December 11, 2025 • 45 mins
We’re diving headfirst into the Emily In Paris universe with the ultimate pre–season refresher.
It’s been over a year since Season 4 dropped - and with ten shiny new episodes landing on December 18, we’re getting you completely caught up.
You'll learn more about:
The Men of Emily In Paris — And Where We Left Them:A recap of Gabriel’s big Michelin moment, Alfie’s new love life, and Marcello’s very smooth, very wealthy Roman influencer — plus our predictions on who Emily actually ends up with.
Why Emily In Paris Is Deeper Than You Think:From cultural clashes to gendered criticism, and the Darren Star of it all — we break down why this show is secretly sharp commentary wrapped in a candy-coloured fantasy.
The Fashion Fever Dream:Patricia Field’s iconic influence, why realism isn’t the point, and the reason Emily’s outfits are intentionally chaotic in a way that keeps the show fun, heightened and addictive.
Real-Life Cast Drama + Season 5 Predictions:IRL breakups, what the cast have said, plus new arrivals this season and the fan conspiracies taking over Reddit ahead of the Season 5 premiere.
It’s everything you forgot, everything you missed, and everything you need to know before pressing play on Season 5.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
From Mamma Mia.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Welcome to The Spill's Watch Party, where we unpacked the
biggest shows that the world is talking about. My name's
mansiaus Warren. I'm the executive producer of Mama MIA's entertainment podcast,
The Spill, as well as this podcast, Watch Party, and
I'm also one of Emily and Paris's biggest fans.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I love watching that.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Girl, Emily just doing her thing in Paris, so I
have never been more excited about an episode of Watch Party.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
But I'm also joined by two other big super fans
of the show.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'm Tina Burke.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I'm Muma me as pop culture and social editor, which
means I really really love watching TV and I love
watching Tiatok edit, so this is my dream come true.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
I'm Chelsea Hoy. I'm the entertainment producer mum Mia, and
I too love movies, TV and all things pop culture,
but Emily and Paris is like my absolute favorite, so
I'm very excited.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I feel like a lot of spiraling is going to
go down to the So we've quite literally been waiting
more than a year for this. We're just days away
from Emily in Paris season five dropping, and that's going
to be ten fresh episodes of Emily Cooper Goodness on
the eighteenth of December. We're going to be covering them
here in depth in this podcast, But first we're going
to get you caught up.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
On everything you need to know.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
You might remember Emily left Paris to somewhere a little
bit more Italian, So as long as you're up to
day with that, you're safe. But if you aren't and
you want to avoid spoilers, just make sure you go
finish up and then come back for your preseason hype up.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
If we're going to open an office and Rome, let's
really show the Italian's house done.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I don't think my ideas are translating, but Rome.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Wasn't built in a day and yet on into two
one day to destrait.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Rome is so new and exciting, but I have built
a life for myself in Paris.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Everything is just going all about you know.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
They're saying you can't go home again, Well you can,
it's leaving.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
That's the hard part.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I know.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I'm excited for the future.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
I think you should be too.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
All Right, I'm going to kick things off with a
bit of a rundown of where all the characters ended
up at the end of last season. So our girl Emily,
she is moving from Paris to Rome. It's like she
doesn't know the name of the show. And she's going
on her little Italian adventure. So Agents Gratto, the place
that she works, the PR firm, They've landed a six
month contract with Umberto Moratori and they are like this
(02:43):
luxurious cashmir producing company and they've landed this contract. So
she's going there to run the Italian leg of the company.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And of course, because Emily is who she is, her
personal life in her professional life have to be intertwined.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
So she is also in a relationship with Marcello, who
is the son the heir to the Kashmir Empire, and
conveniently she's now going to be in Italy with him.
At the end of the episode, they ride off into
the sunset on a vesper.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I mean, living out our dreams.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It's Hillary Duff moment. I also loved the moment where
he didn't know about Loulie Maguire.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
What movie is that red flag?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Honestly, he's a red flag.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So we know that this contract with the Moratuory Company
is six months and the condition is Emily is going
to stay in Rome to run the account. So a
little bit open ended there, I guess as to how
long she is going to be in Rome.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, she's a nightmare for the visit department.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
But anyway, and so her bestie Mindy, came to Italy
to visit her, of course, because she also hops all
around the world. She has broken up with Nikola, and
she did a street performance in Rome of her new
song that she's written, Beautiful Ruins, and that went viral,
which led to Chinese pop star calling her and saying
why don't you come and be a judge. So she
was leaving to go back to Shanghai, and a lot
(03:55):
of people were really worried she wasn't going to come
back for season five.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
But she is coming back to Thank God, I think
what would we do without.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So luckily she is coming back. But she's currently on
her way to China. In Emily and Paris in.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
The universe, obviously.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
We have to talk about the three men in Emily's life.
So Gabrielle Alfi and Marcello. So we all sort of
thought we'd take one of them and catch you up
as to where they're at and the likelihood that we
think they have of winning Emily's heart.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I'm not going to say who assigned who was going to.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Take control of I somehow ended up with my favorite somehow.
So do you want to take us away with leading
French heart throb chef man Gabrielle Tina.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yes, I'm going to paint quite a picture of this man,
because I think that he is the star of this
series personally. If you lived in Australia in twenty twenty,
we were in a lockdown or restrictions of sorts. So
we weren't going anywhere, we weren't doing anything. We were
not having romantic rendezvous of our own, we were not
having fashion forward moments in the streets or catching up
with cool coworkers.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
We were at home.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
We were not and by we Ham and Me and
then this show comes just like out of the woodwork
and it gives us all of that, like beautiful travel
and romance and like this sackering sweet that was just
ridiculous but so much fun and at the heart of
that was just the most beautiful Frenchman to ever exist.
And his name was Gabrielle and he was played by
Lucas Bravo. He wore a nice little French I don't know, Apron,
(05:21):
what do they wear when they cook? A little chefs suit?
He wore a button up suit. He had blonde hair.
Who knew blonde men could be hot? And I mean
I say that, and I've kind of got the same
hair color as him, just for our audio listeners, like
a sandy kind of sandy beautiful blonde hair. And he
helps random American women. He was a little bit sly
because he never really told Emily that, like he had
a girlfriend. But that's just French. Okay, it's all just French,
(05:43):
and we love Gabrielle. It's just the culture. But in
season three we ended on that cliffhanger of Gabrielle and
Cami's like almost wedding and then they didn't get married.
And where that letters to was that at the start
of season four, One, he thinks he's going to be
a dad. Two he's single and realizes he can be
with Emily. Three he thinks he's going to get a
Michelin stuff, and that's the kind of like whimsy that
(06:03):
we want in Emily in Paris. We want a random
man to get a Micheline staff season four for Gabrielle.
This is what Lucas Bravo said to Netflix. He said
he enters with the promise of a Michelin star, being
a dad, and his love for Emily because they're both
finally single and they can be together, so it's only
hope and a bright future ahead of him. In season four,
he had a terrible time because there was miscommunications a plenty,
one being a fake pregnancy trope, so Kenny thought she
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was pregnant, finds out she's not, and then she's like,
you know what, perhaps I will just lie and keep
it going. And if time was real in the world
of Emily in Paris, she would have given birth in
the time that this season takes place. But that doesn't happen,
and no one notices.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
With suspender dispelief, we just.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Pretend it's fine, and so he has a fake pregnancy trope.
He loses his romance with Emily through miscommunication. Once again,
nobody on this show knows how to have a conversation.
He thought he was going to get a Michelin Star
earlier in the season, and then it turned out there
was a fraud involved and so he couldn't get his
Michelin star, and then later on he gets it. It
was a hole back and forth. The whole trope this
season for him was just mishaps of miscommunication. He realized
(07:01):
that he wasn't going to be a dad, but maybe
that was something he'd like in the future, and who
would he like it with Emily Cooper?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
But all know she's gone to room, so damn it Emily.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
So we kind of left off the season for him
of like the idea that I think he's going to
follow Emily to Rome and it's all going to be
very exciting. But Lucas said that at the end of
the season it's the most mature he's ever been.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I don't know that fans really believe or buy that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I don't see that at all.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
He thinks he's very focused and he's going to go
to war for what he wants, so it seemingly ends
with him like probably going to Rome to get the girl.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But the fans didn't really like that.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
No, we did not.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
The fans were not happy. Chelsea leading the chart She's
probably the one in the TikTok comments. The thing that
we saw over and over again was people saying, like,
the real problem is Gabrielle. They don't understand why, like
every time Emily gets a happy ending, he comes back
to destroy it. My favorite one was why does Gabrielle
suddenly look like Christoph from Frozen? So there were also
so much commentary on his hair.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Very unfair. I think he looked beautiful.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
But regardless of the fact that a lot of people
aren't really happy with him and they don't really like him,
I think he's going to be the winner for one
obvious reason.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
This is Darren Starr.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
He's like the mister Big.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
He is the mister Big.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Every single time that Darren does one of these Girl
in a Big City tropes where she's got her career
and her dreams and her love interests. The pilot episode,
the person that the main character likes, same with younger,
same with sex in the city, that is who they
end up with. So I think they we're going to
see her end up with Gabrielle, And so I'm rooting
for a winner. I don't really care if he's a
problematic guy. I'm here for the winning story. That's my
(08:29):
personal opinion.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And then he may die on a Peloton if Sex
and the City is everything to go by.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I don't think, darn Star.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
They actually spoke about that with Vulture last year and
he was like, Peloton wanted to advertise with Emily in
Paris and it fell through, and he was like, maybe
they were traumatized from maybe a treadmill maybe, But like
the thing with Darren Starr is that he said that,
like with Sex and the City, he was really conscious
that he wanted the pilot from the get go to
be the thread that carried them through. So he always
wanted it to be carrying mister Big. And I think
(08:56):
he's done that again with us with Emily in Paris.
He wants it to be Gabrielle, no matter how problematic
and weird they make him. I think they always intended
for us to end up back at this man agreed.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I think they did, but I disagree. Now is an
avoidant king. Oh he's crazy on the internet. He you know,
it's just casually fathering his ex's baby, or so he thinks,
and telling Emily like, don't worry, We're just going to
work it out. Which is why my favorite is beautiful,
beautiful Alfi, who also referred to online as the negging King,
but I feel.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Like he negs her affectionately.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So Alfie Walston season two and he started.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Calling Emily Cooper in his British accent and still all
our hearts and they met in French class.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
He's played by Lucian Laviscount.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
At one point mister Shakira, I don't think they're still together,
but I couldn't find any reports of the fact that
they've broken up, and he was with.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
SQUI was in her music video, right, It's like a
little center.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Season three a lot of that they are together, developing
their sort of romance arc, and then at the end
of season three, at the wedding between Cami and Gabrielle,
he basically is.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Like, I don't want to be second choice. Cooper, like
you so fair, so fair, but I'm like, but you
can't also up.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
So in season four it sort of looks like him
and Emily might get back together for a moment, but
then it never really takes off and they quite publicly
call it off.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
At the French Open.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
They're in this marketing campaign together and He's like, I
can't do it.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I can't do it anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I stop doing it right now.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
They almost reunite at the Masquerade ball later in the season,
but it turns out when he's pouring his heart out,
he is saying it to a girl who's wearing the
same outfit as Emily.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's not Emily. Don't you just hate when that happens
the last grade Ball.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I think that men should learn to recognize women with
masks on. I don't think it's as hard as they
all think it.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Agreed, it's in a lot of film.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It happens too much. Some might say it's.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
A really big problem in our generation.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And then he ends up going for the wrong woman
because she's wearing the same outfit as Emily. Doesn't work out,
Emily leaves with Gabrielle. So Emily actually runs into him
later in the season outside a church and she's like, hey, Elfie,
what are you doing here? And he's like, oh, my
new girlfriend's.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
In there with her family together.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
And Emily doesn't even try to play a coold all
she's got tearsfully whistening in her eyes, not.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Keeping it together.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
And then right at the end of the season, when
Emily comes out she's moved to Rome. Mindy sort of
reveals that to Gabrielle, and Gabrielle's spiraling about it to
Alfie because they have this weird bromance and I never
really understood that developed in the show, and Alfie's the
one actually actively encouraging Gabrielle to go get your girl.
