THE SUMMER I TURNED PRETTY: The Secrets Behind The Biggest Finale Of The Year

We unpack the biggest twists, the pay-offs (and heartbreaks) from Jenny Han’s world, and what it all means for the future of the series. In a whole episode dedicated to The Summer I Turned Pretty finale, superfans Claire, Monisha and Chelsea get into the fan theories, hidden details and all the post-finale chaos everyone’s talking about - plus we hear from Jenny herself!

You’ll learn:

• What the one-hour-and-nineteen-minute finale episode was actually hiding
• Which was the major easter egg everyone missed
• The reason the Paris scenes felt so hazy and sultry (it's no accident)

Plus we break down THAT scene that left us all screaming - we know you feel the same. 

This episode dives deep into the highly anticipated finale of the hit Prime Video series based on Jenny Han’s bestselling novels.

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Hosts: Claire Murphy, Monisha Iswaran & Chelsea Hui
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast
is recorded on help from Mamma Mia. Welcome to the
Spills watch Party, where.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
We unpack the bigger shows and movies that everyone is
talking about.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm Claire Murphy.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Back what we thought was the final episode of the
Summer I turned pretty.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Unpacking everything that went down in.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Last night's finale, which, when I tell you, we screamed,
were screamed about. I of course have back up to
discuss every longing look, every sexy scene, and all the
other plots we truly did not care about.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Mon I'm Ansiais Warren. I'm the executive producer of the
Spill and someone with a lot of feelings today after
what we saw last night, and.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
We're also doing this week by Chelsea.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Hey, Hello, Hi, I'm Chelsea. I'm the entertainment producer at
Mamma Mia and I too massive fan of the Summer return.
Pretty It's kind of taken over my life for the
last few months, and I was actually lucky enough a
few months ago to interview the cast and the Queen herself,
Jenny Hahn the creator of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Which we have a little bit from because we need
to discuss the Easter egg we do, whether we know
what it is or not, amongst all the billion other
Easter eggs, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
So when five.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Pm hit Eastern Standard time for the finale, last night
of the summer return, pretty the very first thing we
checked in the room was how long was this episode
and how many they were going to how many they were.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Going to be?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
It was only one episode eleven. It only went for
one hour and nineteen minutes, and we're like, is it.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Going to be enough?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
This is not enough.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Surely we were not going to tie up all the
loose threads that we knew were hanging about at the
end of episode ten, but they attempted to do so.
But I think we really need to start with the
big news that broke overnight. This was announced at the
Red Carpet finale event. I don't know how many TV
shoes have a finale event.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Probably not that many, but if anyone deserved one, it.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Was I agree. I agree.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
So it was held in Paris, which is beautiful. There
was a picture of Conrad and Belly, the real people
in real life, standing in front of a sign that
said the summer I turned pretty movie and we.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Got to wake up to that news in Australia.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Did we woke up like thinking it was all over
and we'd left this universe? How do we feel about
it coming back as a movie? Guys, Chelsea, what do
you think?

Speaker 4 (02:40):
I'm not gonna lie. This is the best news of
my life. It's completely turned around my week. I went
to to watch parties yesterday, actually one in the office
which Claire was also amazing, and one with my group
of friends. And while I loved moments in it, I
just felt like I needed more, you know. I felt
like we just needed an episode or an epilogue or something.
So I feel like this movie really explains why the

(03:03):
finale kind of played out the way that it did.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Agrade, Yeah, I feel like it's thrown a big spanner
into my life because I sort of had my grieving
planned out. It was like how I felt when Harry
Potter ended, how I felt when Twilight ended. I was like,
there'll be seventy two hours. You'll be in a dark place.
Then I woke up this morning and I was like,
the universe continues. All the options are back on the table.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Okay, so what are we then hoping for from this movie?
What's your prediction of where this was, because it's a
continuation where we were kind of hoping for some spinoffs
at the end of this because there's been a lot
of chat about potentially a like a historical piece of
Susannah and Laurel's relationship from maybe their college years. But
what are you then hoping for from this movie?

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, it's interesting because I was very invested in that
idea of the Susannah and Laurel sort of prequel because
Jenny Hann based their relationship on Beaches and I love
that movie.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
When Forth criede so many times during that movie.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, every time, every time. You can't not so I
would have loved to see that. But obviously this picture
is of Belly and Conrad. They've said it's going to
be a continuation of their lives. I know a lot
of people want to see a wedding. I don't feel
that attached to wanting to see a wedding because I
just feel like there was so much wedding chat this
season already. I'm a little bit over the weddingness.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
I think though from the fans reaction there's a lot
of people hoping for a certain scene from Belly and
Conrad's wedding to play out, because in the book, he
picks her up and kind of goes to flinger into
the ocean, and she says like, don't you dare Belly
flop me because I'll take you down with me, and
he's like, I go where you go?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh so Conrade, so Conrad right. So I guess maybe
the fandom is keen for that wedding.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Maybe, Or the other option would be if we see
their kids going to Cousins Beach every summer and maybe
there's some drama because I'm like, what's that going to
be the tension? What's going to be the stakes now
that they're already in love?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
So it feel like the summer I turn pretty next gen?

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Maybe maybe next generation.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
It's a whole universe. I got, Chelsea, where are you hoping?

Speaker 4 (05:00):
I am like on the other side of the spectrum,
where like just give me like a Christmas special vibe,
like just like a happy like I'd love to see
them get married. They're kids, Like I feel like just
every happy Bond rat scene that we didn't get to
see in this finale just stuffed into one movie, like,
I don't need the high Stakes. I just want I
just want Bond marad Romance, you.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Know, yeah, because they really left us hanging on a
wire for this entire season. So I think we need
the palette cleanser, we need the happiness, but we do
still have a bit of tension left because obviously that
scene at the end of last night's episode was their
return to Cousins, their first time as a couple, and
so we don't see the reaction from their families. We

(05:41):
don't see the tension with Jair and Denise. We'll get
to that in a minute. So I think I really
want to see how all these other relationships play out,
and I want to see how Stephen and Taylor go
in San Francisco, and I, you know, I want to
see where all of their journeys take them. And to
be honest, when we saw the car driving into Cousins,

(06:01):
I thought, there's going to be a kid in the backseat.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
I thought so too, or that the wedding.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, I thought, no, there's this is a jump forward,
because you know, she loves a bloody time shift, and
I was like, surely this is the kid in the
back and they're going back to Cousins, but no, so
I feel like that is where it might go in
the movie. We shall see. But next we are going
to get into the finale itself, because there was a
lot to talk about. So we're going to find out
what we all thought about.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
How that all ended. Okay, how are we feeling? Like?

