November 20, 2025 • 50 mins
Did Wicked: For Good live up to the spellbinding hype? In today’s episode, we break down the standout performances, the wildest behind-the-scenes details, and the universe-defining choices that make this sequel such a ride.
You'll learn:
– Why Ariana Grande’s Glinda is at the centre of the Oscar buzz (and what critics are actually saying) – The Wicked lore you definitely missed, from book-to-stage-to-screen changes – The steamy scene that got completely reimagined on film – How the costumes, new songs and world-building came together for the Part Two fans waited a year for.
Plus… we unpack the press chaos, the original Broadway callbacks, and the sneaky easter eggs you may not have clocked.
This episode dives deep into the second instalment of the Wicked franchise — a movie decades in the making — and explores the performances, production choices and universe shifts that have fans losing their minds.
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Check out our Nobody Wants This Season 2 wrap up on Apple or Spotify. Plus hear our full debrief on the season finale - also on Apple and Spotify.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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that this podcast is recorded on. Help can't help you
from Mamma Mia.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Welcome to the Spiller's Watch Party, where we unpack the
biggest shows and movies that the whole world is talking about.
My name is manitiaus Warren. I'm the executive producer of
Mamma MIA's entertainment podcast, The Spill, and today I'm joined.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
By Cassania Lukitch.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I'm one of the hosts of the Spill and I'm
also a theater and Wicked super.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Fan, and I'm Bree Player, the executive producer of Mamma
MIA's interview podcast, No Filter. I'm also a massive Broadway fan,
which led me to be a huge Wicked fan. I
also have a background in women's magazines, where I have
had the opportunity to interview Ariana Grande and the o
G stars of the stage production of Wicked, Idina Menzel
(01:06):
and Christian Chenoweth.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
We're very jealous and we can't wait to hear all
about it. So we have all been counting down the
days to this one. The release of Wicked for Good,
which arguably the most anticipated film of twenty twenty five,
and now it's out in the world, so it's time
for us to do a proper watch party deep dive.
So we're going to talk about everything the film, the
incredible costumes, the set, the critical reception, and the law
(01:31):
that really only true Wicked fans will appreciate, so lucky
we have two of them here, and we're also going
to get into any of the juicy nuggets from the
press run and the easter eggs the Internet can't stop
talking about, and who we think were the standout performances.
So there's obviously going to be spoilers ahead. If you
haven't seen Wicked for Good, hit pause, go watch it,
and then come back for the ultimate post movie debrief.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Because Sury is the good.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
It's the work a way.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
You can weave that wand all you want, but you
have no real power.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
I'm a public figure now people expect me to fly,
be encouraging.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Goes because it helps, and it's flying through the skuy.
I'm lo have to see the Wizard.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
So let's start things off by chatting about the standout
performances in the film, and particularly the ones that we
think are generating oscar buzz. We all sort of agree.
There was one big standout, Am I right and thinking, Ariana.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Grande absolutely missus. Ariana Grande killed it. This is her film,
without a doubt, this is her film. I think both
girls were head to head in the first film, but
to me, Ariana was really the key performer in this.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
She really was born to play this role. And we
know that.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
You know, before the first film came out, we saw
her auditioning for this part. We saw how excited she
was meeting Kristin Chenna with backstage, and this has been
such a huge part of her life and you can
really see that on screen because the passion she has
for this particular character, for Glinda Glinda in the first
one Glinda, which she changes her name, is so obvious
(03:20):
and she embodies it. The nuance performances she has in
this particular movie is really really remarkable, and we're not
the only ones that think that.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
The critics have been saying this as well.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
That's obviously down to her performance, but also, Bree, do
you think there's potentially more for Glinda's character arc in
this second installment?
Speaker 5 (03:38):
I do?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I do? I think in the first film, we saw
that happen for Alphaba for her character. I did feel
like Cynthia didn't have as much story up to work
with in this one. It's quite you know, from start
to finish of for Good. Her character doesn't change as
much as say, what Glinda goes through in this film,
(04:00):
So I think Ariana had so much to work with.