He actually says a beautiful line, you're letting your pride
and understanding get in the way of the world's greatest girl.
(11:38):
We both did stop thinking, start feeling. You still have
a chance.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
To get her back.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Wow, But that line reading is so much like he
still has those feelings. Why are we calling her the
greatest girl in the world. You have a girlfriend, she's
in tired.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I know.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
It's kind of like, are you saying you're over it
or are you saying you're still harboring a lot of
deep seated.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
I think he's harboring a lot of deep se Yeah,
he's back in the mix, I think.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
And he still thinks he's like not good enough or
that she'll never love him enough. Like that was his
whole thing in breaking up with her, was like, Oh,
you don't pick me, so I'm just gonna excuse myself
from the situation.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
He's really Meredith great, He's like pick me, love me.
But yeah, so it pretty much ends up at the
end of season four where it's looking like the love
triangle is going to be Gabrielle and Marcello.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
But I agree with you, Chelsea.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I think there's a good chance Alfie could just shim
me his way back into the mix.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I mean, he's still a series regular, so I'm thinking, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, and he's a bit of a fan favorite.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I think online a lot of people do think he
was the best sort of boyfriend candidate. Yeah, he is
very loyal, He's not side eyeing his ex constantly and
living in the same apartment as he.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So true, there's some things that a girl looks for
in a man.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, do you want to take us through our Italian King, Chelsea?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I will say this was placed upon me. Marcello is
not my choice choice. So to me, this is how
I see it. Gabrielle to me is trash, but I
think he's endgame. Yes, Alfie is like the dream, but
I don't think he's endgame. Marcello is both boring and
not endgame.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I'm sorry but he's got a great accent.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
He's got a great accent. He's lovely, he's like a
hot man. He's very rich, he comes from generational wealth.
Like really, yes, it's important. He buys her like fancy scarves.
They ride around together on his vestper he's lovely. I
just think for this show and for TV, he's just
too vanilla. There's no real edge to him, a little
bit too perfect. And I feel like that's sort of
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to contrast what we've seen with her and Gabrielle so far.
I will say people are kind of sick of the
love triangle, the back and forth and how messy it is,
and I think this is kind of like an over
correction of that when much Heller is like the perfect, simple,
very open about his feelings kind of guy. So season four,
he rescues Emily at the top of a mountain where
(13:45):
Gabrielle leaves her and chases after Camille.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Classic, classic, classic, But also your ex was pregnant with
your baby, you would go help her. That whole thing
was crazy, But I digress. Continue Emily Koski. You can't
leave a girl who.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
He didn't say a thing, He just zoomed off. She's
like see, so yeah, he appears out of nowhere, helps
her down the mountain like you know, shining white night.
They kind of part. Her and Gabrielle breakup. She reconnects
with Marcello and sparks are kind of flying. They spend
time together in Paris and then he's got to leave
(14:19):
to Rome. He immediately flies her out to Rome family.
That is old money.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Gabrielle could not afford to do that.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
He could not. I will say, though, introducing someone to
your family a week into knowing them, I don't know. Okay,
So she meets his family. There's a bit of a
misunderstanding because Sylvie shows up and he's now under the
impression that Emily's only spending time with him so that
a Jean's granteau can obtain his family's brand as a client,
(14:47):
which they do end up doing. So I'm like, maybe
he was right. And then in the end they kind
of figure out the miscommunication and they start dating and
presumably working together in the future, which is very on
brand for there.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
She loves to blend her urs, she loves the professional.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
She struggles to acquire accounts that don't.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
She's like, have I kissed? I'm sorry, we can't work
with them.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Darren don't spoke a little bit about Marcello in that
he said, you know, I wanted to bring in a
new love interest for Emily. That would feel like a
fresh start after all the drama with Gabrielle. Marcello comes
into Emily's life in an unexpected way and opens the
door to so many possibilities for Emily. New country, new culture,
new adventure. So that does make me wonder if do
you think most of the season will be her and
Marcello in Italy or do you think she will sort
(15:32):
of flock back to Paris.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I think she will flop back to Paris, but I
think the first part of the season will be in Rome.
I think they're going to really build on that. But
that's what leads me to believe that this is more
of like a filler relationship where we're kind of getting
a little bit of a break from the mess of
Gabrielle and then in the end she's going to come
back and be with him.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
All right, So we're all on the same page in
that Gabrielle got some problems, but she's going to.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
End up with him.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Correct, Yeah, I mean, Darren Star set. He was like,
life takes Emily in a lot of unexpected directions, that
doesn't mean they still may not have a chance to
be together. When people are meant to be together, they
find their way. And that was about Gabrielle, not Alfie.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
So personally, feel like when I talk about Emily and
Paris and I fan gil about it, I get a
lot of flak from people.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
They think it's a fluff show.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
They think it's a bit of a you know, light
and fluffy thing with not a lot of meat to it.
But I strongly believe it is pretty academic. There are
some pretty deep themes there. So if anyone else has
felt the same, coming up, you're going to feel less
alone because we're going to unpack why.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, so let's talk.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
A little bit about the phenomenon that is this show
in general, because I think people write this show off
as a lot more flippant and fluffy than it is.
I know that it is a bit of escapism, but
I think there's more to it, so I do object
to that commentary. One thing that I absolutely love about
Emily in Paris is it does deliver very sharp commentary
on cultural differences, and I love seeing that dichotomy of
(17:00):
you know, it really nails the American in Europe Trope,
and we see Emily as this real hustle culture. Sort
of her whole vibe is I'm going to be doing
the most all the time, and that just is so
stark in comparison to the very languorous French approach. You know,
they really enjoy the slower pace of life. They're taking
these long lunches. They don't understand why this American girl
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can't put work aside for two seconds and enjoy an event.
So Emily really embodies that sort of hustle culture that
we love to hate. But I think everybody sees himself
a little bit in When you guys are watching it,
do you find as though you're getting annoyed with Emily
for the way she presents herself, or do you find
yourself being like that's relatable. I wouldn't be able to
just chill in this more European way of life.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I find her pr crises annoying at times, but I
love her deally Like I think my problem sometimes is
in especially season one, it was like, as someone who
works in social media, I think I found the first
season a little bit irritating because they'd be like, Emily,
what can we do for this campaign? And she'd be like,
put a bed in the street, and everyone would be like, wow,
she's a genius.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
No one's ever thought of this before, and you're like,
my work doesn't say that.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
I was like, we don't have a budget when you
talk a couple of beds and streets. I think I
just found it a little bit like, oh, here she
comes again with her great idea. She saved the day.
But I liked it, like I enjoy seeing it. I
obviously was like, this is stupid and not real, but.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I had a great time.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I think like sometimes you can just enjoy silly things
or silly moments and like fun and whimsy.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
It's okay.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yeah, I agree. I also think the show is very
quite self aware, because I would agree season one, there
was quite a lot of criticism around how they portrayed
French people and French culture and Emily's like coming in
as the savior to be like, oh, we should do this, this, this,
But I feel like they really took that feedback on
in the later seasons where they're not portraying French culture
in a negative way. It's more kind of making fun
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of the way Emily is amongst this new culture.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, it's that contrast that they're really playing into, and
because they've hyped her up to be this ultimate, outgoing,
frenzied person, it just seems even more stuft than it
already is.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah, and there's this thing around the world, like with
tourists where it's like, oh, like if you go somewhere like,
don't go to the Eiffel Tower. That's what tourists do.
You have to live like the French do. And it's like, well,
I'm a tourist going to go to the Eiffel Tower.
And he's kind of applied that Darren Star to like
the season as a whole, like of that first season,
Like she's fun and she's whimsical, and she's wearing a
beret and she's like eating a baguet and she doesn't
understand their ways of life and they're all like, you're
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a loser, and it's like, yes, she's an American in Paris,
like she's going to be.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, it's in the title.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
It's in the title.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
One thing that I also think about a lot in
watching Emily in Paris is that obviously this is a
very female geared show. It's romance, it's fashion, it's the girl.
He's in Paris, And I was trying to think of
what the male equivalent of a quote unquote fluff.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Show would be.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
What I landed on through my research, not having actually
seen it, is Entourage.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I thought you'd be across.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You watch every show that there is, ever, and so
am I right in saying Entourage's basically this glossy, silly,
wishfulfilment fantasy about young guys living the dream in Hollywood
with not a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Of critical depth.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
But it was somehow didn't get this trope of being
branded as fluffy. I feel like people saw it as
quite cool and aspiration.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I would remove the word whimsy because it was really
just the boys and like the boy, it's like the
men on the town, and she's hot and we're doing
it in a different way. We're doing it in a
whimsical ways and Gabrielle's so pretty. Those are different things,
for sure. No, these shows are so similar. It's yeah,
it's like career hustle in this silly way, like it's
like aspirational to like make it in the industry is
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similar to what she's kind of do.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I think you've nailed it there. I think that's such
a good comparison.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
And no, I don't think Entourage was dismissed as like
It was certainly not seen as like a highbrow drama,
but it was also not seen as like silly.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I don't think I saw the phrase guilty pleasure.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
No, we're not calling men's TV shows guilty pleasures, are we?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
No, Well, maybe we should start, maybe we should.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Let's do it here.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I also think in Emily in Paris, the way we
look at female ambition is quite interesting because Emily is
constantly mocked for being too enthusiastic. She's too bright, she's
too much of a hustler, she's too focused on her job.
Everyone's like, can you just chill out a little bit.
I do feel if she was a male protagonist, it potentially.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Would be a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
And one of the parallels in my mind is Mike
Ross from Suits. Yeah, because he is a little bit
of a hustler, he can be a little bit annoying. He's,
you know, the guy you root for, He's the prodigy
who's coming up with these.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Amazing ideas nobody's thought of before. I mean, that man
broke the law.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Literal felonies to do his job, but he is and.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I don't think he gets branded with that same you're
annoying your cringe.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Obviously it is a different show.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
But when I was trying to think of how we
view ambition in the lens of this show compared to
other shows that I suppose less fully female view in
a way that Emily in Paris is Mike Ross is
sort of that example that came to mind.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Yeah, it almost feels like female ambition. And also I
think of Carry Browshaw a little bit in the sense
that like the worst thing a woman can do is
one be ambitious or cheat, whereas there are men who
are one literally breaking the law morning and we don't care. Yeah,
it is interesting.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, And like then going from Carrie, obviously she and
worked up to Vogue and she was more of a
career lady as well as having her column. We also
saw then Darren Starr Make Younger, which took place in
like a publishing house. Now with Emily in pr he
does these really great workplace also, like ambitious women in workplaces.
