December 9, 2025 • 44 mins
Tonight, on another edition of Trackside with Curt Cavin and Kevin Lee, they talk about the upcoming April open test for the 110th Indianapolis 500 and tire testing coming soon from Phoenix Raceway. They later talk about Callum Ilott will be doing double-duty in IndyCar and IMSA full-time in 2026. They also talk about which IndyCar drivers are competing in the 2026 24 Hours of Daytona. They later talk about what benefits F1 could get with their new TV deal from Apple TV.
In the second segment, they answer fan questions from Twitter/X about lost topics, such as a third manufacturer, the ending of the 2002 Indianapolis 500, selling the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Juan Pablo Montoya’s return, month of May pranksters, hype of the hybrid, Kevin Cogan, and the FBI raid at Rahal Letterman Lanigan Racing.
To wrap up another edition of the show, Kevin answers more fan questions from Twitter/X about broadcasting the Indy 500 in 4K and the latest on Dale Coyne Racing last open seat.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is Trackside with Kirk Cavin and Kevin Lee on
ninety three to five and one oh seven five the Fan.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The rest of the motorsports world is finally caught up
to join IndyCar for the offseason, so that gets us
much closer to twenty twenty six and the Rolex twenty
four is just over a month away and more IndyCar
drivers have been confirmed. What else still needs to be
determined for IndyCar we'll get into that. We have some
test dates for twenty twenty six and we'll revisit the
(00:35):
biggest mysteries in IndyCar question we posed earlier.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hello, welcome, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's Trackside ninety three five, one oh seven to five
the Fan in Indianapolis. That's where landon Coons is at.
Kevin Lee, Kirk Cavin reminder early notification. Next week's show
will be our final show of twenty twenty five, and
that is also set for.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
At Tuesday, Tuesday, December sixteenth, and.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We'll have the next two weeks off and we will
reconvene Wednesday, January seventh of twenty twenty six. Okay, Kurt,
A lot of places we can start. There's there's a
lot of news. We had an entry list come out
for the Rolex twenty four today with a couple of TBAs.
But maybe I'll go with something that came across just
(01:22):
late this afternoon and answer Ken's question from every week,
When is the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Oval Test. You can't
confirm this because you work for the company, but racer
dot com put a story out this afternoon that gives
us some dates. April twenty eighth and twenty ninth is
(01:43):
the Indie Open Test at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, according
to Marshall Pruitt of racer dot Com. I will not
ask you to confirm or deny that, but I feel
pretty confident Marshall got this from a teen I will
also say I've seen that date and I've had it
on my calendar for a little while. But it also
didn't come from IndyCar. It came from outside sources. So
(02:06):
I just didn't want to be the one to share this.
Now that it's out there in public, will share what we.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Know, and I'm kind of at the same boat you are.
I got that those dates from outside sources as well.
You know it's inside sources where you get them. I think, well,
sometimes when they get to inside source conversations, I kind
of do the l da da da da da da
da da. I kind of missed that line in the
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statement I know I'll be at work that week. I
know that I'll be here those two days, and I
would think if you want to watch Indy Cars, it'd
be good to show up on those two days as well.
What do you mean you'll be at work those two days?
What about the other days? Tbd? No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
WHOA, that's a good gig. Here's some other things we have.
The first scheduled test is early January with a Firestone
tire test. This is reading from racer dot Com from
this afternoon at Phoenix. It's January seventh. Oh, that's a
show day that works out. That's when we start, so
we'll have content that day. Single day tire test. Marshall
(03:12):
Rights does not have a team or teams nominated, but
the first return to Phoenix tire test, held in November,
featured two cars, with Scott Dixon from Honda and Ganassi
and Ed Carpenter Racings Alexander Rossi representing Chevrolet. A similarly
small group of cars would be expected in January. Teams
still have time to declare if and where they want
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to use private days before the season starts March first
at Saint Petersburg. But we do know this now. February
ninth and tenth cebring and for that test. And here's
a little bit of news on this front, because one
of the other questions has always been what's going on
with Prema. Nothing declarative here, but at present twenty cars
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are committed and Prema is on the list. Another test
coming up is let's see February eighteenth and nineteenth back
to Phoenix with a larger group. Eighteen cars on the
latest list and the only ones missing so far. Looks
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like Coin is not scheduled for that one and maybe
somebody else, but Prema is on that list. Now that
does not mean that they're running this season, but it
goes along with everything that we've heard, is that they're trying,
and it's just a matter of how's it going to
get paid for? But they are still operating with the
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intents of competing in twenty twenty six. Now, whatever has
been signed for this test is going to be a
fraction of the overall overhead costs You know basically they're
looking at they probably need sixteen to eighteen million dollars
to be able to compete next year with a two
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car properly run program, and ideally they'd like to have
twenty to twenty two million dollars. Teams are saying it's
ten to twelve million per car at this point. So
that's what we know, and that's a good thing, you
know that they didn't just say nope, we're out. They're
still trying, but we don't have anything definitive at this point.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, it's a TBD to some degree. We'll wait and
see what happens. Yeah, I mean honestly, like the role
ac Centry list that you referred to, that that can
change too, So we'll see who shows up who's ready
to go for those tests. But Prema seems to be
the only one in question, so we'll check back with
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them when the time comes.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Well, and then the team that has a lock on
TBATBD that they have retaken that moniker because it was
it had been outsourced for a little while, but Dale
Cooynt has possession of TBATBD once again, and we still
don't know who's going to be in their second sea
now back to Prema some other news there. One of
the things we wondered and just worried for Callum my lot.
(06:12):
You know, he's under contract, so was Robert Schwartzman for
next year. So as I talked with Callum last fall,
it was, well, it's a little bit hard to go
out and try to find something else because I'm under contract,
and I still hope that that's going to happen and
I can fulfill that contract. Well, he was announced yesterday
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for a full time Imsoweathertech Sportscar Championship ride, and the
beauty of that is he can do that and in
full faith still plan to fulfill the IndyCar contract because
this is the first time since I've been involved in
both series that there are zero conflicts. The only conflicts
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are at the same racetrack. They will race the same
weekend at Long Beach, and they will race the same
weekend at Detroit. Even know if Callum's team, which is
a pro am team, a GTD team, I don't. I
can't recall. That varies year to year. Some years it's
just GTD PRO, some years it's just GTD AM. I
think in the past it's been pro that so he
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may not have to do double duty there. And I
noticed on his tweet he said something along the lines of,
you know, excited to join Wright Motorsports for the full
IMS Championship combined with my IndyCar program, and then he
had an emoji with glasses. I don't know if it
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was a wink wink. You know, I hope this happens,
if that's what that meant or not. But smart on
him because what he has to do, because here's what
I'm sure is going on, Yet for some reason that
does not happen. You know, he has a contract. I
don't know what the clauses of that contract would be
and what outs the team has, but I'm sure he's hoping. Well,
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even worst case scenario and they don't run the car,
I still get paid my salary, which could happen. There
have been drivers that don't get to race. But again,
in a ten million dollar budget, the depending on what
driver it is the two hundred thousand dollars to one
million dollars or you know, in some cases three or four.
(08:19):
But unfortunately, I don't think Callum's not a three or
four million dollar deal. You know, there's still a scenario
where the team could say we're going to honor your contract.
You want a multi year contract, So he needs to
do everything available to show that he is fulfilling and
is available for that contract, and it's up to the
team to decide where he will be.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Wouldn't the glasses refer to waiting to see makes sense?
I'm not good at emojis, but yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I think.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, there was some there was something there that was
saying that fingers crossed.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
That I'm running in Indy Car. Now here's what I'm
wondering about. And I promise you there's no sourcing. I've
not reached out to anyone. I haven't talked to anyone.
It's just a hope. And I know there is efforting
going on to find funding for Prema, and I got
to believe that Calum Lot and anyone he works with
(09:16):
is also asking around, Hey, you want to buy an
INDYCR team, you want to be an investor, you want
to be a sponsor. Do you know who his teammate
is in this sports car operation?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I didn't look.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
His name is Adam Addelson, As Kurtzignetti says, google me. Well,
if you google Adam and his family, they have the
wealth to buy an IndyCar team. They have the wealth
to buy the IndyCar Series. They have the wealth to
buy North America. No, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Think they do. Yeah, they do.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
They owned the Dallas Mavericks, they own the Las Vegas Sands.
They are President Trump's one of the his biggest donors.
This is a very very very wealthy family. So he
is what we call a gentleman driver. He just happens
to be a young gentleman driver. He's in his late
twenties or thirties and at some point a few years
ago decided he wanted to be a race car driver
(10:13):
and has gotten pretty good at it. But he is
a silver amateur driver. But that's how sports car racing
works most of the time, is that someone is funding it.
