July 23, 2025 • 45 mins
Tonight, on Trackside with Curt Cavin and Kevin Lee, they recap Pato O’Ward getting his second win of the year in Toronto and how it played out in the chaotic and strategic race. They also talk about what type of scenarios O’Ward could cut more into Alex Palou’s championship lead. They later talk about how incredible a weekend Rinus VeeKay and Kyffin Simpson had to earn podiums. They also talk about Santino Ferrucci missing the race with a crash in warmup and his injured hand.
In the second half of the show, they talk about the latest on the 2026 silly season and schedule rumors.
Then to wrap up another edition of the show, they talk about Zak Brown’s warmup conversation confirming their 2026 lineup and they compare careers between Pato O’Ward and Colton Herta.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
This is track Side with Kirk Cavin and Kevin Lee
on ninety three five and one oh seven the Fan.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And in Toronto, when the green flag flies, we.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Will be racing. And we are racing.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And Colton heard her immediately with the advantage and we
see a full court much here it is and McLachlin
is into the wall and his rear left has gone, Oh,
we've got a flat, Rossiere Rossie.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I think that's more than a flat. I think that's contact.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, it looks like he's gone into the wall given
the bodywork damage. Flailing around back to full course caution.
Here at Toronto, Jacob Abel who was being passed by
David Malucas try to turn in a little too early
with Foster on the inside and then new card just
nowhere to go once again.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Oh and we have a Rosy quest and that is
down at turn ten, guys three to go. That might
be Austi road victory on the streets of Toronto.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Highlights from IndyCar at Toronto, courtesy of Fox Sports from
this past Sunday. Hello, welcome, thanks for joining us. It's
track Side ninety three five, one oh seven five The Fan.
Tonight's less plausibly live on this edition of the program.
Landon Coons is in the studio at this moments in
(01:23):
downtown Indianapolis. I'm Kevin Lee along with Kurk Cavin. Full
disclosure in case somebody got sacked today, or the schedule
was announced, or something else came through. We are recording
on a late Tuesday afternoon, so you're on your own
and you can wait until next Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I believe it's Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Night if you're listening to this live on the radio
or at your leisure on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or
anywhere else, and we will be back next Tuesday. But
I'm busy on Wednesday, so our only opportunity he was
on a Tuesday. I've made it home from Canada. My
bag has not yet, hopefully it will be before I
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leave for Monterey at some point on Thursday morning. A
lot to get to tonight, we'll just kind of bounce around,
free flowing thoughts on silly season is really ramping up.
There's been a lot of schedule reporting, a lot of things.
I think we're all kind of on the same page.
We're all kind of hearing the same things. When I
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read what racer dot Com and The Indianapolis Star are
writing it's mostly things that I've shared of random thoughts.
Still nothing definitive next year, but we're getting a little
closer on some things, and it seems like some more
things are being ruled out.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Let's talk about the race yet again.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I think a very entertaining race with a lot of storylines,
and I will admit quite a bit confusing, but it
comes out with Poto Award has won two of the
last three, giving us the dumb and Dumber. So you're
telling me there's a chance at the championship ninety nine
back with four to play.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well, you know, I'm not a big fan of saying well,
that was the best race of this season, And I
know when we get to the end of the season,
we'll say, you know, which races stand out? Is you know,
really really competitive? Which ones? You know when there were
two hundred and one passes for position, Now, I know
it kind of got a little jumbled because you had,
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you know, a pit strategy that changed the dynamics of
this race. But when you have that many passes for
position on a track that is less than two miles
in distance, you've got something special. There was beating and banging.
There was, you know, and it wasn't this race. But
you could make the case that if somebody said, hey,
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I just got hit, that you could reply, as they
did in Iowa, We'll hit them back, because that's kind
of what was happening. And it wasn't you know, reckless.
It was good aggressive driving in a in an environment
that doesn't really allow for or or allow you to
get away with anything without you know, this being some repercussions.
(04:08):
The walls are closed, the cars are closer, and this
just was one of my most favorite races of the
season to date, and it was great that, you know,
Poto won. He's a popular winner. Of course, he's now won,
you know, at least two races in four of the
last five seasons. But it's just one of those one
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of those days that I got. When the race was over,
I was just happy. It was It's two hours of good,
good entertainment. So do you understand how the race was won?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I think basically, you know, from my standpoint, the race
was one when you know, you made the decision to
start on the alternate tires and and then Poto got
off of him. I wasn't sure if he completed his
full two laps, I guess he did.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And then behind that second count on pitt Lane, you
don't whether you're wherever your pit box is, even if
it's before the line, they don't hold that again.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, so really you just have to cross the line
once on track.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
That's right. So he essentially completes his two laps of
alternate running and then he gets to run primaries the
rest of the way. Alex Pollow made the decision, like
his teammate Scott Dixon, to start on the primaries, and
they were going to go however far the primaries would
carry them on the first stint and then try to
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find a spot later in the race to run the reds.
And they never found a sequence that would allow them
to just do two laps and uh and make it
a make it a quick stop the way Potto was
able to. I think that ultimately was the decider, you know,
but we had you know, there's still a lot of
ways that it could have gone wrong for Potto. If
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if the caution comes out different times, if being mired
in the back of the pack is creates a situation
where you're collected, any of those kind of things would
have changed the dynamics, but it played out well for
Potto and not as well for Alex Polo. But you know,
he still finishes twelfth, and he still, you know, leaves
the event with a ninety nine point lead. You know,
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in perspective, Potto would have to have one of these
kind of days three more times in the final four
races where he just scores a lot of points and
Polo doesn't because he's still ninety nine points back and
he only sliced thirty out of his lead on this
particular occasion. So you know, it's still Alex Pelow's race.
(06:45):
But hopefully I've summed it up pretty well and that's
how Potto won this race.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Now I'll get back to math in a minute, because
I've done some scenarios.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And as much as we want to hype the.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Championship, and we probably will, we like to do that,
but will also be real a little bit. So Poto
got the caution to come out at the right time twice,
so he didn't just dump on the first pit on
the first caution, which a lot of people did, but
he and New Garden and a few others came in
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under green on lap two.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
One of them was McLaughlin.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Unfortunately McLaughlin's tire wheel was not attached. It fell off.
He's into the wall. There's your caution, so that's bonus one.
He moves past all of those people that waited to
pit until the lap four pit opening under caution and
he cycled through them.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And the real big.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
One was when Polow was going along on the black
sidewalls the herds and another caution comes out of lap
thirty who had just stopped Poto Award. That's what flipped
the script right there, and that's when it went south
for Plow, and then it got really confused. They were
going to come in and then the pits closed. They
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were open and they were closed, and I think something
happened with a pace car is what happened, and it
wasn't available for a little bit. So Polo was pacing
the field and as it kept circulating, then it was well,
let's just go.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Ahead and try to stay out.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
And Polo needed yellow, but not nearly that much yellow
he needed to make it so those that came in
on lap two had some difficulty. But even then I
don't think he was going to be able to win. Well,
he might have been close, enough where he could have
passed enough people, but Poto already was in position to
be able to make it home the rest of the
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way on fuel because he had gotten rid of the softs.
Polo and Dixon still had to run the softs in
the middle stint and they just couldn't make them last
very long. So that was the storyline there. From that,
here's some math. So I looked at it this way.
If Polo scores minimum points five for the final races
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and Poto averages finishing second, Poto wins the championship. But
that's what it takes. Finishing third is not good enough.
An average of third thirty five points per race. Polo
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could simply start and park every race and still win
the championship. That's one way to look at it. Another is,
if Poto won every single race maximum points, Polo needs
to only average fifth, average fifth. Final way I looked
at it, Let's just say it goes horribly wrong. Polo
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averages twentieth ten points per race, and by the way
to average that, that means he just he needs to
finish fourth one weekend and then show up for the
other three, and he's going to average twentieth for that
to happen, we're back to that must finished seconds, which
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is very very hard. So we're going to say, I'm
telling you there's a chance, and there is. Because if
Potto could win every race, which would be winning six
of the final seven, which goes against my He's due theory,
that's quite difficult to do unless your name is Alex Pelow.