I wouldn't say comedy or drama. I don't know what
he does. I call it a comedy, but like, he
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does these plotlines really well, where yes there's romance, and
yes there's like friendship tension, and there's all of these
really real character traits and things they're going through, but
we also get to see the professional lives and ambitions
of women, and like, not a lot of people are.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Doing that anymore.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I think he does a phenomenal job of it, so
it's it is annoying when people dismiss it as.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Like fluff or stupid.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, And one thing that Darren Starr does so well,
and he's talked about it himself, is creating that world
that you want to.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Be immersed in. He looks so fun, it's so colorful.
He said.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
When I find a new idea that I love and
a great cast and a world that I want to
live in, I just want to write about it and
keep going. This is the richest one yet in terms
of how everyone has evolved.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I don't know if I agree with that life, but
that was him talking about a belief parent.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
But I do get that vibe from him as the
creator that he just wants to keep making more seasons
because it's so damn fun to be a part of.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
I think alsobody sayings Emily and Paris is so aspirational
of all the shows that he's made, I feel like,
and that really comes through in every way, including the fashion,
and I think that plays a huge role in why
the show is so popular. The fashion is obviously, like
the show widely loved and also widely mocked. Everyone's like, oh,
Emily's not fashionable, like she wears like crazy stuff, or
(23:34):
like how could she ever afford all these like luxury items,
But that's part of it. I think of Back when
Sex in the City was airing, there was still a
lot of criticism around how Carrie could afford the wardrobe
position that she had and how unrealistic that was her
working at this like mid tier newspaper writing like one
column a week, and at the time, Patricia Field's response
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was really like why would we want reality? Like we
want magic, Like that's what we want, And the same
thing applies to Emily in Paris, where it is aspirational.
We want Emily's outfits to be over the top and
chaotic and really mismacked, because that's really why they work.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
In an interview with Vulture last year, Darren Starr was
asked about the show being out of touch and people
perceiving it that way, and it's literally what you just said.
He was like, I was intending to make a show
that was aspirational. He's like, I wanted to create an
entertaining show about like when he was nineteen years old
and he went to Paris and he spent the summer
in Europe backpacking and fell in love with the city.
He wanted to like bring that magic to life. You
don't bring it to life by yeah, like wearing Zara
(24:31):
or wearing HNM like she's in Paris. Put the girl
in some designer like even if it's a Kangol bucket hat,
fine by me.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
But she needs to be out there. She needs to
be outre sapism of it all.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, And I always wonder watching it whether the cultural
impact of Emily in Paris in that you know, there
is that trope in Australia of either in your early
twenties or when you're ten thirdy you go to London,
you have that whole little yeah troop abroad or spent
a couple of years they're working. I have wondered if
this show has led to a pivot to Paris because
everyone's picturing themselves now in this designer outfits under the
Eiffel Tower.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
I would say in pop culture though there is a
Tina can probably speak to this, but about Paris as
like an entity in television shows or people going to
Paris or not going to Paris. Love and this it
just being this like romantic fantasy that we've all had, Yeah,
our mind's for years.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah, through drama, through comedy, even into like reality TV
Lauren Comrade, the girl who didn't go to Paris. Honestly, Yeah,
it's obviously where London is. Yeah, that exciting city, and
so it's New York. They're like the big cities, like
Paris is the one for romance and love and adventure.
And we keep saying the word whimsical, but I'm going
to keep saying it till I'm dead, because that is
this show. It is all about like that whimsical magic
that you can experience. And if you don't get to experience,
(25:37):
then you get to go with Emily. So yeah, why
would you want to see Emily do it half fast?
Like we want her to live the most ridiculous life possible,
and we.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Want her to never leave, and we want her to
never leave.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Fifty seasons of the show, they kept doing it, honestly.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
And I've never watch her in Chicago, he kind of said. Darren,
he's like with every show he's done, because he's done
so many. If you don't know, he was the creator
of Beverly Hills nine o two on Oer and Melore's Place,
and like, obviously yes, Sex and the City Younger, but
he said, this is the most over the top, the
one with the craziest fashion, the wildest settings. But at
the heart of it, and I know we're questioning this
a little of it, he's like, these are the most
complex characters he's ever done, in his opinion, Like, these
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are the characters with the narrative stories that He's like,
that's what's keeping it grounded. Like, even if you have
all of this craziness of her going to Rome and
time not being real and masquerade balls and all of
these other things that are going on, and designers like
splashing Painton being in newspapers, it's still do I like
this guy, Oh he's got another girlfriend. Oh, like my
(26:33):
visa might run out and I have to go back
to Chicago like there's still human stories in the middle
of it, even if it is a little bit ridiculous
at time.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
And as the host of The Spill Laura Broddick would say,
the show really holds a mirror up to you and
your worst treats.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So if you're on the edge of your seat and
can't wait for season five to drop, you in the
same boat as us.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
But we're gonna talk about some.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Really really crazy theories on what people think could be
coming up. We don't know if they're true or not,
but we're gonna unpack them, as well as the newcast
editions that are going to be joining the Emily and
Paris crew in season five. Okay, so we've talked about
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where all the characters are, but let's talk a little
bit about what's been happening with the cast in real life.
Because one thing that really cut me up a little
bit and all my friends who watch Emily in Paris
was Ashley Park, who plays Mindy Chen's breakup because she
was together in real life with Paul Foreman, who plays Nicola,
and they have reportedly broken up nearly two.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Years of dating.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
So sad, but so convenient that he's gone from the show.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Could you imagine having had to do that, yung? I know,
awkward at apologies.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Back to the real romance. So they were a beautiful couple,
So I was very upset about that. I thought they
were like endgame.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
They really were, And you know, they met on the
set of season three in twenty twenty two, and then
they made their romance public in twenty twenty four. Ashley
had had this big health scare and hospitalization. So it
started out as chon solidis when she was on holiday
in the Maldies, and then it spiraled into septic shock
and he was really there for her, and I remember
seeing her put up this Instagram post being like grateful
(28:09):
most of all to app por form and being unconditionally
by my side. I love you, I love them, and
I think everyone you know, this show is so much
about escapism and what adds to escapism.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
By the layer of shipping your favorite couples.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
In real life.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Oh god, quite interesting. I hated them together on the show,
but I loved them as a real life couple.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I never liked his character, like didn't like their vibe,
but as real people, they just seemed really sweet.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah. Interestingly, the chemistry I would say between those two characters,
as you say, not something amazing in Emily and Paris
on the show, but apparently their chemistry in real life
was popping from the get go, because Lily Collins has
said their chemistry was off the damn charts.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
She clocked it really early. Ashley denied it.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
She was like, you know, Lily saw the chemistry and
was like, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
And I said nothing. I told you I wasn't dating actors.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
And then she says she did a loss of dignity tour,
admitting Lily everyone we are so in love. I think
everyone can relate to that when you vehemently denied something
and then you have to be like, I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But yeah, it seems as though they've split.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Neither of them have made it any public statements, but
Ashley did go to Selena Gomez and Benny Blanco's wedding alone.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Not to say you can't go to a wedding solo
if you have a partner. Bet this is just adding
to the fuel that people have to speculation.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Oh I'm sad about that.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
I'm sad too.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
So while we're on the real life cast and what
they've been up to.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Chelsea.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I know you have some thoughts on Lucas Bravo has been,
you know, yapping a little about his.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Running his mouth, so saying Miamily in Paris WhatsApp group
hate Gabrielle, but no one hates Gabrielle more than Lucas Bravos.
So true. He's said a lot over the years, I
would say, so he's complained about not having much creative
freedom to do what he wants with the character. He
said he doesn't really get the character anymore. He is
(29:52):
a quote saying I tried for seasons to bring you answers,
but we don't have much liberty on set. We cannot
change a word or emotion. So and he's also said
that they spend five months filming this show, and does
he really want to spend time doing something that doesn't
really excite him anymore. So clearly he's kind of checked
out of this character a little bit. And I do
(30:15):
think it's very interesting that we do see many male
actors kind of feel this way about projects that really
put them on the map, and particularly projects that really
geared towards women and girls. Twilight Jacob Elodie in The
Kissing Booth, and they really don't get as much backlash
as I think they should. But when women do it.
(30:36):
I remember Catherine Heigel doing this years ago, obviously with
Knocked Up. She made some comments about it being a
little bit sexist, which I mean fair enough. Yeah, she
made some comments about Gray's Anatomy and the writing not
being great one particular season, and she got so much backlash.
I mean, she didn't really work for ten years really
out of the Spotlight four, just saying what she thought
about a show that she was on.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
And giving quite nuanced opinions too, whereas the boys are
often quite silly, like Jacob Elordi with the Kissing Booth
is like, oh I didn't see it. You didn't see
your own movie? Oh okay, and everyone's like he's so funny.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I love him.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
He was also like, oh it was ridiculous, Like I
didn't really want to be in and I'm like, well,
then why were you in it.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
They're saying that retrospectively.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I mean he's saying Lucas Bravo is saying all this
while he's still going into another season get check.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
But you know, like he's fighting for his character Lucas,
and like, I wonder if they'll be a bit stressed
about it, because I think Lucas is like the rest
of us. So many people thought Gabrielle was like as
much as he had a love triangle, they found him charming,
they found him lovable in season one, and then they
feel like his character has just, I don't know, fallen
off a cliff. They don't understand what's happened to him.
And it's like Lucas is like the number one leading
(31:41):
into Darren's start office, and he's like, fixed my character
and it's obviously not working. So he's taking it to
the streets. He's taking it to like vox pops and interviews,
because he did an interview where he said, and this
is kind of off the back of what you've said.
He was filming the scene where like Genevieve kissed him
in season four, and in the interview he was like, oh,
I was playing it kind of like he's not wanting this.
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He's like, I love Emily, I actively want to be
with Emily. Why would I enjoy this? And the director
was like, no, stop, He's meant to be a bit
curious and a bit excited, and Luke was like.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Why why, and he was like, so whatever. I tried.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Like he's so clearly like over it that he's announcing
to the general public, like I tried, guys, I also
know what you.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Want, same Bain. I have the theory that he refused
to cut his hair because he does look, let's be honest,
like very disheveled in giving Christo. It's giving Christal and
I think he's just sick of it, and he's like,
I'm not gonna cut my hair. But season five, we
have seen the promotional pictures season one, Gabrielle is back,
short hair, He's looking clean, he's looking looking good.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
So looking good, I think we're coming back.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Do we think they've had a word with him or
has he had a word with them and they've worked
out how to like maybe make his character more lovable again,
So he's willing to play bare.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
The hair is number one.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
They've got a pr genius, much like Emily, Like.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Guys, I've solved it. Let's cut his hair well.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Regardless of what he said, Lucas Bravo is returning in
season five, but there is one key character who isn't
returning in season five.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Do you know who is it?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
It's Cami Rizatt who plays or So Cami, Cami playing
Kelly Comi, and she was.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Quite similar to Lucas last season when it aired, she
was also in the press giving interviews like don't know
what's going on, don't understand it. She gave this quote
to Vogue of I'm going to be very honest, I
feel really disconnected from her this season. I really don't
understand her anymore. I wish for her to be happy
like that.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
She just was so like like.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Lucas, going, what the hell have you done to my character?
