November 4, 2025 • 42 mins
The season two finale of Nobody Wants This delivered pure, unadulterated drama - and we are here to unpack the fallout! All three central relationships reach their tipping point, leading to heartbreaking, scene-stealing confrontations.
Courtney, Ksenija, and Tina dissect the explosive final episode where every relationship implodes, exploring the complex character growth, the messy endings, and the frustrating choices that leave us desperate for Season 3.
In this must-listen finale deep-dive, you'll hear our takes on:
- The Sunk Cost Fallacy in Love: We define the concept explored by the show (and a famous Netflix comedian!) and ask the critical question: is it better to cut your losses, or waste the rest of your life?
- The Turning Points: What was the exact moment each character - Esther, Morgan, and Noah - realised their relationship was over? We track the "aha" moments that led to massive final decisions.
- Season 3 Predictions: We reveal what the show's creator told Ksenija about making the series "anticipatory" and lay out our wild, exciting, and essential demands for the next chapter of Sasha, Esther, Morgan, and Noah.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm Cassanna lu Kitch, host of Mama MEA's entertainment podcast,
The Spill, and I'm Tina Berk, Muma MEA's pop culture
and social editor.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And we've made it. We're at the finale.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We're diving deep one whole episode to unpack what went
down in the season finale of season two of Nobody
Wants This? Are you guys ready to talk about the finale?
There will be spoilers. This is your final warning. Okay, Milidis,
What a.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Phenomale, What a finale. We finish up with all three couples.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Breaking up, huge scenes happening, and it's all set in
the one location. But what I want to start with
is something that's explored throughout the whole of season two,
which is the sunk cost fallacy.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
This is so good, God yes.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So you guys are familiar with the sunk cost fallacy.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yes, I am going to have to explain it to
everyone obviously, Okay, if you aren't aware of what it is. Basically,
it's when someone chooses to do something because they have
invested unrecoverable resources into it. So think about maybe you're
halfway through a book, you're not really enjoying it, but
you're like, I've come this far. Yeah, but that can
go to much larger scales, such as staying in a
(01:49):
relationship because you've already sunk five months, five years, and
you think I've already come this far. Now we see
that across the three big relationships that this season's exploring. So, Tina,
what do you think about the sunk cost fallacy? Do
you think it's actually better to cut your losses and
move forward or do you think there's a merit in it?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean, it's quite a question.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And I mean in a book case, I guess in
the smallest of examples, I'll finish a book even if
I hate it just because I started it. I didn't
come this far just to come this far. Really, I
would abandon it. And like with a relationship, I guess
very very different. One of the things I think of
all of the time regarding this, which is essentially just
(02:32):
another way of talking about the sun cost fallacy, is
this comedian Daniel slaus He's got a Netflix special so
also Netflix Family if anyone wants to check it out.
It's called Jigsaw, and he has this whole special where
he talks about like relationships as like what he used
to think was that it was like putting together a puzzle.
And he was like, you're trying to put different parts
of your lives together, but you have different ideas of
what the end puzzle is supposed to be. And then
(02:53):
sometimes it's been five years and you realize suddenly you're
working towards a very different image.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
And the quote that he says is, you have a
very difficult question to ask yourself. One do I admit
that the last five years of my life has been
a waste?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Two? Do I waste the rest of my life?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Deep? Heavy?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
And I think it heavy for a comedian, it's a
bit heavy.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
His specials do do that.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
But I think about it all the time, maybe in
terms of like the combos you have with girlfriends about
the relationships therein where it's like we've been together seven years, and.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Like, yes, it's so important to think about that.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And I guess Inesther's case specifically more than the other
two this season, she has been with Sasha for so long,
and she's thinking of it in that way of like,
we've got a kid, we have a home, where married,
we've been together for fifteen years. Is it throwing it
all away? And will I be happy if I throw
it all away? That's a really big question to ask yourself.
But I guess they're looking at it differently. Sasha's looking
(03:44):
at it from the perspective of we've come this far,
we may as well keep it going, and s is
the opposite, going, well, we've come this far and I'm
not happy, so like, I guess it's time.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
To call it.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I think they've got very different thoughts on the sunk
cost fallacy, and I think for me it's.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh, I don't know. I would probably also be in
this position if I was with Sasha.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's a very female thing to do, and without being
too stereotypical. When we'd look at divorces, seventy percent of
divorces are initiated by women, and I can understand why
in a heterosexual relationship between a man and a woman,
women are more likely to initiate the divorce because women
are probably thinking about the relationship more. We are mentally
(04:29):
a number of steps ahead, and I think Esther is
in that position. For me, I would say that married
women who are watching this show, or women who have
children will probably most likely relate to Esther and the
way she's feeling. But I do think that she is
at this point in her life where she just needs
to make the decision.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
And it was when.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Joanne said to her, what's going on here? When she
cut her bans, that was like a switch flipped and
she said it's time, and she finally makes that decision.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, it's a very hard decision to make, arguably one
of the hardest decisions you would ever make if you
were in that position, right, like to give up fifteen
fifteen years not giving up? That's bad language from me,
so true and me, but like, you know, that's how
it's seen, right, So that's the question she's asking herself,
do I like, yeah, admit, because it's not a waste.
The Daniel Sloss thing is like quite a quotes. I'm
not saying you've wasted your life or your time being
(05:22):
with someone.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I'm also a firm believer in the idea of nothing
is a waste of time. I mean, not to learn
something from every situation that you're in. You know, this
isn't a wasted fifteen years for esther. This is a
beautiful time. It was a time in her life. It's
not a failed relationship.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
It's just time for the next step for her.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And yeah, I do hope they get back together, but
I do want to talk a little bit about what
do you think the turning point was for all these
couples when it comes to leaving their relationships. What was
there like aha moment.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It's all so different, right, because these are three very
different relationships and timelines. For Morgan, it's kind of like,
I guess, easier to pull the plug, but also harder
because she's.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Admitting to everyone what they've all said is true.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
The others, the relationships the issues that they're facing like
really serious, like long term things. For Morgan, it's like
everyone's like, you rushed into this and that was dumb,
and so she has to recognize either I agree with
everyone and I did something silly. Whoopsie Daisies I don't
want to marry this man, or she has to go, you.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Know what, I'm gonna marry him anyway. And I think
she's known all along.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I think I don't know that there was a light
bulb moment for her. I think possibly the whole wow
he has a pattern thing that we discussed last episode
of like he just dates his clients and he's weird
and awful, And that card game was a bit of
a moment for her, the card Game from Hell.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
But maybe for Morgan, she can't always knew. I think
so too.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
She definitely did.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I think she always knew.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
But then when she was actually at the engagement party
and looked around the room and went, oh god, and
she just I loved that delivery from her at the
engagement party, Like the first thing we see from her
is like, Hey, by the way, Sis, I don't want
to do this anymore. Yeah, amount get me out of here,
Like she was so sure suddenly, so like yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Just the engagement party.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I think so, just the reality of it all sinking
in and going well. I feel like she would have
looked around the room and gone, I barely.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Know these people.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Mmm, Like yeah, she's spoken to this man as her
therapist for two years, but she doesn't know his friends.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yep, this is where we get ol Morgan back.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I know, we get our Morgan back, we get our strong, powerful.
She's found I don't want to say she's found herself.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
That sounds so no. But she's regaining consciousness, she's got her.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Confidence back, and she this was the best relationship for
her to get out of.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh. I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
We're very happy about this one. I all got in
doctor Andy, see you later, doctor, And yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Really disliked that relationship, but I thought it was really
funny when she was talking to Joanne about it, and
Joanne's like, is this a trap?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yes, so sisterly to be like, I am willing to
talk shit about this man, however, you need to confirm
to me that you are not trapping me here and
I'm going to say bad things and they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Haunt me later.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I loved that, but also love that like immediately she goes, okay,
well he yelled at a waiter one time, or like
he said that someone stepped on my loafers. He texted
Mum something weird at night, and it's like, okay, we're
not going to address the therapy of it all. Yeah, no, does,
but I love that you've got fifty petty things ready
to go because she knows her sister so well.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
But y Sasha's response to Esther so Susha and Morgan talking. Yeah,
after Esther leaves, Oh, it was devastate.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I'm really sorry about Esther.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Yeah. I mean if she thinks that she can just
like go out there and see what lake's on the
other side without me and I'll just like wait and
take her back, She's absolutely right. Yeah, I mean, if
this is for a wife, they kind of ride with her.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
You know, he is the leading man now it's not
Norah anymore, but his space.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
When Esther pulls the pin, I was like, whoa, I
actually feel sad for him, even though before I was like,
get it together, mate, pickures. Actually yeah, And I think
that comes back to your whole thing about the fallacies.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Like he didn't see it that way. He said differently
to her.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
He was like, well, we've done this much, We're going
to keep doing it. And he says it to know
what He's like, Oh, like I'll just take the pressure off.
I'll give her space, Like it's fine, this is going
to be.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Fine and like, so he wasn't expecting it, So that was
really upsetting.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
When do you think esther knew, like you're saying, like
when you know, you know, when did she know she
was going to do it?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
The moment of her at dinner with Rebecca. Yeah, that
is when her brain is and going, oh, it's time.
It's sort of being peppered throughout the season, but I
would say that is There's a number of moments for her,
but that moment in particular, and then at the engagement
party she decides that it's finally time to be finished.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And you know, Sasha, the.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Fact that he says he's going to wait for her
is really lovely and you know, I definitely think that
he's just our new leading man.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
But let's talk about the Noah and Joanne.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yes, our central storyline.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, when do you think the moment was for Noah
and Joanne or when Noah reed?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Well was it because they got back together kind.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Of at the end, But let's rewind a little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So I got very upset about that.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I know, it was a bit of like Alash Definitely,
I was like, wait, a Starken, what what's going on?
