October 27, 2025 • 29 mins
We’re at the midway point of Nobody Wants This Season 2 - and it’s time to unpack the cracks between our beloved characters that are really starting to show.
In this Watch Party, Courtney, Ksenija and Chelsea unpack episodes 4–6: from Noah’s emerging red flags and a Valentine’s Day disaster for the ages, to Leighton Meester’s much-hyped cameo alongside her real-life husband Adam Brody.
You’ll hear our takes on:
- Noah’s Not-So-Nice Guy Era: The subtle red flags we can’t ignore, and how this season reframes his “perfect boyfriend” image.
- The Cameos That Broke the Internet: Why Leighton Meester’s guest role sent millennial hearts racing, and what she and Adam Brody have said about working together again.
- Love Languages, Attachment Styles & The Mess of Modern Love: How every character’s emotional patterns are starting to collide — and what that says about where this season’s headed.
The team even shares a theory about Season 2’s characters that you definitely haven’t heard yet…
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Please from Mamma Mia. Welcome to The Spill's watch Party,
where we unpack the biggest shows and movies that everybody
is talking about. My name's Courtney Amenhauser. I'm an executive
producer here at Mamma Mia.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
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The Spill, and I'm.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Chelsea Hoy, the entertainment producer here at MoMA Mia.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
On today's watch party, we're going to be diving into
episodes four to six of Nobody Wants This. There will
be spoilers for those episodes, but we're not going beyond that,
we promise, And if you missed our chat about the
first three episodes and last season, make sure you go
and check it out in the watch party feed. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
So four to six, now, there's quite a few things
that happen in these three episodes. So we've got Valentine's Day,
which is episode four, Abby Love Smoothies, where we meet
Leyton Mista in episode five, and then Anything Happened Episode six,
which ends on one hell of a cliffhanger.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Shall we dive in?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Let's do it, Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So I wanted to start this episode by talking about
something that didn't really come up last season, which is
Noah's red flags. I feel like last season he was
portrayed as this picture perfect guy, such a dreambo Everyone
was like, Oh, I wish he was my boyfriend. But
now it feels like we're kind of losing that facade
of it.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
That's kind of the beauty of this show is that,
you know, with most romcoms, you have your perfect romantic lead.
Yes they have flaws, but at the end of the day,
they fall in love and all is happy. But now
what we're seeing is Noah and what is it that
has made his previous relationships not stick?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Telse?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Have there been any red flags that have started to
wave so far? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I never thought I would say this, but this season
Noah's giving me the ick.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
He's a bit too keen, Like. He reminds me of
like a Golden Retriever. You think, the Golden Retriever boyfriend,
And it's very like when I have to do exactly
what you like. I'm going to do everything about what
do you want?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
What do you want? What do you want? It's almost
like settle down.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
And he's a bit of a simp, which I believe
is the gen Z term for it.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Chelsea, I'm technically a millennial, I'm technically money.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
But yeah, he's kind of just being a little bit
too keen, like in episode three where he's organizing joanne
S mum's birthday, and it's like it's almost like he's
trying too hard. And what we see in episode four
Valentine's Day is Joanne start to go Okay, this is
getting to be a.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Lot sometimes when you fall in love with someone or
you even befriend them and they have all these things
that you like at the start, and then after a
while you're like, oh, I hate that now.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
I also think the progression we've seen from season one
to now of Noah's character is also reflective of maybe
Joanne's lens of him early on in the relationship. Season
one is like that honeymoon period where you've got butterflies
and everything about this person just seems so perfect, and
now is when she's starting to really settle in and
see some of the flaws that.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Noah has totally and I think something that has also
been kind of skimmed over. If we rewind back to
the start of last season, he had bought a ring
for someone else. No he hadn't proposed, but he had
it in his home.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
It's not that we forgot about it, but it was
like we gave him a pass for that particular slight.
Let's step back and think about this for a second.
You've been dating someone for a number of years. You
expect this relationship to go on. And we see an
episode four when he finally meets with Rebecca and she's like,
you talked about our kids' names.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You bought a non refundable trip to Portugal. We were
in a really serious relationship.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So yeah, I mean, I think we were both aware
that we had some major issues, but we never did
a proper post more inem. So if there's anything you
want to get off your chest or ask me, I want.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
To give you the space. Okay.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
So, yeah, was definitely not aware that we were having
major issues. You named her unborn children, referred to me
as your forever family. We booked a non refundable trip
to Portugal two weeks before you broke up with me.
I had zero idea that you were having any doubts.
No you were always so romantic and lovey dovey.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
With Listen, you were my girlfriend. I didn't know what
was gonna happen between us. I didn't know for sure,
So you know, I didn't want to hurt your feelings.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
You're in that kind of relationship with someone you come
across a ring. Maybe Rebecca shouldn't have put the ring
one that was not great. However, I'm gonna give her
a bous because she thought this is where the relationship
was going. Then he freaks out and runs away. We
definitely gloss story for that.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
I also think it's interesting that the conversation between Noah
and Rebecca and how little he knows that he was
never upfront about anything that was wrong in the relationship,
And I think it is this kind of classic trope
of a quote unquote nice guy who is trying so
hard to be the nice guy and avoid confrontation, avoid
conflict and isn't really able to express himself in a
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healthy way. But that insistence on trying to be the
nice guy is what makes you not a nice guy?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
And I think the key thing here is we hear
Rebecca say I was completely blindsided. The only reason that
Noah goes to speak to Rebecca is because Joanne says,
You've given me the same necklace that you've got Rebecca
for Valentine's Day?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Is this what you do for all of your girlfriends?
