December 11, 2025 • 33 mins
Dr. Scott Jensen joins Joe to break down the MASSIVE fraud scandal rocking Minnesota — and why he believes it was simply too big, too organized, and too obvious for Gov. Tim Walz not to know what was happening.
Jensen details:
• How the Minnesota fraud networks actually operated
• The Somali community elements involved
• What the “Feeding Our Future” scandal really exposed
• Why leadership ignored the red flags
• How political protection helped the fraud explode
• Who benefited — and who looked the other way
• Why the media won’t touch key parts of the story
• What this means for Minnesotans heading into 2026
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Minnesota is in the spotlight, and it's not really for
a good reason. But I think there is a silver
lining here. And I tell you what I mean after
I introduce my next guest, doctor Scott Jensen. He is,
of course a physician, he's also a government a candidate
for governor. I should say, got a book, got called
We've Been Played, Exposing to try out of Tyranny. Scott,
how are you going to see again?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Douc Joe.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
It's good to be on and I'm doing well, but
obviously Minnesota is not. And the book I wrote three
years ago, We've Been Played, talks about the tryad of tyranny,
what happens when government colludes. And I think we're seeing
this with Tim Walls in Minnesota and people are flabbergasts
that they're saying, how in the devil could this happen?
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And I think when you get a person like Tim
Walls in a position where he can absolutely run roughshod
over all three legislative branches, all three, if you will,
political branches, the executive office, the legislative branch, as well
as even his powerful impact.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
On thejudicial branch.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I mean, he has friends in the judicial sector of government.
That have donated to his campaigns. So Tim Walls has
a lot of consolidated power and he uses that. And
that's why I've said so clearly I think Tim Walls
is involved in a major cover up.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, I don't disagree with you, and a lot of
what's coming out right now is absolutely flabbergasting is a
good word. But Doc, I do think there's a silver lining.
I'll explain that in a minute. Let's get down to
the nitty gritty. Why are there so many Somalians in Minneapolis,
Saint Paul, Minnesota when the weather is nowhere near what
it's like in the eastern coast of Africa. Why were
they brought there? Was this Obama? Was there some other
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reason that Minnesota is attractive. I don't think they decided
in Somalia, Let's go to Minneapolis, Saint Paul, Minnesota. Somebody
brought them there.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Now, you're absolutely right, and the progression actually started in
the nineteen nineties, and it's really it's not as complicated
as people might think. Frankly, people came in Minnesota. We've
got several faith based organizations that have been quite aggressive
about trying to make certain refugees have a place to come,
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and so Somalians came to Minnesota, and I think there
were a lot of programs available to help ease their assimilation.
On top of that, what happens is after the first
wave of immigrants come, frequently, the next wave wants to
go to an area where perhaps some people who know
them best, speak their language have already gone, and so
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to speak, trail blazed some pathways. And so we started
to see Minnesota become a real, if you will, melting
pot for East African immigrants. And we saw it from Somalia, Somaliland, Ethiopia,
and it just grew and grew, so that I do
believe that Minnesota is probably the largest Somali community in
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the nation.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Had well, it is by a lot. I mean, I
think it's like eightfold more than anybody else. So great answer,
But you and I both know that in Somalia it's
being run by a bunch of ten terrorists. It's not
a country like ours, It's not anything like Minnesota. Are
the people, generally speaking, because you probably have them in
your practice, are they trying to acclimate because it seems
as though a lot of them, from elon Omar on
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down have no problem with fraud and scamming and lying
and marrying your brother and you know, stealing billions of
dollars in aid. Are the general population of Somalians like
they were in Somalia or are they trying to become
Minnesotans because the ones that we're hearing about aren't doing
good things.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I think it's a mix, to be sure, But I
think that the people that are probably least inclined to
assimilate are the people that have found their way into
some sort of a power circle. The every day Somalian
who's trying to eke out a living, raise their children,
put a roof over their head, and food in their
tummies and take care of their kids. These people are
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desperately working to assimilate. I've been having lunch with one
fellow for the last seven years, and he started out
with his own company doing a lawn service. Then from
the lawn service, he added landscaping. Then he hired a
few employees. The Allians definitely want to be independent business people,
and they want to follow the pathway of other immigrant groups,
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other ethnic groups. I was blessed to have the opportunity
to work with so many Southeastern Asian folks who came
over in the late seventies, in the eighties after the
Vietnam War, people from Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, and these
people benefited from our programs are if you will, our
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support programs, and they got off of them as soon
as they could. I think at some level, Joel, the
thing that we haven't talked about is in Minnesota, we
have a multitude a multitude of entitlement programs, support programs,
and we're not asking ourselves are they working? Are they
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accomplishing their mission? If we have all these pro in
place and we're spending more money than almost any other state,
at some level we have to say are we helping
these folks in their transition or are we hurting it.
There was a defense attorney who in the New York
Times article about ten days ago, he said, listen.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
He said, some of these folks had the.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Best of intentions. They were going to try to follow
the law and do it normally, but it was just
so darned easy.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
He said.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It was like the cookie jar was full and they
could steal money from it and nobody asked questions. They
just refilled the cookie jar. And I think that's where
Tim Walls and frankly, every Minnesota has a right to say,
what's going wrong in Minnesota? How do we spend so
much money and not expect these programs to perform? A
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program starts out at two and a half million dollars
two and a half million, and it goes to over
one hundred million and three years and nobody's watching the store.
Another program starts out at five million, and in three
or four years it's four hundred million. Nobody would stop
at the holiday gas station to buy a diet coke
that they expected to pay three dollars and when the
clerk says that would be four hundred dollars there, yeah,
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they'd faint. They'd say, you can have your damn diet coke?
And what the devil happened? That's what should have happened
in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I'm with you a little. Let me tell people who
you are again. It's doctor Scott Jensen. He's a family physician,
Minnesota governor joh candidate. I hope that you become the governor.
He's got a book out call We've been played, exposing
the tryaud of tyranny. I want to get into that
full throat at in a moment. Fraudster's sold over over
a billion dollars from medicaid. We're hearing about two five
eight billion dollars missing from adult daycare, allegedly from feeding
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everybody that never got fed doc? How does this get
so out of control? And is there any way that
Tim Walls could not have known this was happening.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I don't think there's any way that Tim Walls could
not have known. I do think a critical question is
what did he know when? When did he know it?
And when did he actively start to cover it up?
When did he start to tell hundreds of his employees
to shut up. He's not interested in having their whistle
blow activities take place. He squashed them. How much data
has been deleted? Why has Tim Walls been unwilling to
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release data when asked for it. It's pretty clear from
a timeline that in the early part of twenty twenty,
the Minnesota Department of Education realized there was a tremendous,
exorbitant increase and agencies that wanted to be involved in
collecting money to feed our kids.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
That was when they first knew about it.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Now, did they do anything worthwhile or what a typical
business person would do in the first few months, No,
they didn't. They just dragged their feet. But it wasn't
until twenty twenty one that the FBI was brought in
in the spring, and then in twenty two. In twenty
twenty two, in September, when the FBI started to issues
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and get some of its indictments, that was when you
saw Tim Walls all of a sudden try to grab
the stage and say, well, yep, here we are. We
know we investigated, we had a lot of the heavy lifting,
and we've turned it over to the FBI and to
the US attorney. That was absolutely a crock of crap.
