October 31, 2025 • 35 mins
From sibling rivalries to problematic romances, we unpack all the friction and tension amping up as we reach the pointy end of Nobody Wants This Season 2.
Courtney, Ksenija and Tina unpack sibling rivalry, questionable romances, and the major crossroads all the characters are facing in episodes 7-9. Think of this as your ultimate mid-season binge companion — we break down what’s happening, what the cast and crew are saying, and how the season is building to the finale.
You’ll learn more about:
- Sibling Competition: Why Morgan and Joanne’s sibling dynamic drives the plot, the research behind life-stage rivalries, and how intimacy and insecurity fuel their clashes.
- Morgan’s Relationship With Dr Andy: The ethical and emotional complexities of dating a former therapist, the patterns in her relationships, and how this storyline shifts her character arc.
- Values Around Marriage & Romantic Crossroads: How relationships are tested, what characters are learning about commitment and personal growth, and the miscommunications that set up the season’s finale.
Plus, the hosts dive into the chaos of the beer garden game that ruined everything…. and discuss the character journeys that got us to this point… all without spoiling the finale.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Skills watch Party, where
we unpack the biggest shows and movies that everyone is
talking about. My name is Courtney Abenhauser. I'm an executive
producer here at Mama Mia, and.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I'm Kassenya Lukich, host of Mama MIA's entertainment podcast The.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Spill, and i am Tina Berg, Muma Mes pop culture
and social editor. On today's episode of Watch Party, we're
diving into episode seven to nine of season two of
Nobody Wants This. We're getting near the pointy end of
the season and things are getting really intense. So we've
already done a debrief on the first six episodes, and
if you haven't listened to those, jump into the watch
(01:01):
Party feed and catch up. But just a warning, there
will be some spoilers up to episode nine today, but
we won't be talking about the finale, so if you
haven't watched that yet, you're all safe. All right, let's jump.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
In, Let's do it, yay.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Okay, we need to talk about something that's been bubbling
away underneath the surface of this whole season, which is
the relationship between Morgan and Joanne. The sibling rivalry, the
sister friendship, closeness, colleague, emmeshed of it all. If you
could describe their relationship in three words, what would you say, Tina?
(01:38):
Oh my god, complex, fun, dramatic, nice? What about you, Cassanya,
how would you describe that?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
How do I follow that?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I also like, I'm like, I don't know, there's too
many words, but you go.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Competitive, yes, loving, tumultuous, suff Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Oh I like this. Oh god, I haven't What are
my words? I think I would say unbreakable, nice, deep,
and hilarious. Love that yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, that's why they host a podcast together.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Multilayered Women multio.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Morgan is such a classic younger sibling though, I mean,
she really has all those tropes of the.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Youngest What do you mean tell me about the younger
sibling tropes that you identify in Morgan.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
She's that wild, she's confident.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
You can tell she always gets her way because of
the way she behaves. You know, we saw that in
a few episodes back in the Abbey Love Smoothie episode
where she was like, oh, no, I'm coming and I'm
going to like I'm going to be in charge here,
and you know, we start to see it a little
bit more. She starts to feel a little bit of
doubt when she's shopping for the wedding dress. You know,
you see those flickers of doubt in her. But overall
(02:51):
she has that really confident trope of a younger sibling.
And jo Anne is definitely the eldest.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, she has that water off a duck's back vibe
where you can try and hurt her. But yeah, outwardly,
she's like built up her defenses and it's very hard
to break into that and make her, I guess falter.
Like she comes off very confident and like very sure
of you.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
She and also happy to shoulder the responsibility of driving
things forward. You know, she does seem to be the
more organized one.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, she's very pushy to in their personal lives. Like
she's very like, oh this is annoying you, why don't
you address it? Or like, oh, the podcast is failing
because we won't talk about this. We need to fix it.
She's very like she takes charge despite being the youngest.
So true because Anya, you actually did a little bit
of research into sibling rivalries because you were saying you
don't have a sister, so you wanted to kind of
understand what that bond is Like. What did you find.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
So a lot of the research around sibling relationships is
around the oldest, middle youngest. That's the kind of trope
we often see in research. However, there is some science
around sister sister relationships. So I want to see if
you two kind of can relate to this particular thing.
They say that sometimes sister sister relationships can be more
(04:03):
close than other relationships. However, they can be more volatile
as well because of the expressive nature and the closeness.
So it's not necessarily related to the gender, but more
about personality. So traditionally feminine traits, which is like expressiveness, empathy,
feelings of closeness, those really traditionally feminine traits. If both
(04:27):
sisters have that, it will result in a much closer relationship,
but it can be a bit more volatile.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Does that sound true for you too?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's something I can relate to. I have two sisters
and I can see that in the series as well.
What about you, Tina, Yeah, I have an older sister,
and I think for me this is one of maybe
the best portrayals of a sister relationship on screen, not
necessarily when I relate to on every single level, and
I'm sure other siblings out there can see parts, but
more so just like how quickly they have a fight
and get over it. How like the line that she
(04:56):
says in the show about like we should be able
to hate each other and I should still be able
to be or made of honor. Like, I think she's
really nailed what it is to be that kind of
sister and have that type of dynamic that you've mentioned
where you know, you have this heightened closeness but because
you're both so emotional, because you both are like similar
in traits, your butt heads a lot, and it's a
strange thing that maybe not all friendships are the same
(05:16):
as the way that all sisters are, like that you
can beat each other's best friend and still hate each
other on the same day.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Morgan, what would you like to talk about then we
could talk about my wedding. Oh yeah, I mean I
still need to pick a maid of honor. Picking a
maid of honor is one of the most important decisions
you'll make in.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Your life, so it's really not okay.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Well whatever, so you don't support my decisions, You're definitely
not gonna be my made of honors?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Are you joking?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No, we should be able to hate each other and
still be each other's maids of honor.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Morgan, Well, sorry, I'm asking Ashley.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I'm gonna be a maid of honor Ashley.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, well, Ashley's a work friend, not a real friend.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Now, Ashley is a work friend who has become a
real friend and a better friend than you might.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I ask, well, if Ashley becomes your maid of honor,
then she's going back to being a work friend for me,
one that I don't trust and don't really like.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Excuse me, fine, whatever.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Definitely competitive, there is this sisterly competition between them, and
I asked you, Lupe, about how Morgan is managing that
and how that competitiveness is showing up in her relationship
with her sister.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
It's a reaction to feeling alone, a reaction to not
having found her person, a reaction to losing her sister
to this like romantic relationship. And she's like, okay, well
I need to find my place in the world, like
I'm you know, in my late thirties and I'm alone
and I'm single, and I want my like ever after,
and I don't want to be left alone. And so
(06:40):
I think this is kind of her chaotic way of
responding to that.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So it's not necessarily about being competitive. It's more about
her reaction to her sister being happy and how she
wants to see her life change as well.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, and I think sisters and also just like women
who have friendships could relate to this because it's not
necessarily something you want to feel. You don't want to
feel competitive with people. You don't want to feel like
a little seed of jealousy coming in when something happens
to a friend of yours that they're in a nice
relationship or they're having a kid, or they've hit a
mind stone. But it does happen, and I think everyone
can relate to that competitiveness, and like, how could you not.
(07:16):
It's just something that all happens to us as a
result of aging and like hitting milestones. But I kind
of think that what they've shown really well is like
the two sides of the coin here, like Morgan's feeling
like my sister's being taken away from me kind of
because she's in a happy relationship and she's hit a
point that I can't hit. And then on the other end,
we see Joanne sort of feel like, my sister got
engaged and I'm in a relationship and I'm not engaged,
(07:37):
and he doesn't want to live with me, so like
why is she ahead of me? And they kind of
both can't see what's happening beneath the surface for both
of them because they are both just feeling this weird
sort of competitiveness about the fact that they're not at
the right point because this sister has this and this
sister has this. I'd like to posit a theory here.