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Just if you could sum it up in one word,
how you felt this morning before you knew that there
was a movie, How did you feel on waking up
after that was all over?

Speaker 3 (06:42):
I would say relatively content?

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Okay, Chelsea, you look like maybe you're not relatively content.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Disappointment. I don't know. I just feel like I really
did love the episode overall. Yeah, I felt like we
got some great scenes. We'll get into that a little
bit later, but I just felt like, after all the
yearning and the conflict, we got about like zero point
five seconds of like a happy bond Rad couple, just
like patting out in Cousins Beach. So and I felt

(07:12):
like a lot of people online sort of felt similarly,
where we just didn't get enough time with them, you know,
we didn't get enough happy moments. Now knowing that there's
going to be a movie, I feel like they are
going to rectify that. But yeah, I liked it, but
walking away, I did feel a little bit of disappointment
with the final scene.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
I have to say, I felt a little bit set
a drift, Like I loved that we got the ending
we were hoping for. I love that the reunion happened.
I love the way that that reunion played out. I
really cared very little for any other storyline that was highlighted.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
During that, Justeremiah looking.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Cooking.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Like every time Jeremiah came on screen, literally everyone in
the room was like, get off, we don't care about
you anymore.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Go back to Paris.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
I felt like they crammed so much into this last episode.
I mean, it was lovely to get the happy endings
for everybody except for Adam, who deserves every thing he gets,
and we did find out that he and Cayley broke up,
so yay.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
But I just it was too much.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
It was too much, too absorbed in the moment, and
it was not enough at the same time. So I
felt like I was kind of in both camps simultaneously,
which is why the movie now means my rage has
subsided a little bit, and I feel like I can
get on with my life. But how do you feel
about where the story went? Mon, do you feel like

(08:38):
Conrad and Barey's story played out how you hoped it?

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Did?

Speaker 3 (08:41):
I think so. I stick to my relatively content comment
because I was filled with fear when Conrad was sitting
on the steps and the sad songs playing, and they're
coming up in the best bro and I was like,
he's gonna slink back to America like the Black Cat.
He isn't be sad forevermore.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
There were so many moments I thought he's gonna go,
he's gonna leave, He's gonna walk away.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Every time you come back, I'm like, oh, still saved.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
So overall I was happy. I enjoyed that we got
to see I mean, it's not really that much further
down the line, but for some reason, they're much more adult.
It's a much sea adult version of their love story.
I overall felt like this last episode was a little
bit like a mini not rom com, like I guess
like a rom drama, because you see all those emotions
very contained in that one episode. You see the flirting,

(09:24):
you see the yearning, you see the epic love scene,
you see her make a mistake and then run through
the streets. So it was a lot condensed into one episode.
But I actually didn't mind that. It was a little
bit like a mini movie of how they end up.
So yeah, I had conflicted feelings. Of course, I would
have loved to have seen more bon Rad scenes. You
can't really get enough. But I do think a lot

(09:45):
of romantic shows struggle with this. Once you get over
the hurdle of the main couple getting together and those
stakes and that tension is gone.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
How do you keep us caring?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
How do you keep us caring?

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Like?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Do we just see a montage of them with Taylor
Swift songs and they're kissing.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
I mean, Taylor's got a lot of songs.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
True, it could go for a while, It could, but
you know, I get that it's hard for us when
you've been yearning so hard for the one thing to happen.
When you finally get what you want, sometimes you're like
it's like impulse shopping, right, you know, when you're like,
I really really want that thing. It's beautiful, and I've
been lasting after it for ages, and then you buy
it and you take it home and you're like, man.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Cool, it doesn't feel the same.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
It doesn't feel the same anymore.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
So I get that, and maybe that's why they left
it to the very end to happen, because otherwise would
we tune out a little bit if they got together
at the very start. I was convinced they weren't going
to get back together. Really in Paris. I was convinced
that her dad was going to have a heart attack
because why did he have such terrible heartburn in the episode?

Speaker 3 (10:45):
And will a heartburn be addressed in the movie?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Will have heartburn?

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Be the heartburd better be addressed in the movie. Because
I had this vision of the fact that he was
going to have a heart attack, Conrad was going to
come to Paris see her. They weren't going to get
back together. He was going to go back to America,
and then he would be on hand when John has
his heart attack because he's a doctor now and he
was going to, I don't know, give him CPR and
resurrect him and be the hero. And then Barey would
come back and be like, Conrad, I love you. You

(11:09):
saved my dad's life.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Like That's how I saw this playing out.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
I think the Harborne was a red herring. They wanted
us to think that was going to happen. They were
trying to plant little distractions because there was no reason
for that line to be in the show.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
And in fact, nobody died. We had this whole idea,
was Conrad gonna die? Maybe Billy was gonna get hit
by a truck? Was it John having it?

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Like?

Speaker 3 (11:27):
No one died and Susannah wasn't in fact alive having
a dream.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Sa wasn't alive. It was nothing like we thought.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
But Chelsea, how do you feel like that story played
out in the end? Do you feel like it took
it to places where you wanted it to go.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
I think there were enough scenes that we were all
waiting to see, like that sex scene that I feel
like really took us over the edge where we were like, okay,
Like I feel satisfied the yearning was leading up to
this very very moment. I do feel like I just
feel like how that entire scene was choreographed, all the
little bits from like the taxi or the kiss, to

(12:03):
the taxi to the stairwell then getting over.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Okay, we are going to get into moment. Can we
unpack this sex scene together?

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Oh? We have do?

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Okay, because you've started it now we can't stop. We
can't stop because they couldn't stop either.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Obviously.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
It starts off with them standing in front of the sand, obviously,
and then they kiss.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
After just pause in the history of the world, he says,
have you moved on? And then I literally looked because
I went back ten seconds and it still wasn't enough.
I had to go back more than ten seconds in
the stream to get back to that line because she
stares at him for so long.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Oh, there was that heck of a lot of staring
in this episode. They finally kiss and like literally the
room Chelsea that we were in together like lost its
collective mind. Screaming happened and we.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Were like it was almost like we were so.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Wound tight that we had to release the tension somehow.
And when that kiss happened, we all the screen.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Yeah, people were getting up play.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
It was insane.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
And then the scene in the taxi, like, I don't
know about you, Like, there were many hot moments in
this but the scene many there were many hot moments,
but the scene in the taxi when they are actually
pashing in the like I mean rip taxi driver who
had to deal with that. But there was a moment
where like they're pashing and then he like pushes her

(13:19):
backwards against the window and I'm like, oh, okay, it's
getting very warm in.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Here, ya anymore?

