November 18, 2025 • 50 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What do you got for me?
Speaker 2 (00:00):
You didn't want to mention anything about Yeah, what's it?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
I don't know. You're a bit on edge because it's
not happening, and I'm like, I don't want to get
it wrong. Doesn't because you'll come at me like a diva.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
You know I I tried to look my best in
front of you.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I know that what do I get?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I get fucking nothing. You didn't get get nothing. Why
do I bother?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Because I didn't want to be like, oh, a new
haircut and you take it the wrong way. You've done
that before and I do have to dig out some
sort of memory to be like, you get a haircut,
you it was wrong with it.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That is a complete lie. You're lying right now. Don't
lie to me, don't lie to the listener. Welcome back
(00:56):
and do that in Dad's My name is Mady J.
I'm ash the podcast all about parenting. It is the good,
it is.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The bad and the relatable. You've got a hair out
of place.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh, for God's sake.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
See, So, as I mentioned it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
There is a difference between saying that's a nice haircut and.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You because you're vigorous. I'm just helping you. So that
for the camera.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
So you look happily, happily attack the hair.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm not attacking it, So that's what I mean. You
misunderstand me trying to be helpful with being attacked. It
looks good, So why did you see?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
You've set me off? Now?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Okay, give me a look at the back, very very
high and tired, as they say.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Anyway, housekeeping you look, what do you got?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Beautiful message from two of our listeners, Kiara and Tom,
who are driving around Australia with their baby daughter Millie
love Milly for a little little girl's name than little girl.
Thank you. You're just taking credit for it. Yeah, okay,
I like it. We've just we've just over five months
into our lap around Australia, nearly twenty four thousand kilometers down.
(02:07):
My god, what's that?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
What's like what's sitting in Melbourne?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It'd be like nine hundred kilometers mate, twenty four thousand.
Let's run up to one thousand for that one. So
it's like going back and forth twelve times.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Wow, stricken, that is that like a round Australia twice?
What are they doing? They lapping Australia. We're in a
fourth lap of Australia.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, but they would be it would be like the
scenic route right.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, if you're going around Australia, I think the only
one way to go.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I wonder if they've run into my friends Josh and
Ciang because they're going around Australia as well. Do you
do it clockwise? Do you do an anti clockwise?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I think it's clockwise. I do think you have to
have to care those you'll hit people together. Other way, true,
you'll be on the wrong side of the road.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Finally, caught up on
all episodes, all one hundred and eighty two episodes.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I think we used to sound pretty shit back in
the day. Is there Can people notice the difference we
get better or we'll be like the same the whole
way through.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I think we've got more confused with where we're at
an episode.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
When we first started, we were so like the relationship was.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So new good. I mean, anyway, let me finish this
then we can talk about that. We've been absolutely addicted
during every nap time drive doing it with our eleven
month old. She was only six months when we started.
Your chats have kept us laughing and feeling less alone
out in the middle of nowhere, away from our friends
and family. We just really felt the need to say
(03:31):
thanks for keeping us company on the road. You are welcome. Wow,
that's lovely.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That is also that better be in the Apple podcast reviews.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Just copy paste bomar, but a lovely touch. Very It's
nice to get a message all that. It feels good.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Ash. You know, we love a gender reveal. I do
absolutely love it. It's my biggest regret in life is
not doing like more of a gender reveal type activity. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I feel like there can be some nice, little simple ones.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And then there's yeah, like you know, the fireworks, like
I want planes, you know, as they like spray the crops,
but it's spraying blue and everyone that's it's anyway.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, I want I want something similar. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
But there is a gender reveal that I've seen online, okay,
and it's it's just it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
If I can just show you for one second.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I would love to see it.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'm going to show you the image of the gender
reveal and I want you to see if you can
pick what's a little bit unique about this one?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Great use of words and you spot the problem? Well,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Is it a problem. I don't know, but maybe it's not.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's two women and a Man's three.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
People in the photo, and they've done the it's a
very traditional gender.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Revealere they've got the confetti, the nice touch.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah nice.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Okay, Well, look what I'm seeing is that there's two
people that are pregnant. So it's a throttle.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yes, you're right, it is a throupple. But the throttle
is between a mother, a daughter, and a man who
is not the dad. This man has come into the
to the relationship at a later date and he has
managed to get the mom and the daughter pregnant.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Okay, how does that even come about?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And they look happy, they look very happy.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Are we just as a human race at the point
now where we're like a fuck it? Because twenty years
ago that'd be on Jerry spring Jerry Springer.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Shit, I think yeah, it would be. I think maybe
now maybe where the problem for seeing that as being
something that.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Is not right to taboo? With that?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You'd say, yeah, I mean, also, is that is it real?
Because mom quite old, Mom looks she's quite to be
able to have a baby at that age, not to
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
She was quite you look quite young. But like Mike,
the confusing part about that.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Is, so wait, what does it make What does the
mom's baby the daughter? But what the relation of the
two babies?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And then how do you have that conversation when they
when they when they're grown up.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Because your brother or sister is then your auntie.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Are they setting these kids up for trauma?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I mean, when you're thinking about naming a child and
you're like, oh, don't want to call it like you know, Rachel, Rachel,
you know, like what were I couldn't think of anything
that when you're like, I don't want to give them
anything that puts a target on their back, whereas these
two have like gotten the target, enlarged it, tattooed it
(06:36):
on the back and be like there you go.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Good luck and put it on social media good luck
and fucking eyes school. Oh my god. It's a mess,
isn't it. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's not a mess. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Ash, it's beautiful to them to ship it can be
messy though, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Just pregnancy with your mother, beautiful thing. And who are
we to judge if they're consenting adults?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm confused of what they are
going to be to each other. It's beautiful, Okay, it's
I think it's a bit weird. I'm just gonna I'm
just gonna say it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Are we endorsing? This wouldn't get that far.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
No, I wouldn't say it.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
As long as they're happy, they're not hurting anyone. It's like,
we're happy.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Me knocking up April and then just be like you're
next to her mom, like.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You have talked quite highly of her mother. She's a
beautiful woman.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I know she's interested. You're thinking definitely not that look.
It's a bit weird for me. It's all a bit
weird for me. I think I'm not an overly traditional
guy that seems a little bit obscure.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Didn't pick you as being such a prude ash.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I'm not open minded.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Sometimes I'm surprised you haven't asked any questions. But Marley
finally had her end of year dance recital.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
The dance recital that stopped the nation.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
You know, you don't ask about my haircut. You don't
ask at the dance recitals. You talk about the relationship
being good back in the day. All I'm saying is
that you're not putting in much effort.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Ah, okay, I noted, Just how did she go?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Very good?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Okay, give me a rundown of the day.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I was it was a very stressful morning, very stressful
morning because we had to get to the hall that
the halls I got RSL. It was a morning event,
morning event, so we had to get there for nine
point fifteen. What was the weather, Like, it's beautiful weather. Okay, good,
great weather. But it's just as things do in the
mornings when you're dealing with three kids and one of
them is a newborn, everything moves a bit slower. Also, Marley,
(08:31):
I now know I'm putting it down to nerves. But
Marley was like I don't want to do it. She's like,
I don't even like dance. And I was like, that's
really weird. You do like dance and she's like, no,
I hate it. I don't want to do this. I
can now realize that it was just she was really nervous.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, as I ask her, like he'll be like, oh,
I've got to saw a tummy, I was like, they
are they nervous? Mate, and like, yeah, they forget that
they got But I also think she's such a confident
kid that I'm like, oh, she'll do anything.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah. But it was at this RSL. When the RSL
is a theater, it's about five or six hundred people.
I've heard, Wow, I heard. The theater is the home
of the Australian Magic Mic. It's a very well known venue.
Seems inappropriate also the home to the Tiny Tots dance
recital twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
The polls in here, Yeah, don't touch anything like this.
One's slippery, sticky. What's all this glitter?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
But I always thought leading up to the concert, I
was like, why the fuck are we doing it at
a big old venue. We can just do it at
the school hall, or we can just do it in
the room, just put the parents down one side to
watch the concert. And I was like, that's enough. We're
talking about three five and six year olds. We're over
complicating this.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
And there was also there was costumes. There was very
particular instructions on how to come arrive with your had
to have a high ponytail, had to have.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Are you sure you said to me that this jiu
jitsu thing is like a cult? Are you sure this
is on a cult? Is you've got rules.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Dance is a cult. I think it is, and I'm
into it. But I we got there. We were a
little bit late, a little bit late, like, you know,
couldn't big surprise.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Oh man, there's a theme here.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Couldn't get a park, couldn't get a park. And then
I was like, Laura, I'm going to leave you with
Lola and the newborn. I'm going to run Marley in
because we're running late. And Laura's like, well, what an
I runner? And I was like, because you don't know
the RSL. It's a big venue. You'll get lost. So
we're having the argument the car as like another parent
walked past. We're like, oh, hey, Susan, don't mind us just.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Follow Susan, just follow Susan in.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
But we got there. And also I didn't realize parents
have brought bouquets of flowers.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Is it a wedding? What is going on?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
They were People were like, oh you didn't where's your
bouquet flowers?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Just to throw on the stage afterwards?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Did present not to throw take this?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Throw Perry underpants on there like they did be Tom
Jones back in the day.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So we didn't do that. And then Laura was like,
go get a bouquet of flowers, and I'm like, where
am I going to get a bouquet of flowers from
one anzac parade and Sydney there was no Willers. Yeah,
so I didn't have the bouquet, but Marley was. She
was pretty nervous, pretty nervous, and I did before Molly
went on stage. And by the way, we're out of
housekeeping now. I yelled at the MC.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I heckled the MC, and then we're back in housekeeping.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I heckled the MC because he was a good MC.
I'll give him that. He said, you know, everyone makes
some noise. We're here for the damp recital, and he goes,
I just want to give a special shout out to
the mums who have been up this morning stressing out
over the high ponytail, and I said.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
What about the dods smart?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And people were like, show the fuck up.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Everyone was like, relaxed, bro, get him out of here.
