awesome in it and he might be
a guy that might be there for the commanders.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Oh my gosh. And again like I don't know if
he fit, Like I don't know if he is if
his body type fits with what the commanders need. But
in terms of a guy based on this week, based
on three days, and this is where like the scouting
comes important. You got to go to the school, you
got to talk to his high school coach. But god,
if this is how he gets down like there is
he is for sure a commander's type player. Lannon Jackson.
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Commander's type player. This guy Commander's type player, and that
I think is something that again coming out of this week,
is cool to see.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, I think a lot of teams are going to
fall in love with him if he continues to be
like this throughout this process processing up into the draft
a lot like Darius Robinson last year just stood out
at the Senior Bowl with like it's like, Okay, he's
a leader. He's like they just like you said, love
how he gets down right and then move you know,
moved himself up up those draft boards. So maybe he's, uh,
(25:34):
he's this year's Darius Robinson. Okay, so let's move on
to the second half of practice. We're going to briefly
talk about some of the guys that a weren't there. Yeah,
maybe that's why it felt kind of sluggish and a
little slow, and then just some chout outs before we
get into our interview with Tremor.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah. And the reason we're not going to give this
as much time is because this practice was like pulling teeth.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, it looked like they were just going through the
motions to get to the game.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, and so like they've two defensive tackles are out.
Dean Walker, the big defensive tackle from Kentucky, wasn't there.
The Florida defensive tackle who's had a great week, Terrence
something was he had to leave practice early. So they're
repping in guys who like literally their first day of
practice was today. They were at to begin. They don't
have any defensive tackles. It was just a little bit
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of a mess, right. You can tell those guys are
banged up. The offensive line for the other I think
it's the American team. No, the national team banged up.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Like.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
It just was a little little messy, little messy.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
And I want to be clear, I'm not blaming the
players for the lack of energy. Yeah yeah, I'm just
saying like it just felt like as they walked out,
like from the coaching staff down it was like, we're
gonna we're gonna pull back a little bit today.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So which makes sense. They've got a couple of injuries,
like mar Stewart, the defensive end from Alabama that we
are t XA and M that we've talked about a ton,
he wasn't there, so kind of put put his good
resume in and said I'm done. I'm probably gonna be
a top twenty five pick now, so I'll I'll see
it combine. But there are some other guys that I
think deserve. Like we've talked. We talked about SamArt Stewart
(27:07):
a lot because he was so good. But there's four
guys that I just want to mention real quick. So
number fifteen, Jared Ivy. He's six ' five and three
eights inches, two hundred and eighty three pounds, thirty three
and three quarter inch arm is basically the same body
type as Shamar Stewart. And this dude played defensive end.
He rushed from a three technique, he played nose guard,
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and he brought just tremendous juice and movement skills in
athleticism and really, to me, he's not Samar Stewart, because
Samar Stewart's just he's a little bit more filled out,
he's a little bit more rocked up. It's a little
bit more violent with his hands, but it's not far off.
Like there are days when you're watching practice and you're like, oh,
that's Samar Stewart, but it's actually, you know, Jared Ivy,
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And I think for Samar Stewart to get all this
credit and no one's talking about Jared Ivy seems a
little bit unfair because of how physically dominant he was
at times this year, Like there was during this week
of practice, there were times where Schama Stewart's playing defensive end,
Jared Ivy's playing three technique and they both beat their
guy immediately. They both stuffed the run or he sets
the edge or sits a knee on a double team.
(28:12):
And I just came away not knowing a lot about
him as a player, but seeing the length, the physicality,
the technique, the energy that he brings, the ability to
play multiple spots along the defensive line. He's a guy
that really stood out to me as a guy that
feels like a second round pick now. But and again,
if the Commanders, you know, can't get SAMR. Stewart for
whatever reason, there's other guys like him in this draft
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that are are very physically impressive.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, he is from Old miss I just wanted to
throw that out there.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And PFF has his overall grade and a ninety point six.
That's pretty high. Very and also he was the MVP
defensive MVP in the Peach Bowl not last year, but
the year before, so he's yeah, he's a player like
he's been around, he's a ball or he knows what's
going on anybody else.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, just two more defensive ends. Xavion will from LSU.
