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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's episode a Ticket to the Draft Podcast with
a combine right around the corner, we look at wide receivers.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
What traits do you look for in a wide receiver?

Speaker 1 (00:08):
We talk that extensively and commanders who could they possibly
pair with?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Terry McLaurin.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
We got a top fifteen wide receiver breakdown and you
might be surprised who number one is. But we also
have a really heated debate about the number overall pick
and what the value is there at cornerback and wide
receiver hand hit. That all starts right now.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Welcome into the Ticket the Draft Podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I'm Logan Paulson here with just the guy Jason, and
we so appreciate you guys listening each and every week.
We appreciate the comments you're bringing. We're trying to decide
what position, what position group, we're going to do next.
We're doing wide receivers today, We're thinking about doing defensive tackles.
That seems like a one position group with a ton
of depth. Can we talk about that. That's going to

(00:55):
come after we do our combine coverage next week, which
is we're going to do a podcast every day were
out in Indianapolis. We're going to do, you know, cover
the drills for the first day, second day, third day,
fourth day, all the way through Sunday where they're real
cycles here doing draft evaluation. But after that we want
to know which position you guys want to see, so
please make sure you leave a comment. And today, like
I just mentioned, we are doing wide receivers and this

(01:17):
is one that I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Everybody loves to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
I feel like everyone kind of has identified as a
need or a potential need for the commanders. So I'm
really excited to delve into this position group. Jason, Yeah,
it's pretty deep, huh.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I mean it feels deep.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I mean, I think that's the thing about receivers is
every year, you know, it was like the peak's not
as higher, it's not as good.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
But I do think you can find.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Really good ballplayers at this position group, specifically because of
how college offenses look.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
There's just so many wide receivers.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Well compared to last year, Like I think it's hard
to say, Like, I think it's a hard comparison because
the top end of the wide receiver from last year.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
Was like elite.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yes, as far as draft.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Prospects coming out of there, like a quarterback position. So,
but what I mean by like this is deep is like, yeah,
I think there are a lot of good football players
here that could be later round guys that are going
to be contributors. Yeah, And last year, to me, last year,
I think it was like you get into after the
top ten, maybe there's like a shift down sure where

(02:18):
like those guys can kind of get bundled up. But
we're going to do top fifty, your top fifteen today,
and I think all these guys could be contributors. Now
that doesn't mean they're going to be number ones, right,
but I think they're going to be contributors on teams.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I think that's a good distinction because you're really kind
of shifting your focus and kind of your evaluation a
little bit. And I do think like we're going to
get into some football players, especially like fifteen to ten
that on this list we're about to talk about that
I think are going to play like a lot and
could be have like starting caliber upside. You know, I'm
talking not like hey to either your third guy, like hey,

(02:51):
this guy could be a true two. And that's where again,
like there's some guys on this list that we're going
to talk about in Logan's extras that section we always
do at the end. That didn't make this list because
I'm not sure that they could actually progress into this
level or there's other questions about their play. But I
do think in watching there are a lot of very
good football players, a lot of guys that are very talented,
and guys that when I got into the film, I

(03:11):
was like, man, this guy's better than I thought he
would be. He's more explosive than I thought it would be,
can do more than I think. He catches the ball well,
and it really kind of especially in that like let's
see what on my list, like nine to fifteen range,
they were just like receivers, receivers, if that makes sense,
Like they just do everything well. They've got this great
body control, they tracked the ball well, they've got strong hands,

(03:34):
and I just was like, I love this.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I love what this guy does.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
They get after it in the run game, or they're
maybe not get after it, but they're willing in the
run game. They're willing participants. They've got a little bit
of edge to their game. And so it was a
really kind of interesting evaluation for some of these guys,
especially given kind of the narrative leading into this process.
And it's funny how expectations lead to different things. Right,
people say it's bad, you kind of expect to be bad,
and so when you find some good stuff, you're like, who,

(03:57):
this is pretty good. So a little bit of a
flip on its head.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
And I also think that figuring out what the wide
receiver draft value would be just the position itself. Every year,
it seems like that's going up and up and up
and up and up. So it's quarterback, left tackle, wide receiver.
It almost feels like that that's where you're going to
spend a lot of capital.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
And edge rushers too.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, And I think that's a really interesting conversation with
regards to draft philosophy. So what I mean by that
is like, obviously quarterbacks the number one, right, but in
this year's class, it's kind of a weaker offensive line class.
So are you going to mortgage if you're the Washington Commanders,
for example, that twenty ninth pick on an offensive tackle,
because it's going to be harder to find one later.

(04:39):
When you look at the receiving group, you look at
the edge rusher group, you look at the defensive line group,
you look at the running back group, even the tight
end group, it's pretty long, you know, like the peak
isn't maybe as high as it spend the past couple
of years. Tight End is probably the exception, they're running
back exception, but the peaks for some of these positions,
but there seems to be really quality depth. And if
you no, and maybe this is kind of a reflection

(05:01):
on what Adam did last year, is if you know
what you're looking for, if you know what kind of person,
what kind of athlete is desired to fit your to
fit your defensive and offensive vision, in your team vision,
I think you can find some really talented pieces later on.
I think this receiving group kind of illustrates that.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah, and before we jump into what's on the rundown,
I wanted to ask you a question when it comes
to receiver and what you like to say being mitigating risk.
So last year, for example, there were so many teams
that wanted quarterbacks and it was a great quarterback class.
The same thing with wide receiver. There are a lot
of very good wide receivers in that class. So when
that happens, like you, like you were referring to some

(05:41):
other positions, kind of shift down so this year because
most positions aren't super top heavy. This year, you have
your consensus two quarterbacks, you think they'll maybe go pretty
high just because of quarterback, and then you have probably
I would say two, maybe three, maybe four. Like when
we get into this list of wide receivers who you
think are like at that top echelon to.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
You talk about guys?

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah maybe, I mean, well, top ten is gonna definitely two,
like two of these guys could potentially be there. But
is that because it's wide receiver and these guys are
that elite and we'll get into that when we get
to them exactly. Or is it because like you said,
some of these other positions are not stacked at the top,
Like last year we had six quarterbacks go and that
pushes everything down, So you're getting wide receivers like a

(06:29):
Brian Thomas Jr. For example, much later.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, I think that's a really good question. I think
like with defensive end, with linebacker, this year probably a
little bit better. With defensive tackle, those positions seem to
be a lot deeper, a lot denser. And I think
you see that when you're looking at mock drafts, you
know that are being put out now, there's a lot
of defensive players, you know, DB's kind of down is
the word I'm going to use. I think there are

(06:53):
some really good players here, but a lot of guys,
of the top guys are coming off injuries. You know,
they didn't play a full season, so like it's hard
with the evaluation. But I do think that with this group,
like these top two guys, and we're going to talk
about them more specifically later. I don't know if they're
in the top they cracked that top three of last year,
but I think they're really really good football players.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, and we're going to dissect that, which is going
to be a fun little game that we do. All Right,
before we get going, I want to do real quickly
some term clarification and then ask you, like big picture
backing out, what are you looking for.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
In a wide receiver?

Speaker 3 (07:24):
So the first thing is when you talk about like
different types of releases, can you somehow give me, like
vocalize a visual thing when you're talking about a release
or a receiver.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
So basically, like when I'm thinking about releases, you're thinking
about kind of your initial off the line of scrimmage release,
So like you're first let's say three steps for example, right,
if the guy's pressed, like, where's his leverage, where's the
defense or defender lined up over the receiver? And then
what am I thinking about to beat that player? How
am I going to beat his leverage?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
How many?

Speaker 1 (07:55):
How am I going to get to where he doesn't
want me to go? So a lot of people think, oh,
I'm going to use a speed release, that's fine, or
maybe a jab like where I'm jabbing at the guy
he widens out. I have free access now and i
can work into the defense and I've got a double
stick where I can do a little bit of a
jab out jab back in. He overplays the second job,
and I'm able to work outside that leverage, right and

(08:15):
off of that, those are kind of like what I
would kind of characterize as your basics.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
But then there's stems off of that, And so stems.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Are basically, if the player's an off coverage, how would
I approach that player to get him to open his
hips to maybe stettle his feet like So, for example,
people talk a lot about like me here on some
of the other shows, like a diamond release. A diamond
release isn't really like a release to me. It's a stem,
and a stem is basically how I work into the
meat of my route. Like I'm taking an angle kind

(08:43):
of making the defensive back thing one thing. Then I
drop my hips, I sink in, and I break the
leverage and cut across his face the same way I
would at the line of scrimmage. I'm just doing it
off of a different stem, right off of a different stem.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Or growth a growth opportunity there.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
So those are some things that I think about when
I'm when running routes, and so you got to think about,
like when you're looking at a receiver specifically, like what
is how deep is that bag for them? Can they
work a jab? Can they work a double stick? Can
they work multiple stems? And then in that stem kind
of the vertical portion of your route, what are your indicators?
So like dbs are used to your running routes at

(09:19):
five yards it's a three step slant, it's a twenty
yard dig or fifteen yard dig. Can I put a
little seasoning at those kind of route running depths to
make them think something else and then break that expectation.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
And so when you watch a really.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Refined route runner, that's something that really comes to the forefront,
and there's a couple guys, especially in the top five,
that I think have a really solid grasp of that ability,
and that's one of the reasons they're in the top
five of my list.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
So it's a mix of technical yeah, right, because you
want good clean footwork. But it's also this is the
chess game, yes you're talking about, So it's like, can
they play chess not checkers?

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Here?