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Not beyond that, And.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Then of course they're like they scramble inside and they
get to the stairwell. Please tell me your feelings about
this stairwell moment, Chelsea, because I have thoughts.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
I was shocked because this is a YA series where
I feel like we went into it. The last few
seasons has felt quite teen. That scene just felt so adult.
I think it was the lighting, the music, the part
where she like guides his hand like.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Heart failure, heart failure, if you do not know, he
guides her hand directly up underneath that gorgeous dress she
was wearing.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
She looked absolutely beautiful.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Well she only bought that dresser he could take it off.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Thank you Taylor Swift for that song. That was perfect.
But yeah, you're right. And there was a moment when
they finally get into the bedroom and she's on the
bed and then he's standing up in front of her.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Oh that was too hot.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
I'm talking about about her.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Now, do we need a collective moment just to like,
but she is undoing his belt buckle and she looks
up at him with those gorgeous, gorgeous eyes of hers
and I've never wanted ya to become Ao more than
I did in that one moment. It was so hot, Like,
oh my god, it's like you were there with them,

(14:45):
almost like experiencing that. It was so intimate, like we
were right in there with them together. And it was like,
I know that sounds so weird and creepy, but it
was like, I was so into this sex scene, so
into it.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
It was so hot, and from the very first moment
when they first kissed, and the lyric is our secret
moments in a crowded room, which is so fitting because
they have had so many illegal, little secret moments like
at the rehearsal dinner when they look at each other.
It was the perfect There should be an award for
matching that Taylor Swift song to this particular scene, because
it was true perfection.

Speaker 6 (15:18):
Our sacred moments. In a cardinal the gna Dear Me
and You, there is an indentation in the shape of
a jamak arm a golden.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
And I think for anyone who's a yearner and who
loves to yearn and just long like Conrad has done
for years, just picturing that amazing moment of all your
yearning paying off and that culminating in that electric moment
where they end up together. It was just an amazing
feeling to see.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I guess then it has to transition into the fact
that Billy is wearing the most amazing set of underwear
underneath that dress.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
But it did stop at her.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Being on top of him, and we kind of then
cut to the we can figure out lying in bed
together with the sheets conveniently placed over places we're not
supposed to see. But like I felt that that sex
scene was so lovely and so hot and so intimate
like that to me was like almost perfection. I don't
know what you guys think about that whole thing, with

(16:23):
the soundtrack, with the scenery, with the choreography of it all,
Like to me, that whole thing was almost perfection. What
do you guys think?

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Yeah, I think Jenny Hart knows what buttons.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
To push, knows what buttons women need push.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
That scene was written for women. Yeah, one hundred per Yeah,
every little detail, even like from Conrad unclasping her bra
with one hand like and that.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Was in the music and the hand on the banister
she pushed her back into it.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
There is a pause in the music where he says
to her, I dream of about this you and like
then the music picks back up again, like it's just
so beautifully choreographed. It could not have gotten any better,
be right, There is such a difference, and there's some
really funny things on the internet if you want to
go and look at a comparison between women writing sex

(17:10):
scenes and men writing sex scenes. Because it was the
right amount of.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Like raw, because he like picks her up and puts it.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Up against the wall, Like there was enough of that,
but also enough tenderness and a lough love and affection
for it to be like a really good balance and
definitely a woman writing a sex scene.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
And it was nice that it was her decision. She
was like, come home with me. You just looked shocked.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
You can't believe it.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
I think that was really well done. I mean no notes, no.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Notes you no, no, it's Jenny Hahn. We give it
ten out of ten gold star, like we'll watch again.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
In fact, have watched again.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Mine.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
You've been tracking what the internet's been saying about this episode.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
What's the consensus been online.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yes, I was in a Reddit live react thread last night.
I wasn't at the watch part of you guys were,
so I just thought it maybe a little bit too
much for me. It was just such a big moment,
and I think I just needed to be alone.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
But I was.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
I was reading too that what you will.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
I was with my online community, and the running thread was,
as you guys mentioned before, everyone absolutely losing it every
time any character but Belly or Conrad is on the screen.
So some of my favorite comments were, Taylor's crash out
is not needed in this final episode. We need to
dedicate every millisecond to Belly and Conrad. Go figure it
out in private Jared, Denise and Taylor somewhere off screen

(18:33):
right now, which summed up my thoughts exactly. I know
you need a B plot, but do you need a
BE plot?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I feel like we did not need a be plot,
not for these episode other episodes. Yes, this one definitely not.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Another thing that I thought, and then I saw other
people saying as well, was I imagine Conrad has been
to Paris before. The Fisher has lived a fancy life
like he's beside.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Rich as hell. You know they've been to Europe and
he's like, oh, the Eiffel Tower, what is this playing?

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Well, let's talk with some of our favorite moments, because
some of my favorite moments was of the pair of
them being tourists together, because at every tourist attraction, whilst
they're in the louver staring at artwork, whilst they're in
Versailles walking the halls of the palace, Conrad ain't looking
at shit because he spent the entire time staring at

(19:21):
Belly with those beautiful eyes of his. And I think
that's what kept me going through that whole episode, because
like the moment in the louver in particular, where she's
staring up at these beautiful artworks, and then the camera
work where it sort of sweeps around her and then
you see him behind her and the look on his
face as he's staring at her, and then at the
birthday party as he's staring at her through the candles

(19:44):
of the cake. Eyes for Belly one hundred percent all
the time. One of my favorite things from this entire episode.
What do you guys think that man has nailed? The
lusty stare has one hundred percent. He's a man written
by a woman, man woman of course he is, all right, Chelsea.
What are some of your favorite moments from this episode?

Speaker 4 (20:04):
I think the entire scene when they go to her
birthday party with her friends, the lighting of it. It's
so romantic, it's so sultry, this whole yes, and so adult,
so sexy. And I also felt like there was the
return of like a more sassy, cheeky Conrad, which we've
just been missing for a few episodes. I feel like
this season he's mostly been yearning, yes, but just sad Conrad.

(20:27):
You know, I just feel like he's been very depressed.
I get it, I get it his brother was marrying
the love of his life. But I just feel like
we just we missed that kind of more silly side
of Conrad. And there were just moments here. We had
some one liners that just really really cut through.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
How haven't you Well?