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Do you just have like a plan of how to
be a boyfriend and you roll it out?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
He is doing things because he has a feeling that
that is the expectation of a boyfriend, that is what
as perfect boyfriend should do, not because he actually wants to. Now,
I don't think that's the case in all of the
things in his relationship. For example, the side table, I
think that was unique and thoughtful, But in terms of
romantic gestures of what he should be doing, like going
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on those hikes and like like Joanne's like sweating and
hating her life, just like, please get me the hell
out of here, like leaps, not stop.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
The bath, the bath.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Which I'm sweating.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I'm cramped.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I'm trying to put it. I put a shower cap
on like this, it's too much.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Shaking a bath with someone is not the experience you
think it's going to be. It's actually not comfortable, like
trying to sit up, it's slippery, it's hot. I just
don't think it's necessarily the romantic thing that we.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Make out to be at all. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I mean I feel like Noah's biggest flaw is also
probably one of his best qualities, is that he's a
people pleaser. He wants people to like him, sometimes to
his detriment and to other people's detriment. You know, Obviously
being a kind person is important, but not when you
sacrifice how you actually feel. And you know, seeing Rebecca's
(07:01):
view that, I actually really love that Rebecca got that
moment with Noah because I do feel like she kind
of got brushed off a little bit and I wanted
to see a bit more of like that was really
hurtful for her and she was kind of left alone.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, well kind of just saw this new fun love
blossoming that we just kind of discarded her.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, but I really liked that joe Anne's kind of
questioning him a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
You know, we've got a little.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Bit more tension there and a bit more of her going.
I need you to want to be with me, not
treat me the way that you think you should be
treating a girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Do we think this way that he treats his love
interests is part of an extension of his job and
where he stands in the community and having to be
this like upstanding citizen who's not putting a foot wrong.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Definitely there would be a pressure on him to behave
a certain way as a rabbi. We see him, you know,
doing that interview, what kind of interview with Seth Rogen
at Temple L'hava, you know, this new temple which is
a bit more progressive, and you can see that he's
a bit uncomfortable and he's trying to be this really
(08:09):
perfect verse. I mean, we even see it when every
time he is in a group setting, he's always standing
up to talk. He's almost doing a sermon at every
single event. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I think also there is a fixation that Noah has
on being a good person. Yeah, what that means. I
think we spoke a little bit about this last time,
about him really not expressing in an honest way how
he's feeling, if it's a negative emotion. I feel like
Noah thinks that that is the way to be a
good person, but to hold that all in when in reality,
in a relationship that's not functional or healthy for the
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other person in any way.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Something that we're going to get to later in the
episode as well is when he says he needs a
night off. We're going to dive into that a whole
lot more. But I think that even plays into what
I was saying before about him seeing it as an
extension of his job, like playing this really good person
and not putting a foot wrong. It's like he just
needs a night off from being mister perfect. Yeah, definitely
(09:05):
coming up, we are going to talk about one of
the most anticipated special cameos obviously, two one that if
you're a millennial, is going to set your heart a flutter.
So there are a couple of notable actors popping up
in these three episodes. One of the most notable is
in fact, Adam Brodie's wife, but Chelsea. This isn't the
(09:25):
first time they've worked together, is it.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Honestly, seeing Blair Waldorf and Seth Cohen on the screen
together will never not be a trips every millennial's TV dream,
and it feels like they love it too. They've worked
together on several projects now, Adam featured in Late Mister's
show Good Cup, Bad Cop, which is on Stan and
they've also talked very openly about them getting a lot
(09:48):
of offers to work together. Adam has said that on
most of his projects that he's worked on, they're given
the offer like does your wife, your husband want to
be in this too? And it's gotten to the point
where Layton said it's more about resisting the offer than
really searching out the opportunity. So it seems like studios
and producers just want to give the people what they want.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I love that they have Layton in this and it
feels like to me that Layton had a really great
time playing this character. So she's playing Abbi Kaplan, who
is an influencer, she's a mummy blogger, and she just
looks like she's having such a great time with this character.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
There's some really beautiful, nuanced acting going on. She just
nails the brief perfectly, just like the little slight like
looks through the side or a slight smirk. I'm like,
wh that is so.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Good, especially for the little amount of time that Laydon
got on that set. That character is very nuanced. Yes,
on the surface, she's this like insufferable influencer. There's so
many like fun tropes they play with there. But as
you get further in the episode, you really see that
this is quite a nuanced, deep character who's also going
through a lot of things, and it kind of flips
it on your head what you think she's going to
be when you first start the episode.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, it would be very easy for them to leave
that hate that just like a very surface level. But
you know, in terms of being an influencer, Abbi Kaplan
hits all of the tropes.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Do she mander if he shoot some pret ceremony content?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Oh yeah, sure, sure of course.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
And for a live Hi, guys, this is Rabbi Rocklov
isn't he cute?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (11:19):
So today we're at Baby Afternoons naming ceremony and she's
so excited and a little nervous.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I'm kidding, she's a baby.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
So a lot of you have been asking what dress
we went with for the ceremony, and I have to say,
I'm pretty surprised by the pole posted. Seventy three percent
of you said the green.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Dress, but bo bye amazing. Do you mind taking my photo?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Tell me what tropes you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
So what I want to do is, if you go
back and rewatch this episode, I want you to go
to the scene where light and maystar Abby starts. I'm
going to tell you a couple of the lines. Now,
if you go back and watch this, when you hear
this line, you need to drink.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Take a drink.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
First things First is the home perfect, instagrammable, home, great lighting.
Next is her child's name, which is Afternoon.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Now do you know what I love?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I love when Gabe the husband says her naming style
is whimsical and cozy.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I wrote whimsical cozy down to.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Whimsical cozy and this is so good. It made me
think of like Narasmith.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yes. And also there's a lot of like TikTokers who
were at naming consultants and they go, what's your style whimsical, cozy.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Or wordy and yeah, yeah, ethereal, yes, yes, nature inspired.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
They're all very like fairy tale inspired to me, like
all of the adjectives that they use.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Next one, a lot of you are asking.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I love it when an influencer says that it was
me I was asking.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
A lot of the people have been a lot of
you guys have been asking Okay, that's one.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I get the lights better over here.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
That's a really good one. You got to get the content.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I respect that, the passive aggressive kindness.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So you don't know and what's not Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Like, oh thing, I don't know why we didn't, why
we stopped talking.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I think as well, it could have flocked, like she's
got all these tropes and it could have been very
two dimensional. But because she brings so much to it,
as we're saying, it's a really nuanced performance. It lands
so perfectly and it's really funny.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I think where we see that is when she actually
comes up, she catches Morgan and Joanne in the baby's room.
She drops her face and she goes, I know you
think this is stupid, but I'm providing for my family.