Speaker 3 (09:59):
This is not like you're in the backyard or I'm
in the backyard and I'm like, hey, run ten yards
and then cut across, right, Like, no, you're setting somebody
up with these different type of releases to make that
because cornerbacks are too talented for a guy to just go, Okay,
I'm just gonna sprint by you.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
And there are some guys who can do that, you know,
like your Calvin Johnson, you're Julio, like your one percent
of the one percent type physical specimens. But most guys
need to be smart, yeah, savvy rout runners. I think
you look at Terry McLaurin here in Washington, like he's
pretty smart. Like it's not always picture perfect, the hipstone
always sink the right way, but he understands that the
subtle nuances on stems. I think about all the goes

(10:37):
that he ran this year where he stems of the
DB's inside shoulder.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
The dB thinks he's running.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
A dig Yep, he works vertical and he's you know,
get the big play versus Philadelphia, you get the big
play at the end of the half, versus the New
York Giants. So those are some some plays that really
stick out to me. Is really good stem work and
just having a good feel for what's going on. So yeah,
like when I see most receivers don't have that elite
horsepower most like we're talking about like you know, Randy
and like Tyreek Hill, like the.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
One of the Way.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, yeah, like very special guys. But these the ability
to understand what the DB's looking at. How do I create?
What I like to say when I'm coaching a receiver
is create a story, tell them a story, and then
kind of pull the rug out from under him at
the very end, right thriller. Yeah, you set the narrative, right,
You set the narrative here In terms of running the route,

(11:24):
he's thinking a couple of things. He's thinking at the
down and distance. He's looking at your split on the field.
Can you do something with that to make them think
something different? And I think a lot of these guys,
surprisingly to me, showed an ability to do that at
a high level, which was again I was surprised by
it because so like, that's kind of what I'm looking
at there is is what is your understanding of the game,

(11:46):
and it shows up in how you run routes.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
And I love they use Terry as the example because
you broke this down on our Command center show. Anybody
can watch. That's on YouTube on the Commander's YouTube channel.
Every Thursday we do command centers, you break down film
and you did that with a Terry early this year
of like how he wins in certain routes and you
had a go route and I can't remember who it
was against, but I want to say it was the
one against Philadelphia that you were talking about, and he

(12:09):
was being covered by Quinnyan Mitchell, who is was a
fantastic rookie, and as we know, his closing speed and
his speed just in general was what is his superpower?
And Terry's able to get behind him because it's not
I'm faster than you, it's I've set you up all game.
And this is a veteran versus a rookie and welcome
to the NFL.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, and I think it shows Terry's understanding of coverage
and when you watch good like Justin Jefferson's another great example.
We'll talk about a guy who understands the defense's leverage,
like they're positioning where they don't want you to go.
How I can break that leverage like Travis Kelcey in
his prime. Like all these guys look different doing it,
but they all have ways of creating their own narratives

(12:48):
and writing their own stories. And again, like we're going
to talk about how these guys on this list get
that done.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
So all right, well, we're going to quickly go through
these others because I think that one is the most
important the talk out. But tied with that is top
end speed. When you say top end speed, what are
you referring to?

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, so top end speed is just like your ability
and to me, this is a little bit of a misnomer.
With receivers, it's more like your ability to accelerate.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Okay, that's kind of more what it is.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Like everyone says always top end speed is really good, yes,
but in route running, it's more about the initial like,
how fast do I get to my top speed right
because I want to make sure I'm stressed. I'm stressing
the defense right now. So your ability to run by quickly,
sustain that acceleration and then get to that top end
number and then catch that ball over the top.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
I think about your go ball, your posts.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
There's a guy in here that I think he's high
on my list because of that ability, or he's kind
of right in the middle now that I'm looking at,
but I'm high on and because of his ability to
get vertical. He's a great accelerator, get this top end speed.
He makes you feel the speed. He makes you feel
you know the depth of the field from a defensive standpoint,
which I love.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
So that's kind of what I'm talking about there.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
And you know, some people apply it to after the catch,
but I find that sometimes the top end guys aren't
great after the catch. They're not great in terms of
vertical stuff. It's more like acceleration ability to maintain that
ability to fight through contact and then make plays on
the football. But I think that's kind of what colloquial
people will use to kind of say, oh, top end speed,
your ability to make a player over the top. It's
more nuanced than just speed. But I think that's the

(14:18):
thing that people throw out about.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, for any car people out there, right when you
do a quarter miles, you have horsepower. Right, if there's
a car that has great horsepower, that's good once you
get up to that horse power, but then you have torque.
You have to be able to get to that top
end top end speed in this instance, so when we're
talking about wide receiver, they can have top end speed
that's super super fast, but if it takes them four

(14:42):
seconds to get there, right, Like, that's why forty times
it's not just a forty time it's off the line.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
It's a splits down.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
To how quickly that their torque to get up to
that top end speed. So once now we're talking about
stretching the field, but sometimes we talk about short area.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Oh yeah, so what do we mean there?

Speaker 2 (15:01):
This is a big deal. There's a lot of guys
in this class that embody this.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
They're maybe not outside receivers, but they have great short
aira quickness, so the ability to decelerate in as few
steps as possible and then accelerate out. So Santana MOUs
is a great example of this his ability to just
like literally be running full speed, stick his foot in
the ground and go back in the direction he came.
I mean it was he was one of one in
my career in terms of guys that were able to

(15:24):
do that. Pierre Garson, you know, kind of had this
raw horsepower deceleration on the deep comebacks, but not quite
as subtle and as quick in the short area. It's
like this reactive strength that again usually smaller, shorter leverage
guys have, And I think that's something that again like
when you know it, you see it. But your ability

(15:45):
to kind of sink your hips, get down, plant your
foot violent in the ground and then not get stuck in.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
The turf and accelerate out.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
So acceleration deceleration maybe is the short air quickness term,
but it's a huge deal, especially when you're working from
the slot, when you're working kind of that short intermediate
rout tree from the perimeter, that shows up big time.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
And I'm gonna lump these three together. Attacking the ball,
soft hands, and body control.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, so really all those things to me are just
how you catch the football, do you fight the football.
There's a couple of guys on here that I would
have had higher, but I felt like they were a.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Little stiff catching the football.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
And I know I was thinking about it the other
day after we did our Defensive End show. And I
use the word stiffness a lot, but when I'm talking
about it, basically, there's an athleticism to kind of ease
of movement. And if you see that restriction, you're kind
of like, he's not the best athlete, right, he doesn't movies,
he's not a dancer. And so when you see someone
kind of with the stiff arms, the stiff hands, the

(16:38):
big wide fingers, and the ball smacks in their fingers
and it kind of bounces off their chest like they
don't catch the ball naturally, they don't have soft hands,
they don't absorb it well, they're not tracking it well.
Then you get the guys who are jumping up and
using kind of their dexterous body control to track the football,
and then you apply the soft hands print of all there, right,
and then the body control, to me is the thing
you see in the gauntlet. You see on the fade,

(16:59):
you see on the back shoulder throw on a dig
like where you're running across the middle of field and
the quarterback is trying to throw you to protect yourself
and you got to turn around and catch it.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
The ability to open your hips.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
And not have any kind of restriction in your upper
back and your hips and your knees, like that's a
big deal. And so I'm you know, speaking from my
own evaluation, like I was crazy tight in the upper back,
so some of that stuff was harder.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
For me to do.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
But some of these kind of live, kind of easy
mover receivers are again people that do these things exceptionally.
While they have soft hands, they track the ball, they
attack the ball well in the air, and they have excellent,
excellent body control kind of that contortionoust gymnastic ability to
track the football. Like maybe Lynn Swan is kind of
the archetype for that body control in the air type deal.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, and these are things that I think you you
don't the average fan can see it. Yeah, Like they
show up, really, they show up in twenty twenty very easily.
Like attacking the ball, like does the guy like literally
attack at it like the ball's coming and there's a
defender around, is he saying I'm putting my.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Hands on this first?

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah? Right?

Speaker 3 (18:02):
And then the body control shows up. I think people
see it the most when you're doing these crazy toe
taps and whatnot. But it's also, like you said, the
gaunt and drill you opened up. You opened me up
to this when we first went to the combine. They
run across that line, and that line's there for a reason.
If they drift just a little bit, that's not great
body control. And the reason you don't want them to

(18:23):
drift back off the line a little bit is because
that's giving that's taking away space between you and the
defender to get his hand in there. So good body
control means I don't have to look where I'm going.
I can run in a nice straight line or come
right back to the ball, keeping that distance between that
I've created between me and the defender.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, and I think, as you were seeing as we're
talking through this, body control is interesting because it's actually
how you track the football.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
It's how you position your body.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
It's your ability to stay on rhythm and on cadence
with your stride as you're running. So there's a lot
of things that go into that catch all term of
good body control, for sure.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
And when you have all of these traits, you get
like the Julio Jones and the Calvin Johnson's right, they
have most of these things. Oh yeah, So when you're
looking for a wide receiver, everyone's obviously looking for the
next great name like those guys, but you only have
those guys come once in a generation or so. So
what are you looking for in a receiver, especially one

(19:18):
that may be like, hey, a third round a fourth
round for this guy? Like what is a trait logan
Paulson's looking for?

Speaker 1 (19:24):
So I think the thing that totally I used to
look for just raw horsepower. I want big, fast, physical dudes,
but they tend to lack that kind of short area
of quickness, right, And so what you find is that
you get a lot of guys that honestly look like
people in this draft class that are kind of live,
easy mover kind of basketball guys that are maybe a

(19:44):
little bit lighter, you know, like if they're six', four
they're two zero five instead of two, Twenty, Right they've
just got a little bit different kind of body, shape
a little, slender and it allows them to control their
body mass. Better and so, like, obviously Like i'm looking
for Your Julio, jones is Your Calvin johnson's your or you,
know insert.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Your freak athlete.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Here BUT i do think They're like WHEN i started
looking at this is really what. Changed WHEN i started
looking at How Kyle shanahan drafts wide. Receivers he drafts.
Receivers he doesn't draft athletes. Necessarily he drafts people that
understand the, releases the, stems the ability to sink your,
hips the ability to get in and out of. Cuts
like that's a skill, set, Right and so like they

(20:22):
Draft Ricky piarsaw in the first round last year Of San,
francisco AND i think we talked about at The Scena,
bowl like he is A San francisco type player because
he does all of those things, well the sinking of the,
hips the get out of. Cuts he tracks the football,
well he's got great body, control, Right and if you
go through all the receivers they've drafted in recent, history
they all kind of to a certain, extent resemble that.

(20:43):
Model AND i thought to, myself, like that's the way
to do. It you get dudes that are good at the, craft,
right and then if you find a, freak, yeah we're
gonna let you in, too because you're a freaky. Dude
but LIKE i Think that's kind of Where i'm at
with my receiver evaluation at this point in my career is,
like can you get? Open do you know how to
get open and you catch and track the? Football if you,
can we can find a role for you in THE.

(21:03):
Nfl AND i think a great example that here for
The commanders is like a lam Of a's A Kias
like he does all those things well and he's played
in THE nfl for going on seven years, now six.
Years like there's a reason that that works even though
he's an undrafted free.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Agent.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, absolutely all, right let's get into your top. Fifteen it's. Time,
Yeah so, yeah number, fifteen let's go. Fifteen Tory holten
From Colorado. State he's sixty. THREE i think he weighed
like he weighs he hasn't weighed in yet. Anywhere is
one eighty. Seven he's not A Senior, bowl not a.
Shrine guy From Colorado. State really monstrous twenty twenty three,
season really. Monstrous and to, me this, guy and he

(21:39):
has a knee injury in twenty twenty four that kind
of sets him back a little. Bit but to, me
this guy embodies to me what it means to play a,
receiver like kind of he's got the speed, cut he's
got the he can run the, comeback he can sink his,
hips he can track the deep ball across the middle
of the. Field he's like he you, know like kind
of that gauntlet shallow. Cross the ball can be. Anywhere
he's not going to lose a, Step he's not going

(22:01):
to deviate from his. Line he really sees the football
at a very high. Level and just a receivers, receiver taller.
GUY i think he could play. Outside he could be a,
zero AN, x probably A, z you, know like long
term in his, career but a guy THAT i, think you,
know everyone says all these later on guys are your
THIRD i think really he projects better to like a,
two like a low end two in his first couple of.