They didn't do any of that. Tim Walls tried to
run a victory lab. And in twenty twenty two you
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had Judge Gouthman say when Tim Wall said, well, you know,
we would have stopped the payment sooner, but the judge
told us we had to keep on making the payments.
The judge came out in an unprecedented action and said
Tim Walls is not telling the truth. So then Tim Walls, So,
then Tim Wall says, what you wish? The judge is
not going to stay quiet. I'm going to have to
find someone else. So then he blames the FBI, and
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the FBI said, we never told you that you had
to keep making fraudulent payments. Tim Walls has been willing
to blame anybody, and this is his modus operandi. But
the bottom line is they did nothing. And I think
people have to ask the next question, why why would
the governor of Minnesota be so hell bent on letting
fraud just bubble up and continue? And I think the
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answer lies in what would it have taken If Tim
Walls had done the normal thing, had demanded accountability, it
would have put his voting blocks at risk. He did
not want to jeopardize the fact that he's got these
minority voting blocks that the Democrats have been able to
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count on for years, and that was more important to
Tim Walls than truth and justice. And on top of that,
I think Tim Walls is a very ambitious governor. He
wants to go up the ladder as much as he can.
So voting blocks matter, virtue signaling matter, and quite frankly,
if Tim Walls thought he could get away with it.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Easy, pasy.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Doug, let let me ask you this, because this is
all very well said. Now I'm following you, and I
trust that what you're saying is the case. First of all,
Tim Walls is not going to go anywhere. He was
such a fool as the vice presidential nominee. I think
he's done. The fact that he's running for reelection in
Minnesota really does give me pause because I fear he
might win. But you're talking about vote blocks, and I
take you at your word when you say most Simonians
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want to be part of the American culture. They want
to be a melting pot, they want to acclimate. So
this is just a small percentage of people that are
doing all this fraud. There is no voting block out
there that wants to vote yes on fraud. So how
is it that he would alienate them? Would he look
like the hero or the star if he said I'm
going to stop the fraud. I can't believe this happened.
This is Minnesota's money, this is American taxpayer's money. I'm
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going to be your hero. Why wouldn't he do that?
Why would he be complicit or complacent?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's a great question, and I think the point that
needs to be made is between even now, after ten, fifteen,
twenty twenty five years, fifty to seventy five percent of
the Somali community in Minnesota is on one program or
another in regards to free stuff, whether it's healthcare, SNAP.
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So even though we've had this population with us for
twenty to thirty years, you still have over half getting
free stuff. I was running in twenty twenty two. There
were rumors that I was never able to verify them.
But there were rumors that Democrats would go out and
frighten the Simali people, saying, if you don't vote for
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Tim Walls, you might not be able to get this
apartment at a discounted rate, you might not be able
to get healthcare, you might not be able to get
food stamps or SNAP program. So I think that even
though there's a tremendous number ten twenty thousand Somalis that
want to be able to dream dreams and go out
and build businesses, there is absolutely somewhere between thirty and
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sixty thousand Somalis on programs they do not want to
see go away. And Tim Walls hasn't connected the program
with the mission of the program, because that's pivotal. If
you're going to be spending taxpayer dollars, you've got to
make sure that when you pass a program, you know
what you wanted to do, and then you've got to
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measure it to make sure that it's doing what you
said it would do.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
That's not happening.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Doctor Scott Jensen. He is, of course, family physician. He's
also running for governor of the Great State of Minnesota.
His book is called We've Been Played, Exposing the Triad
of Tyranny. Okay, so what you just said, it's not
the first time I've heard that that people in the Somalia,
the Somalian community in Minneapolis, Saint Paul, have been strong
armed into voting one certain way or else you'll lose. This, This, this,
and this. That's electioneering. It's illegal, that's paid to play.
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None of that's okay. Now, again, you're not the first
person who's told me this has happened. The FBI is aware,
I'm guessing of these allegations. The FEC I would think
would be aware, the Federal Elections Commission, Why is anybody
doing anything about it? Again, this isn't just a rumor anymore.
We've got anecdotal people like you, but others who are
actually from that community going this really happened. James O'Keefe
went in there and did an investigation about collecting ballots
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and paying for ballots in that community in Minnesota. Doc,
why can't anybody stop this? It's illegal.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
As soon as anybody brings it up there said to
saying they're spreading this in for they're conspiracists, racists, they're racists,
they're insensitive. I mean literally in Minnesota, word policing is
become an art form.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And there's words virtually every week that are all of
a sudden taken off the list of what can be said.
I mean, I've almost wanted to have people send me
a list every month of Okay, what other words I'm
not supposed to use this month. This is where Minnesota's at.
And the only thing that's really blown the lid off
of this, Joe is the national media. It hasn't been
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local media. It's been the fact that national media has
been covering it. The White House has gotten involved. We've
got Scott Beiscent talking about it, We've got other people
talking about We've got the irs trying to follow some
of these trails of where do the dollars go? There's
a lot of Minnesotans who would not believe that more
than fifty thousand dollars were donated from these fraudsters to
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elect officials in Minnesota. Now that that's come out, we've
got all these elected officials like Keith Ellison clamoring saying, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
We paid it back.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
We weren't willing to take those dollars. Well, the fact
of the matter was Keith Ellison had a group of
Somali people in his office. He let them know that
he was going to cover their back. It was after
that that he got thousands of dollars of donations. So
it has to beg the question, are there dollars out
there sequestered in bank accounts, whether offshore or not, that
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people can still tap into that are composed of Minnesota
taxpayer dollars. Because if that's the case, then we have
the potential that this isn't just a cover up. Then
we have the potential that there's an ongoing, active, paid
a play scheme going on. And I think we have
an obligation to ask are there elected officials involved in this?
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And people sometimes say, Doc, you're going down a rabbit
hole here. That's exactly what happened in nineteen seventy two
when Watergate building was broken into people said, well, this
will never amount to anything, whatever, whatever, whatever. Two years
later we had the president of the most powerful country
in the world resigning in order to avoid being impeached.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Absolutely, Doctor Scott Jensen. Go follow doctor Scott Jensen dot com.
It's d R. Scott Jensen dot com. Get the book
called We've Been Played Exposing the Triad of Tyranny. Had
Liz Collin on last week and she gave me some
great insight into all this fraud that's happening in Minnesota.