Who is this woman?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
And obviously decided that being on the show was no
longer something that she wanted to do. In an interview
with Deadline, Darren Starr kind of said that she was
written off the show because her story kind of had
a natural finish. Obviously we know that, like by the
end of season four, it was revealed that she'd had
like a false pregnancy with Gabrielle. But on her own Instagram,
she said that like her exit was by design. She
was like she was ready to part ways with Netflix
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over the show. She wrote about all of her other
projects coming up, so similar to Lucas probably like these
sorts of shows take up your whole life, really, So
if you're going to be hon it and it's not fulfilling,
I guess you might decide it's time to leave.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I could make it work a few months in Paris.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It looks pretty fun, would it be me. I'd be
the time of my life, Like I'd be a background
extra on that show and I'd go, let's do a
decade you in the background.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
But she did say that the characters meant a lot
to her. She just feels like the stories come to
an end and it's time for her to do something else.
But I think she's not fully closing the door, Like
maybe she'd make a cameo in season seven.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Who knows, I'll miss coming. Actually, yeah, I know it's contentious,
but I really love her style icon. Yeah, a style
kon for sure.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
And she's so quintessentially French. Yeah, and the best way,
she's so cool.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
And I've seen so many fans kind of feel what
you feel of like that thing of like I really
loved her before they seem to ruin her character, like
Season one Gorgeous Girl was written for her was not rooting.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
For Emily Coopler. Yeah, absolutely not. Well, we know she's
not coming back.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
But let's talk about what we do know going into
the new season, because we know there's a new guy
on the block.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He is Jake.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
He's another American living in Paris, not to steal Emily's thunder,
played by Brian Greenberg of One Tree Hill and Bridewaar's Fame, Chelse.
What do we know about this character and what do
you think is gonna happen with him?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
We don't know a whole lot about him, I will
say Brian Greenberg, we agree.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
The most beautiful man to ever do it.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, but it's hard when you're up against the likes
of your Gabriell's. Yeah, Alfie's like it's Steve's.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
He's hot, he's gorgeous and bribbles. He plays this like
journalist working is it the New York Magazine? I can't
remember that. He's just like big journalists and he's very
sensitive and.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah, and the girl is well, yeah, remember him from
like One Tree Hill if they watched it, he's in
the MINDI project at one point.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, he's this is his new moment to shine.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
Yeah, he's one of those actors that I think deserves
to be a bit of a bigger deal. Yeah, yeah,
I'm much bigger deal. We don't know a lot about him.
My prediction is that he is going to be a
little bit of a new love intrist, not endgame necessarily. Yes,
I reckon he's going to be a bit of a
work rival. It's gonna be a bit of an enemy's
to lovers arc where like they clash. He's kind of
very assimilated into French culture and he's still kind of
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trying to do that, so they kind of butting heads
and then they kind of work together and figure it
out and maybe something.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yeah, there's been some set photos of them, like where
like he's in a suite, she's in like work outfit.
So I feel like, yeah, we're gonna get some good
like professional clashes. I'm on your wavelength. I do think
if we look at this in the scope of I
guess his other shows that he's done six seven seasons
whatever they may be. Like if we're on season five
and he wants to keep it going and he doesn't
want to do this love triangle thing every five seconds,
but he has an endgame in mind. We're gonna have
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to have new love interests, new things that happen. So
I think it's a really interesting like maybe this is
her aiden from Sex and the City, maybe this is
her storyline for that, But like you know, you need
a little something fresh, and I'm excited for that.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
In terms of other I guess season five predictions. I
think a lot of fans do want a bit of
an alpha redemption nut because he didn't get a.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Lot of time in season four.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Beautiful boy, Yeah, we want to see him come back.
I don't know if that's going to be in a
romantic sense. I don't know if there'll be a spinoff
one day like Alfie and appens she.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Goes to a last gard alas.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
But I did read a crazy fan theory because I
love to get into the little reddit threads of Emily
in Paris and see what the crazy people are saying.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I mean the crazy people, but I IDENTI fight with.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
And I did read one about how Alfie turns into
a full on villain arc post breakup, and it was
written as brooding brit hacks Emily's insta for full revenge scandal,
then proposes marriage as final ultimatum in airport scene, fans
meme him as Brexit Bond villain.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
I'm not mad about that.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Where has this come from?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
It was late at night, me and my community, we'reout
thinking about what could be coming.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
So the theory is that like he's just going to
become a bit of a villain and like a Bond
villain style, and he's gonna like hack her professional career.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yes, I teached him sort of logging on going live
ye saying problematic things.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Then he's like take me back, kind of like last
time when like Kemi's brother was like on TikTok being
like they slandering her.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Okay, so she's going to be slandered. But the final
ultimatum confuses me. So he's gonna be like take me
back or I won't give you.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
The logo.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Always good an Emily Emparas situation.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I do want to get on the front foot and
say this is not what I think is.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Gonna It's just a funny something exciting might happen though,
because he spoke to People magazine like literally very recently
and he said I think this season we'll see a
different side of Alfie, could be an evil side. Who
could say for sure, but he said it was maybe
a more adventurous side. But he said, Alfie's out there,
you know, I just want to tell you guys, I'm
holding back. So he was holding back from people mag
He didn't want to spill the tea, but he said,
(38:31):
it's crazy. I think there's always a kind of scope
in the Emily in Paris universe for anything to happen.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, there is always scope for Emily to do anything.
We never know what's going to happen in this show,
and I think the new trailer that's dropped for season
five was actually a really good example of that, because
there's one thing that I don't think any of us
predicted happening. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks
like Alfie and Mindy I're gonna have a little something
this season. And I don't know how to feel about it.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 5 (38:57):
I don't know if this is controversial, but I love it.
I love Alfie, I love Mindy. I think it makes sense.
I also think Alfie's arc with Emily kind of came
to an end and it didn't seem like anything was
going to happen there. I also have never really been
rooting for Emily and Alfie together really since the beginning.
(39:19):
I think she doesn't treat him well. He deserves better,
and Mindy, being the queen that she is, I think
it's a perfect pairing.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
What do you think, Tina, I'm aligned, like I just
don't see Alfie and Emily ending up together. He's too
good for her and he deserves to find it's happily
ever after, and so does Mindy. I don't necessarily want
to see it become like them sneaking around behind her
back thing. I'm kind of hoping it's more like she
sees them having chemistry and is supportive and then they
hook up.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
But who could say. Maybe it's a drunken hook up.
Who knows, But either way, I'm pumped for it. I'm ready.
What about you?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
No, guys, I disagree.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
I'm very edry.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And the reason is not just because I'm team Alfie
for Emily, but I just think throughout Emily in Paris,
it's one of those shows where you know, the men
sort of come and go, and Mindy and Emily's friendship
is one of those stabilizing things. You know, they met
on the park bench. It's quite a meet cute, and
for me, it's just it's not a girl's girl move.
I mean, I know they're over, but I mean that's
her ex.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
What do I call Emily a girl's girl? Though?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Could call Mindy a girl's girl, And I feel like
this is going against those values. Also in the trailer,
they don't actually fully kiss, but it looks like they're
doing some sort of dance situation.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I'm like, is he joining Eurovisions? I don't really know
what's happening there.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I'm just not for it.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
And it's not just because I want him and Emily
to end up together, because I know that's not gonna happen.
But yeah, I just don't I'd be mad at Mindy
if I was Emily. I don't know if that's unfair.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
It's a little bit of frustrating because we just spent
several seasons watching a love triangle on Fold between Gabrielle,
Kemi and Emily and like then also Gabrielle Alphi and Emily,
and like, we've been doing the love triangle thing with
like friendship dynamics and betrayal and cheating, and I just
don't want to see that again. I don't need her
to go through yet another situation where like one of
her girlfriends and her are feuding over a boy. So
(40:57):
I'm also hoping that, like we just clear the air
before any of this starts. Like Alphae just doesn't seem
me interested in her. He sent Gabrielle off to Paris,
So I'm hoping that, like they have a friendship before
this all happens, and it's very clear, it's like we're
all good, no one's fighting, and then you can feel
fine about the fact that everyone's a girl's girl.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
I'm also like quite happy with It's kind of like
gossip girl, right, like who cares?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Like who cares?
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Serena dates Dan, Serena dates Nay Blair dates Dan. I'm
really for that, just like mix it up. You know,
it's definitely.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Around.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I think the real teaching here is that clearly there's
two smaller pool of men in Europe.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Like I can't find anyone else these gorgeous women.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
All the hobbitsmen in Europe are taken, so this is
what's left.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
It is kind of interesting to see, yeah, Alfie getting
his own little arc here, and I suppose for the
Alfie fans, it is nice to see that He's definitely
going to be there and have what seems like a
bit of a presence in season five.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
Yeah, producers definitely caught onto the fact that we just
love ALFI. I think maybe he was supposed to be
on for like one or two seasons, but the fandom
really just rallied around Alfie. We love him. There are
so many stands online, so I don't think it makes
sense for him to have his own little story and yeah,
to have his own side plot and new new romance
outside of the Emily universe.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
And this is very net like they did the same
thing with Steve Harrington and Stranger things, Like he was
supposed to get killed off at the end of season one,
and the people were liking him so much in like
test screenings and like obviously the people working on set
that they were like, no, we'll expand his character. Fan
reactions were so strong that they were like, cool, he's
now the favorite forever and we treat him like a king.
So Alfie's getting the Steve Harrington treatment.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I could weirdly see him almost going on a similar
character journey that Hugh Grant sort of was on in
the second Bridget Jones, and he's.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I could weirdly also see him being scouted as like
a travel TV presenter. He's this like brit in Paris
and he starts filming these segments tourism.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Why not have thought him to this man's character development.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Probably none of it will see the light of day,
but they're on his personal LinkedIn page, like the career
opportunities for hot breaks in Paris exactly.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Well. One other thing I've been thinking about a lot
is how much time do we think she's actually going
to spend in Paris, because obviously we've discussed how she's
now in Rome.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
But I just do feel like this show is all
about Emily in Paris.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
And I mean Emmanuel Macron, the French President, was most
upset when he found out that Emily would be leaving Paris.
He said in his Variety interview last year, we will
fight hard and we will ask them to remain in Paris.
Emily in Paris in Rome doesn't make sense. But Rome's
Maya clapped back and said, take it easy, Emmanuel Macron.
Emily in Rome is perfect, so funny.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
I mean, I love the geopolitical discourse this show starts.
It's very important. It has depth, and it's so funny that.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Yeah, like you were saying earlier, like French people reacted
with some French people, not all reacted quite poorly to
Emily in Paris as like yeah, like this mischaracterization of
their people, and like they're allowed to think that. But
then the French president is coming out of being like,
come back, please give the tourism money.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
You're a really big part of us now, actually a
big part of our culture.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
So do you guys think we are going to maybe
see the first few episodes in Rome and then something
brings her back to Paris.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (44:03):
I reckon she'll be back and forth. I mean, what
is it a couple hours flight? Maybe we should map
that one out like a hop on the Google maps.