(22:21):
Years that can, develop especially coming off the. Injury worry
a little bit about the top.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
End horsepower, again like you, KNOW i want receivers that
can catch football and to all that, stuff but you
need to have like a minimum, threshold like which is
why you're on the. Forties why do your vertical, jump
why do your broad? Jump SO i don't know if
he's going to test that he's been invited to the.
COMBINE i don't know if he's going to test at the,
combine but the receiver stuff is. Excellent, Again Little tall
has a hard time with some of the like the
elite short area quickness, stuff but he's got the kind

(22:50):
of feel for the route running THAT i love to
see from a guy from this, guy AND i think
he'd be going much higher if he was healthy in
twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Four is that your biggest concern with, him his health
or is? It it's the speed and the.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Health so it's just you want to make sure that
he can threaten you, deep, right he can threat you can,
push you can push you down the field a little.
Bit AND i think that's just that's one subtle, concern,
Right it's because he shows, up he, hits he catches a,
post he catches a, go he can work the short
area kind of that bang eight, post that tight post
off of a three step. Footwork so he does a

(23:22):
lot of stuff down the. Field but you, know he's
playing At colorada state level of competition isn't always. There
so just for my own, edification Like i'm not a,
TEAM i don't have THE gps day to know how
fast he's actually. RUNNING i just want to see, Him
like if he runs a four or, Five i'm happy with,
it as long as it's not like a four to
seven or a high four, Six like we're going to be,
okay all.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Right the next guy is one of two out Of Iowa.
State so your first one at fourteen Is Jalen.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
NOLE i really Like jalen no like a.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Lot LIKE i like him a, lot and so it's
really telling to me that he's a receiver THAT i like.
WATCHING i think he's going to be at excellent. Pro
and he's down here in like the. Fourteens he's a smaller.
Guy he's like five to, eleven good build though he's
like two hundred pounds on hundred ninety five, pounds like big.
Guy really all those kind of short area things that
you're looking for from a guy, here this guy reminds

(24:09):
me a lot Of, santanamas like a.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Lot he's got this great short area, burst great short.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Area, deceleration has good top end, speed, right but his
lack of, length like size arm, length makes it difficult
for me to see him projecting as a down the
field type. Weapon and when you watch the reps at
The Senior. Bowl you see him do an excellent job
competing as an outside. Guy But i'm like his home
his best use is probably in that kind of slot

(24:38):
motion f. Guy, right and, again the short area quickness is.
EXCELLENT i love the body. TYPE i love that he's
a little bit taller than Like rascheppo for, example a
little bit longer Than, rochepo AND i think accelerates and
has a better burst Than. Rachepel LIKE i expect this
dude to run like a four to three four to,
three like high four to, three low four fours and
crush all the movement stuff on the. Field so he's

(24:59):
a guy that AND i think he catches the football.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well he's.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Competitive and again he's the fourteenth guy in the, list
AND i think he could come in here In. WASHINGTON
i don't know if he's going to be your true,
too but he's a guy that you, say damn, like
he's going to catch a lot he. Can he's worth
game planning four because of the athletic movement.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Skills.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Right it's.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
FUNNY i actually used a sports car like analogy earlier
AND i wrote down for him that he has a
sports car like burst off the. Line just, very very,
quick and he has a surprising catch radius for his.
Size like you, said he's a smaller dude at five,
eleven but he was catching some bad throws that weren't

(25:40):
particularly close that you would expect from a guy with
a long. Wingspan BUT i guess it's the body control
that he has he's able to get. It the one
THING i looked up for him is that he has
a history with.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
DROPS i think he's.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
IMPROVEMENT i think a lot of these.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
GUYS i think a lot of these guys as we go,
through will have an issue with. Drops and that's another
thing is you do a great job with looking this.
Up but like WHEN i had access to, it we've
changed services for our film. Recently so WHEN i had
access to the original, service you could sort by, DROPS
i could short by, TARGETS i could short.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
But you know WHAT i.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Mean and so you could just go through and see and.
Watch and NOW i actually have to watch full games
to get a feel for how they're tracking the.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Football and we get our cut up.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Work now from, YouTube and those guys who do those
cutups are great.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Jobs BUT i think he's got decent.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Hands BUT i do think he's got smallish, hands smallish,
hands kind of smallish, builds so some of that contested
catchwork is going to be a little. Tough he reminds
a little bit Of Christian. Kirk if you want like
a more or less lofty, comparison then. Sintentamos BUT i
think that's a great pull by.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
You oh, well ALL i did was look up the
stats BECAUSE i SAW i dropped a couple every now and,
then AND i was, like, oh but because with wide,
receivers who first and foremost want them to catch the.
Ball but his athletic ability is. Undeniable, definitely he shows up. There,
okay the one for you is number.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Thirteen he got alex Anam? Moore is that you said
that from? Stink It's Ana.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Mayor that's, Right, ELICK i think Is Eleck Annil.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Mayor you're, Right Anna mayor is the last.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Name i'm, SORRY i kind of left you out there
for the.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Wolves that's, right that's.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Right it's been a long day the BUT i so
he Goes stanford player six two to, ten two. Fifteen
we haven't exact way because he hasn't doe any the games,
Yet shrine Or Senior, bowl but he will get the.
Combine HE'S i think a lot of people are billing
him as your TRUE x wide, receiver kind of that body.
Type he does have good vertical, burst he does have good,

(27:34):
Size he's pretty, physical he's urgent.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
In the run.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
GAME i don't love him Like that's why he's at
thirteen for. ME i think a lot of people would
have him in their top. Ten and the REASON i
don't love him IS i don't see the elite. BURST
i don't see the elite. ACCELERATION i don't see the elite.
Deceleration and he is very stiff in his. Back it's

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hard for him to kind of really be super sudden
in the short. Area SO i just See i've seen
guys like that before that have been. Successful but most
of the guys That i've seen with that kind of
athletic profile get absolutely stuck at the line of scrimmage
at the next level because they're just guys that are
a little bit more like all the physical traits that
let him be successful At. Stanford the dbs here are, bigger, shannger,

(28:18):
faster so those big guys sometimes get eaten up a little.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Bit All, Right i'm going to redo WHAT i wrote let's,
see all, Right SO i WROTE i like.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
This guy a. Lot.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, right he's got AN nfl. Frame it looks like,
right he. Does he looks slippery to me for his, size,
right somehow he's able to put his body in tough.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Places he's a big yes. Guy, yeah, Excellent AND.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
I think he has nice sharp cuts with strong. Hands
AND i don't think he's ever out of a play
because he has a high motor and works hard to get. Open,
however he's pretty slow getting off the line and has
kind of a lanky run style that lets guys kind
of be all over.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Him so that's my.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Concern AND i wrote down if he can work on
getting off the line.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
A good, coach WHICH i think he. CAN i think he, can.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Then you've got a guy here with the motor the
frame to be.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Something.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah AND i don't disagree with anything you. SAID i
like you.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Said the acceleration stuff is a little bit. Testy the
contested catch, stuff to, me shows up a lot like
when you're watching a receiver and they're in contested catch
situations all the. Time it's kind of, like are you
going to be able to separate and make these physical
contested catches at the next. Level it's the same, thing
like criticism that people have Against terry That i've had
Against terry is he's a great contested catch guy and

(29:31):
he's made it work at the next. Level but most
contested catch guys Like Devontae parker From, miami they kind
of fizzle out because they just can't keep doing. It
and so, like what is his? Runway what is his? Trajectory,
again he's on my. List SO i like him better
than some.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Other guys that are big body receivers BECAUSE.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I think, again the, competitiveness he tracks the football relatively. Well,
again the stiffness is something that really really like it
is a really big concern for. Me so for, him
like if we watch him in the drill work at
the and he looks, great he moves around, great Like
i'm Gonna i'm gonna bump him. Up i'll tell you
that right. Now but like as of right, now it's
something That i'm a little, Like i'm not sure about.

(30:08):
THIS I and, again in terms of mitigating, risk like
there's other guys That i'm NOT i don't have that
concern with. That i'm more excited about That i've ahead of.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Him all, Right and a guy THAT i know you're
excited about is your number. TWELVE i want you to
talk to me about, him because he texted me about
him and he, said why are we not looking at this? Guy,
yeah so talk to me about.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Him So isaiah Ne OR i think is his, name From.
Nebraska he's six three and three. Quarters he measured at
The Shrine. Bowl he has thirty four inch, arms so
he's a. Freak he's two hundred and twenty two, pounds
so he's. Big he's, strong he's. Fast he had the
FASTEST gps time for any receiver at The Shrine bowl
at twenty twenty point seven miles, prior which is pretty.
Fast and so you watch this film In, nebraska it's

(30:50):
a little all over the, place but the offense In
nebraska is all over the. Place but the thing THAT
i started doing is just watching him run off on run.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Place and work.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Releases his ability to we talk about the tightness and the,
Stiffness his ability to sink his hips and get to
a square stance off of a two point, release get
to a square, stance burst vertically and just straight run
by like fast corners is. Incredible so THEN i thought,
ill let me do a little bit more digging on.
This SO i went and watched The Shrine bowl, footage

(31:20):
and The Shrine bowl footage is Like Senior bowl. Footage
it's one on ones on the second, day like he was.
Uncoverable he looks like a physical. Freak and it's not
just him running by. People it's his, acceleration it's his.
Deceleration it's his ability to sink and get into these,
good advantageous like positions with his body where you're dropping
your pads and getting out of. Stuff guys try to jam.