(10:33):
And even for him it hasn't happened, but that's kind
of what it's going to take. He's going to have
to still win three of the four, be on the podium,
and as you said, Polo is going to have to
DNF and three of them and be very average in
the other.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So I'll give you, I'll give you another way to
look at it. In my opinion, login Sega, which is
Sunday's race, is Alex Pelow's best track, best track in
the whole season. He has finished saying something, and that's
saying something. So he has finished second, second, third and
two first in his four races. This is his best track.
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Remember what three years ago he won by thirty seconds,
thirty seconds plus. So if he were to go out
and have a thirty second plus type of day and
sweep the points and and Poto not finish up in
the points. You know, let's say he's in the midpack
or below, then Polo could almost clinch it this weekend.
(11:39):
It could almost be mathematically over. So it's gonna be
all bit over.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
It'll be all but mathematically over if he were to
win this race, had he started on the softs and
just done the safe strategy. And you know, he said
in the interview I talked to him before. He didn't
tell me who made the decision, but he did say,
I'm fine with doing something different.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
He's got such a big lead.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
He knew the Andretties were fast, Colton and Kirkwood were
the two to be and you knew will Power if
he stayed up there was going to be aggressive. Will
Power is not thinking points raising. He is thinking about wins.
So he wanted to do something different and had it
stayed green at the beginning, I think he wins that
race going away, and if that caution doesn't come out
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on thirty, he's still on the podium or close to it,
and we're talking about the championship being wrapped up with
four to go on the fourth race to go with
three to go this week, now it's going to be
wrapped up probably at Portland.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And remember we went, we went almost what twenty years
almost before it ever happened that somebody clinched ahead of
the last race of the season. It had gone from
two thousand and five when it last happened where someone
clinched early, to Pulos in twenty twenty three, so what
eighteen years before that it happened. The other thing that's
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interesting to note about Laguna's sake is this has not
been one of POTO Awards better tracks either. Just while
it's he's been okay, he's been a top ten kind
of guy, but he's not finished better than fifth and
not really contended for a win. So you know, it
just has all the making still of Polo really excelling
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this weekend and next race at Portland. That's those are
two places where he's combined to win four races and
then you know he'll be fine. Doesn't really need to
do much the two oval races where POTO Award will
be should be better at the oval races coming up.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, I think that's it.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
And the one thing I would say next is it's
still been a remarkable season for Poto that this has
been a step forward. He's the only driver that's won
for Chevy this season obviously than the only driver that's
won for his team. Poto is backing it up. I
think he has taken another step this season.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Oh I know. The other thing I was going to.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Say was that all those things you said about Lagunaeseka
applied to Toronto not good.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
They're not successful.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
They figured some things out and he gets the win,
so maybe they break through. And a lot of people
have been thinking about next year for a long time
because this has all been a little bit new for
some of these tracks, with the first time with the hybrid,
with the extra weight, different tires. This is the first
time with the hybrid at Laguneseka, so we don't know exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
What the fuel mileage is going to be.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
We don't exactly we don't know what the tire wear
is going to be like, so that might throw things
up in the air a little bit as far as
set up, and mostly just for strategy.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Should be a three stopper.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
It was a three stopper last year and it has
to be a three stopper, and I think you'll see
some end up doing four because I think you need
to average like twenty five and a half laps, and
it was I think we had a lot of cautions
the last two years, five last year, eight the year before,
but twenty six ish seemed about what they were going
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last year.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So it's a little bit tight in it.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
For some reason, the safts do not last eighteen to
twenty laps, then you're going to see some people do
four stops.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
It's a short.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Time lost on pitt ling, kind of like what we
also had this past weekend. So it's not as much
of a penalty if you do an extra stop if
you're actually fast on the racetrack. So from that perspective,
I think we could have some interesting things this weekend.
We're going to go back the more to Toronto. And
how about Rena's vik Not just this weekend, but let's
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look at this season. He is ahead of the championship.
In the championship. Of the two guys he was punted for, right,
they chose Rossi and they chose Rasmus, and I don't
blame them. I would choose those people as well. And
I'm not going to say I'm not of the opinion.
My opinion is not worthy because I'm not there within
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that team to know, you know, between Rasmussen and vk
who you should keep or not.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
They know more than I do.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I'm not going to pretend, but just bottom line, he
is with a supposedly lesser team, certainly far lesser resources
and budget available, and he is consistently driving forward. The
breaks come your way, but he's making him work and
he is driving hard and smart.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, I think people have seen a change in their
opinions of Renus and I think, you know, we talked
about this before. I think it made sense for Ed
Carpenter and the race team to move off of Renus,
and I think it made sense for Renus too. I
think Renis needed a change as well from that organization
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to just you know, try some the different. And he
has helped his stock immensely. You know, he's eleven points
from being the number one Penske driver. I mean that's unbelievable.
He's already ahead of McLaughlin and he's ahead of new Garden,
but he's within eleven points of power as well, and
you would have never never scripted that. So good on
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him and good on Kiffin. Simpson gets a podium that
he has improved as well. He continues to impress people.
So you know, it's nice when you have a podium
that doesn't look like all the rest. Sometimes the photographs
start to look the same, and I think people look
for fresh faces. You know, having Rina's vk and and
(17:42):
Kiff and Simpson up there with Poto Award was a
nice change of pace for this series.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
It certainly was a lot of attention when Kiffin was
moved up to Indy Car, when they created a fifth
car for him when he was nineteen years old and
he finished ninth or whatever it was in the Indie
Lights Championship and maybe he had one podium and as
we always say, the answer to all of your questions
is always money, But it turns out it's more to
it than that. He is the dream driver. He has
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massive budget attached to him, and he's good enough getting
he's getting. He's he's still twenty. He's worked really hard,
he's done everything. They have had the resources to allow
him to do anything to be prepared, but he's taken
advantage of it. Not all kids that come with the
type of budget work quite as hard or are as devoted,
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and let's just be honest, most everyone that makes it
a motorsport has some level of wealth attached to them.
It's very difficult. The list is very very short of
those that come from true middle class homes that can't
afford to at least get their kids started in this
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so there's obviously different levels of that. But Kiffin is
showing he deserves to be there. He's got a great car,
but we've seen people in great cars.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Before they don't always do well.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
He's not a championship contender yet, but he's on the
path so that's fun.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Nice kid.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Happy for him Andretti doesn't have the result they're hoping for,
but not awful four to five to six and certainly
good for Marcus Eriksson to finally get a result. It's
his best finish of the season. Graham ray Hall has
a really strong day and I think it matters more.
Finishing seventh is great, but the fact that it was
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legit top six pace qualify fifth finished seventh in this race.
Prema gets a result. That's the second time they've been
inside the top ten.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Best of the year.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I Loot finally gets one climbs out of next to
last in the championship points. Schwartzman, by the way, is
now even with Louis Foster for Rookie of the Year,
So we'll have to keep.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
An eye on that moving forward.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Any other thing from the box score, I guess the
other there is just I can't believe what has happened
to Team Penske.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
It can go wrong, it will go wrong. Yeah, they
ended up with First of all, Felix Rosencris must be
seeing will Power in his sleep because Power banged off
both sides of the of the front wing. You know,
they made contact twice. And then Joseph Newgarten gets, you know,
just bad luck, wrong place, wrong time. When when Jacob
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Abel has has a little mix up there in the
in the restart at turn one, I think you know
it wasn't said definitively. I think I'm willing to say
definitively he took some contact from Louis Foster, h Jacob Abel.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
He did, you know he did? Yeah? I noticed that Foster.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
In his quote after the race saying I think because
he eventually something broke and he suspected it was from contacts,
as he said as I was passing another So it
was I think his left rear to Jacob's right front.