This reminds me of that book The Panic is by
(07:58):
Nelle Frizzell, which is all about that period in your
life kind of late twenties into your thirties when you're
making those big decisions around your life partner, whether or
not you want to procreate, that whole big you know,
existential Yeah, so some people kind of see it as
a quarter life crisis. There's Satin's return, but it's this
(08:19):
period of time where everything kind of there's a bit
of a reckoning happening in your life and you're recalibrating
and going what do I want the next twenty issues
to look like?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
But Esther definitely is in that kind of phase as well,
even though she's a little bit older, she's got a kid,
she's got her husband, she's sort of stressing out a
little bit about her life as well.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, and you see that in the dinner that she
has with Rebecca, where Rebecca's like, did I tell you
that I did this class? Now I'm going on a
trip here, and Esther, in like a very different way
to Joanna, Morgan kind of thinks about her life and
like did she make the right decisions? And she also
is drawn into this competitiveness against her friend only because
she's like, wait, have I made all the wrong decisions?
(08:58):
And it's a very human and normal thing. And I
think they've done a really good job of showing very
different women and how it's hit them at these points
in their lives.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, and also that sort of comparing and would I
have chosen this person? And you know, so that bit
where she's like, I kind of want to go on it.
You could just see she's jealous of what her friend
gets to.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Do, her friend going to Thailand, going to yea, yeah. Yeah,
even if she hates the surfing, she still gets to
go surfing. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
But I can so relate to that, and I think
a lot of women can in sort of that thirties
age bracket.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, And I think Aaron Foster, who's obviously like written
and created the show, has done a really good job
of this because she was this like notoriously single girl
only in her thirties. Like people were being a bit
dramatic about it, but we love to blometers like always single.
She's a spinsta, but she and her sister Sarah are
really lent into that, and they're like Morgan and Joanne.
Relationship is very much based on their dynamic, not necessarily
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what they were going through, but the kinds of conversations
they would have, Like Sarah literally joked about wearing a
wedding dress to Aaron's wedding like those see life in
real life, and then they've shown up to the premiere
in the same dress color because they didn't speak about it,
like they have a lot of similar issues that their
characters have. So that's kind of why I think it's
come across so well. We don't always have like these
honest conversations out the competitive feeling that you get when
(10:13):
someone else is happy.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
It's interesting that you say that because I actually dial
also speak to Aaron Foster about where a lot of
these ideas came from in the writer's room, and one
of the things she said was that it was just
about the things that happened to all of them in
their lives. They took it from their own lives. So
that was like a core part of the writing room,
and it definitely comes out in the show.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah. Absolutely. Up next, we are diving into arguably the
worst relationship, not only on this show, but maybe of
any show ever. Okay, Tina, You've got some big feelings
about Morgan's character arc this season, which I can understand
because it's largely influenced by her relationship with doctor Andy,
who is her literal therapist.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yea, the fact that she has to call him doctor
and first flag.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Isn't it sick? It's disgusting. Yeah, tell me more about that. Okay,
Morgan is my favorite character on this show. What do
you love so much about her? Honestly as the younger sister.
Maybe that's just a personal hot take. First of all,
love her style, love her hair, love her sense of comedy.
I just love everything about her. I think she's so funny,
(11:20):
so witty, and I mean, I know she's really saded
on egg and look honestly, so am I. But I
do kind of wish that I had a bit of
her sense of I'm amazing. She just has this sense
of outwardly a sense of self that is very self assured,
and she loves who she is.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
The confidence like the dinner party which she shows up
in like underwear.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, and she's like, what we're doing A thing? I
love she said to dress up.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I loved her outfits as well.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
This is very unapologetic she is, and I really love
that about her. And I think part of the reason
I found maybe this storyline hard is we see it
like take her down a peg in certain ways, which
I think is really important because it's showing like that
really underneath all of this that she puts out there,
she does have a sense of self that is very delicate,
and someone has like come along and smashed it to
(12:03):
pieces with just one word. And so if it's that delicate,
then maybe she wasn't as confident as we thought. I
want to get into that one word that you're talking about.
Talk me through that scene that plays out where her
confidence is kind of unpicked and what that does to her. Yeah,
and I mean it's so confident to go up to
a man. She's like, I'm gonna go up to this
guy I met at a dinner party. He's a friend
(12:23):
of a friend, and I'm going to ask him why
he doesn't like me. Because everyone likes me, so it's
so interesting to meet someone who doesn't and I'm going
to find out why he doesn't like me. Could you
ever imagine doing that yourself? Well, I don't want to
know why you didn't like me. I've got enough theories
in my head. It's fine, I'll tell me why I
don't like me.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So that's right back in episode two.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, Jim really way back. Yeah. Yeah, And so she
goes up to him and she's like, you know, tell
me why you went into me, and he kind of
says a few things to her, one of them being
that he found her severe, so that's one of the words.
And she's like, oh, but don't you think I'm just
like edgy? Like isn't that what I am? And then
he basically says to her like he wants to date
someone who feels like a real person. That is so cutting,
(13:02):
and she kind of brushes it off, and you know,
she talks to Beaner and then she acts as though
like this hasn't affected her at all, and then suddenly
the next episode she turns with doctor Andy. And it's
very clear throughout the season and then specifically the three
episodes we're talking about, because she explicitly says it. She's like,
he knows all the worst things about me. I said
them all in therapy, and he loves me anyway. He
(13:24):
still thinks I'm lovable despite knowing all this bad shit
about me. So she kind of took this alternative route
to the thing we're all told, which is like open
yourself up, show someone the like the worst parts of you,
get to know each other, and like they'll love you
anyway if they're the right person, when you know, you
know all that bullshit. But she's kind of cheated because
she's just gone with her therapist, who knows all this
(13:47):
shit about her and who she's paid to. She's paid
to listen to her problems, which is really clear, and
it's like she knows nothing about him at all, but
he knows all the worst parts of her and he
loves her anyway. So she's like, well, great, that guy
will do. And so it's really bad in an ethical way,
but I see where her mind went. She was her
she has kind of shaken her sense of self her
(14:09):
podcast with her sister struggling, her sisters moved on. She
doesn't want to be left behind. So she's like, I
guess this guy'll do and I get it, but oh god,
it kind of made me disappointed in her, which I
hate to be judgy. Yeah, but I was like, all
the things that you were describing about her before that
are lovable. You know, she'd had that outward sense of
(14:31):
self assuredness and all of that, and I was like,
it took me a bit to kind of believe it
and go with that really, But then as it kind
of progressed and I thought about where Joanne's at and
all of that, that then the whole picture made sense.
But yeah, it felt surprising to me that I guess
it was her whole story arc this season. I think
there's a couple of times, and I mean, we'll talk
(14:51):
about it a few times on the pod, but where
the length of the episodes and the amount of episodes.
I feel really limited them in like how much they
could get into something. And I felt a little bit
cheated when it came to Morgan and the Doctor Andy's
storyline because I wanted to see more of what was
going on for her internally, Like we're addressing a really
interesting topic and then she just doesn't get enough screen
time I feel to really like get into it, and
(15:12):
I felt for her.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
It's kind of one of the drawbacks of this style,
this sort of twenty two minute style of show.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But I do I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Seeing her vulnerability and that kind of little peek into
her psyche is so refreshing. But you know, she starts
to see those cracks with doctor Andy when she realizes
that he's.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Got a pattern, that he's got a pattern, and we
can see this.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
You know, guys like this, if you get dated a
patient once, you're going to do it again. Yeah, Like,
he definitely will do this, and we meet the previous relationship.
So she starts spinning out and realizes she knows nothing
about him, and who does she go to?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Sasha?