Like everyone was breaking up and I was freaking out.
I'm like, wait, isn't this a room? Where's the rom in.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
This com Yeah? You know what I mean. So I
was concerned.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I was like, is this an unhappy ending for everyone?
But yeah, what was the moment for you, Casenya where
you saw Noah go wait, I need to make a
decision here.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
He's been trying to make that decision again the whole season.
He's been battling with himself and he has become a
little bit whiny to me. I'm sorry that sounds terrible,
but he has been a bit hard to cop this season.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, and I mean we're gonna talk about this in
a little bit anyway. But I think because of the
cyclical nature of the season, and we will get to that. Obviously,
we've seen a lot of these conversations before and then
this season was just like one long anxious walk towards
a breakup. Like the whole time, we're never addressing anything. Oh,
(10:48):
this annoying thing has come up again where we realize
we're incompatible. Let's table it, let's not discuss it. I
love you anyway, me too, And it just keeps going
all season long. So it was like this slow moment.
But I believe for me, it's like Joanne's had that
big revelation on the couch night before of going like,
it shouldn't be this hard. We should be able to
be ourselves and we should be able to be happy.
(11:08):
For Noah, I think he's sat with that. And then
he has this conversation with Sasha, and Sasha just like
triggers him in his brain.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
He says the twenty years down the line.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
He says, the thing shouldn't be this hard, and then
the dramatic music plays and there's like the slow moo
on his face and he walks away.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And then his brother is like, yeah, do you ever
think it shouldn't be this hard? She's like, and I
don't want her to wake up twenty years down the
line to resent me. And Sasha says this to Noah,
and then Noah kind of goes and verbatim just says
it to Joanne and he interrupts a conversation. So I
think for him, he is very much someone who's like,
this has happened in my.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Head, now I need to act on it. Right now.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
We're breaking up here. You go at your sister's engagement party.
Weird as hell, but I guess he couldn't just hold
it in anymore. It's been bubbling away for them. Yeah,
and I think that's it. It was just the final straw.
Something I wanted to ask you both about the breakups,
especially with the Esta Sasha and the Morgan Doctor Andy.
Do you think those breakups were earned on screen? Do
(12:01):
you think there was enough time of those relationships being explored.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I mean, it makes me sad, but I really love
this storyline for Esther and Sasha, and also, like I guess,
for Morgan.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think this was so important and.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
We'll explore more in season three. But I don't think
that with twenty one minute episodes for a lot of
these episodes and ten episodes in a season, and our
central storyline of Joanna and Noah needing so much time,
it's honestly still not getting enough either. This show either
needed forty minute episodes or just a longer run time.
A twenty one minute episode is a sitcom run time.
It is not the time to get into depth of
(12:33):
why a fifteen year marriage isn't working and why it's
breaking up. We saw her reasons, but like I really
am loving these characters.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I wanted more.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I wanted to see the inner workings of esther and
what's going on with her in a day and why
she feels this way.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
They gave us these.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Really obvious scenes where they went, she's mad because he
doesn't know how to dress himself, so her whole thing
is she feels like she mothers him. She's mad because
no one sees her as fun. Like they just told
us it instead of showing us, And I would have
liked to have.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Been shown more debt.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I want to move to death because I'm loving characters,
and you care about them, you want to see more.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I agree with you one hundred percent. I think with
the time that they had still good. They did a
really wonderful job of exploring such a complex relationship, dynamic
and situation. Yeah, they got the idea, it was there,
It just wasn't fleshed out enough for you.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
You wanted more.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I wanted.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Give me the more juice with some pepper comedy with.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Fun and light too as well. But yeah, like, if
we care about these people, are like, I want to
see them more. Yes, it's a lot of ground to
cover in twenty one minutes, so yes, the stress of
a Netflix series often comes in where they're worried about
being canceled, like and I guess all streaming services nowadays,
they've got to get every idea out there so that
they can get renewed.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's a hard thing, and you would think this is
a short thing.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
For renewal, but they're not always so I think they're
just like, here's everything, let us do another one. They're
leaving it open ended to finish here or potentially go
into a new season after the break. Things are going
to be heating up even more on the desk because
we have a bone to pick with the showrunners about
how things went down their season. Okay, so in this finale,
we see a lot of parallels that we saw in
(14:08):
the finale of season one. It's all set at a party,
it's all set in the same place, a lot of
drama happening. Did you see any other parallels, Cassena.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
When a show does an episode all in one location
on one day and it kind of plays out in
real time, I get really frustrated.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I love that interesting. What frustrates you?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I think I'm really impatient and I just wanted to move,
but I did. I did actually like this and I
like how it all takes place in this one place,
the same way that it all took place in a
butt mitzvah in the end of season one. I understand
why they've done that. It's a really nice little throwback.
They did it with the dinner party first episode.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
First episode. It's a nice thing. I just can sometimes
get a little impatient.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
You're like, I want to you want to see the
next I want to see that.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You know those disaster movies that all take place in
real time and everything happens, and it all happens overnight.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
It gives me anxiety of it.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Did you ever watch the show twenty four?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
No, it'skiing.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
That was frustrate although maybe a lots happens in that
so it's okay.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
But I get where you're coming from. I feel like
it's moving too slow. What do you have a similar feeling.
I really love it, Like, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I I really enjoyed all of I guess the mirroring
two like you said the bar Mitzvah, so like I
guess where we came from.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
At the end of season one with the bart Mitzvah
was like, all.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
The relationships are hanging in the balance, right, we had
Nohare and Joanne, what will happen with them? Like this
is the culmination of all of these conversations they're having
around like converting to Judaism, and like where the relationship
could go. The Rebecca of it all was very prevalent.
The relationship between Morgan and Joanne had been a bit tense,
and they were good again. Sasha and Esther were in
a weird place as a result of just I guess
(15:48):
Esther being quite harsh about the Bart Mitzvah, and she
came around quite a bit. So there were a lot
of parallels in to the fact that we're in this
kind of same place now at the end of season two,
but it's much more dramatic and like everyone's personal stakes
are like way, way, way higher.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
But that frustrated you, right, the fact that we're back
in the same place so bad it's the end of
season one.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It did feel like a whole season exploring the same
the same things, And I think that really shows in
this episode, because like, I like that it's similar and
that we're doing similar things, and I love that it's
all in one place.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I just watched nine episodes and we're having the same
conversation that you had last time, which does show and
I guess was the whole point that Erin Foster wanted
to get across this season is like season one ends
with like a romantic gesture and those are great in
rom comms, but like then what you're still viewing you
still have these problems and that's that's been this whole season.
So like loved and hated. I guess I know, yeah,
(16:42):
I felt similarly. I felt a bit frustrated.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I was.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I wanted it to go further, but I guess the
main thing that did change is Joanne's approach or jos
creation on whether or not she would convert.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
There's definitely been growth for all the characters.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Noah has definitely grown, maybe into something that we are
not as fond of as we were. Although Aeron Foster
does say she wanted to show more flaws.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
In Noah, this is important.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
It was important for her to take away a hot
rabbi trope and really dig a little bit deeper and
show some of his flaws. Yeah, they have definitely done
that with Noah as a character. The reason that they've
done this is because we want to season three right, Yeah,
they are setting it up.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, you got to have like your third actensure, which
I guess the season two will kind of turn out
to be.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Is that will they won't they? What's going to happen?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I agree with what you guys have said because Joanne,
for me, has grown quite a lot this season. She
had all of this anxiety about their relationship in season
one when she wouldn't look through his cabinets and she was.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Like, Oh, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Yeah,
and then this.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Time around, while she still has it, I do think
that they've gotten to this big fight and she's willing
to go. Favorite line is how old do you think
I am? Don't answer that. When he goes, will give
it six months, no pressure, She's like, I'm done having
this fight. Have this conversation with me. And she does
say that to him. She goes, He's, Oh, I don't
know how we get through this. She's like, have the conversation,
so what you need to say? And then when they
do have it, and she gets a bit tense and
(18:05):
a bit weird, he's like, go for a walk, cool off.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But I do think she's more willing to.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Come out and go, I am not sure, I love
you a lot, what are we doing? And I'm not happy?
And don't we both deserve to be happy? And she's
still shocked when he comes over and just randomly dumps
her at the party, she goes, wait are we breaking up?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
And he walks away.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
But I think she really advocated for herself a lot
more and that was good to see because we did
see the growth in her.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
None of these men like confrontation.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
These women are so much stronger and more powerful and
ready to drive relationships forward. All of the women in
this show are powerhouses.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well. It's interesting as well when Joe em says, wait,
we're breaking up here, because the whole season we've seen
him go, you can't just give up on things.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
And then it does flip.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That's such a good absolutely yeah, And so much of
this has just been this recycled, stupid conversation of like, no, no, no,
we'll be fine, we'll have the convo when we need to,
and now we need to and his response is I'm
gonna break up, I guess. And it's nice to see
him finally being honest, but you can imagine how frustrating
it would be if you were in this situation and
he's been saying, will work it out.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I love you anyway.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Last season, you tried to avoid this exact situation by
breaking up with me so I didn't have to make
this choice about my faith and being a rabbi and
being with someone who isn't of the same faith as me.
And I told you it was fine. Surprised, it's not fine,
and now we're breaking up. That's really shitty from him.