No flowers. Heckling the MC. That's enough, mate, you're out.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But it was was twenty two performances in total that
we had to sit through.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Wait, whoa wha, wha wha, whoa whoa whoa twenty two performances.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Because you had acro, you had the conga, you had like, yeah,
how many one the second last one?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Oh, I know, it's torture, I know.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And some of them were quite cute. There was somewhere
the kids three year olds. The curtain opens and they're
all just like.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Oh, yeah, they're the ones I want to watch because
it's like there's chaos.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And the dance teacher came out at one point to
the three year olds and was like trying to like
trying to get them to like they were on a
straight line, and they kept like like ants, like scattering,
and the dance teachers are coming on trying to put
them back on their straight line. And they're like, oh, like.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
That's that entertaining. It was good, that's good. Yet I
think like at that age, it's it's so funny, like
them just bumbling through it and like these kids are
like yeah, and then it's like like get on stage
and look confused.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And then half of them would walk off stage. It
was the set of stairs at the front. Half they
would kind of like kids, it was chaos.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Just spot your parents, just like oh the mom. When
Oscar was doing the schools Emily. All he did was
stare at the seat that he was sitting in, and
I could tell what was going through his brain was
like I can't wait to sit back in you. But
were there any like really like good three year olds
or they all just like one one?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
There was a couple you'd like see one little standout
and you'd go, oh gosh, she's like that girl's quite good,
you know. To be fair, the three year olds any
bit of movement, basically a lot of them just stood
there still.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I like it scared, petrified. I would want to watch
those as.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
All the parents are there going the audience like, it's
a lot. You're on stage in front of like five
hundred parents and they're all like wooing and cheering. It's
a lot. But Marlin was great. Performance was really good.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Do you remember what like song or yeah I.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Can I can puy the oh yeah please?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Oh yeah yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
A great song.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
That is a good song.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Great song. And the hair. The hair, I was very,
very worried about the hair. He's about half a tin
of hairsprays because the hard thing was with the hair
rush trying to get the fringe. She's got a fringe
to get the fringe back. I said, you want the
fringe out, fringe in, the fringe up, and so to
get the fringe. Luckily it's the high ponytail, so I
could get the fringe in with the rest of the hair.
(14:33):
And I was like brushing so hard. It was like,
I'm not good with the hair.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I'm really not.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's like a it's a it's like a painting.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
But when I do the hair and go out in
public and someone's like, oh, it's really bad because it's terrible.
They're like, oh, see dad's on the hair. I always sorry.
I blo the bas and that was mum, she's bold. Actually,
how does that make you feel?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
My goal on the life is to be able to do
a plat Yeah, that's my goal. What next year?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Dream high?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But then after after the performance the show was over,
they had the big finale, all the kids on stage,
everyone's cheering, and after she came off stage and Marley
was like, that was the best day of my life.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Doorphins.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
They were rude humping. She was just like I love
this and she wanted to quit. She's like, I don't
want to do this anymore. And then after the concert
she was like, let's let's do it again?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Can we do it again? Every Saturday?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So where now a dance family?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Wow? So it was the nerves, all because remember I
said last week that something's happened that made it not
like But I think it was the nerves. If you
took away the concert, she probably would have still loved it, right.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think, do you know what? She was loving it
up until she realized there was going to be the
concept there.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It is like so.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Obvious, so obvious. We figured it out, crack the code.
She's now got auditions for school dance. So we're currently
learning it. Wow, for auditions.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Give me a move. That's one of the moves? You got?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
One? Two?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Oh yeah, what do they call it?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
One three, four, five, six seven eight?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That's well one two, three, four, five six seven eight.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Oh my goodness, you are a dance fan. I'm both
done dancing with the stars. Hang on with let's just
let's just talk this out a little bit. And now
Bali does dance. That's all right. So I was really
like trying to project that into something way bigger than
it was. But yeah, dance family, I know you're renowned,
(16:33):
you're known for it.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I know they did a part where they invited some
of the dads in stage to dance, and I couldn't
get picked because I was I was up in the
second tier because you.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Waited too long to get tickets.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, think about that. I know that it was good gear.
Actually dad's dancing on stage. It's like a half time entertainment.
That's it was very good.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You're not getting me out there, though, No fucking chance you,
no way. How many beers were I ever had to get.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Is the RSL pub wasn't even open.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
What that's unbelievable. Good thing we're not doing dance? Ah? Cool? Well,
I'm glad she killed it. So does that mean the
dances end for the year?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Still going?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Just keep going, still going more weeks? Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Was that it?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And they have like an off season.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's the off season.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Dance off season.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, because when the school, the school dance starts next year.
Fucking two dances too. I think Lola's going to start
dancing anyway.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I can't believe they're in their final term of the
first year of school. I can what the fuck heck?
Where did that go?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Ash? There is a question that I don't have to
ask myself because I don't have a son, yeh, Bosca.
The question is how do you turn a boy into
a man?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Pubot has definitely got something to do with it.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Wipe your hands with it. Puberty will do that.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
The TV will teach him how to do. That's a
good question.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, I want to get your thoughts. There's a video
that I saw online and it's about a dad who's
got an approach to parenting which I think is pretty dangerous.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Oh how a watch of this.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Daughters are way easier really, yeah, people say otherwise, But like,
all I have to do is take care of my
daughter and love her and give her things and make
her feel like a princess and she's happy. My son,
on the other hand, it's harder for me because I
can't just nurture him and caught him like that. I
have to set him up to be the person that
will kill and die for the people he loves. When
he's having a sensitive moment or whatever, I have to
(18:36):
stop myself from nurturing him and says, man up, young man,
Oh you fun fell and hurt yourself. Shut up South crying.
That's what you have to do with the boy. We're
men and that's what we have to do. We have
to turn boys into men.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
There's a few things here for me. Firstly, he said, well,
you know, we've got to turn boys into men. Okay,
you don't do that by suppressing any emotions that they have.
I think, because statistics will tell you how many men
try and kill themselves every hour, tempt it and succeed
(19:10):
every day, every hour, every month, every week, whatever it is,
because they weren't given the tools to be able to
express their emotions correctly, or not correctly is the wrong word, sorry,
express their emotions healthily at.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
All at all, though. I think his example of his
son falling over and him saying, manner, suck it up.
Like you said, there is no strength at all in
living in a world where you can't express any emotion.
You've just got to suppress it, and you just got
(19:47):
to bottle it up. And I think the notion that
not showing emotion is going to make you more masculine
and stronger and be more resilient, I think is so counterintuitive.
If you grow up always being told that any emotion
that you express, that's like being upset, being sad, being anxious.
(20:08):
If you're told you can never have those feelings. You're
going to have those feelings regardless. It's unavoidable that you're
going to go through life, whether you're a man or
a woman, you are going to have those emotions. And
if you're being told by one of your parents that
you cannot have those feelings. When you get to an
older age and you do have those feelings, which again
is inevitable, you're going to have so much internal shame
(20:29):
if you get upset you think I'm not allowed to
feel this way. To have this idea that you cannot
feel any type of emotion, it's so unhealthy and it's
just bottling it up in a way that it can
never get released in a way which is healthy. It's
healthy to cry, it's healthy to be angry within reason.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, and I think like you should be building resilience
into your kids for sure, but saying man up and
get up falling over is not how you would do that.
See that's for me. It's kind of like, all right,
I want to build resilience in him, but I also
want him to be able to be emotionally healthy. Let's
put this way, right, When when Oscar's older and out
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in the world and you know, dating or whatever I
would love. I would love that he's emotionally available for
a man or a woman, depending on how. You know
what I mean. A line in there he said kill
for your family. But when he said it, it's kind
of like he meant that, you know what I mean?
You know, when you're like, oh, i'd die for you guys,
which I would or I would?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You know? The only way to be masculine is by
by showing violence.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
By showing violence, by showing how fucking strong.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
You are, be more toxic. If you try.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
It can't It can't be good because then what does
he do? This little kid grows up thinking I can't
show emotions. No other man around me can show emotions.
Only women can show There there again is another toxic
thought to think, like, oh, these women are really emotional.
It's like people are emotional, moron, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Dude. I'm so thankful that I grew up in a
household where my mum didn't just allow, but encouraged any
type of emotion. And it's a bit like when Maley
was being nervous about her dance. You know, if I
was to say to her, you can't be nervous, You're
not allowed to be nervous, be strong, don't let the
nerves come through. You're allowed to feel that way.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Your emotions should be validated totally. Like same thing with
Oscar yesterday, right for jiu jitsu. He gets nervous every class,
and I said, you're allowed to be nervous, but you
know what, when you finish, then you're gonna be happy.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Imagine if you said to Oscar, men don't get nervous. Yeah,
if you get nervous, you're not a man. No, that's
how fucking dangerous is that?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
But that's previous generations, right, This guy's just continuing this
this idea of like men go It's like when someone
comments on a man doing something like men used to
go to war.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
But I also think his approach to his daughter is
also I don't agree with it either, with the idea
that in order to raise a daughter that's going to
be a woman is all you have to do is
just give her exactly what she wants and she's going
to be a princess.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, because then what is she going to grow up
with that mentality and go into the real world where
you don't just get what you fucking want?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah? What resilience a you're building with your daughter, Like,
it's so detrimental to both genders.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Let's say this, right, in ten years time, ask him
the same question when he's got a teenage daughter that
he's given everything that she's ever wanted. Right, Let's see
what he says. Then.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Also, you look at the comments in that video. There
are so many people who are like he here. I
agree absolutely, men should never show emotion unless someone's died,
Like that's the only case where they can show emotion.
It's like, oh my fucking god, dude, not to sit
here and judge other people and how they parent. But
I think when it's being done in a way that
is so dangerous, you've got to say something.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
You've got to break the cycle of this. Anyway, it's
an interesting question because I have been thinking about it
a lot, because I mean, my kids are getting to
the a share room. They spend a lot of time together.
