March 9, 2025 • 52 mins
Becky Lucas is one of Australia's favourite comedians. She knows how to disarm a crowd with her endearing humour and quick wit as she tries to express how she really feels about the state of the world.
In 2023 when Becky was pregnant, she went in for a routine scan and found out that her baby had a complex heart condition that would require open heart surgery.
On top of the regular anxiety that follows the birth of a new baby, she was dealing with cardiologist appointments and constant fears about his health. Amongst the utter joy of getting to know her beautiful baby George, there were so many dark days where she didn’t feel like life could ever be good again.
Since George underwent surgery, doctors have said his heart looks pristine and he's a happy and healthy, thriving baby. Becky will worry about him forever, as every parent does, but she's going to do her best to hold that anxiety in and let him live his life as a normal kid.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Matthew, how would you describe parenting? It is hell?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh my god. It is painful, it is exhausting, it's relentless.
But can I also have to say I love my kids,
love my kids. It's great. Wouldn't change for the world,
but it's it's a world of hell.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Well said Well.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Comedian Becky Lucas would explain it probably the same, but
she loves it.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
At least I'm not alone Becky Lucas, she is one
of Australia's favorite comedians.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yes, she was the first Australian female comedian to feature
on Conan O'Brien.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I think the worst thing about your parents getting divorce
is that they move into two different houses and then you,
as the kid, has to move from house to house.
I remember being little thinking why can't I stay here?
And you guys move to me, and I'm like, why
am I five years old learning how to roll my
socks to fit more room in the suitcase because dad
kiss a woman at a party. Now I get there,
he's like, oh, you forgot your toothbrush. I'm like, dull,
(00:52):
you forgot your wedding bells?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And it's quite an achievement. Now, Becky, she is a
mum and boy. It is tough, but it is also
one of the best things in the world. Gosh, Becky
and I were so alike. We're soight wh're is the
same person? Both hilarious? Right Ash?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Oh yeah? Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Parenting for Becky has been a bit of a roller
coaster since a son was born. Little George was born
with a heart condition that meant that we have to
go to open heart surgery before his first birthday. Becky
feels like those early days of motherhood were robbed from her.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Look.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It can be tough for a comedian to share a
vulnerable story of their life, but this is one that
is incredibly heartfelt and we're so thankful that Becky felt
comfortable to share the story with us today.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Yeah, let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Welcome back to two doting dads and one doting mum.
I am Maddie, Jane, I'm Ash and I'm Becky.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Lucas nailed your own name.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Sorry for stuffing up the intro.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I think it shows a sense of fun. We're all
This is.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
A podcast all about parenting, Becky. It is the good,
it is the bad, and the relatable. And if you
come for advice, not us, not now, not never, but
maybe from you.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Maybe, uh huh.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
We just have to put that there legally, okay, trouble okay,
but you're allowed to give advice if you've got some.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Now, my question was yeah, and I hate to be
so goddamn cliche.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Hey, don't overthink it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But you're from Brisbane. I'm from Brisbane. You asked before
if I went to Marris what school did you go to?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I went to Brisbane State High What does that mean?
So you're a don't you I'm not an athlete. I
just lived in the catchment.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Because a comedian. Yeah, I was like, I heard comedy
is going to be in the Olympics. Well it was.
It was break dancing, but we're going to have it
in the next Olympics. No, I made it up.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Come on, Jesus, the jungle has fried? You are you
seem like so we allowed to mention the jungle.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It was televised. It's over I know.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
But what I feels like sensitive, he's just like sensitive
about his time.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Still I'm coming to terms of like what just happened.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
He still has the night terrorists during the day there
and be like.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The bathroom for one second, come out crying and I'm like,
did you do the post?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I feel like every time there's a celebrity that goes
into the jungle, they always do a post being like
we saw these amazing leopards and like, did you do that?
I did, because I just feel like every celebrity has
to pretend like, yeah, like I was in there for this,
but also the amazing leopards and.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Your friend goes away for like a month and like, yes,
I lived in London for a month.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, South Africa for like a month.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
In my defense, I took the kids on the safari
and they saw actually there was two cheaters who just
killed an antelope. Oh my god, and the thing was.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Like so speaking that local language.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And this thing was so mangled. It was so mangled,
and the kids were like, my kids are five and four,
like what's wrong with it. I was like, it's just sleeping.
And then these two cheaters are gnawing at it and.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
They're like make it stop, and I was, my god,
it's a jungle massage.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I did see a couple of zebra.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Try.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I feel like we sometimes try to get a bit
of a read on our guests.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Maybe you'll never know me, you will never know. You
can try, you can try, but you'll never know me.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Did you ever get suspended from school?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yes, but I will say this, it was an in
school suspension. Yeah, I know, I know, but it's really
smart because if you get suspended, you're just at home
with all your things. But in school suspension you just
had to sit outside the office for five days.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Like medieval times. Being on show, you're like one of
those things too.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Like a hanniballeto mask, and I got it for smoking
cigs in the toilet, Yeah, which is funny. It'd be
funny if someone put a sig through the hannibal leto mask.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Give a hip. What was your thinking behind smoking cigarettes
in the toilet?
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Just actually liked cigarettes? Yeah, My thinking was like I
like to do this, and I'm going to do this.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Was it the little lunch or the big lunch?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
It might have even been like during class.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Nice you have.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
It's kind of funny because it's not even like, oh,
this naughty thing we're planning to do. I'm like just
actually stressed out from class and need my little genuinely
stressed out.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And then how did you get caught?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I was stopped on I actually can't remember bridge it with.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
My I honestly, I didn't think you would have been
type of person.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, I was smoking. It was more that's the only
time he was suspended.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I think, So there were other times where it was
like threatened or whatever. But yeah, I was like, I
wouldn't say I was a naughty kid, but I did
get swept up in the moment.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, who was the disciplinary one at hunt? Who have parents?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Thank you for actually bringing that up. Okay, I guess
I guess my fractured home life kind of contributed to Yeah,
it's like but disciplinary. I don't know, Like I guess
both my parents were disciplinarian in a way. But there
(07:07):
is something about them being separated where you never truly
have to answer to anyone too much, Like you can
always stories can be you know, you can kind of
play parents. Yeah, Like if I was ever in trouble,
I could always just gossip about Dad to mom. You know,
She's like, where on your homework? I'm like, I don't know,
but do you know what Dad said the other He said,
(07:29):
this is a really weird thing, and she's interested. So
I could always which I think kind of is bad.
Like I do think I gossip a lot now because
I grew up being able to yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Dad's good and your girlfriend yeah yeah, quickly change.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
That will always be a bit interested in a tidbit
of your life.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I'll blame having an older sister from my last gossip. Yeah,
I'm like, guess, guess what, ash you do love gossip?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
There's always something, you know how evolutionary things always get
people out of bad behavior, like I don't know, you'll
you'll or something like, well, gossip was actually an evolutionary
tool because it was the collition of the information about
the mob and the tribe and you were just trying
to like survive, and it's like not used a piece
of shit, but you can like use these things like oh,
(08:15):
it's actually about survival. It's because I'm a woman and
gossip's my only tool in the tribe.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
And before they had.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Delivered thing, they just gossiped its way like Chinese whispers
the next person.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, let's get back on track.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Okay, sorry, I am a mother. Let's get more into Yah.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
So your son is currently with your sister.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, my sister Hannah, who's twenty two, and she's awesome,
but yeah, she we drove here and the windscreen wipers
were on the whole time and she just didn't notice.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Oh fuck, like she just.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah, she's kind of she was awesome, but like saying,
she just doesn't Yeah, she's not aware.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Between you and her, like, yeah, not to point that out, sorry,
but she's quite young.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
And I'm quite.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Going back to the divorce parents, is this?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, second family? I'm Sorryron, simply two half two half
eas Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
That's enough of that. That's enough questioning for me. I
just want to get the whole picture.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Okay, what else do you want to do?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'm sorry for Ash, That's okay, that's all right, He's uh,
I get it, take it away, keep going.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I was going to say, okay, so why't.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Ask about the parents, the divorce parents. I want to
know about about Chris, my boyfriend. Yes, okay, what do
you want to know?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
What did you meet?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
We met at a party through a friend. What it was.
He was having a party at his house.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
He was having the party you just said a party,
not his party.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
It was his party. And I was with some friends
actually the boys from the Buttuda Advocate and my friend
Lovely Boys, my friend, my friend Dixie I just arrived
and at first sight for me maybe and Chris, what
do you think, he's just really hot. It's a bit
of acause mostly that it's a power play as well.
It's his house, his party. Yeah, he's got the upper hand,
(10:14):
do you reckon? I kind of think arriving to the
party is a bit of upper hand. I think hosting
a party in a very weak position really a little
bit because you're worrying about how the party is going
to go, your toilets being people taking big dumps, ship
people are doing it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You walked down and you like took a big ship
in the hay.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I'm in control, I have the upper hand. Don't go
in there.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
You kind of think like it's my party, I got
pick of the birds.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
But then that is true, that is true. I think
you could make a case either way. I think there
is a vulnerability in having a party because like if
it's a if it's a failure, that's embarrassing and people
are kind of using your house just however they want,
and you're the one that has to be like, guys,
can you not get there?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You have to be a bit a bit of a
sort of what's the word anal attentive.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, i'd I can't do I can't host events.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Because I'm just yet. It's just too anxious, and you're
worried about who's talking to who and who's having a
good time, and like, I'm just out of my mind
the whole time.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Who was spearheading the conversation about starting a family?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah, isn't it mostly the woman? I feel like men don't.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
It's a good question.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Men don't know that they want it until it happens.
Like he was very like, he was like, yeah, it'd
be cool, and then I sort of pushed it down
the track. And then even like when I was pregnant,
like he was obviously excited and everything, but it felt
like he went but I made all the decisions about
what prem we're getting. I could really barely get him.