There's definitely less humor in this film than there was
in the first one, but the parts of humor that
you do see in this film are all down to Ariana,
and they're the bits that she gets to perform.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Glinda's character at the end of the first movie. That's
kind of a loss of her innocence. That's the loss
of her the bursting of a bubble, if you will.
This is her change, This is her going Okay, I
can't just be superficial anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I can't just be popular.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I have to actually do things for good and be
a better person.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And how am I going to do that when Madame Morrible.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Is asking me to do one thing and then my
friendship with Alphaburr is trying to do something else?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Is so much text there to work with.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, and a lot more tension for her as well,
So that's why we really got to see Ariana flex
her acting chops more in this one than the others.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
It is interesting because we know that the films were
shot back to back. As I understand it, Cynthia Arriva
was saying, they had like big mood boards of where
their characters were at certain points in the film. So
one day they're shooting as long as You're Mine, and
then the next day she's shooting popular, so they have
to go back and forth the lot. So that would
have been really challenging for all of the actors in
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the movies. But yes, you're right, Ariana does have so
much more to work with.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
One scene where I thought they were both quite equal,
which I think we have to talk about because it's
the title of the film is for Good. The beautiful
friendship song that they sing and I think move people
to tears in the theater we were in Brie. You've
actually interviewed the og Broadway cast who made that song
so powerful? What can you tell us about what it
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was like when you spoke to Adina Menzel and Kristin Chenoweth.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
When I interviewed Didina Menzl, which was not actually for Wicked.
It was for Frozen because as we know powerhouse singer,
she also is the voice of Elsa. I spoke to
her about Wicked because you cannot speak to the icon
that is Adina Menzil, who originated the role of Alpha
Ba without speaking to her about all things Wicked. I
do remember extensively, particularly talking to aDNA about it, and
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she has so much love for Alphaba. I mean, we
obviously got to see them both here in that first film,
which was so nice that there was that callback and
that they were part of that whole experience. So I think,
you know, for both of them, those characters like live
within them. And I think what we've seen as well
from Cynthia and Ariana, the tattoos, the way that they're dressing,
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I think that anyone who plays these characters. And actually
I want to give a shout out to Jemma Rix,
who played Alpha Ba for quite a long time in Australia,
because I've interviewed her too. So I think when people
play these characters, these iconic characters, what they relate to
and what they find parts of themselves in is that
female friendship and that bond. Well we don't see enough
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of that I think, particularly in theater, they're often love stories.
There is obviously love stories in Wicked, but that's not
the central story. So that female friendship is what we
relate to as viewers. But I think what the people
that play Glinda and Alpha Bar That's why they form
such strong bonds. And that's when you see a really
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good stage or in this case, film production, where you
can see that bond between not only the characters but
the actors.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Did you guys see Wicked One Wonderful Night?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I have y?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, So Wicked One Wonderful Night. It's actually streaming on
Channel seven now if you haven't seen it yet. So
it was a television special that they did right before
the launch of Wicked for Good as part of the
marketing campaign, and they did a number of the songs.
It was really, really incredible. I'd really encourage you to
watch it if you haven't. And Adina, Christen, Cynthia and
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Ariana all sung for Good together, and that to show
that female friendship across the generations of people who've performed
these really iconic characters is really special.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But that song, that song is.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
The penultimate song of this movie, and it is so
important and They definitely didn't disappoint in the movie.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
No, they definitely really pulled that off, and there was
so much pressure for them to do that when they've
title the movie after that song. So obviously, Cynthia and
Ariana were absolutely amazing. What did we think of the
supporting cast and how they carried their roles by comparison?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
It was really hard when Cynthia and Ariana are so
wildly talented and so in their roles that there was
a mix of how I felt about certain actors playing
certain roles. Some did a great job in the role
that they were in. Jonathan Bailey did a great job.
(08:40):
There were others that I didn't necessarily think were as good,
but coming up in any scene with Cynthia or Ariana,
no one else in the cast quite matched it. One
thing I do want to say, though, who I think
was brilliant is Bowen Yang. I love bow and Yang.
He's great, He's brilliant. I loved seeing him in this.
