THE SUMMER I TURNED PRETTY: The Show That's Dominating 2025

Welcome to Watch Party: your all-access pass to the TV everyone’s obsessing over.

Why is The Summer I Turned Pretty the teen romance no one can stop talking about? In our first deep dive into the series we unpack the show’s unstoppable hype, hidden Easter eggs and the wildest fan theories about how it could all end.

You’ll learn:

• the secret references and callbacks you probably missed

• the Taylor Swift of it all - how her music and fandom supercharged the show’s success

• the shocking fan predictions about the finale that might just come true

• Plus we tackle what makes this coming-of-age story so addictive — and why audiences can’t stop watching. 

This episode dives deep into the hit Prime Video series based on Jenny Han’s bestselling novels.

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spills Watch Party, where
we unpack the biggest shows and movies that everyone is
talking about. This is our brand new podcast, part of
the Spill Family, where we don't just watch TV and movies.
We're going to pull them apart. We're going to dissect them.
We're going to bring you all the opinions, all our
juicy theories, and all the behind the scenes gossip that

(00:48):
you know you want from your favorite shows. I'm Claire Murphy.
I read the news for our daily podcast, The Quickie.
I also co host our women's health podcast Well and
I never really get to have my opinion about anything,
So I'm very excited to be here today to talk
about this with you because I am at heart a
romance girly. Anyone who knows me knows that I read

(01:09):
romance to see and that does extend into watching rom
coms and love triangle tropes, which we are about to discuss.
So today we are talking about a show that I've
been told is actually very weird for someone of my
age to be into. But here we are. It is
the teen love triangle that is the Summer I Turned Pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
First loves are important, that they're not as important as last.
I don't want to look at anything else now that.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
I saw you.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Have you ever been in love once?

Speaker 5 (01:43):
I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Think of anything else now that I got you.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
What was hall?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I loved him in a way that you can only
really do the first time around. But that's the past, Jeremiah,
here's my future. This is the way it's supposed to be.
He's the one.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
It is obviously a book series first, and it's been
turned into a TV series written by Jenny Hahn, who
is also obviously working on the show itself. It has
taken over our social media feeds. It has taken over
our group chats, so that is why we are talking
about it today. But I'm not going to do this
by myself, because that would be weird. I have brought
in a couple of the Summer I Turn Pretty super fans,

(02:28):
starting with Manisha is Warren.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
Hello, Hello, I'm Nisha. I'm the executive producer of the Spill.
But more importantly, for today one of the summer I
turned Pretty's biggest fans. This show has really taken over
my life for the last three months. Every Wednesday night
I'm there five o'clock or as soon as I can
get there, and then every Thursday morning is spent in
about twelve group chats dissecting everything that happened the night before.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
So it's a very big part of my life and
I'm not sure what.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I'm going to do when it ends Amazing because my
girlfriends are not watching it. Oh so I have no
group chats. Oh well, this is why US is my
group chat. Right now, I'm about to unleash watch Out
and we're also of course joined by Tina Burke.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Hello, I'm Tina. I am Mumma MIA's pop culture and
social editor, and like Claire, I am also a rom
com romanticy, romance, everything gurly pop and I love Taylor Swift.
So when the summer return Pretty Taylor's First came out,
I was like, I have to get on board with
this and very quickly fell in love not only with
the teens, but for me also this time around the mums.
It was the mum friendships that got me. I just

(03:28):
want to have a one with those ladies, and that's
how I know time is passing and I'm growing up.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I mean, it's going to be tough with Susannah, but
it will Lah. We'll talk about that. So we are
actually at the pointy end of the third and final season.
In fact, this week's episode was the penultimate one, although
there is discussion about whether it actually is to be
discussed and if you are not across it, it's basically

(03:51):
the central character is Belly Conklin. She Belly short for Isabelle.
Why she's called Billy, no one ever truly explains, but
there you go. She's a teenage girl who spends every
summer down at Cousin's Beach, which is her mum's family
friend's property, and her mum's family friend has two sons,
two brothers who eventually fight for her affections. This season,

(04:14):
things are getting wild between Billy and her boys and
several other characters. Although I'm so sorry Taylor's mum's beauty salon.
None of us care about, not one person. What happened
to your business? I'm so sorry. So let's talk about
how popular this show is Girls, because it's obviously got

(04:37):
a lot of people talking. A lot of people have
theories and we are going to be discussing those today
as well. So a couple of theories. First, why are
we watching it? And why is it crossing generations? I
have two theories which I'm going to start off with.
So the first one is that younger gen X and
older millennials are remembering how shows made them feel when
they were younger. So I'm talking things like Beverly Hills

(04:58):
nine O two, one OH, the OC and then other
movies too, like Twilight, which obviously has a very big influence,
huge huge fans.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Right here.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
On the summer, I turned pretty so obviously with like
the team Jeremiah versus Team Conrad theory, which we'll look into,
and that has really been missing from a lot of
shows in recent years because it really went out of
fashion for a while. The second theory from me is
the collective experience theory. Now, when I was in high
school and I about you guys, but we were all

(05:29):
watching the same TV. We're all watching the same movies,
we're all listening to the same music. Now because we
can all stream whatever the hell we want, whenever the
hell we want, there's so much content that we're not
having those collective experiences anymore, but when we hit on one,
and there have been some, let's be honest, like Game
of Thrones was huge squid game, Like, there's lots of
shows that have given us that collective experience, but not

(05:51):
with romance, and especially not with teen romance. So that
is why I think we're all obsessed with the summer
term pretty. Tina, what is your theory?

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I agree, I think I mean to zoom it out
for a second. Beatle Mania. Teens have always been at
the forefront of like pop culture, teen girls specifically what
a teen girl's loving. It has always been at the
fourth of pop culture, and I think with something like
the Summer I Turn Pretty, it just speaks to the
lack of teen romance content. There was that era where
we had the CW producing all of this stuff, right,

(06:20):
it was like the OC, Gossip Girl, Gilmore Girls, One
Tree Hill. There was no lack of content. You could
switch it on any night and you'd have something to
watch if you were a teenager looking for romance and
looking for love triangles, and we don't really have that anymore.
Netflix have had some hits like never Have I Ever
and Ginny and Georgia, which speak to that sort of
love triangle small town drama brings in the family relationships.