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I actually had that down as my favorite scene sex
scene aside is the Parisian Dinner. I think it was
really nice how she's built this community in Paris. I
also loved how they all knew everything that had happened.
They're like, oh, Conrad, funny, how you just you know,
burst in the night before your brother's wedding. And tried
to get the girl back.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Like.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I love that they all made a mockery of that,
because you would, like.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
You kind of saying, what if you have good friends?
That is what they were do and that's how they
will react.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, and I think we all felt collective relief when
we found out Benito and Belly weren't together anymore.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
In the next week they'd been broken up.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
That's enough time, perfect timing. I do think there was
a missed opportunity for a Colin Firth Hugh Grant esque
punch on scene Conrad v. Benito in one of those
beautiful Parisian fountains.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Benito did try to start that he got a little
bit like, yeah, who are you? Why you hear a
kind of vibe about him, and you know, got very challenging,
but Conrad was so gracious.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
And Conrad shot him down with the best line that's
ever been written for we can we play it? We
can please.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
I wanted to take to Mexico with me to meet
my grandmother, but she shot me down.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Well, He'll always be the boy who taught me how
to ride a scooter.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Sow Hey, I'll always be the boy who taught you
how to ride a.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Bike please, Like that shouldn't be hot?

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Right?

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Why is that hot? I don't understand me to ride
a bike?

Speaker 5 (22:08):
Corad?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Have we ever known what roommates guy's name is? From
her original apartment? The guy with a mustache who like
comes in his robe and his underwear all the time, Like,
do we ever find out a name for him?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
I don't think we know his name? But I don't
know why he was invited, because.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Why is this man here?

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Why is he here?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
But he delivered such a great line when the Conrad
was talking about, you know, being in cousins and he's
like cousins.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
I thought they were brothers.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
And I'm just like low because that whole birthday party
delivered some beautiful dialogue.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
So Selene like, what a boss. She's such a good
friend to Belly.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
But she comes in and she says, fuck me sideways,
you American slut, because she's so impressed with how hot
Conrad is. And I'm like, I could not stop laughing.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
It's so good.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
But she's so taken with Conrad. She kisses him like
three or four or five times on the face when
he walks in because she's like whoa, And I loved
that they were talking French about Conrad in front of
him him, but always like speaking well of him in
that friend joky way, like because obviously, if that man
had done what he'd done to my friend, I would

(23:19):
be a little bit defensive of my friend also, which
they kind of were. But they were really welcoming of
him too, and brought him into the fold, which I
think is really a true testament to how well Belly
has chosen her friendship group in Paris. But that whole
birthday party scene, you write the light in Conrad and
candlelight please gorgeous, But also just the moments between Belly

(23:41):
and Conrad when they're sitting next to each other and
she's talking and he's looking at her, and the conversation
is grown up.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Her style is so chic. Now she smokes, she's smoked.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
She smoked, she's smoking marijuana, which is a whole next
level smoking Belly Coughlin. And then there's this beautiful moment
where she blows out her candles and we all know.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
What she wished for, right, we know what the wish was.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
She's wished the same thing like every birthday, right since
she was a child, when she was a child. It
was just I think that whole scene was really gorgeous,
can I say too? There was a few harkbacks to
previous episodes in this episode too, So one in particular
is where Belly looks at Conrad and says, do you
memorize every little thing that I say? He'd said the
exact same thing to her a season or two ago,

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so you can see how the shift has happened between
Belly being obsessed with Conrad as a young girl and
then becoming an adult and Conrad seeing her as an
adult woman and then kind of going, I know what
I want now, and this is where I'm going to
chase you. And then what I did really like too
is this whole episode was Conrad chasing Belly, and there

(24:48):
were times where you're just like, God, Conrad, give up,
Like it's just because she was so awful to him
through some of it, but you remind him for his
persistence because he has been yearning for literally like what
five years now, and you're kind of like, Okay, he
knows what he wants now he's going to go and
get it.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
And I really loved that. But can I just say Jair.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Becoming the up and coming chef of the moment in
the six months that I believe this has happened in,
do not believe that plot line whatsoever? What is he
hosting this dinner? For any guesses?

Speaker 3 (25:24):
My understanding was he's hosting the dinner to try and
become a hot TikTok chef.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Was that?

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Maybe it was very poorly explained.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Who are these influencers? Why is his family there?

Speaker 4 (25:36):
Why is Taylor's pr company hosting an event where Jeremiah
is the chef? I don't know. It's all very confusing.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
And why does Adam still have the wedding champagne? This
wedding champagne never all.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
This is my favorite side plot of this entire series.
Is Adam just trying to offload the wedding champagne in
like almost every scene that he appears, you save it
for a.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Non Jeremiah occasion. It's very hurtful.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
I mean, we don't know how many times he's offered
it to other people. Maybe he is like offering it left,
right and center, because there was a lot, But that
is my favorite subplot. Adam's character has not evolved a
single iota from the beginning of season one to now.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
The most stagnant man.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Can we talk about the conversation between him and Laurel?

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Oh, can we talk about the singles cruise? That's the
spin off.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
We need the fact that he's imagining Laurel in her
two piece bikini and like mentioning how hot she would be.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
It's the new yearning arc that we need.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Nobody asked for that, No, Jenny hyd we don't want that.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
We don't want that.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
But also to like we've got that real quick wrapping
up there at the end of all of their stories.
There was a little bit more time spent on Taylor
and Stephen and jar and Denise, which we'll get to
in a second, but as far as Laurel and John
and Adam go, it was very much like, Okay, John
and Laurel didn't make it. They tried, they failed. Move on,
Kaylee and Adam didn't make it. They've broken up. She's

(26:56):
gone off to do whatever beautiful young pas do.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
She's not pregnant with a baby that will then be
named Conrad prediction last.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Episode you brought last time, So like that all very
quickly was like Okay, we're done with them, and we
kind of moved on, like do we feel satisfied with
their endings.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Yes and no. I think it was really rushed, but
given how short the episode was, I really didn't care
to see more of them, you know, like I feel
like anymore and it really would have been too much.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
That's so true. Yeah, I didn't have a strong feeling
like it maybe would have been nice for Laurel and
John to get back together, But then in another way,
I'm like they got divorced for a reason. I think
it would have just been we suspend a lot of
disbelief in this series, but I just don't think it
was necessary.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Okay, Taylor and Stephen, we love them. I'm so grateful
that Taylor is in this series. She is a cracking actress.
Rain is amazing. Just the whole personality of Taylor has
evolved so incredibly well over the last few seasons, and
her well sort of having a Taylor esque meltdown over
finding out that Stephen is moving to San Francisco and