This is how I make money for my family, So
I don't care what you think. That I thought was
so beautifully played because she looked hurt. She looked really
(13:49):
hurt that they were making fun of her for just
trying to make a living, you know. Then she says,
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that, like I remembered now,
I did actually cut your American girl dolls hair. We
don't really have American girl dolls here in Australia. It's
not like a big thing.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Here is this like a baby born or so it's.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Kind of like it's not like a Barbie doll. So
Barbie Doll's different American girl doll. I would probably liken
it too, almost like a you know how we used
to have like the build a Bear places. So American
girl dolls, there's a whole range of them. They all
have like different themes. They're much larger, and they are
kind of I would say more baby beorny. But they're collectible, okay,
and people are avid collectors of these types of dolls.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So I think that is quite.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Nuanced and important and quite American specific because we don't
have them here.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yeah, I feel like when I was growing up, there
was a moment where American girl dolls were really in
And I also think people were really tied to them because,
like you were saying, they'd come in a lot of
different things, but they also come in a range of
different ethnicities, so a lot of parents would buy them
for their kids and you'd have one that looked like you,
and so people were really attached to these things. So
I think it's interesting that Johanna is so tied to
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this doll, and it is very reminiscent of if you
think about being in middle school and all, which.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Would be like year seven. That's year seven.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
It's like puberty.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
It sounds like seven eight and nine is middle school.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Yeah, that period of time, there's always someone that maybe
on your end, you've got this feud, you've got this beef,
but for them, it's not even something that's in their orbit.
And I feel like that's what we kind of see
play out with Joanna and Abbey.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That is definitely a thing because when something is traumatic
for you, it may not have that same impact in
somebody else's life.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
If you have a really impactful memory.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
For example, you were bullied or you know, someone tripped you,
that is going to be a core memory for you,
but the people around you who witness that may not
have even realized. And I've had something very similar happened
to me when I you know, I had been bullied,
and you know, I wrote this article about it, and
people from my school reached out and said, I had
no idea. I didn't even realize this was a thing,
(15:55):
but it was like the center of my universe for
the whole year of my life. But it's not that
you're being sort of insular and selfish. It's just that
that has such a large impact on you.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
It's so real. I remember things that you know, teachers
might have said years ago, or a boss has given
you feedback, and it might have been an off tough
comment from them, but it sticks.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
With you absolutely. Memory is funny like that. It can
burn into you in a way.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yeah, poor Joanne, poor American girls all. But look, the
nice thing is that they do kind of resolve it.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well, that's something I wanted to talk about because Joanne
does say to her, Look, the reason I'm behaving in
this weird way is because I'm jealous. What did you
think about that revelation and her saying that.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
I think the whole thing was a really healing moment
for Joanne, but also I think it's a huge step
in her journey as an individual, but also in her
relationship with Noah, because we have seen them be kind
of very poor opposites in the sense that Noah's very forgiving,
very conflict avoidant as well, whereas Joanne is very upfront.
But both her and more than kind of tend to
the side of revenge and really holding onto these little
(16:58):
moments and letting it eat away at them. So it's
really beautiful to see her have this resolution with Abby
and her kind of come to the realization that, oh,
I'm kind of over it. I don't revenge, I'm happy,
You're happy.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yes, there's something as well in women feeling like with
marriage and children and centering that in their lives. There's
something around wanting to have it but not wanting it
to be the center. I feel like there can be
a push pull for some people, and you see that
in Joanne and the way it shows up for Abbi
in very different ways, but they still want both of
(17:33):
those things and that's okay. But I feel as though
Joanne thinks it's a bit of a cliche and tries
to push it away.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
The other character that I would love to talk about
is Seth Brogan, who shows up very surprisingly. We kind
of knew he was going to be in it, but
it was still a lovely surprise. He plays the head
rabbi at Temple a Hover, and it's Rabbi Neil.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Cool Rabbi, very cool rabbi and a bit of a
turning point for Noah's character because Seth Brogan's character tells
Noah that he has a wife who isn't Jewish, and
that's definitely a moment for Noah where he can sort
of see a bit of hope in his future with.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Joannell is this reflection of Noah's you know, desires. You know,
he wants to be this chilled, relaxed rabbi. He wants
to work in the environment where he's accepted for who
he is and who is dating, and Rabbi Neil is
that person. He's not dating someone who is Jewish. I
do think though, that he is going to potentially be
(18:31):
too much because you can see Noah's discomfort. You can
see him kind of starting to feel uncomfortable with how
relaxed Rabbi Neil is. You know, Rabbi Neil's talking about
the words, the words, and he goes, well, I do
love the words, and it's like it's taking him out
of his comfort zone. It's even more progressive than he
was at Temple High.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Yeah, we are going to see some growing pains with
Noah because we've already seen when he tells Bana that
he's gotten this job at Temple Harbor, she doesn't react
very positively, and there's going to be this push and
pull between tradition and this more progressive new era that
Noah's entering into. And there's definitely going to be a
bit of contention when it comes to his family.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Absolutely, it's almost like they're creating this pressure cooker environment
to see how he comes out the other side. Up next,
we've got a theory about the characters this season that
I'm almost one hundred percent sure you haven't heard yet,
and we're going to break it down for you.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
All right.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I want to talk about love languages for a bit,
because Cassenya, You've got a theory, and honestly, I tend
to agree with you.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I'm so glad. I am really proud of this. This
was my light bulb moment, and I was kind of
watching the show and I was looking at these three
key relationships that we've got. You know, we've got Morgan
and dr Andy, We've got Sasha and Esther, and we've
got joe Anne and Noah, and that is it sort
of has moved away from just being a story about
(20:00):
Noah and Joeanne. Obviously, that's the core of it. I
was looking at it and going particularly is Valentine's Day episode,
and I was like, all of these characters give and
receipt love in different ways. Now, I believe most of
you would be familiar with the term love languages. Yes,
if you're not, this is an idea created by doctor
Gary Chapman. Now he believes that everybody gives and receives
(20:23):
love in different ways words of affirmation, acts of service,
receiving gifts, quality time, and physical touch. Now, if you
like to receive love in a particular way, that is
often how you will show love. So sometimes if you
have different love languages, that's where there can be a
bit of tension there. So the reason I think this
(20:44):
is because the tension that is created within these characters
is because of the way that they receive love. What
flicked in my brain was when I saw the scene
between doctor Andy and Morgan when she was getting the
flowers at the end of the Valentine's Day episode and
he gave her this gift of naming these roses after her,
(21:05):
and she was kind of like, this is too much.