And somebody actually called the show yesterday, Doc and said,
the local media actually covered this thing. Are you starting
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to see the local legacy media going we can't really
ignore this stuff anymore. Right now, Minnesota's on the national
stage and we don't say something, we're going to be
looked at as who we've been for the past five
six years. Is the local media starting to catch on
to this or are they still giving cover to what
Wallas is doing, what Elison's doing.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
There's no question the local media is stepping up. There's
one media source called the Minnesota Reformer, who is that.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
If you will.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Organization has been identified as being pretty hard left at times,
but they've come out and they've asked, Okay, Tim Walls,
are you going to take responsibility? There have been some
very thoughtful articles that have come out of that agency,
asking hard questions, and I think what's happened is that
has caused other news organizations to say we better step
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up to the table. So it may feel like it
was on a slow track, but it is encouraging I
think to a lot of Minnesotans that we're starting to
see the Minnesota media step up say hold it, this
is not okay.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Tim Walls.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Acknowledge where you went wrong, tell us what you're going
to do to fix it, and don't just try to
blow aviate and throw you know, bs status.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
We want to know what are you really going to
do to solve it.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Because right now, I think, right frankly, we've got politicians
on both sides of the aisle using this issue to
try to run victory laps for things that they didn't earn.
This fraud has been going on for more than just
during COVID. This was prior to COVID. We saw this
when I was in the Senate. We saw it with
the daycare program, we saw it with Tim Walls moving
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people latterly to get him out of the limelight if
they weren't doing their job. There was one situation where
an Inspector General was literally ignoring the input coming to
her and basically she was put on administrative leaves at
home for months and months and months, was paid tens
of thousands of dollars, and then quietly moved over into
another department where she made one hundred and thirty thousand dollars,
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but she was out of the limelight. There's piece of
evidence after evidence after evidence that shows there has been
an effort, a very skilled effort, to cover this up,
to quiet it down, to shut down any potential whistleblowers.
And it's been going on literally since Tim Walls became
elected governor.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It's doctor Scott Jensen, of course, family position. Go get
his book called We've Been Played Exposing the Triad of Tyranny.
Let me finish up on the Somalian situation, and thanks
for what you just said about the media. I think
you're right on all counts. I know there are a
lot of good Somalians here. My grandfather was an immigrant,
not from Somalia, from Italy, but when he came over,
he wanted to be an American. All of his eight
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children only spoke English, didn't teach him how to speak Italian.
Are you finding as new generations come up in the
Smalian community they want to be more American? And do
you agree with me when I say if more good
people from Somalia stepped up to a microphone and a
camera and said, we aren't represented by what Omar's doing,
by what these seventy eight indicted people did or allegedly
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did in the scam. We're good people, we want to
be Americans, we want to be your neighbors. I almost
feel like we need to have more of them step
up and say that. Do you agree?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I do?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And that was why I went down last Monday, about
nine days ago. They called me and said national news
people are coming out here. And this was before President
Trump had made some of his volatile com and so
they said, when you come down. So I went down
and it was fascinating. The first person I saw that
morning running a Somali business was a woman who runs
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a coffee shop and she said to me, she said,
I don't like what Ilhan Omar says or what she
stands for. Next person I saw said, why don't the
Republicans have a candidate to run against Senator Democrat Senator
Omar Fatae, who had just lost the election for mayor
in Minneapolis. We wanted to know where's the Republican party
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to run a candidate against them. The next person I
saw said, I don't want to be labeled because of
bad Somalis. And I know there are bad Somalis out there,
So they do want to They do want their voice
to be heard and magnified. And I think even programs
like this Joe, where we talk about this, it matters
because we have seen immigrant group after immigrant group come
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to America and make their way. And I think one
of the most successful immigrant stories in Minnesota in my
lifetime was to literally watch the people from Vietnam Laos,
watch the among people, watch the Cambodians, the Ties come
to America, come to Minnesota and become an engine for
our economy. Did they need the programs that we had
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set up for a couple of years, Absolutely, But today
under Tim Walls, our programs are without rudder, They're without accountability.
They blow up from two million to one hundred million,
nobody says the word. They go from five million to
four hundred million, nobody says the word. A quarter of
a billion dollars ago and nobody says the word. And
then when employees Minnesota Department of Human Services try to
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say something, they're squashed. Tim Walls has absolutely allowed this
to happen on his watch. And this hurts Somali people.
This is not helping them, and they know it. We
need to make people that come to our country recognize
that we're not interested in having them come in as
a trojan whores and undermine the American spirit. We're interested
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in having them come to our country help build America.
And I think we need and are entitled to expect
people that come to our country to make some sacrifices,
to assimilate, to learn our language, and to help build America,
build Minnesota, and love our country.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I could not agree more. It's doctor Scott Jensen. Let
me ask you about this guy, Jacob Fry. I mean,
what a fool. This is a guy who I'm calling
him a fool, not you. He obviously went to the
Obama speech pattern school. He talks about Somalians, their fathers
and entrepreneurs and they make the Minneapolis engine run. We
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are Somalions. They are Minneapolis. This guy taking the side
of one culture or one community over everybody else in Minneapolis.
Saint Paul doesn't make sense that he sits down at
some Somali restaurant and funnily, I mean it was humorous.
His face, what he was eating the food was like
it was in pain. But here he is, this guy
is completely selling out to just one segment of that
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of that community and just like leaving everybody else in
the cold. And he's talking about possibly calling nine one
one on ice agents when they come and not working
at all to help law enforcement from the federal government
enforce the law. What do you make of this guy?
Why is he the mayor? I guess the other choice
was really horrible, But why isn't there a Republican or
a conservative or a moderate that's running to be the
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mayor of that great city.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Well, Minneapolis has been a blue city for a long time,
and I think a lot of people are getting fed up.
But I think Jacob Fry represents what's happening to politics,
not just in Minnesota, but I think across our land.
People get elected and they start to have this notion
that this seat, this salary, this position of power, is mine,
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and I'm going to hold onto it regardless of what
i have to do. So we are seeing a gross
level of pandering of licking your finger and holding it
up to see which way the wind's blowing. Today we're
seeing virtue signal, virtue signaling like never before. Jacob Frye
has at times stepped into the fray and made some
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solid decisions, but too often, too often, he is literally
pandering to what's the flavor of the day. And when
he does that, he's not helping Somalia. He's not helping
the Somali folks, and he's not helping Minneapolis. He has
made very few bold steps that are going to help
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restore Minneapolis to be the city it was ten twenty
years ago. Make no mistake about it, Joe, Minneapolis is
in trouble. The streets are empty at night, some of
the busiest nightclub kind of places that previously enjoyed tremendous
energy and population and people.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It's like a desert.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's like a ghost town. Wow, Minneapolis restaurants shutting down.
We've had hundreds of restaurants shut down in Minneapolis over
the last year. I'ctually over the last several years. So
clearly Jacob Fry is going to have to roll up asleep.
He's asked himself what he's made of and start making
the hard decisions that will help Minneapolis get on a
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pathway that brings it back, because right now it's not
happening and he's not helping the Somalis well.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I mean, if I'm somebody who lost my business in
the Summer of Love the George Floyd riots, I wouldn't
come back to Minneapolis. It's not attractive. I don't know
what would attract me to do that. In fact, I
had somebody called the other day who said they were
visiting Minneapolis and they were told by somebody in the
Somalian community, don't wear an American flag shirt to the
Mall of America. Why because people don't like it there.