He's six ' five and one eighth so a little
bit shorter, two hundred and eighty nine pound, twohundred and
ninety pounds, thirty three and a half inch arms and
very similar to the other two guys we just talked about.
And that's why he's so impressive. He's a little bit
all over the place, a little bit of a crazy
horse in terms of movement, but can rush from the edge,
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can rush from the interior, can hold up versus double
teams on the interior, and again can set really hard
edges in the run game. Has a little bit more
bend than you'd think looking at him, kind of an
unusual mover, kind of a hunched over kind of running style.
But again, like I like flexibility in the defense. I
know Joe Whitt Junior likes flexibility and defense. And these
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three dudes to me, including Samar Stewart from A and
M All kind of fit that mold to me of
guys that could play. I can rush from the edge
on first and second down, as a good solid pass rusher.
I can also rush as a three technique, I can
play four. Iye, and a pinch like that to me
is tremendous. And they all were very productive this week.
And then another guy is R. J. Open from Notre Dame.
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He's sixty three and three eights, two hundred and fifty
five pounds, He's got thirty three to couarter inch arms.
He just flashes a rusher to me, like when they
did one on ones, he just had didn't maybe not
winning every single rep, but the ability to bend some
good handwork, excellent first step get off. And I don't know,
I got to watch more of his college stuff. I've
(30:22):
only watched one game of his and I didn't really
get I didn't get that what I saw today from
his film so or what I saw from the last
three days from his film. So, a guy that we
in terms of giving guys late shoutouts in the week,
just definitely deserves a shout out because he brought great energy,
very competitive, He shows those couple of things you need
to see from top end pass rushers, and so I
(30:44):
just want to make sure our listeners got got a
feel for what he is.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So The next guy I want you to bring up
real quick. You mentioned him a linebacker in the rundown,
But linebacker for me is very hard to tell what is.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
There? So this, this is what I'll say to you
about this guy, right, Tamar James from Florida. He's six
one and three eight so almost six two, two hundred
and twenty seven pounds. Hes got thirty and a half
inch arms. That feels like a safety to me. Right.
So the things that you do well at the Senior Bowl,
right that where you get recognition are you cover and
you make splash plays in the run game by running
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sideline a sideline Okay. The technical like I'm gonna take
on a block, I'm gonna dent the edge, I'm gonna
sit this double team down, I'm gonna blitz like that
stuff doesn't show up as much because you're in practice. Right,
So you're not gonna get the same kind of what's
the word, same kind of down to down kind of
head bashing things that you'd get from normal linebacker play. Right,
(31:47):
It's more like can he cover? Yes? Like Demetrius Knight,
the linebacker that everyone kind of came in watching. I
think he's from South Carolina fits that mold. He's six
to one, he's two forty six, He's got long arms,
thirty four inch arms, and he can really like thump
a little bit, right. He had a big hit yesterday
in practice, so that's he's probably going to be a
more successful professional linebacker. But Sherman James, like in one
(32:10):
on ones covered really well. Had he had the highest
miles per hour in terms of running for a linebacker
at the Senior Bowl over the last three days twenty
miles an hour, which is absolutely moving. He is able
to trigger in the run game and get down hill.
He had a couple tackles for losses. But I wonder if,
like when you're in a game situation, how much does
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that speed, how much does that velocity actually show up?
Because he only has thirty and a half inch arms.
So think about, for example, the linebackers that the Washington
Commanders drafted last year. Dominic Campton, safety linebacker. He's got
thirty three and a half inch arms. Jeremy McGhee has
I think they're If they're not, they're like thirty three
in a quarter, right, Like they're long armed guys, because
you need those long arms to keep offensive Lineman off. You.
(32:54):
This guy's fast, he's athletic, he's a great coverage player
that feels like a special teams guys maybe to me
at the next level, like a guy with that kind
of juice and speed and pop. But I think he's
going to struggle to actually play linebacker. But he had
a great week. He covered well, He did the things
that the Senior Bowl for linebackers shows them, and I
(33:14):
felt like we need to shout him out.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, and he this season was his best college season
with sixty four tackles. He had a couple of past
the defenses as well, so could in coverage as an
interception and two sacks. This year it was his best
statistical year. He's a former five star recruiter that chose
Florida over Alabama, Georgia and Florida State and Auburn. So
(33:37):
the reason I'm saying all that is to back up
what you're saying, like he looks like an athlete. Also, Mobile,
Alabama is his hometown, so he was playing in front
of his family. I'm sure it's helt very at home here.