But from what I saw. There was definite contact there,
and I think the booth even mentioned that that Jacob.
(21:12):
I don't know whose fault it was, but Jacob may
have turned in earlier than he probably should have, or
did foster track farther. I don't know, but yeah, there
was contact there. It wasn't just that Jacob totally missed
the corner and went straight into the wall.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
So when I think some help couldn't be avoided that
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
It looked like Jacob had let the car the first
car through yep, but wasn't prepared for the second car.
Whether you know whether who created the space. Look, it's
tight there. A lot of people have had trouble. We've
had a lot of dust ups there on middle to
exit of turn one, so that's you know, that's not
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a Necessitaria.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Potto gave a little hip check to will Power and
not in the wall as hard bud Power got into
the wall, muckily didn't damage too many things. Will had
a lot of contact with a lot of people. Yeah,
there was a lot of contact with a lot of
contact people.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
It was bumper cars all day long, and.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
It's amazing we think about stock cars being the ones
where you can rub fenders. Delara builds a sturdy race car.
Some things are going to fall off now and again.
But the amount of people that finished the race with
the number of contacts that they had is quite remarkable.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, and a lot of that contact was wall contact,
you know, especially down there in turn three. The exit
of three. You know, you can down the long straightaway
Lake Shore Drive and then you hang the right and
up the hill and off camber. I don't know how
there's not a crash there or contact in every lap,
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but it's people make it. They're side by side a
lot right there, and the guy on the left has
to be really cognizant of wall approaching on the left
and fellow driver on right. So it's an accident zone
waiting to happen, and there was a lot of contact there.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I guess the other thing is we need do need
to get confirmation that Santino Ferrucci is okay.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
It sounds like.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
He would have been able to participate. May not have
been ideal, but I think he I don't know, but
it sounds like he would have probably tried to race.
It was more of it's going to be really hard.
We can't repair this car. Some teams have more resources
to get a backup car ready, and it depends on
how close it was to being ready. And then I
(23:35):
think it might also come into let's talk risk versus reward.
If you're aj Foyd racing, we're starting Santino was going
to start twenty third, we are starting in the back.
We just destroyed a race car. We've destroyed several here recently.
Do we want to rebuild another one? Probably not going
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to have great results today. Haven't shown the pace all weekend.
And it is a street race. Remember last year about
half the cars were destroyed.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Is that worth it?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
And then we run the risk of not being fully
ready to go for Laguna Seca for a cross country tow.
I think that was a prudent move. The driver's banged up.
You know that the car is not going to be right,
let's just pack it in.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
It wasn't just the car was in an accident. All
four corners were impacted and they had to throw in
a new car they had and they had three hours.
It wasn't like they had, you know, a day and
a half. They had three hours max.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
And that yeah, let's yeah, so we need to make
sure that he's going to be okay, that his hand
is okay. So that'll be one thing we'll watch and
probably get official confirmation on Thursday morning. If not, uh,
maybe it's already come out at some point today. Uh,
silly season. Quick update. I got nothing definitive other than,
(25:01):
as we would say, chatter in the paddock. So I've
been saying all along with no sourcing. It's just I
think Will Power is going to be driving at twelve
next year, and I think you've agreed with me on
that just.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Just makes sense.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I am much less confident of that today than I
was a few weeks ago, from just the sense and
from hearing people, and I kind of feel like I'm
in the same place I was with Elio a few
years ago, because I'm looking at a big picture, well one.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I like Will just like I liked Eloh and still
like l e Oh. But I think they're great for
the sport.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Eloh was and maybe still is one of the top
three most popular drivers doing one race a year, and
Will is not only one of the more popular drivers,
but he's interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
He's unique.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
He is one of not just one of the top
five or ten greatest drivers.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Ever, but one of the most unique.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
And original people you will ever meet. And I say
that in a good way. And I want him to
be in the sport because he's not vanilla.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
He shows you emotion.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
He's got enough success where he's a little more okay
telling you and showing you what he actually thinks.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
People don't delay good news.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
They don't, they don't.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Penske's deals have always been done in the spring, and
I'm starting to fear and I don't have this on
authority either. At any point, I cannot report this. I
can't even tell anyone privately.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I know this is the case.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
But I'm starting to wonder if there was something written
in the Malucas agreement that also I can't prove. But
many people say, is there that he's moving to Penske
next year. That's what a lot of people think.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Well, I think that that makes a lot of sense,
because why you know, they when they did this deal,
that would be a thing you would expect to perhaps
be in writing.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I didn't expect that.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Now.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I didn't expect that it had to be one year.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I could talk myself into either one. What I kept
hanging my hopes up with Will on was the management
changes created a vacuum where they weren't ready to make
a final decision, you know. But he just keeps saying,
(27:44):
you know, I don't know, And it would seem it's
very on Penske like for this, for this still to
be dangling in the air.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
The only thing that could bow well for Will is
maybe it's not done. I've said this before too, because
there is a performance clause, meaning if David finishes at
some place in the championship and or wins a race,
you are guaranteed of Penske seats. Now, even if all
this is written in, I still think there is a scenario.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Here's what I do.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I would try to convince David Malucas to do one
more year at aj Foyd Racing because there will be
less pressure, make him more part of Team Penske. Let's
actually have them participate in the driver debriefs. Santino Ferrucci
said on Hinch and Rossi's podcast a couple of weeks
ago that there is no interaction. The engineers talk amongst
(28:42):
themselves and maybe it's just Santito. Maybe David is invited in,
but he has no interaction other than if he happens
to walk by one of the Penske drivers, and Will
is probably the one that's more likely to chat with
him a little bit. But there's no official relationship between
the drivers, not debriefing together or do anything. Maybe that
(29:03):
becomes a little bit more part of it for the
greater good of the team, having will.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Power a part of it.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Again, this was noted highest qualifying Chevy going into the weekend.
Now the race is han't gone great, but he's still
highest in the championship of that team. I think it
would help David to have one more year. A lot
of pressure coming in trying to match Joseph Neugarten, Scott McLaughlin. Yeah,
this year he's better than them. I know that he's
(29:31):
better than them in points, but on pace he is
not quite there yet. So we will see. But if
that does happen, does Roger Penske say all right, we're
going to continue this technical relationship and strengthen it some more.
And history would say, you know, Montoya was moved out
(29:54):
when he was still pretty competitive, same with Elio castro Neves.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
A lot good teams do it that way.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
We would rather move on too early than too late,
especially if we feel like we have a worthy replacement.
And you know, with what I said about I think
it'd be good for Malucas. I also understand I may
not know what I'm talking about. Yeah, you know the
people at Team Penske. Now, those people, so Tim Sindric
(30:23):
or Roger or Ron Razuski, you know, the people that
would have made this decision a year ago.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
They do know more about this than I do.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
And they may have spotted something and said, David Malucas
is going to be Alex Polow if you put him
in the right situation, because nobody saw that coming with
Alex Polo. After he finishes nineteenth or whatever it was
with dale Coin Racing and wins a championship the next year.
So I get that, but maybe someone says, all right,
I don't see anywhere for will to go.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
He's good for the sport.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
We're going to continue to help aj Foyd Racing, and
we are going to find a sponsor for wheel power
to slot in that car with a Penske engineer like
James Schnoppel. So that scenario was there. If not, I'm
not sure where he goes. And then you get back
to Renas Vike, who is a free agent. I might
(31:15):
argue that he should, you know, unless Penske can ask
your Andretti or McLaren come calling, and maybe you put
Meyer Shank in that category.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Two.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
So that is a lot of teams. But if one
of those comes through, you take it. But if they don't,
maybe you just stay where you're at instead of moving
to Hunko's Hollinger if there's a seat open there, or
Prema or Ray Hall, Letterman Lantagan, maybe you're better off
just where you're at and continue to overachieve. Don't know,
(31:45):
depends on financials. Two questions I don't have answers for.