(27:59):
hasn't told her about it, but at the same time
is really aware of That's how her behavior was in
the past and why she understood how he hadn't told
her yet. So I loved that she's self aware about
her own behaviors here and the fact that her and
Steven are just like they're cool and they're gonna go
to San Francisco together.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Like I loved their ending.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I felt a little bit annoyed that she sort of says,
you know, I've got this job in Boston, I've sort
of set up my life here. She's got this new
PR job. But now it kind of feels like she's
maybe gonna give all that up to go away with Steven.
So I felt a little bit let down because I
don't feel like that is in line with her character
and what we have seen. Obviously, I love it for
them because I want them to be happy, but I

(28:38):
was like, why does that have to be her giving
it up to follow Stephen? This is Stephen's Paris.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, yeah, I can see that because she has given
up a lot. She didn't go to New York. She
stayed and looked after God, her mum's stupid salon, which
was a whole sast what we don't care about, don't
care about, but don't I tells you, what do you think?
Do you feel like it was a little bit of
a let down for Taylor's strong, badass gal character.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
I think where they are as a couple now, I
think it actually really makes sense because I feel like
as an audience, I just feel like it feels earned.
We've seen them go through so much and to see
them have a scene where they actually do like conflict
resolution where yeah there's a challenge and she doesn't run away.
I just feel like it really feels like a full
circle moment where it feels like a healthy relationship and
a choice like realistically, in real life that you might make. Yeah,

(29:26):
your long term partner that you're in a very healthy,
stable relationship with is moving to another state. That that's
something that would happen in real life.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, that's very true too. Okay, let's talk about them,
Jar and Denise.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yep, and that's all that needs to be said about Denise,
just a Netflix sound. We did talk about this last
time because there was obviously this was being set up.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
In episode ten.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
When it did finally happen, I was yelling at the screen,
don't do it, Denise, don't do it, Denise. She deserves
so much better than this. And she's moving to San Francisco.
What does he get a poppy dog off behind her
and live in a spare room in San Francisco too,
And he's like, I got us a new couch and
she's like, well, I never ask for a new couch.
Why are you getting a new couch and need it

(30:17):
to your own ament, get your own past, to find
my apartment furniture.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
You're widow.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Like, I just did not like anything about Jeer Like,
and I know that we've been set up to dislike
him a little bit, but like this was supposed to
be his redemption arc, that he was standing on his
own two feet, that he'd been cut off by Adam,
and he was finally, you know, realizing that he was
an adult.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
But he didn't act like an adult. He winged every turn. No,
oh my god, I don't have my ramakins. Oh my god,
I need to get the lamb on my rams. It
was just like and he was like, that's it. I'm
giving up.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Every five minutes, he was giving up, and he was
just going to chuck down his tools and spit the chewy.
And I was like, you have not grown up, you
have not matured. And for Denise, she needs a real man.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
That's a boy. Yeah, that ain't a man.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
I also feel like we're kind of sick of seeing
women baby him on screen. We saw Belly do it
all season and the moment that Denise is like you
can do what it's okay, like, don't run away, I'm like, ah,
I don't want any more of this, you know, I'm
so sick of this man.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
We are not your mother, jare go and work your
shit out.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Controversially, I thought their kiss was quite hot. I did
say this to Chelsea at the time, and she was like,
everyone is booing. Nobody wants this.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Legitimately, it was on the kitchen bench where he was
preparing food for his unknown influencer event. I was like, oh,
that is unsanitary, disgusting.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
We had the best, even the worst sex scene in
one to me, we actually did.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
There was quite a few moments there where like Jerr
is like losing his ship because Steven's not stirring u
pot clockwise, and then he's like, I need you to
do nothing but stir this pot clockwise, and then he
kicks them out of the kitchen. I'm like, well, now,
who's gonna stir your pot clockwise?

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
And then he's outside chatting to Adam, which I mean
nice of him to tell him that he's proud of him,
but also Bill.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Exactly, I had to say that I'm proud of you.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
You didn't just know, right, guarantee.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
But Adam has a history of being like, just don't
say anything, it's fine. And then Jess like because he says,
I come and hang out with us, and he's like, well,
actually I still haven't finished.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Like, dude, get back in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
You cannot when you're catering event.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
You don't just wander off into the back garden to
chat with your dad like it just I did not
like very much about jess storyline.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
No, but it was always going to be that way.
I think Jeremiah had gotten to a point in this
show where there was not really going to be a
redemption nuck. I mean, they could have let him end
up alone, because I think it was sort of gearing
towards him realizing that he needed to be on his own.
But then he's like, man, I'm going to kiss Denise.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, I would have been much happier if you've just
been left on his own at the end. To be honest,
all right, it is time to get into who the
villain was and who's going to take accountability for their
own actions.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
That is coming away next.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Because there was a lot of growth in this episode.
So there was a lot a lot of growing up
done from even episode nine to episode eleven in this series,
but particularly quite a jump in this last one because
as we kind of walk into Belly's new world, she's

(33:24):
been a year in Paris. She looks different, which we'll
talk about in a second two. But there was a
lot of conversations happening, especially between Belly and Conrad, about
their behavior in the past, and I think this is
really interesting, and even Jair to a smaller degree did
discuss his shitty behavior from the wedding onwards, never about

(33:46):
his behavior and a lead up to snagging Belly off
of Conrad.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
But okay, so.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Min, how do you feel about the discussions about who
was the actual villain in this sea because there's been
a lot of chat on the internet about who the
real villain of this series is and they did kind
of address that.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah. I thought it was really interesting how Belly was
essentially saying I'm the villain. I get that I was
the villain, and I think what Conrad had said really
rings true about we all kind of did things wrong.
I thought It was quite hilarious when he said we
were just kids. I'm like, this wasn't that long ago.
We've grown up a lot.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
No, you're not the villains, right, come on, we both
know I am. It came between you and Jail.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
I broke your family. We all broke it. It was
not on you to keep our family together. We were kids.
We weren't trying to hurt each other.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
But I think what he says rings true. They all
did things wrong. When you are driven by love and yearning.
Count the number of times we've said yearning this episode.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
I mean, yearning is should have been the title of
this episode.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
But yes, you do act in a selfish way, and
obviously everyone is just going for what they want. So
I think they all were driven by that selfish kind
of impulse. In every character in this series has selfish
moments and has moments where they're doing things that act
out of the interest of others. So I think it
was good that they acknowledge that because we would have
been rather annoying if it wasn't addressed.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, because the Internet was like barely's a villain. She's
constantly in between these two brothers, their family. She shouldn't
be trying to break them up and for her to
kind of come out and say, I understand that I
am that person and I probably have done some shitty things,
like yeah, that's growth, that's understanding the role that you've
played in the destructive behavior that they've brought on not
just yourself but the others around you.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Do you agree, Chaelsey, I do.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
I also do think, like equing what Mona said about
when Conrad says, like we all broke it, that idea
that the internet is very hard on Belly and she
doesn't help herself. She is not very frustrating at times.
But I do think these are two grown men, and
the idea that this woman is like the sole reason
that these brothers don't get along, Like their issues with
each other kind of span away before Belly was in