(11:52):
But I do feel like, yeah, he didn't care about
all of that stuff or maybe couldn't conceptualize it. And
then as soon as the baby was in front of him,
it was like, which you guys probably remember that feeling
of like can't really conceptualize and then it's there and
he just could not stop crying. Really, and he's not
(12:13):
a crier at all. He was crying so much, Like
our baby had to go to nick You for a
few days because he inhaled a lot of liquids and
he was okay, like he was stable and everything, Like
he was really just there for monitoring. And my boyfriend
cried so much that the nurse in nick You was like, hey, man,
(12:36):
are you okay? It's like the place where the most
crying happens. He still was crying more than anyone. Yeah,
Like he just could not believe happiness, like absolutely overwhelmed
by the love, and ever since then has been so
much more involved than any Like, you know, we can
(12:58):
talk for so long about like, oh, I think we
should buy this type of food and I think this
and he looked like he's pooh. Was like he just
went from being yeah, I couldn't get him really interested
to yeah, that's all we talk about. He's obsessed.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
That's the dream though, right, But you would want that
as opposed to you being like, can you please just
change an happy?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah? No, he's the best, dat he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Where do you think that reluctance came from?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Just I just think I don't know. I mean, I
think it's kind of a cultural thing. Like people are
very anti natalist, you know, Like I do think there's
a bit of anti baby sentiment in the air, and
I don't know what came first. I'm like, is it
because it's harder for people to is it the breakdown
of society where it's like people aren't earning enough money
(13:42):
to have a baby, or like they're not you know,
it's harder to meet a life partner, and so you
just kind of take on this attitude of like babies.
I don't know, I do feel like there's a bit
of that.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I think it's a bit of a there's two sides
that there's one side of people being like it is amazing,
like it's life changing, I have purpose, and the other
side where it's like rule my life. Yeah I can't
do anything anymore.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
But like both like every day I'm like this is fucked,
and then I'm in the same day I'm I've never
smiled more in my life, Like it's just the joy
is crazy. But it's every day I'm like, what have
I done?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Is wrong?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
It is you know we were talking about this before
where it's like like you can't truly love something all
the time.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
No, You're like, yeah, you're like, oh.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
This is amazing, and then you're like then they like
smash a glass off the thing, and you're like.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, totally absolutely, but it's such an exercise. And like, like,
I had a friend the other day who doesn't want kids,
and he was talking about how he took all day
to make a sandwich and I was I had just
had no sleep and it was just so like just
to get to this place where we were going heading
(15:00):
up for a gig, it was just so much, baby,
and I'm like struggling, hunched over zips, like just your
whole day so hard. And he said, like he was
describing making this sandwich all day and then he kind
of was like, oh, sorry because he knows how hard
my day is. But in my mind, I'm like, no,
don't be sorry, Like I'm I love even though it's
(15:23):
I was complaining. I love doing this for my son. Yeah,
and like I get to see him, like I saw
him see a rainbow for the first time, and it's
like it's all worth it.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
It's like watch my son see a rainbow for the
first time and that moment, or make a sandwich all day.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Like yeah, yeah, it sounded pretty good. Actually, but yeah,
it is. It's a funny, it's yeah. I guess it's
also designed perfectly, like because before you do it, you
just don't know how good it is. So like people
who haven't done it or don't want to do it,
(16:00):
they'll never feel that. So it's kind of good.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yeah, you don't know what you don't know. But yeah,
it is fucked for pregnant, like not as easy as
I assumed. Maybe I think we tried like five months.
Oh wow, so yeah, like I thought it would be boom,
but five months. It's not as long. I know, like
other people have that much.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, will you spend your twenties trying not to get
pressured exactly and then when you try and get pregnant
like oh wow, this is actually.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, I've had a lot of common Why is this
not taking? They always made it out like like just
one of them was gonna be like and I'm like, well.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Millions, it's sort of like if you're throwing off ship
at the wall, something's going to stick, right, That's what comes.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I'm imagining Betty just like covered in like sick, Something's
going to stick.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah, Chris, is there like nothing else.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Like Matt from the Jungle.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
When Chris found out, was he on board or was Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Like immediately was really happy. But I just think before
then didn't have the drive that I did, Like, wasn't
as alongside me as I would have wanted. But I
just I don't know whether it was hormonal or whatever,
but I was like, it's happening, and I just knew
he'd love it once he did it.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, was it an easy pregnancy.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
It was physically, but we had a like we had
a pretty hectic time. At my seventeen week scan, it
was actually it was earlier. I maybe had an earlier
scan at like fourteen weeks. So I'm really bad at talking, seriously,
I feel it's a new skill to like talk earnestly, Like,
(17:57):
especially as a comedian, you just always want to get laughed.
So you're like, oh, they accept me, so to speak
covered and come exactly, and then you laugh and I'm like, Okay,
everything's all good, and now I have to be earnest
and no. So at my fourteen week scan, the lady
sort of couldn't see all of the heart, but she
didn't seem worried. She was like, oh, it's just really
(18:19):
small and he's in a weird position. So come back
in a few weeks. So I didn't think anything of it.
That my GP was like, that's normal. So I went
back at seventeen weeks like happy as Larry. Everything up
until then had been perfect, perfect, perfect, So I just
never thought anything of it. And then she was doing
the scan and this lady wasn't saying anything, and I
(18:42):
was like, can you see what you're looking for? And
she said, oh, I think I can. I'm just going
to get the obstetrician to talk to you. And so
then it was just like like the worst feeling I've
I actually haven't talked about his phages but and so
then I got put into a little room for fifteen
minutes by myself, and the obstetrician walked in and just
(19:04):
pushed the tissues towards me. You're kidding, yeah, And she
said it's not good news, and I started crying, and
she basically started describing what it was, but never kind
of got into like you just want information, Like I
was like, so does this what does this mean? Like
am I so we have to terminate it or whatever?
(19:26):
And she said, we just don't know she's actually quite
strange as an obstitution, Like this lady. She because when
I was crying, she goes, Oh my god, she goes,
this is actually the worst part of my job.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I was like yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I was like, okay, sorry, why do we.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Do the best? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Right, So she was like, he has this thing called
I suspect he has this thing called Tetralogy of Fallow.
And it's I know, it's called Tetralogy of Fallow.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
The things I know.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I wish it was more simple because no one can
remember it. It sounds like a JR. Tolkien novel or something,
but it's it's like there's four things that have gone
wrong with the heart, so they only need to correct too,
and that's the whole, and there's the valve. But the
(20:22):
thing is it can be a sign of other abnormalities.
So I didn't know whether I was going to have
what he had had genetic abnormalities, and we would have
to terminate at like twenty weeks, which would have been
so horrible anyway, So we went in at twenty weeks
and had everything done and they were like, no, he's
actually completely healthy and normal except for this thing. And
(20:43):
they said it was actually funny because a lot of
like I got a lot of comfort from the women
who were like, it's okay, darling, everything's going to be fine.
We have so many kids who come in with this
gets fixed. And I liked that kind of caring, feminine reassurance.
Whereas my boyfriend, who's half Chinese, doesn't like all of
that very fairy talk. And he loved the doctor because
(21:03):
the doctor was this Chinese guy, this little guy called
doctor guy, and he just looked at it and he said,
we can fix, we can fix, and he's like, it's fine,
I fix all the time. It's fine outset. Yeah, And
like my boyfriend like enjoyed a Chinese man who knows
what he's talking about, like assuring us of and so, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
At least you had both ends of the spectrum, like
you have your self touch of the you had like
the firmness of the Chinese doctor.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
So totally everyone's covered. Yeah, And so they do. They
f it's kind of their bread and butter surgery. There's
literally today would be two three kids right now at
Westmead getting it done. It's like something that they'd fix
a lot, but it is something that to fix, to
fixate its open heart surgery. Yeah on a baby.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, sorry, baby, not a child.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
And so this is all happened like so this is
before I've had the baby. So they're all very confident
and like we fix it all the time. And they
make me feel like, you know, back to the pregnancy,
just you know, he's healthy and like we'll fix it
and these are all the steps. But you know, I'm
reading things online and there's a big spectrum and there's
people who've had a really terrible time with it. But
(22:17):
I also think you have to remember when you're reading
stuff online, the sort of person who posts in online
forums is a very anxious person usually, do you know
what I mean? Like, so, yeah, anyway, so I just
tried to be positive and stuff, and then I had
the baby and it's suddenly like, oh, they're going to
do this to my baby. And so that then became
(22:38):
like I had been quite positive and like it's fixable,
blah blah blah, and then suddenly it was like, but
what if it's not and what if something goes wrong?
And then I had this little baby?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
How long until they have the surgery?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
So they didn't know. So the heart kind of takes
a little while to settle when the baby's born, Like
there's a few little vowels and stuff that open and
shut just in general, so they just had to see
how it all settled and then keep an eye on it,
and then they would decide based on how much oxygen
he's getting and everything. So when he was born, they
(23:13):
said probably around in six months. We had a surprise
hospital visit. They can go blue. They go blue when
the valve gets constricted, and it can happen like if
they're having a big crying fit or whatever. So that
just added because they cry. So when he would cry,
like normal people are freaking out, but I'm freaking out
because I'm worried he's going to go blue. So like
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all of my anxieties were just so heightened. But then
I also had a really normal experience, like whenever I
talk to other mums, we were dealing with the same thing,
but I just had such an extra worry. And then
we had a hospital stay that was unexpected. He had
a blue spell during one of his checkups and then
it was suddenly like we're getting rushed to Westmead Hospital
(23:58):
and we were there for a week. And I don't
know if you've ever been on a ward with a child,
It's just like I had a little You have to
put them to sleep, and there's six other babies screaming,
and then it's a nightmare and the nurses come in,
so you just I just get him to sleep, and
then the nurse would come in and take his blood
pressure and he'd wake up screaming, and I'd get him settled,
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and another baby would wake up screaming, and I just
didn't sleep for the entire I felt like I was
in hell. There was a woman next to me and
her little girl, Huffsa. She had a little girl and
she was coming down off she'd just had heart surgery
and she was recovering and she was in delirium. So
her little girl screamed for like twenty three hours of
twenty four hours. They couldn't do anything, and then they
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and then there's like hell, yeah, and that happened to
my son as well.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I've never heard never I know that.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yeah, Well, hope that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, I get like, like for them to scream, do
they explore what, like why they screamed so much?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
They just so not all of them.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Get screaming delirium. My son went cross eyed, which was
actually I'm laughing now, but I it wasious, like it
was fucked. I was so upset because no one knew
what was going on either. They were like, we don't
really know why he's doing that. We can do a
brain scan tomorrow, and I'm like, please don't talk about
We've just done the heart. I know, because the whole
(25:25):
time it's been like, you know, with the brain, that's
that's very scary. It so seems so unknown. But with
the heart, like even though it's horrific, it's a pump,
like it's mechanical. They can fix it. Like my midwife
would always say, like he's got a pumbing issue, but
we can fix it. And that kind of calmed me down,
is there?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
And this is like a confronting question, So apologies to
ass but you know, you think all the feedback you're
getting from the medical staff is that this is fixable
and this is not something that we haven't dealt with before,
we have experience here. But at the same time, open
heart surgery is full on in your head. Are you
also trying to manage expectations of like I wanted to
(26:06):
go well, but things might not work out. I know,
where's your head at? Leading into that five months.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I was just so mental because yeah, it's like how
do you love? I loved this thing that I felt
also like he could be taken from me, and like
they would talk about, you know, they have to tell
you what they're going to do in the surgery and
I never wanted to be told, but you know, they
have to break his sternum and his blood is outside
(26:33):
of his body, he's they stop his heart as a
five month old like this, and he was you know,
I know everyone thinks their baby special, but like he
just is so full of life and so happy, and
like I couldn't. Yeah, there was. It was very tough
because I felt like I had to confront his death
(26:54):
all the time. Like I just felt like every day
I had to think, like every time he smiled or
did something, I was like, you might die. And it
almost made me scared of him, like like I was
scared of his weakness. And I also think other people
were were a little bit too, because we always It's
like when people talked about him, they always said like,
look how strong he is it, look how big and
(27:16):
tough he is, And it was almost like are we
saying this? Because to love him being weak, it's like,
can we not love him as a weak baby? Like, yeah,
he has to show how strong he is in every
other way, do you know what I mean? And I like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
For you to be like, well, it's like everything's okay,
and it's like it's not.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
And even like when he was recovering from the open
heart surgery, he didn't recover as quickly as they had predicted.
