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December 21, 2023 12 mins

Doug Heywood choir master for over 35 years at Vision Australia Carols chats with Peter Greco and brings an amazing insight into the preparation, and production of this unique and time honoured event. 

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S1 (00:04):
Well, everyone looks forward to Australia. Carols Christmas Eve. Let's
speak to the choir master, Doug Heywood. Doug, so great
to meet you and thanks so much for your time.

S2 (00:14):
My pleasure. Peter, it's great to hear from you. And
it's a great thing to do. Carols every year is
just so much fun and energy is fantastic.

S1 (00:23):
How did you get started with a Doug?

S2 (00:24):
Oh, it was 1988 and I was, uh, in the
choir and, uh, just got talking to Peter at the
time and he said, we'd like to take it to
choir rehearsal. I said, yeah, that's fine, I'll do it
in just to help out and keep things moving. And
then he said, uh, after that, oh, well, you ought
to do it again next year. So. Yeah, absolutely. And

(00:44):
that started it all off and off we went.

S1 (00:46):
So you'd been in the choir for how long before
that time?

S2 (00:50):
Yeah, it was 1988, just a little while ago. Only
30 odd years. I was of course.

S1 (00:57):
You were very young. Are you getting better every year?

S2 (01:00):
Uh, I'm learning every year. No, I just I just
love it. It's just it's a real joy. The joy
is is the first rehearsal with the choir at Blackburn High.
It's just like a family. They all come together. They
haven't seen each other for 12 months. And the energy
and the smile on their faces is just a joy
to witness. It really is.

S1 (01:21):
And it's a lot of people. Doug, you've got a
you've got a big classroom.

S2 (01:25):
We have a started off, uh, used to be 232,
which is fantastic. Those days with the choir covers all
the stage at the Myer Music Bowl. Yeah. Then Covid
came in and the choir was reduced in 2020 to
acquire a 48. So the show still went on, which
I thought was fantastic. Carols kept going on even through Covid,

(01:48):
and they brought the screen in a big screen in
at the back of the, uh, bowl. So the, the
help of the television broadcast and the screen has proved
very effective way of adding another dimension to the actual show.
And so the choir now has been reduced to 136,
which is 68 on either side of the screen. So

(02:09):
it's still a big choir, 136. And visually it just
looks fantastic. And uh, so now we will alternate the
choirs each year. So we keep all our, our little
choruses happy. In fact, I was looking the other day.
Over the years I've been with them, there's been about
2000 choristers have come. Oh, isn't that fantastic?

S1 (02:30):
That's amazing, isn't it? Yeah.

S2 (02:31):
And I'll tell you the the they just love singing.
And of course the highlight for the choir is the
Hallelujah Chorus which is so full of joy and energy.
And the interesting thing about that, when Handel wrote that
as the first performance was in Dublin in 1742, and
the purpose for that occasion was to raise money for

(02:53):
the local charities in Dublin. And so every time the
Hallelujah Chorus is done at carols, it just keeps their tradition.

S1 (03:01):
Yeah.

S2 (03:01):
Chorus. From the original thing to raise money for charity,
I just think that's a wonderful link between nearly 300
years ago when the great chorus was first written and
is still today. Every Christmas Eve on carols, the Hallelujah
chorus sings out of the joy of of our life
and the prospect of peace and happiness. I think it's

(03:23):
just great.

S1 (03:23):
Yeah, probably more appropriate, uh, at this time than ever before.
It's so arousing, isn't it?

S3 (03:29):
Oh, sure he is.

S1 (03:30):
It's a, you know, the older makes the hairs on
the back of your neck stand up. Yeah.

S2 (03:34):
And the choir love seeing the audience reaction to it.
The audience stand up and they wave their candles in time.
And it's just a very lovely, honest moment.

S1 (03:43):
Are they a good behaved bunch, Doug, or do you
have to expect a discipline?

S2 (03:48):
No. They're really well behaved. They're at times. No, they
really are. They just come with they come with commitment.
They come with commitment to share their voices and the
and the love of Christmas with other people. That's what
it's about. And there's a lot of fun with rehearsals,
but also a lot of learning because they've got they've

(04:08):
got quite a short time for this year, for example,
they're involved in 21 songs. That's a lot to learn
in four weeks. Um, and, you know, they're not in
the audition choir, they're community choir. And they just come
along and they and they share their time and commitment
into the rehearsals. And that's a lot to ask from them.