You know what siblings are like, nothing ever ends happily,
They're always playing, and then the only time it ever
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ends is someone's crying. Then I go, we should stop this.
It's getting bit because someone's going to get someone's going
to get hurt. They don't give a fuck about that.
And I was starting to think about the way that
my parent Oscar, especially when he's interacting with MACI, who's
a girl, and it led to a lot of anxiety
for me of late. So I went I booked in
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to pick up my therapy again, and I had been
slack on it because I've been busy, which that's no excuse,
because I was trying to stop the interaction altogether with
each other because I knew where it was going to
end up in a tears or I would have to
get upset.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Give me an example of an interaction where you I've
got to step in here and separate.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
If they're if they're just if they're just engaging in
any activity together, just say they're playing snakes and ladders. Yep,
really good example. It's all fun and games until one
of them is a little bit upset about something that's happened,
and then it's like it's it can be you know, teasing.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Or like one's winning more than the other.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
It makes me hit Oscar this morning. Yeah, after they
were playing, just hit him and I was like, just
keep your hands to yourself. So this was happening and
I was getting to the point where I would hear
them interact whatsoever, and I'd have this sense of dread.
I recall vividly I was in my room. It was
early they share a room, and I heard them interacting
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with something like doing something, and my heart rate was
through the roof, like I couldn't work out, And I
was anxious because I knew what the end result would be,
which is someone's gonna cry. I'm gonna have to step in,
and it's going to ruin my day already because I'm
going to get crank. And I was just feeling so
anxious about it because I heard a couple of times
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how Oscar was talking to Macy and I was like, fuck,
that sounded like me, and I was like, that's not good.
He thinks he can talk to her like I can
talk to him when he's doing the wrong thing. That's
what he thinks. So it led to me thinking about, like, Okay,
well how do I parent this boy? Because he's getting older,
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he's getting you know, he's getting more inquisitive. He's lots
of questions and starting to mimic things that he sees.
And I was like, well, I want I want to
build resilience in him as well as being able to
be a good nurturing parent. But then also I don't
want him to be scared of me when something goes wrong,
because then he won't bring things to me when he
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really needs me the most. And I was really struggling
mentally with that, with what's right and what's wrong, and
it made me think about, like, you know, what my
dad was like and what his dad was like, and
I don't want to shit on my dad and my
dad's dad. Here. Progressively, through generations, fathers and sons have
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gotten closer. So like I remember when my grandfather died
and my dad said to me, I don't remember the
last time I hugged my father. That's what he said
to me, And he goes, can we not be like that?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah? And that's the thing. Like my dad and his
dad they would swap pleasantries and they were it wasn't
like they weren't at each other in front of us
and stuff like that. But I know that Pop would
come down so hard on Dad. And then when I
was sort of growing up growing up in my house,
Dad and I were closer than that. But also as well,
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the given opportunity, he would come down on me as
hard as he could. And I reflected with my therapist
about a situation that happened when I was a teenager,
and I was like, Oscar, really hard on myself when
I didn't get something right, okay, And I remember I
was cooking eggs in the kitchen. This is very basic
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cooking and I'm a teenager, and obviously the pan was
too hot because I'm a teenager, and I got really
angry with myself. No one else but my parents heard
me from another room, and Dad had a crack at
me about it. Right, He had an absolute dig at
me about nothing really when I think about it. And
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Mum had a dig at him, saying, you're just looking
for You're just looking for something to have a go
at him about that's what you're doing to him. And
I never really thought anything of it until now I've
got Oscar, and I'm like, am I looking for a
reason to discipline? To discipline instead of instead of I'm
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doing what I don't want to do, which is what
I want to I want him to respect me, not
fear me. And I also don't want to be like
my knee jerk reaction here is just to have a
dig at you, and like, he gets so angry with
himself with things, and I physically have to stop myself
from getting angry with him being angry, and it was
getting to the point where I was like, I need
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to change this.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I also think it's the age when you look at
like Marley's six, right, and they're at a point now
where they are being really independent, so much more than
what they were before. Like they can get dressed themselves,
they can feed themselves, they can make decisions on their own,
and so you're seeing them in a sense that they're
little adults. But at the same time, that's six. They
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are so young.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Oh I know. And that's the thing, right this, I
would get so anxious, My heart rate would be so
high before anything even happened, right, And then my immediate
response is to just come down on Oscar. Why because
he just reminds me of my fucking self. And I'm like,
and I said to my therapist, I said, I don't
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want I don't want to be in a situation where
April's got to have a dig at me because I'm
trying to find a way to have a dig at
my son. That's not parenting.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
And what did your therapist say she validated it.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
That's exactly what she did. She validated it and said, okay, well,
next time he's starting to feel like that. The kids
are interacting because their kids, they're going to play together.
They love each other so much, and Oscar is so
good to his sister. But she was like, next time
you're starting to feel just say to April, I'm starting
to feel a little bit anxious, take a deep breath
and think about a different way that you can approach it.
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Don't just do it. And that would be my reaction, right.
And I really hit me hard the other day. And
I know I left you guys a voice message where
I was joking about Macy's bottom lip, but it fucking
hit me like a ton of bricks, men, because I
was coming down on something that the way that Macy
was talking to her mum, and I've come from the
other room flying in instead of coming in and being like, hey, what,
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like why do you why are you talking to your
mom like this? We don't talk to you like that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
You talk like that, that's rude.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Because I didn't. I found myself standing over her and
the lip quivered and I had to ease it back
because I was like, this is wrong.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But also just know that I do that all the time.
I know you're not. It's not an isolated case for
yourself to react that way and to let let yourself
try and discipline with the knee jerk reaction of being
frustrated and when it to come down hard, I think
every parent reacts in the same way.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, and I think there's going to be some instances
where it's gonna be warranted. And we talk, we joke
about a lot here is like why do I have
to yell at my kids to get them to listen?
And other parents out there listening to this right now
know how frustrating that is, because it is. And you
get to the point where you're just like, I've got
to yell here or nothing's going to happen. But for me,
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I'm like, okay, that's fine, but I don't want them
to fear me. Yeah, there's a really thin line here
where I'm like, okay, where can I be a leader
and they can respect what I say? And I say, hey, guys,
stop it, and they go, okay, well that's it. That's
you know, yeah, And where's the line where it's like
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they hear me coming and it's like I remember, I
remember as a kid, you know you get scared.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Well, did I hear the cutlery drawer like Russell? And
You'd be like, and I wouldn't want to misbehave because
I didn't want to get hit with the wooden spoon.
That's how like I behaved off the back of fear
of the repercussions of trouble.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And I want I don't want them to just be
I just don't want them to fear me. Because the
look in Macy's eye and I don't come down on
it very often, but she was very rude and I
and I there's a better way of me for me
to do it, but the look in her eye made
me think, I come down on Oscar all like this
all the time. What sort of damage is that going
to do to him? So I was really wrestling with
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that that it was. It was I was getting anxious
and then I was getting depressed with the outcome, yeah,
and trying to suppress that again. And it was like
I need to pick up my therapy again because it
just and I've spoke to you about this before, it
just spirals for me into alcoholic depressive episodes. Of days
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and days on end of me trying to just suppress
it and act like it didn't happen, and it was.
It just got to the point where I remember it
was very early in the morning and they started to
just talk and I was like, it was like a
pit in my stomach, my heart, I was sweating. April
was at the gym and I was like, I can't
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do this anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
But like, credit to you having the self awareness to
be like I am struggling, Like this is something that
I'm not coping with right now. Because there are so
people out there who would just continue parenting in that
way of the cycle of wanting to have their kids
fear them. I think that is the easiest way to parent,
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but also the least beneficial to grow up to have
a really healthy relationship with your kids.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, and I know, like we said, we joke about it,
and we joke about like I can we're giving advice.
I can be I can be erratic. I think, like,
look that I'm gonna yell, I'm gonna be erratic, but
I need to I need to balance that out with
being able to treat Oscar with a little bit more,
a bit more nurturing.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, that makes sense, No, it does. Lola, who's four,
she's probably like the naughtiest, Like Marley, is a bit
of a stickler for following the rules. Yeah, And at
the other morning, Laura was out the door pretty early
and Lola woke up. Laura was already gone, and Lola
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always has like a morning cuddle with Lorda, that's how
she starts the day. Because she couldn't have that, It's
like a coffee literally, and so she was just so
upset the fact that there was no Laura. She didn't
get a chance to say goodbye, I didn't have that
that cuddle. So she was just having a tantrum over everything,
to the point where I gave her a week bix.
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She wanted to do the honey but I didn't know that,
so I poured her honey on the wheat bis and
she just was hysterical, crying, like drueling because she was
crying so much. I was so close to being like
this is fucking ridiculous. Yeah, I'm not going to have this.
You're not going to react. It's we're talking about honey
here on your breakfast, And the way that you're reacting
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is completely silly, because my biggest fear is I don't
want her to think that she's allowed to react to
that situation, which doesn't warrant how she's behaving. My fear
is that if I if I allow her to do
it one, then she'll do it. She'll react in the
same way to other situations.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, she's like, I know what I can I can
know what I can do here, and I can just
cry that's it.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, and I'll melt down and I'll just get what
I want. So I was my initial reaction was I
need to like discipline it because she's behaving in a
way which is really silly, and I I'm I'm going
to try a different tact to how I would normally parent.