(06:41):
But without those weekly drops, the discourse dives off really fast. Yeah,
like people watch it, they do all of the stuff,
the edits, the podcast, everyone's talking about it, and then
a week later it's gone. I think bringing back the
more traditional weekly drops means that, like it's gotten that
water cooler treatment. Everyone's talking about it, and I want
to see what the young girls on TikToker editing, like
which taylors with songs they're doing this week to edit

(07:03):
Conrad and Jeremiah, what people's opinions are, and I think
people don't want to miss out. I have so many
adult female colleagues in this office coming to me going
can I binge watch the Summer I turn pretty in
two weeks before the finale, just like part of it.
They just want to be a part of it. And
I think you want to be part of that discussion.
But we haven't had that with a teen romance in
such a long time.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I think you're the first person who has really sold
me the purest theory. Laura Brodnick, who was hosted Bill
talks about this all the time, that you have to
watch TV shows week after week rather than binge it
all in one session, which we want to do these days.
And I was always like, if it comes out all
at once, why shouldn't I just watch it all at once?
But that's the reason, because it gives us that experience

(07:42):
to have together and look forward to the next week.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
And I'm such a binge watcher. Like the first season
came out, I binge watched that absolutely, and I was
really resistant to the idea of a weekly drop, but
it does give you that community and that fun and
it's just like something exciting to talk about. Like there
are male football teams in the US and in Australia
like the Brisbane Broncos doing Team Conrad or Team Jeremiah
questions on TikTok. Yeah, people, you wouldn't expect her into this,

(08:05):
and I think that you get fomo. You don't want
to miss out, like you want to be a part
of this discussion. So I think drops maybe this sold
me too.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
And husbands and boyfriends, we know you've been watching while
we've been watching. You don't have to be sad about it.
You don't have to resist we know you like it.
It's fine, mon, what do you think we're all obsessed?

Speaker 6 (08:22):
Well?

Speaker 5 (08:23):
I do agree about the weekly drops and the community aspect,
people watching it at pubs. You see these screenings happening
in New York in these huge parts.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
There's a pub here in Sydney that is like booked solid.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Oh there's more than one part forever, but.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
There's one like literally down the road here that you
just cannot get into on Wednesday night.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
It's quite a beautiful thing.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
It's like, I suppose what others get from watching sport,
I now get from the summer. But I did a
bit of a deep dive into the reasons why, because
I wanted to know psychologically, what is it about this
show that seems quite basic if you look at the
plot that's reeling us in. And I was thrilled to
find out that academics are spending their time weighing in
on this.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Hello.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
I found a.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Couple quotes from a psychologist, a therapist who specializes in
relationships and attachment, and she was talking about how the
way that it's written, it really blends nostalgia in this
way where it taps into your earliest feelings of love,
and it feels more like a memory for some people
than it does a story.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
So if you're young and watching it, this is your
potential life. And if you're older and watching it, this
is like a trip.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
Down memory lane exactly. It's that phase of life that
everyone misses. We get those butterflies. And I also read
this other comment from a sociologist about the emotional comfort
food that this is.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Providing for us.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
It's a bit dark out there at the moment, and
sometimes you just want to go to Cousin's beach and
have some brothers fight over you.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
And be in a rich house and like wear a
nice sweater vest I don't know, like just the knitwear
in the Christmas episode alone, it sold me. It's so comforting.
It's all we Need's well stuff out.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
That and the amount of chocolate that Billy consumes over
every season, like she's a girl after our own hut.
She is coming up. We are going to be discussing
some of the most unhinged internet theories about the finale
of the summer. I turn pretty that's coming up, Okay,
So can we get down to the fact that these

(10:11):
are based on books and I need to establish have
either of you read them.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
I have not read the book. I feel as though
I have from the TikTok girlies telling me about what's
to come and what's.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Not matching up. But I didn't read the books.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
And I actually find that most people I speak to
watching this show in general haven't read the books.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I haven't either, and when it first came out, a
few of my friends had, and I just I felt
like I couldn't read a teen romance book, but somehow
a teen romance show I was okay with.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
It's like a different it was like a different thing.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
I felt like if I read the books, obviously I
was going to be in her perspective, in her mind,
whereas this, like you said, watching the show, I feel
like she's my little sister. Yeah, Like I'm like, oh
this girl, let's see what she does next.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I know, right. But also to I have never been
one to be able to read first, watch second, really
because I spend the whole time going that's not how
that was supposed to go, that's not what the storyline
was meant to be. So I'm so critical of it.
Whereas I think if I watch first, read second, I
can go into it just completely clean slate and be
able to enjoy that experience and then I can read

(11:09):
later and go, oh, that's she changed from the book
to the TV show if you know what I mean. Yes,
So let's talk about Jenny Harhen. Then she is the author.
She also is involved in creating the TV show The
Summer Return. Pretty is this woman the Taylor Swift of
TV with the amount of Easter eggs that I am
seeing dropped all over the shop. So some of the

(11:29):
things I have seen In one of the Steel Shop
posters for this series, there is Conrad and Jeremiah in suits,
Billy's standing between them, wearing her wedding dress and she
has got her hands like this. What is this infinity?
It's an infinity symbol. Who is the infinity symbol associated
with Conrad? Conrad, who of course gave her the Infinity

(11:54):
symbol necklace. There's also a lot of HARKing back to
the movie Sabrina. So one of the other Steel Shop
posters is like an actual Steel Chop poster from the
movie Sabrina. And there's lots more to talk about. But
what other Easter eggs have you guys seen? So one
that I really like is the Conrad car theory.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
So talk to that Conrad.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
Carrot theory is essentially, when they're looking through photos for
Susanna's memorial this season, his mother, they come across this
photo of young Conrad and he has a plate with
some carrots in front of him, and he also has
carrot sticking out of his ears.