And I get where people have the ick, because I
have to ick a little bit. Yeah, I found their
relationship less interesting than the other ones this season.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
So much less interesting. But isn't that actually quite nice?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Isn't that quite nice to see in a rom com
scenario where we are so focused on two characters in
the first season, and often it centers around them, you know,
the main character energy. But it's really lovely to see
a more of an ensemble cast and dive deeper into
relationships in different stages.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
And explore that more.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
That to me is what made this season more refreshing
and not as samy as the previous season.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I understand your disappointment in the fact that we're kind
of back where we started.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, we have gone somewhere. We have gone somewhere. We've
taken journeys. We've taken journeys. We've gone, but it's with
other relationships.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I see Joanne and Noah are in the same place,
but our other relationship, I think our other characters have.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Grown, even though Noah and Joanne's relationship feels like it's
a bit in the same place. I agree with you, Cassanya.
The other storylines that they've explored, Yeah, absolutely, and they're
so well written. It doesn't always happen with a side
character in a short kind of sitcomy show. That's very
rom commy, right, you're always like character relief in rom comms,
the little side characters get a moment feels like we're
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really going somewhere special, which we can talk about later
for what we think will happen with season three. But
they're really well written, especially with Sasha. Last season we
saw him as comic relief. He was a bit of
you know, the clown on the side, and now he's
shown a lot of depth and he's going through all life.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
It's beautiful to see Timothy Simon's who plays Sasha It's
really nice to see him in a bit more of
a dramatic role.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
He's actually an excellent actor.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Something else I want to talk about is the scene
between Joanne and Esther when she's talking about feeling Jewish.
How did that sit with you? It felt a little
rush to me. You know.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I sat down with the cast and creators of Nobody
Wants This for this podcast, and Aaron Foster said to me,
the reason that she made Joanne's mother convert so quickly
is that there are different ways and paths to exploring Judaism.
And she said, Joanne's mother feels it straight away, but
Joanne needs more time.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Joanne is exploring it.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
And her reflection was there's no right way to finding Judaism,
and I wanted to show both of those sides. And
I thought that was a very interesting concept. And Esther
asking Joanne does she feel Jewish? Is part of that journey.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That's really interesting to hear from Erin what did you
see in that scene? I think, like you said, really
interesting that they've shown different avenues and like what people feel.
I guess for me, I can see what Joanne's whole
thing has been what I understood it to be anyway,
And what maybe a lot of people understood it to
be is that Joanne was waiting for a connection that
was like to God or to the religious faith and
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to like feeling that feeling. But then Essa's kind of
explained to her that no, there's like all of the
cultural elements and all the things that you're really enjoying
and all of the parts of like who you are
as a person and who you're becoming in the stuff
that you love.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
That's being Jewish. Because that's, like, I.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Guess, a different explanation to her than what she expected
to feel.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I think it felt a.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Bit simple, maybe for a TV show explanation, but I'm
also not in this position, right, you know, I can't relate,
and Aaron Foster has been through it. And if that
was the moment for her that made her go, Actually,
I thought I had to feel all these things and
have a spiritual life, like spiritual awakening, but actually I'm
having that with the relationships and the things that I'm
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doing and all of that, and I do feel Jewish.
Like I guess that was her moment, and like it's
nice to know that she felt like someone would guide
her to where she needed to.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Make assumptions here, but my view of it is that
Judaism and being Jewish quote unquote is so tied in
with religion and culture.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
They are intertwined.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
There is the religious part of that, and I know
many of my Jewish friends who aren't.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Particularly religious, but culturally very Jewish.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
They want to have you know, Shabbat, they want to
be around their families for Hunnakha, they want to you know,
light a manora, and that all is really culturally very
important to them, even if there isn't necessarily a connection
with God.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, explaining to her right like that, she thought she
had to feel a specific type of way to feel
like she could convert, and she kept waiting and waiting,
and then Essa's like, well, no, you're here. You've arrived
at the thing that you think you're meant to feel.
And I guess that's explained it for her. What did
you think? Yeah, I agree with you, Tina, And I mean,
I feel like we're all echoing the same sentiment. Where
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Joanne was taking it really seriously felt like which I
think of it's very important. Yeah, it's a big decision,
and Joanne was not taking it lightly, but having this
conversation with Esther allowed her to think about it in
a different way and connect, perhaps in the way that
you're describing some of your friend's connection to Judaism Cassenov,
the cultural element and the traditions and the rituals that
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they do, rather than this big spiritual awakening that I
think she was waiting for. Yeah, I kind of connected
with the part of her, same as I did with
Charlotte and Sex and the City, and I'm sure many
people do.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Where at first she was like, well, I'll just do
it. It means nothing to me, so why not.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
And then she went no, actually should mean something to me,
and she maybe just had an idea of what it
should mean. And then ESA's been like, no, actually, this
is what it should mean to you or can mean
to you, and she goes, oh great, I'm going to
convert then. So that's kind of where we've ended, even
though they've broken up. And I mean, I guess that's
the big difference between the two season finales because they
feel really similar. And I know I've said that it
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frustrates me that we're in a similar place, But I
think what frustrated.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Me was him not Joanne. Yes, he breaks up. This
is like a Noah problem.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Sorry, I'm sorry, but we are bashing him.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I love you deally know it.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
But this is my reasoning. He breaks up with a
sister's engagement party. Valid reasons understood. He goes away, he
plays a montage in his mind of what he thinks
is special and great about their love stories.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Same as fucking last time.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
And then he runs back and he goes where girl,
And at least this time we get a full proper
rom com montage. We're in the lifts, we're missing other
magic running running, people are running. All ways time they
were walking and they were sad, and this time they're running, and.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
It's at the lights. It's at the La Lights.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Lovely montage.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And that is also mirroring the final scene last season
with the bus. But we were starting and we were walking,
and now we're running and we're excited and we're missing
each other and nah, and so lovely montage.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
No qualms with the montage, my qualms.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
He comes back and he goes like, wake it out later,
I love you anyway, Everything's fine, it's not. You just
showed me a whole season that proved to me. Why
it's not fine, and you've come back and you've told
her just kidding, love, you fix it anyway, and she
is here to fix it because she's like, do you
know what, Actually, I'm ready to.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I can do it.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
And the only reason that he changed his mind is
because he went for a little walk and had to
think about their memories exactly. He had a mind memory
montage like Conrad from the Summer Return Pretty and he
was like, I've solved it. Love will conquer all. And famously,
you've just told me that love doesn't conquer all. So
Nomah is in the bin a little bit fair to
spine his running good for you. She is my winner
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in this scenario. Criticisms aside of where things ended up
at the end of season two, I think it's pretty
clear we'd still love the third season and stay tuned
because we've got some pretty wild ideas about where we
would like to see these characters go.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Despite all of our feelings and criticisms about this season,
I think it's pretty clear we'd still love a third
if possible. Cassenya actually spoke to the creator Aaron Foster,
and this is what she had to say about the
potential for another season.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
We're not we know how to make Netflix keep bringing
us exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
We wanted to make it.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Feel, you know, anticipatory of what comes next so that
we can keep having jobs. So, even though it's not confirmed,
I think it's pretty clear that we're probably going to
get one given the popularity of season one and the
anticipation around season two. And it's interesting that Aaron talks
about it being anticipatory because we are left with a
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lot of questions regarding these three couples.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Should we go through them one by one?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yes, let's start with Noah and Joanne. Tina, what do
you want to see between these two? We've been on
a journey. It's felt a little bit rinse and repeat, Yeah,
bit of whiplash at.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
The end there. What do you want next season?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I would like to see them just maybe getting back
to being a healthier couple who doesn't have the weight
of this thing hanging over them.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Right and conversion.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yes, so Joanne, we've seen her have a realization. She's
kind of communicated that to him in the one little
moment we saw where she said, like Auberd like I'm
going to do it. I want her obviously, to like
have this journey and to feel the thing she wants
to feel and to feel confident in her decision. But
I just want to see them have like maybe a
bit of a happier, healthier love and we can focus
on the others for maybe a bit of the drama
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because season one was so romantic and season two had
its moments, but there was so.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Much stress and anxiety. Like I just want them to
move in together.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
She goes through her like stuff. I'm sure Bana's going
to have a million i want that dynamic.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I want to see more of.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I want to see Beina hating her. I want to
see her doing all the things she needs to do
in Temple. I think it's like if they said a
year long course in one of the earlier.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
She'll do the six months.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
She's going to do this speedy one and have but like,
I want to see her go through all of that.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I think it's going to be really informative and interesting
and also just for them to be a bit happier
and karma. If it was to mirror the last two seasons,
do we see.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
A wedding or an engagement.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I would love to see a scene where Bina is
teaching Joanne how to make color in the kitchen, and
she's going don't do that.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Like screaming at her because being as such a queen.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, and you know she wouldn't suffer fools in the kitchen.
So seeing her around some more of these traditional Jewish
customs would be really really interesting and I think so funny.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
And I also want to see Noah like grow some balls.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I want him to stop being a simp.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah, Like grow up, man, Like, just figure out what
you want.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Stop beating around the bush, Stop being so nice to
everybody because you think you have to be nice.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
If you don't like your job, go get another one, yeah,
like just stuck it out. He needs a bit of
his own life.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Hey. Yeah, in the new season, we need him to
get a new job by some description. Don't care what
it is, just get employed, please. I don't want to
see an ounce of relationship insecurity, which is not realistic,
but I just I don't want to see it.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
We've come to this point. Great. Now we have our fun.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Now we have our like real life real romance settling
into learning what that looks like.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
There are so many places it could go though with
that process and so many funny moments and quirks and
great things that could happen from a healthy relationship of
someone who is going through this process. I agree it
can be interesting without being scary. I mean, Sasha and
Esther can give us ugama.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yeah, okay, let's get into Sasha and Esther because I
have some things I want to see. What do you
feel I want to see Esther go on a surf
trip with Rebecca and have a fling with the surf
instructor and then regret everything. No, I don't want to
regret everything, but I wanted to have a fling with
someone else and to see what that feels like.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
There is definitely something in that. Sasha, to me, is
really our leading man this season. He has so many
places to go. He clearly loves Esther. Sasha is infatuated
with Esther, so potentially this next season could be a
process of him allowing her to find herself a little bit,
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giving her that space and leaving his wings open to
welcome her back in, and you know, maybe we could
see a little bit more of that Sasha Morgan friendship
and relationship grow. Timothy did actually talk about that Sasha
Morgan relationship and I think it's great, So let's have
a little listen to that.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I think that there is something interesting in that. Yeah, Like,
it definitely occupies a weird space and a somewhat undefined
one for a lot of people. And I think it's
also just weird and undefined for them. But there's clearly
an attraction between the two people, and whether or not
that means that they are romantic or just friends, it's
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clear that they have similar ways of thinking about the world,
similar ways of thinking about life, and so clearly they
are attracted to spending time with one another.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Clearly they're attracted to spending time with each other, but
they're confused about the fact that they're connected to it.