And you gave her a hug. Yeah, and it's what
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she needed.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
It's crazy because you don't in that moment you think,
like you said, You're like, you're like we sort of
think that they're way more autonomous than they actually are,
and we think way And April said it to me before,
she has said you you are putting too much pressure
on him. He doesn't he doesn't have the regulation, regulatory
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systems and say with Macy that we have it we
just because we just think that they should. And yeah,
that the problem here was that I'm not you had
that thought. I wasn't even having that thought, like it
was getting worse. So it was like, yeah, I needed
I needed someone to say to me, Okay, well, why
don't you tell me how you're feeling right now and
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then take what i'd take, take this session out to
the world with you, and instead of knee jerk reaction
to stop whatever's happening, just take a deep breath and
think about, like, what else could I do here? Maybe
I could maybe I could get them to decide themselves
of what they should should not be doing.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Is going to pick up on the fact that you
change how your parents be like, ash, what's going on
with you doing? But we talk about trying to regulate
our emotions. Yeah, I did have a little moment where
I didn't regulate them very well. When have you ever
had a situation where you've been riding your ear bike
and a cars kind of come out at you?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Oh? Yeah, have you?
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I was leaving my house down and down the road
not far from my driveway. It's a little apartment complex
and there's often cars are coming going it's a very
busy apartment complex. And I had Marley had Lola in
the back of the eby, like, oh, whenever I see
a car that's merging on, like, I always dry pretty slow.
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The e bike is a bit of a like Dad's
e bike. You know, Maximum'm going twenty k's an.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Now, yeah, that's not that much.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, I see a car merging on, I'm just pretending
like they're not going to be able to see me.
So I kind of have my hand hovering over the break.
And then as I got closed, I was like, yeah,
this guy's not going to see me. He's pulled out
in front of me. Oh god, and I swear and
I missed him.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Oh god, a little bit hairy? He was hairy or
the situation. The situation good to know, Harry Shoulders.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
There was a bear driving the van. He's like, so
I stopped in front of him and I, you know,
I did the look over the shoulder.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
And it's the international sign for OI.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah yeah, and I kind of I went both hands up,
come on, what's that what's that about? Hey, what's that
about doing? And he looked at me and what I
was expecting was like hand up apology. So sorry, and
he then gestured me to keep like keep going.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Come on back like this, yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Carry on, get out of here, shoeing me away.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
That's more hand signals I've got from any driver in BONDI,
if I'm honest.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
We were speaking in sign language here. I was like
what about this? And he's like yeah at that point
and I was like, I was like what what? In
my head, I was.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Like, he might as well flip you off.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, well do. I was like, hey, buddy, I got
two kids on the back. You've just pulled out in
front of.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Me driving there's a white van. Did he have puppies
in there?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
And I was like, you just pulled down in front
of me. Dude, like come on, and he goes fuck off,
gave me the finger.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Should I have regulated my emotions? Yes? I should? Yes?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Should I?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
No? I did not?
Speaker 1 (39:49):
How did this go down?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
And I was like, are you fucking serious? I was like,
you're going to flip me off? Mate? I've got a
four and a six year old on the back of
my bike. You're not even paying attention to the road.
You pulled out in front of me. You pulled out
in front of me without saying sorry, you're telling me
to then fuck off? Are you kidding? And he was like, mate, Jesus,
move on, mate, there's nothing in it. What are you doing?
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And I was like I was youwie?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Oh yeah yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
And I was like learn how to fucking drive power?
And he was like all right, oh mate, yeah, good one,
good one. The kids were kind of like what do
we do?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Dad?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Is everything okay? And he then just like sped off
going past me, and I was like, oh, get you?
And I was so angry. And then I look up
to my left. Oh no, my neighbor, the family down
the road walking with their prayers, and I was like, hid.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
How many f bunds did you drop in there? Though?
I love three?
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah? Yeah, I think it was three.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Look, I don't mind that. I was serious, yeah, and
I was warranted again, did you explain to the girls
that she washed the limit?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I think Hannah across the road was like, he almost
hit you, and I was like, thank you always did?
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Okay, Yeah, I think your reaction is fine. I would
have flicked rong gosh, smashing windows and.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
The kids were like what was that about, Daddy, and
I was like nothing, nothing, we're late for school.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Oh, my god, it's rude. But I look, I probably
would have reacted the same way as a lot of
like it's hard to.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I wish you, wish you're with me.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
What he said. Yeah, Ash, it's my favorite time of
the year because summer, because summer and summertime in Australia
brings what the heat. Very good, very good. I see
what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I'm trying to avoid not I.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Know you you. I feel like you are one of
the later comers to the Christmas spirit. Yes, it takes
a while. You're like a big old machine that we
have to wind up.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
It's like.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
It does take me a lot to get in the spirit,
and we get there and like eventually a lot Christmas
Christmas Eve, like finally we got him there. He's like
fall to the room with Christmas spirit and then it's
time for Christmas. But I I peak early.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
You are very she has said that to me before.
You do love Christmas.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Easter too.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I do like Easter, but for me it's a close one.
Halloween is great, but Christmas, I mean it's hard to beat.
It is hard to beat. What's not to love except
go on? When you have a Christmas fail.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I love that. See that part of Christmas? Anything awkward
I'm all about.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Are you the Christmas Grinch?
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yes? Now we did ask people on socials for their
Christmas fails, chaos stories, anything that happened.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
That's somewhat funny to him because I think people go
into Christmas with great intentions. No one plans to have
a fail. No, I'm aware of not there's a diabolical
but I think when you're juggling multiple family members, when
you're you're juggling multiple dishes as well, and especially with
the Australian summer, the heat adds to the stress of it,
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all mistakes abound to happen. It's unavoidable. Yes, Ash, I
can't help. But notice you are currently eating a gingerbread
men that has no arms, has one leg.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah, that's from Aldi. It's delicious, hence only one leg.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Let look, I guess I guess you could say, go on,
it's Christmas, treat yourself.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
That's going to be my motto this year. Anything do it,
don't hold back from Audi and a shout out to
AUDI because they are actually sponsoring this segment matter. That's
why I've got this delicious food ash.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
It's time for Christmas fails. Nadina has written in and
she says her Chris was fail that she described as
a true disaster. Go on, everyone sat down for Christmas lunch.
My uncle. It's always the uncle.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I know it is. It's so much easier to blame
the uncle too.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
My uncle popped the cork of the champagne, hit the
fluoro light above the table and smashed it, covering every
single plate of food in smashed glass.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
And those things explode to the fluorescent lights. Shit everywhere.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
What do you do there? Do you just just eat it?
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Well, you can't surely know there's gonna be some sort
of chemical in it. Oh no, there's more.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
All they could do was make sandwiches for Christmas lunch. Ah,
stay with whatever was left over in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Oh so sad.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Imagine the uncle.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Sorry, guys, and you'd feel horrible.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
You might cheese sandwich.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Because usually what would happen with families, right, correct me
if I'm wrong, outside of family coming in together to
break together, they will will bring a dish or that
you're in charge of the meat. You're in charge of that,
And all of a sudden, Uncle Bob, who's rang nothing.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
He's like, hey, everyone married Christians.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
And he didn't even buy the champagne. He was like,
let's get this party started.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I'll see myself out.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I would never go back. He's not invited next year.
Apparently that mine's from Alice. Alice writes it was our dog,
Alan Rickman's.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
That sounds like such a movie name.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Who gives the dog a last name, like a prominent
last name, puppy's name? This one on that because that's funny.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Nathan Christiensen.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
It was our dog, Alan Rickman's first Christmas with us,
and we were at my parents' house. They were having
thirty or so people over for Christmas. That's too many,
thirty or so people over for Christmas morning breakfast what
and had brought seven packets of around thirty croissants the
day before. Oh no, we left the dog alone in
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the house for an hour in the afternoon of Christmas Eve,
Alan not Alan Rickman, and he proceeded to get into
all of the croissants. He ate every single one and
then markets seven packets.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
It's dog alive.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
That's gonna be a world record. He ate every single
one of them, and then to follow up took a
giant poo under the Christmas tree on top of all
the presents. It also only seemed to be on my
dad's presence, which was amazing.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
But.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Needless to say, he was kept outside for literally shitting
all over Christmas. And there's a really sad it's a
Jack Russell too. Can just imagine that it's not even
a big dog? Thirty chryssans. Yeah, wow, did he at
least heat them up before he had it?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I'm far out that is? That makes you feel so
much better about the Christmas fails that I've had. Oh,
for God's sake, what are you eating now? Okay? Okay?
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Apple? Stolen and gingerbread?
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Man?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Apple? What sorry?
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Stolen from?
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Who?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Very good? From? Aldi? Good? Different?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
This is the last one, okay, jess right. A few
years ago, my mother in law told everyone that we
were doing Chris Kringle. However, she told everyone that they
had her in the Chris Kringle. So Christmas Day she
opens presents from everyone and no one else gets a
single present. Her excuse was that the mother should be
(47:45):
spoiled on Christmas.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
That's psychotic. Evil is evil?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Fuck you all.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
I low key like that, though, I think like wow
at what point surely, because you know how you're like,
you're not meant to tell anyone who you got, but
you do anyway. Yeah, Like I was like, who you
got and you're like, I'm not telling her. It's like
we're married, you have to tell me. It's like, oh god,
I got your mum. Surely they worked out and be
like I know I've got her too, and then she's
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got every bresent.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
It's genius.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
It is genius.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
It's genius.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
I think that's good gear. Also good gear.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
This food you at the Stolens. If you have a
Christmas veil, we would love to have it on the podcast.
You can send it in at Two Doting Dads on
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Speaker 1 (48:31):
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I thought you're going to say the email address hello.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
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Speaker 2 (48:51):
Please the love of God.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
You're trying all different types of baking.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
How can I approach this one? I look, I would
I'll play this one like a bit like a nonchalant. Yeah,
I was gonna say that word was I don't know
how to say that word properly. Nonchalant. Non I've been
A review would be good, I guess if.
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What do you got for me?