He actually caught COVID somehow during operation or just after,
and yeah, so he was under sedation for longer and
it was a scary time, but the doctors and the
nurses were like, it's okay, he's recovered ring Like he's
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taking his time, and he's recovering at the pace he
needs to. He doesn't have to recover perfectly, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Like everyone recovers from yeah, and that includes a five
month old baby totally.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
And I think, yeah, we had had this whole narrative
of like, oh, he's so tough, he's going to kick
surgery and the balls, and like it's actually like it's
actually okay that he didn't and he's still lovable. So yeah,
it was a very tough time. Like I was it
was weird because yeah, in so many ways I had
a you know, he was a normal baby, and but
(28:33):
I just could not enjoy it in the same way.
And I like, really, it feels like life has started now.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yes, so the lead up to the surgery, not knowing
when it's going to happen, I suppose they.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Said yes, but then we did lock it in. Okay,
So after that hospital stay that the surgeon was like,
let's just lock it in. We'll do it. And the
lead up is just I mean, I lost my mind.
I was just like I would walk around crying, weeping
in public, like I don't know you, I just it
was just so sad. So I'm going to cry. It's
(29:07):
so funny that I was talking about being having come
but yeah, it's it's like a it's oh my god,
it's embarrassing. I mean, yeah, obviously it's a sad topic.
But he's really good now, Like he's really he's really strong.
He's actually already.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Lifting other than you waiting for surgery or is it normal?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Like everything is well?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
They tell me, like they they're like, yeah, he can
do everything. He needs to check up every year for
the rest of his life and he will need when
he's older, like when he goes through puberty, they will
need to put another valve in. That's the main thing.
But the surgeon seems to think that they won't have
to do open heart again, that they can do most
of these things via catheter. So I'll always worry, like
(30:01):
I'll just always freak out. And he's so active and
sometimes I'm like, just chill, chill. Yeah, i just want
him to be a ballet dancer or something. I wanted
to be athletic, but like not contact sport. Yeah, And
I'm just scared that he was going to want to
play rugby. And because there's a fame that you do know,
Sean White, the Olympic snowboarder, he has tetralogy A fellow
(30:25):
really yeah, so he needed like three open heart surgeries.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Before the age of five, flying in the air like
twenty feet out of our heart.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yeah. And like he you know, did football and like
they can definitely do apparently whatever other kid does.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I will not tell George that George reading.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah, I'm like, You're going to just live with mummy,
Like you.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Know, when you go through that traumatic experience as a
parent and you come out the other end. And we
spoke before about the fact that parenting is amazing, but
those are moments are matched with moments where it's exhausting,
it's relentless, it's so bloody hard. Do you ever get
guilt your life?
Speaker 4 (31:10):
You know?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I thought I might lose you.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, and you're pissing me on Yeah, yeah, totally. And
then and then that's even harder because I'm like, I'm
not even allowed to have the normal experience of being
pissed off at your kids. Yeah, it does feel like
I was it almost the different ways in which I
feel I've been robbed emerge like I don't even I
(31:34):
wasn't even prepared, Like he's he's not a great sleeper,
but only because we are. You know, for the first
six months of his life, they said, don't let him
cry too much because he might go blue and lose oxygen.
And then he has his heart fixed, and they're like, yep,
he's good. His heart's like fixed. You can let him
scream his head off, but that's a very hard thing
(31:54):
for us to do.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
We don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
So because of that, he just runs rings around us,
like we just do whatever he wants, like yeah, which
you know, probably isn't good for him. Like, I know
that I need to teach him to sleep, and that
will require me like dealing with my own anxiety around
his health for his own sake. But that's just really
(32:19):
hard to do. And yeah, I just feel angry sometimes
that I can't even do I can't do that, Like,
but yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Don't know what does a sleep team look like for
you guys?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Well, just he does what he wants. We kind of
cater to that, and no, we tried to. You know,
he has his stories and his toys and stuff. We're
slowly getting him to learn to fall asleep without the boob.
But I fed to sleep just for every Yeah, it's easy,
(32:53):
and you know, I'm like, he's been through so much,
Like I'll give him some titty, Yeah, given the boob
when they love it, it's like who am I to
take it from him? And you can always find someone
to justify it.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
But I think every parent. We have another friend who's
got a baby that doesn't sleep, and the dad is like,
I just can't if the baby's sleeping, Like I've just
got to go in there, and you know that you're
doing a disservice to the baby. But You're like, we
used to rock Marley to sleep every single nap she
had and then transition into a car like we were.
(33:26):
We gave her like a life of pure luxury and
so then when it was time for her to like
fend for herself, she was like, yeah, you've You've held
my hand every step of the way, and now you
can let go.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Transition is like it's like handling an explosive.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
You're like, and you start hating any sound like yeah,
the I'm like, if I had a gone, I would
have shot a bunch of dogs, like or like someone's
doing repairs in the building. I'm like, oh, you're you're
plumbing just had to be fixed.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Like my daughter, or like maybe my daughter was having
a nap and it would be like the neighbor hated this.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I reckon. She just drilled on purpose. I get a call,
I'm going to go over there.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I'm like, go on, Yeah, I was like, it gets
so psycho. I was laughing the other day. I mean,
I'm still in it. Like but with my family. We
went to visit my family over Christmas and I was
inside having a nap with George, just got him to sleep.
He was in a really good nap, and there was
a freak do you know what a whirlyworli is? It
(34:33):
was like a mini tornado. Yeah, a freak whirly whirly
whipped through my parents seriously, and it lifted all the
lawn furniture in the air and a big umbrella and
my stepmom tried to grab it and she got all lifted. Seriously,
(34:57):
she nearly died. Everyone's screaming and I'm in the room
and I come out and I'm like, he just got
to sleep.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
So's it's funny how like psychotic you get, like because
I know that, like.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, that it's so precious, especially like a nap. The
naps in the day sets you up for what your
night's going to fucking you think.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
It does, and it's like does it? It does, and
you're like, we have to get on the schedule again, and.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Then there's just like one noise.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
He's like, for god, I know, yeah, And you have
no control over anything that you think if you can
control nap time and weak windows and stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
But my parents were over the other day and both
kids have been like didn't up all day. It was
like a really big day for them. My parents came
in the late afternoon. So they're excited again because my
parents are there, and then they go after sleep. My
dad's such a gone death, I reckon, so allowed to Yeah,
every five minutes, I'm like.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Shut and he's like, we here to visit you. I'm like,
I wish I did it. Now they're away again.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
It's like they punish you, the parents, like they like
seeing us in turmoil.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Oh for sure, for sure. I mean they're like, we've
done it, now.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
You've got it, and they think we're insane, Like I
think they just put us down when we were tired
and they just didn't follow all this stuff, or as
we're like, we actually need five hours before bedtime in
order to get the sleep.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Pressure to see everyone thinks sleep, everyone think about being
and then.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
They're looking at Chris and being like, wow, he's such
a great father, he's so hands on.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Yeah, I guess so, I think there's a bit of
that reluctant. I don't know what they're thinking. I think
I think I'm such a psycho that they're mostly focused
on I'm still mental. I reckon, if you can't.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Tell you.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I haven't picked up, just come out of the jungle.
So you do.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
You think I'm coming off the back of April being
mental for so many years and it's completely I feel like,
it's so it's so normal to be like, we're all
so hyper sensitive in that moment, your way, in the
absolute thick of it has got nothing on that you
remember that you're.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Like people, people who are in the first years amazing, amazing,
But there was also the.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Hell it's like we also we joke a lot. Is
like I don't remember, we don't remember. You forget all
about this until you have another one, and then you
forget all about it all over again.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, I mean. And also it's like, but I love it,
like I'm in hell, but I love it. And it's
hard to.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Explain that you have produced is like trying to understand
it doesn't no parents when you're like, it's hell, but
I've like, but I'm I've acclimatized to it. Yeah, I'm
used to it, and I've got a comfy seat.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
It becomes you're like, it becomes like your whole hobby,
your whole life. You'rely and this I actually don't can't
see it any other way anymore.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I know, And I feel like it's a like you
you're passing on. Like not having kids for me felt
a bit like refusing to have your turn in tiggy,
you know, like the kids, yeah are actually like I'm like,
I've come down an ancestral line of like, you know,
I've got a pretty interesting family, like we all do.