Speaker 7 (12:26):
I don't know if you recall this, very very Niche
still don't recall.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
That steel frame.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
No, And so essentially they're looking through they see this
photo and Laurel goes to belly. Do you remember when
you were a kid and Conrad would tell you that
if you ate all your carrots, you would get superpowers.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
And you'd get X ray vision.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
And then earlier that season, she had been talking to
Taylor about her wedding. They're looking through the wedding scrap
book of things that as a child she had come
up with that she wants in her wedding, and there's
carrot cake.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
This carrot cake in the scrapbook.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
A callback to her love for Conrad and a clear
sign that she shouldn't be marrying his brother.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Some may say, of course, clearly, very clearly, a beautiful
carrot easter egg.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I haven't seen that one. I love that, Tina, what
have you seen? Look, mine's from the most recent episode,
my favorite. So we might be jumping on a little
early here. But the Taylor Swift of it all, I
can't keep bringing it back but I have to, is
that she often background hides things, right Taylor Swift, Like
something will be in the background. It'll be a letter,
it'll be a message, or.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
It'll be something on a shelf podcast episode.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yes, so obviously in the most recent episode, Bellies moved
into her new apartment and there is a moving box
behind her, and on the box it says a twelve.
And if you know anything about Swift is they're like,
what does this mean? What happens? And people now think
that the twelve means is going to be a twelfth episode,
that there will be a secret extra episode coming our way,
because what else could the number twelve mean? God, Like,

(13:52):
it couldn't mean anything at all. It couldn't be the
twelfth moving box. I think Jenny's so specific that like,
the twelve has to mean something. So I am hopeful
that we're getting a secret twelfth episode because how are
we going to jam all of this in?

Speaker 5 (14:02):
Well, everyone has to clear their calendars for an extra
week than they thought.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Then, or a double drop. We might get to binge
watch something for once. Who knows, it could be very exciting.
But I do think the Sabrina easter eggs of it
all also were really interesting to me because it made
all of these young fans go watch Sabrina.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I know, because if you're not across, it's Audrey Hepburn,
and she too is in a two brother love triangle.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yes, and she also writes a letter from Paris about
the fact that she has found herself and she knows
who she is and she knows what she wants. And
there was a really beautiful easter egg in the last
episode of a Shot for Shot remake from Sabrina that
showed Belly in that position, which tells us, you know,
maybe she's ready now for Conrad to come meet her.
I don't know. But the Sabrina of it all also
plays into the posters. So there was a poster at

(14:46):
the beginning of the season that showed them recreating the
what do you call the mo like the cover image
of the DVD and no, we're not of that era
with Audrey Hepburn, but they recreated the poster which does
show that, like, yes, while Jeremiah's really into her, she's
not necessarily leaning into the kiss and Conrad's watching them,
but she's leaning towards Conrad. So there was a lot

(15:07):
of body image analysis going on with these posters. In
every single poster, Belly and Comrade are kind of looking
to each other and Jeremiah's just sort of watching them
like a weirdo.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Can I talk about another movie reference in this current
season when Conrad cuts his leg on his surfboard.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Oh and False God by Taylor Swift plays in.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
The background, and he comes into the house and he's
sitting on the edge of the bath and Barey comes
in to patch him up. The sequence of Conrad's eyes
exactly match the sequence of Leonardo DiCaprio's eyes in The
Titanic when he's drawing Kate Wins it like one of
his French girls.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
The references beautiful.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
There's so many beautiful nineties references throughout this show and
bringing in ties to all of those big romance stories
that we just fell in love with across the ears.
I mean, Sabrina was what the sixties, seventies to early
two thousands.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Reference to the Notebook a few times, like with like
certain shots of Conrad standing in front of the house
or standing on the roof being references to Noah Ryanz
in the Notebook, So yeah, you're right, like there's all
of these cinematic references to be Like.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
Also Conrad, the scene where they lie down next to
each other in the Christmas episode they sort of fall
back onto the floor, and there's a very similar shot
from the Notebook and where you see Rachel mccadams doing
the exact same movements, and it is really beautiful how
they sort of bring in all these epic romances, not
just love triangles that they're calling back to, but all
these romances throughout the decade.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
And the floor shot itself is a nod to a
Jenny Hahn classic. So in all of her other adaptations,
if you don't know, in other romcoms, like she always
has a floor moment between the two leads. So into
All the Boys I've Loved before, Peter Kovinski and Lara
Jeane have their little floor moment happens again in Exo Kitty,
So that's also like little Easter eggs just for her fans.
In the background shot of one of the episodes, we

(16:55):
saw that at some point in the four year time jump,
Jare and Belly have dressed up as the characters from
to All the Boys I've Loved Before for Halloween. So
there are some really cute little Jenny moments as well
for her fans, including Jenny herself.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
She cameos every season. She shows up this season she's
a country club member. Yeah, in the background somewhere where
Belly and jar are supposed to get married.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
I like the idea that, just like she's got a
million doppelgangers, She's probably showing up in Paris next week
and we'll be like.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
Jenny, Well, she just plays such a huge role across
this because obviously she's an author, she's a series creator,
she's an executive producer. She directed the infamous Peach episode
reason the most heightened sexual moment on TV ever.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
If a man ever cleaned my face with the bottom
of his sparkling white T shirt on a day that
just looked like that with sunshine, I would die on
the spot. And that's understandable, right, But obviously this series
has a few amazing moments. But can we talk about
episode ten, which we have just watched, because for starters,

(18:01):
the previous episode, Billy went to Paris with a tiny
suitcase and a backpack, and we were all having major
anxiety attacks because the spot at her school had been taken.
She has nowhere to live, she has no money, she
has no clothes. She's running around Paris.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Chasing an air tag, chasing an air.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Tag, which Apple must be delighted sponsor. I presume they
put some money towards that one. There is this other
theory that red belongs to Conrad, blue belongs to Jeremiah. Right, Yes,
what color is Barey's baggage that she has lost? It's blue?
And the whole I did, what does it all mean?

(18:39):
The whole idea is that she's you know, got her
baggage back. But we have this massive anxiety and can
we also mentioned the amount of lost money on changed
and unused airfares during this season is also driving as well.
Conrad does not go back to California like what three.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Times and he pays four hundred and seventy three dollars
to change his flight.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Yeah, it means your student.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
We mentioned specifically just quickly of the four seventy three
I was like, that's to show that Conrad has money,
because terremi.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Is Jeremi is a broken.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
To do a flight, but back to the top for
the episode she lost her luggage.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
She's so that is in episode nine. So episode ten
she's established herself as working illegally in.