Speaker 2 (00:00):
You didn't want to mention anything about Yeah, what's it?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
I don't know. You're a bit on edge because it's
not happening, and I'm like, I don't want to get
it wrong. Doesn't because you'll come at me like a diva.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
You know I I tried to look my best in
front of you.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I know that what do I get?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I get fucking nothing. You didn't get get nothing. Why
do I bother?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Because I didn't want to be like, oh, a new
haircut and you take it the wrong way. You've done
that before and I do have to dig out some
sort of memory to be like, you get a haircut,
you it was wrong with it.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That is a complete lie. You're lying right now. Don't
lie to me, don't lie to the listener. Welcome back
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I'm ash the podcast all about parenting. It is the good,
it is.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
The bad and the relatable. You've got a hair out
of place.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh, for God's sake.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
See, So, as I mentioned it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
There is a difference between saying that's a nice haircut and.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You because you're vigorous. I'm just helping you. So that
for the camera.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
So you look happily, happily attack the hair.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm not attacking it, So that's what I mean. You
misunderstand me trying to be helpful with being attacked. It
looks good, So why did you see?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
You've set me off? Now?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Okay, give me a look at the back, very very
high and tired, as they say.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Anyway, housekeeping you look, what do you got?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Beautiful message from two of our listeners, Kiara and Tom,
who are driving around Australia with their baby daughter Millie
love Milly for a little little girl's name than little girl.
Thank you. You're just taking credit for it. Yeah, okay,
I like it. We've just we've just over five months
into our lap around Australia, nearly twenty four thousand kilometers down.
(02:07):
My god, what's that?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
What's like what's sitting in Melbourne?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It'd be like nine hundred kilometers mate, twenty four thousand.
Let's run up to one thousand for that one. So
it's like going back and forth twelve times.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Wow, stricken, that is that like a round Australia twice?
What are they doing? They lapping Australia. We're in a
fourth lap of Australia.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, but they would be it would be like the
scenic route right.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, if you're going around Australia, I think the only
one way to go.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I wonder if they've run into my friends Josh and
Ciang because they're going around Australia as well. Do you
do it clockwise? Do you do an anti clockwise?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I think it's clockwise. I do think you have to
have to care those you'll hit people together. Other way, true,
you'll be on the wrong side of the road.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Finally, caught up on
all episodes, all one hundred and eighty two episodes.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I think we used to sound pretty shit back in
the day. Is there Can people notice the difference we
get better or we'll be like the same the whole
way through.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I think we've got more confused with where we're at
an episode.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
When we first started, we were so like the relationship was.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So new good. I mean, anyway, let me finish this
then we can talk about that. We've been absolutely addicted
during every nap time drive doing it with our eleven
month old. She was only six months when we started.
Your chats have kept us laughing and feeling less alone
out in the middle of nowhere, away from our friends
and family. We just really felt the need to say
(03:31):
thanks for keeping us company on the road. You are welcome. Wow,
that's lovely.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That is also that better be in the Apple podcast reviews.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Just copy paste bomar, but a lovely touch. Very It's
nice to get a message all that. It feels good.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Ash. You know, we love a gender reveal. I do
absolutely love it. It's my biggest regret in life is
not doing like more of a gender reveal type activity. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I feel like there can be some nice, little simple ones.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And then there's yeah, like you know, the fireworks, like
I want planes, you know, as they like spray the crops,
but it's spraying blue and everyone that's it's anyway.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, I want I want something similar. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
But there is a gender reveal that I've seen online, okay,
and it's it's just it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
If I can just show you for one second.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I would love to see it.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'm going to show you the image of the gender
reveal and I want you to see if you can
pick what's a little bit unique about this one?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Great use of words and you spot the problem? Well,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Is it a problem. I don't know, but maybe it's not.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
It's two women and a Man's three.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
People in the photo, and they've done the it's a
very traditional gender.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Revealere they've got the confetti, the nice touch.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah nice.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Okay, Well, look what I'm seeing is that there's two
people that are pregnant. So it's a throttle.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yes, you're right, it is a throupple. But the throttle
is between a mother, a daughter, and a man who
is not the dad. This man has come into the
to the relationship at a later date and he has
managed to get the mom and the daughter pregnant.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Okay, how does that even come about?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And they look happy, they look very happy.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Are we just as a human race at the point
now where we're like a fuck it? Because twenty years
ago that'd be on Jerry spring Jerry Springer.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Shit, I think yeah, it would be. I think maybe
now maybe where the problem for seeing that as being
something that.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Is not right to taboo? With that?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You'd say, yeah, I mean, also, is that is it real?
Because mom quite old, Mom looks she's quite to be
able to have a baby at that age, not to
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
She was quite you look quite young. But like Mike,
the confusing part about that.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Is, so wait, what does it make What does the
mom's baby the daughter? But what the relation of the
two babies?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And then how do you have that conversation when they
when they when they're grown up.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Because your brother or sister is then your auntie.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Are they setting these kids up for trauma?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I mean, when you're thinking about naming a child and
you're like, oh, don't want to call it like you know, Rachel, Rachel,
you know, like what were I couldn't think of anything
that when you're like, I don't want to give them
anything that puts a target on their back, whereas these
two have like gotten the target, enlarged it, tattooed it
(06:36):
on the back and be like there you go.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Good luck and put it on social media good luck
and fucking eyes school. Oh my god. It's a mess,
isn't it. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's not a mess. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Ash, it's beautiful to them to ship it can be
messy though, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Just pregnancy with your mother, beautiful thing. And who are
we to judge if they're consenting adults?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm confused of what they are
going to be to each other. It's beautiful, Okay, it's
I think it's a bit weird. I'm just gonna I'm
just gonna say it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Are we endorsing? This wouldn't get that far.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
No, I wouldn't say it.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
As long as they're happy, they're not hurting anyone. It's like,
we're happy.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Me knocking up April and then just be like you're
next to her mom, like.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
You have talked quite highly of her mother. She's a
beautiful woman.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I know she's interested. You're thinking definitely not that look.
It's a bit weird for me. It's all a bit
weird for me. I think I'm not an overly traditional
guy that seems a little bit obscure.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Didn't pick you as being such a prude ash.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I'm not open minded.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Sometimes I'm surprised you haven't asked any questions. But Marley
finally had her end of year dance recital.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
The dance recital that stopped the nation.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
You know, you don't ask about my haircut. You don't
ask at the dance recitals. You talk about the relationship
being good back in the day. All I'm saying is
that you're not putting in much effort.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Ah, okay, I noted, Just how did she go?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Very good?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Okay, give me a rundown of the day.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I was it was a very stressful morning, very stressful
morning because we had to get to the hall that
the halls I got RSL. It was a morning event,
morning event, so we had to get there for nine
point fifteen. What was the weather, Like, it's beautiful weather. Okay, good,
great weather. But it's just as things do in the
mornings when you're dealing with three kids and one of
them is a newborn, everything moves a bit slower. Also, Marley,
(08:31):
I now know I'm putting it down to nerves. But
Marley was like I don't want to do it. She's like,
I don't even like dance. And I was like, that's
really weird. You do like dance and she's like, no,
I hate it. I don't want to do this. I
can now realize that it was just she was really nervous.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, as I ask her, like he'll be like, oh,
I've got to saw a tummy, I was like, they
are they nervous? Mate, and like, yeah, they forget that
they got But I also think she's such a confident
kid that I'm like, oh, she'll do anything.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah. But it was at this RSL. When the RSL
is a theater, it's about five or six hundred people.
I've heard, Wow, I heard. The theater is the home
of the Australian Magic Mic. It's a very well known venue.
Seems inappropriate also the home to the Tiny Tots dance
recital twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
The polls in here, Yeah, don't touch anything like this.
One's slippery, sticky. What's all this glitter?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
But I always thought leading up to the concert, I
was like, why the fuck are we doing it at
a big old venue. We can just do it at
the school hall, or we can just do it in
the room, just put the parents down one side to
watch the concert. And I was like, that's enough. We're
talking about three five and six year olds. We're over
complicating this.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
And there was also there was costumes. There was very
particular instructions on how to come arrive with your had
to have a high ponytail, had to have.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Are you sure you said to me that this jiu
jitsu thing is like a cult? Are you sure this
is on a cult? Is you've got rules.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Dance is a cult. I think it is, and I'm
into it. But I we got there. We were a
little bit late, a little bit late, like, you know,
couldn't big surprise.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Oh man, there's a theme here.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Couldn't get a park, couldn't get a park. And then
I was like, Laura, I'm going to leave you with
Lola and the newborn. I'm going to run Marley in
because we're running late. And Laura's like, well, what an
I runner? And I was like, because you don't know
the RSL. It's a big venue. You'll get lost. So
we're having the argument the car as like another parent
walked past. We're like, oh, hey, Susan, don't mind us just.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Follow Susan, just follow Susan in.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
But we got there. And also I didn't realize parents
have brought bouquets of flowers.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Is it a wedding? What is going on?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
They were People were like, oh you didn't where's your
bouquet flowers?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Just to throw on the stage afterwards?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Did present not to throw take this?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Throw Perry underpants on there like they did be Tom
Jones back in the day.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
So we didn't do that. And then Laura was like,
go get a bouquet of flowers, and I'm like, where
am I going to get a bouquet of flowers from
one anzac parade and Sydney there was no Willers. Yeah,
so I didn't have the bouquet, but Marley was. She
was pretty nervous, pretty nervous, and I did before Molly
went on stage. And by the way, we're out of
housekeeping now. I yelled at the MC.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I heckled the MC, and then we're back in housekeeping.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I heckled the MC because he was a good MC.
I'll give him that. He said, you know, everyone makes
some noise. We're here for the damp recital, and he goes,
I just want to give a special shout out to
the mums who have been up this morning stressing out
over the high ponytail, and I said.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
What about the dods smart?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
And people were like, show the fuck up.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Everyone was like, relaxed, bro, get him out of here.