So he is funding that team. He was a driver
for Right Motorsports and last year he bought the team,
so he now owns the team. And this is inside
(10:33):
baseball in the sports car world. But he was aligned,
you know, the dream for a young driver is to
get aligned with someone that can pay the bills. And
his co driver is named Elliott Skier, who was Adam's
coach and was his full time teammate. All of a sudden,
Elliott is out and only driving the Rolex twenty four
and Calamilot took his place. So unfortunately, bad news for Elliott,
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but I hope he's still being compensated well. But maybe
there's some connection there. And this is purely throwing it
against the wall, but that's my hope, is that Calumi
Lot and his people have aligned. And I know Adam
just a little bit. I've only met him a few times,
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so I don't know if he likes Indy Car, has
any interest, but that's a hope. Maybe that they're going
to be become an investor in prem and helped keep
that afloat, or maybe there's something else somewhere. So that's
just a long shot situation. But sports car racing is interesting.
There are a lot of very successful people on the grid,
like George Kurtz, you know, the CEO of CrowdStrike, who
(11:43):
owns what twenty percent of Mercedes F one.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, there's there's money in the sports car paddock.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And I know one of those really wealthy people told
me last year he's interested in IndyCar, So you know
there's some potential over there if you like motorsports that
might be somewhere where the IndyCar people would to kind
of hang out and say, Hey, I want to come
over here.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
There might be some opportunities here.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
What else in the sports car world from today, we
had all kinds of announcements, This one I think stands
out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So. The Poor Shapenske program has has had Joseph Newgarten
as a part of the team. He was the fourth
driver won the Rolex twenty four in twenty four. I
think that was not this year. That was the year
before last. That was twenty twenty four. He was not
a part of it this year. Scott McLaughlin has been
hoping to drive for the team, but he's been driving.
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He's driven P two before and other things. Both of
them tested in the fall. They did not make the cut.
They are not on the entry list for the Poor
Schapenski team. They could still be added, but it seems
doubtful to me, and that's always kind of a back
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and forth. So they have three drivers. The match you
can have is four. A lot of the pro teams
like to only have three. The problem is if somebody
gets sick, you're really shorthanded for the race. But when
you have four, it's a little bit more cumbersome to
get the minimum drive time in for the race, and
it's very hard to get any practice time when you
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have four drivers. So three is the preference and Porsche
is going back and forth. And the other thing is
people might say, well, why doesn't Roger just say I
want my IndyCar drivers if they want to do it,
to do this race. This is a shared effort, and
I would say more of the decision making comes from Porsche.
This is the way this works.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
It's a Porsche factory team. Porsche pays Team Penske. That's
essentially the sponsor. Porsche is the sponsor. Team Penske operates
the program just like BMW.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Did for Roll.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
They paid them to operate the program, and at some
point last year they just we're going to pay some well,
so they yanked that program away from Ray Hall, Letterman Lanigan.
So Roger can't just say, or Jonathan do Good just
can't say. They can recommend, and they work together and
sometimes that that happens. But the final say, generally in
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these kind of situations comes from the manufacturer. And they
like their people. They like their people that have come
up through the Porsche Junior program all the way to
the top level. The other one that in our world
people might be interested in is that Connor Zillich's name
is not on the list yet, but he could still
(14:37):
be added. There is a TBD listed for the Wheel
and Engineering Cadillac team, which is who he has tested
for a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And I am told I.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Didn't get there until Wednesday to circuit of the Americas,
but he was there testing on Monday and Tuesday again,
is what someone reported. So it seems like that's likely
to happen, but it may be a matter of just
getting contracts signed and and so forth. Other names Bryce Aaron,
who's an Indie Next driver, is going to be driving
a Porsche prototype for JDC, Miller Motorsports, Logan Sargent. The
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F one driver is going to be in the l
M P two car with James Rowe, who's been an
Indie Next driver. James has not been confirmed. I haven't
talked to him for a while, so I don't know
if he's doing Indy Next next year, but he's at
least doing some P two racing. Ray Hall Letterman Lanigan
is now a team McLaren is a McLaren program in GTD,
(15:31):
so a GT three car. Max esterson who I wondered,
might do I know? He's tested an Indie next car.
He was the Team USA winner the year after Jackson,
so he was a teammate with Jackson in the UKs.
He did a fantastic job in the Porsche Prototype at
Rhode Atlanta, and I think he's pretty sought after at
this point. And Uri Zipps is a part of that program.
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So Uri is going to stay with Ray Hall, but
driving the sports car, the Corvette DxD. The team that
Robert Wickins drove for last year in the sprint races
did not announce any drivers, so there's still a hope
that maybe I know, Robbie the last time I talked
to him, was still trying to put it together.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But what's the answer. Always it's money.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Somebody's got to pay for it, you know, and Robbie
is not writing a check to do that. So somebody's
got to be able to fund it to be able
to hire drivers of Robert Wickens, Calberger, Benjamin Peterson. Last
we heard about Benjamin. I don't know whatever came of this,
but I think there.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Was some.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Adjudication being done over his He had a multi year
contract with aj Foyd Racing until aj Foyd Racing said
you're not wanted anymore, and they were still working that
out and I don't know if money ever exchanged hands
on that, and that kind of put Benjamin in a
hiatus for what he was going to do. He did
a little bit of sports car racing last year in
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P two. He is full season with Jimmy Vaster's team,
the Vassar Sullivan lexis number twelve program. So good for
Benjamin there. Kiff and Simpson was announced today back in
sports car racing. That kind of helped his development in his.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Early years, in his early years. What is Kiffin twenty
one twenty one. He's still in his.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Early years, but he will be at least at Daytona
on the LMP two team that Sibastian Border is full
time at. Nolan Siegel is back doing sports car racing,
also a LMP two in a second car for Inter Europol.
Marcus Ericson is going to drive for Wayne Taylor Racing,
which is owned by TWG Motorsports, the same team that
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owns his IndyCar team with Andretti. He is the fourth
driver in the GTD Lamborghini. His brother Hampus drives in
their Super Traviao program. And I saw this too over
the weekend. Did you see Marcus and Hampus drove together
and Marcus is luck, which was not good in IndyCar continued.
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The rear wing broke like five minutes into the race
in a like a twelve hour race. They eventually fixed it,
but we're ten laps down or something, but they did run,
and I wonder if you know that was a bit
of a tryout. That's as far as I know. The
first time he had run a GT three car must
have gone well because Wayne Taylor added him to their
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Rolex twenty four lineup. And I think that's all of
the new announcements and some we've also talked about. So
maybe i'll do this. Let's go through the IndyCar drivers
that are not so far announced for the role X
twenty four. So it's new guard in McLaughlin, Kyle Collette,
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Poto Award who's done it before, Loan Guard are not,
Malucas is not, Ferruci is not. He's doing the Chili
Bowl again with Apocus Racing. I believe Graham is not
as of now, but the ray Hall team still has
a seat open, so they could still potentially add to
that team if they wanted. Hawger is not, Rossi is not.
(19:05):
I think Rasmusen is sure he is. Yeah, yes, that
was announced a while back. We know Power is, Kirkwood
is Ericson. Schumacher is not as of now, but he
has plenty of top level experience, so he could be
named to the ray Hall team as well. Something else
I read recently to think about, why did Schumacher choose here?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
How does this all work?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I've heard he had multiple opportunities as a paid driver
in the world in Durance Championship, the Alping team, Yeah,
the Alping team wanted him to stay, and apparently I've
read it two different places. Cadillac was interested in him
as well. I think it was Cadillac. But so he
is well regarded in that world. So this is, you know,
not just somebody coming over bringing a big bucketload of money.
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He had a good paying opportunity but still wants to
see what he can do in a single seater. I
don't think Louis Foster. I don't think he is doing it,
but I think he might have tested though for Ray Hall.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yes, I don't think he's doing it at the moment, but.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I think he might have tested for them a month ago,
so he could end up in that TBD spot. I
don't think i've seen Rosenquist announced yet. He did it
last year, but so far not same with Marcus Armstrong.
Renez Vik has done it before, but so far not listed.
Stingrye rob is not scheduled to do the race. Robert
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Schwartzman is not, and then we talked to I lot Is.
So we've got a little more than half at this
point that are doing the Rolex twenty four. So that's
what we'll tie us over until we get to IndyCar season.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
What are we working? Like five or six straight years
that an IndyCar champion or an IndyCar driver has been
a champion of the event.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I mean it's I don't broke though that I don't
think that continues anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
It's it's still pretty significant.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, more often than not the winning team includes an
Indy Car driver, but I'm not sure if that was
the case for last year. I can look that up.