I don't expect you to either. How is the pressure
different for David Malucas in twenty six against Joseph and
Scott Maclachlin's teammates versus two twenty seven?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I mean, how is it? How is your pressure any different?
And then second of all, how is all this maneuvering,
especially with aj foyight in mind? Where does Miles Row
factor in? And do you do you need a spot
for him?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Great question?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
First one is I'm looking more at the new Garden
template that team Penske normally takes finished products.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
The only one. They didn't with.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Scott McLaughlin, who was a three time champion in another series,
but New Garden won multiple races, was in the championship
fight two years. Lucas has done neither yet. I think
it would be good for him to do that next year.
The goal should be let's be in the top five.
Let's boost that team, see what they need to make
(32:48):
them a real fighter. Now maybe the feeling is he's
never going to get that. We need to get him
over in Team penske Land. So that's the scenario there.
Miles is an interesting category. So he wins last.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Week on in Iowa at Iowa, is.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
He ready Maybe yeah? And that might impact powers chances.
I think that is part of it. I would think
the goal was that Miles, especially if the plan was
one and done at Foight with Malucas, is that Miles
Row is going there next. That's what we've always all
(33:24):
thought that that's an incentive in this partnership is there
is a place for Miles Row. And I think you'd
prefer someone being like first, second, and third in the
championship and he can still get to third.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
He has won a race.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I'm going to duck that question and say, let's wait,
if he wins one more race this year, I think
you could start to make the argument that Miles might
be ready if he does not finish strong, He's every
bit and more so ready than Kevin Simpson will different scenario,
I understand.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I understand, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
That they were funding the team and I think they
decided we're coming to IndyCar, and they also wanted to
get to IndyCar before the charters.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Came on board.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
That was part of the hurry too, before they they
knock things down. Yeah, it's a great, great debate and
that does impact things as well next year. But I
think these are a big final few races for and
there's a double header Laguna Seka. By the way, Christian
Loongard is joining us in the booth on Saturday and
(34:32):
Rob Edwards is back in the booth on Sunday. All right,
we'll get to some other things coming up and just mama,
Well we've heard about the schedule and what's been reported
and more.
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Speaker 3 (36:08):
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eastern coming up On sunday. Afternoon love this trip and
(37:44):
can't wait for. It, oh by the, WAY i mentioned
my bag didn't get. Home i'm still working on. That
and that's the. Reason is Because honko's Holloing A racing
was kind enough to let me jump on on one
of their seats that had become vacant for The IndyCar team.
Charter it's not really a, charter it's just they pool
together and buy up a commercial flight and the flight
(38:07):
attendants always look confused when everyone knows each other and
no one pays attention to their. Directions but it was
nice to get on, that and that was the only
WAY i was going to get home Before monday. Night
SO i abandoned my bag and got home On. Sunday
and we'll see my bag at some point down the.
Road schedule stuff.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Helped.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Me i've seen a lot of things in the last few,
days SO i just kind of feurized that Maybe IndyCar
AND nascar could work. Together Nathan brown had a good
story in The Indianapolis star and he writes that actually
had been, discussed and we now know it's not going to,
happen BECAUSE i think we've known for a couple of
weeks and it's been confirmed NOW nascar is not going
(38:49):
back To Mexico, city And IndyCar.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
May not be there in the.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Spring they're talking about summer at this point for various.
Reasons what else FOR? NASCAR i think San diego.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Is all but.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Confirmed there's been a lot of, reporting And i've heard
in a lot of places that's going to be In
june FOR nascar for The Cup. Series Nathan brown wrotees
in The star his sources are telling Him iowa is,
unlikely AND i mean he may have used a different,
word but that's WHAT i took from. THAT i don't
(39:25):
know that no one has told. ME i still think
it just depends on what they can make. Happen my
opinion would be there is still a chance Of, iowa
but they're looking to see if there are other. Options
it's pretty clear that he is difficult to. Do i'm
still curious what would A saturday night race? Do If
(39:46):
fox is willing to let you do A saturday night,
race can you do? It are you willing to try
to do what it might take to spread the word
and make that? Work can it? WORK i understand if
you say it. Can't there wasn't very many people. There, Richmond, Homestead.
Phoenix those are all things That i've thrown, out And
(40:07):
nathan wrote. THEM i think everyone is hearing. THAT i
don't know how likely some. Are we need to see
The cup. Schedule that'll help. THINGS i don't know if
they have that all done internally to be able to.
Compare can you do a doubleheader WITH nascar at any
of those? Tracks that makes things a lot. Easier if
(40:29):
it's in the spring with both On, fox that solves
a lot of, problems adds to a lot of. PROMOTION
i Think nathan wrote that he's Hearing toronto And portland were.
Likely i'd been Hearing toronto was okay. Too actually haven't
heard anything one way or the other About, portland but
(40:50):
it makes. Sense Green savary is a strong. PARTNER i
would imagine it helps them to have four IndyCar races
to kind of work together when you add In Saint
pete and Mid ohio that a big package probably works
well for. Everyone BUT i don't THINK i know anything.
(41:10):
Else and What i'm most worried about is how big
is that gap going to be in the. SPRING i
hope there's SOMETHING i don't know to lessen that.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Gap, NO i think you're. RIGHT i have that same
fear as. Well The Mexico city sounds like AND i
Think nathan even pinpointed. THIS i had heard this in other,
circles none of which at sixteenth In, georgetown BUT i
had heard in some circles that it would be paired
With Laguna seca, perhaps and that it might also Be
(41:41):
brickyard four hundred. Weekend SO i hope not to that's,
doubles hope's. Not it's a divide and conquer this weekend
in terms Of IndyCar AND ims management and The penske.
ENTERTAINMENT i Know, rogers you, know going to be one
spot And Mark miles will be. Another Doug bowles mate
(42:01):
is going to try to do. Both so it's, yep
and and you go right down through the leadership and
divide and. Conquer so tough. SITUATION i don't know how
you get around, it aside, from you, know just making
moving heaven and earth to do.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
So SO i don't know a timeline for some. Things
it might take a little more time to work things
out if they're trying to figure if they'd like to
keep another. Oval i'm sure the other option is to
do a double header At, milwaukee which is A penske promoted.
Race my hope is that's not the.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
CASE i get.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
It if it, happens it probably strengthens the bottom line
for that event if you do. That But i'd Love
i'd Loved, RICHMOND i Love. Phoenix i'd love to love
them with people there watching the race, though you know
that that's kind of the. Key homestead wasn't super well,
attended but short track racing In IndyCar has been pretty.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Good, yeah they.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Have they have figured out an. Package SO i think
some of those things would be interesting to. See so
we shall find, out all, right we will see what
we missed next on track. Side, hi this Is Rene's
feke and you're listening To Trex yath final. Segment WHEN
i talked silly, SEASON i should have thrown in. This
you might Watch Zach brown on the morning warm up
From sunday The errol McLaren. Ceo he mentioned that the
(43:23):
driver lineup is, confirmed and as they were finishing it,
up by the, way.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Really good, CONVERSATION i think it.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Was you, Know zach has a bit of a, reputation
but it was good to have more than a thirty second.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Interview with him to really get into some of his.
THOUGHTS i Like.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
ZACH i know you've Known zach a lot longer and
a lot better than. Me but at the, End buckson
or someone said, okay and you, said everybody's set for next.
Year all three drivers were, returning And zach said they're all.
Confirmed they're confirmed until they are. Not and then he,
said just. Joking but that's what it. Is that contracts
(43:57):
are just kind of suggestions and when you everyone gets
replaced at some. Point so that's just the way it.