But I do think she'll be back and forth.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
Yeah, I think that too. I also maybe future seasons
we can have like based in Paris. I would watch
like Emily in Tokyo, Emily and Soul else I don't know,
just not Chicago.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
All right, good plan we've got for Emily there.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Thank you so much for joining us today to get
across everything that you need to know before Emily in
Paris season five. So all ten episodes are going to
be dropping at once on Thursday, the eighteenth of December,
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Welcome to The Spill's Watch Party, where we unpacked the
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The Spill, as well as this podcast, Watch Party, and
I'm also one of Emily and Paris's biggest fans.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I love watching that.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Girl, Emily just doing her thing in Paris, so I
have never been more excited about an episode of Watch Party.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
But I'm also joined by two other big super fans
of the show.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'm Tina Burke.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I'm Muma me as pop culture and social editor, which
means I really really love watching TV and I love
watching Tiatok edit, so this is my dream come true.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
I'm Chelsea Hoy. I'm the entertainment producer mum Mia, and
I too love movies, TV and all things pop culture,
but Emily and Paris is like my absolute favorite, so
I'm very excited.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I feel like a lot of spiraling is going to
go down to the So we've quite literally been waiting
more than a year for this. We're just days away
from Emily in Paris season five dropping, and that's going
to be ten fresh episodes of Emily Cooper Goodness on
the eighteenth of December. We're going to be covering them
here in depth in this podcast, But first we're going
to get you caught up.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
On everything you need to know.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
You might remember Emily left Paris to somewhere a little
bit more Italian, So as long as you're up to
day with that, you're safe. But if you aren't and
you want to avoid spoilers, just make sure you go
finish up and then come back for your preseason hype up.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
If we're going to open an office and Rome, let's
really show the Italian's house done.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I don't think my ideas are translating, but Rome.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Wasn't built in a day and yet on into two
one day to destrait.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Rome is so new and exciting, but I have built
a life for myself in Paris.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Everything is just going all about you know.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
They're saying you can't go home again, Well you can,
it's leaving.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
That's the hard part.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I know.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I'm excited for the future.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
I think you should be too.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
All Right, I'm going to kick things off with a
bit of a rundown of where all the characters ended
up at the end of last season. So our girl Emily,
she is moving from Paris to Rome. It's like she
doesn't know the name of the show. And she's going
on her little Italian adventure. So Agents Gratto, the place
that she works, the PR firm, They've landed a six
month contract with Umberto Moratori and they are like this
(02:43):
luxurious cashmir producing company and they've landed this contract. So
she's going there to run the Italian leg of the company.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And of course, because Emily is who she is, her
personal life in her professional life have to be intertwined.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
So she is also in a relationship with Marcello, who
is the son the heir to the Kashmir Empire, and
conveniently she's now going to be in Italy with him.
At the end of the episode, they ride off into
the sunset on a vesper.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I mean, living out our dreams.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
It's Hillary Duff moment. I also loved the moment where
he didn't know about Loulie Maguire.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
What movie is that red flag?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Honestly, he's a red flag.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So we know that this contract with the Moratuory Company
is six months and the condition is Emily is going
to stay in Rome to run the account. So a
little bit open ended there, I guess as to how
long she is going to be in Rome.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, she's a nightmare for the visit department.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
But anyway, and so her bestie Mindy, came to Italy
to visit her, of course, because she also hops all
around the world. She has broken up with Nikola, and
she did a street performance in Rome of her new
song that she's written, Beautiful Ruins, and that went viral,
which led to Chinese pop star calling her and saying
why don't you come and be a judge. So she
was leaving to go back to Shanghai, and a lot
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of people were really worried she wasn't going to come
back for season five.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
But she is coming back to Thank God, I think
what would we do without.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So luckily she is coming back. But she's currently on
her way to China. In Emily and Paris in.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
The universe, obviously.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
We have to talk about the three men in Emily's life.
So Gabrielle Alfi and Marcello. So we all sort of
thought we'd take one of them and catch you up
as to where they're at and the likelihood that we
think they have of winning Emily's heart.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I'm not going to say who assigned who was going to.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Take control of I somehow ended up with my favorite somehow.
So do you want to take us away with leading
French heart throb chef man Gabrielle Tina.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yes, I'm going to paint quite a picture of this man,
because I think that he is the star of this
series personally. If you lived in Australia in twenty twenty,
we were in a lockdown or restrictions of sorts. So
we weren't going anywhere, we weren't doing anything. We were
not having romantic rendezvous of our own, we were not
having fashion forward moments in the streets or catching up
with cool coworkers.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
We were at home.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
We were not and by we Ham and Me and
then this show comes just like out of the woodwork
and it gives us all of that, like beautiful travel
and romance and like this sackering sweet that was just
ridiculous but so much fun and at the heart of
that was just the most beautiful Frenchman to ever exist.
And his name was Gabrielle and he was played by
Lucas Bravo. He wore a nice little French I don't know, Apron,
(05:21):
what do they wear when they cook? A little chefs suit?
He wore a button up suit. He had blonde hair.
Who knew blonde men could be hot? And I mean
I say that, and I've kind of got the same
hair color as him, just for our audio listeners, like
a sandy kind of sandy beautiful blonde hair. And he
helps random American women. He was a little bit sly
because he never really told Emily that, like he had
a girlfriend. But that's just French. Okay, it's all just French,
(05:43):
and we love Gabrielle. It's just the culture. But in
season three we ended on that cliffhanger of Gabrielle and
Cami's like almost wedding and then they didn't get married.
And where that letters to was that at the start
of season four, One, he thinks he's going to be
a dad. Two he's single and realizes he can be
with Emily. Three he thinks he's going to get a
Michelin stuff, and that's the kind of like whimsy that
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we want in Emily in Paris. We want a random
man to get a Micheline staff season four for Gabrielle.
This is what Lucas Bravo said to Netflix. He said
he enters with the promise of a Michelin star, being
a dad, and his love for Emily because they're both
finally single and they can be together, so it's only
hope and a bright future ahead of him. In season four,
he had a terrible time because there was miscommunications a plenty,
one being a fake pregnancy trope, so Kenny thought she
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was pregnant, finds out she's not, and then she's like,
you know what, perhaps I will just lie and keep
it going. And if time was real in the world
of Emily in Paris, she would have given birth in
the time that this season takes place. But that doesn't happen,
and no one notices.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
With suspender dispelief, we just.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Pretend it's fine, and so he has a fake pregnancy trope.
He loses his romance with Emily through miscommunication. Once again,
nobody on this show knows how to have a conversation.
He thought he was going to get a Michelin Star
earlier in the season, and then it turned out there
was a fraud involved and so he couldn't get his
Michelin star, and then later on he gets it. It
was a hole back and forth. The whole trope this
season for him was just mishaps of miscommunication. He realized
(07:01):
that he wasn't going to be a dad, but maybe
that was something he'd like in the future, and who
would he like it with Emily Cooper?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
But all know she's gone to room, so damn it Emily.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
So we kind of left off the season for him
of like the idea that I think he's going to
follow Emily to Rome and it's all going to be
very exciting. But Lucas said that at the end of
the season it's the most mature he's ever been.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I don't know that fans really believe or buy that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I don't see that at all.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
He thinks he's very focused and he's going to go
to war for what he wants, so it seemingly ends
with him like probably going to Rome to get the girl.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But the fans didn't really like that.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
No, we did not.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
The fans were not happy. Chelsea leading the chart She's
probably the one in the TikTok comments. The thing that
we saw over and over again was people saying, like,
the real problem is Gabrielle. They don't understand why, like
every time Emily gets a happy ending, he comes back
to destroy it. My favorite one was why does Gabrielle
suddenly look like Christoph from Frozen? So there were also
so much commentary on his hair.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Very unfair. I think he looked beautiful.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
But regardless of the fact that a lot of people
aren't really happy with him and they don't really like him,
I think he's going to be the winner for one
obvious reason.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
This is Darren Starr.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
He's like the mister Big.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
He is the mister Big.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Every single time that Darren does one of these Girl
in a Big City tropes where she's got her career
and her dreams and her love interests. The pilot episode,
the person that the main character likes, same with younger,
same with sex in the city, that is who they
end up with. So I think they we're going to
see her end up with Gabrielle, And so I'm rooting
for a winner. I don't really care if he's a
problematic guy. I'm here for the winning story. That's my
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personal opinion.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And then he may die on a Peloton if Sex
and the City is everything to go by.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I don't think, darn Star.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
They actually spoke about that with Vulture last year and
he was like, Peloton wanted to advertise with Emily in
Paris and it fell through, and he was like, maybe
they were traumatized from maybe a treadmill maybe, But like
the thing with Darren Starr is that he said that,
like with Sex and the City, he was really conscious
that he wanted the pilot from the get go to
be the thread that carried them through. So he always
wanted it to be carrying mister Big. And I think
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he's done that again with us with Emily in Paris.
He wants it to be Gabrielle, no matter how problematic
and weird they make him. I think they always intended
for us to end up back at this man agreed.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I think they did, but I disagree. Now is an
avoidant king. Oh he's crazy on the internet. He you know,
it's just casually fathering his ex's baby, or so he thinks,
and telling Emily like, don't worry, We're just going to
work it out. Which is why my favorite is beautiful,
beautiful Alfi, who also referred to online as the negging King,
but I feel.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Like he negs her affectionately.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
So Alfie Walston season two and he started.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Calling Emily Cooper in his British accent and still all
our hearts and they met in French class.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
He's played by Lucian Laviscount.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
At one point mister Shakira, I don't think they're still together,
but I couldn't find any reports of the fact that
they've broken up, and he was with.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
SQUI was in her music video, right, It's like a
little center.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Season three a lot of that they are together, developing
their sort of romance arc, and then at the end
of season three, at the wedding between Cami and Gabrielle,
he basically is.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Like, I don't want to be second choice. Cooper, like
you so fair, so fair, but I'm like, but you
can't also up.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
So in season four it sort of looks like him
and Emily might get back together for a moment, but
then it never really takes off and they quite publicly
call it off.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
At the French Open.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
They're in this marketing campaign together and He's like, I
can't do it.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I can't do it anyway.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I stop doing it right now.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
They almost reunite at the Masquerade ball later in the season,
but it turns out when he's pouring his heart out,
he is saying it to a girl who's wearing the
same outfit as Emily.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's not Emily. Don't you just hate when that happens
the last grade Ball.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I think that men should learn to recognize women with
masks on. I don't think it's as hard as they
all think it.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Agreed, it's in a lot of film.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It happens too much. Some might say it's.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
A really big problem in our generation.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And then he ends up going for the wrong woman
because she's wearing the same outfit as Emily. Doesn't work out,
Emily leaves with Gabrielle. So Emily actually runs into him
later in the season outside a church and she's like, hey, Elfie,
what are you doing here? And he's like, oh, my
new girlfriend's.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
In there with her family together.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
And Emily doesn't even try to play a coold all
she's got tearsfully whistening in her eyes, not.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Keeping it together.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
And then right at the end of the season, when
Emily comes out she's moved to Rome. Mindy sort of
reveals that to Gabrielle, and Gabrielle's spiraling about it to
Alfie because they have this weird bromance and I never
really understood that developed in the show, and Alfie's the
one actually actively encouraging Gabrielle to go get your girl.