So he had a good week.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yeah, And so is he going to be an NFL linebacker?
Probably not, But is he going to be a special
teams player, maybe have a package on defense? I could
see for him again, because at mobile you don't like
you're not taking it. It's like team run, you know
what I mean. You're not taking on blocks, you're not
denting stuff the same way. So while he had a
(34:10):
good week, I'm not sure. We'll have to go watch
this film a little bit more closely to see if
any of that stuff translates in a way that maybe
we're not anticipating.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, so now it's time we're done here
at the Senior Bowl. We'll have an interview right now
with PFF's lead draft guru, god By Trevor sac Yeah,
he's a friend of the pot. He comes on. We'll
have him on a couple of times this year. He's
always very nice and especially with his time. And you
(34:42):
two have a little bit of a disagreement. We do, right,
So it gets a little heated. I would say that
if he was maybe one hundred pounds bigger, he would
have thrown fist with you. But he is much smaller
than you, so I think he was more reserved. But
it got really heated.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
You hit you.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Now I'm just kidding you. Guys are very respectful. But
it's a pretty good debate over a big name that
was here at the Senior Bowl. So stick around for that,
all right, everybody, here's Trevor Sikima. All right, Logan, we
are here with our very special guests from PFF. Trevor Sikima,
lead draft analyst, got to write this time here go. Yeah,
Logan gets it wrong every time I told him he
should make a bit out of it. Just give you
(35:20):
some random title. Every time you come up.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
You can beat me up.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
So my rule is I don't correct people who could
beat me up, like the kicker from the Replacements.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
That's what I want to hear.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
All right, So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna
talk about three guys each, so six in total. A
guy that had a We'll start with a kay, you
want to see a little bit more from right, Like
they came out to Senior Bowl and I don't know,
it's just you're neither here nor there on them. You
want to see a little more. The next one is, hey,
they had a good performance. They're not gonna be on
hitting social media in the viral post and you're not
(35:55):
gonna hear their name a lot. But hey, good week,
you did, you did good, you're nice, did a night,
had a nice thing year? And then guy that stood
out right, So we'll do the stood out last, because
that's how you tease in the business, all right, So Logan,
why don't you kick it off for us?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
So this is the one. What are we doing starting
with or starting with guys.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
That were yeah, yeah, you want to see more from
So for me, I.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Think it's Jalen Rivers, the guard Tackle from Miami. And
again I think he I really liked this film, like
really strong dude, great anchor, kind of slow feet, and
I thought in the one on one today, I don't
think he won one of them, and obviously, like you'd
like to see some type of consistency. There was some
good stuff in team which I thought was good physicality,
good understanding, good leadership stuff. But I came in kind
of thinking this guy could potentially be a starting guard
(36:35):
in the NFL. And so now when there's that kind
of struggle with the quicker, faster edge rusher or interior rushers,
you're kind of like, maybe I gotta go back and
look at the film one more time and again that's
not not again. The film's good. He played tackle who
played guard at Miami. Big physical dude, but just kind
of puts a little question there for you about where
he is long term.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
And he played well Day one. Yes, this this this
event was a little bit back when it came to
the trenches. Normally, day one, it's the d line that
absolutely dominates, right because it's a lot of one on ones.
The drill is sort of set up for them to win.
The offensive lineman. They don't watch a lot of tape
on these guys beforehand. They don't know their strength, they
don't know their speed, and so normally defensive linemen get
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the better of the offensive lineman to start the week.
This week, for this particular Senior Bowl, I feel like
the offensive line came out and came das immediately. And
Jalen Rivers was one of those guys day one who
I thought played really well at that guard spot. It
was very intriguing, but kind of to your point, like
you would want to see that sustain over a three
day period to really be a riser at this event.