Would waste too much time doing five at the last six.
I believe is the answer. That sounds right, Yeah, that
sounds right. F one season is over thought. I had
kind of wanted to revisit this. So now Apple is
(21:27):
the official American home of Formula One Television and a
lot of us I think this is really bad for
Formula One, but I've wanted to revisit that and concede
that these people doing these.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Deals are smarter than I am. So I'm just wondering
more and more.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You know, it's going to be really hard to find
one point five million viewers. I haven't seen the rating
for this pass race, but it's probably pretty good. It's
probably probably came out earlier tonight, so maybe that'll be
in what we missed at the ind of the show.
But they've been doing very, very well, and the common
thought has been, man, you might be ignored by ESPN.
(22:11):
You're going to fall out a little bit of the mainstream. Yes,
you doubled the rights fees to go to Apple, but
is this going to stunt the growth of Formula One
in America? But a lot of me is just wondering.
You know, these people at Liberty Media and at Apple,
so I know the MLS thing, it hasn't worked very well,
(22:34):
they are not growing their audience there, but Formula one
is a different matter. And one thing they are doing is,
I think four or five of the races they're going
to remove the paywall that it is going to be free,
and I'm sure that's going to be at the beginning
of the season, and they're hoping to entice people. And
(22:54):
we all have Apple devices, and I'm sure they're going
to make sure that we all know what is going
on and this is a grand experiment that we all
want to see how it goes. And it's you know,
I know a lot of people get annoyed by streaming
and you read the comments and for example, just in
this a lot of comments about this from F one
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fans where that's the last race I'm ever going to watch.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You won't be getting my money. Eh, maybe maybe not.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And maybe those of you that aren't willing to pay
twelve dollars a month, they're not worried about you because
they're you're not buying their product. They want a demographic
that is going to purchase things. And even if the
number goes down, business wise, this gives Apple a real
chance to become a player in the streaming market and
who would have thought a few years ago. So the
(23:45):
Cowboys Lions game on Amazon streaming, it's an extra step.
It's cumbersome to go find streaming. If you got a
product that people want to find, they will go out
of their way. Nineteen point four million people watched a
race regular season game between a mediocre Dallas Cowboys team,
which I know you know draws the biggest ratings, and
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the Detroit Lions. Twenty two million watched a game on
Peacock either last year or the year before. So maybe
some of us were a little too hasty to say
this is a horrible decision.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
My best guess has been that the audience is going
to be three hundred thousand, But maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Maybe I think it's still over a million people. I
think it'll be more than three hundred thousand. And I
do think if you have a if you're a destination
streaming platform, and you've got an ability to draw people in,
meaning the Amazon Prime thing, we get that. Most of
us now get that if we have Amazon Prime in
our shopping so and Peacock. If you're on Comcast, my
(24:51):
daughter gets peacock. I thought she was sharing my account
which I pay for, but she she doesn't because she
has comcasts. So there is a already a mechanism in
place for a couple of those streaming. I don't know
what Apple's mechanism is to draw people in, but this
is a good thing. The part about ESPN ignoring I
thought this was an interesting anecdote because I watched I
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don't watch a lot of Sports Center and a lot
of ESPN shoulder programming, if you will, but just because
my interests have changed over the years, but there was
very little information on ESPN's college football show about number
one Ohio State and number two Indiana, which was on Fox.
(25:38):
They spent about two minutes on that game, and about
sixty minutes it seemed on Alabama Georgia because that was
on ESPN. I think that was the game. It was
on the game, it was the ABC game. That's when
they spent My point is it's that's real and they
are going to lose formula one is going to lose
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touch with a lot of the common folk. But as
you say, they're not really worried about the common folk.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
One thing I've wondered about, because that's been my thought too,
that ESPN is going to say goodbye to them. I
think I read though that Formula one is doing something
with Disney at the parks, like a Formula one ride
or something like that. Could be What if you know, again,
they're smarter than I am. They're billionaires.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, what if Liberty Media they know this, thought this
ahead and said, all right, we may not air the
races on ESPN, but we're going to stay in business
with Disney, and we're going to do something else to
keep them invested. And it's possible that there's just simply
a pay to play. Hey, if we do this, we're
(26:48):
still going.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
To get thirty seconds of highlights on the Sunday night,
Monday Morning Sports Center or something on. So that that
can all be done can essentially by time and not
be stated that way. But they take care of their partners,
and the other networks do the same. And when you
watch the NBC Sportsmen on Saturday after afternoon, they're previewing golf,
(27:10):
they're previewing they're previewing properties that they have.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
But the but the exposure will be less, you just
it will be less has be, but there's there still
might be some yes, and they'll still cover something that's significant.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
You know, NASCAR is not on ESPN, but they still
get some coverage at times, just not all the time,
you know, and once they get in the NFL season,
I'm not sure that every week you see a highlight
on the Sunday night.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Monday morning Sports center.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I think there has to be a big crash or
something really interesting happen to get a highlight.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
So I found that.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Interesting Helmet Marco out today with Red Bull. That would
be one of the reasons, if I'm Alex Plow, I
wasn't really interested in going this is find a podcast
or something that has a former Red Bull junior driver.
And the difficulty there was dealing with Helmet Marco. And
(28:08):
while he may have been brilliant and he may have
found Verstappen and Vettel, he made your life pretty miserable
and that's probably why he was really good. But you know,
some of the stories I've heard, usually secondhand from people
that have dealt with him, of how much was demanded
of these kids, and if you don't win all the time,
you're out on your ear. And now he's been disinvited
(28:32):
and there's been a full change there. I don't know
how much say he had in the top level program
is more than junior level drivers. But that's going to
bring us up to our next point when I said,
I brought this up a few months ago and we
never had really time to get to it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So we're going to do that next.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
And I've gone back to the tweets that we had
that people sent in in September, biggest mysteries in Indy
Car unanswered questions over the years.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'll go through some tweets.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I want something from you, Kurt, and that's one I
still want to know where did this? And this is
more recency, but where did the Alex Polo to F
one rumors that came about in August this year originate from?
Because I still think there was something and I'm starting
to think more and more it was more from the
F one side that they were kicking the tires. And
(29:20):
I think there's a good chance that Alex Pelow just
said nope, they're going to do that. Nobody has been
able to match Verstappen before, and then it probably again,
what's our answer always, you know, follow the trail, follow
the money trail, just like Deep Throat said in Watergate
and when Red Bull found out, Yeah, I actually if
we want to take over his contract, we're potentially on
(29:40):
the hook for thirty million.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Dollars in a lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
We're no longer interested, but we'll get to that and
more coming up and just the moment track Side ninety
three five one oh seven five the fan.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Hi, this is David Lucas and you're listening to track Side.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Thank you for staying with us. Circling back to something
I brought up a few months ago. I forget where
it came from.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
It might have been.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
It was a tweet that somebody had biggest mysteries in sport,
and I threw something out there, what about in our world,
biggest mysteries in IndyCar. So before I get to any
you have, and then I'll share some of mine. At
the end, I'll go through some of the tweets. This
one came in today, and then I'll get back to
some archives from Tommy the treats Triple Zero. Who will
(30:23):
be IndyCar's third OEM if it ever comes? I think
we need to say who's going to be IndyCar second
OEM because we need Honda to tell us whether they're
coming or going. I don't even know if Chevy or
GM has confirmed their long term commitment, but I think
we feel more confident about that at this point. So
that's the first one, is what's Honda going to do?
(30:46):
So then if they were to leave, then it becomes well,
who's going to be the second? Who will be the third?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I have no idea, and I think it's going to
be one of those that it very easily could just
pop out of nowhere. Penske Entertainment is pretty good about
keeping things on the down low. Roger Penske is able
to do that, and he may be dealing directly with
CEOs and it could just happen. You know, we've heard
about Porsche, We've heard about Dodge, we've heard about Toyota.
(31:16):
In recent years, none of them came to fruition. So
fingers crossed Jason branch Kart Jake, nineteen eighty eight. How
about seeing teen Green's evidence of the end of the
two thousand and two Indy five hundred.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I like that one. I like that one a lot.
I don't know, And you know, this is like throwing
the challenge flag in an NFL game. You know, what
is the evidence that you think you have to make
it to throw the flag.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Well, I know who put their evidence together. My friend
Terry Lingner created the presentation. He was hired by Barry Green,
and I remember having Barry. I wish I had that tape,
but I had Barry on the old Sports Talk on WIBC,
and that was a fascinating conversation about that going through
it all. But here, ultimately, here's still I don't know
(32:15):
that the wrong decision was ultimately made. So the video evidence,
in my opinion is that yeah, Paul Tracy was in
front when the yellow flag came out, But how how
do we determine those things? When is a yellow a yellow?