(35:58):
the picture.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
True feel like they should be working on their own
shit too. They can't pin everything on her.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Oh one hundred percent, Like Conrad's a lack of communication,
Jeremiah having this kind of like inferiority complex when it
comes to his brother, like that exists before Belly, So
I feel like we do need to give her a
little bit of a break.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, I agree, but I think there's also this moment
that made me really understand Belly a bit more. And
this is in the aftermath of the sex scene that
we're still recovering from, where things start to turn because
Conrad says to her, You've got me for eternity now
or something along those lines, and you can visibly see
her change, like, shit, what have I done? Am I

(36:34):
starting this endless cycle between these boys over again? Like
I've just I've gone from one to the other. Do
I go back to the other again? Like you can
see the cogs turning in her brain. And she says
to him, where are we going? Where do you think
this is going? And he was like, well, I'm here now,
and he kind of fully professes his love for her
in a way that is truly, truly beautiful, like where

(36:57):
it's like, oh my god, Belly, catch on here, girlfriend,
and she shuts down, and then the conversation happens where
she's like, I don't believe that you truly love me
because I feel like you're just doing what you're mud
told you to, and that without her death, would we
even be together? Would we have ever been together? Would
you've just gone off to football camp and forgotten all

(37:18):
about me. And that is such a vulnerable moment because
it's like she feels like she's yearned for him her
entire young adult life and the only reason he even
saw her was for these outside influences, and so she's
really unsure of herself in that moment and unsure of
their relationship. And even though he says to her, I've

(37:39):
changed everything about myself and the only thing that doesn't
change is that I love you.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
A line whoa on the floor for.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Me, not for belly, But that explains to me why
she's been a bit shitty, because she doesn't believe, truly,
down deep in her bones, that she can be loved.
And she does kind of say that before she runs
and chases after him. I deserve to be loved, and
I like, I'm just not a pawn in this whole
game of Susannah's like she's the real villain if.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
We want to really.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Barba dear, and I would have probably believed it was
her favorite dream had that actually come true. But she's
vulnerable and unsure, and we all do things in moments
when we're vulnerable and unsure.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
To protect ourselves and protect our hearts, and.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
So it made sense to me that she has been
shitty and that was a good enough explanation as to why.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
Yeah, I feel like it was like the first time,
you're right, like sort of an explanation as to why
Belly has been behaving the way she has in certain
scenes where for the audience it might feel quite questionable.
I feel like her saying the line that I am
worthy of love was just like a very full circle
moment where it felt like, this makes sense. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
I thought it was really interesting hearing that backstory about
how she's concerned that this all happened because of the
mum and him reassuring her that that's not the case,
because we haven't really heard that inner monologue, as you
were saying, very much. It was also interesting when he said,
if I met you for the first time now like tonight,
I would love you.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I was like, would also, like, you don't know that
you say that.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
But that's another thing they did too, is they'd like
addressed a lot of their history. They did which they
haven't done before. They talked about prom night where he
left it standing in the rain, and they talked about
her basically telling him to go to hell, at his
own mother's funeral.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Like really terrible behavior.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yea, And they kind of agreed, Yeah, we were collectively
a bit shit, weren't we.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
And I think the way that was scripted was really
well done because it is very much sort of when
you have a fight with someone and you're coming to
terms with it after and you're like, oh, and then
I did that terrible thing and you did that terrible thing,
And the way it was written was really believable. I
thought it was a great scene.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I love that perspective of time and distance from an
event that seems so big in the moment that you
will never ever get over it, and then you look
back on it with perspective and you're like, oh my god,
why was I such a dick then?

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Or like why did I care so much about that?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
It's so easy to look back on it with hindsight
and fully understand it. But that you're right, the way
that's written is really gorgeous in that's real life. That
is really how you respond to things you don't. I mean,
some people might hang on to things for that long,
but not with that same amount of upsetness and anger
when you carried along. So that was really cool and
can we please take a moment. Yes, there's been some villains,

(40:19):
but aside from Adam and maybe Benito's terrible behavior, there
was a lot of really positive masculinity in this episode.
So Stephen telling Taylor that he doesn't want her to
sacrifice anything of herself in order to follow him to
another place and relocate again, that was really mature and
really positive masculinity. Conrad explaining why he reacted the way

(40:40):
because he's never really explained to Belly why he treated
her the way that he did after they were together
and then broke up. But he said, like, I didn't
want you to get caught up in my grief and
be pulled down with me and Jerre look you no the.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Ramakans I just na, I'm sorry. There wasn't a huge
amount of growth there.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Not a lot of accountability, though, I would say, I
think we've got like a sliver of it where he's
talking about how Belly didn't go to Paris and that
he needs to be alone for a while, and immediately
after he kind of kisses Denise.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
So I don't follow through any of that then, but I.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Think all that's a little bit true to real life.
If everything is just neatly tied up with a bow.
It's it's not echoing real life. And I think for
him to have gone leaps and bounds in the span
of less than a year, I think overall.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
But we expect that from a TV show.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
We do, like we expect him to a fault, Like
we expect him to have at least come to terms
with the fact that like he can't see the relationship
and like he still can't bring himself to be like
I probably should never have involved myself in Belly's life
the way that I did. He was her best friend,
and then he was like, well, obviously that means I
get to keep you for the rest of my life
in the.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Way that I see fit.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Like he's never taken any kind of accountability for that,
and Belly's had to really fight to figure out who
she is in all of that, because yeah, he was
her best friend, and shouldn't she be with him like that,
Like she's second guess everything when really her heart has
been conradzi and tighter. So there's been none of that
accountability in all of that. But n sorry, Jeah, I can't.