But it's really complex, and yeah, as to thinks it's inappropriate,
but there is something there, but it's not sexual.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Ye, but it's Yeah, it's undeniable, but it's not necessarily sexual.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It's a very complex relationship between the two of them,
not somebody that we traditionally see in a rom com setting,
you know, in a rom com setting, this would be
the enemies to lovers trope that we so often see
in a rom com.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah, and I do like that they shut it down,
so we spoke about it before that. You were saying
how sad and beautiful the line was, but like Sasha
kind of saying, you know, if she thinks I'm gonna
sit around away for her, well she's correct, like I
will sit here and wait. And I think him saying
that to Morgan makes it very clear from Aaron Foster
and the team we are not exploring these two as
an avenue. But what I would love to see go
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on Like she's now single. We know she's will talk
about her in a minute, but he's now single as well.
I would like to see him grow up. I'd like
to see him become the man he has to be
to be with Esther like to take on board. And
I know I've said on the last episode I feel
so sorry for him that everyone's been ignoring him, and
he's like, guys, I just love you all and I want.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
To be paid attention to.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
But I think he clearly has things that he needs
to work on to be worthy of Esther, and I'd
like to see maybe more than help him with that,
I'd like to see them help each other as friends,
figure out who they are as single people and become
someone who is able to be a dependable partner.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
For Esther and maybe then they get back together.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
That's my drink.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
In long term marriages, men are often seen as you know,
settling and just getting too comfortable, and maybe this is
his wake up call. Maybe he just needs a little
kick up the tushy.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
To do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I don't want to stereotype men here, but you know
there's a reason. There's a reason stereotypes are stereotypes.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, I think it's a really good opportunity for them to,
as you were saying, Tina, have this growth step up.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
They're gonna if they're going to.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Do this properly with this breakup, I assume their living
arrangements will change. Will they do the nesting thing the
child stays in the house and they're swapping in and out.
Maybe that sees Sasha's staying at Noah and potentially Joeanne's.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Player could.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Maybe she's like Esther's staying with Rebecca that's a week
and then they're having their like single gal time and.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
She does she needs a pressident walking around in his box, says,
just eating cereal out of a box. Yes, like walks
in on him, masturbating in the bathroom or something like
be so funny.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Esther's having fun.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Maybe there's some kind of reconciliation towards the end, and
then Esther goes to his does he do ju jitsu?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
He sees her across the room.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, And I'm sure she'll have like she'll have a
single girl period or a friendship time with Rebecca where
she's really really having fun, and then she will have
her I guess the obvious reckoning you'd have with yourself
if you left a relationship of that long. Is this
right or is this wrong? And we don't know which
way she's going to lean. Maybe it'll be right, maybe
it'll be wrong that they're split up. But I think
we all secretly hope that she'll get to that point
and go I do miss him and I do love
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him at my core. And then maybe she comes back
and everything's not fixed this real life, but maybe he's
stepped up, or he's learned to be a better father,
or he's learned to be more present.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
But rom comes.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Even though we're talking about the of love in this
particular series, still we still.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Want to see a resolution.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
We are designed to see resolutions television. Nothing worse than
a TV show that ends on a cliffhanger and not
getting that resolution it makes me feel sick.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
And we want to see the romance. We want to
see a happy We want this, we want this for them.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Okay, but nobody wants this. I do.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Please let's talk more about Morgan. So she has ended
her relationship with doctor Andy. Where do we want to
see her go, Cassanya.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
You know what, I'd love to see her in a
relationship where she actually likes the guy and it isn't
a result of her trying to compete with her sister
or you know, fill a hole that's been left by
her sister. You know, this relationship with doctor Andy wasn't realistic.
It wasn't real and you know, I just want to
see her be able to have someone who can match
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her energy.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
And she always has her guard up. She's always being
a jokestar. Yeah, it's her defense. Yeah, it's important to
make jokes and never addressing your emotions. Hard relate to Moga,
but I agree. I think what she needs now is
she had that little moment, which we've discussed at the
very start of the season where the basketball friend kind
of poked that little hole in her armor and she
just put her defenses up and had a horrible.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Relationship for a whole season.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
We need to see her actually confront the things that
she's scared to confront about herself. And it can be funny,
and it can be fun I'm sure they'll make it amazing.
And she's an amazing actress. Yeah, just is fantastic, So
it'll be so fun to kind of see someone go
through that. But I think it would be a really
interesting dynamic for them to explore being a single woman
of a certain age that we also.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Doesn't have to get into a relationship.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
But you know, it'll be nice to see her address
the things about herself that she didn't want to address
and that she kind of threw aside and just dated
a therapist so that she didn't have to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I just got to deal with her now.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Unfortunately, it would be far too cliche if she was
suddenly happy in love with herself.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Can we find some wrong?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Can we just be a cliche for once and have
a rock may Maybe she has a bisexual moment. Oh,
I love that. I was going to say, maybe she
joins Rebecca and esther on their at least in some
kind of like single goals. Yeah, like their vibe is fun,
even if they pretend they hate each other. And honestly,
in season one when Rebecca kind of duped Morgan and
pretended like that was fun to.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Agree, Morgan and Beaner also need more scenes together.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yes, that was that will be fun. I wonder if
Morgan will just come along to all of the classes
so and then she's like outshining Joanne and bean Yes,
she's the favorite.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Maybe it's her time to shine.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Something we didn't see much of this season which could
be explored more next season is the podcast. Yeah, it
really took the back seat.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
How's that going?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Well, canceled it and now they're friends again and we
haven't seen again. We need you know what, Maybe it's
Morgan's career takes off.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yes, really, it was such a storytelling device for them.
It was a very clever way of them recapping season
one and it became this device of introducing the ex
golfriend and getting that red flag. So I think it'll
just continue being used as a storytelling device and diving
story forward. For me, it's not necessarily about that.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
That to me is not as interesting like.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
The pod yeah, but the pot isn't as interesting as
this one obviously.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah yeah right now, yeah, so true.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
But I like what you were saying Tina about Morgan's
career taking off. And maybe if she's in the single
goal Lira, if she is hanging out with Esther and
Rebecca or whoever, Yeah, maybe that's allowing the pod to
have more rich stories to unpack and then and perhaps
a hot romance like we just we know you can
be single and happy.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Sure, me too, but it would be nice if like
it was a I love it. Yes, we're allso fulfilled,
but you can be.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
And there's stories where I want to see it, and
there are morking Honestly, you are Morgan so much.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
There's times when you want that, right, there's times when
you want the how to be Single rom com and
you want to see it and that way, I want
Morgan to have a good time time.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, I want to see that. We've got enough. You know,
we have the real world, We have the real world
to do with.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Give us some fantasy. Please, let's do this to escape. Okay,
I'm excited for season three. Yeah, right, and give us
a call like Layton Mesters had one episode, do we
think she's coming back or is it like I was
just a quick fun one.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
My interpretation of it is that it was just a
quick little guest star. Yeah, and the same with Seth Rogen.
They were just a fun one. It was almost like
they were doing a favor. It's not that they were
doing a favor, but it's like, this.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Is fun, We're enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
We hang out at and Seth was.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Actually friends with one of the other show runners and
that is the reason that he did it.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
He was like, well, just do it for fun.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, Okay, No, it was more of a vibe, just
just to enjoy themselves rather than it being a long
term sait.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Final question before we wrap up, who could be a
fun guest star in season three? Going on like the
fan fic of it all?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Anyone?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I think you said someone from One Tree Hill should
join the cast. Well, I just think for the Gossip girl,
Gilmore girl, the oc of it all. Yeah, who would
be nice to get another per in there? Chad Michael
Murray is bugging me, but he is involved with Netflix heavily.
I would maybe say like one of the goals, like
a Hillary Burton, could she play somebody or maybe it's
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not even one Tree Hill.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I'd like Lively. What's she up to? What's she doing?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
I haven't heard from her lately.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
It's been quiet, really quiet.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I would want someone gen Z and Fun for some
random role like an I mean, is Iowa, Debrive and
gen Z?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Are we all millennials?
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I don't know, but like I would love someone like
I mean, she's probably not going to do a small
cameo role, but I would love someone like a Rachel
snot like, you know, like one of the girls.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Maybe I would actually love to see some more unknown talent.
I know that sounds really boring, but I haven't seen
Justine Lupey in that much before, and I've really enjoyed
seeing her in this role. I haven't seen Jackie Tone
in this and I love to me those two are
so strong.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
They clearly know how to find talent.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Were just unearthed some new talent. Maybe that's it. Who
would you want to see make a cameo?
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I think I want someone from the fanfic world. I
was going to say Chad Michael Murray just for fun.