What is that? That's a very strange thing. I would
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not think of that great American city in those terms,
but I guess you have to. So should you become
the governor, do you work with the mayor of Minneapolis
and other mayors around the state and say, here's how
we can fix it. Here's how we can work as
a coalition to bring this city back to greatness or
do you think he would be even open to that.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I think you would be open to it, because, frankly,
as governor, I would demand it, and I would demand
a level of transparency that just hasn't had happened. I
would tell people, listen, we're going to have these conversations
in front of the media. We are going to collectively
as a state start solving some of these problems. I
think this is why Tim Walls and perhaps others misgauged
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how critical people have been of the new Minnesota flag.
It was that it's smacked of political correctness. It's smacked
of a few small people saying, in regards to the
Minnesota heritage as reflected on the state seal and the
state flag, they just wiped it out. A few people says, no,
we're going to change it. People celebrated our flag because
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it speaks of our past and our president and our future.
It talks challenges that we've had in the past, and
it speaks to our future. People are furious about what
happened to the former Minnesota flag, and it's not because
they're racist or anything else. They respect our heritage. The
fact that as a state we've had challenges and we've
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plowed through them and all of us, all that heritage,
all that history, all that richness, was thrown out the
door because someone said this is politically insensitive. Well, you
know what part of our past is politically flawed, and
it is part of our past. It doesn't go away
just because we want to throw a piece of fabric
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to the sidelines and have something bland and vanilla take
its place.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
That doesn't make any sense. Doctor Scott Jensen, go to
dr Scott Jensen dot com go check out his candidacy
for Minnesota governor. In the time we have remaining four
or five minutes, Doc, let's talk about who the triad is.
We've been played exposing the tryaud of tyranny? Is the book?
Show the book again? If you don't mind, let people
see the book. You got to go and grab this
right now. It's been not for a few years. It's
by doctor Scott Jensen. Who is the triad of tyranny?
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Can you explain who that is? To my audience?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
It bubbled up much like a volcano in the early
twenty twenty and we saw it for the next three
or four years where we saw big government allude with
big pharmacy, and they worked with big Tech to get.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Their message across.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
We saw a synchronization of messaging like never before, an
absolute brainwashing of the American people. You know, this time
we said, if there was one false overarching message that
should never have been put out there, it was do
it for.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Gramma, don't kill Gramma.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
We saw this take place because big tech, big pharma,
and big government said it would. We saw big pharma
make inroads into profitability they never would have been able
to make without big government coming alongside of them. Those
three players crushed individual liberties the American people have been
guaranteed in the Constitution. We've been played. People were told
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things that now are coming out there were absolutely not true.
We had businesses locked down, we had kids locked out
of schools. We had elderly frail people locked in the
nursing home facilities, knowing virtually that they die lonely deaths.
We've been played and the only way that we can
prevent it from happening again, Joe, is by never forgetting.
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And that's why I wrote the book is We've been played,
and there was a triad of tyranny that did it.
It's been fascinating to me to watch President Trump dismantle
some of this with the FDA, with Bobby Kennedy, Marty McCarey,
Jay Bodichari at the NIH. It's been fascinating to watch
the big tech companies step in line and acknowledge that
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what they did was wrong, what they did was unethical attempts.
When they shut people down like Eric Alex Berenson, they're
coming out saying, yeah, we shouldn't have done that. So
I think we're seeing dismantling of this triad and we
need to remember how it came to be.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I couldn't agree more. And I love all the people
that you mentioned. Doctor Ross is involved in that as well.
As we're watching it unfold. Though, you see the massive
pushback by big Pharma, by big control, you know, apparatus.
They don't like it. I mean, they've been attacking Bobby
Kennedy from day one. You shouldn't be in that job.
They're trying to get rid of him, just like they're
trying to get rid of Pete Hegseth. But when it
comes to the health and Human services side of it,
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when it comes to the FDA, when it comes to
the NIH, when it comes to the CDC, when it
comes to HHS. What happens when President Trump, you know,
ends his term and God forbid, somebody who's more left
gets in there. Did they re establish that control again? Doc?
Is there a way to make these changes permanent and
keep on fighting back the trillions of dollars that's being
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invested by big Farmer to keep control. Can this be
long lasting?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I think it can.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
And I think the lesson we learned was actually from
the colonists more than two hundred years ago. If you
look at the uprising that became the American nation, historians
have indicated that the number of colonists that wanted to
rebel against England was probably less than twenty percent. But
through the fights, the battles, and the transparency, literally America
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became a nation where at one point in time, one
hundred percent of its citizens would hold strong to the
flag and to what we represent. I think the lesson
is transparency, the fact that we have people like doctor
Oz and like I said, Marty McCarey, Bobby Kennedy, Jay Bodicharia,
and many others, even Robert Redfield, the former CDC director,
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coming out and saying listen, we should be withdrawing all
the mRNA vaccines. This transparency, you will not be able
to put the genie back in the bottle when we
hear a vaccinologist like doctor Paul Offitt come out acknowledge
and confess that he didn't get the boosters for the
COVID dection. And this is the guy who was saying it.
When we see this happen, they might try to stuff
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the genie back in the bottle again in three four
eight years. I don't think it's going to happen, But
I think jd. Vance is going to be the next
president after Trump anyway, and I think that's going to
give us a chance to continue the open dialogue and
continue to enhance transparency, because it's in transparency and in
every citizen and taking seriously their obligation to be an
engaged American citizen.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
No sitting in the cheap seats.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Every one of us has to walk into the arena
and say I'm going to do my part. Joe John
Kennedy said it many years ago. Ask not what your
country can do for you, but what can you do
for your country?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
The time is now. The time is now.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I agree with you. Last question doc, and I appreciate
how you spell that. Last question has to be this.
People are frustrated because Fauci is still getting four hundred
thousand dollars a year in his pension and just walks
free when this guy lied to us directly into the
camera and lied about everything when it came to how
we were supposed to act to the pandemic. Will anybody
pay the price? Because I think Americans want somebody to
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pay the price for wronging us for that entire period.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I wish I knew the answer, Joe.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I think that Pauci and what he got away with
and some of his colleagues that made millions and millions
of dollars. The amount of profit that Viser made on
the vaccines was enormous. And I remember the pviisor CEO
telling people that they needed to get vaccinated, not for themselves,
but to do it for the next person, to do
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it for grandma. And now we find out they didn't
even have any evidence, no evidence that it would prevent transmission.
There was never any real evidence that would say that
you should divert from what we've always said regarding vaccines.
We tell people to take vaccines to protect themselves. We
don't try to guilt them into taking vaccines and say
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if you don't, you're killing someone else. What was put
upon the American people will go down in history as
one of the darkest biased messages and propaganda that America
ever experienced. This is literally worse than what happened in
the Cold War, and.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
That's probably true. What we're finding out now is just
earth shattering and mind numbing. It is Doctor Scott Jensen
to Dr Scott Jensen dot com. Support him there and
make sure if you're in Minnesota, you gotta consider this guy.
I want him to be your next governor. He's running
for governor of Minnesota. Get the book, also called We've
Been Played Exposing the try out of Tyranny. Doc, thanks
for jumping in the chair on short notice. I really
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appreciate all the time.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
He gave us.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So let's do it again soon.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Thanks Joe, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
All Right, that's it for Unshaking and Unafraid with Joe
Paggs this time. Another one to drop very soon.