(38:44):
But like my dad's family, his mum was Aboriginal, his
dad was Russian. You know, it's just hectic. And it's
just like women for so long have just been like
squatting out kids in absurd circumstances, so difficult, and it's
just so funny for me to be in like bed
(39:05):
ordering uber eats, like no, I don't think I can
do it.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Strategy like don't knock, don't look me in the eyes.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Like my my grandfather's indigenous and he was one of fourteen.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Yeah fuck did his mum do fourteen? And we've got
like two and we're like, don't wake them up?
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Yeah exactly. And it just felt like it like it's
my turn and I just had to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I don't know, how are you finding doing it in
regards to work.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
It's in some ways it's really good because I used
to be so neurotic about putting you know, like I'm
going to try this new joke and I get really
doubt if it didn't work or whatever, and now it's
like fuck it. Like I'm quite free of mind. Like
I go, I'm doing bedtime, dinner time, it's bath and
then I have to get in a like uber and
go to a gig and I just have to try it.
(39:55):
And I think that kind of I don't give a
fuck attitude is like helpful.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, as your material change them, it.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Has Yeah, but then you also have a lot of
time to think about stuff like I'm lying there with
this during nap time, and you have like time to
be a bit you know, I can write, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
The things that you didn't maybe, like you might just
be walking down the street with your baby and you're
like okay, and then you get home and you're like, okay,
I'm waiting for the baby to wake up. Way, I'm
observing things that happened different now.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Yeah, And you're also just rooted in, you know, humanity
a bit more Like when I talk to Uber drivers now,
it's like we're both like I love my kids. It's
like I fucking love my kid, and it's like you're
all the other day was at the airport in Coffs
Harbor and I saw this mom and it was so
cute her little her girl was coming to Sydney and
she had her little Sydney outfit on, like oh you know,
(40:47):
little Ara and William's boots and she.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Had a little backpack Sydney.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Yeah, it's just so excited and the mom, you know,
you could see her saying goodbye to her and it's like, oh,
you know. And I really felt that, like, oh my god,
they grow up and then they leave and I just
might not have ever observed that before and understood. It's
like you you see what roots people to or like
binds them to the earth, like why they work, why
(41:12):
they do these things, like.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
You do it no greater purpose?
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Yeah, and you just love and it's fun to show
a new human being how to enjoy the world. Like
I just think about my son's the experiences he gets
will will have in his life, like just even I
don't know, waking up on a nice morning and smelling
like a nice smell, and I think about him doing that.
(41:36):
It makes me happy.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
The first Yeah, just.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
New things like trying to get on their level too,
with seeing something for the first time, like when as
adults when I'm like, fucking look that you imagine.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Like everything everything dropping acid all day and then we're
like go to sleep, go to sleep where.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I just want to rainbow. You just tell me a
fucking rainbow.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
You like, go to sleep now.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Anything?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Is it hard to work at the same pace, like
at the moment I laid fringes on, Yeah, speaking to
other comedians and they'll do like consecutive shows like ten, fifteen,
twenty shows back to back.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah, and you're probably talking to the men doing it
as well, which is very different. Like I don't actually
not to be like I'm the only because I'm not.
But I don't know many women who've I'm still breastfeeding
and stuff. I don't really know women who've gone back
to it in this way. And I'm actually a bit nervous,
to be honest, Like I'm excited to do the show
and I hope that it's good and people like it,
(42:42):
but I'm really scared to do it. Then you can't
like when I've done Adelaide and Melbourne. You know, you
do your show and then you go home and you
think about what worked and didn't work, and you can
really like put that time into it and I just can't.
I mean I can. I'll have to find ways to
do that to keep my little human alive exactly. It's
(43:03):
just that there will be balancing and.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
I hope that's okay, you'll take him.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Yeah. So luckily Chris has been able to take time
off work so I can tour and stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Wow, OK, yeah cool.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Yeah, I know. Crazily I'm the bread winner and I'm
a comedian. It's like not, it's not normal. I remember
when I realized I needed money to It's a really
crazy but I realized. I was at the Now salon
and this rich woman was talking to me and I said, oh, yeah,
(43:36):
I'm thinking about having a baby. We started talking and
she said, oh, what do you do? And I said
I'm a comedian and she went and she said what
does your partner do? And I said he's a social worker,
and she went like she could not hide her disdain.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
You're working in like I don't know, as an avatar
or like killing animals entertain people.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah, an avatar at least has a regular paycheck.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
You're a frustration a dead animal.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I think the work is admirable.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
On your side.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
I don't think she meant it was not admirable. I
think she was just like, what are you going to
do for money? You have a it's not a real
thing to do. And she's not wrong.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
You're proving her, proving her wrong.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
That's true. That's true. I have done well And if
people just want to keep buying tickets, that would be
really good.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Put some information in the show notes.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Definitely, Yeah, please.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Or two questions. Okay, I know that it's still early days,
like you're still with a newborn, so maybe way too
premature to ask this question, but will you go a second? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (44:53):
I would love to. I feel like it would be
very healing to go through the process and hopefully not
have something go, you know, the health thing or fucked
if it happens again. It's not a gen anything, it's
just a freak accident. But I would love to. I
just don't know how. We don't have family in town.
It feels like we're just handballing him back and forth.
(45:14):
We haven't nanny once a week. Day Care could be
life changing, and it is. I used to be like
no daycare, and now I'm like, what about daycare?
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Honestly, I think like I think we waited.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
We waited till Marley was like definitely beyond twelve months. Yeah,
we put her in for a couple of days a
week and we just, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Don't know yourself.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Yeah, I'm thinking eighteen months two days a week.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
We change.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
We forget that.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
It's like the stimulation that they get to like it
might be like feel like I'm just off boarding.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
It's to someone else, but they have so much.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Yeah, new toys, and he does come alive with other people,
like he gets bored of me and then loves. He'll
be grizzly and then we go out and he's like weaving.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
And everyone and then just do so much with Yeah.
It's you know, and there's other kids doing the same ship.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
So I think I am thinking the waiting lists in
Sydney are pretty extreme.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
So we're just going to add to totally.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
I should I think once I have a little and
you know, once he gets at the moment, we're just
still definitely in the trenches of like totally it's just
physically hard.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah, but you mentioned we handball, Yeah, and it's every
couples doing the same thing. We're like, you know, like
you taking for now and get some rare a lot
of families going through all that. But when you when
you have two, it does become a bit more difficult.
But then they sort of go together.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
I know, and you kind of need you need. You
can't play a ball game without four people. You kind
of need two kids, two adults for family holidays.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
You can't play with three. But it's a bit ship.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
Yeah, it is a bit and the dynamics wrong. It
has to be two kids ganging up on the parents totally.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yeah, it's even then.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, I've got my nieces.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
She's an only child child, and I think there will
be the case. So I'm just like reluctant.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Oh no, I mean I'm an only child technically.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Winning thoughts and prayers with winning.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
Yeah, I'm an only child technically, but I do have
two half sisters, but you know, we didn't grow up together,
so I very much identify as an only child.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, my kids, like they just bicker.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, we will caveat that. Previous conversation is the only
children are great, and they are fantastic.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
I think they are cameras. I think they take on
a lot. As an only child, you take on like
you're very aware of your parents' son. Am makers when
you have a sibling, you're in your own Yeah, And
I do get sad sometimes because I think there is
no one in the entire world who knows what it's
like to have my mum. No one, you know, you
(47:53):
can know her, but no one will know what it's
like to be raised.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Whereas now with half sisters, we can talk about my
dad or whatever. And that is a novel experience to
have other people, Yeah, being parented by my dad, whereas yeah,
where are you going with this? Is this just going
a trail off?
Speaker 2 (48:18):
I don't know if the sort of picked up a
bust is.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Like listen, Nick Cody was a lot more.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
One more question and I have for you, Becky, when
George is all grown up, yes he's no longer living
at home. If that time does come, who knows is
the one thing you would want him to remember about
the house that he grew up in.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
I just want him to remember like comfort and like
nice moments which his dad's really good at making, like
he really he knows, like Saturday morning, let's make pancakes
and put nice music on, and like coziness is such
a nice thing. And I also want him to feel
understand good I want him to feel like, well, we've
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really listened to him and made the effort to like
understand where he's coming from and his life. And yeah,
I don't know. My parents can never remember my friend's names,
and I find that so frustrating. And it's like, I
just want to remember everything about his life, even if
he finds it over Mary. I want to be an
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overbearing mom.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I do.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
I think it's nice.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
I've really spoken for an hour, but it sounds to
me like you are a great mom and you have
a great partner who's also a great dad. So well done.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Thanks, thank you, that's really nice.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Thank you for spending some time with us.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
Loved it, didn't I didn't know. I actually really love
hanging out.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
With you guys. Thank you. Any chat about calm I'm
all about.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
I was a bit nervous, like, yeah, it's weird walking
into someone else's dynamic, but I think we've really got
a long guy's I think just if you want to
analyze how this.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Went, if you can come back anytime, you lie, I
can't come back, was like, can I come back?
Speaker 4 (50:05):
It's also so fun to have permission to speak freely
about parenting because you know, when you are at a
party and you there's people who aren't parents, and then
you are having a parenting chat and someone, a non
parenting person comes over and you're so yeah, you're so
self conscious about how boring you're being. This podcast is
really boring.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Non parents yea. And you can see someone just like.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Slowly, we've a lot of non parent listeners, though not
like some people are like, oh, it's my favorite podcast.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
I have kids.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Man, well you're weird. Love you, Thank you again.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
No, thanks a lot and and goodbye and at a point,
thanks guys, thank you.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Fun fact, we've had two guests that.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Have appeared on Cony Now in this podcast.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Don't tell me who the other person was.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Who was it was?
Speaker 3 (51:11):
It is Nick Cody, Nick Cody and Becky Lucas, which
is great for Australian comedy.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Both absolutely hairy, both absolutely hilarious. And if you found
Becky hilarious, anythink maybe I want to go see her
stand up. We have great news. You can see her
touring a new show. Things have changed, but the essence
remains all around the country. Tickets can be found in
the show notes.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
That's that's an amazing name for a show. I will
just say.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
That I like it very deep, yes, mysterious.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Now, if you're listening, get out there and supporting you mum.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
Let me help her get back to work back on stage.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
And if you've enjoyed this episode, help us say it work.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Just help us please.