Speaker 4 (15:55):
That's really interesting to me, that scene in the car, Yeah,
and their little adventure. She doesn't go to her sister,
her sister who has been the one that she's felt
so comfortable with. But for this, because it's it's been
so critical of her relationship with doctor Andy, she goes
to Sasha, who doesn't judge her.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah. Yeah, she can't go to her sister too, she
will hold the mirror up to Yeah. And I think
like it's evident when they have that conversation after the
big fire on the podcast.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Listen, I don't feel comfortable with you if you are
not comfortable with me and doctor Andy.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Actually that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
And you know I might not always be clear about
what I want versus what he wants. But Joanne, honestly,
neither are you. Okay, I mean, don't you want to
be able to talk about no one more on the podcast?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Maybe? But yeah, and you can't tell him that.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
And what you really can't tell him is that you
wish conversion wasn't such an issue for you guys, because
that would make your life a lot easier like minus.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Okay, Morgan, but there is a very real reason why
I am saying you are going too quick with doctor Andy. Okay.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Yes, I never said anything the first time you jumped
into a marriage, and I really regret that.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
So from then on, Morgan's like, well, I can't tell
her if there's a problem. So yeah, he goes to Sasha,
And honestly, I love them so much as friends. I
love their little adventures of stupidity and the fact that
they go to the iPhone store to like be like,
you know what, this Apple employee, he will help us
break into my partner's iPhone to see what his deal is,
and the Apple employee delivering so true, the ultimate truth
if you need to break into his phone, don't you
(17:28):
know the answers. But she doesn't because she keeps going
to couples counseling and that's really annoying. And I think
that's where I connect with you and what you're saying
about being a little bit disappointed in her because when
they're sitting in couples therapy, like she has a great
reaction to finding out that this man has a pattern
of dating his patients, and then they go to couples
therapy and she's being like gas lighted by this couple
therapist who is clearly just best friends with her doctor
(17:49):
Andy therapist. But it was disappointing to see that she
was like annoyed but not standing up for herself. But
I guess that's because she's just gone, I need this
to work. I need this to not be a failure,
and I need to show everyone that I'm lovable just
like Joanne is. I.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
No, we didn't get as much time with them all. Yeah,
and it would have been great to have longer episodes
and like.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, really get into it.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, but I still really appreciate that they covered that,
and he covered those relationships, and they've covered this even
though it's kind of crazy and actually doesn't happen, and
you know, it's supposed to be funny because it's a comedy.
Yeah that even though it's a you know, heightened version
of reality, it still is really relatable.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah. Oh yeah, it's so real. I mean, I don't
want to get too personal, but looking at you know,
your own lives, you see friends, colleagues, maybe siblings making
wild decisions and you're going, I want to be supportive,
but this, but this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, when do you know to say you got to stop?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And it actually takes a lot for Joanne to say
something like that's quite scary to do.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, her parents won't say anything.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, Yeah, I did love the scene in the wedding
dress shop when like the mom's kind of saying that she,
you know, it's important to know people, and Joanna starts
like loudly saying it so that Morgan can hear her
in the dressing room. She's like, yes, you should get
to know someone before you marry them. What an interesting thought.
She's really teetering around it for a long time before
she brings it up. I was going to say that
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scene's a really interesting study because at the start she
starts behaving strangey, like she puts on the dress because
she doesn't know the words, and then it slowly evolves
until yeah, she just kind of out and sets it,
and it does come out in the pod, and then
eventually like their weird little apology makeup, which is just
so perfect for sisters to be like, Okay, well I'm sorry,
but I also did this to you, so we're even great.
We're done. So a little silly like behind the scenes
(19:39):
moment from that wedding dress shopping scene is that the
first dress Morgan tries on is like this silky, basic
sort of wedding dress number, and like the family all
hate it, and Joanne is like it's basically pajamas. I
don't like it, and the dad's like, and it's like
you can see her on thewear line that's like essentially
the exact same dress that the actress Justine Lupe wore
for her wedding last year. So they're just like doing
(20:00):
a little cutesy joke making fun of themselves. And it's
not the only time, like when they wear the gold
necklace on Valentine's Day and they mention the designer that's
actually a friend of the Foster system. So like there's
a few things they've sprinkled throughout just to be like,
ha ha, aren't we so silly.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Cast inside jokes?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That's the vibe I get from them, and so funny
and yeah lovely.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
It's almost like it probably was her idea to be like,
let's do this, Yeah, let's make fuss, make fun of me. Yeah.
Do you know what other part was really funny? Congratulations? Yeah,
with like ten question marks, so good. I did say congratulations.
No you didn't, you said congratulations, which is how I
would react if something like that happened to a friend
(20:42):
of mine that was this deeply concerning to me.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, congratulations, that's awesome news.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah. Wow, we that's exciting.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah. Okay, when you start to say friends make the
same mistakes over and over again, you just kind of
have to sit and work.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That's not all we're going to hear about from Morgan
and doctor Andy after the break. We're going to talk
about what I like to call The Game from Hell,
and we're also going to talk about the major crossroads
that we see the characters face at this point in
the story. Okay, episode nine, it's titled Crossroads, and I
feel like this is a point where we see all
(21:19):
of these relationships under a lot of pressure. But it
all kind of comes to a head when they're at
the pub and they're playing that game, the Game from Hell,
which we've kind of dumbed it among ourselves. But the
point where the cracks actually start to show is the
previous episode where they're sitting in the park, Abby Loves Smoothie.
Breakup announcement happens, and then Noah and Joanne start to
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talk about their feelings around marriage and whether it's okay
to let things go. Noah even starts to describe or
compare leaving a marriage to Joanne changing schools a lot.
That bit kind of gave me the ick, Tina, What
did you think about that?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Likewise, I think he's feeling a sense of panic. The
longer it goes on. There's this tabled pressure throughout the
whole season of will she won't she convert? And I
think the longer that that goes, the longer that they
don't have that conversation and they just keeps shoving it aside,
the worse he's starting to feel. So then he like
reads into everything that she does or every conversation they
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have as like a way to put a judgment on
her and the kinds of decisions she makes.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Right, Yeah, the core of it is about values in
a relationship.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
You know, you look at Noah, whose parents are together,
they've been together like a long time.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
He's in this very family orientated dynamic.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
And then when we look at Joann, who's parents are divorced,
and you know, there comes this questioning of is she
actually going to fight for our marriage?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Is she interested in being a partnership?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, And I think when they have the conversation about
like the Abbey love smoothies, divorce, and then the fact
that she's changed high schools a lot. They have this
dinner with her parents where they mentioned like, oh, she
changed schools a lot, she was always really flighty, like
they never stick with anything. He sort of comes to
this conclusion that she wouldn't stick with a marriage or
their marriage if something were to come up that was
complicated or hard. And I think she does the one
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thing she doesn't do very much this season, and she
actually communicates how she feels, and she starts to explain
the difference in where they're coming from, like, Yeah, you
had a great childhood with a family that loved you
and a mom who thought like the sun shines out
of your ears. I had a family where my parents
should have gotten divorced long before they ever did, and
it changed the way that I view romance and love.
Like she's coming from a very different place.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Noah is really starting to bother me though, because you
can see his insecure with Templa Hover. He's having doubts
about his own abilities as a rabbi.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He's competing.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
He's really uncomfortable with Rabbi Neil, which is seth Rogen's character.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
He's really uncomfortable with it.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
We see that more and more, and it all sort
of comes to a head at the end of episode
eight when Joanne gets a victad.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, and it is seeping into like how he views
their relationship, and it's the one thing she didn't want.
It's why she left at the end of season one.
She was like, I'm not going to make you make
this decision because you might regret me one day. You
might blame me for this. And despite the fact that
she did the big gesture he came back. They were like,
we're fine, everything's great. But because he's not liking his job,
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because he's not liking the decision that he's made, it's
all coming into how he's viewing the relationship. And I
do believe that he's starting to look at her as
like the reason that he's unhappy in his work and
he's still waiting for her to convert. So he's like,
I don't know that you're worth the sacrifice that I made.
That's how it's coming across to me. Her worst nightmare,
the thing that she predicted is Sword of starting to
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play out.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
She warned him and said, hey, I don't want this
to be a thing. Yeahs like I promise it won't now.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yeah, And in the game from how he goes it
wasn't a hard decision like that is so brutal.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, and it all culminates in this yet decision that's
apparently very easy for him to go, we shouldn't live together.
We just shouldn't. And she kind of doesn't understand that
till they play the game and they later have a
conversation where his reasoning explanation is like, but I don't
want us to move in together, And then the conversation
around you converting just keeps carrying on for years and
we don't resolve it. I mean, that's a slap in
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the face to her. Really, she didn't see that coming.
But like he's clearly been festering on this, and I
guess we have the Game from Hell to thank for
why it all comes out.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Oh, everybody loses it in card.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Game with people who are in a bad space.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Can we talk a little, yeah, Sasha, And I was.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Going to say The Game from Hell is such a
critical point in the whole season, even the way it's
not as well, it's kind of like panning around you
couples and you just know in that happy montage bit
when they're all like, ha ha ha, I did this.