Is do you have ANYTHING i missed that we need to? Say,
NO i don't think.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
SO i did find it interesting and just you know
how closely the careers Of poto And colton have been
over the. Years you, know they've been racing together and
against each, other and they were teammates briefly and all
the things that go with. It how about the stat
they both have nine Career IndyCar series. Wins at this,
point they are on the same. Trajectory, Still potter's in
(44:34):
line for his best career finish in terms of the season.
Standing it's been great to watch those two come, together
and they're both going for number ten this, weekend so
let's see if one of them can get there ahead
of the other.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
And in Toronto, when the green flag flies, we.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Will be racing. And we are racing.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And Colton heard her immediately with the advantage and we
see a full court much here it is and McLachlin
is into the wall and his rear left has gone, Oh,
we've got a flat, Rossiere Rossie.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I think that's more than a flat. I think that's contact.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, it looks like he's gone into the wall given
the bodywork damage. Flailing around back to full course caution.
Here at Toronto, Jacob Abel who was being passed by
David Malucas try to turn in a little too early
with Foster on the inside and then new card just
nowhere to go once again.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Oh and we have a Rosy quest and that is
down at turn ten, guys three to go. That might
be Austi road victory on the streets of Toronto.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Highlights from IndyCar at Toronto, courtesy of Fox Sports from
this past Sunday. Hello, welcome, thanks for joining us. It's
track Side ninety three five, one oh seven five The Fan.
Tonight's less plausibly live on this edition of the program.
Landon Coons is in the studio at this moments in
(01:23):
downtown Indianapolis. I'm Kevin Lee along with Kurk Cavin. Full
disclosure in case somebody got sacked today, or the schedule
was announced, or something else came through. We are recording
on a late Tuesday afternoon, so you're on your own
and you can wait until next Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I believe it's Wednesday.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Night if you're listening to this live on the radio
or at your leisure on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or
anywhere else, and we will be back next Tuesday. But
I'm busy on Wednesday, so our only opportunity he was
on a Tuesday. I've made it home from Canada. My
bag has not yet, hopefully it will be before I
(02:07):
leave for Monterey at some point on Thursday morning. A
lot to get to tonight, we'll just kind of bounce around,
free flowing thoughts on silly season is really ramping up.
There's been a lot of schedule reporting, a lot of things.
I think we're all kind of on the same page.
We're all kind of hearing the same things. When I
(02:29):
read what racer dot Com and The Indianapolis Star are
writing it's mostly things that I've shared of random thoughts.
Still nothing definitive next year, but we're getting a little
closer on some things, and it seems like some more
things are being ruled out.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Let's talk about the race yet again.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I think a very entertaining race with a lot of storylines,
and I will admit quite a bit confusing, but it
comes out with Poto Award has won two of the
last three, giving us the dumb and Dumber. So you're
telling me there's a chance at the championship ninety nine
back with four to play.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well, you know, I'm not a big fan of saying well,
that was the best race of this season, And I
know when we get to the end of the season,
we'll say, you know, which races stand out? Is you know,
really really competitive? Which ones? You know when there were
two hundred and one passes for position, Now, I know
it kind of got a little jumbled because you had,
(03:28):
you know, a pit strategy that changed the dynamics of
this race. But when you have that many passes for
position on a track that is less than two miles
in distance, you've got something special. There was beating and banging.
There was, you know, and it wasn't this race. But
you could make the case that if somebody said, hey,
(03:48):
I just got hit, that you could reply, as they
did in Iowa, We'll hit them back, because that's kind
of what was happening. And it wasn't you know, reckless.
It was good aggressive driving in a in an environment
that doesn't really allow for or or allow you to
get away with anything without you know, this being some repercussions.
(04:08):
The walls are closed, the cars are closer, and this
just was one of my most favorite races of the
season to date, and it was great that, you know,
Poto won. He's a popular winner. Of course, he's now won,
you know, at least two races in four of the
last five seasons. But it's just one of those one
(04:30):
of those days that I got. When the race was over,
I was just happy. It was It's two hours of good,
good entertainment. So do you understand how the race was won?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I think basically, you know, from my standpoint, the race
was one when you know, you made the decision to
start on the alternate tires and and then Poto got
off of him. I wasn't sure if he completed his
full two laps, I guess he did.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
And then behind that second count on pitt Lane, you
don't whether you're wherever your pit box is, even if
it's before the line, they don't hold that again.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, so really you just have to cross the line
once on track.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
That's right. So he essentially completes his two laps of
alternate running and then he gets to run primaries the
rest of the way. Alex Pollow made the decision, like
his teammate Scott Dixon, to start on the primaries, and
they were going to go however far the primaries would
carry them on the first stint and then try to
(05:35):
find a spot later in the race to run the reds.
And they never found a sequence that would allow them
to just do two laps and uh and make it
a make it a quick stop the way Potto was
able to. I think that ultimately was the decider, you know,
but we had you know, there's still a lot of
ways that it could have gone wrong for Potto. If
(05:58):
if the caution comes out different times, if being mired
in the back of the pack is creates a situation
where you're collected, any of those kind of things would
have changed the dynamics, but it played out well for
Potto and not as well for Alex Polo. But you know,
he still finishes twelfth, and he still, you know, leaves
the event with a ninety nine point lead. You know,
(06:22):
in perspective, Potto would have to have one of these
kind of days three more times in the final four
races where he just scores a lot of points and
Polo doesn't because he's still ninety nine points back and
he only sliced thirty out of his lead on this
particular occasion. So you know, it's still Alex Pelow's race.
(06:45):
But hopefully I've summed it up pretty well and that's
how Potto won this race.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Now I'll get back to math in a minute, because
I've done some scenarios.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And as much as we want to hype the.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Championship, and we probably will, we like to do that,
but will also be real a little bit. So Poto
got the caution to come out at the right time twice,
so he didn't just dump on the first pit on
the first caution, which a lot of people did, but
he and New Garden and a few others came in
(07:18):
under green on lap two.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
One of them was McLaughlin.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Unfortunately McLaughlin's tire wheel was not attached. It fell off.
He's into the wall. There's your caution, so that's bonus one.
He moves past all of those people that waited to
pit until the lap four pit opening under caution and
he cycled through them.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And the real big.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
One was when Polow was going along on the black
sidewalls the herds and another caution comes out of lap
thirty who had just stopped Poto Award. That's what flipped
the script right there, and that's when it went south
for Plow, and then it got really confused. They were
going to come in and then the pits closed. They
(08:04):
were open and they were closed, and I think something
happened with a pace car is what happened, and it
wasn't available for a little bit. So Polo was pacing
the field and as it kept circulating, then it was well,
let's just go.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Ahead and try to stay out.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
And Polo needed yellow, but not nearly that much yellow
he needed to make it so those that came in
on lap two had some difficulty. But even then I
don't think he was going to be able to win. Well,
he might have been close, enough where he could have
passed enough people, but Poto already was in position to
be able to make it home the rest of the
(08:40):
way on fuel because he had gotten rid of the softs.
Polo and Dixon still had to run the softs in
the middle stint and they just couldn't make them last
very long. So that was the storyline there. From that,
here's some math. So I looked at it this way.
If Polo scores minimum points five for the final races
(09:08):
and Poto averages finishing second, Poto wins the championship. But
that's what it takes. Finishing third is not good enough.
An average of third thirty five points per race. Polo
(09:29):
could simply start and park every race and still win
the championship. That's one way to look at it. Another is,
if Poto won every single race maximum points, Polo needs
to only average fifth, average fifth. Final way I looked
at it, Let's just say it goes horribly wrong. Polo
(09:52):
averages twentieth ten points per race, and by the way
to average that, that means he just he needs to
finish fourth one weekend and then show up for the
other three, and he's going to average twentieth for that
to happen, we're back to that must finished seconds, which
(10:12):
is very very hard. So we're going to say, I'm
telling you there's a chance, and there is. Because if
Potto could win every race, which would be winning six
of the final seven, which goes against my He's due theory,
that's quite difficult to do unless your name is Alex Pelow.