Doctor Andy is all about gifts. He does the breakfast
in bed, he's got the violinist, he's got the key
to move in. Obviously that's also a bit of an
active service, but I would say it's more of a gift.
He's got the roses. He's showering her with gifts, and
(21:26):
she can't take it. It's too much for her. She
doesn't really receive love in that way.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
This reminds me of the moment where Joanne calls Morgan
and she's literally sitting by the pool being painted like
one of Doctor Andy's French girls. I'm like, this is
too much. You can tell she's not into it. Gifts
are just not necessarily her love language.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Let's look at one of the other characters to see
where they fall. Let's go with Esther.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Esther for me is about quality time.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Esther, you know, has spent so much of these past
six episodes talking about being fun. You know, she wants
Sasha to spend time with her. Yeah, she dresses up
as a cat on purim, a sexy cat. She cuts bangs,
she you know, does these dance class dancing, and you know,
she wants to spend quality time with her partner. She's
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craving the attention through time. And you know, we even
said that when they're going for a walk and they're
having their breakfast and it's like eating from a cereal
bowl walking down the street.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
She wants time, and that makes sense when we think
about Morgan taking some of his time and why that
would appear her even more Absolutely, I.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Do feel like also this season, she's screaming for that,
like that's what the banks are about. They're definitely trauma banks.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Do you have trauma banks to what's going on here?
Because you just got bangs as well, And now that
we're talking about this, I feel like we need to
this needs to be addressed.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Yeah, thank you for graciously bringing that up. I would
like to dispel the rumors. These are not trauma banks.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It's really cute.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
It's fine.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I'm fine, We're all fine.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
But I think somewhere else that we see the quality
time played out is the egg timer. She's literally timing
him come back to me, honey, I need you absolute.
Where does Noah sit in this theory?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Noah for me is acts of service.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
He spends his entire life and I probably would also
put him in a little bit with words of affirmation
because of the role he plays is a rabbi, you know,
and the Valentine's Day card we.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
See him a lot talking to in his sermons.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
His sermons are very, very poignant and profound, and you know,
we get these realizations from all the characters when he
has his sermon. However, definitely, acts of service is a
big one. He wants to do the trips and he
wants to get her at the bedside table. And this
is where I get that Golden Retriever boyfriend vibe from him,
is that he just wants to.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Please her service.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
You know, I think is interesting as well. We've talked
about this before, but his love language is acts of service,
but him thinking he needs to be like a gift
giver and do all these grand gestures. But really the
thing that he gives and also Joanne really appreciates, is
that little acts of service. I think there's a moment
where she says, how you are every day that is
romantic to me. It's not about all this other stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Absolutely, that's a really big difference between how you give
love and how you like to receive love. My final
one would probably be physical touch for Susha. Susha wants
to make a baby. He wants to make a baby,
he wants to be close. He's talking about threesomes, he's
talking about making a baby.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Talks a lot about sex, he talks a lot about
he's a funny.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Dude, and he's quite cuddly as well, very cuddly, very cuddly.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
And I feel like that's his height too.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, it's a big teddy bear.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Here's a big teddy bear.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
So that is my theory on love over yours. But
this also ties in with attachment styles as well, because Courtney,
you definitely you brought that in as well.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
It wasn't all me. I will give you some credits.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Oh my god. I was observing Morgan's behavior in the series,
especially in these three episodes, and her relationship that's forming
with doctor Andy. She feels very disorganized, very detached.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Can we talk about attachment styles quickly? What are the
attachment styles?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Well, you've read the book, So for the attachment styles,
there's securely attached, anxiously attached, avoidant, and disorganized. And we
can see different versions of this playing out in the characters.
Joanne's a good example to me. She appears anxiously attached.
She's alloy No, I think Joanne. I think Joanne is
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anxiously attached because she's always waiting for the other shoe
to drop. When he says he needs a night off,
she freaks out about it, and I know the wording
was probably a bit clumsy from Noah's character. However, I
think wanting to have a night to yourself to get
a few ducks in the row is a reasonable request.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I'm actually starting to get a little bit nervous about
my interview with the Temple tomorrow. I think I just
want to go home and prepare.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Okay, we can order in. I'll watch Felicity while you work. Yeah,
not too hungry.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Actually want to just maybe read up on Temple, Lehaved
and bed and crash. Really want to get a night's
sleep before my interview, So maybe we could just take
a night off, a night off, that's okay?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
And I off?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, sure, okay, sure, okay, thank you?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, I love you, Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Love you too.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
We are basically psychiatrists here. If you guys need any
relationship advice, we have all of the answers. No, obviously,
just kidding, but yeah, Joanne, I suppose. Yeah, she definitely
does have that kind of anxious, anxious attachment. She doesn't
know where this relationship.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Is going, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Her having to convert is such a huge cloud over
their relationship. It's really really challenging. So we're definitely doing
some pop psychology here and kind of analyzing them. But
I feel these are kind of fitting for me.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, they feel accurate, They feel accurate, and you can
see how that's building the dramatic tension and putting the
characters under pressure to make them, you know, go through
their character arc and get out the other side.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I do really want to bring up episode six, which
is the Porim episode. Now, according to Noah, Noah says,
Purim is a celebration of Queen Esther, who saved the
Jews from this evil guy Hayman's plot to destroy them,
and it is colloquially referred to in the show as
Jewish Halloween. So the whole idea of this particular holidays
to go as your shadow self, and that has so
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much meaning to me, going as your shadow self.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Bena goes to Squeen Elizabeth.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
There's nothing more obvious than that.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I don't think that's in the shadow kid.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
No, but look, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Beina is queenless of.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
A second, and Joann goes as Cinderella, a princess one
someone who is held down by Shackles, it is so good,
and you know, sayd by Prince Charming.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It's just trying to like.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Claw out of a relationship, potentially claw out and find herself.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Potentially she's got her bangs. She wants to kind of
explore herself.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
To be the fun one.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
And then Morgan is Pretty Woman.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Julia robertson Pretty Woman, which is just so fantastic. But
you know that episode, the way that they've kind of
tied in this Jewish tradition with literally bringing out these
characters in this way, I just thought it was obviously.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Quite literal, but it was really clever, I felt.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
And then to end episode six, we obviously end on
one hell of a cliffhanger.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Morgan and dr Andy get engaged.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Another gift from dr Andy, another gift, and everybody is
a little stunned, and obviously we'll be diving into everything
that goes down post engagement in the next episode. I
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Speaker 1 (00:43):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
On today's watch party, we're going to be diving into
episodes four to six of Nobody Wants This. There will
be spoilers for those episodes, but we're not going beyond that,
we promise, And if you missed our chat about the
first three episodes and last season, make sure you go
and check it out in the watch party feed. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
So four to six, now, there's quite a few things
that happen in these three episodes. So we've got Valentine's Day,
which is episode four, Abby Love Smoothies, where we meet
Leyton Mista in episode five, and then Anything Happened Episode six,
which ends on one hell of a cliffhanger.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Shall we dive in?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Let's do it, Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So I wanted to start this episode by talking about
something that didn't really come up last season, which is
Noah's red flags. I feel like last season he was
portrayed as this picture perfect guy, such a dreambo Everyone
was like, Oh, I wish he was my boyfriend. But
now it feels like we're kind of losing that facade
of it.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
That's kind of the beauty of this show is that,
you know, with most romcoms, you have your perfect romantic lead.