(04:30):
And every year they come up trumps the terrific.

S1 (04:34):
Yeah, they don't disappoint. What about as far as, um, their, uh,
sort of backgrounds go? Well, all sorts of different backgrounds.

S2 (04:41):
They come from all over the place. We have, we
have a group of people that come up all the
way from Hamilton, which, which is a 3.5 hour drive.
Just imagine that. So they they've come from they come
from Hamilton, from Geelong, from tarragon, from all around Melbourne, Werribee,
all the all around the state in many ways. One
year I had a person come down from Sydney to

(05:03):
join it and they flew down. And wanted to come
and sing in it. So it's there from everywhere and
from all walks of life. And they just have the
one common cause, and that's to make music and to
share their voices with others.

S1 (05:16):
How did you get involved with this sort of industry, Doug?
How far back does it go? What got you?

S3 (05:20):
Oh, look.

S1 (05:21):
My back.

S2 (05:22):
Goes back. When I was a young lad, I was
a chorister at a young boy chorister and a cathedral
type choir. And then I was late. I was an
opera singer. I have always been involved in music and
taught music at Norwood High School, North England, and then
the Melbourne University. And just music has been part of
my life since I was knee high grasshopper, 82 years ago.

S1 (05:46):
Okay, well, that's not long. You just you just the
spring chicken.

S3 (05:50):
Oh, absolutely.

S2 (05:50):
I've, uh, I've got at least another 35 years.

S1 (05:55):
I would have thought. Yeah. At least.

S3 (05:56):
Yeah, yeah. That's negotiable.

S1 (05:58):
Yeah. That's right Doug. It it it keeps you young.
In all seriousness, wouldn't it? Because, um, you know, you're
mixing with other people, you're obviously, you know, providing joy
for so many. It'd be, um, you got to be
something that would really get you out of bed in
the morning.

S3 (06:12):
Oh, look, it is.

S2 (06:13):
You bounce off the energy and you react to the energy.
You walk into rehearsal and you can feel the the
positive attitude and you just bounce off that and, you know,
just it's just a great feeling. It really is.

S1 (06:27):
You said 21 songs. Uh, who chooses the playlist?

S2 (06:30):
Oh that's Melinda. She she she's the producer. She she
has a great deal to do with it. And, uh,
and the committee with, uh, Kate Halliday, of course. Kate is,
is has been with Carol's for for so long, and
Kate and Melinda would, would sort out the songs in
the artists. And that's a big task in itself.

S1 (06:51):
Yeah. For sure. Well, I know I've spoken to some
of the organisers of carols and they literally start preparation,
you know, Christmas Day, the day after, uh, Australia carols.
They're starting preparation for next year. That's how it's a
very much a full time job.

S3 (07:07):
Well, I believe.

S2 (07:08):
It is. I'm not fully involved in obviously with that
but but no, but and I really start working in
November and it's a, it's an immense task when you
think of it, to put this show on the air live.
It's a really from the technical side, from the musical side,
it's transforming. It is just an immense task. And I
think it's a credit to channel nine. Did they do it?

S1 (07:30):
Yeah, absolutely. Doug, do you ever kind of, uh, think
why performing. You know, there's maybe 3 or 4 million
people out there watching and people listening on Virgin Australia Radio?
Does that ever enter your mind you to focus on
the the job in hand?

S3 (07:43):
No, no it doesn't.

S2 (07:44):
Although it did into my mind. I think it was
luckily before when I turned 80, they asked me to
sing a solo and uh, and I sang, uh, long
time ago in Bethlehem that, that one. And I was
there for the first time. I was quite aware of
the number of people watching, and, uh.

S3 (08:03):
And I was I mean.

S2 (08:04):
I was a very nervous little kid. And let me.

S4 (08:06):
Tell you, uh, I.

S1 (08:07):
Took it back, uh, 75 years, maybe.

S3 (08:09):
Doug. Yeah, it surely did.

S2 (08:11):
It surely did. Uh, because all my time. And I'm.
If I'm conducting a hallelujah course. Of course, you don't
see the audience, but know that most time you you
just get absorbed in the performance. And, uh, you are,
of course, aware of it as a choir, the responsibility
to do the best they can, which they.

S1 (08:33):
About what? About interaction with some of the, uh, the,
the guests that they have on the guest artist. Uh,
do you have much to do with those? Oh, yeah.

S2 (08:40):
Yeah, I've got to know them over the years. And you,
there's lots of talk and, uh, fun backstage. Absolutely.