He actually says a beautiful line, you're letting your pride
and understanding get in the way of the world's greatest girl.
(11:38):
We both did stop thinking, start feeling. You still have
a chance.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
To get her back.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Wow, But that line reading is so much like he
still has those feelings. Why are we calling her the
greatest girl in the world. You have a girlfriend, she's
in tired.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I know.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
It's kind of like, are you saying you're over it
or are you saying you're still harboring a lot of
deep seated.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
I think he's harboring a lot of deep se Yeah,
he's back in the mix, I think.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
And he still thinks he's like not good enough or
that she'll never love him enough. Like that was his
whole thing in breaking up with her, was like, Oh,
you don't pick me, so I'm just gonna excuse myself
from the situation.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
He's really Meredith great, He's like pick me, love me.
But yeah, so it pretty much ends up at the
end of season four where it's looking like the love
triangle is going to be Gabrielle and Marcello.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
But I agree with you, Chelsea.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I think there's a good chance Alfie could just shim
me his way back into the mix.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
I mean, he's still a series regular, so I'm thinking, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, and he's a bit of a fan favorite.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I think online a lot of people do think he
was the best sort of boyfriend candidate. Yeah, he is
very loyal, He's not side eyeing his ex constantly and
living in the same apartment as he.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So true, there's some things that a girl looks for
in a man.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, do you want to take us through our Italian King, Chelsea?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
I will say this was placed upon me. Marcello is
not my choice choice. So to me, this is how
I see it. Gabrielle to me is trash, but I
think he's endgame. Yes, Alfie is like the dream, but
I don't think he's endgame. Marcello is both boring and
not endgame.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I'm sorry but he's got a great accent.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
He's got a great accent. He's lovely, he's like a
hot man. He's very rich, he comes from generational wealth.
Like really, yes, it's important. He buys her like fancy scarves.
They ride around together on his vestper he's lovely. I
just think for this show and for TV, he's just
too vanilla. There's no real edge to him, a little
bit too perfect. And I feel like that's sort of
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to contrast what we've seen with her and Gabrielle so far.
I will say people are kind of sick of the
love triangle, the back and forth and how messy it is,
and I think this is kind of like an over
correction of that when much Heller is like the perfect, simple,
very open about his feelings kind of guy. So season four,
he rescues Emily at the top of a mountain where
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Gabrielle leaves her and chases after Camille.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Classic, classic, classic, But also your ex was pregnant with
your baby, you would go help her. That whole thing
was crazy, But I digress. Continue Emily Koski. You can't
leave a girl who.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
He didn't say a thing, He just zoomed off. She's
like see, so yeah, he appears out of nowhere, helps
her down the mountain like you know, shining white night.
They kind of part. Her and Gabrielle breakup. She reconnects
with Marcello and sparks are kind of flying. They spend
time together in Paris and then he's got to leave
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to Rome. He immediately flies her out to Rome family.
That is old money.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Gabrielle could not afford to do that.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
He could not. I will say, though, introducing someone to
your family a week into knowing them, I don't know. Okay,
So she meets his family. There's a bit of a
misunderstanding because Sylvie shows up and he's now under the
impression that Emily's only spending time with him so that
a Jean's granteau can obtain his family's brand as a client,
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which they do end up doing. So I'm like, maybe
he was right. And then in the end they kind
of figure out the miscommunication and they start dating and
presumably working together in the future, which is very on
brand for there.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
She loves to blend her urs, she loves the professional.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
She struggles to acquire accounts that don't.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
She's like, have I kissed? I'm sorry, we can't work
with them.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Darren don't spoke a little bit about Marcello in that
he said, you know, I wanted to bring in a
new love interest for Emily. That would feel like a
fresh start after all the drama with Gabrielle. Marcello comes
into Emily's life in an unexpected way and opens the
door to so many possibilities for Emily. New country, new culture,
new adventure. So that does make me wonder if do
you think most of the season will be her and
Marcello in Italy or do you think she will sort
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of flock back to Paris.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I think she will flop back to Paris, but I
think the first part of the season will be in Rome.
I think they're going to really build on that. But
that's what leads me to believe that this is more
of like a filler relationship where we're kind of getting
a little bit of a break from the mess of
Gabrielle and then in the end she's going to come
back and be with him.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
All right, So we're all on the same page in
that Gabrielle got some problems, but she's going to.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
End up with him.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Correct, Yeah, I mean, Darren Star set. He was like,
life takes Emily in a lot of unexpected directions, that
doesn't mean they still may not have a chance to
be together. When people are meant to be together, they
find their way. And that was about Gabrielle, not Alfie.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
So personally, feel like when I talk about Emily and
Paris and I fan gil about it, I get a
lot of flak from people.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
They think it's a fluff show.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
They think it's a bit of a you know, light
and fluffy thing with not a lot of meat to it.
But I strongly believe it is pretty academic. There are
some pretty deep themes there. So if anyone else has
felt the same, coming up, you're going to feel less
alone because we're going to unpack why.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, so let's talk.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
A little bit about the phenomenon that is this show
in general, because I think people write this show off
as a lot more flippant and fluffy than it is.
I know that it is a bit of escapism, but
I think there's more to it, so I do object
to that commentary. One thing that I absolutely love about
Emily in Paris is it does deliver very sharp commentary
on cultural differences, and I love seeing that dichotomy of
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you know, it really nails the American in Europe Trope,
and we see Emily as this real hustle culture. Sort
of her whole vibe is I'm going to be doing
the most all the time, and that just is so
stark in comparison to the very languorous French approach. You know,
they really enjoy the slower pace of life. They're taking
these long lunches. They don't understand why this American girl
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can't put work aside for two seconds and enjoy an event.
So Emily really embodies that sort of hustle culture that
we love to hate. But I think everybody sees himself
a little bit in When you guys are watching it,
do you find as though you're getting annoyed with Emily
for the way she presents herself, or do you find
yourself being like that's relatable. I wouldn't be able to
just chill in this more European way of life.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I find her pr crises annoying at times, but I
love her deally Like I think my problem sometimes is
in especially season one, it was like, as someone who
works in social media, I think I found the first
season a little bit irritating because they'd be like, Emily,
what can we do for this campaign? And she'd be like,
put a bed in the street, and everyone would be like, wow,
she's a genius.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
No one's ever thought of this before, and you're like,
my work doesn't say that.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
I was like, we don't have a budget when you
talk a couple of beds and streets. I think I
just found it a little bit like, oh, here she
comes again with her great idea. She saved the day.
But I liked it, like I enjoy seeing it. I
obviously was like, this is stupid and not real, but.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I had a great time.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I think like sometimes you can just enjoy silly things
or silly moments and like fun and whimsy.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
It's okay.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yeah, I agree. I also think the show is very
quite self aware, because I would agree season one, there
was quite a lot of criticism around how they portrayed
French people and French culture and Emily's like coming in
as the savior to be like, oh, we should do this, this, this,
But I feel like they really took that feedback on
in the later seasons where they're not portraying French culture
in a negative way. It's more kind of making fun
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of the way Emily is amongst this new culture.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, it's that contrast that they're really playing into, and
because they've hyped her up to be this ultimate, outgoing,
frenzied person, it just seems even more stuft than it
already is.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Yeah, and there's this thing around the world, like with
tourists where it's like, oh, like if you go somewhere like,
don't go to the Eiffel Tower. That's what tourists do.
You have to live like the French do. And it's like, well,
I'm a tourist going to go to the Eiffel Tower.
And he's kind of applied that Darren Star to like
the season as a whole, like of that first season,
Like she's fun and she's whimsical, and she's wearing a
beret and she's like eating a baguet and she doesn't
understand their ways of life and they're all like, you're
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a loser, and it's like, yes, she's an American in Paris,
like she's going to be.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, it's in the title.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
It's in the title.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
One thing that I also think about a lot in
watching Emily in Paris is that obviously this is a
very female geared show. It's romance, it's fashion, it's the girl.
He's in Paris, And I was trying to think of
what the male equivalent of a quote unquote fluff.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Show would be.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
What I landed on through my research, not having actually
seen it, is Entourage.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I thought you'd be across.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You watch every show that there is, ever, and so
am I right in saying Entourage's basically this glossy, silly,
wishfulfilment fantasy about young guys living the dream in Hollywood
with not a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Of critical depth.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
But it was somehow didn't get this trope of being
branded as fluffy. I feel like people saw it as
quite cool and aspiration.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I would remove the word whimsy because it was really
just the boys and like the boy, it's like the
men on the town, and she's hot and we're doing
it in a different way. We're doing it in a
whimsical ways and Gabrielle's so pretty. Those are different things,
for sure. No, these shows are so similar. It's yeah,
it's like career hustle in this silly way, like it's
like aspirational to like make it in the industry is
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similar to what she's kind of do.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I think you've nailed it there. I think that's such
a good comparison.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
And no, I don't think Entourage was dismissed as like
It was certainly not seen as like a highbrow drama,
but it was also not seen as like silly.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I don't think I saw the phrase guilty pleasure.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
No, we're not calling men's TV shows guilty pleasures, are we?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
No, Well, maybe we should start, maybe we should.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Let's do it here.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I also think in Emily in Paris, the way we
look at female ambition is quite interesting because Emily is
constantly mocked for being too enthusiastic. She's too bright, she's
too much of a hustler, she's too focused on her job.
Everyone's like, can you just chill out a little bit.
I do feel if she was a male protagonist, it potentially.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Would be a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
And one of the parallels in my mind is Mike
Ross from Suits. Yeah, because he is a little bit
of a hustler, he can be a little bit annoying. He's,
you know, the guy you root for, He's the prodigy
who's coming up with these.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Amazing ideas nobody's thought of before. I mean, that man
broke the law.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Literal felonies to do his job, but he is and.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I don't think he gets branded with that same you're
annoying your cringe.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Obviously it is a different show.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
But when I was trying to think of how we
view ambition in the lens of this show compared to
other shows that I suppose less fully female view in
a way that Emily in Paris is Mike Ross is
sort of that example that came to mind.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Yeah, it almost feels like female ambition. And also I
think of Carry Browshaw a little bit in the sense
that like the worst thing a woman can do is
one be ambitious or cheat, whereas there are men who
are one literally breaking the law morning and we don't care. Yeah,
it is interesting.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah, And like then going from Carrie, obviously she and
worked up to Vogue and she was more of a
career lady as well as having her column. We also
saw then Darren Starr Make Younger, which took place in
like a publishing house. Now with Emily in pr he
does these really great workplace also, like ambitious women in workplaces.
I wouldn't say comedy or drama. I don't know what
he does. I call it a comedy, but like, he
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does these plotlines really well, where yes there's romance, and
yes there's like friendship tension, and there's all of these
really real character traits and things they're going through, but
we also get to see the professional lives and ambitions
of women, and like, not a lot of people are.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Doing that anymore.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I think he does a phenomenal job of it, so
it's it is annoying when people dismiss it as.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Like fluff or stupid.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, And one thing that Darren Starr does so well,
and he's talked about it himself, is creating that world
that you want to.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Be immersed in. He looks so fun, it's so colorful.