I can't wait for this to turn back. Yeah, doctor
Andy's like standing up reenacting some funny, hilarious scene where
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like fell over I don't know on some adventure sport.
The part that is really a moment of clarity for
me was when Sasha says, you don't know anything about
doctor Andy to Morgan, so you had to bring a
game because you've never asked him a question. That was
pretty cuding what you said. It's so brutal, But Sasha,
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you're so I loved Sasha's big meltdown. I thought it
was over Jew and he deserved to have that moment absolutely,
And yes, he maybe attacked Morgan in that moment, but
his brother has been hanging up on him. His wife esthera,
we love Essa, but she's gone through some shit and
it means she's kind of ignoring him and not properly
conversing with him. And then they're playing this game that
takes a turn to the Game from Hell, and suddenly
(26:30):
his wife saying that her ideal life is, you know,
one that he's not in h Morgan alone suddenly discovering
that her fiance has a secret twin she didn't know
about it. After so funny dragging Sasha all around town like, oh,
it's my relationship a out? Is it? Okay? How can
you help me? Like everything is about everyone else, it's
never about Sasha, and this game has exposed that for him,
and I think he deserved to yell at everybody and
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point out the flaws. I kind of think that makes
him the catalyst for everything that follows that day.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Absolutely, and Esther is so focused on herself, which she
has a right to be. Exactly there is she's allowed
to do that. I did actually talk to Jackie Tone
about Esther's ark and how much she changed, and this
is what she had to say.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
And I think she's starting to get a little bit
of a wind in her sales of like wait a minute,
this could be fun. I could be fun. And so
she's really on just like a self exploration journey in
season two of like what does my.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Life look like?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
What would it look like if I was actually trying
to make these decisions instead of ending up with a
person I love but who I got with because we
got pregnant and then now we're sort of here fifteen
eighteen years later, and it's like, what decisions would I
have made differently? And I think this is the first
time she's ever asked herself that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
We've talked about her wanting to be fun, to have fun.
She says that a few times throughout the season. Oh
my god, we all want to be fun. We want
to be the fun one. And I know we just
said Sasha deserves to yell at everyone, but I also
see her success though she needs a moment. Yeah, I'm
kind of like Sasha kind of deserves to be in
hot water too, because he had her feelings. Yes, and
if I really enjoy Sasha as a character, but if
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I was married to Sasha, I will probably be already
out of there.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Same it's a complacency.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
And yeah, a lot of women I know would relate
to where Esta is in her life. It is you know,
she actually says, Disasha, I'm not your mother. Yeah, and
it becomes so common in that relationship. You've got a kid,
you are managing a household, you're doing the mental load.
I mean, we talk ignores him about mental load is
such a huge topic, but it's real, and so many
(28:28):
women in their sort of late thirties forties, they're running
a household, looking after children.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They have no time for themselves.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
That's why she talks about her ideal day being like
eating a steak alone.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I so relate to that. I know a lot of
women would.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah. And it seems to catch him off guard obviously,
but the main reason being, we already know, they already
told us. He's like, Essa's not talking to me. I
don't know what's going on with her. And that is
the theme that has kind of brought us to this
card game. Is just like miscommunication or no communication for
some of the couples, especially the scene that we saw
where Joanne comes home from her bad day where she's
had a fight with Morgan and they decide they're going
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to stop the podcast. Noah comes home from the temple,
decides he hates it and he's made a terrible decision,
and they walk in the door and they both go,
how's your day, and they go, oh, not fine, it
was great day. But they've both told their siblings how
they're feeling, but no one seems to be telling their
partners how they're feeling. And that's what this game exposes
and blows up. Yes, And it actually reminds me of
something a child psychologist said once when I was doing
a different podcast and they were talking about how you
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can let it all hang out with people you feel
safe with. And that's why you often hear stories around
kids who act like angels at daycare or school, and
then they get home and maybe consent you the experiences,
and then they just totally and you're like the teacher said,
they were an angel at school and they're a devil
at home. Why It's because they feel safe with you.
And you see that with these relationships. They're letting it
all hang out for their siblings, but they're not being
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honest with their significant other, and it's you know, there's
real repercussions for that. Yeah, that's how this whole episode
of Crossroads kicks off, right Like Joanne's like, well, I
need a place to live, and then Noah's like, well,
I guess we'll find you one, won't we. But then
goes and has a whole conversation with his brother on
the basketball court, being like, no, she said, it's fine.
I said this, We're all good. Everything's fine, and Sasha's
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you're a bit of an idiot if you think that's true.
But they go off and they have conversations with their siblings,
but not with each other. And then that is how
we end up with this massive blow up because he's
not been honest about the reason he doesn't want to
move in with her.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Sasha's actually so insightful.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
You know. The first season he was so much comic
relief and that was him. But again we're getting these
like really raw moments of him, and he really snaps.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, he's over it.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
He's sick of everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I kind of love it. I love it too, And
I think his advice is wise, and I think he's
always got something good to say. Everyone else is not
really saying what they mean, and Sasha's calling them all out. Yeah,
And you see it sort of like this is the
culmination of Joanne and Noah just pretending nothing's wrong for
a really long time. And Sasha's been like ribbing at
Noah to make it work and like be honest, and
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he hasn't been. And now we see it blow up
in this moment where Noah's like, I'll tell you later,
we'll have this discussion later. We don't need to have
it in front of everybody at the pub. But it's like, well,
you wouldn't have had to if you'd ever just been
honest with each other.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Do you know what's interesting to me?
Speaker 4 (31:10):
In season one, so much of the feedback on the
season was that it was such a great depiction of
relationships and that you know, these were mature relationships and
they were talking and we've kind of backslid a little bit,
Like what is that about this season that's shifted in
the way that they're handling relationships. Is that when you
get deeper into relationship, you there's.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
More to lose. Yeah, more to lose now. And it
was very surface level. I guess we just didn't realize
because we've learned so much about Noah this season that's
given many people to dick. But like we thought that
that was wow, look at him, Look how open he's being,
Look how honest he's being. And then it's like, maybe
it actually wasn't It was just surface level, like he's
on paper, good guy and he has his flaws like
we all do. But yeah, it's not good. It's concerning
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and maybe there's just like a bigger undertone of anxiety
because we're having a lot of the same conversations we
had last season, but this time they're more stressful because
there's more to lose. Yeah, the stakes are higher. Season
one was about losing the fairy tale, and this is
about actually losing losing the person, your person and someone
who you've made a lot of sacrifice for that they've
both made, given up things, his job, all of that
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sort of stuff. So yeah, I just think the stakes
are higher. Yeah, I agree, And it ends in this
really heartbreaking conversation at the end of episode nine between
Norah and Joanne, which I wasn't ready for. I have
to admit I was very upset by this.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
There's a lot going on now and again yep, this
episode is called Crossroads and everything blows up at the end.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, what was it about that conversation between Noah and
Joanne that made you feel all those things? Probably just
that they finally do acknowledge what they've pretended was final
along which is again is conversation of is she ready
and when will she ever be ready? To convert to Judaism.
They've said we tabled it. I know we didn't. Whoopsie
(32:57):
Daisy's Oh, it's still on the cards. I just need time.
And we're finally at the point again thanks to the
card game and thanks to Sasha of recognizing that nothing
will change unless they change it. And it was really
heartbreaking to see Ech and crying and like acknowledging the
big fear they've both had is like, don't we maybe
deserve better than this, which is two people scared to
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really be in a relationship and take the next step
because we're just scared it's never going to work out.
Don't we deserve more than this? It's a really sad
place to end when we've got one episode left to go.
What would make you happy for the finale? There's one
episode left, We're at a pretty big cliffhanger. What do
you want to see the season finish on?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I want to see all these people happy, I honestly do.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
I want the ball to be happy, and for Noah
to get his head out of his ass sorry, and
Joanne to make a decision, Morgan to realize what she's
done wrong and dump that dude, and I want Esther
to spread her wings and fly, and Sasha to also
be really happy because I love him.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So I don't know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Care Yeah, I'm pretty aligned with you. I mean, I
know they said they don't want to explore the Morgan
and Sasha thing, but I still hold hope. I still
hold hope the chemistry, great chemistry, even if they're just
I don't know, I just like them. I'm not as
positive as Causenna. I don't want one specific person to
be happy, and that's doctor Andy. I want him to
get dumbs. Everyone else could be happy, valid, Okay, But
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I want doctor Andy to get dumbs, and I want
him to be heartbroken, and I want him to suffer
okay for his unethical therapist behavior.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I did say I didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I'd like his therapist's license to be revived. I'd like
his license to be revoked. I'd like him maybe jail.