S3 (08:48):
And then what happens backstage remains backstage. I go, I.

S1 (08:52):
Was going to probe you about that, but I figured
that might be right. Today. You seem the sort of
person that would be able to keep a sacred. Uh.
I don't like it when people ask about favorites, but
I'm going to break the rule and say, have you
got a favorite? Have you got someone that you really
look forward to looking forward to? So catching up with
this year?

S3 (09:09):
No, I'm not.

S2 (09:10):
Going I'm not going to pick a favorite. But I
always enjoy catching up with with David Hobson, with, uh,
Rena Pryor.

S3 (09:20):
Yeah.

S2 (09:20):
With, uh, two. Oh.

S3 (09:24):
Yeah. And.

S2 (09:25):
And, uh, and that big bass voice of Dennis Walton.
Always loved catching up with those every year.

S1 (09:33):
And, Doug, what about some of the artists that, uh,
kind of represent Australia that are blind or low vision
over the years there, there's been some beauty. So, I mean,
I think absolutely, Larry, luckily, yeah.

S2 (09:43):
I can't always remember their names, but there's a lovely
tenor they had one year and he was I can't
remember his name, but he was quite stunning. He really was.
And and you've got, you've got a person in the
choir who. He's totally blind.

S3 (09:58):
Okay. Uh, Alan.

S2 (09:59):
Taylor and Alan the dead brings him into rehearsals, and
Alan has. Acquire or for a long, long time now.
And I just think that's great. He he brings his
phone and he called his part and is able to
join in every year with, with the carols. And I
think that's that's absolutely fantastic.

S1 (10:18):
Very, very special. And I mean, I know you talked
about the Hallelujah and how amazing that is, but that the,
the sound of harmony, uh, from a music lovers point
of view, which I am when you hear great harmony,
I think it's the best part of music, if I
can put it that way.

S3 (10:34):
Oh, absolutely. Yes.

S2 (10:35):
And the, the, the human voice is the cheapest musical
instrument there is. It costs you nothing. And there's nothing
more uplifting than being in a choir and singing harmony.
Justice Sandra Locsin It's just really exciting and thrilling. There's
no question about that. And that's why people love singing choirs,

(10:58):
because they're sharing the individual voice with the collective sound
of the choir. And and the joy of hearing other parts,
other harmonies build that great sound, and it is a
real thrill.

S3 (11:10):
It's a through and.

S1 (11:11):
It's also a skill, isn't it? Because, uh, I love music,
but I can't sing. But you know that that harmonizing.

S3 (11:16):
No. I'm sorry.

S2 (11:17):
You can sing. Everybody can sing. You may not always
sing the same note as your neighbor next to you.

S3 (11:25):
But if you don't, you're.

S1 (11:27):
You're too kind. You're a diplomat.

S3 (11:29):
Uh, I'm absolutely.

S2 (11:31):
Honest. And and, uh, eventually, even those who believe the
or told the school they can't sing, which I think
is silly. Everyone can sing. You can speak and sing
and you can learn. You can learn to adjust your
ears to hear what's going on around you. Absolutely. I
guarantee you, if I grew up with you, got you
with a choir, you'd be singing with it and loving it.

S1 (11:50):
I'd hope that hang around long enough to give me
a chance.

S4 (11:54):
I think.

S1 (11:55):
It's fantastic. It's on Christmas Eve. And of course Associate
Audio described, which is very, very exciting. So for people
who are blind, have low vision, they get the audio description.
So they get the, uh, the, uh, the pictures, the
three words as to what's going on. Doug, it's been
absolutely delight talking to you. Congratulations on your 35 plus
years long may continue. And again, uh, Merry Christmas and

(12:17):
happy New Year. And, uh, uh, I've really enjoyed this.
It's been.

S3 (12:20):
Wonderful. Good on you.

S2 (12:21):
Thank you, Peter, and don't forget you. You can.

S3 (12:23):
Sing.

S1 (12:24):
All right. That's the take home message. That's my. That's
your Christmas present to me.

S3 (12:29):
Yeah.

S2 (12:30):
And everybody can sing. Just enjoy your.

S3 (12:32):
Voice.

S4 (12:33):
Uh, what a lovely.

S1 (12:34):
Lovely night to end on that.

S4 (12:35):
Said Doug Hayward there.

S1 (12:37):
He's the choirmaster for Vic Australia Carols this Christmas Eve.
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