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Speaker 1 (52:13):
Until next time.
Speaker 5 (52:14):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Two Doting Dads podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country
throughout Australia and the connections to land, see and community.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
We pay our respects to their elders past and present
and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestraight Islander
peoples today
Matthew, how would you describe parenting? It is hell?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh my god. It is painful, it is exhausting, it's relentless.
But can I also have to say I love my kids,
love my kids. It's great. Wouldn't change for the world,
but it's it's a world of hell.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Well said Well.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Comedian Becky Lucas would explain it probably the same, but
she loves it.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
At least I'm not alone Becky Lucas, she is one
of Australia's favorite comedians.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yes, she was the first Australian female comedian to feature
on Conan O'Brien.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I think the worst thing about your parents getting divorce
is that they move into two different houses and then you,
as the kid, has to move from house to house.
I remember being little thinking why can't I stay here?
And you guys move to me, and I'm like, why
am I five years old learning how to roll my
socks to fit more room in the suitcase because dad
kiss a woman at a party. Now I get there,
he's like, oh, you forgot your toothbrush. I'm like, dull,
(00:52):
you forgot your wedding bells?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And it's quite an achievement. Now, Becky, she is a
mum and boy. It is tough, but it is also
one of the best things in the world. Gosh, Becky
and I were so alike. We're soight wh're is the
same person? Both hilarious? Right Ash?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Oh yeah? Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Parenting for Becky has been a bit of a roller
coaster since a son was born. Little George was born
with a heart condition that meant that we have to
go to open heart surgery before his first birthday. Becky
feels like those early days of motherhood were robbed from her.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Look.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It can be tough for a comedian to share a
vulnerable story of their life, but this is one that
is incredibly heartfelt and we're so thankful that Becky felt
comfortable to share the story with us today.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Yeah, let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Welcome back to two doting dads and one doting mum.
I am Maddie, Jane, I'm Ash and I'm Becky.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Lucas nailed your own name.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Sorry for stuffing up the intro.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I think it shows a sense of fun. We're all
This is.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
A podcast all about parenting, Becky. It is the good,
it is the bad, and the relatable. And if you
come for advice, not us, not now, not never, but
maybe from you.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Maybe, uh huh.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
We just have to put that there legally, okay, trouble okay,
but you're allowed to give advice if you've got some.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Now, my question was yeah, and I hate to be
so goddamn cliche.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Hey, don't overthink it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But you're from Brisbane. I'm from Brisbane. You asked before
if I went to Marris what school did you go to?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I went to Brisbane State High What does that mean?
So you're a don't you I'm not an athlete. I
just lived in the catchment.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Because a comedian. Yeah, I was like, I heard comedy
is going to be in the Olympics. Well it was.
It was break dancing, but we're going to have it
in the next Olympics. No, I made it up.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Come on, Jesus, the jungle has fried? You are you
seem like so we allowed to mention the jungle.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It was televised. It's over I know.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
But what I feels like sensitive, he's just like sensitive
about his time.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Still I'm coming to terms of like what just happened.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
He still has the night terrorists during the day there
and be like.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The bathroom for one second, come out crying and I'm like,
did you do the post?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
I feel like every time there's a celebrity that goes
into the jungle, they always do a post being like
we saw these amazing leopards and like, did you do that?
I did, because I just feel like every celebrity has
to pretend like, yeah, like I was in there for this,
but also the amazing leopards and.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Your friend goes away for like a month and like, yes,
I lived in London for a month.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, South Africa for like a month.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
In my defense, I took the kids on the safari
and they saw actually there was two cheaters who just
killed an antelope. Oh my god, and the thing was.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Like so speaking that local language.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And this thing was so mangled. It was so mangled,
and the kids were like, my kids are five and four,
like what's wrong with it. I was like, it's just sleeping.
And then these two cheaters are gnawing at it and.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
They're like make it stop, and I was, my god,
it's a jungle massage.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I did see a couple of zebra.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
Try.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I feel like we sometimes try to get a bit
of a read on our guests.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Maybe you'll never know me, you will never know. You
can try, you can try, but you'll never know me.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Did you ever get suspended from school?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yes, but I will say this, it was an in
school suspension. Yeah, I know, I know, but it's really
smart because if you get suspended, you're just at home
with all your things. But in school suspension you just
had to sit outside the office for five days.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Like medieval times. Being on show, you're like one of
those things too.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Like a hanniballeto mask, and I got it for smoking
cigs in the toilet, Yeah, which is funny. It'd be
funny if someone put a sig through the hannibal leto mask.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Give a hip. What was your thinking behind smoking cigarettes
in the toilet?
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Just actually liked cigarettes? Yeah, My thinking was like I
like to do this, and I'm going to do this.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Was it the little lunch or the big lunch?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
It might have even been like during class.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Nice you have.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
It's kind of funny because it's not even like, oh,
this naughty thing we're planning to do. I'm like just
actually stressed out from class and need my little genuinely
stressed out.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And then how did you get caught?
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I was stopped on I actually can't remember bridge it with.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
My I honestly, I didn't think you would have been
type of person.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, I was smoking. It was more that's the only
time he was suspended.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I think, So there were other times where it was
like threatened or whatever. But yeah, I was like, I
wouldn't say I was a naughty kid, but I did
get swept up in the moment.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, who was the disciplinary one at hunt? Who have parents?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Thank you for actually bringing that up. Okay, I guess
I guess my fractured home life kind of contributed to Yeah,
it's like but disciplinary. I don't know, Like I guess
both my parents were disciplinarian in a way. But there
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is something about them being separated where you never truly
have to answer to anyone too much, Like you can
always stories can be you know, you can kind of
play parents. Yeah, Like if I was ever in trouble,
I could always just gossip about Dad to mom. You know,
She's like, where on your homework? I'm like, I don't know,
but do you know what Dad said the other He said,
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this is a really weird thing, and she's interested. So
I could always which I think kind of is bad.
Like I do think I gossip a lot now because
I grew up being able to yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Dad's good and your girlfriend yeah yeah, quickly change.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
That will always be a bit interested in a tidbit
of your life.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I'll blame having an older sister from my last gossip. Yeah,
I'm like, guess, guess what, ash you do love gossip?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
There's always something, you know how evolutionary things always get
people out of bad behavior, like I don't know, you'll
you'll or something like, well, gossip was actually an evolutionary
tool because it was the collition of the information about
the mob and the tribe and you were just trying
to like survive, and it's like not used a piece
of shit, but you can like use these things like oh,
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it's actually about survival. It's because I'm a woman and
gossip's my only tool in the tribe.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
And before they had.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Delivered thing, they just gossiped its way like Chinese whispers
the next person.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, let's get back on track.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Okay, sorry, I am a mother. Let's get more into Yah.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
So your son is currently with your sister.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, my sister Hannah, who's twenty two, and she's awesome,
but yeah, she we drove here and the windscreen wipers
were on the whole time and she just didn't notice.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Oh fuck, like she just.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah, she's kind of she was awesome, but like saying,
she just doesn't Yeah, she's not aware.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Between you and her, like, yeah, not to point that out, sorry,
but she's quite young.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
And I'm quite.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Going back to the divorce parents, is this?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, second family? I'm Sorryron, simply two half two half
eas Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
That's enough of that. That's enough questioning for me. I
just want to get the whole picture.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Okay, what else do you want to do?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'm sorry for Ash, That's okay, that's all right, He's uh,
I get it, take it away, keep going.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I was going to say, okay, so why't.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Ask about the parents, the divorce parents. I want to
know about about Chris, my boyfriend. Yes, okay, what do
you want to know?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
What did you meet?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
We met at a party through a friend. What it was.
He was having a party at his house.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
He was having the party you just said a party,
not his party.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
It was his party. And I was with some friends
actually the boys from the Buttuda Advocate and my friend
Lovely Boys, my friend, my friend Dixie I just arrived
and at first sight for me maybe and Chris, what
do you think, he's just really hot. It's a bit
of acause mostly that it's a power play as well.
It's his house, his party. Yeah, he's got the upper hand,
(10:14):
do you reckon? I kind of think arriving to the
party is a bit of upper hand. I think hosting
a party in a very weak position really a little
bit because you're worrying about how the party is going
to go, your toilets being people taking big dumps, ship
people are doing it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You walked down and you like took a big ship
in the hay.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I'm in control, I have the upper hand. Don't go
in there.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
You kind of think like it's my party, I got
pick of the birds.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
But then that is true, that is true. I think
you could make a case either way. I think there
is a vulnerability in having a party because like if
it's a if it's a failure, that's embarrassing and people
are kind of using your house just however they want,
and you're the one that has to be like, guys,
can you not get there?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You have to be a bit a bit of a
sort of what's the word anal attentive.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, i'd I can't do I can't host events.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Because I'm just yet. It's just too anxious, and you're
worried about who's talking to who and who's having a
good time, and like, I'm just out of my mind
the whole time.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Who was spearheading the conversation about starting a family?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah, isn't it mostly the woman? I feel like men don't.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
It's a good question.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Men don't know that they want it until it happens.
Like he was very like, he was like, yeah, it'd
be cool, and then I sort of pushed it down
the track. And then even like when I was pregnant,
like he was obviously excited and everything, but it felt
like he went but I made all the decisions about
what prem we're getting. I could really barely get him.
(11:52):
But I do feel like, yeah, he didn't care about
all of that stuff or maybe couldn't conceptualize it. And
then as soon as the baby was in front of him,
it was like, which you guys probably remember that feeling
of like can't really conceptualize and then it's there and
he just could not stop crying. Really, and he's not
(12:13):
a crier at all. He was crying so much, Like
our baby had to go to nick You for a
few days because he inhaled a lot of liquids and
he was okay, like he was stable and everything, Like
he was really just there for monitoring. And my boyfriend
cried so much that the nurse in nick You was like, hey, man,
(12:36):
are you okay? It's like the place where the most
crying happens. He still was crying more than anyone. Yeah,
Like he just could not believe happiness, like absolutely overwhelmed
by the love, and ever since then has been so
much more involved than any Like, you know, we can
(12:58):
talk for so long about like, oh, I think we
should buy this type of food and I think this
and he looked like he's pooh. Was like he just
went from being yeah, I couldn't get him really interested
to yeah, that's all we talk about. He's obsessed.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
That's the dream though, right, But you would want that
as opposed to you being like, can you please just
change an happy?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah? No, he's the best, dat he's awesome.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Where do you think that reluctance came from?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It?