(31:43):
Him he's got thirty four inch. Arms he kind of
brushes you. Off SO i just started looking at that
in conjunction with the limited film that there is of,
him how he tracks the ball in the, Air AND i,
thought this, guy to, Me i'm trying to think about,
this to put the to catch this in the best way.
Possible he's got the best kind of physical frame to

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be a TRUE. X and it's not just the, frame
it's also the movement. Skills SO i went back and
watched he transferred From wyoming To. Nebraska so Went basch
and watched him At. Wyoming and he can, run he's,
big he tracks the football extremely. Well the target share
was way down At nebraska because the quarterback's.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Tough they run the ball a. Lot it's a little
bit of a. Mess you can.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Tell it's not super detail from a coaching, Standpoint BUT
i had him his high at five at one, point
WHICH i texted you that, too AND i just was,
like why did he drop? Down so because of advice
That i've given you in the, past where it's like
you're this is about mitigating. Risks so even though everything
from a movement, STANDPOINT i really like the ability to

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come to, balance to sink his hips to like he
ran this route at The Senior bowl where he runs
a slant, return and for a dude who's six's four
to run it the way he run it, it it
just gets me, like oh my, God like this guy
like that looks, like you, Know Austin, eckler not Not Austin,
eckler you Know Wes welker running a return. Route but

(33:05):
this dude's sixty five or sixty four two twenty. Two
AND i was just, like he's got thirty four inch.
Arms LIKE i just kept coming back to. This he
ran like a stutter go and like walked off the
screen on this. Guy but that's all projection because he
hasn't done it Since, wyoming which is a small school
right and At nebraska is a little bit of a.
Mess SO i to, me this is a like if

(33:28):
if this is a war room right, now you're THE,
Gm i'm the. Scout i'm, like if he gets with
the right, dude this guy could be something. SPECIAL i
genuinely believe. That but that's a big if because not
everyone's gonna be willing to put the, time energy and
effort into maximizing what this guy.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Does, YEAH i saw him a little differently than, you
But i'm just a. Guy so My jesse, GUY i
saw that like once he had the, ball not super
creative as a, runner just kind of ran, straight Couldn't.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Jude guys just run.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Right into people get, tackled WHICH i want a guy
that eat no matter their. Size he catches the, ball
you're gonna get a little yak out of. Them and
THEN i did, think like you, said he's able to
create that separation with the, Quickness BUT i didn't see
the speed that you're talking, about even that showed up
in The shrine. BALL i would say that even like
he could get separation with his sudden, quickness but that

(34:19):
gap closed pretty darn.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Quick AND i think that's a great. Point AND i
think this also is indicative of what you were. Watching
so like IF i just watched because we have the
cutup that we get on, YouTube that's in that whatever
That google doc for, years and you watch, that AND
i remember the first pass of, him Because i've watched
a lot of these guys twice or three or four,
TIMES i was, like this guy's not, Good LIKE i

(34:40):
had that. THOUGHT i had literally like this guy, sucks
was my initial. Thought but THEN i started Watching nebraska
tape right AND i had just gone through every single big,
receiver like watching all twenty, two and So i'm SO
i just compared him to the guy From colorado at number.
FOURTEEN i forget his last. Name but Then i'd watched
a guy From kansas and watched the guy From, memphis
AND i was, like oh my, gosh they're not on this.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
List they're all just just guys at this.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Point they're in the. Ether we're all good. Players and
THEN i come to this guy AND i watch him.
Again it's a run. Play it's man and man coverage
and him absolutely blow by a receiver AND i was,
like UH, dB and he runs a slant and basically
uses his long arms and breaks across the, middle AND
i was like. Okay and so THEN i went AND
i was, like, YEAH i know he was at The Shrine.
Bowl let me go look at. That AND i was

(35:24):
blown away even further by. THAT i was, like let
me go back and watch the wyoming. Stuff and then
all of that kind of laid the foundation for this
me putting him in the top, twelve because, again IF
i would have watched the first, thing LIKE i, said
on the first, PASS i literally the words and the
notes THAT.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I wrote was he. SUCKS i wrote that.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Down but then the more you, watch you're just, like
and you mentioned the yards after catch, thing, like because
of his big body and his like movement scales away tracks.
FOOTBALL i don't expect him to be great after the,
catch but in terms of creating, separation the, deceleration, acceleration
like it's and maybe it's BECAUSE i, coach But i'm,
LIKE i want to coach. HIM i want that because

(36:02):
there's certain things that you can't, teach and he's got
a lot of. Them now he's a silly goose because
they were doing a red zone period and he ran
a deep dig in the back of the end zone
and he steps out of bounds for the, catch you
know WHAT i. Mean so, like there's a lot of
things that you got to work, on but in terms
of physical.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Profile, yeah, length, height, Speed, oh it's all. There and so.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Like that's maybe that's where the optimistic side of me comes,
out because, again not overly productive At.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Nebraska but But i'm excited to go back and rewatch
it BECAUSE i only watched them.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Once, yeah, right and something that.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Happens a lot when we do, this and, Well i'll
speak for myself WHEN i watch like all these guys
and my goal is to get to three hundred guys this,
year which is a. Lot but when you do, That
i'm watching some of these guys once for maybe thirty
minutes at the most for, them and ONCE i create
a thought like that's going to kind of stick, there

(36:58):
and everything THAT i watch, AFTERWARDS i have to be
very cautious of having confirmation bias because and it could
you told me this actually today you were like you
could watch a game and it's his bad game of
all the games he had in. College that's his worst
game and now it's stuck with. You he's not a good.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Player And i've DONE i do that same, thing so
think about it IF i had, Not, LIKE i just
was happy to be going through the big. Receiver so
a big receiver for me is anybody over six to.
TWO i was just going through all the big. Receivers
and THEN i was Just i'd already watched. HIM i
had my note in. THERE i was, like let me
just watch him one more. Time AND i was watching
all twenty, two not the, cutups AND i was, like
the movement skills are top, shelf you, know and again

(37:36):
like if the interview is, terrible all those different, things
LIKE i need a high character guy for this because it's.
DEVELOPMENTAL i need a trust he's going to. Develop but
the physical stuff to me was all.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
There, Yeah And i'm excited to go back and watch
him because he. Does LIKE i wrote down in, here
his ability to catch in traffic is like a plus plus,
Yea like he will attack the, ball he doesn't care
that their arms all over. Him he's, big, long he's, quick, smooth, runners,
strong you have all those.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Things it's a projection for.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Sure So i'm willing to acknowledge That i'm willing to
acknowledge you're not going to hear about him most other
places because he has such a projection but the, frame
the rot running, nuance and, again hopefully he's not a
silly goose all the, time but he does do some
silly goose things.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Sometimes and we're not trying to find like we're not
just talking Like that's one of the THINGS i love
about you and our podcast is that we're not just
going to talk about the top, guys like this isn't
the top five wide receivers that are going to be
gone by halfway through the second, Round like this guy
could be there later you're in and it's, like now
we've talked about, him.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
You know a little bit about.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Him if you listen to this podcast and you can
get excited for a guy that, like as you were,
saying like your risk a version in, draft like some
team is going to see all these traits that you
see and the value at where they get those. TRAITS i,
mean maybe you got something real special in a later.
Round everyone's looking for, that right the univers later around
The terry, mclaurins everyone's looking for that all, right so

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let's move on to number.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Eleven, yeah so these next, three four or five guys
ARE i, think really cool guys to talk. About the
number eleven from me Is Kyle williams From Washington, state
trying to remember is?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Exact? TITWAIGHT i think it's five to ELEVEN.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
I have that could have been updated THOUGH i know
that was.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Probably from The Senior, bowl which is so means that's
probably right. On and dude is a, ballplayer. Right we
talked about the kind of athletic looseness that it takes
to run good routes and be a good.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Receiver this dude has.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
IT i went back to watch every single rep of
his at The Senior, bowl And i'll be, Damned bud
like his ability to come to, balance work, stems, sink his,
hips fight through. Contact he's got longer arms Than Jalen.
Noel he's got longer arms And xavier Or chepo so
in contested cat situations he's. Not he's actually pretty. Solid
and his ability to create explosive offensive plays is is.

(39:56):
There like when you watch In Washington, state you can
take a screen seventy yards of the, house take a.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Slant he can take a. Choice he can beat you
over the. Top he can run a post.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Like he reminds me a little bit of like his
name escapes, me but a guy THAT i played with
here In, washington just like good vertical, speed but better
intermediate route Running. Nuance and he just was, like this
guy can beat you in a multitude of. WAYS i
don't know if he's ever going to be a true,
too but just watching the, FILM i was, like this
feels like a guy that could do that for your.
Offense and again you got to be okay with the

(40:24):
body size and the physical limitations of his. Frame but
like as a, receiver he is a receiver's. Receiver AND
i loved watching how he tracked the, football love watching
his ability to create explosive plays like he's. Special the
only question for, me only question at all is are
you comfortable with his size and do you have a

(40:46):
some type of threshold as a team on his side
that's going to limit.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
That, yeah he's definitely a playmaker with the ball in his.
Hands you want to get the ball in his hands
and he can do some special stuff with. IT i,
said like you were talking about, earlier like that short area,
quickness he was really. Goodness That so another guy that
you want to get the ball into their hands but
doesn't have the frame issues because he's sixt's five to twenty.
Five is your next on the list number? Ten save

(41:11):
you On williams FROM.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Tcu, yeah so this is like the.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Opposite they're like the they're like the perfect juncta, position
per perfect.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Contradiction.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Right SO i just talked About Kyle, williams excellent route,
runner like, tremendous does all the receiver things exactly the
way you want to do, it And Zavian williams does
none of the receiver things the way you want to do.
It but HE'S i think he measured in at six',
four someplace six four and. Three quarters he's two. Twenty,
five yeah he was a wildcat QUARTERBACK. At tcu he
played running BACK at tcu with the ball in. His

(41:39):
hands he might be the best player with the ball in.
His hands like he could play running back IN the.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Nfl easily the comms overall Comps are, cordell patters.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
And that is so on, the nose. IT'S crazy i
THINK he i think he's got more second level suddenness.
To him so like your ability to like run a one,
Cut route so, run up run a poet and throw
your foot in. The ground like his ability to work
a little bit of a stem is there the MAIN
issue i have. WITH him i think he could be A.
TRUE rex I think i love Him in Washington with

(42:09):
cliff in a Creative offensive cornert that's, gonna, say hey play,
running back, play receiver, Play soft we'll get you, jet
sweep be a. Return man like that's the amount of
juice he's bringing it to your offense, Is incredible like
he runs with such like such. Incredible violence and that's
THE thing i have to caution myself against is falling
in love with how he plays because he doesn't do the.

(42:29):
Receiver stuff, well yeah you KNOW what. I mean he
doesn't do that stuff at a. High LEVEL and i
think he. Can develop he's only been doing it for.
Two years, but gosh he is a fun player. To
watch but my, question, is like can you play receiver
IN the? Nfl level and how long is it gonna
take you to? Get there so when we go to
the combine, this week like watching him in the on
field stuff like how does? That look how do you attrack?

(42:51):
The football how's, your, gauntlet right all. Those things we
know you're gonna, run fast we know you're gonna, jump
high like you're gonna be, a. FREAK right i think
He's on feldon's, freaks. List right, but gosh like such a,
unique prospect so fun.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
To, watch yeah he's a.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Pawsome PARANORMAL and i would, say THAT like i wrote
down all the things that. You said the route running is,
really messy he has problem, with drops separation is not.
Always great he actually. GOT away i watched his highlight
tape because it was just so much fun, to watch
and he got away with a lot.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Of pushoffs he's a.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Big guy He's so but my, concern is like exactly what,
you said how are you going to? Use him but
if you have a plan, for him he is athletic, as,
hell right powerful, explosive, absorbs contact really impressive, catch radius
and like different ways that catch. The ball, but yeah
it's it's All the he just doesn't play receiver all.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
That great but if you use.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Him as you're an offensive weapon and we're going to
find ways to get you the ball that are, NOT
traditional i think you got. Something here so what would
you think the commanders? Would do with a guy, like
him or like not Even, the commanders like just a team,
In general like are you waiting to take a piece
like this because he's got all, these tools but it's,

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so unique you're going to have to make packages. Around
him there's no way. Around it is that like a?
Luxury pick do you think or how would you?