I don't know. Yeah, I really hope Morgan wakes up
to herself. Me too, want to say that. Thanks so
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Spill, and i am Tina Berg, Muma Mes pop culture
and social editor. On today's episode of Watch Party, we're
diving into episode seven to nine of season two of
Nobody Wants This. We're getting near the pointy end of
the season and things are getting really intense. So we've
already done a debrief on the first six episodes, and
if you haven't listened to those, jump into the watch
(01:01):
Party feed and catch up. But just a warning, there
will be some spoilers up to episode nine today, but
we won't be talking about the finale, so if you
haven't watched that yet, you're all safe. All right, let's jump.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
In, Let's do it, yay.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Okay, we need to talk about something that's been bubbling
away underneath the surface of this whole season, which is
the relationship between Morgan and Joanne. The sibling rivalry, the
sister friendship, closeness, colleague, emmeshed of it all. If you
could describe their relationship in three words, what would you say, Tina?
(01:38):
Oh my god, complex, fun, dramatic, nice? What about you, Cassanya,
how would you describe that?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
How do I follow that?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I also like, I'm like, I don't know, there's too
many words, but you go.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Competitive, yes, loving, tumultuous, suff Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Oh I like this. Oh god, I haven't What are
my words? I think I would say unbreakable, nice, deep,
and hilarious. Love that yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, that's why they host a podcast together.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Multilayered Women multio.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Morgan is such a classic younger sibling though, I mean,
she really has all those tropes of the.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Youngest What do you mean tell me about the younger
sibling tropes that you identify in Morgan.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
She's that wild, she's confident.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
You can tell she always gets her way because of
the way she behaves. You know, we saw that in
a few episodes back in the Abbey Love Smoothie episode
where she was like, oh, no, I'm coming and I'm
going to like I'm going to be in charge here,
and you know, we start to see it a little
bit more. She starts to feel a little bit of
doubt when she's shopping for the wedding dress. You know,
you see those flickers of doubt in her. But overall
(02:51):
she has that really confident trope of a younger sibling.
And jo Anne is definitely the eldest.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, she has that water off a duck's back vibe
where you can try and hurt her. But yeah, outwardly,
she's like built up her defenses and it's very hard
to break into that and make her, I guess falter.
Like she comes off very confident and like very sure
of you.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
She and also happy to shoulder the responsibility of driving
things forward. You know, she does seem to be the
more organized one.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, she's very pushy to in their personal lives. Like
she's very like, oh this is annoying you, why don't
you address it? Or like, oh, the podcast is failing
because we won't talk about this. We need to fix it.
She's very like she takes charge despite being the youngest.
So true because Anya, you actually did a little bit
of research into sibling rivalries because you were saying you
don't have a sister, so you wanted to kind of
understand what that bond is Like. What did you find.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
So a lot of the research around sibling relationships is
around the oldest, middle youngest. That's the kind of trope
we often see in research. However, there is some science
around sister sister relationships. So I want to see if
you two kind of can relate to this particular thing.
They say that sometimes sister sister relationships can be more
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close than other relationships. However, they can be more volatile
as well because of the expressive nature and the closeness.
So it's not necessarily related to the gender, but more
about personality. So traditionally feminine traits, which is like expressiveness, empathy,
feelings of closeness, those really traditionally feminine traits. If both
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sisters have that, it will result in a much closer relationship,
but it can be a bit more volatile.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Does that sound true for you too?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's something I can relate to. I have two sisters
and I can see that in the series as well.
What about you, Tina, Yeah, I have an older sister,
and I think for me this is one of maybe
the best portrayals of a sister relationship on screen, not
necessarily when I relate to on every single level, and
I'm sure other siblings out there can see parts, but
more so just like how quickly they have a fight
and get over it. How like the line that she
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says in the show about like we should be able
to hate each other and I should still be able
to be or made of honor. Like, I think she's
really nailed what it is to be that kind of
sister and have that type of dynamic that you've mentioned
where you know, you have this heightened closeness but because
you're both so emotional, because you both are like similar
in traits, your butt heads a lot, and it's a
strange thing that maybe not all friendships are the same
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as the way that all sisters are, like that you
can beat each other's best friend and still hate each
other on the same day.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Morgan, what would you like to talk about then we
could talk about my wedding. Oh yeah, I mean I
still need to pick a maid of honor. Picking a
maid of honor is one of the most important decisions
you'll make in.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Your life, so it's really not okay.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Well whatever, so you don't support my decisions, You're definitely
not gonna be my made of honors?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Are you joking?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No, we should be able to hate each other and
still be each other's maids of honor.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Morgan, Well, sorry, I'm asking Ashley.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I'm gonna be a maid of honor Ashley.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, well, Ashley's a work friend, not a real friend.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Now, Ashley is a work friend who has become a
real friend and a better friend than you might.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I ask, well, if Ashley becomes your maid of honor,
then she's going back to being a work friend for me,
one that I don't trust and don't really like.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Excuse me, fine, whatever.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Definitely competitive, there is this sisterly competition between them, and
I asked you, Lupe, about how Morgan is managing that
and how that competitiveness is showing up in her relationship
with her sister.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
It's a reaction to feeling alone, a reaction to not
having found her person, a reaction to losing her sister
to this like romantic relationship. And she's like, okay, well
I need to find my place in the world, like
I'm you know, in my late thirties and I'm alone
and I'm single, and I want my like ever after,
and I don't want to be left alone. And so
(06:40):
I think this is kind of her chaotic way of
responding to that.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So it's not necessarily about being competitive. It's more about
her reaction to her sister being happy and how she
wants to see her life change as well.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, and I think sisters and also just like women
who have friendships could relate to this because it's not
necessarily something you want to feel. You don't want to
feel competitive with people. You don't want to feel like
a little seed of jealousy coming in when something happens
to a friend of yours that they're in a nice
relationship or they're having a kid, or they've hit a
mind stone. But it does happen, and I think everyone
can relate to that competitiveness, and like, how could you not.
(07:16):
It's just something that all happens to us as a
result of aging and like hitting milestones. But I kind
of think that what they've shown really well is like
the two sides of the coin here, like Morgan's feeling
like my sister's being taken away from me kind of
because she's in a happy relationship and she's hit a
point that I can't hit. And then on the other end,
we see Joanne sort of feel like, my sister got
engaged and I'm in a relationship and I'm not engaged,
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and he doesn't want to live with me, so like
why is she ahead of me? And they kind of
both can't see what's happening beneath the surface for both
of them because they are both just feeling this weird
sort of competitiveness about the fact that they're not at
the right point because this sister has this and this
sister has this. I'd like to posit a theory here.
This reminds me of that book The Panic is by
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Nelle Frizzell, which is all about that period in your
life kind of late twenties into your thirties when you're
making those big decisions around your life partner, whether or
not you want to procreate, that whole big you know,
existential Yeah, so some people kind of see it as
a quarter life crisis. There's Satin's return, but it's this
(08:19):
period of time where everything kind of there's a bit
of a reckoning happening in your life and you're recalibrating
and going what do I want the next twenty issues
to look like?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
But Esther definitely is in that kind of phase as well,
even though she's a little bit older, she's got a kid,
she's got her husband, she's sort of stressing out a
little bit about her life as well.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, and you see that in the dinner that she
has with Rebecca, where Rebecca's like, did I tell you
that I did this class? Now I'm going on a
trip here, and Esther, in like a very different way
to Joanna, Morgan kind of thinks about her life and
like did she make the right decisions? And she also
is drawn into this competitiveness against her friend only because
she's like, wait, have I made all the wrong decisions?
(08:58):
And it's a very human and normal thing. And I
think they've done a really good job of showing very
different women and how it's hit them at these points
in their lives.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, and also that sort of comparing and would I
have chosen this person? And you know, so that bit
where she's like, I kind of want to go on it.