(42:11):
I tried to find things that I like about you.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Just there's just nothing.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
There's nothing nothing, there is nothing.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Maybe you cook a pastor, I mean apparently his glazed
carrots are delicious. So all I can tell you The
thing about this episode two is it looked starning gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
It was very emily in Paris.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
It was so emily in Paris, but it was less glossy,
a little bit dirtier, a little bit greedier, very like
even the birthday party like such a French little cafe
kind of vibe. Everything is mismatched but looks fabulous together.
Like I just felt like everything in this episode was beautiful.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
I wanted to live there, say in this episode specifically,
I have a.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Very unrealistic vision of what Parisian life is like. I mean,
unless that's true, I've never been to Paris.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Well, I don't know, in a one bedroom apartment on
your own overlooking the Sacraca, well, I don't know what
she does for work.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
She's working under the table in a bus still a
year later, like she can't afford that.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
No, But what did you feel about the aesthetics of
this episode?

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Oh, it was so beautiful, the lighting and there was
almost this like hazy effect over it where it really
just felt like we were in Conrad and Belly's little
world in Paris, and I'm not gonna lie, some of
the scenes will be cut back to cousins. It was
so bright that I was like, wells is like very jarring. Yeah,
but I think they kind of did that on purpose
where it felt like they really are in a different
world at the moment, and it felt very romantic, very sultry.

(43:33):
I think it was just like perfect for the last episode.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Also, Belly's glow up. Okay, what do we think of
the hair? I need everyone's opinion on her hair because
there is a very poignant reason for the haircut. And
I know if you remember back when Ja told her
never to cut her hair and she was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Never cut it.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
It's for you, Ja, Like it was that whole kind
of vibe and then she like sits down in that
Journey's like it is time cut it off. I thought
she looked super chic and Parisian and gorgeous. And that
moment where.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
She pulls their helmet off after she rocks up with
Benito on the scooter and does the fool.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
From all those flowing panteane commercial, it was glorious.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
What do you think of the Bob Chelsea.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
I love it. I think it looks great on her. Also, Lol,
the tongue is just like the most beautiful person she
on the planet, Like, I think she could do anything. Yeah,
but I know there's been a bit of chit chat
online about people not liking the way it's been started,
but I love it.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
I was surprised to see people being like, brush out
that wig. Bell. I loved it. I thought she I
agree with you guys. She looks chic, she looks gorgeous.
It symbolizes a new era. It very much suited her
Parisian preppy outfit on the back of a vesper with
Benito kind of fashion moments.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Wearing like an amazing pair of wed Es and a
stunning Beije outfit gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
And it suited her gorgeous dinner outfit as well, the
black dress. I think the styling this whole episode was immaculate.
But yeah, I was a fan of the Bob. I
was wondering when I first saw her come on screen.
I was like, is this the new Dakota Johnson fringe propaganda?
We're all going to be cutting bobs this summer.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
But I feel like it takes a certain face shape
to pull off a bob as severe as what Billy
has chosen.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
It also takes a certain face shape to pull off
Dakota Johnson's fringe, and people still try.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
So true, We've all been there, let's be honest. So
another thing, like you mentioned that Cousins were so bright
and Harris being a little bit darker and grittier. And
at the very final scene, we see Belly in the
car with Conrad, and I fully expect to see a
kid in the back seat, you know how Jenny Ann
loves a time jump.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
I was like, this is it.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
They're married, they've got a family, Like they're going back
to Cousins for like the next family reunion or whatever.
But no, it was just them returning to Cousins for
the very first time. She's wearing this gorgeous yellow dress
and Chelsea you've mentioned because you spoke to Jenny Harnt
about this, please reveal what you believe Jennie Hant spoke
to you about. When it comes to Easter eggs in
this show, because there's a billion of them, but there's

(45:57):
one apparently we've missed.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Are there any Easter eggs that are kind of sprinkled
up through the season, all kind of maybe big ones
that you feel like fans have missed so far that
you can tell.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
There's one, but.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
We'll have to wait and see any teaser of like
when that would be or something that we've already missed.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
You've already missed, Yeah, okay, really have you seen anything
about it?

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Nothing? Everything, But I don't know, we'll talk about it.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
So this season, I feel like color theory has been
a really big thing. Obviously people have talking about the
red being Conrad, the blue being Jeremiah, but I actually
feel like the easter egg that Jenny Hahn dropped that
we missed is that yellow is actually the most important color,
so bear with me. The sun has always been kind
of quite symbolic of the Bonrad relationship. If we remember
Laurel saying that for belly, Conrad is the sun, and

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the references to sunlight, sun, yellow tones is literally just
littered throughout this entire series, but particularly in this season.
So we look at episode five where it's from Conrad's
perspective or the page, that whole episode is really just
like dripping with warm tones, sunshine, and the scene where
they go to Michael's they pick up sunflowers the flashback scene,

(47:08):
and that one where they're in bed together, the picture
behind them is actually sunflowers also, and if you look
very closely, Conrad's lock screen is of a sun So
I feel like Jenny harm was kind of sprinkling in
from the beginning that not only was bond Rad going
to be endgame, which it did happen, but also that
we were going to have some sort of a yellow
tone in the final scene to really wrap it up,

(47:29):
which makes sense now Belly's wearing a yellow dress. They're
back in Cousins, She's reaching out of the window towards
the sunlight, and it just feels like a real That's
exactly how it was supposed to end.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
It was such a kind of weird moment where he
puts his hand on her back. Did anyone find that
kind of weirdly awkward?

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Yeah? She just like pats her back like okay.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Oh yeah, she's still there. Okay, she's real.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
I didn't imagine what was it Susanna's favor dream.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
I'm here with Belly returning to Cousins, so to come
full circle and wrap up the finale of the Summer,
I turn pretty.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Season three, we see them return to cousins, and I
would have been happier had it ended after they shut
the front door and walked inside and we left it
there like everything else is to my imagination. But then
like jauntily running through the house and out the back
door to stand on the back and then have.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Like the drone footage pull away. I just didn't like.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
It, the zoom out, like surely this is not how
we're going to end this series.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
It really felt weirdly like the end of an eighties
romance movie.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I just didn't didn't vibe with that, like shut the door, good,
get on with your life.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
I would have been happy with that.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
And then we could picture that you are going to
an awkward family dinner. You want to reunite with everyone? Yes,
And then we have the Jenny Harhen.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Note, Oh okay, yeah, we get Christmas.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
We get Christmas, so we get a little photo album
pops up and we get like this lovely Christmas album
of them all in Paris. We don't know who's taking
some of these photos.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
So there's a Benito.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
The roommate, his roommate with the pants and the mustache
ied it like because there was a third entity in
the room with them. But there's some very suggestive photos
of barely on the bed in her Christmas pajama, So
I have no idea if there is a third person
or they're like they've set up a camera with like
a selfie stick or something like. It's a bit of
a weird and you never see what any of the
gifts are. They're just opening boxes and laughing.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
It's just more Junior Mints, just small versions.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Of Junior Like there's ceramic statues of Junior Mint. Yeah, no,
we have no idea what's in those gift boxes. But
then yes, the note for Jenny And like we thought
with the Christmas album, it'd be like a progression of
them throughout the years at Christmas, like this is their
first Christmas together in Paris, this is their first Christmas
together back in the US, and there was none of that.