Minnesota is in the spotlight, and it's not really for
a good reason. But I think there is a silver
lining here. And I tell you what I mean after
I introduce my next guest, doctor Scott Jensen. He is,
of course a physician, he's also a government a candidate
for governor. I should say, got a book, got called
We've Been Played, Exposing to try out of Tyranny. Scott,
how are you going to see again?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Douc Joe.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
It's good to be on and I'm doing well, but
obviously Minnesota is not. And the book I wrote three
years ago, We've Been Played, talks about the tryad of tyranny,
what happens when government colludes. And I think we're seeing
this with Tim Walls in Minnesota and people are flabbergasts
that they're saying, how in the devil could this happen?
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And I think when you get a person like Tim
Walls in a position where he can absolutely run roughshod
over all three legislative branches, all three, if you will,
political branches, the executive office, the legislative branch, as well
as even his powerful impact.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
On thejudicial branch.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I mean, he has friends in the judicial sector of government.
That have donated to his campaigns. So Tim Walls has
a lot of consolidated power and he uses that. And
that's why I've said so clearly I think Tim Walls
is involved in a major cover up.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, I don't disagree with you, and a lot of
what's coming out right now is absolutely flabbergasting is a
good word. But Doc, I do think there's a silver lining.
I'll explain that in a minute. Let's get down to
the nitty gritty. Why are there so many Somalians in Minneapolis,
Saint Paul, Minnesota when the weather is nowhere near what
it's like in the eastern coast of Africa. Why were
they brought there? Was this Obama? Was there some other
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reason that Minnesota is attractive. I don't think they decided
in Somalia, Let's go to Minneapolis, Saint Paul, Minnesota. Somebody
brought them there.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Now, you're absolutely right, and the progression actually started in
the nineteen nineties, and it's really it's not as complicated
as people might think. Frankly, people came in Minnesota. We've
got several faith based organizations that have been quite aggressive
about trying to make certain refugees have a place to come,
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and so Somalians came to Minnesota, and I think there
were a lot of programs available to help ease their assimilation.
On top of that, what happens is after the first
wave of immigrants come, frequently, the next wave wants to
go to an area where perhaps some people who know
them best, speak their language have already gone, and so
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to speak, trail blazed some pathways. And so we started
to see Minnesota become a real, if you will, melting
pot for East African immigrants. And we saw it from Somalia, Somaliland, Ethiopia,
and it just grew and grew, so that I do
believe that Minnesota is probably the largest Somali community in
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the nation.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Had well, it is by a lot. I mean, I
think it's like eightfold more than anybody else. So great answer,
But you and I both know that in Somalia it's
being run by a bunch of ten terrorists. It's not
a country like ours, It's not anything like Minnesota. Are
the people, generally speaking, because you probably have them in
your practice, are they trying to acclimate because it seems
as though a lot of them, from elon Omar on
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down have no problem with fraud and scamming and lying
and marrying your brother and you know, stealing billions of
dollars in aid. Are the general population of Somalians like
they were in Somalia or are they trying to become
Minnesotans because the ones that we're hearing about aren't doing
good things.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I think it's a mix, to be sure, But I
think that the people that are probably least inclined to
assimilate are the people that have found their way into
some sort of a power circle. The every day Somalian
who's trying to eke out a living, raise their children,
put a roof over their head, and food in their
tummies and take care of their kids. These people are
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desperately working to assimilate. I've been having lunch with one
fellow for the last seven years, and he started out
with his own company doing a lawn service. Then from
the lawn service, he added landscaping. Then he hired a
few employees. The Allians definitely want to be independent business people,
and they want to follow the pathway of other immigrant groups,
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other ethnic groups. I was blessed to have the opportunity
to work with so many Southeastern Asian folks who came
over in the late seventies, in the eighties after the
Vietnam War, people from Laos, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, and these
people benefited from our programs are if you will, our
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support programs, and they got off of them as soon
as they could. I think at some level, Joel, the
thing that we haven't talked about is in Minnesota, we
have a multitude a multitude of entitlement programs, support programs,
and we're not asking ourselves are they working? Are they
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accomplishing their mission? If we have all these pro in
place and we're spending more money than almost any other state,
at some level we have to say are we helping
these folks in their transition or are we hurting it.
There was a defense attorney who in the New York
Times article about ten days ago, he said, listen.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
He said, some of these folks had the.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Best of intentions. They were going to try to follow
the law and do it normally, but it was just
so darned easy.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
He said.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It was like the cookie jar was full and they
could steal money from it and nobody asked questions. They
just refilled the cookie jar. And I think that's where
Tim Walls and frankly, every Minnesota has a right to say,
what's going wrong in Minnesota? How do we spend so
much money and not expect these programs to perform? A
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program starts out at two and a half million dollars
two and a half million, and it goes to over
one hundred million and three years and nobody's watching the store.
Another program starts out at five million, and in three
or four years it's four hundred million. Nobody would stop
at the holiday gas station to buy a diet coke
that they expected to pay three dollars and when the
clerk says that would be four hundred dollars there, yeah,
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they'd faint. They'd say, you can have your damn diet coke?
And what the devil happened? That's what should have happened
in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I'm with you a little. Let me tell people who
you are again. It's doctor Scott Jensen. He's a family physician,
Minnesota governor joh candidate. I hope that you become the governor.
He's got a book out call We've been played, exposing
the tryaud of tyranny. I want to get into that
full throat at in a moment. Fraudster's sold over over
a billion dollars from medicaid. We're hearing about two five
eight billion dollars missing from adult daycare, allegedly from feeding
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everybody that never got fed doc? How does this get
so out of control? And is there any way that
Tim Walls could not have known this was happening.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I don't think there's any way that Tim Walls could
not have known. I do think a critical question is
what did he know when? When did he know it?
And when did he actively start to cover it up?
When did he start to tell hundreds of his employees
to shut up. He's not interested in having their whistle
blow activities take place. He squashed them. How much data
has been deleted? Why has Tim Walls been unwilling to
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release data when asked for it. It's pretty clear from
a timeline that in the early part of twenty twenty,
the Minnesota Department of Education realized there was a tremendous,
exorbitant increase and agencies that wanted to be involved in
collecting money to feed our kids.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
That was when they first knew about it.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Now, did they do anything worthwhile or what a typical
business person would do in the first few months, No,
they didn't. They just dragged their feet. But it wasn't
until twenty twenty one that the FBI was brought in
in the spring, and then in twenty two. In twenty
twenty two, in September, when the FBI started to issues
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and get some of its indictments, that was when you
saw Tim Walls all of a sudden try to grab
the stage and say, well, yep, here we are. We
know we investigated, we had a lot of the heavy lifting,
and we've turned it over to the FBI and to
the US attorney. That was absolutely a crock of crap.
They didn't do any of that. Tim Walls tried to
run a victory lab. And in twenty twenty two you
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had Judge Gouthman say when Tim Wall said, well, you know,
we would have stopped the payment sooner, but the judge
told us we had to keep on making the payments.