You could just see she's jealous of what her friend
gets to.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Do, her friend going to Thailand, going to yea, yeah. Yeah,
even if she hates the surfing, she still gets to
go surfing. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
But I can so relate to that, and I think
a lot of women can in sort of that thirties
age bracket.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, And I think Aaron Foster, who's obviously like written
and created the show, has done a really good job
of this because she was this like notoriously single girl
only in her thirties. Like people were being a bit
dramatic about it, but we love to blometers like always single.
She's a spinsta, but she and her sister Sarah are
really lent into that, and they're like Morgan and Joanne.
Relationship is very much based on their dynamic, not necessarily
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what they were going through, but the kinds of conversations
they would have, Like Sarah literally joked about wearing a
wedding dress to Aaron's wedding like those see life in
real life, and then they've shown up to the premiere
in the same dress color because they didn't speak about it,
like they have a lot of similar issues that their
characters have. So that's kind of why I think it's
come across so well. We don't always have like these
honest conversations out the competitive feeling that you get when
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someone else is happy.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
It's interesting that you say that because I actually dial
also speak to Aaron Foster about where a lot of
these ideas came from in the writer's room, and one
of the things she said was that it was just
about the things that happened to all of them in
their lives. They took it from their own lives. So
that was like a core part of the writing room,
and it definitely comes out in the show.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah. Absolutely. Up next, we are diving into arguably the
worst relationship, not only on this show, but maybe of
any show ever. Okay, Tina, You've got some big feelings
about Morgan's character arc this season, which I can understand
because it's largely influenced by her relationship with doctor Andy,
who is her literal therapist.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yea, the fact that she has to call him doctor
and first flag.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Isn't it sick? It's disgusting. Yeah, tell me more about that. Okay,
Morgan is my favorite character on this show. What do
you love so much about her? Honestly as the younger sister.
Maybe that's just a personal hot take. First of all,
love her style, love her hair, love her sense of comedy.
I just love everything about her. I think she's so funny,
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so witty, and I mean, I know she's really saded
on egg and look honestly, so am I. But I
do kind of wish that I had a bit of
her sense of I'm amazing. She just has this sense
of outwardly a sense of self that is very self assured,
and she loves who she is.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
The confidence like the dinner party which she shows up
in like underwear.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, and she's like, what we're doing A thing? I
love she said to dress up.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I loved her outfits as well.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
This is very unapologetic she is, and I really love
that about her. And I think part of the reason
I found maybe this storyline hard is we see it
like take her down a peg in certain ways, which
I think is really important because it's showing like that
really underneath all of this that she puts out there,
she does have a sense of self that is very delicate,
and someone has like come along and smashed it to
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pieces with just one word. And so if it's that delicate,
then maybe she wasn't as confident as we thought. I
want to get into that one word that you're talking about.
Talk me through that scene that plays out where her
confidence is kind of unpicked and what that does to her. Yeah,
and I mean it's so confident to go up to
a man. She's like, I'm gonna go up to this
guy I met at a dinner party. He's a friend
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of a friend, and I'm going to ask him why
he doesn't like me. Because everyone likes me, so it's
so interesting to meet someone who doesn't and I'm going
to find out why he doesn't like me. Could you
ever imagine doing that yourself? Well, I don't want to
know why you didn't like me. I've got enough theories
in my head. It's fine, I'll tell me why I
don't like me.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
So that's right back in episode two.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, Jim really way back. Yeah. Yeah, And so she
goes up to him and she's like, you know, tell
me why you went into me, and he kind of
says a few things to her, one of them being
that he found her severe, so that's one of the words.
And she's like, oh, but don't you think I'm just
like edgy? Like isn't that what I am? And then
he basically says to her like he wants to date
someone who feels like a real person. That is so cutting,
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and she kind of brushes it off, and you know,
she talks to Beaner and then she acts as though
like this hasn't affected her at all, and then suddenly
the next episode she turns with doctor Andy. And it's
very clear throughout the season and then specifically the three
episodes we're talking about, because she explicitly says it. She's like,
he knows all the worst things about me. I said
them all in therapy, and he loves me anyway. He
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still thinks I'm lovable despite knowing all this bad shit
about me. So she kind of took this alternative route
to the thing we're all told, which is like open
yourself up, show someone the like the worst parts of you,
get to know each other, and like they'll love you
anyway if they're the right person, when you know, you
know all that bullshit. But she's kind of cheated because
she's just gone with her therapist, who knows all this
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shit about her and who she's paid to. She's paid
to listen to her problems, which is really clear, and
it's like she knows nothing about him at all, but
he knows all the worst parts of her and he
loves her anyway. So she's like, well, great, that guy
will do. And so it's really bad in an ethical way,
but I see where her mind went. She was her
she has kind of shaken her sense of self her
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podcast with her sister struggling, her sisters moved on. She
doesn't want to be left behind. So she's like, I
guess this guy'll do and I get it, but oh god,
it kind of made me disappointed in her, which I
hate to be judgy. Yeah, but I was like, all
the things that you were describing about her before that
are lovable. You know, she'd had that outward sense of
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self assuredness and all of that, and I was like,
it took me a bit to kind of believe it
and go with that really, But then as it kind
of progressed and I thought about where Joanne's at and
all of that, that then the whole picture made sense.
But yeah, it felt surprising to me that I guess
it was her whole story arc this season. I think
there's a couple of times, and I mean, we'll talk
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about it a few times on the pod, but where
the length of the episodes and the amount of episodes.
I feel really limited them in like how much they
could get into something. And I felt a little bit
cheated when it came to Morgan and the Doctor Andy's
storyline because I wanted to see more of what was
going on for her internally, Like we're addressing a really
interesting topic and then she just doesn't get enough screen
time I feel to really like get into it, and
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I felt for her.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
It's kind of one of the drawbacks of this style,
this sort of twenty two minute style of show.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But I do I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Seeing her vulnerability and that kind of little peek into
her psyche is so refreshing. But you know, she starts
to see those cracks with doctor Andy when she realizes
that he's.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Got a pattern, that he's got a pattern, and we
can see this.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
You know, guys like this, if you get dated a
patient once, you're going to do it again. Yeah, Like,
he definitely will do this, and we meet the previous relationship.
So she starts spinning out and realizes she knows nothing
about him, and who does she go to?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Sasha?
Speaker 4 (15:55):
That's really interesting to me, that scene in the car, Yeah,
and their little adventure. She doesn't go to her sister,
her sister who has been the one that she's felt
so comfortable with. But for this, because it's it's been
so critical of her relationship with doctor Andy, she goes
to Sasha, who doesn't judge her.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah. Yeah, she can't go to her sister too, she
will hold the mirror up to Yeah. And I think
like it's evident when they have that conversation after the
big fire on the podcast.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Listen, I don't feel comfortable with you if you are
not comfortable with me and doctor Andy.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Actually that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
And you know I might not always be clear about
what I want versus what he wants. But Joanne, honestly,
neither are you. Okay, I mean, don't you want to
be able to talk about no one more on the podcast?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Maybe? But yeah, and you can't tell him that.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
And what you really can't tell him is that you
wish conversion wasn't such an issue for you guys, because
that would make your life a lot easier like minus.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Okay, Morgan, but there is a very real reason why
I am saying you are going too quick with doctor Andy. Okay.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Yes, I never said anything the first time you jumped
into a marriage, and I really regret that.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
So from then on, Morgan's like, well, I can't tell
her if there's a problem. So yeah, he goes to Sasha,
And honestly, I love them so much as friends. I
love their little adventures of stupidity and the fact that
they go to the iPhone store to like be like,
you know what, this Apple employee, he will help us
break into my partner's iPhone to see what his deal is,
and the Apple employee delivering so true, the ultimate truth
if you need to break into his phone, don't you
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know the answers. But she doesn't because she keeps going
to couples counseling and that's really annoying. And I think
that's where I connect with you and what you're saying
about being a little bit disappointed in her because when
they're sitting in couples therapy, like she has a great
reaction to finding out that this man has a pattern
of dating his patients, and then they go to couples
therapy and she's being like gas lighted by this couple
therapist who is clearly just best friends with her doctor
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Andy therapist. But it was disappointing to see that she
was like annoyed but not standing up for herself. But
I guess that's because she's just gone, I need this
to work. I need this to not be a failure,
and I need to show everyone that I'm lovable just
like Joanne is. I.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
No, we didn't get as much time with them all. Yeah,
and it would have been great to have longer episodes
and like.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, really get into it.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, but I still really appreciate that they covered that,
and he covered those relationships, and they've covered this even
though it's kind of crazy and actually doesn't happen, and
you know, it's supposed to be funny because it's a comedy.
