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December 1, 2025 30 mins

A former U.S. soldier who fought in Afghanistan joins Joe Pags to break down the shocking case of an Afghan asylee accused of shooting two National Guard members in Washington, D.C. — killing one.

Mark Lucas served alongside Afghan units and says what no one in Washington wants to admit: many of the evacuees brought into the U.S. after the Afghan withdrawal are simply unvettable. He explains why the vetting system failed, how dangerous individuals slipped through, and why the United States may need to pause Afghan asylum programs immediately.

Joe and Mark also dive into the jaw-dropping political fallout:
— the breakdown in trust between the military and the government
— the six Members of Congress who told troops to ignore “illegal orders” from the President
— and what this could mean for national stability as tensions rise.

This is one of the most urgent national-security conversations you’ll hear anywhere.

In this episode:
• Afghan asylee accused of killing National Guard soldier
• America’s failed vetting system exposed
• Why Afghan refugees are “unvettable,” according to combat vets
• Calls to halt Afghan asylum and SIV programs
• Border crisis, terrorism concerns, and national security warnings
• Military vs. political leadership — a growing divide
• Congress members telling troops to reject “illegal orders”
• What America must do to prevent another attack

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