Because Ylio Castronevez, from everything I've seen, was clearly in
(32:37):
front when the crash happened, and for a bit after
so when the yellow because on the track, when the
yellow should have came out, Eli Oh was still in front.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
That's been my point of contention, And I know it
raises the ire of a lot of people, and I
get that, uh. I just know that when a crash
as significant as what we had in Turn two, we
have said for a long time that safety is the
most important thing. And if you know, it's one thing
if a driver spins into the grass and the caution
(33:13):
doesn't come out. This driver there was question about his peril.
There just was that was a massive hit in turn two.
Caution comes out. Now, whether the mechanisms did or didn't
come out, there's another story. But that was a bimber.
How long it was was it? Well, you're talking about
a couple of seconds. A couple of seconds. Yeah, probably
(33:36):
it's it's human input, so it's going to take a second.
And it seemed to just take a little bit longer
than it should have. Hey, yeah, yeah, don't bring the
one the one. I would like to know what was
the moment that Tony George said, you know, I think
(33:58):
it'd be a good idea to sell the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
I mean, I could understand maybe selling IndyCar. I could
understand maybe, you know, bring it on an investor. But
what hit him that day that he thought this is
(34:19):
a good idea? And second of all, was Roger Pinske
standing or sitting down when he was offered the chance
to buy the racetrack. I believe it was a laguna seka,
so he was probably standing up.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I think that's the story that was said that Tony
asked or why he did just in casual conversation mentioned it.
And the other second part is if Roger had said
we're not interested, would Tony have sold it?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Would he have?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Because I think Liberty Media was interested, there were other
interested parties. Was it a situation where he would have
only sold it to Roger Penske feeling comfortable with that?
Would he have gone to next in line if he?
If he said no, I don't know that Tony has
answered that or been asked that.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
The other question that I think I have resolution to
is what sparked Tony George to start the Indie Racing League?
And that was as best I understand, coming out of
the meeting he had with where he was basically told
in Houston, we don't care what you have to say,
(35:26):
and at that point just said. I don't know if
it was on the plane ride home or in that meeting,
but he basically said, Okay, I'll do it my way.
And so I think I have resolution to that one.
But I'd like to know what really was the was
you know, put up or shut up to sell the racetrack.
I'm sure they had thought about it, talked about it,
(35:49):
but making the move. It's just it's just a whole
fascinating thing.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Lynn underscore Indy Car ask Or says, the reason why
I JPM returned to IndyCar with Penske racing instead of
Chip Ganassi racing, Well, Ganassi may not have had a seat,
I can't recall, so this would have been twenty fifteen.
That was a really good surprise though, that just came
out of nowhere that Montoya came back to IndyCar. And
(36:21):
at that time that was probably when Ganassi had four entries,
but two of them were pay entries, were funded drivers,
and then he had the nine and the ten. I
think we're the ones that were funded by Target. So yeah,
I would go back to answer again as usually money.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, he had that year that he had, you know,
the nine and the ten, and then he had some
combination well he had Charlie Kimball in the eighty three,
and then he had a combination of drivers Stage karum
As of Adra and I think that may just be it.
(37:05):
But the nine and the ten were Dixon and Ganan,
So you're in pretty good shape there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, maybe Ganassi or maybe maybe Montoya had already been
with Maybe it's simply because Penske offered, Yeah, Amanda Bauer,
are there any epic Month of May pranks where we
haven't learned the culprits? I've never really I apologize, I've
not paid attention to that.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
That's for you know.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Connor Daily is in charge of that, and Colton Hurt
and those guys. I don't really follow those. So unless
you did.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
No, no, right, it's a lot of mischief that I'm
all for pranks. I'm all for Sometimes I think they
go a little.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
People that have too much time on their hands. Yeah, yeah,
I got other things to do. But they're kids.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
They're kids, so yeah, I think that's what we forget is,
you know how young it Maybe thirty five, but they're
still kids, that's right. And most of the ones in
the pranking business are not thirty five, by the way,
They're closer to twenty five.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Okay, I just screenshoted some questions we had from back.
I don't think this applies to this topic. We'll go
and address it anyway. Alex Kane seventeen seventy six why
did the hype of the hybrid die off and the
race day discussion about Hughes during the broadcast fall to
basically nothing. Watching races on Fox after the five hundred,
and the guys hardly ever mentioned it. I don't think
they felt like it was super interesting or had a
(38:33):
big impact on things. Everyone was kind of using it
the same, so that, unfortunately it is what it is.
I think it mattered. It was new at the ND
five hundred, and we wanted to see how people did
it in qualifying. I don't know that it'll be a
big of a story next year because everyone has decided
what the best way is to use it, and they're
all going to do.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
It the same way. I think the other thing is
we're still such a visual just watching it. I think
there are some people who want to hear about all
the little nuances of the sport, but sometimes I think
we get bogged down and lose the audience.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
How often do you hear about it in Formula one, Yeah,
other than every once in a while. Mentioned I remember
Hine telling you this that he was amazed when he
got into the Formula one world broadcasting with that F
one TV about all that is involved in that and
the region and the strategy involved, and that's not discussed.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It is a big part of.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
This and it's it's mentioned in passing every once in
a while, because we mostly just want to see race
cars pass other race cars and race each other.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
And of all the DRS conversation that the only way
that I'm really locked into that being an element in
the race is when I see the flaps go down
and I can tell I don't need somebody to tell
me that now we are in a passing situation. Yeah,
and that's gone now, DRS. I know.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, Clay Carter, Oh, here's a good one. What made
Kevin Cogan's car get sideways and the night Ken eighty two?
Was it a mechanical failure or cold tires due to
the slow starts?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
You talk about a moment that changed a person's life.
I mean, I'm not saying I met with Kevin a
few years ago, went to his house and it was
it was not the rock star that he would have been. Now,
maybe his life turns out that way anyway, But and
it probably has more to do his his situation at
(40:27):
the time I visited with him, probably had more to
do with the big crash that he had and the
ramifications long term of that crash on the front, you know,
at the entrance of pitt Lane more so than you
know that particular moment where he at the start of
the eighty five hundred. But you know, imagine how life
(40:48):
changes for a Jhar Hildebrand, for a Kevin Cogan, for
a person whose moment got away from him for whatever reason.
And there aren't many of those kind of moments that change.
I mean, Jr. Has done great, and he's a smart guy,
and I'm proud to know him, and you know you
are as well. But imagine if he was an in
(41:10):
five hundred winner right now. Yep.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Scott Stiller also asked how Tim Green lost their appeal
of Paul Tracy's Indy five hundred win. Okay, that's off topic, No,
He answered that one earlier Todd in Phoenix, whatever happened
to the FBI case that gave rise to the search
worn executed? A rayhall Let had been landing in HQ
in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I drove by there. I drove by there about three
days ago, and I was like, I wonder what happened
to that. I think I mentioned this on the show earlier.
I'm not going to say the person's name, but he
was working in IndyCar this year so he didn't go
to prison, or if he did very long.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
My guess is that the authorities eventually said, we've got
bigger things to do than this. You work this out yourself.
So I never heard anything else. I'm not in charge
of the police be or the court cases or anything.
Bob Pocras is always good about following those, so maybe
Bob will look in ato that. At some point we
might have run out of time for mine, So if
(42:12):
we have time in the next segment, I'll share those,
but we'll probably revisit some of the ones that I
had coming up next week, and we'll also see what
we missed next On Trackside.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Hi, this is Mark Serkson, and you're listening to Trackside
on ninety three five and one oh seven five to fan.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Okay, final segment of more Tweets, Brian m says, who
do we start lobbying at IndyCar on Fox to broadcast
the five hundred and four K next year? Ohio State
versus Michigan last week? And OSU I you tonight?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Are so the equipment availabled in Fox Sports, it's always different.