Speaker 7 (19:18):
Paris and doing unionline.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
She's like, I'm needing hake cash.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Actually she's not one, but two jobs she's doing that for.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
But yet she has a one bedroom apartment looking over
the Sakrica about me.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
I mean, eventually at the beginning, at least they did
make her look like she was living in shitty conditions,
like a whole bunch of different housemates, which I did
appreciate because often in shows like this they do end
up in this palatial apartments in Paris. So in episode
ten she has established herself as being in Paris, but
she's not as established as she wants to be as yet.

(19:49):
And of course, back home, Conrad is still just mooning
about the place missing belly, while Jeremis being a total dick.
What are your takes? Tina? On episode ten, I.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Just love how much we moved after the episode before
where she goes to Paris and we spent a whole
episode on chasing a bag and kicking a man in
a night club. Yes, it was fun, but I was like, guys,
we've t episodes left. We have so much ground to cover.
So I did really love that there was a bit
of a time jump from New Year's to I guess Jenny, Yeah,
but I'm not team Jeremiah. I can't with that man,

(20:21):
and towards the end of this episode, I did feel
a little bit more for him, but watching him sort
of make his way through the friend group, the stuff
about Adam cutting him off, his behavior throughout it all,
I was like, Jeremiah, we still have so much growing
up to do with you. And I know that you
were hurt, and I know that you've been left and
your brother's hurt you. But I still just feel for
Conrad because watching the way that they were all having

(20:41):
this friends giving and Conrad's not invited and he's at
home by himself, I'm like, Steven and Taylor, come on,
you guys are friends with Conrad too, and I understand
that you would pick a side in something like this,
but it made me really upset. I did cry a
few times in this episode for my boy Connie. Love
that guy, but I did feel like Jeremiah had some
growing up to do, so I'm really glad that we
got to a point where he's like, he's got a

(21:02):
job in a restaurant, he's cutting onions. We saw that
emotional apology to Laurel that was so important to me.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Then we just mentioned that obviously cutting onions is reference
to crying, so maybe he's starting to.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Get in maybe he's getting in touch. And I did
feel that, like, as someone who has staunchly hated that
man through this whole thing, I went, Okay, I'm getting
that you're going to grow up a bit now, and
I do feel sorry for you obviously for what's happened,
but you're also taking a little bit more ownership of
your part in how.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Ship though.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
God.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
But there was a scene that I felt was really
quite compelling when we're talking about jer and growing up,
where he and Conrad are at Susanna's grave because it's
the anniversary of her passing. And this I think Jenny
harn has pointed out quite a few times in both
The Boy's relationship with Billy that Ja sees her as
something to obtain and Conrad sees her as someone to

(21:57):
nurture and to love.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Let's talk about how you hung around all summer like
a sneak in the grass, pretending to help me with
my wedding, when really you were just trying to break
it up and take Billy for yourself.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
That's not how it was.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
You're so full of shit, Chare, I swear to you
that's not what was happening.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
I loved her and you ruined it.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
You don't know what it's like to be with someone
that long, What you build, what you lose when it disappears.

Speaker 6 (22:19):
She was my fucking world.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
She loved her so much.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
How could you go and sleep with someone else?

Speaker 6 (22:25):
We were broken up.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
You want to know why, because they know about the
two of you. On Christmas.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
Admitted con you want a belly back, so you found
a way to take her.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
You can't take someone, Jare.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
She's not a fucking object, and the only reason that
there was any wedding to break up was because you
were afraid of losing her.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
We've seen it before. When you know, Jare's eating the
apple and he's just so happy that Belly told him
that she'd gone to Paris, but had not told Conrad.
Whereas in the scene in front of the Grave, jer
is talking about how Conrad had done him dirty and
how he just wanted to take Belly from him, and
then Conrad says, you know, she's not an object, and

(23:07):
we can fully see this now flesher and the boy
in therapy. He openly talks about Conrad this is being
in therapy, which is amazing, So we can just see
that really pointed difference between the two boys and what
their actual relationship with Belly is.

Speaker 5 (23:21):
What I also take away from just in general both
those boys, how they've gone in these last couple of
episodes compared to Belly, is that we just see this
contrast between We finally see her get some agency as
a protagonist, have a hot girl summer that we've all
been wanting this whole time, actually get away from these
two boys, whereas their lives are very much run by

(23:42):
what she does, they're always thinking about her. And I
think it's when Taylor says to Jeremiah after the wedding breakdown,
he says, Belly is my whole world, and she says
maybe she shouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
I think this recent episode and even how the way
they're talking about her at the grave really calls back
to that. It's like you guys need to have some
other things going on in your life that aren't just
about this girl who's in Paris living a whole new life.
Get some hobbies, Get some hobbies, do someting, go catch
do what men do?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
But it does speak to like how much of their
wedding rehearsal speeches the eventual will break up, how much
of their relationship was just tied to the fact that
they grew up together and they loved Susannah so much
and they lost her, and their whole relationship was just
based on them not wanting to lose each other too,
not necessarily that they were in love, but that they
had so much love for each other, and his wanting

(24:33):
to beat his brother finally at something, So to have
that moment at the grave where Conrad finally got to
a little bit stand up for himself. Because my poor
Connie has been coming out and I know he did
the wrong thing by telling an engage woman he loved her, But.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I mean, would I want my ex to tell me
that he was still madly in love with me the
night before my wedding?

Speaker 7 (24:52):
Yea, how maybe you're a week out, give me a week.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, go some time to break give some time, but
like to see him actually say to his brother in
that conversation, like, first of all, she's not an object,
but also you did the same thing to me, Like
to actually have that moment of confrontation to go, Like
you moved in on her a month after I'd broken
up with her and knew I was in love with her.
What did you think would happen? Did you think I
could lose those feelings that you saw so obviously? I

(25:15):
was like, yes, yes we finally got it, and yes
it was emotional, and it took I guess months and months.
I don't even know where we are.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
It's not quite the same, though.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
I would like to point out, like moving on your
brother's high school girlfriend a month after you broke up,
storming in the night before the wedding, little bit of
a difference.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Not to defend Jeremiah, but.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
I honestly Tomia's indefensible at this stage.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
I stay.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
So we have discussed a little bit about how awful
Jeremiah is in this particular season of the summer ten
pretty but can we talk about the cake please?

Speaker 4 (25:45):
We have to talk about the seven.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
Hundred and fifty dollars his one thing, the one thing
he wanted to wed seven hundred and fifty dollars wedding cake,
two tier dark chocolate cake with a raspberry coolly filling
and a mirror glaze on top.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
That's his one thing.