He's still a diva. We love him a lot. He's
just got his bobb and he keeps doing those like
tacky Christmas movies, so like I've now filed him into
that part.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, but he can still act.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
He was funny in Freak Here Friday, So maybe we
bring maybe this is his comeback, This is.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
That he's come back. I'm fine.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Actually, well, writers, if you're listening, give us a call.
We've got some ideas and where you can take season three.
Thanks so much for tuning into Watch Party. We've got
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And we've made it. We're at the finale.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We're diving deep one whole episode to unpack what went
down in the season finale of season two of Nobody
Wants This? Are you guys ready to talk about the finale?
There will be spoilers. This is your final warning. Okay, Milidis,
What a.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Phenomale, What a finale. We finish up with all three couples.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Breaking up, huge scenes happening, and it's all set in
the one location. But what I want to start with
is something that's explored throughout the whole of season two,
which is the sunk cost fallacy.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
This is so good, God yes.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
So you guys are familiar with the sunk cost fallacy.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Yes, I am going to have to explain it to
everyone obviously, Okay, if you aren't aware of what it is. Basically,
it's when someone chooses to do something because they have
invested unrecoverable resources into it. So think about maybe you're
halfway through a book, you're not really enjoying it, but
you're like, I've come this far. Yeah, but that can
go to much larger scales, such as staying in a
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relationship because you've already sunk five months, five years, and
you think I've already come this far. Now we see
that across the three big relationships that this season's exploring. So, Tina,
what do you think about the sunk cost fallacy? Do
you think it's actually better to cut your losses and
move forward or do you think there's a merit in it?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean, it's quite a question.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And I mean in a book case, I guess in
the smallest of examples, I'll finish a book even if
I hate it just because I started it. I didn't
come this far just to come this far. Really, I
would abandon it. And like with a relationship, I guess
very very different. One of the things I think of
all of the time regarding this, which is essentially just
(02:32):
another way of talking about the sun cost fallacy, is
this comedian Daniel slaus He's got a Netflix special so
also Netflix Family if anyone wants to check it out.
It's called Jigsaw, and he has this whole special where
he talks about like relationships as like what he used
to think was that it was like putting together a puzzle.
And he was like, you're trying to put different parts
of your lives together, but you have different ideas of
what the end puzzle is supposed to be. And then
(02:53):
sometimes it's been five years and you realize suddenly you're
working towards a very different image.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
And the quote that he says is, you have a
very difficult question to ask yourself. One do I admit
that the last five years of my life has been
a waste?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Two? Do I waste the rest of my life?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Deep? Heavy?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
And I think it heavy for a comedian, it's a
bit heavy.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
His specials do do that.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
But I think about it all the time, maybe in
terms of like the combos you have with girlfriends about
the relationships therein where it's like we've been together seven years, and.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Like, yes, it's so important to think about that.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And I guess Inesther's case specifically more than the other
two this season, she has been with Sasha for so long,
and she's thinking of it in that way of like,
we've got a kid, we have a home, where married,
we've been together for fifteen years. Is it throwing it
all away? And will I be happy if I throw
it all away? That's a really big question to ask yourself.
But I guess they're looking at it differently. Sasha's looking
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at it from the perspective of we've come this far,
we may as well keep it going, and s is
the opposite, going, well, we've come this far and I'm
not happy, so like, I guess it's time.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
To call it.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I think they've got very different thoughts on the sunk
cost fallacy, and I think for me it's.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Oh, I don't know. I would probably also be in
this position if I was with Sasha.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
It's a very female thing to do, and without being
too stereotypical. When we'd look at divorces, seventy percent of
divorces are initiated by women, and I can understand why
in a heterosexual relationship between a man and a woman,
women are more likely to initiate the divorce because women
are probably thinking about the relationship more. We are mentally
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a number of steps ahead, and I think Esther is
in that position. For me, I would say that married
women who are watching this show, or women who have
children will probably most likely relate to Esther and the
way she's feeling. But I do think that she is
at this point in her life where she just needs
to make the decision.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
And it was when.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Joanne said to her, what's going on here? When she
cut her bans, that was like a switch flipped and
she said it's time, and she finally makes that decision.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, it's a very hard decision to make, arguably one
of the hardest decisions you would ever make if you
were in that position, right, like to give up fifteen
fifteen years not giving up? That's bad language from me,
so true and me, but like, you know, that's how
it's seen, right, So that's the question she's asking herself,
do I like, yeah, admit, because it's not a waste.
The Daniel Sloss thing is like quite a quotes. I'm
not saying you've wasted your life or your time being
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with someone.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I'm also a firm believer in the idea of nothing
is a waste of time. I mean, not to learn
something from every situation that you're in. You know, this
isn't a wasted fifteen years for esther. This is a
beautiful time. It was a time in her life. It's
not a failed relationship.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
It's just time for the next step for her.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And yeah, I do hope they get back together, but
I do want to talk a little bit about what
do you think the turning point was for all these
couples when it comes to leaving their relationships. What was
there like aha moment.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It's all so different, right, because these are three very
different relationships and timelines. For Morgan, it's kind of like,
I guess, easier to pull the plug, but also harder
because she's.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Admitting to everyone what they've all said is true.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
The others, the relationships the issues that they're facing like
really serious, like long term things. For Morgan, it's like
everyone's like, you rushed into this and that was dumb,
and so she has to recognize either I agree with
everyone and I did something silly. Whoopsie Daisies I don't
want to marry this man, or she has to go, you.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Know what, I'm gonna marry him anyway. And I think
she's known all along.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I think I don't know that there was a light
bulb moment for her. I think possibly the whole wow
he has a pattern thing that we discussed last episode
of like he just dates his clients and he's weird
and awful, And that card game was a bit of
a moment for her, the card Game from Hell.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
But maybe for Morgan, she can't always knew. I think
so too.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
She definitely did.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I think she always knew.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
But then when she was actually at the engagement party
and looked around the room and went, oh god, and
she just I loved that delivery from her at the
engagement party, Like the first thing we see from her
is like, Hey, by the way, Sis, I don't want
to do this anymore. Yeah, amount get me out of here,
Like she was so sure suddenly, so like yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Just the engagement party.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I think so, just the reality of it all sinking
in and going well. I feel like she would have
looked around the room and gone, I barely.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Know these people.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Mmm, Like yeah, she's spoken to this man as her
therapist for two years, but she doesn't know his friends.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yep, this is where we get ol Morgan back.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I know, we get our Morgan back, we get our strong, powerful.
She's found I don't want to say she's found herself.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
That sounds so no. But she's regaining consciousness, she's got her.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Confidence back, and she this was the best relationship for
her to get out of.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh. I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
We're very happy about this one. I all got in
doctor Andy, see you later, doctor, And yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Really disliked that relationship, but I thought it was really
funny when she was talking to Joanne about it, and
Joanne's like, is this a trap?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yes, so sisterly to be like, I am willing to
talk shit about this man, however, you need to confirm
to me that you are not trapping me here and
I'm going to say bad things and they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Haunt me later.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I loved that, but also love that like immediately she goes, okay,
well he yelled at a waiter one time, or like
he said that someone stepped on my loafers. He texted
Mum something weird at night, and it's like, okay, we're
not going to address the therapy of it all. Yeah, no, does,
but I love that you've got fifty petty things ready
to go because she knows her sister so well.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
But y Sasha's response to Esther so Susha and Morgan talking. Yeah,
after Esther leaves, Oh, it was devastate.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I'm really sorry about Esther.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Yeah. I mean if she thinks that she can just
like go out there and see what lake's on the
other side without me and I'll just like wait and
take her back, She's absolutely right. Yeah, I mean, if
this is for a wife, they kind of ride with her.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
You know, he is the leading man now it's not
Norah anymore, but his space.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
When Esther pulls the pin, I was like, whoa, I
actually feel sad for him, even though before I was like,
get it together, mate, pickures. Actually yeah, And I think
that comes back to your whole thing about the fallacies.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Like he didn't see it that way. He said differently
to her.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
He was like, well, we've done this much, We're going
to keep doing it. And he says it to know
what He's like, Oh, like I'll just take the pressure off.
I'll give her space, Like it's fine, this is going
to be.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Fine and like, so he wasn't expecting it, So that was
really upsetting.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
When do you think esther knew, like you're saying, like
when you know, you know, when did she know she
was going to do it?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
The moment of her at dinner with Rebecca. Yeah, that
is when her brain is and going, oh, it's time.
It's sort of being peppered throughout the season, but I
would say that is There's a number of moments for her,
but that moment in particular, and then at the engagement
party she decides that it's finally time to be finished.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And you know, Sasha, the.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Fact that he says he's going to wait for her
is really lovely and you know, I definitely think that
he's just our new leading man.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
But let's talk about the Noah and Joanne.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yes, our central storyline.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Yeah, when do you think the moment was for Noah
and Joanne or when Noah reed?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Well was it because they got back together kind.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Of at the end, But let's rewind a little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So I got very upset about that.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I know, it was a bit of like Alash Definitely,
I was like, wait, a Starken, what what's going on?
Like everyone was breaking up and I was freaking out.
I'm like, wait, isn't this a room? Where's the rom in.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
This com Yeah? You know what I mean. So I
was concerned.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I was like, is this an unhappy ending for everyone?
But yeah, what was the moment for you, Casenya where
you saw Noah go wait, I need to make a
decision here.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
He's been trying to make that decision again the whole season.
He's been battling with himself and he has become a
little bit whiny to me. I'm sorry that sounds terrible,
but he has been a bit hard to cop this season.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, and I mean we're gonna talk about this in
a little bit anyway. But I think because of the
cyclical nature of the season, and we will get to that. Obviously,
we've seen a lot of these conversations before and then
this season was just like one long anxious walk towards
a breakup. Like the whole time, we're never addressing anything. Oh,
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this annoying thing has come up again where we realize
we're incompatible. Let's table it, let's not discuss it. I
love you anyway, me too, And it just keeps going
all season long. So it was like this slow moment.