I don't that's above my pay grade to know how
that works. I think IMS Productions still provides the trucks
compared to what you're seeing in the NFL or college football,
So I don't think it's as simple as Fox has
it for some events. It has them for all events,
(43:02):
but who knows. I don't know if I would notice
the difference. I don't know if my TV is four
K or not. From Lynn, congratulations to DCR for keeping
his annual tradition of being the last team to complete
its lineup. What percentage do you put on the following
one Daily two, Lenus three, Roman four other driver. M
(43:27):
all right, I'll go.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Other driver thirty percent, Grojan thirty percent, uh Lenis fifteen percent,
and Connor fifteen percent. And I don't know that I
feel that confident about others. I probably should give and I.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Think that added up to one hundred. I think i'd
probably put other driver. I probably should have put that
a little higher.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I know Grojean was the target, but I don't know
if they found a way to make that happen financially
run the car. And if I'm Roman gro Jean, I'm
not doing this for free. You know, at this point
he's going to need a salary, so that is a
little bit different than some of the other drivers, especially
younger drivers that are going to do it on prospect,
(44:17):
hoping it leads to a better financial situation down the road. Okay,
out of time for tonight. We'll see you next Tuesday
night again at seven o'clock on track side ninety three
five one oh seven five The fan
This is Trackside with Kirk Cavin and Kevin Lee on
ninety three to five and one oh seven five the Fan.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The rest of the motorsports world is finally caught up
to join IndyCar for the offseason, so that gets us
much closer to twenty twenty six and the Rolex twenty
four is just over a month away and more IndyCar
drivers have been confirmed. What else still needs to be
determined for IndyCar we'll get into that. We have some
test dates for twenty twenty six and we'll revisit the
(00:35):
biggest mysteries in IndyCar question we posed earlier.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hello, welcome, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's Trackside ninety three five, one oh seven to five
the Fan in Indianapolis. That's where landon Coons is at.
Kevin Lee, Kirk Cavin reminder early notification. Next week's show
will be our final show of twenty twenty five, and
that is also set for.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
At Tuesday, Tuesday, December sixteenth, and.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We'll have the next two weeks off and we will
reconvene Wednesday, January seventh of twenty twenty six. Okay, Kurt,
A lot of places we can start. There's there's a
lot of news. We had an entry list come out
for the Rolex twenty four today with a couple of TBAs.
But maybe I'll go with something that came across just
(01:22):
late this afternoon and answer Ken's question from every week,
When is the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Oval Test. You can't
confirm this because you work for the company, but racer
dot com put a story out this afternoon that gives
us some dates. April twenty eighth and twenty ninth is
(01:43):
the Indie Open Test at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, according
to Marshall Pruitt of racer dot Com. I will not
ask you to confirm or deny that, but I feel
pretty confident Marshall got this from a teen I will
also say I've seen that date and I've had it
on my calendar for a little while. But it also
didn't come from IndyCar. It came from outside sources. So
(02:06):
I just didn't want to be the one to share this.
Now that it's out there in public, will share what we.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Know, and I'm kind of at the same boat you are.
I got that those dates from outside sources as well.
You know it's inside sources where you get them. I think, well,
sometimes when they get to inside source conversations, I kind
of do the l da da da da da da
da da. I kind of missed that line in the
(02:32):
statement I know I'll be at work that week. I
know that I'll be here those two days, and I
would think if you want to watch Indy Cars, it'd
be good to show up on those two days as well.
What do you mean you'll be at work those two days?
What about the other days? Tbd? No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
WHOA, that's a good gig. Here's some other things we have.
The first scheduled test is early January with a Firestone
tire test. This is reading from racer dot Com from
this afternoon at Phoenix. It's January seventh. Oh, that's a
show day that works out. That's when we start, so
we'll have content that day. Single day tire test. Marshall
(03:12):
Rights does not have a team or teams nominated, but
the first return to Phoenix tire test, held in November,
featured two cars, with Scott Dixon from Honda and Ganassi
and Ed Carpenter Racings Alexander Rossi representing Chevrolet. A similarly
small group of cars would be expected in January. Teams
still have time to declare if and where they want
(03:36):
to use private days before the season starts March first
at Saint Petersburg. But we do know this now. February
ninth and tenth cebring and for that test. And here's
a little bit of news on this front, because one
of the other questions has always been what's going on
with Prema. Nothing declarative here, but at present twenty cars
(04:00):
are committed and Prema is on the list. Another test
coming up is let's see February eighteenth and nineteenth back
to Phoenix with a larger group. Eighteen cars on the
latest list and the only ones missing so far. Looks
(04:21):
like Coin is not scheduled for that one and maybe
somebody else, but Prema is on that list. Now that
does not mean that they're running this season, but it
goes along with everything that we've heard, is that they're trying,
and it's just a matter of how's it going to
get paid for? But they are still operating with the
(04:45):
intents of competing in twenty twenty six. Now, whatever has
been signed for this test is going to be a
fraction of the overall overhead costs You know basically they're
looking at they probably need sixteen to eighteen million dollars
to be able to compete next year with a two
(05:08):
car properly run program, and ideally they'd like to have
twenty to twenty two million dollars. Teams are saying it's
ten to twelve million per car at this point. So
that's what we know, and that's a good thing, you
know that they didn't just say nope, we're out. They're
still trying, but we don't have anything definitive at this point.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, it's a TBD to some degree. We'll wait and
see what happens. Yeah, I mean honestly, like the role
ac Centry list that you referred to, that that can
change too, So we'll see who shows up who's ready
to go for those tests. But Prema seems to be
the only one in question, so we'll check back with
(05:47):
them when the time comes.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Well, and then the team that has a lock on
TBATBD that they have retaken that moniker because it was
it had been outsourced for a little while, but Dale
Cooynt has possession of TBATBD once again, and we still
don't know who's going to be in their second sea
now back to Prema some other news there. One of
the things we wondered and just worried for Callum my lot.
(06:12):
You know, he's under contract, so was Robert Schwartzman for
next year. So as I talked with Callum last fall,
it was, well, it's a little bit hard to go
out and try to find something else because I'm under contract,
and I still hope that that's going to happen and
I can fulfill that contract. Well, he was announced yesterday
(06:33):
for a full time Imsoweathertech Sportscar Championship ride, and the
beauty of that is he can do that and in
full faith still plan to fulfill the IndyCar contract because
this is the first time since I've been involved in
both series that there are zero conflicts. The only conflicts
(06:53):
are at the same racetrack. They will race the same
weekend at Long Beach, and they will race the same
weekend at Detroit. Even know if Callum's team, which is
a pro am team, a GTD team, I don't. I
can't recall. That varies year to year. Some years it's
just GTD PRO, some years it's just GTD AM. I
think in the past it's been pro that so he
(07:16):
may not have to do double duty there. And I
noticed on his tweet he said something along the lines of,
you know, excited to join Wright Motorsports for the full
IMS Championship combined with my IndyCar program, and then he
had an emoji with glasses. I don't know if it
(07:36):
was a wink wink. You know, I hope this happens,
if that's what that meant or not. But smart on
him because what he has to do, because here's what
I'm sure is going on, Yet for some reason that
does not happen. You know, he has a contract. I
don't know what the clauses of that contract would be
and what outs the team has, but I'm sure he's hoping. Well,
(07:58):
even worst case scenario and they don't run the car,
I still get paid my salary, which could happen. There
have been drivers that don't get to race. But again,
in a ten million dollar budget, the depending on what
driver it is the two hundred thousand dollars to one
million dollars or you know, in some cases three or four.
(08:19):
But unfortunately, I don't think Callum's not a three or
four million dollar deal. You know, there's still a scenario
where the team could say we're going to honor your contract.
You want a multi year contract, So he needs to
do everything available to show that he is fulfilling and
is available for that contract, and it's up to the
team to decide where he will be.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Wouldn't the glasses refer to waiting to see makes sense?
I'm not good at emojis, but yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I think.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, there was some there was something there that was
saying that fingers crossed.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
That I'm running in Indy Car. Now here's what I'm
wondering about. And I promise you there's no sourcing. I've
not reached out to anyone. I haven't talked to anyone.
It's just a hope. And I know there is efforting
going on to find funding for Prema, and I got
to believe that Calum Lot and anyone he works with
(09:16):
is also asking around, Hey, you want to buy an
INDYCR team, you want to be an investor, you want
to be a sponsor. Do you know who his teammate
is in this sports car operation?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I didn't look.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
His name is Adam Addelson, As Kurtzignetti says, google me. Well,
if you google Adam and his family, they have the
wealth to buy an IndyCar team. They have the wealth
to buy the IndyCar Series. They have the wealth to
buy North America. No, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Think they do. Yeah, they do.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
They owned the Dallas Mavericks, they own the Las Vegas Sands.
They are President Trump's one of the his biggest donors.
This is a very very very wealthy family. So he
is what we call a gentleman driver. He just happens
to be a young gentleman driver. He's in his late
twenties or thirties and at some point a few years
ago decided he wanted to be a race car driver
(10:13):
and has gotten pretty good at it. But he is
a silver amateur driver. But that's how sports car racing
works most of the time, is that someone is funding it.