Yes they have flaws, but at the end of the day,
they fall in love and all is happy. But now
what we're seeing is Noah and what is it that
has made his previous relationships not stick?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Telse?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Have there been any red flags that have started to
wave so far? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I never thought I would say this, but this season
Noah's giving me the ick.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
He's a bit too keen, Like. He reminds me of
like a Golden Retriever. You think, the Golden Retriever boyfriend,
And it's very like when I have to do exactly
what you like. I'm going to do everything about what
do you want?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
What do you want? What do you want? It's almost
like settle down.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
And he's a bit of a simp, which I believe
is the gen Z term for it.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Chelsea, I'm technically a millennial, I'm technically money.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
But yeah, he's kind of just being a little bit
too keen, like in episode three where he's organizing joanne
S mum's birthday, and it's like it's almost like he's
trying too hard. And what we see in episode four
Valentine's Day is Joanne start to go Okay, this is
getting to be a.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Lot sometimes when you fall in love with someone or
you even befriend them and they have all these things
that you like at the start, and then after a
while you're like, oh, I hate that now.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
I also think the progression we've seen from season one
to now of Noah's character is also reflective of maybe
Joanne's lens of him early on in the relationship. Season
one is like that honeymoon period where you've got butterflies
and everything about this person just seems so perfect, and
now is when she's starting to really settle in and
see some of the flaws that.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Noah has totally and I think something that has also
been kind of skimmed over. If we rewind back to
the start of last season, he had bought a ring
for someone else. No he hadn't proposed, but he had
it in his home.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I totally agree.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
It's not that we forgot about it, but it was
like we gave him a pass for that particular slight.
Let's step back and think about this for a second.
You've been dating someone for a number of years. You
expect this relationship to go on. And we see an
episode four when he finally meets with Rebecca and she's like,
you talked about our kids' names.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You bought a non refundable trip to Portugal. We were
in a really serious relationship.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So yeah, I mean, I think we were both aware
that we had some major issues, but we never did
a proper post more inem. So if there's anything you
want to get off your chest or ask me, I want.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
To give you the space. Okay.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
So, yeah, was definitely not aware that we were having
major issues. You named her unborn children, referred to me
as your forever family. We booked a non refundable trip
to Portugal two weeks before you broke up with me.
I had zero idea that you were having any doubts.
No you were always so romantic and lovey dovey.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
With Listen, you were my girlfriend. I didn't know what
was gonna happen between us. I didn't know for sure,
So you know, I didn't want to hurt your feelings.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
You're in that kind of relationship with someone you come
across a ring. Maybe Rebecca shouldn't have put the ring
one that was not great. However, I'm gonna give her
a bous because she thought this is where the relationship
was going. Then he freaks out and runs away. We
definitely gloss story for that.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
I also think it's interesting that the conversation between Noah
and Rebecca and how little he knows that he was
never upfront about anything that was wrong in the relationship,
And I think it is this kind of classic trope
of a quote unquote nice guy who is trying so
hard to be the nice guy and avoid confrontation, avoid
conflict and isn't really able to express himself in a
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healthy way. But that insistence on trying to be the
nice guy is what makes you not a nice guy?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
And I think the key thing here is we hear
Rebecca say I was completely blindsided. The only reason that
Noah goes to speak to Rebecca is because Joanne says,
You've given me the same necklace that you've got Rebecca
for Valentine's Day?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Is this what you do for all of your girlfriends?
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Do you just have like a plan of how to
be a boyfriend and you roll it out?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
He is doing things because he has a feeling that
that is the expectation of a boyfriend, that is what
as perfect boyfriend should do, not because he actually wants to. Now,
I don't think that's the case in all of the
things in his relationship. For example, the side table, I
think that was unique and thoughtful, But in terms of
romantic gestures of what he should be doing, like going
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on those hikes and like like Joanne's like sweating and
hating her life, just like, please get me the hell
out of here, like leaps, not stop.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
The bath, the bath.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Which I'm sweating.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I'm cramped.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I'm trying to put it. I put a shower cap
on like this, it's too much.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Shaking a bath with someone is not the experience you
think it's going to be. It's actually not comfortable, like
trying to sit up, it's slippery, it's hot. I just
don't think it's necessarily the romantic thing that we.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Make out to be at all. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I mean I feel like Noah's biggest flaw is also
probably one of his best qualities, is that he's a
people pleaser. He wants people to like him, sometimes to
his detriment and to other people's detriment. You know, Obviously
being a kind person is important, but not when you
sacrifice how you actually feel. And you know, seeing Rebecca's
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view that, I actually really love that Rebecca got that
moment with Noah because I do feel like she kind
of got brushed off a little bit and I wanted
to see a bit more of like that was really
hurtful for her and she was kind of left alone.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, well kind of just saw this new fun love
blossoming that we just kind of discarded her.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, but I really liked that joe Anne's kind of
questioning him a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
You know, we've got a little.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Bit more tension there and a bit more of her going.