(10:33):
And even for him it hasn't happened, but that's kind
of what it's going to take. He's going to have
to still win three of the four, be on the podium,
and as you said, Polo is going to have to
DNF and three of them and be very average in
the other.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So I'll give you, I'll give you another way to
look at it. In my opinion, login Sega, which is
Sunday's race, is Alex Pelow's best track, best track in
the whole season. He has finished saying something, and that's
saying something. So he has finished second, second, third and
two first in his four races. This is his best track.
(11:12):
Remember what three years ago he won by thirty seconds,
thirty seconds plus. So if he were to go out
and have a thirty second plus type of day and
sweep the points and and Poto not finish up in
the points. You know, let's say he's in the midpack
or below, then Polo could almost clinch it this weekend.
(11:39):
It could almost be mathematically over. So it's gonna be
all bit over.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
It'll be all but mathematically over if he were to
win this race, had he started on the softs and
just done the safe strategy. And you know, he said
in the interview I talked to him before. He didn't
tell me who made the decision, but he did say,
I'm fine with doing something different.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
He's got such a big lead.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
He knew the Andretties were fast, Colton and Kirkwood were
the two to be and you knew will Power if
he stayed up there was going to be aggressive. Will
Power is not thinking points raising. He is thinking about wins.
So he wanted to do something different and had it
stayed green at the beginning, I think he wins that
race going away, and if that caution doesn't come out
(12:26):
on thirty, he's still on the podium or close to it,
and we're talking about the championship being wrapped up with
four to go on the fourth race to go with
three to go this week, now it's going to be
wrapped up probably at Portland.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And remember we went, we went almost what twenty years
almost before it ever happened that somebody clinched ahead of
the last race of the season. It had gone from
two thousand and five when it last happened where someone
clinched early, to Pulos in twenty twenty three, so what
eighteen years before that it happened. The other thing that's
(13:04):
interesting to note about Laguna's sake is this has not
been one of POTO Awards better tracks either. Just while
it's he's been okay, he's been a top ten kind
of guy, but he's not finished better than fifth and
not really contended for a win. So you know, it
just has all the making still of Polo really excelling
(13:26):
this weekend and next race at Portland. That's those are
two places where he's combined to win four races and
then you know he'll be fine. Doesn't really need to
do much the two oval races where POTO Award will
be should be better at the oval races coming up.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, I think that's it.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
And the one thing I would say next is it's
still been a remarkable season for Poto that this has
been a step forward. He's the only driver that's won
for Chevy this season obviously than the only driver that's
won for his team. Poto is backing it up. I
think he has taken another step this season.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Oh I know. The other thing I was going to.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Say was that all those things you said about Lagunaeseka
applied to Toronto not good.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
They're not successful.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
They figured some things out and he gets the win,
so maybe they break through. And a lot of people
have been thinking about next year for a long time
because this has all been a little bit new for
some of these tracks, with the first time with the hybrid,
with the extra weight, different tires. This is the first
time with the hybrid at Laguneseka, so we don't know exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
What the fuel mileage is going to be.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
We don't exactly we don't know what the tire wear
is going to be like, so that might throw things
up in the air a little bit as far as
set up, and mostly just for strategy.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Should be a three stopper.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
It was a three stopper last year and it has
to be a three stopper, and I think you'll see
some end up doing four because I think you need
to average like twenty five and a half laps, and
it was I think we had a lot of cautions
the last two years, five last year, eight the year before,
but twenty six ish seemed about what they were going
(15:14):
last year.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So it's a little bit tight in it.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
For some reason, the safts do not last eighteen to
twenty laps, then you're going to see some people do
four stops.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
It's a short.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Time lost on pitt ling, kind of like what we
also had this past weekend. So it's not as much
of a penalty if you do an extra stop if
you're actually fast on the racetrack. So from that perspective,
I think we could have some interesting things this weekend.
We're going to go back the more to Toronto. And
how about Rena's vik Not just this weekend, but let's
(15:47):
look at this season. He is ahead of the championship.
In the championship. Of the two guys he was punted for, right,
they chose Rossi and they chose Rasmus, and I don't
blame them. I would choose those people as well. And
I'm not going to say I'm not of the opinion.
My opinion is not worthy because I'm not there within
(16:10):
that team to know, you know, between Rasmussen and vk
who you should keep or not.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
They know more than I do.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I'm not going to pretend, but just bottom line, he
is with a supposedly lesser team, certainly far lesser resources
and budget available, and he is consistently driving forward. The
breaks come your way, but he's making him work and
he is driving hard and smart.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, I think people have seen a change in their
opinions of Renus and I think, you know, we talked
about this before. I think it made sense for Ed
Carpenter and the race team to move off of Renus,
and I think it made sense for Renus too. I
think Renis needed a change as well from that organization
(16:58):
to just you know, try some the different. And he
has helped his stock immensely. You know, he's eleven points
from being the number one Penske driver. I mean that's unbelievable.
He's already ahead of McLaughlin and he's ahead of new Garden,
but he's within eleven points of power as well, and
you would have never never scripted that. So good on
(17:20):
him and good on Kiffin. Simpson gets a podium that
he has improved as well. He continues to impress people.
So you know, it's nice when you have a podium
that doesn't look like all the rest. Sometimes the photographs
start to look the same, and I think people look
for fresh faces. You know, having Rina's vk and and
(17:42):
Kiff and Simpson up there with Poto Award was a
nice change of pace for this series.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
It certainly was a lot of attention when Kiffin was
moved up to Indy Car, when they created a fifth
car for him when he was nineteen years old and
he finished ninth or whatever it was in the Indie
Lights Championship and maybe he had one podium and as
we always say, the answer to all of your questions
is always money, But it turns out it's more to
it than that. He is the dream driver. He has
(18:10):
massive budget attached to him, and he's good enough getting
he's getting. He's he's still twenty. He's worked really hard,
he's done everything. They have had the resources to allow
him to do anything to be prepared, but he's taken
advantage of it. Not all kids that come with the
type of budget work quite as hard or are as devoted,
(18:34):
and let's just be honest, most everyone that makes it
a motorsport has some level of wealth attached to them.
It's very difficult. The list is very very short of
those that come from true middle class homes that can't
afford to at least get their kids started in this
(18:55):
so there's obviously different levels of that. But Kiffin is
showing he deserves to be there. He's got a great car,
but we've seen people in great cars.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Before they don't always do well.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
He's not a championship contender yet, but he's on the
path so that's fun.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Nice kid.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Happy for him Andretti doesn't have the result they're hoping for,
but not awful four to five to six and certainly
good for Marcus Eriksson to finally get a result. It's
his best finish of the season. Graham ray Hall has
a really strong day and I think it matters more.
Finishing seventh is great, but the fact that it was
(19:33):
legit top six pace qualify fifth finished seventh in this race.
Prema gets a result. That's the second time they've been
inside the top ten.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Best of the year.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I Loot finally gets one climbs out of next to
last in the championship points. Schwartzman, by the way, is
now even with Louis Foster for Rookie of the Year,
So we'll have to keep.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
An eye on that moving forward.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Any other thing from the box score, I guess the
other there is just I can't believe what has happened
to Team Penske.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
It can go wrong, it will go wrong. Yeah, they
ended up with First of all, Felix Rosencris must be
seeing will Power in his sleep because Power banged off
both sides of the of the front wing. You know,
they made contact twice. And then Joseph Newgarten gets, you know,
just bad luck, wrong place, wrong time. When when Jacob
(20:30):
Abel has has a little mix up there in the
in the restart at turn one, I think you know
it wasn't said definitively. I think I'm willing to say
definitively he took some contact from Louis Foster, h Jacob Abel.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
He did, you know he did? Yeah? I noticed that Foster.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
In his quote after the race saying I think because
he eventually something broke and he suspected it was from contacts,
as he said as I was passing another So it
was I think his left rear to Jacob's right front.