The judge came out in an unprecedented action and said
Tim Walls is not telling the truth. So then Tim Walls, So,
then Tim Wall says, what you wish? The judge is
not going to stay quiet. I'm going to have to
find someone else. So then he blames the FBI, and
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the FBI said, we never told you that you had
to keep making fraudulent payments. Tim Walls has been willing
to blame anybody, and this is his modus operandi. But
the bottom line is they did nothing. And I think
people have to ask the next question, why why would
the governor of Minnesota be so hell bent on letting
fraud just bubble up and continue? And I think the
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answer lies in what would it have taken If Tim
Walls had done the normal thing, had demanded accountability, it
would have put his voting blocks at risk. He did
not want to jeopardize the fact that he's got these
minority voting blocks that the Democrats have been able to
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count on for years, and that was more important to
Tim Walls than truth and justice. And on top of that,
I think Tim Walls is a very ambitious governor. He
wants to go up the ladder as much as he can.
So voting blocks matter, virtue signaling matter, and quite frankly,
if Tim Walls thought he could get away with it.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Easy, pasy.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Doug, let let me ask you this, because this is
all very well said. Now I'm following you, and I
trust that what you're saying is the case. First of all,
Tim Walls is not going to go anywhere. He was
such a fool as the vice presidential nominee. I think
he's done. The fact that he's running for reelection in
Minnesota really does give me pause because I fear he
might win. But you're talking about vote blocks, and I
take you at your word when you say most Simonians
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want to be part of the American culture. They want
to be a melting pot, they want to acclimate. So
this is just a small percentage of people that are
doing all this fraud. There is no voting block out
there that wants to vote yes on fraud. So how
is it that he would alienate them? Would he look
like the hero or the star if he said I'm
going to stop the fraud. I can't believe this happened.
This is Minnesota's money, this is American taxpayer's money. I'm
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going to be your hero. Why wouldn't he do that?
Why would he be complicit or complacent?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's a great question, and I think the point that
needs to be made is between even now, after ten, fifteen,
twenty twenty five years, fifty to seventy five percent of
the Somali community in Minnesota is on one program or
another in regards to free stuff, whether it's healthcare, SNAP.
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So even though we've had this population with us for
twenty to thirty years, you still have over half getting
free stuff. I was running in twenty twenty two. There
were rumors that I was never able to verify them.
But there were rumors that Democrats would go out and
frighten the Simali people, saying, if you don't vote for
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Tim Walls, you might not be able to get this
apartment at a discounted rate, you might not be able
to get healthcare, you might not be able to get
food stamps or SNAP program. So I think that even
though there's a tremendous number ten twenty thousand Somalis that
want to be able to dream dreams and go out
and build businesses, there is absolutely somewhere between thirty and
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sixty thousand Somalis on programs they do not want to
see go away. And Tim Walls hasn't connected the program
with the mission of the program, because that's pivotal. If
you're going to be spending taxpayer dollars, you've got to
make sure that when you pass a program, you know
what you wanted to do, and then you've got to
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measure it to make sure that it's doing what you
said it would do.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
That's not happening.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Doctor Scott Jensen. He is, of course, family physician. He's
also running for governor of the Great State of Minnesota.
His book is called We've Been Played, Exposing the Triad
of Tyranny. Okay, so what you just said, it's not
the first time I've heard that that people in the Somalia,
the Somalian community in Minneapolis, Saint Paul, have been strong
armed into voting one certain way or else you'll lose. This, This, this,
and this. That's electioneering. It's illegal, that's paid to play.
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None of that's okay. Now, again, you're not the first
person who's told me this has happened. The FBI is aware,
I'm guessing of these allegations. The FEC I would think
would be aware, the Federal Elections Commission, Why is anybody
doing anything about it? Again, this isn't just a rumor anymore.
We've got anecdotal people like you, but others who are
actually from that community going this really happened. James O'Keefe
went in there and did an investigation about collecting ballots
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and paying for ballots in that community in Minnesota. Doc,
why can't anybody stop this? It's illegal.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
As soon as anybody brings it up there said to
saying they're spreading this in for they're conspiracists, racists, they're racists,
they're insensitive. I mean literally in Minnesota, word policing is
become an art form.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And there's words virtually every week that are all of
a sudden taken off the list of what can be said.
I mean, I've almost wanted to have people send me
a list every month of Okay, what other words I'm
not supposed to use this month. This is where Minnesota's at.
And the only thing that's really blown the lid off
of this, Joe is the national media. It hasn't been
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local media. It's been the fact that national media has
been covering it. The White House has gotten involved. We've
got Scott Beiscent talking about it, We've got other people
talking about We've got the irs trying to follow some
of these trails of where do the dollars go? There's
a lot of Minnesotans who would not believe that more
than fifty thousand dollars were donated from these fraudsters to
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elect officials in Minnesota. Now that that's come out, we've
got all these elected officials like Keith Ellison clamoring saying, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
We paid it back.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
We weren't willing to take those dollars. Well, the fact
of the matter was Keith Ellison had a group of
Somali people in his office. He let them know that
he was going to cover their back. It was after
that that he got thousands of dollars of donations. So
it has to beg the question, are there dollars out
there sequestered in bank accounts, whether offshore or not, that
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people can still tap into that are composed of Minnesota
taxpayer dollars. Because if that's the case, then we have
the potential that this isn't just a cover up. Then
we have the potential that there's an ongoing, active, paid
a play scheme going on. And I think we have
an obligation to ask are there elected officials involved in this?
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And people sometimes say, Doc, you're going down a rabbit
hole here. That's exactly what happened in nineteen seventy two
when Watergate building was broken into people said, well, this
will never amount to anything, whatever, whatever, whatever. Two years
later we had the president of the most powerful country
in the world resigning in order to avoid being impeached.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Absolutely, Doctor Scott Jensen. Go follow doctor Scott Jensen dot com.
It's d R. Scott Jensen dot com. Get the book
called We've Been Played Exposing the Triad of Tyranny. Had
Liz Collin on last week and she gave me some
great insight into all this fraud that's happening in Minnesota.
And somebody actually called the show yesterday, Doc and said,
the local media actually covered this thing. Are you starting
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to see the local legacy media going we can't really
ignore this stuff anymore. Right now, Minnesota's on the national
stage and we don't say something, we're going to be
looked at as who we've been for the past five
six years. Is the local media starting to catch on
to this or are they still giving cover to what
Wallas is doing, what Elison's doing.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
There's no question the local media is stepping up. There's
one media source called the Minnesota Reformer, who is that.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
If you will.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Organization has been identified as being pretty hard left at times,
but they've come out and they've asked, Okay, Tim Walls,
are you going to take responsibility? There have been some
very thoughtful articles that have come out of that agency,
asking hard questions, and I think what's happened is that
has caused other news organizations to say we better step
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up to the table. So it may feel like it
was on a slow track, but it is encouraging I
think to a lot of Minnesotans that we're starting to
see the Minnesota media step up say hold it, this
is not okay.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Tim Walls.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Acknowledge where you went wrong, tell us what you're going
to do to fix it, and don't just try to
blow aviate and throw you know, bs status.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
We want to know what are you really going to
do to solve it.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Because right now, I think, right frankly, we've got politicians
on both sides of the aisle using this issue to
try to run victory laps for things that they didn't earn.