So he is funding that team. He was a driver
for Right Motorsports and last year he bought the team,
so he now owns the team. And this is inside
(10:33):
baseball in the sports car world. But he was aligned,
you know, the dream for a young driver is to
get aligned with someone that can pay the bills. And
his co driver is named Elliott Skier, who was Adam's
coach and was his full time teammate. All of a sudden,
Elliott is out and only driving the Rolex twenty four
and Calamilot took his place. So unfortunately, bad news for Elliott,
(10:59):
but I hope he's still being compensated well. But maybe
there's some connection there. And this is purely throwing it
against the wall, but that's my hope, is that Calumi
Lot and his people have aligned. And I know Adam
just a little bit. I've only met him a few times,
(11:20):
so I don't know if he likes Indy Car, has
any interest, but that's a hope. Maybe that they're going
to be become an investor in prem and helped keep
that afloat, or maybe there's something else somewhere. So that's
just a long shot situation. But sports car racing is interesting.
There are a lot of very successful people on the grid,
like George Kurtz, you know, the CEO of CrowdStrike, who
(11:43):
owns what twenty percent of Mercedes F one.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, there's there's money in the sports car paddock.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And I know one of those really wealthy people told
me last year he's interested in IndyCar, So you know
there's some potential over there if you like motorsports that
might be somewhere where the IndyCar people would to kind
of hang out and say, Hey, I want to come
over here.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
There might be some opportunities here.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
What else in the sports car world from today, we
had all kinds of announcements, This one I think stands
out a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So. The Poor Shapenske program has has had Joseph Newgarten
as a part of the team. He was the fourth
driver won the Rolex twenty four in twenty four. I
think that was not this year. That was the year
before last. That was twenty twenty four. He was not
a part of it this year. Scott McLaughlin has been
hoping to drive for the team, but he's been driving.
(12:39):
He's driven P two before and other things. Both of
them tested in the fall. They did not make the cut.
They are not on the entry list for the Poor
Schapenski team. They could still be added, but it seems
doubtful to me, and that's always kind of a back
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and forth. So they have three drivers. The match you
can have is four. A lot of the pro teams
like to only have three. The problem is if somebody
gets sick, you're really shorthanded for the race. But when
you have four, it's a little bit more cumbersome to
get the minimum drive time in for the race, and
it's very hard to get any practice time when you
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have four drivers. So three is the preference and Porsche
is going back and forth. And the other thing is
people might say, well, why doesn't Roger just say I
want my IndyCar drivers if they want to do it,
to do this race. This is a shared effort, and
I would say more of the decision making comes from Porsche.
This is the way this works.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
It's a Porsche factory team. Porsche pays Team Penske. That's
essentially the sponsor. Porsche is the sponsor. Team Penske operates
the program just like BMW.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Did for Roll.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
They paid them to operate the program, and at some
point last year they just we're going to pay some well,
so they yanked that program away from Ray Hall, Letterman Lanigan.
So Roger can't just say, or Jonathan do Good just
can't say. They can recommend, and they work together and
sometimes that that happens. But the final say, generally in
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these kind of situations comes from the manufacturer. And they
like their people. They like their people that have come
up through the Porsche Junior program all the way to
the top level. The other one that in our world
people might be interested in is that Connor Zillich's name
is not on the list yet, but he could still
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be added. There is a TBD listed for the Wheel
and Engineering Cadillac team, which is who he has tested
for a couple of times.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And I am told I.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Didn't get there until Wednesday to circuit of the Americas,
but he was there testing on Monday and Tuesday again,
is what someone reported. So it seems like that's likely
to happen, but it may be a matter of just
getting contracts signed and and so forth. Other names Bryce Aaron,
who's an Indie Next driver, is going to be driving
a Porsche prototype for JDC, Miller Motorsports, Logan Sargent. The
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F one driver is going to be in the l
M P two car with James Rowe, who's been an
Indie Next driver. James has not been confirmed. I haven't
talked to him for a while, so I don't know
if he's doing Indy Next next year, but he's at
least doing some P two racing. Ray Hall Letterman Lanigan
is now a team McLaren is a McLaren program in GTD,
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so a GT three car. Max esterson who I wondered,
might do I know? He's tested an Indie next car.
He was the Team USA winner the year after Jackson,
so he was a teammate with Jackson in the UKs.
He did a fantastic job in the Porsche Prototype at
Rhode Atlanta, and I think he's pretty sought after at
this point. And Uri Zipps is a part of that program.
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So Uri is going to stay with Ray Hall, but
driving the sports car, the Corvette DxD. The team that
Robert Wickins drove for last year in the sprint races
did not announce any drivers, so there's still a hope
that maybe I know, Robbie the last time I talked
to him, was still trying to put it together.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But what's the answer. Always it's money.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Somebody's got to pay for it, you know, and Robbie
is not writing a check to do that. So somebody's
got to be able to fund it to be able
to hire drivers of Robert Wickens, Calberger, Benjamin Peterson. Last
we heard about Benjamin. I don't know whatever came of this,
but I think there.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Was some.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Adjudication being done over his He had a multi year
contract with aj Foyd Racing until aj Foyd Racing said
you're not wanted anymore, and they were still working that
out and I don't know if money ever exchanged hands
on that, and that kind of put Benjamin in a
hiatus for what he was going to do. He did
a little bit of sports car racing last year in
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P two. He is full season with Jimmy Vaster's team,
the Vassar Sullivan lexis number twelve program. So good for
Benjamin there. Kiff and Simpson was announced today back in
sports car racing. That kind of helped his development in his.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Early years, in his early years. What is Kiffin twenty
one twenty one. He's still in his.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Early years, but he will be at least at Daytona
on the LMP two team that Sibastian Border is full
time at. Nolan Siegel is back doing sports car racing,
also a LMP two in a second car for Inter Europol.
Marcus Ericson is going to drive for Wayne Taylor Racing,
which is owned by TWG Motorsports, the same team that
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owns his IndyCar team with Andretti. He is the fourth
driver in the GTD Lamborghini. His brother Hampus drives in
their Super Traviao program. And I saw this too over
the weekend. Did you see Marcus and Hampus drove together
and Marcus is luck, which was not good in IndyCar continued.
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The rear wing broke like five minutes into the race
in a like a twelve hour race. They eventually fixed it,
but we're ten laps down or something, but they did run,
and I wonder if you know that was a bit
of a tryout. That's as far as I know. The
first time he had run a GT three car must
have gone well because Wayne Taylor added him to their
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Rolex twenty four lineup. And I think that's all of
the new announcements and some we've also talked about. So
maybe i'll do this. Let's go through the IndyCar drivers
that are not so far announced for the role X
twenty four. So it's new guard in McLaughlin, Kyle Collette,
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Poto Award who's done it before, Loan Guard are not,
Malucas is not, Ferruci is not. He's doing the Chili
Bowl again with Apocus Racing. I believe Graham is not
as of now, but the ray Hall team still has
a seat open, so they could still potentially add to
that team if they wanted. Hawger is not, Rossi is not.
(19:05):
I think Rasmusen is sure he is. Yeah, yes, that
was announced a while back. We know Power is, Kirkwood
is Ericson. Schumacher is not as of now, but he
has plenty of top level experience, so he could be
named to the ray Hall team as well. Something else
I read recently to think about, why did Schumacher choose here?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
How does this all work?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I've heard he had multiple opportunities as a paid driver
in the world in Durance Championship, the Alping team, Yeah,
the Alping team wanted him to stay, and apparently I've
read it two different places. Cadillac was interested in him
as well. I think it was Cadillac. But so he
is well regarded in that world. So this is, you know,
not just somebody coming over bringing a big bucketload of money.
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He had a good paying opportunity but still wants to
see what he can do in a single seater. I
don't think Louis Foster. I don't think he is doing it,
but I think he might have tested though for Ray Hall.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yes, I don't think he's doing it at the moment, but.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I think he might have tested for them a month ago,
so he could end up in that TBD spot. I
don't think i've seen Rosenquist announced yet. He did it
last year, but so far not same with Marcus Armstrong.
Renez Vik has done it before, but so far not listed.
Stingrye rob is not scheduled to do the race. Robert
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Schwartzman is not, and then we talked to I lot Is.
So we've got a little more than half at this
point that are doing the Rolex twenty four. So that's
what we'll tie us over until we get to IndyCar season.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
What are we working? Like five or six straight years
that an IndyCar champion or an IndyCar driver has been
a champion of the event.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I mean it's I don't broke though that I don't
think that continues anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
It's it's still pretty significant.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, more often than not the winning team includes an
Indy Car driver, but I'm not sure if that was
the case for last year. I can look that up.
Would waste too much time doing five at the last six.