Speaker 4 (44:17):
View?

Speaker 1 (44:17):
THAT well i think for a team Like, THE commanders
i think that's just a good, case study like where they.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Don't have a lot of explosiveness to.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
The offense it's a, great piece right because he can play,
running back he can play a. Wildcat quarterback imagine lining
Him And jane daniels up in. The backfield he, can
throw he played quarterback in. High school he can throw
the football a, little bit like just to add diversity
and just explosiveness to, the offense just speed to. The
offense you can line them up in. Multiple spots THIS
is i think where the interviews become a really big part. Of,

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this right how smart, is he how.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Willing is he?

Speaker 1 (44:46):
To work how well is he is he to embrace
kind of more. Complicated stuff who's his? Receiver coach where's
he training for? The combine those are PEOPLE that i
definitely want to. Talk to and this should just give
you some insight into how athletic this dude is because
he does not do THE things i like. A, receiver
well but he's just that freaky, you know like he's
Like you're isaiah and are but his production is better

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and he's like better with the football and he's just
like the road to him being great is a little
bit more straightforward AT.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
The, Nfl YEAH and i would say the one THING
that i WILL never i won't get an, answer TO
but i would like to see it in an interview
answered in an interview is for as big and as
athletic as, he is he has no interest in the.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Run, game YEAH well i, THINK yeah, I mean i
was gonna say that's that's part of, TCU's offense but
it's not because the other guy on, His Team jack
beck we're gonna talk about a, little bit is very interested. In.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
That YEAH so i would like to.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Know why and it could, just be like you never
know with these things because we don't we're not able
to hear those answers.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
In interviews it.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Could, just, be hey coach told me not to right
like it told me you keep me healthy and stay
out of that and we'll be affected.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
With that which you see with all of the. Color
audit we're going to talk about. That guy we're gonna
talk about that group in. A second but all The
college colorado wide receivers, are like, you're like are you
taking naps? Right now it's a. Run play you should.
Go block but you can tell that's been a.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
It's a point a point of emphasis. For them.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
All right the, NEXT guy i want to start, him
out if. That's okay so we're now in the top ten.
For you number Nine Is pat Bryant From. Illinois logan
this IS what i. WROTE down i. Wrote down he
don't give a shit.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Love it he.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Just doesn't he wants to make.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Plays and he doesn't give a if the ball. Is
bad he doesn't care if he. Gets hit he just
doesn't care about anything except catching that ball and making. A.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Play yeah, and yeah that's like he is. A dog.
He is he's.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
A dog LIKE when i look, at him he is a.
Dog competitor he wants to get after you as a.
Route runner, he's physical, he's long he's, six' three. He's
two ten he's not the most refined guy. In the
world but he's got that kind of slinky athletic route runner.
ABILITY double stick i can put my foot.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
IN the ground i got.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
A speed cut he's Got a very he reminds me
Of A bigger kyle williams. A Little bit kyle williams
got that. Dog In him pat brian's got that. Dog
In Him but pat brian's. A big dog He's a
big dog's. In a push he's gonna and he's got.
Great body control like there was a Ball At the
senior bawl where. It's this fade he's, getting.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Spun around the. DB's grabbing him i don't know how.
HE tracked it i.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Don't know how he got his body where he. Needed
to go but it's all, over his film it's all.
Over his tape, he dog YEAH like and, i, just
think like talk about, a cultural piece you know that
just is a guy that's gonna fight For four quarters
like this Feels Like.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
A pat bryant my comp.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
For him was purely, off of mentality AND it's because
i watched him. All The time, It's, TERRY McLaurin like
i think he has the same. KIND of mentality i
don't care if. YOU'RE hitting me i don't care what
the score is.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
IN the game i.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
DON'T care anything i. Want that ball. I'm uber, competitive
he's not, like you said super. NUANCED or sudden i
don't think he's gonna stress anyone down the.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Field That way, doesn't but man he, just makes, plays
MIX plays, and i again. The movement skills it's not
super refined, like you're saying it's. Not always clean But
At the senior bowl. YOU see him i can, SICK
my hips i got, GOOD foot fire i can get to,
A double stick i. Can work releases my stems. Are
pretty solid like. He's got it he just didn't have
to Do.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
It at illinois and so that's the thing that gets
me pretty fired, up about him is like he. Can
do it. He's, got it again the vertical speed thing is,
a little concerning but it's not THE same concern I
Had with Troy Harden. From colorado state like this dude.
Is a dog.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
He's, a, DOG yeah absolutely i would be any team,
that gets, Them you know like, it's, that mentality right
if you're looking for a certain, type of mentality you're
gonna get, it with. Him all right number eight For
you is.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Isaiah bond from texas and can you look up his,
HIDE and wait i want to say it's, five to.
TEN five eleven i have am.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
At FIVE eleven now i don't write down like five ten,
and three fourths so it could it could be five
five to, ten IN something but i.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Have, Five eleven yeah and. Dude can roll, Dude is
fast he's sudden and for, a fast guy he runs.
Pretty good routes he reminds me a Little bit of
worthy from Last. Year from texas is probably because they're
wearing similar color. JERSEYS and stuff a, little bit denser
a little bit bigger frame can can absolutely kill. You

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WITH speed and i think his route running is good
enough for how, fast he is because He brings a
he's a stick of dynamite. For your offense that's the,
thing about him that. Is his superpower right he, CATCHES a.
SCREEN i forget i think It, was Against alabama and
alabama is, a, fast defense right we can all agree
they're like a, top you know top defense. In college

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football and he is toasting people to. The end zone
so speed and, the route running the short air. Quickness
is good the rout running, is good Enough is what
i'm Gonna.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Say, ABOUT hi yeah i called it straight gas. With,
loose wiggle.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Yeah like he, can just go but like there's just.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Something about him he.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Just wiggles around he's got like your short. Area, of quickness,
again jag eyes you have to put the.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Ball on him it looks Like.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
He's not yeah he's not.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
A big GUY like and i think it's funny because
like we Talk A about kyle williams not being, a
big guy.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Big catch radius But Like.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
With JALEN noel and i Would Say with isaiah bond,
a little bit like they're smaller guys and you lose
some of, that catch radius you lose some of, the
arm length you lose some.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Of that, stuff BUT.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Again Like I, love pat bryant, but the Thing The
reason isaiah bond's ahead of him is because he might run.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
A, Four, to two like. Yeah he is he.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Looks at you he's. Got straight, gasoline so. Yeah he's
special he's special, runner for.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Sure all.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
RIGHT number seven i called. Him Mini me Travis Kelsey
is JACK. BECK from tcu. I.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
LOVE it no i think.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
That's EXACTLY right and i have a special place in
my heart for people that play the game the way
it's supposed, to Be Played and jack beck plays the
game that. Way he, Plays he runs he's, Got detailed
routes he's physical at. To catch point. He loves contact
he is going to fight for every. Ounce of everything
like Watching With the senior bowl was blown away. Like

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every ball you would have thought it was like, his
firstborn child the way he fights to.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Get that thing and that's. How, He plays YEAH and.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Like i look at him and he's never gonna be
like your true, outside the numbers like beat YOU.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
With speed x he's. Not that guy he converted from
TIGHT end.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
At lsu TO. Receiver at tcu just to give you
an idea the type of athlete. You're dealing with he
reminds me. A little bit this is, gonna sound Crazy
But before Pooga, nukua was god he reminds me a little.
Bit of that like a guy that's gonna be physical
and scrappy in, the run game can can run through
the football like we talk about staying grounded, Through the
catch like he, Can do that like it's.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
A weird.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Ball Weird angle but i'm, Not gonna jump i'm, Not
gonna hop i'm not gonna lose. Any stride length i'm
gonna run through this thing a thousand. Miles an, Hour,
I'm physical LIKE that's what i. Like about him is
he a.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Little bit slower than your everybody else? In this? List
probably right But contested catch i'm. Gonna make it.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
I'M gonna dive i can adjust the football. IN the
air i got good. Short air quickness it's just the
top end and juice and athleticism seems to.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Be, slightly lacking, Yeah moving on he's one of my favorite.
Guys to watch Number Six, is jaden higgins the Other Receiver. From,
iowa state.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah so he is. LIKE mister smooth i think he's
six three. And three quarters he's two hundred and five
pounds and just Is like, a cadillac man. Just so
smooth they can run, like double stick work. IN the
slot i can work. ON the perimeter i catch. THE
football well i tracked. The football well my short air
quickness from my. Size isn't bad not the best separator

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because he doesn't have that top, End juice right, so
to me he gets a lot Of Comparisons. To Drake
london drake london was and is special because of how. Physical,
he is yeah this guy is like a skinnier Frailer Version.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Of drake london he's a.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Little more, Passive yeah YEAH.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
And so i think that's the Difference Is like drake
london was a top ten pick or borderline. TOP ten
pick i don't remember. Exactly when when this guy's probably
gonna go in, the second round middle to late second round,
because the smoothness the kind of ability to work multiple
spots in the formation is. Off the chain he catches
the football with. Nice SOFT hands but i have concerns

(53:17):
about his ability to be that top flight athlete. On
the perimeter so like just to go back and to kind,
of reiterate this like You know Isa isaiah And, naor
from nebraska there's no concerns about his physicality, like, his,
height weight speed jumping ability to get done, on the
perimeter but all the kind of technical receiver stuff. Is Somewhat,
lacking jane higgins it's flipped like everything he does, AS

(53:39):
a receiver. I love it it's are you're not you
don't have the horsepower so, at THE combine like i
would not be surprised to be around like a high.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Four or five like that's just the kind of athlete
that he looks, like, TO.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Me yeah i so, This is again i'm, just a
guy so it's my just a guy jag guy's WATCHING
this and i all one thing, that sticks out and it.
Could be stupid he jumps, unnecessarily.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
HE does, and i.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Man it's a thing like you keep your feet. On
the ground.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
The ball's coming you don't need to do a little
leap or a hop or a catch it and then
dive for. Like you don't he did that every NOW
and then i put just lo ol, next to that
like he tracks, the ball well but then. Will.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
UNNECESSARILY jump lol i.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Don't know why, he's doing that but it's a small
LITTLE thing because i love the other aspects of them that.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
You're, talking about.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Yeah and it's those, are, The things right like, there's
subtle things but they. Are A difference but i do
THINK he is i think he gets how to RUN
routes and i. Think he's big you can.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Also tell, me, i'm wrong silly.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
But to me it's like those are questions like, you're
so smooth but why are? We doing that you do
it's unnecessary right and, so, absolutely, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Okay so number, five, for you uh this is the
ONLY play that i watched two years of you had
to yeah to because everyone was saying you have to
because of this year was not, all that great but
the year. Before WAS incredible so i Compared Him to
santana moss in his twenty Twenty, three fit yeah but in,
his newest film he was More Like a percy, Harvin

(55:18):
than me like A little bit percy armand was a
great play, for a while like MADE in, an nfl
career but a.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Little bit lower and.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Actually we're talking about pretty, SOLID by, you i, think thank.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
You so uh and We're Talking, about luther burden The,
third from missouri who had an incredible, twenty twenty three
but something was a little off about.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Twenty twenty four can you identify?