This fraud has been going on for more than just
during COVID. This was prior to COVID. We saw this
when I was in the Senate. We saw it with
the daycare program, we saw it with Tim Walls moving
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people latterly to get him out of the limelight if
they weren't doing their job. There was one situation where
an Inspector General was literally ignoring the input coming to
her and basically she was put on administrative leaves at
home for months and months and months, was paid tens
of thousands of dollars, and then quietly moved over into
another department where she made one hundred and thirty thousand dollars,
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but she was out of the limelight. There's piece of
evidence after evidence after evidence that shows there has been
an effort, a very skilled effort, to cover this up,
to quiet it down, to shut down any potential whistleblowers.
And it's been going on literally since Tim Walls became
elected governor.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It's doctor Scott Jensen, of course, family position. Go get
his book called We've Been Played Exposing the Triad of Tyranny.
Let me finish up on the Somalian situation, and thanks
for what you just said about the media. I think
you're right on all counts. I know there are a
lot of good Somalians here. My grandfather was an immigrant,
not from Somalia, from Italy, but when he came over,
he wanted to be an American. All of his eight
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children only spoke English, didn't teach him how to speak Italian.
Are you finding as new generations come up in the
Smalian community they want to be more American? And do
you agree with me when I say if more good
people from Somalia stepped up to a microphone and a
camera and said, we aren't represented by what Omar's doing,
by what these seventy eight indicted people did or allegedly
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did in the scam. We're good people, we want to
be Americans, we want to be your neighbors. I almost
feel like we need to have more of them step
up and say that. Do you agree?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I do?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
And that was why I went down last Monday, about
nine days ago. They called me and said national news
people are coming out here. And this was before President
Trump had made some of his volatile com and so
they said, when you come down. So I went down
and it was fascinating. The first person I saw that
morning running a Somali business was a woman who runs
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a coffee shop and she said to me, she said,
I don't like what Ilhan Omar says or what she
stands for. Next person I saw said, why don't the
Republicans have a candidate to run against Senator Democrat Senator
Omar Fatae, who had just lost the election for mayor
in Minneapolis. We wanted to know where's the Republican party
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to run a candidate against them. The next person I
saw said, I don't want to be labeled because of
bad Somalis. And I know there are bad Somalis out there,
So they do want to They do want their voice
to be heard and magnified. And I think even programs
like this Joe, where we talk about this, it matters
because we have seen immigrant group after immigrant group come
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to America and make their way. And I think one
of the most successful immigrant stories in Minnesota in my
lifetime was to literally watch the people from Vietnam Laos,
watch the among people, watch the Cambodians, the Ties come
to America, come to Minnesota and become an engine for
our economy. Did they need the programs that we had
(20:11):
set up for a couple of years, Absolutely, But today
under Tim Walls, our programs are without rudder, They're without accountability.
They blow up from two million to one hundred million,
nobody says the word. They go from five million to
four hundred million, nobody says the word. A quarter of
a billion dollars ago and nobody says the word. And
then when employees Minnesota Department of Human Services try to
(20:33):
say something, they're squashed. Tim Walls has absolutely allowed this
to happen on his watch. And this hurts Somali people.
This is not helping them, and they know it. We
need to make people that come to our country recognize
that we're not interested in having them come in as
a trojan whores and undermine the American spirit. We're interested
(20:55):
in having them come to our country help build America.
And I think we need and are entitled to expect
people that come to our country to make some sacrifices,
to assimilate, to learn our language, and to help build America,
build Minnesota, and love our country.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I could not agree more. It's doctor Scott Jensen. Let
me ask you about this guy, Jacob Fry. I mean,
what a fool. This is a guy who I'm calling
him a fool, not you. He obviously went to the
Obama speech pattern school. He talks about Somalians, their fathers
and entrepreneurs and they make the Minneapolis engine run. We
(21:36):
are Somalions. They are Minneapolis. This guy taking the side
of one culture or one community over everybody else in Minneapolis.
Saint Paul doesn't make sense that he sits down at
some Somali restaurant and funnily, I mean it was humorous.
His face, what he was eating the food was like
it was in pain. But here he is, this guy
is completely selling out to just one segment of that
(21:57):
of that community and just like leaving everybody else in
the cold. And he's talking about possibly calling nine one
one on ice agents when they come and not working
at all to help law enforcement from the federal government
enforce the law. What do you make of this guy?
Why is he the mayor? I guess the other choice
was really horrible, But why isn't there a Republican or
a conservative or a moderate that's running to be the
(22:17):
mayor of that great city.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Well, Minneapolis has been a blue city for a long time,
and I think a lot of people are getting fed up.
But I think Jacob Fry represents what's happening to politics,
not just in Minnesota, but I think across our land.
People get elected and they start to have this notion
that this seat, this salary, this position of power, is mine,
(22:42):
and I'm going to hold onto it regardless of what
i have to do. So we are seeing a gross
level of pandering of licking your finger and holding it
up to see which way the wind's blowing. Today we're
seeing virtue signal, virtue signaling like never before. Jacob Frye
has at times stepped into the fray and made some
(23:02):
solid decisions, but too often, too often, he is literally
pandering to what's the flavor of the day. And when
he does that, he's not helping Somalia. He's not helping
the Somali folks, and he's not helping Minneapolis. He has
made very few bold steps that are going to help
(23:23):
restore Minneapolis to be the city it was ten twenty
years ago. Make no mistake about it, Joe, Minneapolis is
in trouble. The streets are empty at night, some of
the busiest nightclub kind of places that previously enjoyed tremendous
energy and population and people.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It's like a desert.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's like a ghost town. Wow, Minneapolis restaurants shutting down.
We've had hundreds of restaurants shut down in Minneapolis over
the last year. I'ctually over the last several years. So
clearly Jacob Fry is going to have to roll up asleep.
He's asked himself what he's made of and start making
the hard decisions that will help Minneapolis get on a
(24:05):
pathway that brings it back, because right now it's not
happening and he's not helping the Somalis well.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I mean, if I'm somebody who lost my business in
the Summer of Love the George Floyd riots, I wouldn't
come back to Minneapolis. It's not attractive. I don't know
what would attract me to do that. In fact, I
had somebody called the other day who said they were
visiting Minneapolis and they were told by somebody in the
Somalian community, don't wear an American flag shirt to the
Mall of America. Why because people don't like it there.
What is that? That's a very strange thing. I would
(24:33):
not think of that great American city in those terms,
but I guess you have to. So should you become
the governor, do you work with the mayor of Minneapolis
and other mayors around the state and say, here's how
we can fix it. Here's how we can work as
a coalition to bring this city back to greatness or
do you think he would be even open to that.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I think you would be open to it, because, frankly,
as governor, I would demand it, and I would demand
a level of transparency that just hasn't had happened. I
would tell people, listen, we're going to have these conversations
in front of the media. We are going to collectively
as a state start solving some of these problems. I
think this is why Tim Walls and perhaps others misgauged
(25:13):
how critical people have been of the new Minnesota flag.