No flowers. Heckling the MC. That's enough, mate, you're out.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But it was was twenty two performances in total that
we had to sit through.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Wait, whoa wha, wha wha, whoa whoa whoa twenty two performances.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Because you had acro, you had the conga, you had like, yeah,
how many one the second last one?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Oh, I know, it's torture, I know.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And some of them were quite cute. There was somewhere
the kids three year olds. The curtain opens and they're
all just like.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Oh, yeah, they're the ones I want to watch because
it's like there's chaos.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And the dance teacher came out at one point to
the three year olds and was like trying to like
trying to get them to like they were on a
straight line, and they kept like like ants, like scattering,
and the dance teachers are coming on trying to put
them back on their straight line. And they're like, oh, like.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
That's that entertaining. It was good, that's good. Yet I
think like at that age, it's it's so funny, like
them just bumbling through it and like these kids are
like yeah, and then it's like like get on stage
and look confused.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
And then half of them would walk off stage. It
was the set of stairs at the front. Half they
would kind of like kids, it was chaos.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Just spot your parents, just like oh the mom. When
Oscar was doing the schools Emily. All he did was
stare at the seat that he was sitting in, and
I could tell what was going through his brain was
like I can't wait to sit back in you. But
were there any like really like good three year olds
or they all just like one one?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
There was a couple you'd like see one little standout
and you'd go, oh gosh, she's like that girl's quite good,
you know. To be fair, the three year olds any
bit of movement, basically a lot of them just stood
there still.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I like it scared, petrified. I would want to watch
those as.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
All the parents are there going the audience like, it's
a lot. You're on stage in front of like five
hundred parents and they're all like wooing and cheering. It's
a lot. But Marlin was great. Performance was really good.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Do you remember what like song or yeah I.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Can I can puy the oh yeah please?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Oh yeah yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
A great song.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
That is a good song.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Great song. And the hair. The hair, I was very,
very worried about the hair. He's about half a tin
of hairsprays because the hard thing was with the hair
rush trying to get the fringe. She's got a fringe
to get the fringe back. I said, you want the
fringe out, fringe in, the fringe up, and so to
get the fringe. Luckily it's the high ponytail, so I
could get the fringe in with the rest of the hair.
(14:33):
And I was like brushing so hard. It was like,
I'm not good with the hair.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I'm really not.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's like a it's a it's like a painting.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
But when I do the hair and go out in
public and someone's like, oh, it's really bad because it's terrible.
They're like, oh, see dad's on the hair. I always sorry.
I blo the bas and that was mum, she's bold. Actually,
how does that make you feel?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
My goal on the life is to be able to do
a plat Yeah, that's my goal. What next year?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Dream high?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But then after after the performance the show was over,
they had the big finale, all the kids on stage,
everyone's cheering, and after she came off stage and Marley
was like, that was the best day of my life.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Doorphins.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
They were rude humping. She was just like I love
this and she wanted to quit. She's like, I don't
want to do this anymore. And then after the concert
she was like, let's let's do it again?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Can we do it again? Every Saturday?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So where now a dance family?
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Wow? So it was the nerves, all because remember I
said last week that something's happened that made it not
like But I think it was the nerves. If you
took away the concert, she probably would have still loved it, right.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think, do you know what? She was loving it
up until she realized there was going to be the
concept there.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It is like so.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Obvious, so obvious. We figured it out, crack the code.
She's now got auditions for school dance. So we're currently
learning it. Wow, for auditions.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Give me a move. That's one of the moves? You got?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
One? Two?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Oh yeah, what do they call it?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
One three, four, five, six seven eight?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That's well one two, three, four, five six seven eight.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Oh my goodness, you are a dance fan. I'm both
done dancing with the stars. Hang on with let's just
let's just talk this out a little bit. And now
Bali does dance. That's all right. So I was really
like trying to project that into something way bigger than
it was. But yeah, dance family, I know you're renowned,
(16:33):
you're known for it.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I know they did a part where they invited some
of the dads in stage to dance, and I couldn't
get picked because I was I was up in the
second tier because you.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Waited too long to get tickets.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, think about that. I know that it was good gear.
Actually dad's dancing on stage. It's like a half time entertainment.
That's it was very good.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You're not getting me out there, though, No fucking chance you,
no way. How many beers were I ever had to get.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Is the RSL pub wasn't even open.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
What that's unbelievable. Good thing we're not doing dance? Ah? Cool? Well,
I'm glad she killed it. So does that mean the
dances end for the year?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Still going?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Just keep going, still going more weeks? Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Was that it?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And they have like an off season.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's the off season.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Dance off season.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, because when the school, the school dance starts next year.
Fucking two dances too. I think Lola's going to start
dancing anyway.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I can't believe they're in their final term of the
first year of school. I can what the fuck heck?
Where did that go?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Ash? There is a question that I don't have to
ask myself because I don't have a son, yeh, Bosca.
The question is how do you turn a boy into
a man?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Pubot has definitely got something to do with it.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Wipe your hands with it. Puberty will do that.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
The TV will teach him how to do. That's a
good question.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, I want to get your thoughts. There's a video
that I saw online and it's about a dad who's
got an approach to parenting which I think is pretty dangerous.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Oh how a watch of this.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Daughters are way easier really, yeah, people say otherwise, But like,
all I have to do is take care of my
daughter and love her and give her things and make
her feel like a princess and she's happy. My son,
on the other hand, it's harder for me because I
can't just nurture him and caught him like that. I
have to set him up to be the person that
will kill and die for the people he loves. When
he's having a sensitive moment or whatever, I have to
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stop myself from nurturing him and says, man up, young man,
Oh you fun fell and hurt yourself. Shut up South crying.
That's what you have to do with the boy. We're
men and that's what we have to do. We have
to turn boys into men.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
There's a few things here for me. Firstly, he said, well,
you know, we've got to turn boys into men. Okay,
you don't do that by suppressing any emotions that they have.
I think, because statistics will tell you how many men
try and kill themselves every hour, tempt it and succeed
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every day, every hour, every month, every week, whatever it is,
because they weren't given the tools to be able to
express their emotions correctly, or not correctly is the wrong word, sorry,
express their emotions healthily at.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
All at all, though. I think his example of his
son falling over and him saying, manner, suck it up.
Like you said, there is no strength at all in
living in a world where you can't express any emotion.
You've just got to suppress it, and you just got
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to bottle it up. And I think the notion that
not showing emotion is going to make you more masculine
and stronger and be more resilient, I think is so counterintuitive.
If you grow up always being told that any emotion
that you express, that's like being upset, being sad, being anxious.
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If you're told you can never have those feelings. You're
going to have those feelings regardless. It's unavoidable that you're
going to go through life, whether you're a man or
a woman, you are going to have those emotions. And
if you're being told by one of your parents that
you cannot have those feelings. When you get to an
older age and you do have those feelings, which again
is inevitable, you're going to have so much internal shame
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if you get upset you think I'm not allowed to
feel this way. To have this idea that you cannot
feel any type of emotion, it's so unhealthy and it's
just bottling it up in a way that it can
never get released in a way which is healthy. It's
healthy to cry, it's healthy to be angry within reason.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, and I think like you should be building resilience
into your kids for sure, but saying man up and
get up falling over is not how you would do that.
See that's for me. It's kind of like, all right,
I want to build resilience in him, but I also
want him to be able to be emotionally healthy. Let's
put this way, right, When when Oscar's older and out
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in the world and you know, dating or whatever I
would love. I would love that he's emotionally available for
a man or a woman, depending on how. You know
what I mean. A line in there he said kill
for your family. But when he said it, it's kind
of like he meant that, you know what I mean?
You know, when you're like, oh, i'd die for you guys,
which I would or I would?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You know? The only way to be masculine is by
by showing violence.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
By showing violence, by showing how fucking strong.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
You are, be more toxic. If you try.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
It can't It can't be good because then what does
he do? This little kid grows up thinking I can't
show emotions. No other man around me can show emotions.
Only women can show There there again is another toxic
thought to think, like, oh, these women are really emotional.
It's like people are emotional, moron, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Dude. I'm so thankful that I grew up in a
household where my mum didn't just allow, but encouraged any
type of emotion. And it's a bit like when Maley
was being nervous about her dance. You know, if I
was to say to her, you can't be nervous, You're
not allowed to be nervous, be strong, don't let the
nerves come through. You're allowed to feel that way.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Your emotions should be validated totally. Like same thing with
Oscar yesterday, right for jiu jitsu. He gets nervous every class,
and I said, you're allowed to be nervous, but you
know what, when you finish, then you're gonna be happy.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Imagine if you said to Oscar, men don't get nervous. Yeah,
if you get nervous, you're not a man. No, that's
how fucking dangerous is that?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
But that's previous generations, right, This guy's just continuing this
this idea of like men go It's like when someone
comments on a man doing something like men used to
go to war.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
But I also think his approach to his daughter is
also I don't agree with it either, with the idea
that in order to raise a daughter that's going to
be a woman is all you have to do is
just give her exactly what she wants and she's going
to be a princess.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, because then what is she going to grow up
with that mentality and go into the real world where
you don't just get what you fucking want?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah? What resilience a you're building with your daughter, Like,
it's so detrimental to both genders.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Let's say this, right, in ten years time, ask him
the same question when he's got a teenage daughter that
he's given everything that she's ever wanted. Right, Let's see
what he says. Then.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Also, you look at the comments in that video. There
are so many people who are like he here. I
agree absolutely, men should never show emotion unless someone's died,
Like that's the only case where they can show emotion.
It's like, oh my fucking god, dude, not to sit
here and judge other people and how they parent. But
I think when it's being done in a way that
is so dangerous, you've got to say something.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
You've got to break the cycle of this. Anyway, it's
an interesting question because I have been thinking about it
a lot, because I mean, my kids are getting to
the a share room. They spend a lot of time together.
You know what siblings are like, nothing ever ends happily,
They're always playing, and then the only time it ever
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ends is someone's crying. Then I go, we should stop this.
It's getting bit because someone's going to get someone's going
to get hurt. They don't give a fuck about that.