Yeah that even though it's a you know, heightened version
of reality, it still is really relatable.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah. Oh yeah, it's so real. I mean, I don't
want to get too personal, but looking at you know,
your own lives, you see friends, colleagues, maybe siblings making
wild decisions and you're going, I want to be supportive,
but this, but this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, when do you know to say you got to stop?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And it actually takes a lot for Joanne to say
something like that's quite scary to do.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, her parents won't say anything.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, Yeah, I did love the scene in the wedding
dress shop when like the mom's kind of saying that she,
you know, it's important to know people, and Joanna starts
like loudly saying it so that Morgan can hear her
in the dressing room. She's like, yes, you should get
to know someone before you marry them. What an interesting thought.
She's really teetering around it for a long time before
she brings it up. I was going to say that
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scene's a really interesting study because at the start she
starts behaving strangey, like she puts on the dress because
she doesn't know the words, and then it slowly evolves
until yeah, she just kind of out and sets it,
and it does come out in the pod, and then
eventually like their weird little apology makeup, which is just
so perfect for sisters to be like, Okay, well I'm sorry,
but I also did this to you, so we're even great.
We're done. So a little silly like behind the scenes
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moment from that wedding dress shopping scene is that the
first dress Morgan tries on is like this silky, basic
sort of wedding dress number, and like the family all
hate it, and Joanne is like it's basically pajamas. I
don't like it, and the dad's like, and it's like
you can see her on thewear line that's like essentially
the exact same dress that the actress Justine Lupe wore
for her wedding last year. So they're just like doing
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a little cutesy joke making fun of themselves. And it's
not the only time, like when they wear the gold
necklace on Valentine's Day and they mention the designer that's
actually a friend of the Foster system. So like there's
a few things they've sprinkled throughout just to be like,
ha ha, aren't we so silly.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Cast inside jokes?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
That's the vibe I get from them, and so funny
and yeah lovely.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
It's almost like it probably was her idea to be like,
let's do this, Yeah, let's make fuss, make fun of me. Yeah.
Do you know what other part was really funny? Congratulations? Yeah,
with like ten question marks, so good. I did say congratulations.
No you didn't, you said congratulations, which is how I
would react if something like that happened to a friend
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of mine that was this deeply concerning to me.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, congratulations, that's awesome news.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah. Wow, we that's exciting.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah. Okay, when you start to say friends make the
same mistakes over and over again, you just kind of
have to sit and work.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
That's not all we're going to hear about from Morgan
and doctor Andy after the break. We're going to talk
about what I like to call The Game from Hell,
and we're also going to talk about the major crossroads
that we see the characters face at this point in
the story. Okay, episode nine, it's titled Crossroads, and I
feel like this is a point where we see all
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of these relationships under a lot of pressure. But it
all kind of comes to a head when they're at
the pub and they're playing that game, the Game from Hell,
which we've kind of dumbed it among ourselves. But the
point where the cracks actually start to show is the
previous episode where they're sitting in the park, Abby Loves Smoothie.
Breakup announcement happens, and then Noah and Joanne start to
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talk about their feelings around marriage and whether it's okay
to let things go. Noah even starts to describe or
compare leaving a marriage to Joanne changing schools a lot.
That bit kind of gave me the ick, Tina, What
did you think about that?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Likewise, I think he's feeling a sense of panic. The
longer it goes on. There's this tabled pressure throughout the
whole season of will she won't she convert? And I
think the longer that that goes, the longer that they
don't have that conversation and they just keeps shoving it aside,
the worse he's starting to feel. So then he like
reads into everything that she does or every conversation they
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have as like a way to put a judgment on
her and the kinds of decisions she makes.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Right, Yeah, the core of it is about values in
a relationship.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
You know, you look at Noah, whose parents are together,
they've been together like a long time.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
He's in this very family orientated dynamic.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
And then when we look at Joann, who's parents are divorced,
and you know, there comes this questioning of is she
actually going to fight for our marriage?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Is she interested in being a partnership?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, And I think when they have the conversation about
like the Abbey love smoothies, divorce, and then the fact
that she's changed high schools a lot. They have this
dinner with her parents where they mentioned like, oh, she
changed schools a lot, she was always really flighty, like
they never stick with anything. He sort of comes to
this conclusion that she wouldn't stick with a marriage or
their marriage if something were to come up that was
complicated or hard. And I think she does the one
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thing she doesn't do very much this season, and she
actually communicates how she feels, and she starts to explain
the difference in where they're coming from, like, Yeah, you
had a great childhood with a family that loved you
and a mom who thought like the sun shines out
of your ears. I had a family where my parents
should have gotten divorced long before they ever did, and
it changed the way that I view romance and love.
Like she's coming from a very different place.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Noah is really starting to bother me though, because you
can see his insecure with Templa Hover. He's having doubts
about his own abilities as a rabbi.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He's competing.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
He's really uncomfortable with Rabbi Neil, which is seth Rogen's character.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
He's really uncomfortable with it.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
We see that more and more, and it all sort
of comes to a head at the end of episode
eight when Joanne gets a victad.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, and it is seeping into like how he views
their relationship, and it's the one thing she didn't want.
It's why she left at the end of season one.
She was like, I'm not going to make you make
this decision because you might regret me one day. You
might blame me for this. And despite the fact that
she did the big gesture he came back. They were like,
we're fine, everything's great. But because he's not liking his job,
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because he's not liking the decision that he's made, it's
all coming into how he's viewing the relationship. And I
do believe that he's starting to look at her as
like the reason that he's unhappy in his work and
he's still waiting for her to convert. So he's like,
I don't know that you're worth the sacrifice that I made.
That's how it's coming across to me. Her worst nightmare,
the thing that she predicted is Sword of starting to
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play out.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
She warned him and said, hey, I don't want this
to be a thing. Yeahs like I promise it won't now.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yeah, And in the game from how he goes it
wasn't a hard decision like that is so brutal.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, and it all culminates in this yet decision that's
apparently very easy for him to go, we shouldn't live together.
We just shouldn't. And she kind of doesn't understand that
till they play the game and they later have a
conversation where his reasoning explanation is like, but I don't
want us to move in together, And then the conversation
around you converting just keeps carrying on for years and
we don't resolve it. I mean, that's a slap in
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the face to her. Really, she didn't see that coming.
But like he's clearly been festering on this, and I
guess we have the Game from Hell to thank for
why it all comes out.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Oh, everybody loses it in card.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Game with people who are in a bad space.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Can we talk a little, yeah, Sasha, And I was.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Going to say The Game from Hell is such a
critical point in the whole season, even the way it's
not as well, it's kind of like panning around you
couples and you just know in that happy montage bit
when they're all like, ha ha ha, I did this.
I can't wait for this to turn back. Yeah, doctor
Andy's like standing up reenacting some funny, hilarious scene where
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like fell over I don't know on some adventure sport.
The part that is really a moment of clarity for
me was when Sasha says, you don't know anything about
doctor Andy to Morgan, so you had to bring a
game because you've never asked him a question. That was
pretty cuding what you said. It's so brutal, But Sasha,
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you're so I loved Sasha's big meltdown. I thought it
was over Jew and he deserved to have that moment absolutely,
And yes, he maybe attacked Morgan in that moment, but
his brother has been hanging up on him. His wife esthera,
we love Essa, but she's gone through some shit and
it means she's kind of ignoring him and not properly
conversing with him. And then they're playing this game that
takes a turn to the Game from Hell, and suddenly
(26:30):
his wife saying that her ideal life is, you know,
one that he's not in h Morgan alone suddenly discovering
that her fiance has a secret twin she didn't know
about it. After so funny dragging Sasha all around town like, oh,
it's my relationship a out? Is it? Okay? How can
you help me? Like everything is about everyone else, it's
never about Sasha, and this game has exposed that for him,
and I think he deserved to yell at everybody and
(26:52):
point out the flaws. I kind of think that makes
him the catalyst for everything that follows that day.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Absolutely, and Esther is so focused on herself, which she
has a right to be. Exactly there is she's allowed
to do that. I did actually talk to Jackie Tone
about Esther's ark and how much she changed, and this
is what she had to say.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
And I think she's starting to get a little bit
of a wind in her sales of like wait a minute,
this could be fun. I could be fun. And so
she's really on just like a self exploration journey in
season two of like what does my.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Life look like?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
What would it look like if I was actually trying
to make these decisions instead of ending up with a
person I love but who I got with because we
got pregnant and then now we're sort of here fifteen
eighteen years later, and it's like, what decisions would I
have made differently? And I think this is the first
time she's ever asked herself that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
We've talked about her wanting to be fun, to have fun.