I believe is the answer. That sounds right, Yeah, that
sounds right. F one season is over thought. I had
kind of wanted to revisit this. So now Apple is
(21:27):
the official American home of Formula One Television and a
lot of us I think this is really bad for
Formula One, but I've wanted to revisit that and concede
that these people doing these.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Deals are smarter than I am. So I'm just wondering
more and more.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You know, it's going to be really hard to find
one point five million viewers. I haven't seen the rating
for this pass race, but it's probably pretty good. It's
probably probably came out earlier tonight, so maybe that'll be
in what we missed at the ind of the show.
But they've been doing very, very well, and the common
thought has been, man, you might be ignored by ESPN.
(22:11):
You're going to fall out a little bit of the mainstream. Yes,
you doubled the rights fees to go to Apple, but
is this going to stunt the growth of Formula One
in America? But a lot of me is just wondering.
You know, these people at Liberty Media and at Apple,
so I know the MLS thing, it hasn't worked very well,
(22:34):
they are not growing their audience there, but Formula one
is a different matter. And one thing they are doing is,
I think four or five of the races they're going
to remove the paywall that it is going to be free,
and I'm sure that's going to be at the beginning
of the season, and they're hoping to entice people. And
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we all have Apple devices, and I'm sure they're going
to make sure that we all know what is going
on and this is a grand experiment that we all
want to see how it goes. And it's you know,
I know a lot of people get annoyed by streaming
and you read the comments and for example, just in
this a lot of comments about this from F one
(23:16):
fans where that's the last race I'm ever going to watch.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You won't be getting my money. Eh, maybe maybe not.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And maybe those of you that aren't willing to pay
twelve dollars a month, they're not worried about you because
they're you're not buying their product. They want a demographic
that is going to purchase things. And even if the
number goes down, business wise, this gives Apple a real
chance to become a player in the streaming market and
who would have thought a few years ago. So the
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Cowboys Lions game on Amazon streaming, it's an extra step.
It's cumbersome to go find streaming. If you got a
product that people want to find, they will go out
of their way. Nineteen point four million people watched a
race regular season game between a mediocre Dallas Cowboys team,
which I know you know draws the biggest ratings, and
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the Detroit Lions. Twenty two million watched a game on
Peacock either last year or the year before. So maybe
some of us were a little too hasty to say
this is a horrible decision.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
My best guess has been that the audience is going
to be three hundred thousand, But maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Maybe I think it's still over a million people. I
think it'll be more than three hundred thousand. And I
do think if you have a if you're a destination
streaming platform, and you've got an ability to draw people in,
meaning the Amazon Prime thing, we get that. Most of
us now get that if we have Amazon Prime in
our shopping so and Peacock. If you're on Comcast, my
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daughter gets peacock. I thought she was sharing my account
which I pay for, but she she doesn't because she
has comcasts. So there is a already a mechanism in
place for a couple of those streaming. I don't know
what Apple's mechanism is to draw people in, but this
is a good thing. The part about ESPN ignoring I
thought this was an interesting anecdote because I watched I
(25:14):
don't watch a lot of Sports Center and a lot
of ESPN shoulder programming, if you will, but just because
my interests have changed over the years, but there was
very little information on ESPN's college football show about number
one Ohio State and number two Indiana, which was on Fox.
(25:38):
They spent about two minutes on that game, and about
sixty minutes it seemed on Alabama Georgia because that was
on ESPN. I think that was the game. It was
on the game, it was the ABC game. That's when
they spent My point is it's that's real and they
are going to lose formula one is going to lose
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touch with a lot of the common folk. But as
you say, they're not really worried about the common folk.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
One thing I've wondered about, because that's been my thought too,
that ESPN is going to say goodbye to them. I
think I read though that Formula one is doing something
with Disney at the parks, like a Formula one ride
or something like that. Could be What if you know, again,
they're smarter than I am. They're billionaires.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, what if Liberty Media they know this, thought this
ahead and said, all right, we may not air the
races on ESPN, but we're going to stay in business
with Disney, and we're going to do something else to
keep them invested. And it's possible that there's just simply
a pay to play. Hey, if we do this, we're
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still going.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
To get thirty seconds of highlights on the Sunday night,
Monday Morning Sports Center or something on. So that that
can all be done can essentially by time and not
be stated that way. But they take care of their partners,
and the other networks do the same. And when you
watch the NBC Sportsmen on Saturday after afternoon, they're previewing golf,
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they're previewing they're previewing properties that they have.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
But the but the exposure will be less, you just
it will be less has be, but there's there still
might be some yes, and they'll still cover something that's significant.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
You know, NASCAR is not on ESPN, but they still
get some coverage at times, just not all the time,
you know, and once they get in the NFL season,
I'm not sure that every week you see a highlight
on the Sunday night.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Monday morning Sports center.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I think there has to be a big crash or
something really interesting happen to get a highlight.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
So I found that.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Interesting Helmet Marco out today with Red Bull. That would
be one of the reasons, if I'm Alex Plow, I
wasn't really interested in going this is find a podcast
or something that has a former Red Bull junior driver.
And the difficulty there was dealing with Helmet Marco. And
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while he may have been brilliant and he may have
found Verstappen and Vettel, he made your life pretty miserable
and that's probably why he was really good. But you know,
some of the stories I've heard, usually secondhand from people
that have dealt with him, of how much was demanded
of these kids, and if you don't win all the time,
you're out on your ear. And now he's been disinvited
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and there's been a full change there. I don't know
how much say he had in the top level program
is more than junior level drivers. But that's going to
bring us up to our next point when I said,
I brought this up a few months ago and we
never had really time to get to it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So we're going to do that next.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
And I've gone back to the tweets that we had
that people sent in in September, biggest mysteries in Indy
Car unanswered questions over the years.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'll go through some tweets.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I want something from you, Kurt, and that's one I
still want to know where did this? And this is
more recency, but where did the Alex Polo to F
one rumors that came about in August this year originate from?
Because I still think there was something and I'm starting
to think more and more it was more from the
F one side that they were kicking the tires. And
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I think there's a good chance that Alex Pelow just
said nope, they're going to do that. Nobody has been
able to match Verstappen before, and then it probably again,
what's our answer always, you know, follow the trail, follow
the money trail, just like Deep Throat said in Watergate
and when Red Bull found out, Yeah, I actually if
we want to take over his contract, we're potentially on
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the hook for thirty million.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Dollars in a lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
We're no longer interested, but we'll get to that and
more coming up and just the moment track Side ninety
three five one oh seven five the fan.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Hi, this is David Lucas and you're listening to track Side.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Thank you for staying with us. Circling back to something
I brought up a few months ago. I forget where
it came from.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
It might have been.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
It was a tweet that somebody had biggest mysteries in sport,
and I threw something out there, what about in our world,
biggest mysteries in IndyCar. So before I get to any
you have, and then I'll share some of mine. At
the end, I'll go through some of the tweets. This
one came in today, and then I'll get back to
some archives from Tommy the treats Triple Zero. Who will
(30:23):
be IndyCar's third OEM if it ever comes? I think
we need to say who's going to be IndyCar second
OEM because we need Honda to tell us whether they're
coming or going. I don't even know if Chevy or
GM has confirmed their long term commitment, but I think
we feel more confident about that at this point. So
that's the first one, is what's Honda going to do?
(30:46):
So then if they were to leave, then it becomes well,
who's going to be the second? Who will be the third?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I have no idea, and I think it's going to
be one of those that it very easily could just
pop out of nowhere. Penske Entertainment is pretty good about
keeping things on the down low. Roger Penske is able
to do that, and he may be dealing directly with
CEOs and it could just happen. You know, we've heard
about Porsche, We've heard about Dodge, we've heard about Toyota.
(31:16):
In recent years, none of them came to fruition. So
fingers crossed Jason branch Kart Jake, nineteen eighty eight. How
about seeing teen Green's evidence of the end of the
two thousand and two Indy five hundred.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I like that one. I like that one a lot.
I don't know, And you know, this is like throwing
the challenge flag in an NFL game. You know, what
is the evidence that you think you have to make
it to throw the flag.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Well, I know who put their evidence together. My friend
Terry Lingner created the presentation. He was hired by Barry Green,
and I remember having Barry. I wish I had that tape,
but I had Barry on the old Sports Talk on WIBC,
and that was a fascinating conversation about that going through
it all. But here, ultimately, here's still I don't know
(32:15):
that the wrong decision was ultimately made. So the video evidence,
in my opinion is that yeah, Paul Tracy was in
front when the yellow flag came out, But how how
do we determine those things? When is a yellow a yellow?
Because Ylio Castronevez, from everything I've seen, was clearly in
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front when the crash happened, and for a bit after
so when the yellow because on the track, when the
yellow should have came out, Eli Oh was still in front.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
That's been my point of contention, And I know it
raises the ire of a lot of people, and I
get that, uh. I just know that when a crash
as significant as what we had in Turn two, we
have said for a long time that safety is the
most important thing. And if you know, it's one thing
if a driver spins into the grass and the caution
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doesn't come out. This driver there was question about his peril.