He said.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
When I find a new idea that I love and
a great cast and a world that I want to
live in, I just want to write about it and
keep going. This is the richest one yet in terms
of how everyone has evolved.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I don't know if I agree with that life, but
that was him talking about a belief parent.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
But I do get that vibe from him as the
creator that he just wants to keep making more seasons
because it's so damn fun to be a part of.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
I think alsobody sayings Emily and Paris is so aspirational
of all the shows that he's made, I feel like,
and that really comes through in every way, including the fashion,
and I think that plays a huge role in why
the show is so popular. The fashion is obviously, like
the show widely loved and also widely mocked. Everyone's like, oh,
Emily's not fashionable, like she wears like crazy stuff, or
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like how could she ever afford all these like luxury items,
But that's part of it. I think of Back when
Sex in the City was airing, there was still a
lot of criticism around how Carrie could afford the wardrobe
position that she had and how unrealistic that was her
working at this like mid tier newspaper writing like one
column a week, and at the time, Patricia Field's response
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was really like why would we want reality? Like we
want magic, Like that's what we want, And the same
thing applies to Emily in Paris, where it is aspirational.
We want Emily's outfits to be over the top and
chaotic and really mismacked, because that's really why they work.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
In an interview with Vulture last year, Darren Starr was
asked about the show being out of touch and people
perceiving it that way, and it's literally what you just said.
He was like, I was intending to make a show
that was aspirational. He's like, I wanted to create an
entertaining show about like when he was nineteen years old
and he went to Paris and he spent the summer
in Europe backpacking and fell in love with the city.
He wanted to like bring that magic to life. You
don't bring it to life by yeah, like wearing Zara
(24:31):
or wearing HNM like she's in Paris. Put the girl
in some designer like even if it's a Kangol bucket hat,
fine by me.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
But she needs to be out there. She needs to
be outre sapism of it all.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, And I always wonder watching it whether the cultural
impact of Emily in Paris in that you know, there
is that trope in Australia of either in your early
twenties or when you're ten thirdy you go to London,
you have that whole little yeah troop abroad or spent
a couple of years they're working. I have wondered if
this show has led to a pivot to Paris because
everyone's picturing themselves now in this designer outfits under the
Eiffel Tower.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
I would say in pop culture though there is a
Tina can probably speak to this, but about Paris as
like an entity in television shows or people going to
Paris or not going to Paris. Love and this it
just being this like romantic fantasy that we've all had, Yeah,
our mind's for years.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah, through drama, through comedy, even into like reality TV
Lauren Comrade, the girl who didn't go to Paris. Honestly, Yeah,
it's obviously where London is. Yeah, that exciting city, and
so it's New York. They're like the big cities, like
Paris is the one for romance and love and adventure.
And we keep saying the word whimsical, but I'm going
to keep saying it till I'm dead, because that is
this show. It is all about like that whimsical magic
that you can experience. And if you don't get to experience,
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then you get to go with Emily. So yeah, why
would you want to see Emily do it half fast?
Like we want her to live the most ridiculous life possible,
and we.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Want her to never leave, and we want her to
never leave.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Fifty seasons of the show, they kept doing it, honestly.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
And I've never watch her in Chicago, he kind of said. Darren,
he's like with every show he's done, because he's done
so many. If you don't know, he was the creator
of Beverly Hills nine o two on Oer and Melore's Place,
and like, obviously yes, Sex and the City Younger, but
he said, this is the most over the top, the
one with the craziest fashion, the wildest settings. But at
the heart of it, and I know we're questioning this
a little of it, he's like, these are the most
complex characters he's ever done, in his opinion, Like, these
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are the characters with the narrative stories that He's like,
that's what's keeping it grounded. Like, even if you have
all of this craziness of her going to Rome and
time not being real and masquerade balls and all of
these other things that are going on, and designers like
splashing Painton being in newspapers, it's still do I like
this guy, Oh he's got another girlfriend. Oh, like my
(26:33):
visa might run out and I have to go back
to Chicago like there's still human stories in the middle
of it, even if it is a little bit ridiculous
at time.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
And as the host of The Spill Laura Broddick would say,
the show really holds a mirror up to you and
your worst treats.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So if you're on the edge of your seat and
can't wait for season five to drop, you in the
same boat as us.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
But we're gonna talk about some.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Really really crazy theories on what people think could be
coming up. We don't know if they're true or not,
but we're gonna unpack them, as well as the newcast
editions that are going to be joining the Emily and
Paris crew in season five. Okay, so we've talked about
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where all the characters are, but let's talk a little
bit about what's been happening with the cast in real life.
Because one thing that really cut me up a little
bit and all my friends who watch Emily in Paris
was Ashley Park, who plays Mindy Chen's breakup because she
was together in real life with Paul Foreman, who plays Nicola,
and they have reportedly broken up nearly two.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Years of dating.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
So sad, but so convenient that he's gone from the show.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Could you imagine having had to do that, yung? I know,
awkward at apologies.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Back to the real romance. So they were a beautiful couple,
So I was very upset about that. I thought they
were like endgame.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
They really were, And you know, they met on the
set of season three in twenty twenty two, and then
they made their romance public in twenty twenty four. Ashley
had had this big health scare and hospitalization. So it
started out as chon solidis when she was on holiday
in the Maldies, and then it spiraled into septic shock
and he was really there for her, and I remember
seeing her put up this Instagram post being like grateful
(28:09):
most of all to app por form and being unconditionally
by my side. I love you, I love them, and
I think everyone you know, this show is so much
about escapism and what adds to escapism.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
By the layer of shipping your favorite couples.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
In real life.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Oh god, quite interesting. I hated them together on the show,
but I loved them as a real life couple.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I never liked his character, like didn't like their vibe,
but as real people, they just seemed really sweet.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah. Interestingly, the chemistry I would say between those two characters,
as you say, not something amazing in Emily and Paris
on the show, but apparently their chemistry in real life
was popping from the get go, because Lily Collins has
said their chemistry was off the damn charts.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
She clocked it really early. Ashley denied it.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
She was like, you know, Lily saw the chemistry and
was like, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
And I said nothing. I told you I wasn't dating actors.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
And then she says she did a loss of dignity tour,
admitting Lily everyone we are so in love. I think
everyone can relate to that when you vehemently denied something
and then you have to be like, I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
But yeah, it seems as though they've split.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Neither of them have made it any public statements, but
Ashley did go to Selena Gomez and Benny Blanco's wedding alone.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Not to say you can't go to a wedding solo
if you have a partner. Bet this is just adding
to the fuel that people have to speculation.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Oh I'm sad about that.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
I'm sad too.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
So while we're on the real life cast and what
they've been up to.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Chelsea.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I know you have some thoughts on Lucas Bravo has been,
you know, yapping a little about his.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Running his mouth, so saying Miamily in Paris WhatsApp group
hate Gabrielle, but no one hates Gabrielle more than Lucas Bravos.
So true. He's said a lot over the years, I
would say, so he's complained about not having much creative
freedom to do what he wants with the character. He
said he doesn't really get the character anymore. He is
(29:52):
a quote saying I tried for seasons to bring you answers,
but we don't have much liberty on set. We cannot
change a word or emotion. So and he's also said
that they spend five months filming this show, and does
he really want to spend time doing something that doesn't
really excite him anymore. So clearly he's kind of checked
out of this character a little bit. And I do
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think it's very interesting that we do see many male
actors kind of feel this way about projects that really
put them on the map, and particularly projects that really
geared towards women and girls. Twilight Jacob Elodie in The
Kissing Booth, and they really don't get as much backlash
as I think they should. But when women do it.
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I remember Catherine Heigel doing this years ago, obviously with
Knocked Up. She made some comments about it being a
little bit sexist, which I mean fair enough. Yeah, she
made some comments about Gray's Anatomy and the writing not
being great one particular season, and she got so much backlash.
I mean, she didn't really work for ten years really
out of the Spotlight four, just saying what she thought
about a show that she was on.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
And giving quite nuanced opinions too, whereas the boys are
often quite silly, like Jacob Elordi with the Kissing Booth
is like, oh I didn't see it. You didn't see
your own movie? Oh okay, and everyone's like he's so funny.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I love him.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
He was also like, oh it was ridiculous, Like I
didn't really want to be in and I'm like, well,
then why were you in it.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
They're saying that retrospectively.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I mean he's saying Lucas Bravo is saying all this
while he's still going into another season get check.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
But you know, like he's fighting for his character Lucas,
and like, I wonder if they'll be a bit stressed
about it, because I think Lucas is like the rest
of us. So many people thought Gabrielle was like as
much as he had a love triangle, they found him charming,
they found him lovable in season one, and then they
feel like his character has just, I don't know, fallen
off a cliff. They don't understand what's happened to him.
And it's like Lucas is like the number one leading
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into Darren's start office, and he's like, fixed my character
and it's obviously not working. So he's taking it to
the streets. He's taking it to like vox pops and interviews,
because he did an interview where he said, and this
is kind of off the back of what you've said.
He was filming the scene where like Genevieve kissed him
in season four, and in the interview he was like, oh,
I was playing it kind of like he's not wanting this.
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He's like, I love Emily, I actively want to be
with Emily. Why would I enjoy this? And the director
was like, no, stop, He's meant to be a bit
curious and a bit excited, and Luke was like.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Why why, and he was like, so whatever. I tried.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Like he's so clearly like over it that he's announcing
to the general public, like I tried, guys, I also
know what you.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Want, same Bain. I have the theory that he refused
to cut his hair because he does look, let's be honest,
like very disheveled in giving Christo. It's giving Christal and
I think he's just sick of it, and he's like,
I'm not gonna cut my hair. But season five, we
have seen the promotional pictures season one, Gabrielle is back,
short hair, He's looking clean, he's looking looking good.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
So looking good, I think we're coming back.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Do we think they've had a word with him or
has he had a word with them and they've worked
out how to like maybe make his character more lovable again,
So he's willing to play bare.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
The hair is number one.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
They've got a pr genius, much like Emily, Like.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Guys, I've solved it. Let's cut his hair well.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Regardless of what he said, Lucas Bravo is returning in
season five, but there is one key character who isn't
returning in season five.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Do you know who is it?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
It's Cami Rizatt who plays or So Cami, Cami playing
Kelly Comi, and she was.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Quite similar to Lucas last season when it aired, she
was also in the press giving interviews like don't know
what's going on, don't understand it. She gave this quote
to Vogue of I'm going to be very honest, I
feel really disconnected from her this season. I really don't
understand her anymore. I wish for her to be happy
like that.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
She just was so like like.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Lucas, going, what the hell have you done to my character?