But I believe for me, it's like Joanne's had that
big revelation on the couch night before of going like,
it shouldn't be this hard. We should be able to
be ourselves and we should be able to be happy.
(11:08):
For Noah, I think he's sat with that. And then
he has this conversation with Sasha, and Sasha just like
triggers him in his brain.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
He says the twenty years down the line.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
He says, the thing shouldn't be this hard, and then
the dramatic music plays and there's like the slow moo
on his face and he walks away.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And then his brother is like, yeah, do you ever
think it shouldn't be this hard? She's like, and I
don't want her to wake up twenty years down the
line to resent me. And Sasha says this to Noah,
and then Noah kind of goes and verbatim just says
it to Joanne and he interrupts a conversation. So I
think for him, he is very much someone who's like,
this has happened in my.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Head, now I need to act on it. Right now.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
We're breaking up here. You go at your sister's engagement party.
Weird as hell, but I guess he couldn't just hold
it in anymore. It's been bubbling away for them. Yeah,
and I think that's it. It was just the final straw.
Something I wanted to ask you both about the breakups,
especially with the Esta Sasha and the Morgan Doctor Andy.
Do you think those breakups were earned on screen? Do
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you think there was enough time of those relationships being explored.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I mean, it makes me sad, but I really love
this storyline for Esther and Sasha, and also, like I guess,
for Morgan.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think this was so important and.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
We'll explore more in season three. But I don't think
that with twenty one minute episodes for a lot of
these episodes and ten episodes in a season, and our
central storyline of Joanna and Noah needing so much time,
it's honestly still not getting enough either. This show either
needed forty minute episodes or just a longer run time.
A twenty one minute episode is a sitcom run time.
It is not the time to get into depth of
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why a fifteen year marriage isn't working and why it's
breaking up. We saw her reasons, but like I really
am loving these characters.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I wanted more.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I wanted to see the inner workings of esther and
what's going on with her in a day and why
she feels this way.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
They gave us these.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Really obvious scenes where they went, she's mad because he
doesn't know how to dress himself, so her whole thing
is she feels like she mothers him. She's mad because
no one sees her as fun. Like they just told
us it instead of showing us, And I would have
liked to have.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Been shown more debt.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I want to move to death because I'm loving characters,
and you care about them, you want to see more.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I agree with you one hundred percent. I think with
the time that they had still good. They did a
really wonderful job of exploring such a complex relationship, dynamic
and situation. Yeah, they got the idea, it was there,
It just wasn't fleshed out enough for you.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
You wanted more.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I wanted.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Give me the more juice with some pepper comedy with.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Fun and light too as well. But yeah, like, if
we care about these people, are like, I want to
see them more. Yes, it's a lot of ground to
cover in twenty one minutes, so yes, the stress of
a Netflix series often comes in where they're worried about
being canceled, like and I guess all streaming services nowadays,
they've got to get every idea out there so that
they can get renewed.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
It's a hard thing, and you would think this is
a short thing.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
For renewal, but they're not always so I think they're
just like, here's everything, let us do another one. They're
leaving it open ended to finish here or potentially go
into a new season after the break. Things are going
to be heating up even more on the desk because
we have a bone to pick with the showrunners about
how things went down their season. Okay, so in this finale,
we see a lot of parallels that we saw in
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the finale of season one. It's all set at a party,
it's all set in the same place, a lot of
drama happening. Did you see any other parallels, Cassena.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
When a show does an episode all in one location
on one day and it kind of plays out in
real time, I get really frustrated.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I love that interesting. What frustrates you?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I think I'm really impatient and I just wanted to move,
but I did. I did actually like this and I
like how it all takes place in this one place,
the same way that it all took place in a
butt mitzvah in the end of season one. I understand
why they've done that. It's a really nice little throwback.
They did it with the dinner party first episode.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
First episode. It's a nice thing. I just can sometimes
get a little impatient.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
You're like, I want to you want to see the
next I want to see that.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You know those disaster movies that all take place in
real time and everything happens, and it all happens overnight.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
It gives me anxiety of it.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Did you ever watch the show twenty four?
Speaker 4 (15:04):
No, it'skiing.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
That was frustrate although maybe a lots happens in that
so it's okay.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
But I get where you're coming from. I feel like
it's moving too slow. What do you have a similar feeling.
I really love it, Like, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I I really enjoyed all of I guess the mirroring
two like you said the bar Mitzvah, so like I
guess where we came from.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
At the end of season one with the bart Mitzvah
was like, all.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
The relationships are hanging in the balance, right, we had
Nohare and Joanne, what will happen with them? Like this
is the culmination of all of these conversations they're having
around like converting to Judaism, and like where the relationship
could go. The Rebecca of it all was very prevalent.
The relationship between Morgan and Joanne had been a bit tense,
and they were good again. Sasha and Esther were in
a weird place as a result of just I guess
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Esther being quite harsh about the Bart Mitzvah, and she
came around quite a bit. So there were a lot
of parallels in to the fact that we're in this
kind of same place now at the end of season two,
but it's much more dramatic and like everyone's personal stakes
are like way, way, way higher.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
But that frustrated you, right, the fact that we're back
in the same place so bad it's the end of
season one.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It did feel like a whole season exploring the same
the same things, And I think that really shows in
this episode, because like, I like that it's similar and
that we're doing similar things, and I love that it's
all in one place.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I just watched nine episodes and we're having the same
conversation that you had last time, which does show and
I guess was the whole point that Erin Foster wanted
to get across this season is like season one ends
with like a romantic gesture and those are great in
rom comms, but like then what you're still viewing you
still have these problems and that's that's been this whole season.
So like loved and hated. I guess I know, yeah,
(16:42):
I felt similarly. I felt a bit frustrated.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I was.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I wanted it to go further, but I guess the
main thing that did change is Joanne's approach or jos
creation on whether or not she would convert.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
There's definitely been growth for all the characters.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Noah has definitely grown, maybe into something that we are
not as fond of as we were. Although Aeron Foster
does say she wanted to show more flaws.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
In Noah, this is important.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
It was important for her to take away a hot
rabbi trope and really dig a little bit deeper and
show some of his flaws. Yeah, they have definitely done
that with Noah as a character. The reason that they've
done this is because we want to season three right, Yeah,
they are setting it up.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, you got to have like your third actensure, which
I guess the season two will kind of turn out
to be.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Is that will they won't they? What's going to happen?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I agree with what you guys have said because Joanne,
for me, has grown quite a lot this season. She
had all of this anxiety about their relationship in season
one when she wouldn't look through his cabinets and she was.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Like, Oh, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Yeah,
and then this.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Time around, while she still has it, I do think
that they've gotten to this big fight and she's willing
to go. Favorite line is how old do you think
I am? Don't answer that. When he goes, will give
it six months, no pressure, She's like, I'm done having
this fight. Have this conversation with me. And she does
say that to him. She goes, He's, Oh, I don't
know how we get through this. She's like, have the conversation,
so what you need to say? And then when they
do have it, and she gets a bit tense and
(18:05):
a bit weird, he's like, go for a walk, cool off.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But I do think she's more willing to.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Come out and go, I am not sure, I love
you a lot, what are we doing? And I'm not happy?
And don't we both deserve to be happy? And she's
still shocked when he comes over and just randomly dumps
her at the party, she goes, wait are we breaking up?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
And he walks away.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
But I think she really advocated for herself a lot
more and that was good to see because we did
see the growth in her.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
None of these men like confrontation.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
These women are so much stronger and more powerful and
ready to drive relationships forward. All of the women in
this show are powerhouses.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well. It's interesting as well when Joe em says, wait,
we're breaking up here, because the whole season we've seen
him go, you can't just give up on things.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
And then it does flip.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That's such a good absolutely yeah, And so much of
this has just been this recycled, stupid conversation of like, no, no, no,
we'll be fine, we'll have the convo when we need to,
and now we need to and his response is I'm
gonna break up, I guess. And it's nice to see
him finally being honest, but you can imagine how frustrating
it would be if you were in this situation and
he's been saying, will work it out.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I love you anyway.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Last season, you tried to avoid this exact situation by
breaking up with me so I didn't have to make
this choice about my faith and being a rabbi and
being with someone who isn't of the same faith as me.
And I told you it was fine. Surprised, it's not fine,
and now we're breaking up. That's really shitty from him.
And I get where people have the ick, because I
have to ick a little bit. Yeah, I found their
relationship less interesting than the other ones this season.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
So much less interesting. But isn't that actually quite nice?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Isn't that quite nice to see in a rom com
scenario where we are so focused on two characters in
the first season, and often it centers around them, you know,
the main character energy. But it's really lovely to see
a more of an ensemble cast and dive deeper into
relationships in different stages.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
And explore that more.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
That to me is what made this season more refreshing
and not as samy as the previous season.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I understand your disappointment in the fact that we're kind
of back where we started.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, we have gone somewhere. We have gone somewhere. We've
taken journeys. We've taken journeys. We've gone, but it's with
other relationships.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I see Joanne and Noah are in the same place,
but our other relationship, I think our other characters have.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Grown, even though Noah and Joanne's relationship feels like it's
a bit in the same place. I agree with you, Cassanya.
The other storylines that they've explored, Yeah, absolutely, and they're
so well written. It doesn't always happen with a side
character in a short kind of sitcomy show. That's very
rom commy, right, you're always like character relief in rom comms,
the little side characters get a moment feels like we're
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really going somewhere special, which we can talk about later
for what we think will happen with season three. But
they're really well written, especially with Sasha. Last season we
saw him as comic relief. He was a bit of
you know, the clown on the side, and now he's
shown a lot of depth and he's going through all life.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
It's beautiful to see Timothy Simon's who plays Sasha It's
really nice to see him in a bit more of
a dramatic role.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
He's actually an excellent actor.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Something else I want to talk about is the scene
between Joanne and Esther when she's talking about feeling Jewish.