I need you to want to be with me, not
treat me the way that you think you should be
treating a girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Do we think this way that he treats his love
interests is part of an extension of his job and
where he stands in the community and having to be
this like upstanding citizen who's not putting a foot wrong.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Definitely there would be a pressure on him to behave
a certain way as a rabbi. We see him, you know,
doing that interview, what kind of interview with Seth Rogen
at Temple L'hava, you know, this new temple which is
a bit more progressive, and you can see that he's
a bit uncomfortable and he's trying to be this really
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perfect verse. I mean, we even see it when every
time he is in a group setting, he's always standing
up to talk. He's almost doing a sermon at every
single event. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I think also there is a fixation that Noah has
on being a good person. Yeah, what that means. I
think we spoke a little bit about this last time,
about him really not expressing in an honest way how
he's feeling, if it's a negative emotion. I feel like
Noah thinks that that is the way to be a
good person, but to hold that all in when in reality,
in a relationship that's not functional or healthy for the
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other person in any way.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Something that we're going to get to later in the
episode as well is when he says he needs a
night off. We're going to dive into that a whole
lot more. But I think that even plays into what
I was saying before about him seeing it as an
extension of his job, like playing this really good person
and not putting a foot wrong. It's like he just
needs a night off from being mister perfect. Yeah, definitely
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coming up, we are going to talk about one of
the most anticipated special cameos obviously, two one that if
you're a millennial, is going to set your heart a flutter.
So there are a couple of notable actors popping up
in these three episodes. One of the most notable is
in fact, Adam Brodie's wife, but Chelsea. This isn't the
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first time they've worked together, is it.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Honestly, seeing Blair Waldorf and Seth Cohen on the screen
together will never not be a trips every millennial's TV dream,
and it feels like they love it too. They've worked
together on several projects now, Adam featured in Late Mister's
show Good Cup, Bad Cop, which is on Stan and
they've also talked very openly about them getting a lot
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of offers to work together. Adam has said that on
most of his projects that he's worked on, they're given
the offer like does your wife, your husband want to
be in this too? And it's gotten to the point
where Layton said it's more about resisting the offer than
really searching out the opportunity. So it seems like studios
and producers just want to give the people what they want.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
I love that they have Layton in this and it
feels like to me that Layton had a really great
time playing this character. So she's playing Abbi Kaplan, who
is an influencer, she's a mummy blogger, and she just
looks like she's having such a great time with this character.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
There's some really beautiful, nuanced acting going on. She just
nails the brief perfectly, just like the little slight like
looks through the side or a slight smirk. I'm like,
wh that is so.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Good, especially for the little amount of time that Laydon
got on that set. That character is very nuanced. Yes,
on the surface, she's this like insufferable influencer. There's so
many like fun tropes they play with there. But as
you get further in the episode, you really see that
this is quite a nuanced, deep character who's also going
through a lot of things, and it kind of flips
it on your head what you think she's going to
be when you first start the episode.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, it would be very easy for them to leave
that hate that just like a very surface level. But
you know, in terms of being an influencer, Abbi Kaplan
hits all of the tropes.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Do she mander if he shoot some pret ceremony content?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Oh yeah, sure, sure of course.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
And for a live Hi, guys, this is Rabbi Rocklov
isn't he cute?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (11:19):
So today we're at Baby Afternoons naming ceremony and she's
so excited and a little nervous.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I'm kidding, she's a baby.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
So a lot of you have been asking what dress
we went with for the ceremony, and I have to say,
I'm pretty surprised by the pole posted. Seventy three percent
of you said the green.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Dress, but bo bye amazing. Do you mind taking my photo?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Tell me what tropes you're talking about?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
So what I want to do is, if you go
back and rewatch this episode, I want you to go
to the scene where light and maystar Abby starts. I'm
going to tell you a couple of the lines. Now,
if you go back and watch this, when you hear
this line, you need to drink.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Take a drink.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
First things First is the home perfect, instagrammable, home, great lighting.
Next is her child's name, which is Afternoon.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Now do you know what I love?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I love when Gabe the husband says her naming style
is whimsical and cozy.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I wrote whimsical cozy down to.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Whimsical cozy and this is so good. It made me
think of like Narasmith.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yes. And also there's a lot of like TikTokers who
were at naming consultants and they go, what's your style whimsical, cozy.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Or wordy and yeah, yeah, ethereal, yes, yes, nature inspired.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
They're all very like fairy tale inspired to me, like
all of the adjectives that they use.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Next one, a lot of you are asking.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I love it when an influencer says that it was
me I was asking.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
A lot of the people have been a lot of
you guys have been asking Okay, that's one.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I get the lights better over here.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
That's a really good one. You got to get the content.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I respect that, the passive aggressive kindness.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So you don't know and what's not Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Like, oh thing, I don't know why we didn't, why
we stopped talking.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I think as well, it could have flocked, like she's
got all these tropes and it could have been very
two dimensional. But because she brings so much to it,
as we're saying, it's a really nuanced performance. It lands
so perfectly and it's really funny.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I think where we see that is when she actually
comes up, she catches Morgan and Joanne in the baby's room.
She drops her face and she goes, I know you
think this is stupid, but I'm providing for my family.