Speaker 2 (55:39):
So to, me.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
To me it Looks like he's santanamos in twenty three
and like he's just, a little like so what do
you mean by that explosive get the ball, in his
hands and, he's scoring touchdowns he's. Making people miss he's
not the most, Nuanced route runner like, it's not him
but he is an explosive. Stick of dynamite he breaks
tackles and he's got enough receiving kind of chops to

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make you feel. Good about It It's. Not xavion williams.
It's not that it's he's got that kind of after.
The catch ability like he reminded me a lot of
who's The guy the jets Draft or the giants, drafted
last year. The receiver neighbors he reminded, Me OF that
like i can catch the Football well and i'm going
to score EVERY single time i. Touched the football and
then when you get in, twenty twenty four he looked a,

(56:22):
little bit heavier looked a, little bit slower looked a little,
bit less dynamic. Got less opportunities in, the past game
the quarterback there was, not very, good you know like
they struggled big time, throwing the football but like just
even on like little stuff that he would have crushed,
the year before it just wasn't. There FOR him and
i think that was something that was a little surprising
to me and made. Me really, nervous and again like

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if you look at, TWENTY twenty three i Did That
for tory Horton Right. From colorado state he's a, good
football player and you want that guy. In YOUR program
but i got to REALLY know when i talk to,
you Like why and i've this is one of those
things where you start hearing whist first through the scouting
community this time of the year about like potential reasons.
As to why i'm not going to do any reporting,

(57:05):
on that here but there is, some stuff surrounding like general.
Work ethic stuff let's just Say that that i'm a
little bit like we got to get more information On,
THAT basic.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Yeah, i mean electric he was electric in. TWENTY twenty,
three i mean it looked like this guy could be,
a number one, NUMBER two received i mean in his
class with his, twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Twenty twenty three he's he's he's for sure, the third
guy maybe.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
The second guy that's how good he was.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
In, TWENTY three, yeah i Mean and the santana moss
came from kind, of his build but like that sudden
change of direction without losing that.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Speed was incredible and.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
He's not afraid he wasn't afraid of hits, good body,
control nice hands new one to use hands, versus the
body which Is another thing santana.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Did really, well SO.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Yeah when i watched, twenty TWENTY four and i intentionally
watched twenty twenty THREE first. BECAUSE i wanted. I don't
know i didn't want to. GET the negative i knew
at the end of the way it was already, negative
ON him so i wanted to see the positive first
and not get.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
CONFIRMATION by US.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I wish i could go back and do. That, WITH
him well, i, still like yeah race your Like.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Men, in black yeah and then.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Do. It, AGAIN yeah yeah i.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Don't know why it like it almost seems like maybe
there's an. Injury in there that's.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Kind of yeah that's what. It looks like it was
just but it's. That different though that was the.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Thing about it it was so so STARKLY different.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
THAT i couldn't.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
I just didn't i don't feel comfortable again he's, the,
fifth PLAYER yeah because i think he's Significantly Better, Than
Jaden higgins jack beck that second. Group OF guys but
i might bypass him pick, someone up Later Like, a
Pat Bryant, like kyle Williams Like a isaia nay or
YOU know, what i mean if any was available in
the fourth, Or Fifth round like i'm taking a, shot
ON that and, i feel like just to avoid any

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kind of weird stuff that's around burden, at the moment.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
If you're if any team is able if you're getting
the twenty. Twenty three guy this. GUY'S a steel i
think he's probably. A top fifteen he's for sure a.
Top fifteen, pick not problem that's for sure. A, Top
fifteen yeah and if he can't me or, DO the
commanders i would trust our, OUR scouting staff i would trust,
our FRONT office and i would be SUPER psyched because
i that means that they see the twenty.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Twenty, three yeah oh or they think they can get him,
back there right? Yeah, For.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Whatever absolutely okay Number Four from ohio. State, a meccabuka
yeah so.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
HE'S six one i think two oh five is what
he's listened to at and, Reminds me of LIKE he's.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
An, nfl receiver now HE'S just.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
An nfl receiver his, floor is that, like he's PREDOMINOUS
he's only i think he's going to be an only
slot player at, the next, level next level kind of
like the high.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
State Receiver That the seattle seahawks draft that a couple,
Of Years.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Ago jackson smith yeahs Jacksons, with AND jig but i
think he reminds, Me of that like, they're very, similar
really smooth very, comprehensive route tree, understanding of stems, understanding
of releases understanding.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
He attracks, the football well he's always in kind of.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Contested CATCH situations but i think as long as you're
okay with that and you know that's, who, he is
like his floor. Is he blocks he like basically plays
like your of like, in for Example In The los,
Angeles rams offense he's exactly exactly, what, You want right i'm,
going TO block Wrote.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
I wrote cooper cup down. AS the cop i think
we're right on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
The same thing like, not overly athletic but, just does everything.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Does everything well and as long as you get that that's, what,
he is like he's going to contribute to your. Offense
right away so if the commander, to draft him as
long as, you understand that he's never going to be like,
a true outside like over the top.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Kind Of guy but i'm going. To work underneath i'm.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Attract, The football well i'm going to get in The
voids that terry's creating by working vertically. Up THE field
like i think that's a very it's. Going to be
he's gonna make somebody, very very.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Happy all right so NUMBER three is i think at
the beginning. Of the year people thought That His teammate
isaiah bond would be higher, on this list but now
at number three for you Is, Also From. Texas, matthew
golden YEAH and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
So i kind of went In after watching bond, AND
was like I Doubt that matthew golden's going. To be
better and the initial first, couple of clips you're, kind
of like, he's not, better he's slower he's. Not as
effective but then you just watch the body OF work
and i Got Really strong. Antonio briant VIBES and what
i mean by that is like the, ability to run

(01:01:13):
to run, into your cuts speed cuts and. LOSE no
speed i get. TO my spots i can RUN every
route i catch the football and. Contested catch situations i've
got great after. The catch ability like he is, a
smaller guy think he's, five to ten like one five,
something Like that, but god bless he can. Run every
route he's, got vertical juice.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Like he's like a. Spaceship, taken on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Yeah he is, he's impressive man and his ability to.
Stop is elite and. He can run you can. Run
every route he. Catches, the football, well he's. Competitive he's
FEARLESS the more. I watched HIM the more, i loved
HIM the more, i was like the floor on this guy.
Is incredibly high he's going to go someplace and just
be make the team incredibly happy because of his ability,

(01:01:53):
to do again the frame IS something that i think
is going to concern a. Lot OF people but i
think if, you get that that's who he is and you're,
Okay with it like he's he's a, special rot runner he's,
a special competitor and he can do stuff after the
catch like, he's an excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Excellent football player.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
He's like an acrobat too with some of the catches.
That he makes he turns fifty fifties in the seventy,
THIRTIES for him i do have a question, about his.
Smile his size so, because he's smaller there's kind of
question if you would be big enough to be. On
the outside and if he's not, an outside guy are
you drafting him as the third wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Off the board SO the reason i Put him Above
becky And becke and BUKA was because.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I think he. CAN play outside i think that's the
difference between.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
TWO of them I think and buka is an, inside
ONLY guy And i think golden can play outside because
of how well, he runs routes because. Of his physicality like, it,
was special man it was special to. Watch his film
like he's not going to, be You Know like Roma
dunze Or neighbors or harrison, from last year but like
he's a good football player and the same that, we

(01:02:58):
Talked about like beck just doing like all the little things.
The right way imagine that in, a Smaller body but
i'm way faster and. Way more explosive, but the competitiveness
like you Watch, him versus alabama you Watch, him versus
georgia like he's carrying that team with bubble screens and
slants and goes and comebacks and creating separation and working releases,

(01:03:20):
Off the line like THOSE are, Good nfl players THOSE
are future nfl players. He's PLAYING against SO i thought
i was very. IMPRESSED with him i came out of
this like loving him. As a, PLAYER now Again i
think i'll probably go somewhere between twenty, and thirty, five
you know because he's not, a big guy but as,

(01:03:40):
an offensive weapon especially in the year kind of devoid.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Of, OFFENSIVE weapons yeah i really. Really like him he's.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
The last one, on This list and i'm, Going, TO
say man i want him to clean.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Up those drops did they have a?

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
LOT OF drops, i i said.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Didn't see it that's the only thing that kind of
stood out, in his stats just. Too MANY drops but
i think sometimes that can. Be cleaned up it may
depend like, Like you said i'm just looking. At, A
stat yeah i can't go back and look at Show
Me all maview balan's drops because. Maybe they're, right you
know some drops are more. Egregious than others but that

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number did kind.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Of stick OUT so what i, will say is in
my experience evaluating, receivers in college if they have, the
soft hands if they track, the ball well when they get,
a better quarterback usually that, stuff cleans up You know, What,
i'm saying like because the QUARTERBACKS in the, nfl are
better they, throw better balls, it's more catchable they're.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
In better positions so That's one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Where, quinn YOURZ though but i think quinin yours is
not that, Good all right like in terms, Of, ball
placements okay You know, What, I'M saying like i think, he's,
talented physically right but in terms of like being, Late
WITH throws like i Was talking to, santana ABOUT this
because i experienced this. A little bit i wasn't like
a high, volume pass, catcher but like if the quarterbacks
timing is off delivering, you the football which yours is

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timing was off frequently when he, played a tech it
throws your ability to catch the football off. Because you're
off tanne described it as, your off rhythm is the
way he described, it TO me, and, I think AGAIN
i'm not i haven't watched all of HIS drop so i.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Can't comment on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
All of them but for a lot of these guys
on This list, where, i'm like oh he has a
hard time, catching the football if, any of them if
you just get him with a, more CONSISTENT passer an,
nfl caliber PASSER and an, NFL caliber offense i think
a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
That Cleans, up all right we're going into, two AND
one but i WANT to do i want to do. Something,
unusual here okay we're going to talk about your number
one first and then. Your number two and the reason
is because number two is what everyone wants, to talk
about and we're going to dive into a. Little BIT
more so i don't want. To tease it number two
You Have is Travis, hunter from colorado but let's talk