And I was starting to think about the way that
my parent Oscar, especially when he's interacting with MACI, who's
a girl, and it led to a lot of anxiety
for me of late. So I went I booked in
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to pick up my therapy again, and I had been
slack on it because I've been busy, which that's no excuse,
because I was trying to stop the interaction altogether with
each other because I knew where it was going to
end up in a tears or I would have to
get upset.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Give me an example of an interaction where you I've
got to step in here and separate.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
If they're if they're just if they're just engaging in
any activity together, just say they're playing snakes and ladders. Yep,
really good example. It's all fun and games until one
of them is a little bit upset about something that's happened,
and then it's like it's it can be you know, teasing.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Or like one's winning more than the other.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
It makes me hit Oscar this morning. Yeah, after they
were playing, just hit him and I was like, just
keep your hands to yourself. So this was happening and
I was getting to the point where I would hear
them interact whatsoever, and I'd have this sense of dread.
I recall vividly I was in my room. It was
early they share a room, and I heard them interacting
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with something like doing something, and my heart rate was
through the roof, like I couldn't work out, And I
was anxious because I knew what the end result would be,
which is someone's gonna cry. I'm gonna have to step in,
and it's going to ruin my day already because I'm
going to get crank. And I was just feeling so
anxious about it because I heard a couple of times
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how Oscar was talking to Macy and I was like, fuck,
that sounded like me, and I was like, that's not good.
He thinks he can talk to her like I can
talk to him when he's doing the wrong thing. That's
what he thinks. So it led to me thinking about, like, Okay,
well how do I parent this boy? Because he's getting older,
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he's getting you know, he's getting more inquisitive. He's lots
of questions and starting to mimic things that he sees.
And I was like, well, I want I want to
build resilience in him as well as being able to
be a good nurturing parent. But then also I don't
want him to be scared of me when something goes wrong,
because then he won't bring things to me when he
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really needs me the most. And I was really struggling
mentally with that, with what's right and what's wrong, and
it made me think about, like, you know, what my
dad was like and what his dad was like, and
I don't want to shit on my dad and my
dad's dad. Here. Progressively, through generations, fathers and sons have
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gotten closer. So like I remember when my grandfather died
and my dad said to me, I don't remember the
last time I hugged my father. That's what he said
to me, And he goes, can we not be like that?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah? And that's the thing. Like my dad and his
dad they would swap pleasantries and they were it wasn't
like they weren't at each other in front of us
and stuff like that. But I know that Pop would
come down so hard on Dad. And then when I
was sort of growing up growing up in my house,
Dad and I were closer than that. But also as well,
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the given opportunity, he would come down on me as
hard as he could. And I reflected with my therapist
about a situation that happened when I was a teenager,
and I was like, Oscar, really hard on myself when
I didn't get something right, okay, And I remember I
was cooking eggs in the kitchen. This is very basic
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cooking and I'm a teenager, and obviously the pan was
too hot because I'm a teenager, and I got really
angry with myself. No one else but my parents heard
me from another room, and Dad had a crack at
me about it. Right, He had an absolute dig at
me about nothing really when I think about it. And
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Mum had a dig at him, saying, you're just looking
for You're just looking for something to have a go
at him about that's what you're doing to him. And
I never really thought anything of it until now I've
got Oscar, and I'm like, am I looking for a
reason to discipline? To discipline instead of instead of I'm
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doing what I don't want to do, which is what
I want to I want him to respect me, not
fear me. And I also don't want to be like
my knee jerk reaction here is just to have a
dig at you, and like, he gets so angry with
himself with things, and I physically have to stop myself
from getting angry with him being angry, and it was
getting to the point where I was like, I need
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to change this.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I also think it's the age when you look at
like Marley's six, right, and they're at a point now
where they are being really independent, so much more than
what they were before. Like they can get dressed themselves,
they can feed themselves, they can make decisions on their own,
and so you're seeing them in a sense that they're
little adults. But at the same time, that's six. They
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are so young.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Oh I know. And that's the thing, right this, I
would get so anxious, My heart rate would be so
high before anything even happened, right, And then my immediate
response is to just come down on Oscar. Why because
he just reminds me of my fucking self. And I'm like,
and I said to my therapist, I said, I don't
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want I don't want to be in a situation where
April's got to have a dig at me because I'm
trying to find a way to have a dig at
my son. That's not parenting.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
And what did your therapist say she validated it.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
That's exactly what she did. She validated it and said, okay, well,
next time he's starting to feel like that. The kids
are interacting because their kids, they're going to play together.
They love each other so much, and Oscar is so
good to his sister. But she was like, next time
you're starting to feel just say to April, I'm starting
to feel a little bit anxious, take a deep breath
and think about a different way that you can approach it.
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Don't just do it. And that would be my reaction, right.
And I really hit me hard the other day. And
I know I left you guys a voice message where
I was joking about Macy's bottom lip, but it fucking
hit me like a ton of bricks, men, because I
was coming down on something that the way that Macy
was talking to her mum, and I've come from the
other room flying in instead of coming in and being like, hey, what,
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like why do you why are you talking to your
mom like this? We don't talk to you like that.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
You talk like that, that's rude.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Because I didn't. I found myself standing over her and
the lip quivered and I had to ease it back
because I was like, this is wrong.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
But also just know that I do that all the time.
I know you're not. It's not an isolated case for
yourself to react that way and to let let yourself
try and discipline with the knee jerk reaction of being
frustrated and when it to come down hard, I think
every parent reacts in the same way.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, and I think there's going to be some instances
where it's gonna be warranted. And we talk, we joke
about a lot here is like why do I have
to yell at my kids to get them to listen?
And other parents out there listening to this right now
know how frustrating that is, because it is. And you
get to the point where you're just like, I've got
to yell here or nothing's going to happen. But for me,
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I'm like, okay, that's fine, but I don't want them
to fear me. Yeah, there's a really thin line here
where I'm like, okay, where can I be a leader
and they can respect what I say? And I say, hey, guys,
stop it, and they go, okay, well that's it. That's
you know, yeah, And where's the line where it's like
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they hear me coming and it's like I remember, I
remember as a kid, you know you get scared.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Well, did I hear the cutlery drawer like Russell? And
You'd be like, and I wouldn't want to misbehave because
I didn't want to get hit with the wooden spoon.
That's how like I behaved off the back of fear
of the repercussions of trouble.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
And I want I don't want them to just be
I just don't want them to fear me. Because the
look in Macy's eye and I don't come down on
it very often, but she was very rude and I
and I there's a better way of me for me
to do it, but the look in her eye made
me think, I come down on Oscar all like this
all the time. What sort of damage is that going
to do to him? So I was really wrestling with
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that that it was. It was I was getting anxious
and then I was getting depressed with the outcome, yeah,
and trying to suppress that again. And it was like
I need to pick up my therapy again because it
just and I've spoke to you about this before, it
just spirals for me into alcoholic depressive episodes. Of days
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and days on end of me trying to just suppress
it and act like it didn't happen, and it was.
It just got to the point where I remember it
was very early in the morning and they started to
just talk and I was like, it was like a
pit in my stomach, my heart, I was sweating. April
was at the gym and I was like, I can't
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do this anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
But like, credit to you having the self awareness to
be like I am struggling, Like this is something that
I'm not coping with right now. Because there are so
people out there who would just continue parenting in that
way of the cycle of wanting to have their kids
fear them. I think that is the easiest way to parent,
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but also the least beneficial to grow up to have
a really healthy relationship with your kids.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, and I know, like we said, we joke about it,
and we joke about like I can we're giving advice.
I can be I can be erratic. I think, like,
look that I'm gonna yell, I'm gonna be erratic, but
I need to I need to balance that out with
being able to treat Oscar with a little bit more,
a bit more nurturing.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, that makes sense, No, it does. Lola, who's four,
she's probably like the naughtiest, Like Marley, is a bit
of a stickler for following the rules. Yeah, And at
the other morning, Laura was out the door pretty early
and Lola woke up. Laura was already gone, and Lola
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always has like a morning cuddle with Lorda, that's how
she starts the day. Because she couldn't have that, It's
like a coffee literally, and so she was just so
upset the fact that there was no Laura. She didn't
get a chance to say goodbye, I didn't have that
that cuddle. So she was just having a tantrum over everything,
to the point where I gave her a week bix.
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She wanted to do the honey but I didn't know that,
so I poured her honey on the wheat bis and
she just was hysterical, crying, like drueling because she was
crying so much. I was so close to being like
this is fucking ridiculous. Yeah, I'm not going to have this.
You're not going to react. It's we're talking about honey
here on your breakfast, And the way that you're reacting
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is completely silly, because my biggest fear is I don't
want her to think that she's allowed to react to
that situation, which doesn't warrant how she's behaving. My fear
is that if I if I allow her to do
it one, then she'll do it. She'll react in the
same way to other situations.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, she's like, I know what I can I can
know what I can do here, and I can just
cry that's it.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, and I'll melt down and I'll just get what
I want. So I was my initial reaction was I
need to like discipline it because she's behaving in a
way which is really silly, and I I'm I'm going
to try a different tact to how I would normally parent.
And you gave her a hug. Yeah, and it's what
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she needed.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
It's crazy because you don't in that moment you think,
like you said, You're like, you're like we sort of
think that they're way more autonomous than they actually are,
and we think way And April said it to me before,
she has said you you are putting too much pressure
on him. He doesn't he doesn't have the regulation, regulatory
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systems and say with Macy that we have it we
just because we just think that they should. And yeah,
that the problem here was that I'm not you had
that thought. I wasn't even having that thought, like it
was getting worse. So it was like, yeah, I needed
I needed someone to say to me, Okay, well, why
don't you tell me how you're feeling right now and
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then take what i'd take, take this session out to
the world with you, and instead of knee jerk reaction
to stop whatever's happening, just take a deep breath and
think about, like, what else could I do here? Maybe
I could maybe I could get them to decide themselves
of what they should should not be doing.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Is going to pick up on the fact that you
change how your parents be like, ash, what's going on
with you doing? But we talk about trying to regulate
our emotions. Yeah, I did have a little moment where
I didn't regulate them very well. When have you ever
had a situation where you've been riding your ear bike
and a cars kind of come out at you?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Oh? Yeah, have you?