This is how I make money for my family, So
I don't care what you think. That I thought was
so beautifully played because she looked hurt. She looked really
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hurt that they were making fun of her for just
trying to make a living, you know. Then she says,
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that, like I remembered now,
I did actually cut your American girl dolls hair. We
don't really have American girl dolls here in Australia. It's
not like a big thing.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Here is this like a baby born or so it's.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Kind of like it's not like a Barbie doll. So
Barbie Doll's different American girl doll. I would probably liken
it too, almost like a you know how we used
to have like the build a Bear places. So American
girl dolls, there's a whole range of them. They all
have like different themes. They're much larger, and they are
kind of I would say more baby beorny. But they're collectible, okay,
and people are avid collectors of these types of dolls.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
So I think that is quite.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Nuanced and important and quite American specific because we don't
have them here.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yeah, I feel like when I was growing up, there
was a moment where American girl dolls were really in
And I also think people were really tied to them because,
like you were saying, they'd come in a lot of
different things, but they also come in a range of
different ethnicities, so a lot of parents would buy them
for their kids and you'd have one that looked like you,
and so people were really attached to these things. So
I think it's interesting that Johanna is so tied to
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this doll, and it is very reminiscent of if you
think about being in middle school and all, which.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Would be like year seven. That's year seven.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
It's like puberty.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
It sounds like seven eight and nine is middle school.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Yeah, that period of time, there's always someone that maybe
on your end, you've got this feud, you've got this beef,
but for them, it's not even something that's in their orbit.
And I feel like that's what we kind of see
play out with Joanna and Abbey.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That is definitely a thing because when something is traumatic
for you, it may not have that same impact in
somebody else's life.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
If you have a really impactful memory.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
For example, you were bullied or you know, someone tripped you,
that is going to be a core memory for you,
but the people around you who witness that may not
have even realized. And I've had something very similar happened
to me when I you know, I had been bullied,
and you know, I wrote this article about it, and
people from my school reached out and said, I had
no idea. I didn't even realize this was a thing,
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but it was like the center of my universe for
the whole year of my life. But it's not that
you're being sort of insular and selfish. It's just that
that has such a large impact on you.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
It's so real. I remember things that you know, teachers
might have said years ago, or a boss has given
you feedback, and it might have been an off tough
comment from them, but it sticks.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
With you absolutely. Memory is funny like that. It can
burn into you in a way.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yeah, poor Joanne, poor American girls all. But look, the
nice thing is that they do kind of resolve it.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well, that's something I wanted to talk about because Joanne
does say to her, Look, the reason I'm behaving in
this weird way is because I'm jealous. What did you
think about that revelation and her saying that.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
I think the whole thing was a really healing moment
for Joanne, but also I think it's a huge step
in her journey as an individual, but also in her
relationship with Noah, because we have seen them be kind
of very poor opposites in the sense that Noah's very forgiving,
very conflict avoidant as well, whereas Joanne is very upfront.
But both her and more than kind of tend to
the side of revenge and really holding onto these little
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moments and letting it eat away at them. So it's
really beautiful to see her have this resolution with Abby
and her kind of come to the realization that, oh,
I'm kind of over it. I don't revenge, I'm happy,
You're happy.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yes, there's something as well in women feeling like with
marriage and children and centering that in their lives. There's
something around wanting to have it but not wanting it
to be the center. I feel like there can be
a push pull for some people, and you see that
in Joanne and the way it shows up for Abbi
in very different ways, but they still want both of
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those things and that's okay. But I feel as though
Joanne thinks it's a bit of a cliche and tries
to push it away.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
The other character that I would love to talk about
is Seth Brogan, who shows up very surprisingly. We kind
of knew he was going to be in it, but
it was still a lovely surprise. He plays the head
rabbi at Temple a Hover, and it's Rabbi Neil.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Cool Rabbi, very cool rabbi and a bit of a
turning point for Noah's character because Seth Brogan's character tells
Noah that he has a wife who isn't Jewish, and
that's definitely a moment for Noah where he can sort
of see a bit of hope in his future with.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Joannell is this reflection of Noah's you know, desires. You know,
he wants to be this chilled, relaxed rabbi. He wants
to work in the environment where he's accepted for who
he is and who is dating, and Rabbi Neil is
that person. He's not dating someone who is Jewish. I
do think though, that he is going to potentially be
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too much because you can see Noah's discomfort. You can
see him kind of starting to feel uncomfortable with how
relaxed Rabbi Neil is. You know, Rabbi Neil's talking about
the words, the words, and he goes, well, I do
love the words, and it's like it's taking him out
of his comfort zone. It's even more progressive than he
was at Temple High.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Yeah, we are going to see some growing pains with
Noah because we've already seen when he tells Bana that
he's gotten this job at Temple Harbor, she doesn't react
very positively, and there's going to be this push and
pull between tradition and this more progressive new era that
Noah's entering into. And there's definitely going to be a
bit of contention when it comes to his family.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Absolutely, it's almost like they're creating this pressure cooker environment
to see how he comes out the other side. Up next,
we've got a theory about the characters this season that
I'm almost one hundred percent sure you haven't heard yet,
and we're going to break it down for you.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
All right.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I want to talk about love languages for a bit,
because Cassenya, You've got a theory, and honestly, I tend
to agree with you.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I'm so glad. I am really proud of this. This
was my light bulb moment, and I was kind of
watching the show and I was looking at these three
key relationships that we've got. You know, we've got Morgan
and dr Andy, We've got Sasha and Esther, and we've
got joe Anne and Noah, and that is it sort
of has moved away from just being a story about
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Noah and Joeanne. Obviously, that's the core of it. I
was looking at it and going particularly is Valentine's Day episode,
and I was like, all of these characters give and
receipt love in different ways. Now, I believe most of
you would be familiar with the term love languages. Yes,
if you're not, this is an idea created by doctor
Gary Chapman. Now he believes that everybody gives and receives
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love in different ways words of affirmation, acts of service,
receiving gifts, quality time, and physical touch. Now, if you
like to receive love in a particular way, that is
often how you will show love. So sometimes if you
have different love languages, that's where there can be a
bit of tension there. So the reason I think this
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is because the tension that is created within these characters
is because of the way that they receive love. What
flicked in my brain was when I saw the scene
between doctor Andy and Morgan when she was getting the
flowers at the end of the Valentine's Day episode and
he gave her this gift of naming these roses after her,
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and she was kind of like, this is too much.
Doctor Andy is all about gifts. He does the breakfast
in bed, he's got the violinist, he's got the key
to move in. Obviously that's also a bit of an
active service, but I would say it's more of a gift.