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about your number one wide Receiver. First From arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
It's tech, McMillan tech McMillan sixty five two, and FIVE
pounds and i just was really impressed with, how, he
moved honestly like he just for a, guy that tall
you don't see guys run with the route fundamentals that, he.
Runs with right you don't see them always track the.
Football the way they don't, have the body the, consistent
body control, like they're big they make fifty. To fifty

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catches but his ability to kind of contort and get
up there and make catches was. IMPRESSIVE to me i
thought he had good, short area quickness decent, Short air
quickness i'm not going to, say good decent but, good
release package good, understanding of stems and enough vertical juice
to be a little scary, down THE field which i.
WAS surprised by i wasn't expecting. THAT from him i think,
he's pretty competitive especially in the, route running game and

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you just couple that with.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
The size and the way he. Tracks the football he catches,
the football tremendously like he just, snatches that thing no.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Problem, with drops yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Snatches that THING and so i think he's got a
decent understanding of how. To run routes he's competitive at,
the catch point and he saw some pretty wild, coverages
this year like, true true doubles true brackets like which
you don't really see a lot of in college because of.
The WHITE hatches and i think it just speaks to
how specially, is you know and talk about having.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Rough quarterback play his quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Play was right so if you get him with A
guy who i think REALLY any any nfl quarterback is
going to be on time and, trust him that he's kind,
of always open like he could be dominant at.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
The next level so coms are, my favorite thing you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
KNOW they are. I, love it Yeah Look like george
Pickens me THAT max should i kind.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
OF like It I think george pickens might be have
a little bit, more vertical juice but in terms of
how they, catch the football, it's very similar kind of
like those big white gloves that can kind of get
to any ball and contort. In, any, situation yeah man
he's a he's a he's, a special, guy special player
and there's a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
He's number.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
One for me it's just like the package, of the, size,
the movement Skills how how dexterousy is. Catching the football
all of those things make me think he's going to
be a like he's going to make a playmaker at,
the next level and in a draft class devoid, of
offensive playmakers he might be. Bumped UP slightly like i
tried to think about like him compared.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
To last year like where. He WOULD fall And i liked.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Romadunzay a lot but it Was Crazy watching roma dunsa.
FILM last night i went back and Watched Them because
michael pennix. Was, So Good Yeah like michael penix was
just dropping dimes at every corner and McMillan never. Had
that opportunity he's like fighting and clawing and scratching for
every ball. On every opportunity and so it was just such,
a different evaluation and it made me think about, That

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quarterback conversation like If you put Tech McMillan with michael
penick junior Last year and, Romadonsay THIS year Like i
think tech McMillan probably has, better OVERALL statistics but I
do think romaduneza just from, a fundamental standpoint might it might.
Be SLIGHTLY better but i Think the way tech catches
the football man it's, it's so good it's so natural how?

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
He?

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Does, It all right so? You're number two why is?

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
He?

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Number Two?

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Okay travis hunter.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
So let me Say This. About travis hunter he's of
his group by far. The best, athlete tremendous acceleration tracks,
the football well catches. The football well like Is just
a he's one. Of one man's, if you're saying like
upside between, one and TWO who do i? Think is
GONNA who do i think has? The higher Ceiling It's.

(01:09:04):
Definitely travis HUNTER the thing i had to kind of
pull myself, back on is ultimately we're trying. To mitigate
risk so when, you watch him he's just out. There
playing ball he's not running the. Most detailed routes. He
gets open he gets open, like a dog You know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
What i'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
He gets open he can make it, Exposed to plays but
in terms of, route running detail. It's Not there so
i'm assuming he, can GET there but i haven't seen.
IT on film i think it's The thing that i'm
running INTO right and. I want to i almost put
him at one just because he's he's that special. OF
an athlete i also think the fact that he's, playing

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both ways takes a lot, of plays off takes a lot.
Of plays off he's a, little off timing a little
off rhythm. With the quarterback and that was Something else
that i'm assuming he's going to fix and he's going
to be awesome at. The next level, but you know.
He's done that. McMillan's done that he's, been on time
he's played. A whole game he plays hard, all the
time Like and again I'm Not saying travis hunter, can't

(01:10:02):
do that but those are SOME things, where, I said
hey i got to kind of manage my excitement, for
the athlete manage my excitement for, how he creates, exposed
to plays how he, catches the, football and say he's
really not as polished as, even you know if we're
going in, terms of polish he'd be the fifth guy,
on the list right because he's.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Not there yet so there are blue chip athletes And Then.
There's travis hunter, like he's SPECIAL craziest athlete i think
we've seen in, a long time and. Just a playmaker,
the body control maybe the best, in, this class right
unreal in, the short area very smoet like everything you've

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heard about this. Guy is right the negatives that, you're
talking about like the kind of average route running or
not top. END route running i think that there are
a lot Of people and i'm going to put myself
in this. CATEGORY as well i think it gets cleaned
up because when he doesn't have to focus on both sides,
OF the, BALL i, mean, i, Think so yeah so

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That's like if i'm putting that in, The con area
i'm also like putting it in with a racer, ready
TO go because i think he's shown so much SKILL
and high, Iq as well like he knows how to,
play the position he knows how, to play football is.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
A SMART dude.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
So i just think that like if a coach staff
was to, say to him because we're just talking wide receivers,
in this conversation if they, were to say you're just
a wide receiver and he, buys into that that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
GETS cleaned, up i MEAN that's what, i, Think too
right but that's an, ASSUMPTION we're, making I know and
i don't think it's. A hard assumption i think it's
a very reasonable. ASSUMPTION at all i, agree with everything
but for the purposes, of this drill THE guy that i,
FEEL about that i feel has the higher floor Right
now is tech McMillan if you're going to, his Highest
Ceiling like travis hunter has the highest ceiling in the,

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entire Draft class right and that's and over state how
ATHLETIC and how. I was shocked i knew, he WAS
tremendous but i was shocked with how when he caught
the football he caught up in, the ball game he
caught A slant versus byu and just walked. Off, on
everybody yeah and. YOU can't coach I. Know that's byu
that's a bunch, of You know. Older mormon kids but

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like he's got that and really nobody else in the
Class Outside, of isaiah bond has that. Kind of explosiveness
and he catches the ball Way Better. Than isaiah bon
he tracks the. Ball way better he's he's. Just a freak.
He's a freak And.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
So, He's, dion, sanders yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Right he is he's got that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Kind of ABILITY and so i think that there are
a lot of mock drafts that have him going one or, Two,
or THREE okay and i and it's it's because of
this blue chip athlete that he.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
HAS in them i wanted to do a little thought.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Experiment, with you yeah, let's do it because one OF
the things i was, thinking about is even if he's
the number one wide receiver and that's all he's gonna
play and he's going to clean up, all of this
is he worth with mitigated risk as you're talking, about
the first second or. Third overall pick and HERE'S here's.
WHAT i. Did i did i'm going to do a little,
readoff for you. Just wide receiver so we're not talking

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about the corner potential with him yet because this is the.
Wide receiver pod when, we do cornerbacks we'll have this
conversation again on the other side of the ball and
maybe come furtile circle when we get to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
Like our mock drafts at the end.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Of the year but wide receivers that are drafted in
the top TEN from the nfl in twenty twenty to,
twenty twenty four so the last, twenty five years, if
you would, first overall pick never been. A wide receiver,
Second Overall, Pick Calvin, johnson carlos rodgers, Third Overall, Pick Braylan,
Edwards Larry, fitzgerald andre, Johnson Fourth, Overall Amari, Cooper SAMMY Watkins,

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Agate aj Green Peter Work. Marvin harrison, Jr Fifth, Overall Jamar,
Chase Corey. Davis Justin, BLACKMAN all right i can keep going,
down this list and you can google. It and look but,
my point is at what point? Are you taking this
is a. REALLY hard Question i know i'm setting you
up for failure because you've seen what These guys that

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i've just listed their, careers are like and these are
drafted before you knew what their career was. Going to
be but where Would You put travis hunter? In these
guys if he's a number. One overall pick he's the
best wide receiver, prospect, ever apparently.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Right and right now you're asking TO separate the dB. From,
the RECEIVER yes but i think THE only reason i
would assume that he's in the conversation is because his
athleticism AND his football iq and his instincts for the game. Help,
Mitigate risk okay AND so what i mean by, that

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is like when you look at an offensive lineman at
tackle you drafted, number, one overall right you're always pretty
confident that even if he doesn't work, out a tackle he, could,
play guard right he could do this other thing, for,
You POTENTIALLY right and i think that might be people
are talking about him. In this way let's say you
KNOW he plays dB, and really struggles. Like, struggles bad
right he's a top flight athlete who played wide. Receiver

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in college we could just bump him over there potentially
and he could be. A dynamic playmaker so that's the
thing when you've brought this up TO me that i
thought about immediately is maybe THAT'S how the nfl is
looking at him as a way to manage.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
A mitigate, Risk.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
All right so, that being said DB's drafted in the
top ten, since that time the first or second overall
pick NEVER. Been a dB, The Third, Round Derek, stingley,
jeff okuda fourth, Fourth Overall, pick sauce gardner, Fifth Overall,
Pick Devin, Witherspoon Jalen, Ramsey Patrick, Peterson Eric, Berry's Sean,
Taylor Terence. Newman quinton jammer.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
So if he's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Again, if, you're saying okay well he's, a lockdown corner
right and maybe he'll will get a little bit out
of him. At wide receiver is he a if he
goes number one or, number two overall is he the best?
Corner prospect ever or is he just as good as
say a fifth Overall Pick in jalen ramsey and he

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could add a little bit of wide.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
Receiver for you so that moves them. Up four picks
like You see what i'm.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
Trying to say here is like putting them at number
one overall is saying that you're gonna get both of him,
all THE time which i just don't think, is gonna
happen or you're the one that you get more.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
Than the other is?

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
The best Ever now maybe I'm gonna eat crow at
this and he's the best, football player ever like. Athlete
wise ever come out the, best wide receiver, the best
corner and In ten years, i'll, be like man that.
Just a guy jason sure. Was an idiot BUT that's
what i look, at with this and it's The risk that.
I'm TALKING about so i could see him, go third,

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pick fourth, pick fifth pick but that, Number one overall,
i'm just like is the positional value?

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
Worth?

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
IT there yeah i think that's that's really.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
A great question and, because to me he's a he's
specially he's such a special mover and you're counting on
a big jump because he's going to be having, his,
Work workload right he's going to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Only play receiver he's going TO. Only, PLAY dB now
i haven't watched him A.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
TON of dB a watch, a little bit probably like
a game, and a half but not enough to make
any sweeping. Conclusions About him but fred's watched a. Lot
Of them and, fred, was saying like TECHNICALLY, as a dB, he's,
extremely raw right so there is a, Developmental curve there
like we were talking, About The, Receiver Fred smooth fred smooth's
are you?