Speaker 7 (25:57):
The ring could be tiny, but he had to have
the seven hundred and fifty.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Dollars dark podcast ring in history and a seven hundred
and fifty dollar cake. I mean, have you seen how
many people have created that?

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Have you seen that Jenny Hahn a no cake? She
put it on her Instagram stories on the die. I
it's like called Jenny devious woman.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
Ah.

Speaker 7 (26:15):
And the important thing we learned is Cacao is the bean.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Cocaw is the bean.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
Good news, Uh, I think we can still get the
cake from your preferred bakery.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Great the two tiermere glaze a slight change of plans.

Speaker 6 (26:27):
How about a one tier chocolate cake with milk chocolate frosting,
no cocow, but you can still keep the raspberry coolly belly.
Cacao is the bean. It's what chocolate is made of.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Look.

Speaker 6 (26:39):
The whole flavor profile depends on the bitterness of the
dark chocolate and the sweet tartness of the raspberry the
cake is my one thing.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
And you said each of us get one thing. Yeah, yes,
I know I said that. But we we just have
to be realistic.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I mean we can't.

Speaker 6 (26:53):
We can't spend seven hundred and fifty dollars on a cake.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Then I'll put it on a card and pay it
off later.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Sure, Okay, Hey, I gotta go.

Speaker 6 (27:01):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
The Willy Wonka edits of Jeremiah got me through that
episode because that was nonsense and I wanted him off
my screen and I was like, you a willy won't
go trash one of the.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
Pure villain moments that will go down in history, undoubted.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
One yea even worse than everything else.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I mean, there's a pretty high bar set.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Telling his brother, I gave you belly. No, it's the
cal beans.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Speaking of the cheating scandal too, there is a big
call for T shirts to be made from Stephen's iconic
line in this series. Who the fuck is Lacey Barone?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
I need it on a T shirt, I need it
on a mug hat. I'll wear it everywhere.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
I need a spinoff.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Bonas and why they hooked up in Carbo. It makes
it worse that it was in Carbo. Somehow that makes
the cheating much worse.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
All of the fact that it was twice too you, Jeremiah. Look,
let's focus on Belly for a second, because she does
as you said, she's had hot girl summer and then
we've you know, got her in winter now with this
beautiful Spanish benito. He's gorgeous and obviously like it's New

(28:07):
Year's and she goes in for the countdown passion rule
like final she kisses someone whose last name is not Fisher.
And now she's got her own apartment because her friend
has moved in with her girlfriend and given up her apartment,
and she's establishing herself as like an actual individual rather
than an extension of the Fisher family. And now we

(28:28):
know Conrad is coming. Why I think we like the
hot boy in Paris?

Speaker 4 (28:34):
We do, and this episode I've become a staunch.

Speaker 7 (28:37):
I'm just gonna call them Timothy Shallow May, Timothy.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Schallo May support her like he's who I now want
to win, maybe not forever, but for now, like.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
This is not long enough.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, I do feel a little bit how I felt
watching Bridgeston season two when suddenly they're walking down the
aisle and I'm like, how are you going to get
out of this. That's how I feel with one episode left,
I'm like, we don't have enough time for me to
Belly to break up with mister Timothy Challomey to feel
whatever she feels, and then for Conrad to be there,
and then for us to see them happy for once,

(29:06):
we've seen so much heartache for them, we just see
them happy. I'm like, Conrad, we don't have time get
to Paris. But also Timothy Chalame is there, What's going
to happen? I like that guy, but whatever, he's fine.
My main thing is he's no Conrad. But he's no Conrad.
But I'm really I agree. It's so nice to see
the sort of little time jump after New Year's where
it was like she's speaking French to her roommates and
she feels so much more confident she can have a

(29:27):
whole conversation.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Okay, just in saying that, I hated that her French
was that ship when she got to Paris, because we
saw her reading the Hunger Games in French at some stage.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
She didn't take any of that concotion.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
She spoke French in a previous season two and it
was a damn side better than what she had when
she rocked up to Paris.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
You don't use it, you lose it.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Maybe, and maybe like that's a symbol too of like
how much he gave up for Jeremiah because he was.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
A man does not speak French. He does not speak French.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
She's not practicing it, and she gave up a lot
to be with him, So maybe that is a sign
of that too. But like seeing her speak fluently eventually
is like, oh, yeah, this is so nice, and have.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
A complete friendship group it's not tied to who she
was as a child, and have her romantic interest, doesn't
have the surname Fisher. It was just really nice to
see her growing up and having that moment because I
think she needed it. We're off book at the moment,
we're not in the original story anymore. So I think
if we'd gone straight to Paris and then Conrad showed up,
like it wouldn't have felt like she was ready for it,

(30:21):
and it wouldn't have felt like she was an adult.
Like it really felt like two kids cosplaying getting married
when Jeremiah and Bellie were going through the motions. So
she really needed to like have that independence and grow ups.
I just loved seeing her like get this new apartment
and be supported, to be supported by her mom, have
a like lovely phone call with her mom and be like,
oh great, cool, You're not going to try to stop me.
Like it really felt like her coming into adulthood, which

(30:43):
is just what she needed.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Before we move into our theories of where we're going
to go in next week's episode, can we just call
out a few things from this season. One. Taylor is
my MVP of season three. That girl is the best
damn friend anyone could ask for. She's also befriended Conrad,
who she swore she would never be friends with, just
to give him the updates that he so desperately is
looking for with his woman now in Paris. Her and

(31:08):
Steven great Denise. I loved, still love She's a great character.
I do not want to see her hook up with Jeremiah. No,
even though they are sharing an apartment right now, Please
do not take it in that direction. She's too good
for him.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
She will become his mother in a way.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
It looks like she is doing that, But I just
don't want to see him hook up.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
No. I agree with you about Taylor. I love rain Spencer.
I think they have great chemistry her and Belly. One
of the moments it really rang true for me what
you're saying about her being such a great friend is
at the bachelorette party when Belly's crashing out in the.