Who is this woman?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
And obviously decided that being on the show was no
longer something that she wanted to do. In an interview
with Deadline, Darren Starr kind of said that she was
written off the show because her story kind of had
a natural finish. Obviously we know that, like by the
end of season four, it was revealed that she'd had
like a false pregnancy with Gabrielle. But on her own Instagram,
she said that like her exit was by design. She
was like she was ready to part ways with Netflix
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over the show. She wrote about all of her other
projects coming up, so similar to Lucas probably like these
sorts of shows take up your whole life, really, So
if you're going to be hon it and it's not fulfilling,
I guess you might decide it's time to leave.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I could make it work a few months in Paris.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It looks pretty fun, would it be me. I'd be
the time of my life, Like I'd be a background
extra on that show and I'd go, let's do a
decade you in the background.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
But she did say that the characters meant a lot
to her. She just feels like the stories come to
an end and it's time for her to do something else.
But I think she's not fully closing the door, Like
maybe she'd make a cameo in season seven.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Who knows, I'll miss coming. Actually, yeah, I know it's contentious,
but I really love her style icon. Yeah, a style
kon for sure.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
And she's so quintessentially French. Yeah, and the best way,
she's so cool.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
And I've seen so many fans kind of feel what
you feel of like that thing of like I really
loved her before they seem to ruin her character, like
Season one Gorgeous Girl was written for her was not rooting.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
For Emily Coopler. Yeah, absolutely not. Well, we know she's
not coming back.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
But let's talk about what we do know going into
the new season, because we know there's a new guy
on the block.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He is Jake.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
He's another American living in Paris, not to steal Emily's thunder,
played by Brian Greenberg of One Tree Hill and Bridewaar's Fame, Chelse.
What do we know about this character and what do
you think is gonna happen with him?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
We don't know a whole lot about him, I will
say Brian Greenberg, we agree.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
The most beautiful man to ever do it.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, but it's hard when you're up against the likes
of your Gabriell's. Yeah, Alfie's like it's Steve's.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
He's hot, he's gorgeous and bribbles. He plays this like
journalist working is it the New York Magazine? I can't
remember that. He's just like big journalists and he's very
sensitive and.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah, and the girl is well, yeah, remember him from
like One Tree Hill if they watched it, he's in
the MINDI project at one point.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, he's this is his new moment to shine.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
Yeah, he's one of those actors that I think deserves
to be a bit of a bigger deal. Yeah, yeah,
I'm much bigger deal. We don't know a lot about him.
My prediction is that he is going to be a
little bit of a new love intrist, not endgame necessarily. Yes,
I reckon he's going to be a bit of a
work rival. It's gonna be a bit of an enemy's
to lovers arc where like they clash. He's kind of
very assimilated into French culture and he's still kind of
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trying to do that, so they kind of butting heads
and then they kind of work together and figure it
out and maybe something.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Yeah, there's been some set photos of them, like where
like he's in a suite, she's in like work outfit.
So I feel like, yeah, we're gonna get some good
like professional clashes. I'm on your wavelength. I do think
if we look at this in the scope of I
guess his other shows that he's done six seven seasons
whatever they may be. Like if we're on season five
and he wants to keep it going and he doesn't
want to do this love triangle thing every five seconds,
but he has an endgame in mind. We're gonna have
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to have new love interests, new things that happen. So
I think it's a really interesting like maybe this is
her aiden from Sex and the City, maybe this is
her storyline for that, But like you know, you need
a little something fresh, and I'm excited for that.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
In terms of other I guess season five predictions. I
think a lot of fans do want a bit of
an alpha redemption nut because he didn't get a.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Lot of time in season four.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Beautiful boy, Yeah, we want to see him come back.
I don't know if that's going to be in a
romantic sense. I don't know if there'll be a spinoff
one day like Alfie and appens she.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Goes to a last gard alas.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
But I did read a crazy fan theory because I
love to get into the little reddit threads of Emily
in Paris and see what the crazy people are saying.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I mean the crazy people, but I IDENTI fight with.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
And I did read one about how Alfie turns into
a full on villain arc post breakup, and it was
written as brooding brit hacks Emily's insta for full revenge scandal,
then proposes marriage as final ultimatum in airport scene, fans
meme him as Brexit Bond villain.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
I'm not mad about that.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Where has this come from?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
It was late at night, me and my community, we'reout
thinking about what could be coming.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
So the theory is that like he's just going to
become a bit of a villain and like a Bond
villain style, and he's gonna like hack her professional career.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yes, I teached him sort of logging on going live
ye saying problematic things.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Then he's like take me back, kind of like last
time when like Kemi's brother was like on TikTok being
like they slandering her.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Okay, so she's going to be slandered. But the final
ultimatum confuses me. So he's gonna be like take me
back or I won't give you.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
The logo.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Always good an Emily Emparas situation.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I do want to get on the front foot and
say this is not what I think is.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Gonna It's just a funny something exciting might happen though,
because he spoke to People magazine like literally very recently
and he said I think this season we'll see a
different side of Alfie, could be an evil side. Who
could say for sure, but he said it was maybe
a more adventurous side. But he said, Alfie's out there,
you know, I just want to tell you guys, I'm
holding back. So he was holding back from people mag
He didn't want to spill the tea, but he said,
(38:31):
it's crazy. I think there's always a kind of scope
in the Emily in Paris universe for anything to happen.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, there is always scope for Emily to do anything.
We never know what's going to happen in this show,
and I think the new trailer that's dropped for season
five was actually a really good example of that, because
there's one thing that I don't think any of us
predicted happening. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks
like Alfie and Mindy I're gonna have a little something
this season. And I don't know how to feel about it.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 5 (38:57):
I don't know if this is controversial, but I love it.
I love Alfie, I love Mindy. I think it makes sense.
I also think Alfie's arc with Emily kind of came
to an end and it didn't seem like anything was
going to happen there. I also have never really been
rooting for Emily and Alfie together really since the beginning.
(39:19):
I think she doesn't treat him well. He deserves better,
and Mindy, being the queen that she is, I think
it's a perfect pairing.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
What do you think, Tina, I'm aligned, like I just
don't see Alfie and Emily ending up together. He's too
good for her and he deserves to find it's happily
ever after, and so does Mindy. I don't necessarily want
to see it become like them sneaking around behind her
back thing. I'm kind of hoping it's more like she
sees them having chemistry and is supportive and then they
hook up.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
But who could say. Maybe it's a drunken hook up.
Who knows, But either way, I'm pumped for it. I'm ready.
What about you?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
No, guys, I disagree.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
I'm very edry.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And the reason is not just because I'm team Alfie
for Emily, but I just think throughout Emily in Paris,
it's one of those shows where you know, the men
sort of come and go, and Mindy and Emily's friendship
is one of those stabilizing things. You know, they met
on the park bench. It's quite a meet cute, and
for me, it's just it's not a girl's girl move.
I mean, I know they're over, but I mean that's
her ex.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
What do I call Emily a girl's girl? Though?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Could call Mindy a girl's girl, And I feel like
this is going against those values. Also in the trailer,
they don't actually fully kiss, but it looks like they're
doing some sort of dance situation.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I'm like, is he joining Eurovisions? I don't really know
what's happening there.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I'm just not for it.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
And it's not just because I want him and Emily
to end up together, because I know that's not gonna happen.
But yeah, I just don't I'd be mad at Mindy
if I was Emily. I don't know if that's unfair.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
It's a little bit of frustrating because we just spent
several seasons watching a love triangle on Fold between Gabrielle,
Kemi and Emily and like then also Gabrielle Alphi and Emily,
and like, we've been doing the love triangle thing with
like friendship dynamics and betrayal and cheating, and I just
don't want to see that again. I don't need her
to go through yet another situation where like one of
her girlfriends and her are feuding over a boy. So
(40:57):
I'm also hoping that, like we just clear the air
before any of this starts. Like Alphae just doesn't seem
me interested in her. He sent Gabrielle off to Paris,
So I'm hoping that, like they have a friendship before
this all happens, and it's very clear, it's like we're
all good, no one's fighting, and then you can feel
fine about the fact that everyone's a girl's girl.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
I'm also like quite happy with It's kind of like
gossip girl, right, like who cares?
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Like who cares?
Speaker 5 (41:18):
Serena dates Dan, Serena dates Nay Blair dates Dan. I'm
really for that, just like mix it up. You know,
it's definitely.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Around.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I think the real teaching here is that clearly there's
two smaller pool of men in Europe.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Like I can't find anyone else these gorgeous women.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
All the hobbitsmen in Europe are taken, so this is
what's left.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
It is kind of interesting to see, yeah, Alfie getting
his own little arc here, and I suppose for the
Alfie fans, it is nice to see that He's definitely
going to be there and have what seems like a
bit of a presence in season five.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
Yeah, producers definitely caught onto the fact that we just
love ALFI. I think maybe he was supposed to be
on for like one or two seasons, but the fandom
really just rallied around Alfie. We love him. There are
so many stands online, so I don't think it makes
sense for him to have his own little story and yeah,
to have his own side plot and new new romance
outside of the Emily universe.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
And this is very net like they did the same
thing with Steve Harrington and Stranger things, Like he was
supposed to get killed off at the end of season one,
and the people were liking him so much in like
test screenings and like obviously the people working on set
that they were like, no, we'll expand his character. Fan
reactions were so strong that they were like, cool, he's
now the favorite forever and we treat him like a king.
So Alfie's getting the Steve Harrington treatment.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I could weirdly see him almost going on a similar
character journey that Hugh Grant sort of was on in
the second Bridget Jones, and he's.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I could weirdly also see him being scouted as like
a travel TV presenter. He's this like brit in Paris
and he starts filming these segments tourism.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Why not have thought him to this man's character development.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Probably none of it will see the light of day,
but they're on his personal LinkedIn page, like the career
opportunities for hot breaks in Paris exactly.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Well. One other thing I've been thinking about a lot
is how much time do we think she's actually going
to spend in Paris, because obviously we've discussed how she's
now in Rome.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
But I just do feel like this show is all
about Emily in Paris.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
And I mean Emmanuel Macron, the French President, was most
upset when he found out that Emily would be leaving Paris.
He said in his Variety interview last year, we will
fight hard and we will ask them to remain in Paris.
Emily in Paris in Rome doesn't make sense. But Rome's
Maya clapped back and said, take it easy, Emmanuel Macron.
Emily in Rome is perfect, so funny.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
I mean, I love the geopolitical discourse this show starts.
It's very important. It has depth, and it's so funny that.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Yeah, like you were saying earlier, like French people reacted
with some French people, not all reacted quite poorly to
Emily in Paris as like yeah, like this mischaracterization of
their people, and like they're allowed to think that. But
then the French president is coming out of being like,
come back, please give the tourism money.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
You're a really big part of us now, actually a
big part of our culture.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
So do you guys think we are going to maybe
see the first few episodes in Rome and then something
brings her back to Paris.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (44:03):
I reckon she'll be back and forth. I mean, what
is it a couple hours flight? Maybe we should map
that one out like a hop on the Google maps.
But I do think she'll be back and forth.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
Yeah, I think that too. I also maybe future seasons
we can have like based in Paris. I would watch
like Emily in Tokyo, Emily and Soul else I don't know,
just not Chicago.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
All right, good plan we've got for Emily there.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Thank you so much for joining us today to get
across everything that you need to know before Emily in
Paris season five. So all ten episodes are going to
be dropping at once on Thursday, the eighteenth of December,
and don't worry, we've got your holiday listening sorted because
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