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I was leaving my house down and down the road
not far from my driveway. It's a little apartment complex
and there's often cars are coming going it's a very
busy apartment complex. And I had Marley had Lola in
the back of the eby, like, oh, whenever I see
a car that's merging on, like, I always dry pretty slow.
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The e bike is a bit of a like Dad's
e bike. You know, Maximum'm going twenty k's an.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Now, yeah, that's not that much.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, I see a car merging on, I'm just pretending
like they're not going to be able to see me.
So I kind of have my hand hovering over the break.
And then as I got closed, I was like, yeah,
this guy's not going to see me. He's pulled out
in front of me. Oh god, and I swear and
I missed him.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Oh god, a little bit hairy? He was hairy or
the situation. The situation good to know, Harry Shoulders.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
There was a bear driving the van. He's like, so
I stopped in front of him and I, you know,
I did the look over the shoulder.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
And it's the international sign for OI.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah yeah, and I kind of I went both hands up,
come on, what's that what's that about? Hey, what's that
about doing? And he looked at me and what I
was expecting was like hand up apology. So sorry, and
he then gestured me to keep like keep going.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Come on back like this, yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Carry on, get out of here, shoeing me away.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
That's more hand signals I've got from any driver in BONDI,
if I'm honest.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
We were speaking in sign language here. I was like
what about this? And he's like yeah at that point
and I was like, I was like what what? In
my head, I was.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Like, he might as well flip you off.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, well do. I was like, hey, buddy, I got
two kids on the back. You've just pulled out in
front of.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Me driving there's a white van. Did he have puppies
in there?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
And I was like, you just pulled down in front
of me. Dude, like come on, and he goes fuck off,
gave me the finger.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Should I have regulated my emotions? Yes? I should? Yes?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Should I?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
No? I did not?
Speaker 1 (39:49):
How did this go down?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
And I was like, are you fucking serious? I was like,
you're going to flip me off? Mate? I've got a
four and a six year old on the back of
my bike. You're not even paying attention to the road.
You pulled out in front of me. You pulled out
in front of me without saying sorry, you're telling me
to then fuck off? Are you kidding? And he was like, mate, Jesus,
move on, mate, there's nothing in it. What are you doing?
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And I was like I was youwie?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Oh yeah yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
And I was like learn how to fucking drive power?
And he was like all right, oh mate, yeah, good one,
good one. The kids were kind of like what do
we do?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Dad?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Is everything okay? And he then just like sped off
going past me, and I was like, oh, get you?
And I was so angry. And then I look up
to my left. Oh no, my neighbor, the family down
the road walking with their prayers, and I was like, hid.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
How many f bunds did you drop in there? Though?
I love three?
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah? Yeah, I think it was three.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Look, I don't mind that. I was serious, yeah, and
I was warranted again, did you explain to the girls
that she washed the limit?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I think Hannah across the road was like, he almost
hit you, and I was like, thank you always did?
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Okay, Yeah, I think your reaction is fine. I would
have flicked rong gosh, smashing windows and.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
The kids were like what was that about, Daddy, and
I was like nothing, nothing, we're late for school.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Oh, my god, it's rude. But I look, I probably
would have reacted the same way as a lot of
like it's hard to.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I wish you, wish you're with me.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
What he said. Yeah, Ash, it's my favorite time of
the year because summer, because summer and summertime in Australia
brings what the heat. Very good, very good. I see
what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I'm trying to avoid not I.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Know you you. I feel like you are one of
the later comers to the Christmas spirit. Yes, it takes
a while. You're like a big old machine that we
have to wind up.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
It's like.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
It does take me a lot to get in the spirit,
and we get there and like eventually a lot Christmas
Christmas Eve, like finally we got him there. He's like
fall to the room with Christmas spirit and then it's
time for Christmas. But I I peak early.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
You are very she has said that to me before.
You do love Christmas.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Easter too.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
I do like Easter, but for me it's a close one.
Halloween is great, but Christmas, I mean it's hard to beat.
It is hard to beat. What's not to love except
go on? When you have a Christmas fail.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I love that. See that part of Christmas? Anything awkward
I'm all about.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Are you the Christmas Grinch?
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yes? Now we did ask people on socials for their
Christmas fails, chaos stories, anything that happened.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
That's somewhat funny to him because I think people go
into Christmas with great intentions. No one plans to have
a fail. No, I'm aware of not there's a diabolical
but I think when you're juggling multiple family members, when
you're you're juggling multiple dishes as well, and especially with
the Australian summer, the heat adds to the stress of it,
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all mistakes abound to happen. It's unavoidable. Yes, Ash, I
can't help. But notice you are currently eating a gingerbread
men that has no arms, has one leg.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah, that's from Aldi. It's delicious, hence only one leg.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Let look, I guess I guess you could say, go on,
it's Christmas, treat yourself.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
That's going to be my motto this year. Anything do it,
don't hold back from Audi and a shout out to
AUDI because they are actually sponsoring this segment matter. That's
why I've got this delicious food ash.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
It's time for Christmas fails. Nadina has written in and
she says her Chris was fail that she described as
a true disaster. Go on, everyone sat down for Christmas lunch.
My uncle. It's always the uncle.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
I know it is. It's so much easier to blame
the uncle too.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
My uncle popped the cork of the champagne, hit the
fluoro light above the table and smashed it, covering every
single plate of food in smashed glass.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
And those things explode to the fluorescent lights. Shit everywhere.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
What do you do there? Do you just just eat it?
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Well, you can't surely know there's gonna be some sort
of chemical in it. Oh no, there's more.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
All they could do was make sandwiches for Christmas lunch. Ah,
stay with whatever was left over in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Oh so sad.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Imagine the uncle.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Sorry, guys, and you'd feel horrible.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
You might cheese sandwich.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Because usually what would happen with families, right, correct me
if I'm wrong, outside of family coming in together to
break together, they will will bring a dish or that
you're in charge of the meat. You're in charge of that,
And all of a sudden, Uncle Bob, who's rang nothing.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
He's like, hey, everyone married Christians.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
And he didn't even buy the champagne. He was like,
let's get this party started.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I'll see myself out.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I would never go back. He's not invited next year.
Apparently that mine's from Alice. Alice writes it was our dog,
Alan Rickman's.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
That sounds like such a movie name.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Who gives the dog a last name, like a prominent
last name, puppy's name? This one on that because that's funny.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Nathan Christiensen.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
It was our dog, Alan Rickman's first Christmas with us,
and we were at my parents' house. They were having
thirty or so people over for Christmas. That's too many,
thirty or so people over for Christmas morning breakfast what
and had brought seven packets of around thirty croissants the
day before. Oh no, we left the dog alone in
(46:13):
the house for an hour in the afternoon of Christmas Eve,
Alan not Alan Rickman, and he proceeded to get into
all of the croissants. He ate every single one and
then markets seven packets.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
It's dog alive.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
That's gonna be a world record. He ate every single
one of them, and then to follow up took a
giant poo under the Christmas tree on top of all
the presents. It also only seemed to be on my
dad's presence, which was amazing.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
But.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Needless to say, he was kept outside for literally shitting
all over Christmas. And there's a really sad it's a
Jack Russell too. Can just imagine that it's not even
a big dog? Thirty chryssans. Yeah, wow, did he at
least heat them up before he had it?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
I'm far out that is? That makes you feel so
much better about the Christmas fails that I've had. Oh,
for God's sake, what are you eating now? Okay? Okay?
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Apple? Stolen and gingerbread?
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Man?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Apple? What sorry?
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Stolen from?
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Who?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Very good? From? Aldi? Good? Different?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
This is the last one, okay, jess right. A few
years ago, my mother in law told everyone that we
were doing Chris Kringle. However, she told everyone that they
had her in the Chris Kringle. So Christmas Day she
opens presents from everyone and no one else gets a
single present. Her excuse was that the mother should be
(47:45):
spoiled on Christmas.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
That's psychotic. Evil is evil?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Fuck you all.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
I low key like that, though, I think like wow
at what point surely, because you know how you're like,
you're not meant to tell anyone who you got, but
you do anyway. Yeah, Like I was like, who you
got and you're like, I'm not telling her. It's like
we're married, you have to tell me. It's like, oh god,
I got your mum. Surely they worked out and be
like I know I've got her too, and then she's
(48:14):
got every bresent.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
It's genius.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
It is genius.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
It's genius.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
I think that's good gear. Also good gear.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
This food you at the Stolens. If you have a
Christmas veil, we would love to have it on the podcast.
You can send it in at Two Doting Dads on
social media or on email.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Go on it's Christmas.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
I thought you're going to say the email address hello.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
Hello at Two Doting Dads dot com on it's Christmas.
Aldi good different. If you've enjoyed this episode, please like
I have. I've enjoyed it, then you can please leave. Matt.
Oh well, I'll let you do the begging.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Please the love of God.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
You're trying all different types of baking.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
How can I approach this one? I look, I would
I'll play this one like a bit like a nonchalant. Yeah,
I was gonna say that word was I don't know
how to say that word properly. Nonchalant. Non I've been
A review would be good, I guess if.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
You want, you don't have to. If you want, I
might read it. If it's there, you don't have to.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
I mean, five stars if that's what you're into.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
Whatever, How was that? That's good? Yeah? Otherwise, you can
join us on socials Two Doting Dads, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook
and YouTube.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
That's it for now everything. Let's get out of here.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Okay, I'm sorry, Bye bye bye. Two Doting Dads podcast
acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia and the
connections to land, see and community.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
We pay our respects to their elders past and present
and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestraight Islander
people's today. This episode was recorded on gadagal Land
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