Speaker 7 (31:40):
Bathroom, spiraling about which brother she wants.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
If that was my friend the night before, you're like
a couple of nights before the wedding. The way she had, well,
that was more grace than most would give. Yeah, and
she's just there for her through every step of the way,
even though she's got so much going on in her
own life with Bellie's brother. She really proved herself as
an amazing friend in an adult way.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
She is very mature, and I think she's been misunderstood
a lot. In season one and two, people were like,
why is she so against Conrad. She's like sabotaging their romance.
She's getting in the way. But I think she's just
really pro Belly. She just pro her best friend. In
the second that she she felt that shift that at
the bachelorette party, she realized, oh, this isn't what you want.
She did the hard thing, and she had the conversation
with her of being like, don't marry him if you're

(32:22):
not in it, and you know, I know that Belly
was upset, but for them to have that little fight
on the wedding day was obviously very upsetting, but it
also showed that, like Taylor's just team Love and team
Belly and her friend, and even when her friend's going
to be mean to her, she will be on her side.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, I love to say the season she was so fantastic.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
I also kind of feel like rain Spencer could be
out Anna Kendrick from The Twilight Y Yeah so Yannie
Hendrick plays Jessica, who then went on to be one
of the biggest stars of the cast that was in that.
She went on to do Up in the Air shortly
after with George Clooney Pitch Perfect. She's done so much
And when I went to the summer at a pretty
event that was held here in Australia, when they were
doing all their promo, I felt rain Spencer had that

(33:01):
similar kind of energy, that feisty energy.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
She gives a great interview.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
I think her scope as an actor, like her character,
is quite different from who she is as a person,
and I'm really excited to see where she takes it
next and see if she could be that side character
breakout star from the series.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I would love that because I think she's incredible. Let's
look at the parents for a second. Adam still a major.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
Dick ordering the seafood platter and someone else is paying.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
How could you was an asshole? But also the advice
he's giving his sons, like could it be any worse? Like, oh,
that's why I didn't speak to you after your mother died,
because silence is great and space is wonderful, Like what
an idiot?

Speaker 4 (33:37):
And I've run off with my secretary daily ran off with.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
My secretary, who I cheated on your mother with, who
I brought to the wedding. Like he's just all around horrible.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
And you know, we look at Jeremiah and the real
like descent of his character into quite a bit of
a caricature villain this season, and then.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
You look at his dad and you're like, maybe it
makes sense.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
Maybe the one who took after his mom and Jeremiah
took after his dad.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Jeremiah did say that Conrad has her hands. He's more like.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
He is true off. But I do think the best
thing for jer is going to be being cut off
from his dad. That man is crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
He is tok sick Laurel and John for starters, Why
did John have major heartburn?

Speaker 4 (34:17):
I'm concerned there's a death coming.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Is he gonna die a.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Major heart attack? I'm very worried for him. Well.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
A lot of the fan theories about what does happen
in the finale do cent her around various potential deaths.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
One of them.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
I thought the same thing when I saw the death
right now.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
But also, I want Laurel and John to get back together.
But did you do I do?

Speaker 4 (34:38):
She already seems annoyed at him.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
She already seems like she's getting sick of him, Like
obviously they've had the divorce, they've had so much time apart,
and I feel like this season, when they're prepping the
Christmas dinner, she's like, I don't know John, and she's
just getting really worked up at him about little things.
And I'm like, is this a sign that maybe you
got caught up in the love bubble yourself and thought
this could work out?

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Okay, you might be changing my mind.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I also read it as her being irritated by him,
but maybe it was also her being irritated by like,
is Jeremiah coming? What these feuding brothers are going to
do to ruin my Christmas. Who could say like, but
it did read a little bit like she was not
thrilled with him asking her questions all the time. But
maybe they'll have some healthy communication and work it out.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
They might get Conrade's therapist.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
They might get Conrad's therapists and sort it out. Because
when the trailer first dropped and we have that scene
of Belly in the white dress, which we now know
was in her dress, a lot of people theorize that
it could be at her parents' wedding getting back together,
and she's some kind of bridesmaid. I mean, other people
say the same thing about Taylor and Steven, So I mean,
I doubt we're gonna in one episode see her parents

(35:37):
fully get back together and get married.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
But maybe I just want Laurel happy and if that
is with him.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Name I accept that she's a wonderful human being, Laurel.
I would like her to be everyone's like second mum. Yes,
she's lovely to my left. Here is one of top
tiers Swifty Can we reflect she was.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Like gold star five percent of fans on Spotify great.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Okay, like the ultimate Swifties in the room. So if
you have not noticed, there's a few Taylor Swift songs
in this season some right, ter, I'm pretty we're going
to break down the absolute swiftness of season three next. Okay,
it would be remiss of us to have a giant
Swifty in the room and not discuss the insane amount

(36:18):
of money we presume they spent on the music budget
for this season. How many Taylor Swift tracks have we
seen so far? Do we have a count?

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Anyone know?

Speaker 2 (36:27):
In the last episode, like it was a lot. I
spoke to Jenny Hahn before this season started and asked
her about the needle drops and I was like, are
you writing to them or are you adding them later?

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Right?

Speaker 2 (36:37):
And She's spoken a lot about how she's written to them.
And I think the biggest one from season one was
The Way I Loved You, And that was in the
Debutante ball. It played as Conrad came to save Belly
for the first time and they have this big romantic
moment and Taylor Swift plays that was beautiful. This season
every five seconds there was a needle drop, yeah, And
I was like, we are getting intense with the needle drops.

(36:58):
And I do love the moments, but also sometimes you
have to let the scene or the actors speak for themselves.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah, but when you.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Can murder, oh my god, that was a beautiful use
of so Fie less BackStar crying in the bathtub. And
then it's like, so when there were some other ones,
it was great, And look, I really love the Taylor
Swift ones. Obviously is a massive Swifty and the significance
that it brings to each scene, but there were so
many of them. I do think the most significant at

(37:24):
the start being the ones in the trailer, which was
Daylight and Red. Would you like me to explain the significance?
To explain, they did a mash up in the trailer
and the song Red is from the album Red, And
if you don't know what it's one of, I would
say one of Taylor Swift's best songs. It's just lyrically
beautiful and it talks about a love and a romance
that she's lost and how loving him was red. And

(37:46):
then she had a song called Daylight years and years
later about a different romance completely, but on that song
she sings the fact that you know, she once thought
love would be red, but it's actually golden. But what
they did in the summer term a pretty trailer is
like remix the meaning of what those two songs do together.
So they kind of say, like she says in the song,
I once believe love would be black and white, but
it's golden. But in the trailer they cut it before