How did that sit with you? It felt a little
rush to me. You know.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I sat down with the cast and creators of Nobody
Wants This for this podcast, and Aaron Foster said to me,
the reason that she made Joanne's mother convert so quickly
is that there are different ways and paths to exploring Judaism.
And she said, Joanne's mother feels it straight away, but
Joanne needs more time.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Joanne is exploring it.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
And her reflection was there's no right way to finding Judaism,
and I wanted to show both of those sides. And
I thought that was a very interesting concept. And Esther
asking Joanne does she feel Jewish? Is part of that journey.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That's really interesting to hear from Erin what did you
see in that scene? I think, like you said, really
interesting that they've shown different avenues and like what people feel.
I guess for me, I can see what Joanne's whole
thing has been what I understood it to be anyway,
And what maybe a lot of people understood it to
be is that Joanne was waiting for a connection that
was like to God or to the religious faith and
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to like feeling that feeling. But then Essa's kind of
explained to her that no, there's like all of the
cultural elements and all the things that you're really enjoying
and all of the parts of like who you are
as a person and who you're becoming in the stuff
that you love.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
That's being Jewish. Because that's, like, I.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Guess, a different explanation to her than what she expected
to feel.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I think it felt a.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Bit simple, maybe for a TV show explanation, but I'm
also not in this position, right, you know, I can't relate,
and Aaron Foster has been through it. And if that
was the moment for her that made her go, Actually,
I thought I had to feel all these things and
have a spiritual life, like spiritual awakening, but actually I'm
having that with the relationships and the things that I'm
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doing and all of that, and I do feel Jewish.
Like I guess that was her moment, and like it's
nice to know that she felt like someone would guide
her to where she needed to.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Make assumptions here, but my view of it is that
Judaism and being Jewish quote unquote is so tied in
with religion and culture.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
They are intertwined.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
There is the religious part of that, and I know
many of my Jewish friends who aren't.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Particularly religious, but culturally very Jewish.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
They want to have you know, Shabbat, they want to
be around their families for Hunnakha, they want to you know,
light a manora, and that all is really culturally very
important to them, even if there isn't necessarily a connection
with God.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, explaining to her right like that, she thought she
had to feel a specific type of way to feel
like she could convert, and she kept waiting and waiting,
and then Essa's like, well, no, you're here. You've arrived
at the thing that you think you're meant to feel.
And I guess that's explained it for her. What did
you think? Yeah, I agree with you, Tina, And I mean,
I feel like we're all echoing the same sentiment. Where
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Joanne was taking it really seriously felt like which I
think of it's very important. Yeah, it's a big decision,
and Joanne was not taking it lightly, but having this
conversation with Esther allowed her to think about it in
a different way and connect, perhaps in the way that
you're describing some of your friend's connection to Judaism Cassenov,
the cultural element and the traditions and the rituals that
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they do, rather than this big spiritual awakening that I
think she was waiting for. Yeah, I kind of connected
with the part of her, same as I did with
Charlotte and Sex and the City, and I'm sure many
people do.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Where at first she was like, well, I'll just do
it. It means nothing to me, so why not.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
And then she went no, actually should mean something to me,
and she maybe just had an idea of what it
should mean. And then ESA's been like, no, actually, this
is what it should mean to you or can mean
to you, and she goes, oh great, I'm going to
convert then. So that's kind of where we've ended, even
though they've broken up. And I mean, I guess that's
the big difference between the two season finales because they
feel really similar. And I know I've said that it
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frustrates me that we're in a similar place, But I
think what frustrated.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Me was him not Joanne. Yes, he breaks up. This
is like a Noah problem.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Sorry, I'm sorry, but we are bashing him.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I love you deally know it.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
But this is my reasoning. He breaks up with a
sister's engagement party. Valid reasons understood. He goes away, he
plays a montage in his mind of what he thinks
is special and great about their love stories.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Same as fucking last time.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
And then he runs back and he goes where girl,
And at least this time we get a full proper
rom com montage. We're in the lifts, we're missing other
magic running running, people are running. All ways time they
were walking and they were sad, and this time they're running, and.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
It's at the lights. It's at the La Lights.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Lovely montage.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And that is also mirroring the final scene last season
with the bus. But we were starting and we were walking,
and now we're running and we're excited and we're missing
each other and nah, and so lovely montage.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
No qualms with the montage, my qualms.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
He comes back and he goes like, wake it out later,
I love you anyway, Everything's fine, it's not. You just
showed me a whole season that proved to me. Why
it's not fine, and you've come back and you've told
her just kidding, love, you fix it anyway, and she
is here to fix it because she's like, do you
know what, Actually, I'm ready to.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I can do it.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
And the only reason that he changed his mind is
because he went for a little walk and had to
think about their memories exactly. He had a mind memory
montage like Conrad from the Summer Return Pretty and he
was like, I've solved it. Love will conquer all. And famously,
you've just told me that love doesn't conquer all. So
Nomah is in the bin a little bit fair to
spine his running good for you. She is my winner
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in this scenario. Criticisms aside of where things ended up
at the end of season two, I think it's pretty
clear we'd still love the third season and stay tuned
because we've got some pretty wild ideas about where we
would like to see these characters go.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Despite all of our feelings and criticisms about this season,
I think it's pretty clear we'd still love a third
if possible. Cassenya actually spoke to the creator Aaron Foster,
and this is what she had to say about the
potential for another season.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
We're not we know how to make Netflix keep bringing
us exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
We wanted to make it.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Feel, you know, anticipatory of what comes next so that
we can keep having jobs. So, even though it's not confirmed,
I think it's pretty clear that we're probably going to
get one given the popularity of season one and the
anticipation around season two. And it's interesting that Aaron talks
about it being anticipatory because we are left with a
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lot of questions regarding these three couples.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Should we go through them one by one?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yes, let's start with Noah and Joanne. Tina, what do
you want to see between these two? We've been on
a journey. It's felt a little bit rinse and repeat, Yeah,
bit of whiplash at.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
The end there. What do you want next season?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I would like to see them just maybe getting back
to being a healthier couple who doesn't have the weight
of this thing hanging over them.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Right and conversion.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yes, so Joanne, we've seen her have a realization. She's
kind of communicated that to him in the one little
moment we saw where she said, like Auberd like I'm
going to do it. I want her obviously, to like
have this journey and to feel the thing she wants
to feel and to feel confident in her decision. But
I just want to see them have like maybe a
bit of a happier, healthier love and we can focus
on the others for maybe a bit of the drama
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because season one was so romantic and season two had
its moments, but there was so.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Much stress and anxiety. Like I just want them to
move in together.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
She goes through her like stuff. I'm sure Bana's going
to have a million i want that dynamic.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I want to see more of.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
I want to see Beina hating her. I want to
see her doing all the things she needs to do
in Temple. I think it's like if they said a
year long course in one of the earlier.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
She'll do the six months.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
She's going to do this speedy one and have but like,
I want to see her go through all of that.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I think it's going to be really informative and interesting
and also just for them to be a bit happier
and karma. If it was to mirror the last two seasons,
do we see.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
A wedding or an engagement.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I would love to see a scene where Bina is
teaching Joanne how to make color in the kitchen, and
she's going don't do that.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Like screaming at her because being as such a queen.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, and you know she wouldn't suffer fools in the kitchen.
So seeing her around some more of these traditional Jewish
customs would be really really interesting and I think so funny.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
And I also want to see Noah like grow some balls.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I want him to stop being a simp.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah, Like grow up, man, Like, just figure out what
you want.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Stop beating around the bush, Stop being so nice to
everybody because you think you have to be nice.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
If you don't like your job, go get another one, yeah,
like just stuck it out. He needs a bit of
his own life.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Hey. Yeah, in the new season, we need him to
get a new job by some description. Don't care what
it is, just get employed, please. I don't want to
see an ounce of relationship insecurity, which is not realistic,
but I just I don't want to see it.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
We've come to this point. Great. Now we have our fun.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Now we have our like real life real romance settling
into learning what that looks like.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
There are so many places it could go though with
that process and so many funny moments and quirks and
great things that could happen from a healthy relationship of
someone who is going through this process. I agree it
can be interesting without being scary. I mean, Sasha and
Esther can give us ugama.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yeah, okay, let's get into Sasha and Esther because I
have some things I want to see. What do you
feel I want to see Esther go on a surf
trip with Rebecca and have a fling with the surf
instructor and then regret everything. No, I don't want to
regret everything, but I wanted to have a fling with
someone else and to see what that feels like.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
There is definitely something in that. Sasha, to me, is
really our leading man this season. He has so many
places to go. He clearly loves Esther. Sasha is infatuated
with Esther, so potentially this next season could be a
process of him allowing her to find herself a little bit,
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giving her that space and leaving his wings open to
welcome her back in, and you know, maybe we could
see a little bit more of that Sasha Morgan friendship
and relationship grow. Timothy did actually talk about that Sasha
Morgan relationship and I think it's great, So let's have
a little listen to that.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I think that there is something interesting in that. Yeah, Like,
it definitely occupies a weird space and a somewhat undefined
one for a lot of people. And I think it's
also just weird and undefined for them. But there's clearly
an attraction between the two people, and whether or not
that means that they are romantic or just friends, it's
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clear that they have similar ways of thinking about the world,
similar ways of thinking about life, and so clearly they
are attracted to spending time with one another.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Clearly they're attracted to spending time with each other, but
they're confused about the fact that they're connected to it.