And so still intrigued by him just because of the
(37:36):
first Day one he played played well but yeah, I
could see sort of Okay, it was a really good
week for him that dropped off a little bit.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Then yeah, wanted to see a little bit more for
him their consistency.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, And then again that's that's part of the deal here.
It's like this is one data point, you know, so
you kind of want to see. So that's the other thing.
Like Brandon Coleman last year was kind of up and
down at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, but he was a
great player for the Washington Commanders this year. So like,
just because you have a poor or kind of lukewarm
Senior Bowl doesn't mean you're not going to be a
great pro, right, just keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
More up, it's more of an event where I was
telling somebody this the other day, Like the baseline of
the event is putting guys in two buckets?
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Are you an NFL player? Are you not?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
And it's almost like you take away much more of
the positives than you do the negatives because there's so
many variables about this week that kind of are going
against you. You're not watching film, new coaching staff, probably
not getting a lot of sleep, You're getting pulled in
a lot of different directions. You get a lot of media,
and so it's like all this kinds of stuff kind
of prohibits you from probably playing your best.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
And then if you stand out, it's like, Okay, that's noteworthy.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
And if you have a little bit of an up
and down rough week, it's like, Okay, it's not like
you said, like with Coleman, it's not like a kiss
of death or anything, but it's just sort of something
that you got to think about moving forward throughout the
rest of You're so the guy that I want to
see more of the there's no doubt about it, is
Jackson dar At, the quarterback from Hole Miss, And you know,
we're not really going to see more of him before
Draft Day when it comes to actual on the field play.
(38:53):
But this is somebody who the numbers are fantastic. I
mean even our scores at PFF. I mean, he's got
elite passing numbers on you know, clean pocket situations, early
passing down situations. He's got good numbers when you talk
about scrambling, when you talk about under pressure. So he
performs really well. But I think Lane Kiffin's system allows
you to perform very well. Kind of simplifies things for
you where you're really only putting one defender in conflict,
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if you will, And it's a play where it's like,
all right, we'll read this defender. If he's going this way,
you're going high. If he's going this way, you're going low.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
And so he was.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
He's a great two sport athlete, played baseball in high school.
There's a lot to like about this player. But something
that was very intriguing about him this week is one,
I was looking to see what he was like in
his confidence level, was like outside of that Lane Kiffin system.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
But two, this guy played over night.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
He had over nine hundred dropbacks over the last two
years as starting quarterback for Ole mess Nine of them
came under center, and I think a handful of them
came in victory formation. So just he's never an under
center quarterback. He had three funnels this week under center
when they were trying to put him in those uncomfortable situations.
And you could say to yourself, Hey, if we draft
this guy, he's clearly just a shotgun comfortable quarterback. But
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how many teams in the NFL are Josh. I mean,
it's like the Bengals with Zach Taylor. You know, it's
Brian Callahan with the Titans, and it's like there's just
not a lot. I mean, I know Cliff Kingsbury does
a lot of stuff from the shotgun as well, but
it's just there's not a ton of shotgun only offenses
and shotgun only offense coordinator. So that was part of
like the questions of like, all right, this is what
we would like to see from Darten failed seems like
(40:20):
a hard harsh word. We didn't see him look super
comfortable in those new and in there's new situations like
we would have.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Wanted to see one hundred percent. But I also thought,
like of the guys throwing, he threw it the best,
Like it comes out of his hand the best.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
He's got it in a middle arm, there's no doubt
about it.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
So like in terms of your like evaluation, like how
would you wait this performance? Like did you like where
did you have him before today? And then where do
you have him now?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I guess it's I'm kind of a skeptic of a
lot of the quarterbacks that come from Lane Kiffin's system.
Now I think Jackson Dart is better than it's like
a Matt corral right, who's like the most recent guy.
I think that Jackson Dart is more talented than Matt
Corow was. I think he's built more like an NFL player,
and you just mentioned the arm talent, so I think
all of that is there. But he is somebody who
I would be worried about taking high and then because
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he's a high draft pick, tempted to play him right away.