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Just I just think I don't know. I mean, I
think it's kind of a cultural thing. Like people are
very anti natalist, you know, Like I do think there's
a bit of anti baby sentiment in the air, and
I don't know what came first. I'm like, is it
because it's harder for people to is it the breakdown
of society where it's like people aren't earning enough money
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to have a baby, or like they're not you know,
it's harder to meet a life partner, and so you
just kind of take on this attitude of like babies.
I don't know, I do feel like there's a bit
of that.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I think it's a bit of a there's two sides
that there's one side of people being like it is amazing,
like it's life changing, I have purpose, and the other
side where it's like rule my life. Yeah I can't
do anything anymore.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
But like both like every day I'm like this is fucked,
and then I'm in the same day I'm I've never
smiled more in my life, Like it's just the joy
is crazy. But it's every day I'm like, what have
I done?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Is wrong?
Speaker 3 (14:21):
It is you know we were talking about this before
where it's like like you can't truly love something all
the time.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
No, You're like, yeah, you're like, oh.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
This is amazing, and then you're like then they like
smash a glass off the thing, and you're like.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, totally absolutely, but it's such an exercise. And like, like,
I had a friend the other day who doesn't want kids,
and he was talking about how he took all day
to make a sandwich and I was I had just
had no sleep and it was just so like just
to get to this place where we were going heading
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up for a gig, it was just so much, baby,
and I'm like struggling, hunched over zips, like just your
whole day so hard. And he said, like he was
describing making this sandwich all day and then he kind
of was like, oh, sorry because he knows how hard
my day is. But in my mind, I'm like, no,
don't be sorry, Like I'm I love even though it's
(15:23):
I was complaining. I love doing this for my son. Yeah,
and like I get to see him, like I saw
him see a rainbow for the first time, and it's
like it's all worth it.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
It's like watch my son see a rainbow for the
first time and that moment, or make a sandwich all day.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Like yeah, yeah, it sounded pretty good. Actually, but yeah,
it is. It's a funny, it's yeah. I guess it's
also designed perfectly, like because before you do it, you
just don't know how good it is. So like people
who haven't done it or don't want to do it,
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they'll never feel that. So it's kind of good.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yeah, you don't know what you don't know. But yeah,
it is fucked for pregnant, like not as easy as
I assumed. Maybe I think we tried like five months.
Oh wow, so yeah, like I thought it would be boom,
but five months. It's not as long. I know, like
other people have that much.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, will you spend your twenties trying not to get
pressured exactly and then when you try and get pregnant
like oh wow, this is actually.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, I've had a lot of common Why is this
not taking? They always made it out like like just
one of them was gonna be like and I'm like, well.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Millions, it's sort of like if you're throwing off ship
at the wall, something's going to stick, right, That's what comes.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I'm imagining Betty just like covered in like sick, Something's
going to stick.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah, Chris, is there like nothing else.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Like Matt from the Jungle.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
When Chris found out, was he on board or was Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Like immediately was really happy. But I just think before
then didn't have the drive that I did, Like, wasn't
as alongside me as I would have wanted. But I
just I don't know whether it was hormonal or whatever,
but I was like, it's happening, and I just knew
he'd love it once he did it.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, was it an easy pregnancy.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
It was physically, but we had a like we had
a pretty hectic time. At my seventeen week scan, it
was actually it was earlier. I maybe had an earlier
scan at like fourteen weeks. So I'm really bad at talking, seriously,
I feel it's a new skill to like talk earnestly, Like,
(17:57):
especially as a comedian, you just always want to get laughed.
So you're like, oh, they accept me, so to speak
covered and come exactly, and then you laugh and I'm like, Okay,
everything's all good, and now I have to be earnest
and no. So at my fourteen week scan, the lady
sort of couldn't see all of the heart, but she
didn't seem worried. She was like, oh, it's just really
(18:19):
small and he's in a weird position. So come back
in a few weeks. So I didn't think anything of it.
That my GP was like, that's normal. So I went
back at seventeen weeks like happy as Larry. Everything up
until then had been perfect, perfect, perfect, So I just
never thought anything of it. And then she was doing
the scan and this lady wasn't saying anything, and I
(18:42):
was like, can you see what you're looking for? And
she said, oh, I think I can. I'm just going
to get the obstetrician to talk to you. And so
then it was just like like the worst feeling I've
I actually haven't talked about his phages but and so
then I got put into a little room for fifteen
minutes by myself, and the obstetrician walked in and just
(19:04):
pushed the tissues towards me. You're kidding, yeah, And she
said it's not good news, and I started crying, and
she basically started describing what it was, but never kind
of got into like you just want information, Like I
was like, so does this what does this mean? Like
am I so we have to terminate it or whatever?
(19:26):
And she said, we just don't know she's actually quite
strange as an obstitution, Like this lady. She because when
I was crying, she goes, Oh my god, she goes,
this is actually the worst part of my job.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I was like yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I was like, okay, sorry, why do we.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Do the best? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Right, So she was like, he has this thing called
I suspect he has this thing called Tetralogy of Fallow.
And it's I know, it's called Tetralogy of Fallow.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
The things I know.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I wish it was more simple because no one can
remember it. It sounds like a JR. Tolkien novel or something,
but it's it's like there's four things that have gone
wrong with the heart, so they only need to correct too,
and that's the whole, and there's the valve. But the
(20:22):
thing is it can be a sign of other abnormalities.
So I didn't know whether I was going to have
what he had had genetic abnormalities, and we would have
to terminate at like twenty weeks, which would have been
so horrible anyway, So we went in at twenty weeks
and had everything done and they were like, no, he's
actually completely healthy and normal except for this thing. And
(20:43):
they said it was actually funny because a lot of
like I got a lot of comfort from the women
who were like, it's okay, darling, everything's going to be fine.
We have so many kids who come in with this
gets fixed. And I liked that kind of caring, feminine reassurance.
Whereas my boyfriend, who's half Chinese, doesn't like all of
that very fairy talk. And he loved the doctor because
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the doctor was this Chinese guy, this little guy called
doctor guy, and he just looked at it and he said,
we can fix, we can fix, and he's like, it's fine,
I fix all the time. It's fine outset. Yeah, And
like my boyfriend like enjoyed a Chinese man who knows
what he's talking about, like assuring us of and so, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
At least you had both ends of the spectrum, like
you have your self touch of the you had like
the firmness of the Chinese doctor.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
So totally everyone's covered. Yeah, And so they do. They
f it's kind of their bread and butter surgery. There's
literally today would be two three kids right now at
Westmead getting it done. It's like something that they'd fix
a lot, but it is something that to fix, to
fixate its open heart surgery. Yeah on a baby.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, sorry, baby, not a child.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
And so this is all happened like so this is
before I've had the baby. So they're all very confident
and like we fix it all the time. And they
make me feel like, you know, back to the pregnancy,
just you know, he's healthy and like we'll fix it
and these are all the steps. But you know, I'm
reading things online and there's a big spectrum and there's
people who've had a really terrible time with it. But
(22:17):
I also think you have to remember when you're reading
stuff online, the sort of person who posts in online
forums is a very anxious person usually, do you know
what I mean? Like, so, yeah, anyway, so I just
tried to be positive and stuff, and then I had
the baby and it's suddenly like, oh, they're going to
do this to my baby. And so that then became
(22:38):
like I had been quite positive and like it's fixable,
blah blah blah, and then suddenly it was like, but
what if it's not and what if something goes wrong?
And then I had this little baby?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
How long until they have the surgery?
Speaker 4 (22:52):
So they didn't know. So the heart kind of takes
a little while to settle when the baby's born, Like
there's a few little vowels and stuff that open and
shut just in general, so they just had to see
how it all settled and then keep an eye on it,
and then they would decide based on how much oxygen
he's getting and everything. So when he was born, they
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said probably around in six months. We had a surprise
hospital visit. They can go blue. They go blue when
the valve gets constricted, and it can happen like if
they're having a big crying fit or whatever. So that
just added because they cry. So when he would cry,
like normal people are freaking out, but I'm freaking out
because I'm worried he's going to go blue. So like
(23:35):
all of my anxieties were just so heightened. But then
I also had a really normal experience, like whenever I
talk to other mums, we were dealing with the same thing,
but I just had such an extra worry. And then
we had a hospital stay that was unexpected. He had
a blue spell during one of his checkups and then
it was suddenly like we're getting rushed to Westmead Hospital
(23:58):
and we were there for a week. And I don't
know if you've ever been on a ward with a child,
It's just like I had a little You have to
put them to sleep, and there's six other babies screaming,
and then it's a nightmare and the nurses come in,
so you just I just get him to sleep, and
then the nurse would come in and take his blood
pressure and he'd wake up screaming, and I'd get him settled,
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and another baby would wake up screaming, and I just
didn't sleep for the entire I felt like I was
in hell. There was a woman next to me and
her little girl, Huffsa. She had a little girl and
she was coming down off she'd just had heart surgery
and she was recovering and she was in delirium. So
her little girl screamed for like twenty three hours of
twenty four hours. They couldn't do anything, and then they
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and then there's like hell, yeah, and that happened to
my son as well.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I've never heard never I know that.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yeah, Well, hope that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, I get like, like for them to scream, do
they explore what, like why they screamed so much?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
They just so not all of them.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Get screaming delirium. My son went cross eyed, which was
actually I'm laughing now, but I it wasious, like it
was fucked. I was so upset because no one knew
what was going on either. They were like, we don't
really know why he's doing that. We can do a
brain scan tomorrow, and I'm like, please don't talk about
We've just done the heart. I know, because the whole
(25:25):
time it's been like, you know, with the brain, that's
that's very scary. It so seems so unknown. But with
the heart, like even though it's horrific, it's a pump,
like it's mechanical. They can fix it. Like my midwife
would always say, like he's got a pumbing issue, but
we can fix it. And that kind of calmed me down,
is there?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
And this is like a confronting question, So apologies to
ass but you know, you think all the feedback you're
getting from the medical staff is that this is fixable
and this is not something that we haven't dealt with before,
we have experience here. But at the same time, open
heart surgery is full on in your head. Are you
also trying to manage expectations of like I wanted to
(26:06):
go well, but things might not work out. I know,
where's your head at? Leading into that five months.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
I was just so mental because yeah, it's like how
do you love? I loved this thing that I felt
also like he could be taken from me, and like
they would talk about, you know, they have to tell
you what they're going to do in the surgery and
I never wanted to be told, but you know, they
have to break his sternum and his blood is outside
(26:33):
of his body, he's they stop his heart as a
five month old like this, and he was you know,
I know everyone thinks their baby special, but like he
just is so full of life and so happy, and
like I couldn't. Yeah, there was. It was very tough
because I felt like I had to confront his death
(26:54):
all the time. Like I just felt like every day
I had to think, like every time he smiled or
did something, I was like, you might die. And it
almost made me scared of him, like like I was
scared of his weakness. And I also think other people
were were a little bit too, because we always It's
like when people talked about him, they always said like,
look how strong he is it, look how big and
(27:16):
tough he is, And it was almost like are we
saying this? Because to love him being weak, it's like,
can we not love him as a weak baby? Like, yeah,
he has to show how strong he is in every
other way, do you know what I mean? And I like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
For you to be like, well, it's like everything's okay,
and it's like it's not.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
And even like when he was recovering from the open
heart surgery, he didn't recover as quickly as they had predicted.