(38:08):
she said, but it's golden, and they play the snippet
of red, so that then the meaning would be that
Conrad is the color red, and losing him was red,
and like losing him was awful, and love for her
is this color red. So then what they've been able
to do throughout the whole season is, you know, bring
in some red Hydrangers amid the blue Hydrangers or a
pop of red here and there to show that Conrad

(38:28):
is this really meaningful person to her. And the thing
that really cemented this for me was the flashback montage
that she edited in her own mind when she was
high in the club for her bachelorette party, and they
played Ariana Grande for that montage. But the thing is
the bridge of red, is this really iconic line of

(38:49):
remembering him comes in flashbacks and echoes tell myself it's
time I have to let go. But moving on from
him is impossible when I still see it all in
my head. So to have that montage of all of
her most beautiful moments with Conrad when she's high, I'm like,
loving him was red, You're so right, belly barely as
much as I'm like, oh, there's too many. I love
every single one because it's always the perfect one for

(39:11):
the scene. They've just nailed it, even in the most
recent episode using the one a song about like how
it would have been so great if this man turned
out to be the one. As we're seeing Conrad make
the decision to fly to Paris and her make the
decision to write him back. What a beautiful, little needle
drop moment.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Sometimes watching the Summer y ten pretty does feel like
an extended music video shit film, kind of reminiscent of
you know, one of Taylor's like all too Well, And
Jenny has said that while she was writing the series,
she was listening to Fearless on repeat, which is the
album that The Way I Loved You is from, and
the themes and that really cross over with this. It's
very coming of age, it's very first love. And her

(39:49):
big dream, as you were saying, was for Taylor Swift
Music to feature if this was made into a series,
and so when she was first working on it and
Amazon Music rep told her, you should write a handwritten
note to Taylor Swift explaining why this means so much
to you, which is how The Way I Loved You
ended up being in season one, and then all these
other songs.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
They've obviously got some.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
More deal going and I think even the scenes it
plays a really big part because in the scene where
Belly finishes Conrad's crossword, apparently it didn't feature in the show, but.

Speaker 7 (40:19):
They were playing for the actor for Lola Toungu.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
They were playing all too well by Taylor Swift to
help her get into.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Work, so it was one of the crossword another Jenny
Hahn TV show. The clue is from one of her
other TV shows.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Oh, I think it was. It might have been Exo Kitty, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
I think it might have been.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
And I think that Easter Eggs sort of crossover of
how Taylor loves doing Easter eggs for her fans, Jenny
Harn loves doing Easter eggs for her fans. So if
you look at a Venn diagram of Jenny Hahn fans
and Taylor Swiff fans, we all.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Like love all of it because we just love these
little clues. We love the.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Romance, we love the teasers, and I feel like Jenny
Hann and Taylor would get along really well.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
And it's really smart because we all associate a lot
of these teen shows with certain songs, like the OC
I can't hear a bunch of songs without thinking of
that show. And then like Jenny Han's to All the
Boys adaptation, there are songs from that movie where the
second I hear them, I go, oh my God, Lara Gene.
But I think the use of Taylor's if this is
so smart, especially in this like TikTok Era, where everyone
wants to edit the heartbreaking scenes to the songs like that,

(41:16):
was always going to be a major success to use
Taylor Swift's music to reel into these romantic moments. But
we do have to thank her brother, Austin. Taylor Swift's
brother is in charge of licensing all of her TV
show and music, like all of her music used in
TV shows and movies. So even though Taylor obviously was
like go for gold, we have Austin to thank because
he's sitting there going you can use your losing me

(41:37):
and snow on the beach. Please here have it, thank you.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Can we mention finishing on Sign of the Times in
episode ten?

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Oh that really hit.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
I mean when you cried, I like cried.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Well, the non tailor.

Speaker 7 (41:51):
Music is amazing to get what you're saying that.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
It's like, it's so emotive Harry Styles, it's wild horses
playing during the Peaches scene. You just get an emotional
hit throughout each episode.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
You know one really did it for me and you
might feel this toom On not so sure. After the
big beach montage, which I could talk about for days
the next morning, when Conrad and Belly are talking in
the kitchen and he's like, no, I love you, and
you have always known with or without you by you
two plays without But I cannot think of that, And

(42:22):
I think Australian women of a certain age cannot think
of that song without thinking of looking for al a Brandy.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Of course, such a pivotal moment for our like coming
of age.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Coming of age, and like I know that obviously Jenny
is not watching and taking notes, but and I mean,
it's just it's a wonderful you two song. But for
that that song to start playing, I bawled my eyes out.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, great music choices. Okay, it's time to talk theories
because there are a lot of them. The wildest one
I have seen so far as in how this series
is going to wrap up, because, as you've mentioned a
few times, Tina, like there's not enough time left to
pull all those threads together and make sense of it.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
It's stressful, very unwell.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
So, speaking of unwell, the theory is that this is
nothing more than Susanna's fever dream because you know how
like all throughout every season it's literally been Susanna trying
to push this narrative to Belly that one of those
boys is for her, and then there's lots of kind
of suggestions that it's supposed to be Conrad from Susannah

(43:28):
and so like, even though she loves both her boys
equally and wants them both to have a great relationship
with Belly, that really she wants her to end up
with Conrad. And we know that she's been unwell. I
mean in the series, she's actually dead. Sorry spoiler if
you if you ever watched it, But this is gonna
like end up in hospital where we like zoom out

(43:50):
of Susanna's face.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
She's not dead.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
She died too long ago for this theory to be real,
but she comes back in flashbacks all the time. She
was back in.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Flashbacks Justice last episode.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
So there's this theory that maybe this is nothing more
than Susanna's wild fantasy that she wanted her two families,
her best friend's family and hers to be one. A
little bit weird, but okay, I love.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
What people like. And the twisters, it was.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
All We're going back to grade three.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
And he woke up and it was all, and Susanna
is alive and everyone is fine and everyone's happy.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Start again.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Yeah, death centered theory which circulating, okay, which is essentially
that Conrad I don't know how exactly he would get
sick enough to die in one episode.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Maybe there's a time.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
This is why everyone kept talking about why his lips
are so pale, but he looks a little bit.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
Ill, and a lot of people are saying, maybe, okay,
this is a bit of a leap and a jump,
but maybe we're gearing up for Conrad to die. Kaylee,
his dad's secretary slash girlfriend, is pregnant and they are
gearing up to an ending where they named the baby
after Conrad.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
A couple of theory Adam has two children he calls Conrad.
That's odd, that.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Is actually on who is Conrad Junior?