There just was that was a massive hit in turn two.
Caution comes out. Now, whether the mechanisms did or didn't
come out, there's another story. But that was a bimber.
How long it was was it? Well, you're talking about
a couple of seconds. A couple of seconds. Yeah, probably
(33:36):
it's it's human input, so it's going to take a second.
And it seemed to just take a little bit longer
than it should have. Hey, yeah, yeah, don't bring the
one the one. I would like to know what was
the moment that Tony George said, you know, I think
(33:58):
it'd be a good idea to sell the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
I mean, I could understand maybe selling IndyCar. I could
understand maybe, you know, bring it on an investor. But
what hit him that day that he thought this is
(34:19):
a good idea? And second of all, was Roger Pinske
standing or sitting down when he was offered the chance
to buy the racetrack. I believe it was a laguna seka,
so he was probably standing up.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I think that's the story that was said that Tony
asked or why he did just in casual conversation mentioned it.
And the other second part is if Roger had said
we're not interested, would Tony have sold it?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Would he have?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Because I think Liberty Media was interested, there were other
interested parties. Was it a situation where he would have
only sold it to Roger Penske feeling comfortable with that?
Would he have gone to next in line if he?
If he said no, I don't know that Tony has
answered that or been asked that.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
The other question that I think I have resolution to
is what sparked Tony George to start the Indie Racing League?
And that was as best I understand, coming out of
the meeting he had with where he was basically told
in Houston, we don't care what you have to say,
(35:26):
and at that point just said. I don't know if
it was on the plane ride home or in that meeting,
but he basically said, Okay, I'll do it my way.
And so I think I have resolution to that one.
But I'd like to know what really was the was
you know, put up or shut up to sell the racetrack.
I'm sure they had thought about it, talked about it,
(35:49):
but making the move. It's just it's just a whole
fascinating thing.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Lynn underscore Indy Car ask Or says, the reason why
I JPM returned to IndyCar with Penske racing instead of
Chip Ganassi racing, Well, Ganassi may not have had a seat,
I can't recall, so this would have been twenty fifteen.
That was a really good surprise though, that just came
out of nowhere that Montoya came back to IndyCar. And
(36:21):
at that time that was probably when Ganassi had four entries,
but two of them were pay entries, were funded drivers,
and then he had the nine and the ten. I
think we're the ones that were funded by Target. So yeah,
I would go back to answer again as usually money.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, he had that year that he had, you know,
the nine and the ten, and then he had some
combination well he had Charlie Kimball in the eighty three,
and then he had a combination of drivers Stage karum
As of Adra and I think that may just be it.
(37:05):
But the nine and the ten were Dixon and Ganan,
So you're in pretty good shape there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, maybe Ganassi or maybe maybe Montoya had already been
with Maybe it's simply because Penske offered, Yeah, Amanda Bauer,
are there any epic Month of May pranks where we
haven't learned the culprits? I've never really I apologize, I've
not paid attention to that.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
That's for you know.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Connor Daily is in charge of that, and Colton Hurt
and those guys. I don't really follow those. So unless
you did.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
No, no, right, it's a lot of mischief that I'm
all for pranks. I'm all for Sometimes I think they
go a little.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
People that have too much time on their hands. Yeah, yeah,
I got other things to do. But they're kids.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
They're kids, so yeah, I think that's what we forget is,
you know how young it Maybe thirty five, but they're
still kids, that's right. And most of the ones in
the pranking business are not thirty five, by the way,
They're closer to twenty five.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Okay, I just screenshoted some questions we had from back.
I don't think this applies to this topic. We'll go
and address it anyway. Alex Kane seventeen seventy six why
did the hype of the hybrid die off and the
race day discussion about Hughes during the broadcast fall to
basically nothing. Watching races on Fox after the five hundred,
and the guys hardly ever mentioned it. I don't think
they felt like it was super interesting or had a
(38:33):
big impact on things. Everyone was kind of using it
the same, so that, unfortunately it is what it is.
I think it mattered. It was new at the ND
five hundred, and we wanted to see how people did
it in qualifying. I don't know that it'll be a
big of a story next year because everyone has decided
what the best way is to use it, and they're
all going to do.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
It the same way. I think the other thing is
we're still such a visual just watching it. I think
there are some people who want to hear about all
the little nuances of the sport, but sometimes I think
we get bogged down and lose the audience.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
How often do you hear about it in Formula one, Yeah,
other than every once in a while. Mentioned I remember
Hine telling you this that he was amazed when he
got into the Formula one world broadcasting with that F
one TV about all that is involved in that and
the region and the strategy involved, and that's not discussed.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It is a big part of.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
This and it's it's mentioned in passing every once in
a while, because we mostly just want to see race
cars pass other race cars and race each other.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
And of all the DRS conversation that the only way
that I'm really locked into that being an element in
the race is when I see the flaps go down
and I can tell I don't need somebody to tell
me that now we are in a passing situation. Yeah,
and that's gone now, DRS. I know.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, Clay Carter, Oh, here's a good one. What made
Kevin Cogan's car get sideways and the night Ken eighty two?
Was it a mechanical failure or cold tires due to
the slow starts?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
You talk about a moment that changed a person's life.
I mean, I'm not saying I met with Kevin a
few years ago, went to his house and it was
it was not the rock star that he would have been. Now,
maybe his life turns out that way anyway, But and
it probably has more to do his his situation at
(40:27):
the time I visited with him, probably had more to
do with the big crash that he had and the
ramifications long term of that crash on the front, you know,
at the entrance of pitt Lane more so than you
know that particular moment where he at the start of
the eighty five hundred. But you know, imagine how life
(40:48):
changes for a Jhar Hildebrand, for a Kevin Cogan, for
a person whose moment got away from him for whatever reason.
And there aren't many of those kind of moments that change.
I mean, Jr. Has done great, and he's a smart guy,
and I'm proud to know him, and you know you
are as well. But imagine if he was an in
(41:10):
five hundred winner right now. Yep.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Scott Stiller also asked how Tim Green lost their appeal
of Paul Tracy's Indy five hundred win. Okay, that's off topic, No,
He answered that one earlier Todd in Phoenix, whatever happened
to the FBI case that gave rise to the search
worn executed? A rayhall Let had been landing in HQ
in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I drove by there. I drove by there about three
days ago, and I was like, I wonder what happened
to that. I think I mentioned this on the show earlier.
I'm not going to say the person's name, but he
was working in IndyCar this year so he didn't go
to prison, or if he did very long.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
My guess is that the authorities eventually said, we've got
bigger things to do than this. You work this out yourself.
So I never heard anything else. I'm not in charge
of the police be or the court cases or anything.
Bob Pocras is always good about following those, so maybe
Bob will look in ato that. At some point we
might have run out of time for mine, So if
(42:12):
we have time in the next segment, I'll share those,
but we'll probably revisit some of the ones that I
had coming up next week, and we'll also see what
we missed next On Trackside.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Hi, this is Mark Serkson, and you're listening to Trackside
on ninety three five and one oh seven five to fan.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Okay, final segment of more Tweets, Brian m says, who
do we start lobbying at IndyCar on Fox to broadcast
the five hundred and four K next year? Ohio State
versus Michigan last week? And OSU I you tonight?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Are so the equipment availabled in Fox Sports, it's always different.
I don't that's above my pay grade to know how
that works. I think IMS Productions still provides the trucks
compared to what you're seeing in the NFL or college football,
So I don't think it's as simple as Fox has
it for some events. It has them for all events,
(43:02):
but who knows. I don't know if I would notice
the difference. I don't know if my TV is four
K or not. From Lynn, congratulations to DCR for keeping
his annual tradition of being the last team to complete
its lineup. What percentage do you put on the following
one Daily two, Lenus three, Roman four other driver. M
(43:27):
all right, I'll go.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Other driver thirty percent, Grojan thirty percent, uh Lenis fifteen percent,
and Connor fifteen percent. And I don't know that I
feel that confident about others. I probably should give and I.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Think that added up to one hundred. I think i'd
probably put other driver. I probably should have put that
a little higher.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
I know Grojean was the target, but I don't know
if they found a way to make that happen financially
run the car. And if I'm Roman gro Jean, I'm
not doing this for free. You know, at this point
he's going to need a salary, so that is a
little bit different than some of the other drivers, especially
younger drivers that are going to do it on prospect,
(44:17):
hoping it leads to a better financial situation down the road. Okay,
out of time for tonight. We'll see you next Tuesday
night again at seven o'clock on track side ninety three
five one oh seven five The fan
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