He actually caught COVID somehow during operation or just after,
and yeah, so he was under sedation for longer and
it was a scary time, but the doctors and the
nurses were like, it's okay, he's recovered ring Like he's
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taking his time, and he's recovering at the pace he
needs to. He doesn't have to recover perfectly, you know, and.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Like everyone recovers from yeah, and that includes a five
month old baby totally.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
And I think, yeah, we had had this whole narrative
of like, oh, he's so tough, he's going to kick
surgery and the balls, and like it's actually like it's
actually okay that he didn't and he's still lovable. So yeah,
it was a very tough time. Like I was it
was weird because yeah, in so many ways I had
a you know, he was a normal baby, and but
(28:33):
I just could not enjoy it in the same way.
And I like, really, it feels like life has started now.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yes, so the lead up to the surgery, not knowing
when it's going to happen, I suppose they.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Said yes, but then we did lock it in. Okay,
So after that hospital stay that the surgeon was like,
let's just lock it in. We'll do it. And the
lead up is just I mean, I lost my mind.
I was just like I would walk around crying, weeping
in public, like I don't know you, I just it
was just so sad. So I'm going to cry. It's
(29:07):
so funny that I was talking about being having come
but yeah, it's it's like a it's oh my god,
it's embarrassing. I mean, yeah, obviously it's a sad topic.
But he's really good now, Like he's really he's really strong.
He's actually already.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Lifting other than you waiting for surgery or is it normal?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Like everything is well?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
They tell me, like they they're like, yeah, he can
do everything. He needs to check up every year for
the rest of his life and he will need when
he's older, like when he goes through puberty, they will
need to put another valve in. That's the main thing.
But the surgeon seems to think that they won't have
to do open heart again, that they can do most
of these things via catheter. So I'll always worry, like
(30:01):
I'll just always freak out. And he's so active and
sometimes I'm like, just chill, chill. Yeah, i just want
him to be a ballet dancer or something. I wanted
to be athletic, but like not contact sport. Yeah, And
I'm just scared that he was going to want to
play rugby. And because there's a fame that you do know,
Sean White, the Olympic snowboarder, he has tetralogy A fellow
(30:25):
really yeah, so he needed like three open heart surgeries.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Before the age of five, flying in the air like
twenty feet out of our heart.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yeah. And like he you know, did football and like
they can definitely do apparently whatever other kid does.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I will not tell George that George reading.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah, I'm like, You're going to just live with mummy,
Like you.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Know, when you go through that traumatic experience as a
parent and you come out the other end. And we
spoke before about the fact that parenting is amazing, but
those are moments are matched with moments where it's exhausting,
it's relentless, it's so bloody hard. Do you ever get
guilt your life?
Speaker 4 (31:10):
You know?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I thought I might lose you.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Yeah, and you're pissing me on Yeah, yeah, totally. And
then and then that's even harder because I'm like, I'm
not even allowed to have the normal experience of being
pissed off at your kids. Yeah, it does feel like
I was it almost the different ways in which I
feel I've been robbed emerge like I don't even I
(31:34):
wasn't even prepared, Like he's he's not a great sleeper,
but only because we are. You know, for the first
six months of his life, they said, don't let him
cry too much because he might go blue and lose oxygen.
And then he has his heart fixed, and they're like, yep,
he's good. His heart's like fixed. You can let him
scream his head off, but that's a very hard thing
(31:54):
for us to do.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
We don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
So because of that, he just runs rings around us,
like we just do whatever he wants, like yeah, which
you know, probably isn't good for him. Like, I know
that I need to teach him to sleep, and that
will require me like dealing with my own anxiety around
his health for his own sake. But that's just really
(32:19):
hard to do. And yeah, I just feel angry sometimes
that I can't even do I can't do that, Like,
but yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Don't know what does a sleep team look like for
you guys?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Well, just he does what he wants. We kind of
cater to that, and no, we tried to. You know,
he has his stories and his toys and stuff. We're
slowly getting him to learn to fall asleep without the boob.
But I fed to sleep just for every Yeah, it's easy,
(32:53):
and you know, I'm like, he's been through so much,
Like I'll give him some titty, Yeah, given the boob
when they love it, it's like who am I to
take it from him? And you can always find someone
to justify it.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
But I think every parent. We have another friend who's
got a baby that doesn't sleep, and the dad is like,
I just can't if the baby's sleeping, Like I've just
got to go in there, and you know that you're
doing a disservice to the baby. But You're like, we
used to rock Marley to sleep every single nap she
had and then transition into a car like we were.
(33:26):
We gave her like a life of pure luxury and
so then when it was time for her to like
fend for herself, she was like, yeah, you've You've held
my hand every step of the way, and now you
can let go.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Transition is like it's like handling an explosive.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
You're like, and you start hating any sound like yeah,
the I'm like, if I had a gone, I would
have shot a bunch of dogs, like or like someone's
doing repairs in the building. I'm like, oh, you're you're
plumbing just had to be fixed.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Like my daughter, or like maybe my daughter was having
a nap and it would be like the neighbor hated this.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I reckon. She just drilled on purpose. I get a call,
I'm going to go over there.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I'm like, go on, Yeah, I was like, it gets
so psycho. I was laughing the other day. I mean,
I'm still in it. Like but with my family. We
went to visit my family over Christmas and I was
inside having a nap with George, just got him to sleep.
He was in a really good nap, and there was
a freak do you know what a whirlyworli is? It
(34:33):
was like a mini tornado. Yeah, a freak whirly whirly
whipped through my parents seriously, and it lifted all the
lawn furniture in the air and a big umbrella and
my stepmom tried to grab it and she got all lifted. Seriously,
(34:57):
she nearly died. Everyone's screaming and I'm in the room
and I come out and I'm like, he just got
to sleep.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
So's it's funny how like psychotic you get, like because
I know that, like.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, that it's so precious, especially like a nap. The
naps in the day sets you up for what your
night's going to fucking you think.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
It does, and it's like does it? It does, and
you're like, we have to get on the schedule again, and.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Then there's just like one noise.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
He's like, for god, I know, yeah, And you have
no control over anything that you think if you can
control nap time and weak windows and stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
But my parents were over the other day and both
kids have been like didn't up all day. It was
like a really big day for them. My parents came
in the late afternoon. So they're excited again because my
parents are there, and then they go after sleep. My
dad's such a gone death, I reckon, so allowed to Yeah,
every five minutes, I'm like.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Shut and he's like, we here to visit you. I'm like,
I wish I did it. Now they're away again.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
It's like they punish you, the parents, like they like
seeing us in turmoil.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Oh for sure, for sure. I mean they're like, we've
done it, now.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
You've got it, and they think we're insane, Like I
think they just put us down when we were tired
and they just didn't follow all this stuff, or as
we're like, we actually need five hours before bedtime in
order to get the sleep.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Pressure to see everyone thinks sleep, everyone think about being
and then.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
They're looking at Chris and being like, wow, he's such
a great father, he's so hands on.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Yeah, I guess so, I think there's a bit of
that reluctant. I don't know what they're thinking. I think
I think I'm such a psycho that they're mostly focused
on I'm still mental. I reckon, if you can't.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Tell you.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
I haven't picked up, just come out of the jungle.
So you do.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
You think I'm coming off the back of April being
mental for so many years and it's completely I feel like,
it's so it's so normal to be like, we're all
so hyper sensitive in that moment, your way, in the
absolute thick of it has got nothing on that you
remember that you're.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Like people, people who are in the first years amazing, amazing,
But there was also the.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Hell it's like we also we joke a lot. Is
like I don't remember, we don't remember. You forget all
about this until you have another one, and then you
forget all about it all over again.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, I mean. And also it's like, but I love it,
like I'm in hell, but I love it. And it's
hard to.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Explain that you have produced is like trying to understand
it doesn't no parents when you're like, it's hell, but
I've like, but I'm I've acclimatized to it. Yeah, I'm
used to it, and I've got a comfy seat.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
It becomes you're like, it becomes like your whole hobby,
your whole life. You'rely and this I actually don't can't
see it any other way anymore.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I know, And I feel like it's a like you
you're passing on. Like not having kids for me felt
a bit like refusing to have your turn in tiggy,
you know, like the kids, yeah are actually like I'm like,
I've come down an ancestral line of like, you know,
I've got a pretty interesting family, like we all do.
(38:44):
But like my dad's family, his mum was Aboriginal, his
dad was Russian. You know, it's just hectic. And it's
just like women for so long have just been like
squatting out kids in absurd circumstances, so difficult, and it's
just so funny for me to be in like bed
(39:05):
ordering uber eats, like no, I don't think I can
do it.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Strategy like don't knock, don't look me in the eyes.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Like my my grandfather's indigenous and he was one of fourteen.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Yeah fuck did his mum do fourteen? And we've got
like two and we're like, don't wake them up?