But from what I saw. There was definite contact there,
and I think the booth even mentioned that that Jacob.
(21:12):
I don't know whose fault it was, but Jacob may
have turned in earlier than he probably should have, or
did foster track farther. I don't know, but yeah, there
was contact there. It wasn't just that Jacob totally missed
the corner and went straight into the wall.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
So when I think some help couldn't be avoided that
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
It looked like Jacob had let the car the first
car through yep, but wasn't prepared for the second car.
Whether you know whether who created the space. Look, it's
tight there. A lot of people have had trouble. We've
had a lot of dust ups there on middle to
exit of turn one, so that's you know, that's not
(21:49):
a Necessitaria.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Potto gave a little hip check to will Power and
not in the wall as hard bud Power got into
the wall, muckily didn't damage too many things. Will had
a lot of contact with a lot of people. Yeah,
there was a lot of contact with a lot of
contact people.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
It was bumper cars all day long, and.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
It's amazing we think about stock cars being the ones
where you can rub fenders. Delara builds a sturdy race car.
Some things are going to fall off now and again.
But the amount of people that finished the race with
the number of contacts that they had is quite remarkable.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, and a lot of that contact was wall contact,
you know, especially down there in turn three. The exit
of three. You know, you can down the long straightaway
Lake Shore Drive and then you hang the right and
up the hill and off camber. I don't know how
there's not a crash there or contact in every lap,
(22:49):
but it's people make it. They're side by side a
lot right there, and the guy on the left has
to be really cognizant of wall approaching on the left
and fellow driver on right. So it's an accident zone
waiting to happen, and there was a lot of contact there.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I guess the other thing is we need do need
to get confirmation that Santino Ferrucci is okay.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
It sounds like.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
He would have been able to participate. May not have
been ideal, but I think he I don't know, but
it sounds like he would have probably tried to race.
It was more of it's going to be really hard.
We can't repair this car. Some teams have more resources
to get a backup car ready, and it depends on
how close it was to being ready. And then I
(23:35):
think it might also come into let's talk risk versus reward.
If you're aj Foyd racing, we're starting Santino was going
to start twenty third, we are starting in the back.
We just destroyed a race car. We've destroyed several here recently.
Do we want to rebuild another one? Probably not going
(23:59):
to have great results today. Haven't shown the pace all weekend.
And it is a street race. Remember last year about
half the cars were destroyed.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Is that worth it?
Speaker 4 (24:09):
And then we run the risk of not being fully
ready to go for Laguna Seca for a cross country tow.
I think that was a prudent move. The driver's banged up.
You know that the car is not going to be right,
let's just pack it in.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
It wasn't just the car was in an accident. All
four corners were impacted and they had to throw in
a new car they had and they had three hours.
It wasn't like they had, you know, a day and
a half. They had three hours max.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
And that yeah, let's yeah, so we need to make
sure that he's going to be okay, that his hand
is okay. So that'll be one thing we'll watch and
probably get official confirmation on Thursday morning. If not, uh,
maybe it's already come out at some point today. Uh,
silly season. Quick update. I got nothing definitive other than,
(25:01):
as we would say, chatter in the paddock. So I've
been saying all along with no sourcing. It's just I
think Will Power is going to be driving at twelve
next year, and I think you've agreed with me on
that just.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Just makes sense.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I am much less confident of that today than I
was a few weeks ago, from just the sense and
from hearing people, and I kind of feel like I'm
in the same place I was with Elio a few
years ago, because I'm looking at a big picture, well one.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I like Will just like I liked Eloh and still
like l e Oh. But I think they're great for
the sport.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Eloh was and maybe still is one of the top
three most popular drivers doing one race a year, and
Will is not only one of the more popular drivers,
but he's interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
He's unique.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
He is one of not just one of the top
five or ten greatest drivers.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Ever, but one of the most unique.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
And original people you will ever meet. And I say
that in a good way. And I want him to
be in the sport because he's not vanilla.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
He shows you emotion.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
He's got enough success where he's a little more okay
telling you and showing you what he actually thinks.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
People don't delay good news.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
They don't, they don't.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Penske's deals have always been done in the spring, and
I'm starting to fear and I don't have this on
authority either. At any point, I cannot report this. I
can't even tell anyone privately.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I know this is the case.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
But I'm starting to wonder if there was something written
in the Malucas agreement that also I can't prove. But
many people say, is there that he's moving to Penske
next year. That's what a lot of people think.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Well, I think that that makes a lot of sense,
because why you know, they when they did this deal,
that would be a thing you would expect to perhaps
be in writing.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I didn't expect that.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Now.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I didn't expect that it had to be one year.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I could talk myself into either one. What I kept
hanging my hopes up with Will on was the management
changes created a vacuum where they weren't ready to make
a final decision, you know. But he just keeps saying,
(27:44):
you know, I don't know, And it would seem it's
very on Penske like for this, for this still to
be dangling in the air.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
The only thing that could bow well for Will is
maybe it's not done. I've said this before too, because
there is a performance clause, meaning if David finishes at
some place in the championship and or wins a race,
you are guaranteed of Penske seats. Now, even if all
this is written in, I still think there is a scenario.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Here's what I do.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I would try to convince David Malucas to do one
more year at aj Foyd Racing because there will be
less pressure, make him more part of Team Penske. Let's
actually have them participate in the driver debriefs. Santino Ferrucci
said on Hinch and Rossi's podcast a couple of weeks
ago that there is no interaction. The engineers talk amongst
(28:42):
themselves and maybe it's just Santito. Maybe David is invited in,
but he has no interaction other than if he happens
to walk by one of the Penske drivers, and Will
is probably the one that's more likely to chat with
him a little bit. But there's no official relationship between
the drivers, not debriefing together or do anything. Maybe that
(29:03):
becomes a little bit more part of it for the
greater good of the team, having will.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Power a part of it.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Again, this was noted highest qualifying Chevy going into the weekend.
Now the race is han't gone great, but he's still
highest in the championship of that team. I think it
would help David to have one more year. A lot
of pressure coming in trying to match Joseph Neugarten, Scott McLaughlin. Yeah,
this year he's better than them. I know that he's
(29:31):
better than them in points, but on pace he is
not quite there yet. So we will see. But if
that does happen, does Roger Penske say all right, we're
going to continue this technical relationship and strengthen it some more.
And history would say, you know, Montoya was moved out
(29:54):
when he was still pretty competitive, same with Elio castro Neves.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
A lot good teams do it that way.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
We would rather move on too early than too late,
especially if we feel like we have a worthy replacement.
And you know, with what I said about I think
it'd be good for Malucas. I also understand I may
not know what I'm talking about. Yeah, you know the
people at Team Penske. Now, those people, so Tim Sindric
(30:23):
or Roger or Ron Razuski, you know, the people that
would have made this decision a year ago.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
They do know more about this than I do.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
And they may have spotted something and said, David Malucas
is going to be Alex Polow if you put him
in the right situation, because nobody saw that coming with
Alex Polo. After he finishes nineteenth or whatever it was
with dale Coin Racing and wins a championship the next year.
So I get that, but maybe someone says, all right,
I don't see anywhere for will to go.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
He's good for the sport.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
We're going to continue to help aj Foyd Racing, and
we are going to find a sponsor for wheel power
to slot in that car with a Penske engineer like
James Schnoppel. So that scenario was there. If not, I'm
not sure where he goes. And then you get back
to Renas Vike, who is a free agent. I might
(31:15):
argue that he should, you know, unless Penske can ask
your Andretti or McLaren come calling, and maybe you put
Meyer Shank in that category.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Two.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
So that is a lot of teams. But if one
of those comes through, you take it. But if they don't,
maybe you just stay where you're at instead of moving
to Hunko's Hollinger if there's a seat open there, or
Prema or Ray Hall, Letterman Lantagan, maybe you're better off
just where you're at and continue to overachieve. Don't know,
(31:45):
depends on financials. Two questions I don't have answers for.