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
And? WITH receiver like i see.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
The same thing, it's it's there but the developmental curve
IS more than i think people. Want, to acknowledge now
we just we just talked about how we think it's
very reasonable that. He gets there so thinking about him
in the, best case scenario, if he's fresh if he only,
plays wide receiver could he be the best wide receiver EVER.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
IN the nfl i. Don't think so but it's probably his. Frame,
holding them yeah it's. Probably his frame but he does
a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Stuff exceptionally well just to Give you like i'm thinking,
About it right i'm thinking about it like. HE is
special d be the same thing like if you were
to be A full time dB coach, all the time
not tired like could. He do it he's such a
unique athlete. In THAT way and i think that's what makes,
this so challenging is your the floor is very high

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because the. Athleticism IS there and i just think about
it's like the Mystery Box. On, Family guy right it's
like you, get, a boat right which would be In this, case,
tet McMillan right or you get, the mystery box which
could also, be, a boat right YOU know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
What i mean but like that's kind of what you're,
dealing with here because it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
COULD be tremendous i don't think He's Better than calvin johnson.
WAS coming out i don't think He's Better than larry
fitzgerald coming.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Out, h three like but those.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Guys are special they were, special, Coming, out right yeah
they were, refined coming out, they were polished. They Were,
receivers jamark chase where?

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Was?

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
He, fifth overall like is He Better? Than jamar, chase
absolutely not YOU know, What, i mean. Like absolutely NOT
and so i think, to your point you're talking about
taking him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
One, four spots.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Yeah LOVE that and i think that's the thing that's
really confusing about it is because you're always trying, to
MITIGATE risk and, i THINK here, if I was if
i was, making an argument IF you're THE gm and
i want him to be the, First overall pick I'm
working FOR tennessee and i want him To be the.
Farson overroll, pick i'm like we have never seen an,
athlete like this and, that IS true and i want
him To Be. A, Tennessee TITAN yeah and i think

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that's where you come.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
Down on it and, you know what that's a really
good argument.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
BECAUSE he's incredible i love Watching him and i'm gonna
love Watching, them on sundays except if he plays a
commandian and if he's, only the, commanders oh.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
My do that but he just just to give like
he is that special.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
As an athlete, like and again and we're splitting Hairs
here saying ted McMillan is a better, receiver than him.
Because he is but is he got to be a
better RECEIVER?

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
IN the nfl.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
I don't know i, would assume, not but, like, who
knows right HE, MAYBE'S better dB, i.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Don't know, Right all right so we're going to end
the show the way that we always end these when we.
Do our rankings they're just, for the nerds the guys That.
Just love ball these are guys that who knows when they're.
Going to go they're just guys that you. Watched their
film maybe there's, something missing, here missing there but they
have something, that you're like this is a player to
watch out for in the later rounds or outside. This

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top fifteen you're just you, just liked watching just wanted to. Bring, them,
UP yeah yeah i just want to. Bring them, Up
Go ahead So xavier Or. STREPPO from miami i think
a lot of you, are probably like why isn't he in?
Your top fifteen his, film is diabolical. It's so, good
you know he's the all time Leading. Receiver at miami
he Just Passed, S, antana moss, Like come on like.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
He's a freak he works. In the slot he has.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
DROUGHT running nuance i think the thing that got me
with him was watching Him At the senior bowl and
realizing how short, he actually was how short, his arms
were and kind of how kind of. Stumpy he is
just generally like everything you want there is there from a,
ro RUNNING standpoint but, i was like he is only
a slot guy with kind of. Limited athletic upside that

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was the thing that got.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
ME with him, i, WAS.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
Like oh i love him.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
So, when you know but when you, watch the FILM
but LIKE i think i, in my notes like we can.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Look him up it's probably, on there somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
But like he gets how to get open, from the
slot but at the Nails At the, senior bowl though
and again don't over judge a, senior ball practice but
got kind. Of Gloved up so i'm a little Bit
like now i'm questioning. A little bit and this is,
what this is what these, events, are for right is
to go back and reevaluate some of that film you were,
watching and say is this going? To be fatal like

(01:21:31):
he might go to the combine and run a four
to six and then all, of a sudden all of this
makes a little.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
BIT more sense i don't think that's. Going to happen
but he is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
A FOOTBALL player but i just he's not on MY
fifteen because i have a little bit of a question
about him.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Posts, SENIOR bow.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Well i think he's perfect here in, the FORDA nerds
because i don't know where he's going. To go to
the combine is going to mean a lot to him
with his, measurements coming OUT he could i mean the,
ceiling to me would Be Like a steve. Smith Like
Player although steve, smith was fast.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
That's the thing he's not that, He's he's not but.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
It's, The attitude right like, it's the yes the attitude
that You had with like That's why The Ravens took.
Steve smith one he had just just had that attitude
even when he. Started losing stuff so yet the cop is,
more with attitude not necessarily the production or. How to,
play and like if you're going to get a guy,
that's like that LIKE once the i mean wants to
fight everyone on the field and just this is this means,

(01:22:23):
everything to, Him this game like that's gonna be a
good guy to have in your.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Having, your room yeah but, think, about speed, cuts double,
sticks choice shrouts all that. Stuff is excellent it's just how?
Athletic are? You you know and how? Sudden are you
but every every the film's excellent and he's a.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Great football player.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
And speaking of speed and the guys, that are wow
interesting that they're not in your top fifteen.

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
To Be honest Tes, Johnson FROM oregon So I.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
LOVE tes johnson i. LOVED his film i loved him at.
The senior ball he's five to ten hundred. FIFTY five
pounds i just don't know what you do with some
dude who one hundred and, Fifty, five pounds like that's ten
Pounds Lighter, than tank dell ten Pounds Lotter. Than tank
dell that's twenty Pounds lighter Than. Smith, from philadelphia Right,
The slim reaper like he is, a small man.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Very very Small He's he's, brandon, Banks SMALL right and
i think about Having Played, With, brandon BANKS yeah and
i think about him knowing that the weigh in Was
At the senior bowl on the day that, it was
on and how he probably drank a. Ton of water
he's Probably one fifty like, he's HE'S small and i
just don't know if that plays like for a SEASON at.
The nfl level and let me, BE perfectly clear i,

(01:23:35):
Think he's fantastic like, he's, great coronery quickness, great explosive,
weapon he's, competitive he's tough he's on hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
FIFTY five pounds I, just don't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Yeah sometimes, you have to you have to weigh in
that they can be the best football player. You've ever
seen some guy weighing three hundred pounds that six y
six is going to hit him and, at Some, POINT.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
And KENNY i think i think. This is true he's
the smallest person if he weighs in at one to
fifty five ever to play RECEIVER.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
IN the nfl i.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
THINK that's true i have to, double, check that SURE
but what I but what i'm saying is like that's
you're dealing with such an outlier here that it's hard
for me to again like, his film's impeccable like it
just what do you can you do it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
For A season like?

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
I don't know and if you've got a plan in a, role,
For HIM great but i, WAS really again i was.
Out a LOT that's why i put him on this
logan's extras because like, Both These guys Xavier Restrepo and
tes johnson are, excellent football players a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Worried about it ristrepo's.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Like length lack the lack of ideal length and like
lack of like, top Fight Athleticism and tess johnson is
maybe the smallest player ever to play the receiver POSITION.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
In the, nfl all.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Right your last one here for the nerds Out There
is Trey harris From ole mess.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
And this is A guy THAT i thought i would
love so he's, six y three he's two hundred and
five two hundred, and ten pounds. MAYBE two fifteen i
don't remember the exact number that they had from on the,
old miss website. But big guy and THE thing that
i came away with is he was not very sudden in.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
The short.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Area he's explosive he reminds me a LITTLE Bit of
dk metcalf and that's, a good thing but it's also.
A bad thing, so he's explosive he can get, down
the field but doesn't play like a six' three dude
in terms, of like contested catchability and when, he catches
the ball he's not super physical or. Dynamic after the
catch like his Best, game was, against furman you know

(01:25:29):
WHICH is like, a d two school and he. Looked
like a freak but then he kind of just. Looks
like a guy so are?

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
You getting a dude and Again comparing him to alec
and newman ar how do? You Say his Name? Anna?

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Manor, From stanford right yeah, like he makes, plays he
plays big he. Plays above the, rim He's competitive's stuff
And I'm not, saying TREY harris isn't but, i just
was like are you, just a big dude who's? An
okay wide receiver or can you DO this? At the
nfl level so that became a little that became a little.
BIT of a question i think he's help be in
the top ten for, a lot of people But for

(01:26:02):
me that i've seen so many big receivers get. Drafted
because they're big and does he have the ability to
run to do those, things like the? Releases the change
direction can he do that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
AT a high.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Level i DON'T know so if i see him at
the seat combine moves around okay, compare to everybody else.
Maybe MY tune changes but i, was watching the, film
watching the highlights watching the, CUTUPS that we have i
just didn't see anything, that, made me go oh there's
something that makes me think. He can do it it's
all and again it's. The OLD miss offense but i
would just be a little bit cautious around again at.

(01:26:33):
NAME like that logan i love.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
DOING these with you i the wide receiver one was.
A lot of fun it was. A lot of fun
and you put me on to some of The Guys
like the, ISAIAH nayor and, like i don't know this
one's just wide receiver is just a. Fun, one to,
WATCH yeah and yeah i just really enjoy doing. These
pods with you thank you for. DOING it with me
i know we're coming out a day later, that we
normally do but we were. ABLE to find time i

(01:26:56):
appreciate you, doing that little yeah because we're about to
spend a lot of time together because we're going. Out
to the car and you need to like and subscribe
to this podcast if you Like it hearing what, logan
has TO say and, whenever i chime in you can.
Give or Take that but, when logan chimes in he's
gonna tell you everything he sees each. Day from the
combine so we're just gonna give You. A rundown on

(01:27:18):
thursday we will have a podcast at the, end of
the day so make sure you Subscribe to get It
thursday night or friday morning on. Your way to work
we're going to talk about the measurements and new on
field workouts from the defensive. Line and The linebackers then
on's friday it's. DB's, and tight ends saturday we'll put
out an, episode it's running back, quarterbacks and wide Receivers
and then on. Sunday the old line we'll get all,

(01:27:41):
these out for you so back to back to back.
To back to back You'll, Have, An, Episode. Thursday friday
saturday sunday it's a lot of us watching a lot
of drills. And guys get measured but.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
That's where we're doing we're.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
Nerds and we're crazy we, kind. Of like it yea so,
If you like it logan will get you all.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Everything that he sees exclusive access will be right there
on the field and he'll get get you his analysis.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Right away right away can't. Wait to do it and
thank you so much for. Listening to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
We really appreciate it and again make sure you leave
a comment about what position group you want, us to
do next and That'll be after the combine because we're
giving the other Position because we're giving combine stuff for
the next, Couple of the podcasts so. Looking forward to it,
but for today's show. That's gonna do it

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