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Yeah exactly. And it just felt like it like it's
my turn and I just had to do it.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I don't know, how are you finding doing it in
regards to work.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
It's in some ways it's really good because I used
to be so neurotic about putting you know, like I'm
going to try this new joke and I get really
doubt if it didn't work or whatever, and now it's
like fuck it. Like I'm quite free of mind. Like
I go, I'm doing bedtime, dinner time, it's bath and
then I have to get in a like uber and
go to a gig and I just have to try it.
(39:55):
And I think that kind of I don't give a
fuck attitude is like helpful.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, as your material change them, it.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Has Yeah, but then you also have a lot of
time to think about stuff like I'm lying there with
this during nap time, and you have like time to
be a bit you know, I can write, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
The things that you didn't maybe, like you might just
be walking down the street with your baby and you're
like okay, and then you get home and you're like, okay,
I'm waiting for the baby to wake up. Way, I'm
observing things that happened different now.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Yeah, And you're also just rooted in, you know, humanity
a bit more Like when I talk to Uber drivers now,
it's like we're both like I love my kids. It's
like I fucking love my kid, and it's like you're
all the other day was at the airport in Coffs
Harbor and I saw this mom and it was so
cute her little her girl was coming to Sydney and
she had her little Sydney outfit on, like oh you know,
(40:47):
little Ara and William's boots and she.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Had a little backpack Sydney.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Yeah, it's just so excited and the mom, you know,
you could see her saying goodbye to her and it's like, oh,
you know. And I really felt that, like, oh my god,
they grow up and then they leave and I just
might not have ever observed that before and understood. It's
like you you see what roots people to or like
binds them to the earth, like why they work, why
(41:12):
they do these things, like.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
You do it no greater purpose?
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Yeah, and you just love and it's fun to show
a new human being how to enjoy the world. Like
I just think about my son's the experiences he gets
will will have in his life, like just even I
don't know, waking up on a nice morning and smelling
like a nice smell, and I think about him doing that.
(41:36):
It makes me happy.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
The first Yeah, just.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
New things like trying to get on their level too,
with seeing something for the first time, like when as
adults when I'm like, fucking look that you imagine.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Like everything everything dropping acid all day and then we're
like go to sleep, go to sleep where.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I just want to rainbow. You just tell me a
fucking rainbow.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
You like, go to sleep now.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Anything?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Is it hard to work at the same pace, like
at the moment I laid fringes on, Yeah, speaking to
other comedians and they'll do like consecutive shows like ten, fifteen,
twenty shows back to back.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah, and you're probably talking to the men doing it
as well, which is very different. Like I don't actually
not to be like I'm the only because I'm not.
But I don't know many women who've I'm still breastfeeding
and stuff. I don't really know women who've gone back
to it in this way. And I'm actually a bit nervous,
to be honest, Like I'm excited to do the show
and I hope that it's good and people like it,
(42:42):
but I'm really scared to do it. Then you can't
like when I've done Adelaide and Melbourne. You know, you
do your show and then you go home and you
think about what worked and didn't work, and you can
really like put that time into it and I just can't.
I mean I can. I'll have to find ways to
do that to keep my little human alive exactly. It's
(43:03):
just that there will be balancing and.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
I hope that's okay, you'll take him.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Yeah. So luckily Chris has been able to take time
off work so I can tour and stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Wow, OK, yeah cool.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Yeah, I know. Crazily I'm the bread winner and I'm
a comedian. It's like not, it's not normal. I remember
when I realized I needed money to It's a really
crazy but I realized. I was at the Now salon
and this rich woman was talking to me and I said, oh, yeah,
(43:36):
I'm thinking about having a baby. We started talking and
she said, oh, what do you do? And I said
I'm a comedian and she went and she said what
does your partner do? And I said he's a social worker,
and she went like she could not hide her disdain.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
You're working in like I don't know, as an avatar
or like killing animals entertain people.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah, an avatar at least has a regular paycheck.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
You're a frustration a dead animal.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I think the work is admirable.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
On your side.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
I don't think she meant it was not admirable. I
think she was just like, what are you going to
do for money? You have a it's not a real
thing to do. And she's not wrong.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
You're proving her, proving her wrong.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
That's true. That's true. I have done well And if
people just want to keep buying tickets, that would be
really good.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Put some information in the show notes.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Definitely, Yeah, please.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Or two questions. Okay, I know that it's still early days,
like you're still with a newborn, so maybe way too
premature to ask this question, but will you go a second? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (44:53):
I would love to. I feel like it would be
very healing to go through the process and hopefully not
have something go, you know, the health thing or fucked
if it happens again. It's not a gen anything, it's
just a freak accident. But I would love to. I
just don't know how. We don't have family in town.
It feels like we're just handballing him back and forth.
(45:14):
We haven't nanny once a week. Day Care could be
life changing, and it is. I used to be like
no daycare, and now I'm like, what about daycare?
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Honestly, I think like I think we waited.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
We waited till Marley was like definitely beyond twelve months. Yeah,
we put her in for a couple of days a
week and we just, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Don't know yourself.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Yeah, I'm thinking eighteen months two days a week.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
We change.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
We forget that.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
It's like the stimulation that they get to like it
might be like feel like I'm just off boarding.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
It's to someone else, but they have so much.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Yeah, new toys, and he does come alive with other people,
like he gets bored of me and then loves. He'll
be grizzly and then we go out and he's like weaving.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
And everyone and then just do so much with Yeah.
It's you know, and there's other kids doing the same ship.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
So I think I am thinking the waiting lists in
Sydney are pretty extreme.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
So we're just going to add to totally.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
I should I think once I have a little and
you know, once he gets at the moment, we're just
still definitely in the trenches of like totally it's just
physically hard.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah, but you mentioned we handball, Yeah, and it's every
couples doing the same thing. We're like, you know, like
you taking for now and get some rare a lot
of families going through all that. But when you when
you have two, it does become a bit more difficult.
But then they sort of go together.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
I know, and you kind of need you need. You
can't play a ball game without four people. You kind
of need two kids, two adults for family holidays.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
You can't play with three. But it's a bit ship.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
Yeah, it is a bit and the dynamics wrong. It
has to be two kids ganging up on the parents totally.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yeah, it's even then.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, I've got my nieces.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
She's an only child child, and I think there will
be the case. So I'm just like reluctant.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Oh no, I mean I'm an only child technically.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Winning thoughts and prayers with winning.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
Yeah, I'm an only child technically, but I do have
two half sisters, but you know, we didn't grow up together,
so I very much identify as an only child.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, my kids, like they just bicker.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, we will caveat that. Previous conversation is the only
children are great, and they are fantastic.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
I think they are cameras. I think they take on
a lot. As an only child, you take on like
you're very aware of your parents' son. Am makers when
you have a sibling, you're in your own Yeah, And
I do get sad sometimes because I think there is
no one in the entire world who knows what it's
like to have my mum. No one, you know, you
(47:53):
can know her, but no one will know what it's
like to be raised.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Whereas now with half sisters, we can talk about my
dad or whatever. And that is a novel experience to
have other people, Yeah, being parented by my dad, whereas yeah,
where are you going with this? Is this just going
a trail off?
Speaker 2 (48:18):
I don't know if the sort of picked up a
bust is.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Like listen, Nick Cody was a lot more.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
One more question and I have for you, Becky, when
George is all grown up, yes he's no longer living
at home. If that time does come, who knows is
the one thing you would want him to remember about
the house that he grew up in.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
I just want him to remember like comfort and like
nice moments which his dad's really good at making, like
he really he knows, like Saturday morning, let's make pancakes
and put nice music on, and like coziness is such
a nice thing. And I also want him to feel
understand good I want him to feel like, well, we've
(49:02):
really listened to him and made the effort to like
understand where he's coming from and his life. And yeah,
I don't know. My parents can never remember my friend's names,
and I find that so frustrating. And it's like, I
just want to remember everything about his life, even if
he finds it over Mary. I want to be an
(49:24):
overbearing mom.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I do.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
I think it's nice.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
I've really spoken for an hour, but it sounds to
me like you are a great mom and you have
a great partner who's also a great dad. So well done.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Thanks, thank you, that's really nice.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Thank you for spending some time with us.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
Loved it, didn't I didn't know. I actually really love
hanging out.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
With you guys. Thank you. Any chat about calm I'm
all about.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
I was a bit nervous, like, yeah, it's weird walking
into someone else's dynamic, but I think we've really got
a long guy's I think just if you want to
analyze how this.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Went, if you can come back anytime, you lie, I
can't come back, was like, can I come back?
Speaker 4 (50:05):
It's also so fun to have permission to speak freely
about parenting because you know, when you are at a
party and you there's people who aren't parents, and then
you are having a parenting chat and someone, a non
parenting person comes over and you're so yeah, you're so
self conscious about how boring you're being. This podcast is
really boring.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
Non parents yea. And you can see someone just like.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Slowly, we've a lot of non parent listeners, though not
like some people are like, oh, it's my favorite podcast.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
I have kids.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Man, well you're weird. Love you, Thank you again.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
No, thanks a lot and and goodbye and at a point,
thanks guys, thank you.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Fun fact, we've had two guests that.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Have appeared on Cony Now in this podcast.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Don't tell me who the other person was.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Who was it was?
Speaker 3 (51:11):
It is Nick Cody, Nick Cody and Becky Lucas, which
is great for Australian comedy.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Both absolutely hairy, both absolutely hilarious. And if you found
Becky hilarious, anythink maybe I want to go see her
stand up. We have great news. You can see her
touring a new show. Things have changed, but the essence
remains all around the country. Tickets can be found in
the show notes.
Speaker 3 (51:37):
That's that's an amazing name for a show. I will
just say.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
That I like it very deep, yes, mysterious.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Now, if you're listening, get out there and supporting you mum.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
Let me help her get back to work back on stage.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
And if you've enjoyed this episode, help us say it work.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Just help us please.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
You can subscribe, review, give us a few stars for
you comments on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or follow us on
social media TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. We have a group
there as well. And if there's any guests that you
would like us to interview, moms or dads, anyone you
may find interesting or hilarious, let us know.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Until next time.
Speaker 5 (52:14):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Two Doting Dads podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country
throughout Australia and the connections to land, see and community.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
We pay our respects to their elders past and present
and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestraight Islander
peoples today
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