It was that it's smacked of political correctness. It's smacked
of a few small people saying, in regards to the
Minnesota heritage as reflected on the state seal and the
state flag, they just wiped it out. A few people says, no,
we're going to change it. People celebrated our flag because
(25:36):
it speaks of our past and our president and our future.
It talks challenges that we've had in the past, and
it speaks to our future. People are furious about what
happened to the former Minnesota flag, and it's not because
they're racist or anything else. They respect our heritage. The
fact that as a state we've had challenges and we've
(25:58):
plowed through them and all of us, all that heritage,
all that history, all that richness, was thrown out the
door because someone said this is politically insensitive. Well, you
know what part of our past is politically flawed, and
it is part of our past. It doesn't go away
just because we want to throw a piece of fabric
(26:20):
to the sidelines and have something bland and vanilla take
its place.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
That doesn't make any sense. Doctor Scott Jensen, go to
dr Scott Jensen dot com go check out his candidacy
for Minnesota governor. In the time we have remaining four
or five minutes, Doc, let's talk about who the triad is.
We've been played exposing the tryaud of tyranny? Is the book?
Show the book again? If you don't mind, let people
see the book. You got to go and grab this
right now. It's been not for a few years. It's
by doctor Scott Jensen. Who is the triad of tyranny?
(26:47):
Can you explain who that is? To my audience?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
It bubbled up much like a volcano in the early
twenty twenty and we saw it for the next three
or four years where we saw big government allude with
big pharmacy, and they worked with big Tech to get.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Their message across.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
We saw a synchronization of messaging like never before, an
absolute brainwashing of the American people. You know, this time
we said, if there was one false overarching message that
should never have been put out there, it was do
it for.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Gramma, don't kill Gramma.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
We saw this take place because big tech, big pharma,
and big government said it would. We saw big pharma
make inroads into profitability they never would have been able
to make without big government coming alongside of them. Those
three players crushed individual liberties the American people have been
guaranteed in the Constitution. We've been played. People were told
(27:47):
things that now are coming out there were absolutely not true.
We had businesses locked down, we had kids locked out
of schools. We had elderly frail people locked in the
nursing home facilities, knowing virtually that they die lonely deaths.
We've been played and the only way that we can
prevent it from happening again, Joe, is by never forgetting.
(28:08):
And that's why I wrote the book is We've been played,
and there was a triad of tyranny that did it.
It's been fascinating to me to watch President Trump dismantle
some of this with the FDA, with Bobby Kennedy, Marty McCarey,
Jay Bodichari at the NIH. It's been fascinating to watch
the big tech companies step in line and acknowledge that
(28:29):
what they did was wrong, what they did was unethical attempts.
When they shut people down like Eric Alex Berenson, they're
coming out saying, yeah, we shouldn't have done that. So
I think we're seeing dismantling of this triad and we
need to remember how it came to be.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I couldn't agree more. And I love all the people
that you mentioned. Doctor Ross is involved in that as well.
As we're watching it unfold. Though, you see the massive
pushback by big Pharma, by big control, you know, apparatus.
They don't like it. I mean, they've been attacking Bobby
Kennedy from day one. You shouldn't be in that job.
They're trying to get rid of him, just like they're
trying to get rid of Pete Hegseth. But when it
comes to the health and Human services side of it,
(29:06):
when it comes to the FDA, when it comes to
the NIH, when it comes to the CDC, when it
comes to HHS. What happens when President Trump, you know,
ends his term and God forbid, somebody who's more left
gets in there. Did they re establish that control again? Doc?
Is there a way to make these changes permanent and
keep on fighting back the trillions of dollars that's being
(29:26):
invested by big Farmer to keep control. Can this be
long lasting?
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I think it can.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
And I think the lesson we learned was actually from
the colonists more than two hundred years ago. If you
look at the uprising that became the American nation, historians
have indicated that the number of colonists that wanted to
rebel against England was probably less than twenty percent. But
through the fights, the battles, and the transparency, literally America
(29:58):
became a nation where at one point in time, one
hundred percent of its citizens would hold strong to the
flag and to what we represent. I think the lesson
is transparency, the fact that we have people like doctor
Oz and like I said, Marty McCarey, Bobby Kennedy, Jay Bodicharia,
and many others, even Robert Redfield, the former CDC director,
(30:21):
coming out and saying listen, we should be withdrawing all
the mRNA vaccines. This transparency, you will not be able
to put the genie back in the bottle when we
hear a vaccinologist like doctor Paul Offitt come out acknowledge
and confess that he didn't get the boosters for the
COVID dection. And this is the guy who was saying it.
When we see this happen, they might try to stuff
(30:43):
the genie back in the bottle again in three four
eight years. I don't think it's going to happen, But
I think jd. Vance is going to be the next
president after Trump anyway, and I think that's going to
give us a chance to continue the open dialogue and
continue to enhance transparency, because it's in transparency and in
every citizen and taking seriously their obligation to be an
engaged American citizen.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
No sitting in the cheap seats.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Every one of us has to walk into the arena
and say I'm going to do my part. Joe John
Kennedy said it many years ago. Ask not what your
country can do for you, but what can you do
for your country?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
The time is now. The time is now.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I agree with you. Last question doc, and I appreciate
how you spell that. Last question has to be this.
People are frustrated because Fauci is still getting four hundred
thousand dollars a year in his pension and just walks
free when this guy lied to us directly into the
camera and lied about everything when it came to how
we were supposed to act to the pandemic. Will anybody
pay the price? Because I think Americans want somebody to
(31:43):
pay the price for wronging us for that entire period.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I wish I knew the answer, Joe.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I think that Pauci and what he got away with
and some of his colleagues that made millions and millions
of dollars. The amount of profit that Viser made on
the vaccines was enormous. And I remember the pviisor CEO
telling people that they needed to get vaccinated, not for themselves,
but to do it for the next person, to do
(32:12):
it for grandma. And now we find out they didn't
even have any evidence, no evidence that it would prevent transmission.
There was never any real evidence that would say that
you should divert from what we've always said regarding vaccines.
We tell people to take vaccines to protect themselves. We
don't try to guilt them into taking vaccines and say
(32:33):
if you don't, you're killing someone else. What was put
upon the American people will go down in history as
one of the darkest biased messages and propaganda that America
ever experienced. This is literally worse than what happened in
the Cold War, and.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
That's probably true. What we're finding out now is just
earth shattering and mind numbing. It is Doctor Scott Jensen
to Dr Scott Jensen dot com. Support him there and
make sure if you're in Minnesota, you gotta consider this guy.
I want him to be your next governor. He's running
for governor of Minnesota. Get the book, also called We've
Been Played Exposing the try out of Tyranny. Doc, thanks
for jumping in the chair on short notice. I really
(33:13):
appreciate all the time.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
He gave us.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So let's do it again soon.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Thanks Joe, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
All Right, that's it for Unshaking and Unafraid with Joe
Paggs this time. Another one to drop very soon.
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