I don't expect you to either. How is the pressure
different for David Malucas in twenty six against Joseph and
Scott Maclachlin's teammates versus two twenty seven?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I mean, how is it? How is your pressure any different?
And then second of all, how is all this maneuvering,
especially with aj foyight in mind? Where does Miles Row
factor in? And do you do you need a spot
for him?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Great question?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
First one is I'm looking more at the new Garden
template that team Penske normally takes finished products.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
The only one. They didn't with.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Scott McLaughlin, who was a three time champion in another series,
but New Garden won multiple races, was in the championship
fight two years. Lucas has done neither yet. I think
it would be good for him to do that next year.
The goal should be let's be in the top five.
Let's boost that team, see what they need to make
(32:48):
them a real fighter. Now maybe the feeling is he's
never going to get that. We need to get him
over in Team penske Land. So that's the scenario there.
Miles is an interesting category. So he wins last.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Week on in Iowa at Iowa, is.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
He ready Maybe yeah? And that might impact powers chances.
I think that is part of it. I would think
the goal was that Miles, especially if the plan was
one and done at Foight with Malucas, is that Miles
Row is going there next. That's what we've always all
(33:24):
thought that that's an incentive in this partnership is there
is a place for Miles Row. And I think you'd
prefer someone being like first, second, and third in the
championship and he can still get to third.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
He has won a race.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I'm going to duck that question and say, let's wait,
if he wins one more race this year, I think
you could start to make the argument that Miles might
be ready if he does not finish strong, He's every
bit and more so ready than Kevin Simpson will different scenario,
I understand.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I understand, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
That they were funding the team and I think they
decided we're coming to IndyCar, and they also wanted to
get to IndyCar before the charters.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Came on board.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
That was part of the hurry too, before they they
knock things down. Yeah, it's a great, great debate and
that does impact things as well next year. But I
think these are a big final few races for and
there's a double header Laguna Seka. By the way, Christian
Loongard is joining us in the booth on Saturday and
(34:32):
Rob Edwards is back in the booth on Sunday. All right,
we'll get to some other things coming up and just mama,
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(38:07):
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Me i've seen a lot of things in the last few,
days SO i just kind of feurized that Maybe IndyCar
AND nascar could work. Together Nathan brown had a good
story in The Indianapolis star and he writes that actually
had been, discussed and we now know it's not going to,
happen BECAUSE i think we've known for a couple of
weeks and it's been confirmed NOW nascar is not going
(38:49):
back To Mexico, city And IndyCar.
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june FOR nascar for The Cup. Series Nathan brown wrotees
in The star his sources are telling Him iowa is,
unlikely AND i mean he may have used a different,
word but that's WHAT i took from. THAT i don't
(39:25):
know that no one has told. ME i still think
it just depends on what they can make. Happen my
opinion would be there is still a chance Of, iowa
but they're looking to see if there are other. Options
it's pretty clear that he is difficult to. Do i'm
still curious what would A saturday night race? Do If
(39:46):
fox is willing to let you do A saturday night,
race can you do? It are you willing to try
to do what it might take to spread the word
and make that? Work can it? WORK i understand if
you say it. Can't there wasn't very many people. There, Richmond, Homestead.
Phoenix those are all things That i've thrown, out And
(40:07):
nathan wrote. THEM i think everyone is hearing. THAT i
don't know how likely some. Are we need to see
The cup. Schedule that'll help. THINGS i don't know if
they have that all done internally to be able to.
Compare can you do a doubleheader WITH nascar at any
of those? Tracks that makes things a lot. Easier if
(40:29):
it's in the spring with both On, fox that solves
a lot of, problems adds to a lot of. PROMOTION
i Think nathan wrote that he's Hearing toronto And portland were.
Likely i'd been Hearing toronto was okay. Too actually haven't
heard anything one way or the other About, portland but
(40:50):
it makes. Sense Green savary is a strong. PARTNER i
would imagine it helps them to have four IndyCar races
to kind of work together when you add In Saint
pete and Mid ohio that a big package probably works
well for. Everyone BUT i don't THINK i know anything.
(41:10):
Else and What i'm most worried about is how big
is that gap going to be in the. SPRING i
hope there's SOMETHING i don't know to lessen that.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Gap, NO i think you're. RIGHT i have that same
fear as. Well The Mexico city sounds like AND i
Think nathan even pinpointed. THIS i had heard this in other,
circles none of which at sixteenth In, georgetown BUT i
had heard in some circles that it would be paired
With Laguna seca, perhaps and that it might also Be
(41:41):
brickyard four hundred. Weekend SO i hope not to that's,
doubles hope's. Not it's a divide and conquer this weekend
in terms Of IndyCar AND ims management and The penske.
ENTERTAINMENT i Know, rogers you, know going to be one
spot And Mark miles will be. Another Doug bowles mate
(42:01):
is going to try to do. Both so it's, yep
and and you go right down through the leadership and
divide and. Conquer so tough. SITUATION i don't know how
you get around, it aside, from you, know just making
moving heaven and earth to do.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
So SO i don't know a timeline for some. Things
it might take a little more time to work things
out if they're trying to figure if they'd like to
keep another. Oval i'm sure the other option is to
do a double header At, milwaukee which is A penske promoted.
Race my hope is that's not the.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
CASE i get.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
It if it, happens it probably strengthens the bottom line
for that event if you do. That But i'd Love
i'd Loved, RICHMOND i Love. Phoenix i'd love to love
them with people there watching the race, though you know
that that's kind of the. Key homestead wasn't super well,
attended but short track racing In IndyCar has been pretty.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Good, yeah they.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Have they have figured out an. Package SO i think
some of those things would be interesting to. See so
we shall find, out all, right we will see what
we missed next on track. Side, hi this Is Rene's
feke and you're listening To Trex yath final. Segment WHEN
i talked silly, SEASON i should have thrown in. This
you might Watch Zach brown on the morning warm up
From sunday The errol McLaren. Ceo he mentioned that the
(43:23):
driver lineup is, confirmed and as they were finishing it,
up by the, way.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Really good, CONVERSATION i think it.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Was you, Know zach has a bit of a, reputation
but it was good to have more than a thirty second.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Interview with him to really get into some of his.
THOUGHTS i Like.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
ZACH i know you've Known zach a lot longer and
a lot better than. Me but at the, End buckson
or someone said, okay and you, said everybody's set for next.
Year all three drivers were, returning And zach said they're all.
Confirmed they're confirmed until they are. Not and then he,
said just. Joking but that's what it. Is that contracts
(43:57):
are just kind of suggestions and when you everyone gets
replaced at some. Point so that's just the way it.
Is do you have ANYTHING i missed that we need to? Say,
NO i don't think.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
SO i did find it interesting and just you know
how closely the careers Of poto And colton have been
over the. Years you, know they've been racing together and
against each, other and they were teammates briefly and all
the things that go with. It how about the stat
they both have nine Career IndyCar series. Wins at this,
point they are on the same. Trajectory, Still potter's in
(44:34):
line for his best career finish in terms of the season.
Standing it's been great to watch those two come, together
and they're both going for number ten this, weekend so
let's see if one of them can get there ahead
of the other.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
ONE i enjoy The brickyard if you are In, indianapolis
and please watch us On fox this weekend three o'clock
On sunday From WeatherTech, Raceway, Laguna. Seka thank you for
joining us from THE bet three six' Five. Commands center
we'll see You next tuesday night at seven here on
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