He's got the roses. He's showering her with gifts, and
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she can't take it. It's too much for her. She
doesn't really receive love in that way.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
This reminds me of the moment where Joanne calls Morgan
and she's literally sitting by the pool being painted like
one of Doctor Andy's French girls. I'm like, this is
too much. You can tell she's not into it. Gifts
are just not necessarily her love language.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Let's look at one of the other characters to see
where they fall. Let's go with Esther.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Esther for me is about quality time.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Esther, you know, has spent so much of these past
six episodes talking about being fun. You know, she wants
Sasha to spend time with her. Yeah, she dresses up
as a cat on purim, a sexy cat. She cuts bangs,
she you know, does these dance class dancing, and you know,
she wants to spend quality time with her partner. She's
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craving the attention through time. And you know, we even
said that when they're going for a walk and they're
having their breakfast and it's like eating from a cereal
bowl walking down the street.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
She wants time, and that makes sense when we think
about Morgan taking some of his time and why that
would appear her even more Absolutely, I.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Do feel like also this season, she's screaming for that,
like that's what the banks are about. They're definitely trauma banks.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Do you have trauma banks to what's going on here?
Because you just got bangs as well, And now that
we're talking about this, I feel like we need to
this needs to be addressed.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Yeah, thank you for graciously bringing that up. I would
like to dispel the rumors. These are not trauma banks.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It's really cute.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
It's fine.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I'm fine, We're all fine.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
But I think somewhere else that we see the quality
time played out is the egg timer. She's literally timing
him come back to me, honey, I need you absolute.
Where does Noah sit in this theory?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Noah for me is acts of service.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
He spends his entire life and I probably would also
put him in a little bit with words of affirmation
because of the role he plays is a rabbi, you know,
and the Valentine's Day card we.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
See him a lot talking to in his sermons.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
His sermons are very, very poignant and profound, and you know,
we get these realizations from all the characters when he
has his sermon. However, definitely, acts of service is a
big one. He wants to do the trips and he
wants to get her at the bedside table. And this
is where I get that Golden Retriever boyfriend vibe from him,
is that he just wants to.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Please her service.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
You know, I think is interesting as well. We've talked
about this before, but his love language is acts of service,
but him thinking he needs to be like a gift
giver and do all these grand gestures. But really the
thing that he gives and also Joanne really appreciates, is
that little acts of service. I think there's a moment
where she says, how you are every day that is
romantic to me. It's not about all this other stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Absolutely, that's a really big difference between how you give
love and how you like to receive love. My final
one would probably be physical touch for Susha. Susha wants
to make a baby. He wants to make a baby,
he wants to be close. He's talking about threesomes, he's
talking about making a baby.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Talks a lot about sex, he talks a lot about
he's a funny.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Dude, and he's quite cuddly as well, very cuddly, very cuddly.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
And I feel like that's his height too.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, it's a big teddy bear.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Here's a big teddy bear.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
So that is my theory on love over yours. But
this also ties in with attachment styles as well, because Courtney,
you definitely you brought that in as well.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
It wasn't all me. I will give you some credits.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Oh my god. I was observing Morgan's behavior in the series,
especially in these three episodes, and her relationship that's forming
with doctor Andy. She feels very disorganized, very detached.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Can we talk about attachment styles quickly? What are the
attachment styles?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Well, you've read the book, So for the attachment styles,
there's securely attached, anxiously attached, avoidant, and disorganized. And we
can see different versions of this playing out in the characters.
Joanne's a good example to me. She appears anxiously attached.
She's alloy No, I think Joanne. I think Joanne is
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anxiously attached because she's always waiting for the other shoe
to drop. When he says he needs a night off,
she freaks out about it, and I know the wording
was probably a bit clumsy from Noah's character. However, I
think wanting to have a night to yourself to get
a few ducks in the row is a reasonable request.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I'm actually starting to get a little bit nervous about
my interview with the Temple tomorrow. I think I just
want to go home and prepare.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Okay, we can order in. I'll watch Felicity while you work. Yeah,
not too hungry.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Actually want to just maybe read up on Temple, Lehaved
and bed and crash. Really want to get a night's
sleep before my interview, So maybe we could just take
a night off, a night off, that's okay?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
And I off?
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, sure, okay, sure, okay, thank you?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, I love you, Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Love you too.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
We are basically psychiatrists here. If you guys need any
relationship advice, we have all of the answers. No, obviously,
just kidding, but yeah, Joanne, I suppose. Yeah, she definitely
does have that kind of anxious, anxious attachment. She doesn't
know where this relationship.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Is going, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Her having to convert is such a huge cloud over
their relationship. It's really really challenging. So we're definitely doing
some pop psychology here and kind of analyzing them. But
I feel these are kind of fitting for me.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, they feel accurate, They feel accurate, and you can
see how that's building the dramatic tension and putting the
characters under pressure to make them, you know, go through
their character arc and get out the other side.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I do really want to bring up episode six, which
is the Porim episode. Now, according to Noah, Noah says,
Purim is a celebration of Queen Esther, who saved the
Jews from this evil guy Hayman's plot to destroy them,
and it is colloquially referred to in the show as
Jewish Halloween. So the whole idea of this particular holidays
to go as your shadow self, and that has so
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much meaning to me, going as your shadow self.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Bena goes to Squeen Elizabeth.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
There's nothing more obvious than that.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I don't think that's in the shadow kid.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
No, but look, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Beina is queenless of.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
A second, and Joann goes as Cinderella, a princess one
someone who is held down by Shackles, it is so good,
and you know, sayd by Prince Charming.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It's just trying to like.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Claw out of a relationship, potentially claw out and find herself.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Potentially she's got her bangs. She wants to kind of
explore herself.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
To be the fun one.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
And then Morgan is Pretty Woman.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Julia robertson Pretty Woman, which is just so fantastic. But
you know that episode, the way that they've kind of
tied in this Jewish tradition with literally bringing out these
characters in this way, I just thought it was obviously.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Quite literal, but it was really clever, I felt.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
And then to end episode six, we obviously end on
one hell of a cliffhanger.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Morgan and dr Andy get engaged.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Another gift from dr Andy, another gift, and everybody is
a little stunned, and obviously we'll be diving into everything
that goes down post engagement in the next episode. I
can't wait. Thanks so much for tuning into watch Party.
But don't worry, there's more to come. Our next episode
is coming up and we'll be diving headfirst into the
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