But it's really complex, and yeah, as to thinks it's inappropriate,
but there is something there, but it's not sexual.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Ye, but it's Yeah, it's undeniable, but it's not necessarily sexual.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
It's a very complex relationship between the two of them,
not somebody that we traditionally see in a rom com setting,
you know, in a rom com setting, this would be
the enemies to lovers trope that we so often see
in a rom com.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah, and I do like that they shut it down,
so we spoke about it before that. You were saying
how sad and beautiful the line was, but like Sasha
kind of saying, you know, if she thinks I'm gonna
sit around away for her, well she's correct, like I
will sit here and wait. And I think him saying
that to Morgan makes it very clear from Aaron Foster
and the team we are not exploring these two as
an avenue. But what I would love to see go
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on Like she's now single. We know she's will talk
about her in a minute, but he's now single as well.
I would like to see him grow up. I'd like
to see him become the man he has to be
to be with Esther like to take on board. And
I know I've said on the last episode I feel
so sorry for him that everyone's been ignoring him, and
he's like, guys, I just love you all and I want.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
To be paid attention to.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
But I think he clearly has things that he needs
to work on to be worthy of Esther, and I'd
like to see maybe more than help him with that,
I'd like to see them help each other as friends,
figure out who they are as single people and become
someone who is able to be a dependable partner.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
For Esther and maybe then they get back together.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
That's my drink.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
In long term marriages, men are often seen as you know,
settling and just getting too comfortable, and maybe this is
his wake up call. Maybe he just needs a little
kick up the tushy.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
To do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I don't want to stereotype men here, but you know
there's a reason. There's a reason stereotypes are stereotypes.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, I think it's a really good opportunity for them to,
as you were saying, Tina, have this growth step up.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
They're gonna if they're going to.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Do this properly with this breakup, I assume their living
arrangements will change. Will they do the nesting thing the
child stays in the house and they're swapping in and out.
Maybe that sees Sasha's staying at Noah and potentially Joeanne's.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Player could.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Maybe she's like Esther's staying with Rebecca that's a week
and then they're having their like single gal time and.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
She does she needs a pressident walking around in his box, says,
just eating cereal out of a box. Yes, like walks
in on him, masturbating in the bathroom or something like
be so funny.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Esther's having fun.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Maybe there's some kind of reconciliation towards the end, and
then Esther goes to his does he do ju jitsu?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
He sees her across the room.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, And I'm sure she'll have like she'll have a
single girl period or a friendship time with Rebecca where
she's really really having fun, and then she will have
her I guess the obvious reckoning you'd have with yourself
if you left a relationship of that long. Is this
right or is this wrong? And we don't know which
way she's going to lean. Maybe it'll be right, maybe
it'll be wrong that they're split up. But I think
we all secretly hope that she'll get to that point
and go I do miss him and I do love
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him at my core. And then maybe she comes back
and everything's not fixed this real life, but maybe he's
stepped up, or he's learned to be a better father,
or he's learned to be more present.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
But rom comes.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Even though we're talking about the of love in this
particular series, still we still.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Want to see a resolution.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
We are designed to see resolutions television. Nothing worse than
a TV show that ends on a cliffhanger and not
getting that resolution it makes me feel sick.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
And we want to see the romance. We want to
see a happy We want this, we want this for them.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Okay, but nobody wants this. I do.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Please let's talk more about Morgan. So she has ended
her relationship with doctor Andy. Where do we want to
see her go, Cassanya.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
You know what, I'd love to see her in a
relationship where she actually likes the guy and it isn't
a result of her trying to compete with her sister
or you know, fill a hole that's been left by
her sister. You know, this relationship with doctor Andy wasn't realistic.
It wasn't real and you know, I just want to
see her be able to have someone who can match
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her energy.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
And she always has her guard up. She's always being
a jokestar. Yeah, it's her defense. Yeah, it's important to
make jokes and never addressing your emotions. Hard relate to Moga,
but I agree. I think what she needs now is
she had that little moment, which we've discussed at the
very start of the season where the basketball friend kind
of poked that little hole in her armor and she
just put her defenses up and had a horrible.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Relationship for a whole season.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
We need to see her actually confront the things that
she's scared to confront about herself. And it can be funny,
and it can be fun I'm sure they'll make it amazing.
And she's an amazing actress. Yeah, just is fantastic, So
it'll be so fun to kind of see someone go
through that. But I think it would be a really
interesting dynamic for them to explore being a single woman
of a certain age that we also.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Doesn't have to get into a relationship.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
But you know, it'll be nice to see her address
the things about herself that she didn't want to address
and that she kind of threw aside and just dated
a therapist so that she didn't have to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I just got to deal with her now.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Unfortunately, it would be far too cliche if she was
suddenly happy in love with herself.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Can we find some wrong?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Can we just be a cliche for once and have
a rock may Maybe she has a bisexual moment. Oh,
I love that. I was going to say, maybe she
joins Rebecca and esther on their at least in some
kind of like single goals. Yeah, like their vibe is fun,
even if they pretend they hate each other. And honestly,
in season one when Rebecca kind of duped Morgan and
pretended like that was fun to.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Agree, Morgan and Beaner also need more scenes together.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Yes, that was that will be fun. I wonder if
Morgan will just come along to all of the classes
so and then she's like outshining Joanne and bean Yes,
she's the favorite.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Maybe it's her time to shine.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Something we didn't see much of this season which could
be explored more next season is the podcast. Yeah, it
really took the back seat.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
How's that going?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Well, canceled it and now they're friends again and we
haven't seen again. We need you know what, Maybe it's
Morgan's career takes off.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yes, really, it was such a storytelling device for them.
It was a very clever way of them recapping season
one and it became this device of introducing the ex
golfriend and getting that red flag. So I think it'll
just continue being used as a storytelling device and diving
story forward. For me, it's not necessarily about that.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
That to me is not as interesting like.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
The pod yeah, but the pot isn't as interesting as
this one obviously.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah yeah right now, yeah, so true.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
But I like what you were saying Tina about Morgan's
career taking off. And maybe if she's in the single
goal Lira, if she is hanging out with Esther and
Rebecca or whoever, Yeah, maybe that's allowing the pod to
have more rich stories to unpack and then and perhaps
a hot romance like we just we know you can
be single and happy.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Sure, me too, but it would be nice if like
it was a I love it. Yes, we're allso fulfilled,
but you can be.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
And there's stories where I want to see it, and
there are morking Honestly, you are Morgan so much.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
There's times when you want that, right, there's times when
you want the how to be Single rom com and
you want to see it and that way, I want
Morgan to have a good time time.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, I want to see that. We've got enough. You know,
we have the real world, We have the real world
to do with.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Give us some fantasy. Please, let's do this to escape. Okay,
I'm excited for season three. Yeah, right, and give us
a call like Layton Mesters had one episode, do we
think she's coming back or is it like I was
just a quick fun one.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
My interpretation of it is that it was just a
quick little guest star. Yeah, and the same with Seth Rogen.
They were just a fun one. It was almost like
they were doing a favor. It's not that they were
doing a favor, but it's like, this.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Is fun, We're enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
We hang out at and Seth was.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Actually friends with one of the other show runners and
that is the reason that he did it.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
He was like, well, just do it for fun.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, Okay, No, it was more of a vibe, just
just to enjoy themselves rather than it being a long
term sait.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Final question before we wrap up, who could be a
fun guest star in season three? Going on like the
fan fic of it all?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Anyone?
Speaker 3 (40:01):
I think you said someone from One Tree Hill should
join the cast. Well, I just think for the Gossip girl,
Gilmore girl, the oc of it all. Yeah, who would
be nice to get another per in there? Chad Michael
Murray is bugging me, but he is involved with Netflix heavily.
I would maybe say like one of the goals, like
a Hillary Burton, could she play somebody or maybe it's
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not even one Tree Hill.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I'd like Lively. What's she up to? What's she doing?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
I haven't heard from her lately.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
It's been quiet, really quiet.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I would want someone gen Z and Fun for some
random role like an I mean, is Iowa, Debrive and
gen Z?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Are we all millennials?
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I don't know, but like I would love someone like
I mean, she's probably not going to do a small
cameo role, but I would love someone like a Rachel
snot like, you know, like one of the girls.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Maybe I would actually love to see some more unknown talent.
I know that sounds really boring, but I haven't seen
Justine Lupey in that much before, and I've really enjoyed
seeing her in this role. I haven't seen Jackie Tone
in this and I love to me those two are
so strong.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
They clearly know how to find talent.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Were just unearthed some new talent. Maybe that's it. Who
would you want to see make a cameo?
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I think I want someone from the fanfic world. I
was going to say Chad Michael Murray just for fun.
He's still a diva. We love him a lot. He's
just got his bobb and he keeps doing those like
tacky Christmas movies, so like I've now filed him into
that part.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, but he can still act.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
He was funny in Freak Here Friday, So maybe we
bring maybe this is his comeback, This is.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
That he's come back. I'm fine.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Actually, well, writers, if you're listening, give us a call.
We've got some ideas and where you can take season three.
Thanks so much for tuning into Watch Party. We've got
one more episode coming away. It's a full season wrap up.
We're going to be looking back on the whole season
of Nobody Wants This and how it's been received. We're
going to look at what the internet's been saying, the
memorable moments, the critiques, the rave reviews, the whole lot.
(41:52):
So make sure you're following the watch Party feed, but
you don't want to miss it. And if you're loving
the pod, leave us a rating and review and tell
your friends so they can join the chaos too. Watch
Party is produced by Manisha Is Warren and Georgie Page,
with sound production by Scott Stronik and video production by
Michael King.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Bye Bye Sea
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