(49:39):
It was literally the one Christmas.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
After the first few seconds, I feel well, okay, like.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
You've seen it, like how many photos are you taking
of yourselves today?

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Like weird? But then the note popped up.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Yes, so then we see on the note that Jenny
Hahn has finished it with maybe we will meet again
one summer in cousins. So we go to bed with
that knowledge, thinking that that may be far away. You know,
you want things, but you let them go, you wait
for them to come back to you in timing. But
right away we get this movie announcement. So it was
a tease that was immediately met with what the end results,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Which is nice for those of us in the industry
these days. It's like I needed something to hang my
hat on after that, because I was thoroughly disappointed, saying.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
We needed a little dopamine hit it is to get
us through. A lot of people saw that and thought
maybe fourth season, maybe spin off. I didn't actually see
anyone predict a movie, but it sounds like the movie
may not have been written yet, Like we don't know
anything obviously about the plot other than it's Lola and Chris.
But Jenny will be writing and directing it. He did say,
will be written by Jenny Swim, like she hasn't done it.

(50:37):
Come on, Jenny, like we needed to get going on this.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
She she put out a standard kind of saying like
thanks to all the industry people who are allowing this
to happen, but really not much more info than that, and.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
She said, there is another big milestone left in Belly's journey,
and I thought only a movie could give it its
proper due. I'm so grateful to Prime Video for continuing
sport my vision for this story. So what do you
guys think that milestones?

Speaker 4 (51:01):
I want to say marriage.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Do you think it'd be marriage?

Speaker 3 (51:05):
I think kids? I reckon the kids said cousins are
come back to that theory.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
I will say. Also, the actress who plays Susanna was
at the press event for the finale episode, so people
are saying that obviously she's not cut back to life
she was. But I do think we'll get some flashback
sequences involving his mom for sure.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Could she not be invited anyway? Though she's kind of
a big part of it. She's the puppet master.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
She's the puppet master.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
That's true. That's true. We'll have to see.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
I don't have a really like, processed, proper thought as
to what the milestone might be. I mean, we haven't
seen her graduate, we haven't seen her start her career.
We haven't seen her with Conrad in any real kind
of meaningful way. We haven't seen her reunite with her family.
We haven't seen Jair's response, Like, there's a lot we
haven't seen in conversation. We haven't seen what life looks

(51:55):
like for the you know, San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Arm of the family. Now, a lot of un't answered questions.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
We also never ever find out if Billy ever reads
Susanna's letter for her wedding day.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Yes, there was a lot of commentary about that, so
maybe that is the males. Although I agree with you
there's a lot of malestons. We haven't seen graduation, etc.
One to be on of those people who assumes milestone
is just marriage. But I would like to know what's
in that letter. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
Also I think the letter was for the day that
they get married. Yes, so I do feel like there
will be a wedding.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Gotta be.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
But can I leave you with one last thought the chase,
when Belly is running through the streets of Paris, jumping
in a taxi, running through the train station, Bridget Joe, so,
bridget Judge.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
She gets on the train.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
We're not sure if it's the right train because when
you go to Conrad, he's already moving and we're like what,
But she is on the right train. She sees Conrad.
She professes her love for him in not just this world,
but any other world that is possibly in existence. She
chooses him, and then can I just say that again?
Belly is on a moving train to Brussels with no luggage.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Class, no passport of course, no nothing.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Movie magic.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
She can buy it when check it out there, I
mean it's well off.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
He's not been cut off by Adam, so he might
be able to finance this entire thing. But like, good
luck to your sister. We don't know what happened to you.
We know you end up backing cousins in that beautiful
yellow dress. So she wasn't I don't know, taken in
by some kind of immigration force. I mean maybe she
was deported. I don't know, but we just like good
on you, Belly for having enough faith in your I
don't know, potential husband to chase him onto a moving

(53:33):
train to another country altogether.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Maybe the passport was in her back pocket.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
I mean she did manage to get the infinity necklace on,
so who knows what her thought process.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Was she did. My I love that scene, and as
we said, so Bridget Jones, my only note was, I
don't know if out of the Woods was the right
Taylor song to end on that.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I know all the footage I was saying, because I'm
not a Swiftie, so like for me, they're buying for
the Taylor Swift songs. It's been lovely to watch other
people's reactions to it, but it didn't give much meaning
for me. But watching people watch that and sing along
to it at the same time, it felt like there
was this wave of like, get there, belly.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
For God's sake, out of the food, to get out
of the woods.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
So I felt that that song collectively for the audience,
I think was a really good choice.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Indeed, out of the wood.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
And thank goodness, we can get on with our lives.
We too, out of the woods. Wednesday Nights have returned
to us to do with as we please until the movie.
Thanks so much for listening to Watch Party today. We
have had so much fun diving into the show of
the year with you over these past two episodes. Now
make sure you're following the watch Party feed so you
don't miss our next drop, especially if you need a
new show to obsess over to bridge this gap. Chelsea,

(54:43):
what are you going to be using to supplement your
Wednesday Nights?

Speaker 1 (54:46):
From now on, any ideas.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
There's this other show called My Life with the Walter Boys.
You love a brother Love, I love a brother Love Triangle.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
I just need to fill that voice, same, the same, yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
So I'm going to be binge watching the first and
second season.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
I love that type.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I love that and mine. How about you?

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Well, the next thing I'm really looking forward to is
nobody wants this for that romantic I forgot about that.
Season two. It's coming out next month, And that is
actually what we'll be doing next on Watch Party, not
us three specifically, but saying true super fans of the show,
jumping in to unpack everything that's going to go on
with Kristen Bell and Adam Brody and everything there, guys,

(55:28):
I'm just waiting for Bridgerton and Emily in Paris.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Emily in Paris. Watch Party is produced.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
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Speaker 1 (55:46):
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Speaker 2 (55:48):
Goodbye, ladies, Bye bye