I just think that you're going to go through a
lot of ups and downs in that regard. So maybe
he gets in a situation where hopefully he can sit
for a year or two whatever, and we'll see what
the situation is like for him. But there are other
people who are here. You think maybe he's the third
quarterback off the board.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
I don't know where that goes.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
If that means like he's a first round pick or
now one of those No I am. I am again,
I'm more of a I am more hesitant on that
just because you feel I guess, so the third guy
for me, I guess it's a little bit of an
interesting segue. I had Milroe is QB three sort of
going in this event, but I mean, Miilroe was just
continuously inconsistent.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
And I'll tell you the.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Biggest takeaway that I have for jayl and Milroe this
week is unfortunately a negative, and it's actually the hand size.
I didn't think that his hand size was going to
be as small as it was. And I know we
had this conversation what wasn't four years ago with Burrow
and everybody.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Was like who cares?
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Right?
Speaker 4 (41:57):
I mean, like, you know what's to throw the ball.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
But for Milroe, you got to think about it practically,
and it actually matters for him because he's got eight
and three fours inch hand size, which is just second
percentile for NFL quarterbacks. He's got small hands for the
NFL level. His throwing motion is so twitched up. It
is so fast that when you don't have bigger hands
to truly just control the football all the way through
(42:20):
the throwing motion and out of your wrist, that's where
some of those little ball placement in accuracy issues come from.
So I get worried about that because I don't think
his throwing motion is going to get any slower.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
You don't want it to be.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
He's a great athlete, he's got a live arm to him.
But I wonder if it's just he's never really going
to be able to have that grip on the football
that you need to throw the football the way that
he stylistically does, and so I like his talent. I
think he's an NFL player. He's got great rushing ability
and everything I've heard about this kid is that he's
(42:52):
a great, great work ethic and whatever you think the
ceiling is for Jalen Milroe, you think he's got the
He's made up of the stuff to get to it.
So that's such a that's such a crucial part for
me when it comes to evaluating these quarterbacks, and that's
why I have him at QB three. But it's it's
just tough when again you see the measurements and you go, man,
is this just gonna be who is who he is?
(43:14):
And it's tough for him to It's tough for you
to look at his film and think the accuracy that
he is right now is who he's going to be,
because that's not good enough to be an NFL starter.
It's got to get better one way enough.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
So it sounds like you're luke warm on both those guys.
I am, yeah, I kind of like kind of something
you want to see more from both. Who's the guy
that you were kind of liked a really good but
kind of kind of quiet week, maybe not a social
media week.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I think that the two wide receivers from Iawa State,
I think have had pretty good weeks this year.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
They were supposed to be get like I mean, just
they were good coming in right now.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
But Jalen Nole is the one where I look at
him and I think Jayden Higgins, his teammate, gets a
lot of just like the higher notoriety. I think he's
higher on wide receiver list, but Noel, he's smaller, he's
more compact, but he's quicker, he's more explosive, he's got
better body control, and he is somebody who I felt
like was a little bit more consistent the whole week.
And I like, no I've watched his film over the
(44:04):
last couple of years, and he's somebody who I think
he had a pretty good week. Again, it's you're not
gonna see the social media eclipse from him, but he
just feels like.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
He's an NFL player in a year or two.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
If you hear about him as the wide receiver three
for some team, and he's just he's just eating every
single week. He's getting you know, three four catches for
forty fifty sixty yards a week and he's just contributing
to the passing game. You go, that's a valuable player.
So he's somebody who, again I don't know if he's
necessarily wowed, but I think you're impressed with what he is,
knowing that that's sort of gonna be his role at
(44:35):
the NFL level because you're seeing it out here.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I was really impressed that he kind
of did most of his stuff for a lot of
his stuff outside on the perimeter this week, which again,
like you think I when I watched him, I was like,
he's more of a slot guy. But again, to have
like the horsepower they're out running nuance to win outside
kind of like in the deep water, I thought was
really impressive. But that's not something that you're going to
see on like a TikTok right or something, you know
what I mean. Zone, It's like, oh, look at his alignment.
That's kind of boring. So for me, I'm gonna go
(44:58):
I'm saying I was said, we got Jealen Travis, the
left tackle or right tackle from Iowa. SA nice, And
I think the thing about him is like he measured
really well and kind of a small school guy that
transferred in tow Iiowa State obviously, and I liked his
I don't know. I liked his physicality. I liked how
he kind of was able to pass protec move his feet,
and didn't like, you know, like wow, not going to
have a lot of pancake blocks or anything like that.