Speaker 5 (45:05):
A couple of theories that well, a couple of little
tipfits that point to this. In the rehears dinner, when
everyone takes a sip of champagne, Kaylee doesn't appear to
drink her champagne and.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
People like she's pregnant.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
And also he's presumably been in a relationship with Kaylee
for quite a while, but now is bringing her family events,
introducing her to the boys, and everyone's like, it's because
they have a little brother coming.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, but he also hates her family and is like,
doesn't have Thanksgiving with them? Like, atible we've established that
it is awful, But yes.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Can she not have the baby without us killing Conrad?

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Gearing up to a new baby called Conrad?

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Also, whoever made that video where they took Susanna's funeral
and put Conrad's photo in the frame like it was
actually a thing. People lost their collective minds, like how
dare you kill Conrad?

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Like?

Speaker 1 (45:54):
How dare you? But there's also another death theory I saw,
Sorry to Hi Jack, This is crazy, but apparently it
kind of alludes to another great movie, Thean Hathaway movie.
I think it's called One Day, where like the epic movie,
where she is in contact with a man throughout her
entire sort of adult life on and off over the years,
and they try and establish a relationship and fail, and

(46:16):
then when they finally do, she gets hit by truck.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, so devastating. They also made it a TV show
if you guys want to watch that.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
We don't need this top Why if Barely dies? What
if she's the one riding the bike and gets hit
by truck just as her and Conrad establish themselves as
this long lost love.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
If someone dies week, I will throw a television out
of the window. I am not okay with this. I
have seen one death. I don't need more. I like
the theories though, I like who ever sitting in their
room connecting these like dark webs and being like it
has to be death who I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
It's the only way we can wrap this up in
one episode.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
Well, but there's not enough time for us to have
a happy period and adult all in one episode.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Now three hours. We need a little bit of happy.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah, I'm hoping this is like movie length double episode.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Okay, well the theories have you heard?

Speaker 2 (47:03):
My theories are so tame, guys, No one's dying in mind.
The one that's been kicking around for me, first of all,
was that people thought that Jeremiah end up with Redbird.
So that was one theory that was kicking a wild theory.
They were like, they wore the same like puka shell
necklace once and everyone was like, ooh, synochy, they must
end up together. They are actually quite fun, but I

(47:23):
think they're more bros. But the one that is taking
hold of me since the last episode is the fact
that Denise kind of speaks about the fact that when
she falls, she falls really hard, and she's looking at
Jeremiah in this kind of way that's like I'm talking
about you, dude, like I'm talking about you, and I
don't want it to happen. But I do think that
Jeremiah and her are going to fall in love and
we're going to see them be happy. We're probably not

(47:45):
even going to get any time of Conrad and Belly
being happy. We're sure going to see these two bloody
people be happy with Conrad hook up with Agnes.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Surely not Denise and Jeremiah talking about some Conrad show ends,
fever dreams, everyone's.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Climate change.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Cousins gets flooded, it's all over.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
That's too dark. But yeah, I think they're going to
obviously end up together, is the way that we're going.
That's the more realistic theory that I have seen recently,
and the theory about the box has convinced me that
we're going to get a second drop of an episode.
I think they might try to surprise us, like it's
gonna end, there's gonna be Internet uproar, and then they're
gonna go, We've got one more to go. You go, guys,
here's a treat.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
Okay, Well, my personal little theory and want is that.
So these two boys drop off for a good while,
like no letters, no telegrams, no, he turns around.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Can we just talk about the letters for a second
before you go into this theory? Because the letters, Oh
my lord, the billy does not respond to accept with
that little whack address, so she still wants the letters,
but like, oh I miss you, I love you, and
it's like, I don't know how I would feel if
someone wrote me letters like that.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
I think about you all the time.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
She's like, so sweet, it's nice, here's my new address.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
But the one like the final one he sent her
before she finally was like, he's a postcard like of
being Liker just in case it's not clear, Like I
think about you all the time.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
I was crying.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
I'm going on this is insane.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah. Well he also sent her junior men.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Oh my god, that was so beautiful, but also chocked
it on as like to see that, like she got
a package and she's like, I'm going to it right now.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
In the middle of the when she says to Barey,
the Fisher boys were like, so last season, get a
new purse. I need to clap that. Yeah, that was
so good. But sorry, your theory that you want? What
do you want to happen?

Speaker 4 (49:33):
So what I would like is they just drop off.
They leave her alone for a little bit.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
She has a whole Emily and Paris era with Benito
Timothy shell May, and she learns how to write a vesper.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
They were doing that after a few whiles, giving me anxiety.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
So irresponsible, not drink and drive exactly, but then in
the future, because I really do think that Taylor and
Steven are endgame and they're the true love really of
this season. I really think that in a few years,
at the wedding, that could be a great point for reconnection.
She's gone off and had her own thing, and then
at the wedding, I assume she'll be made of honor,
a bridesmaid or something. They'll reconnect and then that might

(50:08):
be a good time for her and Conrad. Although I
really just hope he's gone on hinge or like, gone
on a few dates with some other girls in that time,
because he's a lovely boy studying medicine, like he should
really just you know, just see what's out that. Once
he's done that, then they can come together and then
loving him can.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Be of course he'll be in the bridal party too,
because Stephen will make up and be happy.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I would love that so much. I wish we had
fifty more episodes and like ten more seasons because I
need to see Stephen and Conrad together again as best.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
And I want to see Taylor and Stephen living, Taylor.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
And Stephen happy, and I want it. I want this.
Rewrite the script.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Okay, no more debts. Mon has the answer.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
I'll send you some notes to them.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, you go get on call with prime video. Let's sort.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
You can use the Taylor's with song, but this is
what I want. Well, I think we could talk for
another two years about this season of the summerrit end
pretty but you will get another dose of this because
there is technically whoever you want to believe, one more
episode left to go and we will be back to
talk about it next week, so stay tuned for that.

(51:07):
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Oh my god, finale Beside myself, who knows what will happen,
but we will talk about it, okay, bye bye bye