She says that a few times throughout the season. Oh
my god, we all want to be fun. We want
to be the fun one. And I know we just
said Sasha deserves to yell at everyone, but I also
see her success though she needs a moment. Yeah, I'm
kind of like Sasha kind of deserves to be in
hot water too, because he had her feelings. Yes, and
if I really enjoy Sasha as a character, but if
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I was married to Sasha, I will probably be already
out of there.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Same it's a complacency.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
And yeah, a lot of women I know would relate
to where Esta is in her life. It is you know,
she actually says, Disasha, I'm not your mother. Yeah, and
it becomes so common in that relationship. You've got a kid,
you are managing a household, you're doing the mental load.
I mean, we talk ignores him about mental load is
such a huge topic, but it's real, and so many
(28:28):
women in their sort of late thirties forties, they're running
a household, looking after children.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They have no time for themselves.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
That's why she talks about her ideal day being like
eating a steak alone.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I so relate to that. I know a lot of
women would.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah. And it seems to catch him off guard obviously,
but the main reason being, we already know, they already
told us. He's like, Essa's not talking to me. I
don't know what's going on with her. And that is
the theme that has kind of brought us to this
card game. Is just like miscommunication or no communication for
some of the couples, especially the scene that we saw
where Joanne comes home from her bad day where she's
had a fight with Morgan and they decide they're going
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to stop the podcast. Noah comes home from the temple,
decides he hates it and he's made a terrible decision,
and they walk in the door and they both go,
how's your day, and they go, oh, not fine, it
was great day. But they've both told their siblings how
they're feeling, but no one seems to be telling their
partners how they're feeling. And that's what this game exposes
and blows up. Yes, And it actually reminds me of
something a child psychologist said once when I was doing
a different podcast and they were talking about how you
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can let it all hang out with people you feel
safe with. And that's why you often hear stories around
kids who act like angels at daycare or school, and
then they get home and maybe consent you the experiences,
and then they just totally and you're like the teacher said,
they were an angel at school and they're a devil
at home. Why It's because they feel safe with you.
And you see that with these relationships. They're letting it
all hang out for their siblings, but they're not being
(29:49):
honest with their significant other, and it's you know, there's
real repercussions for that. Yeah, that's how this whole episode
of Crossroads kicks off, right Like Joanne's like, well, I
need a place to live, and then Noah's like, well,
I guess we'll find you one, won't we. But then
goes and has a whole conversation with his brother on
the basketball court, being like, no, she said, it's fine.
I said this, We're all good. Everything's fine, and Sasha's
(30:10):
you're a bit of an idiot if you think that's true.
But they go off and they have conversations with their siblings,
but not with each other. And then that is how
we end up with this massive blow up because he's
not been honest about the reason he doesn't want to
move in with her.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Sasha's actually so insightful.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
You know. The first season he was so much comic
relief and that was him. But again we're getting these
like really raw moments of him, and he really snaps.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, he's over it.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
He's sick of everybody.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I kind of love it. I love it too, And
I think his advice is wise, and I think he's
always got something good to say. Everyone else is not
really saying what they mean, and Sasha's calling them all out. Yeah,
And you see it sort of like this is the
culmination of Joanne and Noah just pretending nothing's wrong for
a really long time. And Sasha's been like ribbing at
Noah to make it work and like be honest, and
(30:56):
he hasn't been. And now we see it blow up
in this moment where Noah's like, I'll tell you later,
we'll have this discussion later. We don't need to have
it in front of everybody at the pub. But it's like, well,
you wouldn't have had to if you'd ever just been
honest with each other.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Do you know what's interesting to me?
Speaker 4 (31:10):
In season one, so much of the feedback on the
season was that it was such a great depiction of
relationships and that you know, these were mature relationships and
they were talking and we've kind of backslid a little bit,
Like what is that about this season that's shifted in
the way that they're handling relationships. Is that when you
get deeper into relationship, you there's.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
More to lose. Yeah, more to lose now. And it
was very surface level. I guess we just didn't realize
because we've learned so much about Noah this season that's
given many people to dick. But like we thought that
that was wow, look at him, Look how open he's being,
Look how honest he's being. And then it's like, maybe
it actually wasn't It was just surface level, like he's
on paper, good guy and he has his flaws like
we all do. But yeah, it's not good. It's concerning
(31:56):
and maybe there's just like a bigger undertone of anxiety
because we're having a lot of the same conversations we
had last season, but this time they're more stressful because
there's more to lose. Yeah, the stakes are higher. Season
one was about losing the fairy tale, and this is
about actually losing losing the person, your person and someone
who you've made a lot of sacrifice for that they've
both made, given up things, his job, all of that
(32:18):
sort of stuff. So yeah, I just think the stakes
are higher. Yeah, I agree, And it ends in this
really heartbreaking conversation at the end of episode nine between
Norah and Joanne, which I wasn't ready for. I have
to admit I was very upset by this.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
There's a lot going on now and again yep, this
episode is called Crossroads and everything blows up at the end.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, what was it about that conversation between Noah and
Joanne that made you feel all those things? Probably just
that they finally do acknowledge what they've pretended was final
along which is again is conversation of is she ready
and when will she ever be ready? To convert to Judaism.
They've said we tabled it. I know we didn't. Whoopsie
(32:57):
Daisy's Oh, it's still on the cards. I just need time.
And we're finally at the point again thanks to the
card game and thanks to Sasha of recognizing that nothing
will change unless they change it. And it was really
heartbreaking to see Ech and crying and like acknowledging the
big fear they've both had is like, don't we maybe
deserve better than this, which is two people scared to
(33:18):
really be in a relationship and take the next step
because we're just scared it's never going to work out.
Don't we deserve more than this? It's a really sad
place to end when we've got one episode left to go.
What would make you happy for the finale? There's one
episode left, We're at a pretty big cliffhanger. What do
you want to see the season finish on?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I want to see all these people happy, I honestly do.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
I want the ball to be happy, and for Noah
to get his head out of his ass sorry, and
Joanne to make a decision, Morgan to realize what she's
done wrong and dump that dude, and I want Esther
to spread her wings and fly, and Sasha to also
be really happy because I love him.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So I don't know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Care Yeah, I'm pretty aligned with you. I mean, I
know they said they don't want to explore the Morgan
and Sasha thing, but I still hold hope. I still
hold hope the chemistry, great chemistry, even if they're just
I don't know, I just like them. I'm not as
positive as Causenna. I don't want one specific person to
be happy, and that's doctor Andy. I want him to
get dumbs. Everyone else could be happy, valid, Okay, But
(34:21):
I want doctor Andy to get dumbs, and I want
him to be heartbroken, and I want him to suffer
okay for his unethical therapist behavior.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I did say I didn't like it.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I'd like his therapist's license to be revived. I'd like
his license to be revoked. I'd like him maybe jail.
I don't know. Yeah, I really hope Morgan wakes up
to herself. Me too, want to say that. Thanks so
much for tuning in to Watch Party. We'll be back
in your feed soon with a whole episode dedicated to
the finale. There's a lot to discuss, so if you
haven't watched it yet, go get caught up and get
(34:50):
ready to debreak with us. Make sure you're following the
watch Party feeds so you don't miss a moment. And
if you're loving the pod, leave us a rating or
review and tell your friends so they can come and
join the chaos. As well. Watch Party is produced by
Manetia Is Warren and Georgie Page, with sound production by
Scott Stronach and video production by Michael Keane. Bye Bye Tepan,
(35:11):
tep of Tepan,
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