(45:19):
But a guy that I thought showed that in a
year or two could be you know, NFL swing maybe
a right tackle starting caliber player at some point in
his career. So that was one that I really, I
really thought no one was talking about, and I thought
he did a great job this week.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I haven't watched him a ton, I really haven't.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
But the offensive tackle group, I think in general, is
making some money for them last week, and even even
the guys who aren't you know, just absolutely dominating out there,
like you said, they measure they're probably measured in physically.
For like NFL tackles, there's just gonna be a lot
of guys who were at this event where either going
to get drafted to play tackle or even maybe move inside.
There's there's a lot of NFL caliber offensive tackles, even
(45:53):
though it might not be the top ten guys a
lot of guys in this class, but there's I mean,
there's just it's littered with offensive linemen.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
All right, So now who's your stud for the week.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Mike Green. Mike Green, the addresser from Marshall.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Dude, it so funny. I almost put him as my
like I wanted more from.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Him, Okay, all right, what'd you want more?
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Well, I think as you hyped him up so much
on your show, honestly, because when I came in, he
because he's good. No, no, So I'll tell you this.
So like when I came in, I was expecting a
guy I kind of like a lot too lot to
last year. He just was like a like a killer, yeah,
like a guy who just had that innate feel. And
so like when I was watching him, like Anthony ben
Anthony Belton beats him on a one on one.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Javis had a good week. That's a good shadow too.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, Jalen Travis won a couple one on ones against him,
and I was just like, I want to see him
just be dominant. And again he has the one big
rep that everyone saw on social media. He murders the
guy from Oregon who had a great Week two. But
I just thought i'd see more a guy with seventeen
sacks in college, I thought there'd be more consistent wins.
So I think that was the thing that said got
to me.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
So I think he really leaned on winning with athleticism
this week, and I think that he is. He's just
a reach your sophomore coming out of coming out of Marshall,
And I wasn't even sure if he was going to
declare this year. So I can see where you're coming
from of like, okay, because certainly if you compare him
to a lot, to him mean a lot too, was
like a like a black belt in karate with a hand.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
I think that's what I'm saying is like I thought
that's that was the expectation. I was talking about him
maybe in a top twenty five.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Pick and so so to me, he's he's a top
twenty five pick less because of how polished he is
and more because of I just think he's a great athlete.
And beyond the one rep that, yeah, you're talking about
where he absolutely bulldoze Josh Connery, there are a couple
where so he's a form basketball player and like he
does he does like the hesy move to try to
like cross people up before he gets to attack either
the inside or outside shoulder. I love that he showed
(47:34):
up and he was two hundred and fifty pounds and
he looks like a solid two hundred fifty punds right
for sure. He does not look like, oh he's just
put on waterway for this event or whatever. The arm
length is short, the armlengked is shorter, so he will
have to be more precise with his handwork to continue
to win at the NFL level. But I just feel
like I saw the first step exposion. This really stood
out more like you're more like the traits were there
(47:55):
one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
I I agree with.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
I checked to the athleticism boxes with Mike Green this
week because I was I was like, Okay, that's a
first round caliber edge rusher when you come to just
the explosiveness and who he is.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Maybe not as polish as like to, but yeah the
trade already get that polished.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
I mean, was a maniac.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Yeah, that dude was again like a just a karate
master with with how he kept himself clean with the
hand usage.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, really karate master. I like that term.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Guys. Awesome conversation. I bet all the other justic guys
like me have learned a whole lot. I really enjoyed
Trevor when you when you joined the show. Your insights
are always excellent. Everybody can catch you on the NFL
stock Exchange for PFF. So thank you once again Trevor
for joining us the PFF senior lead Draft dude.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, you know, let's just keep if you make it
a little bit longer. Again, like, I'm never gonna correct
you on it. So it's always great hopping on with you, guys.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
This is it.
Speaker 4 (48:51):
This is always great.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Thank you so much. So that's gonna be a ticket
to the draft. That's gonna be us wrapping it up
here from the Senior Bowl. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
We will come to you weekly and then once we
get through the combine, we'll do these daily. Since and
so logan sign us off.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
M hm m hm.
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