He's so talented that he was underutilized, which the role
(09:03):
is a small role.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
That's a broduct to the fact that the second act
is so much darker than the first, and bow and
Yang's strength is in his ability to be funny and
his comedic timing, and he's actually very good singer, surprisingly,
But you're right he was under utilized. He really does
steal the screen when we see him. But I understand
why they didn't utilize him as much in this second
(09:26):
movie because it's not really the space.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
No, there's not neat But what I do hope and
I think will happen is we will see Bowen in
films going forward a lot more, which is great. That's
if Lawn allows him.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Arianna spoke about how she really campaigned for him to
be in this movie because he was going to have
some conflicting projects with FNL and he wasn't going to
be able to make the time to be on the show,
and he really wanted to do it, so she personally
called up SNL's executive producer, Lawn Michaels to get him
in and make sure he was in the show.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Who's notoriously scary and doesn't let anyone do anything if
they're on mister SNL.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Absolutely, and she does the best impression of him, which
we know Ariana is the master of impressions. But in
that great chat where she talked about how she had
to approach him and basically beg him to release Bowen.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
I initially wasn't going to be in Wicked due to
an SNL conflict. And you called this person to ask
him to let me do it. Oh?
Speaker 7 (10:20):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Did he give you any pushback?
Speaker 7 (10:23):
Yes? He said hello, loriotor what do you want? And
I said, Hi, Laura, Oh my goodness, I miss you.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's so good to speak to you.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I miss you.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
And he said, here's what's going on?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And I said, I would.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Love I would do anything if we could make it
happen for Bowen to come being Wick.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
And he said, well, you know, I mean, the reason
why you want this is fine? Should I stand the sense?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Memory?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Is?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
I smell the popcorn? I'm in the I rack right now,
it's Saturday.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Yeah. And he said, well, you know, he's everyone's favorite
on the show, and that's why you want him to
be in Wicked so badly, and that's why, you know,
so we need him to be in the show. But
if you can work something out, and we did and
we did, but that.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Was what he really said.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
The power of Mariana. She got what she wanted.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Can we talk a little bit about Michelle Yo we can.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yes, this might be controversial because I think a lot
of people really liked her in that matter morrible role. However,
that is the antagonist. This is our key evil person
in this movie. I just didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Believe it same. I completely agree. I actually feel the
same for Jeff Goldblu and I think they are both
incredible actors. I have seen them in so many films
and they nail it and they're brilliant, and I have
nothing but respect for what they do. I just don't
feel like they were suited to these roles. I didn't
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buy it.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
And again, it's such a shame because I do love
both of them as actors, but I definitely feel the
same way.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Although generally the consensus amongst critics has been that both
of them were still quite powerful and good in those roles,
so maybe it's just us as.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It went on in line with the rest of the crew.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
So let's talk a bit about Oscar buzz. So what
do you guys think about this? Which is from the
executive editor of awards coverage at The Hollywood Reporter, Scott Feinberg.
So he says both women are excellent in the film,
but Arrivo in the Best Actress race will be up
against stiffer competition because she's up against Hamnet'z, Jesse Buckley
and sentimental values Renata Rainsvey. But Ariana Grande, he says,
(12:32):
is the new and clear front runner for Best Supporting
Actress because between the two Wicked films, she's given this
tour de force performance that the Academy has a hard
time resisting in that category. Especially, so he said, like,
think about Jennifer Hudson for Dreamgirls, Ariana DeVos for West
Side Story, and Zoe Saldana for Amelia Perez. They all
won those categories, and he's saying this pairing of an
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actress and a partner musical, thinks the Academy will find
that hard to resist. Do you guys agree? Do you
think she's getting an oscar?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
This will be a very very key time for her
between now and Oscars. You just have to look back
at Eddie Murphy when he did the dream Girls movie
and was up for an Oscar. Everyone was really pushing
for him to get an Oscar. Between the movie's release
and the Oscars, he did Norbert and he fell.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
The whole thing fell apart.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
So the next few months are going to be very
key for Ariana to really keep on the Wicked train.
But I do think she can get this because I
was blown away by her performance. She is Glinda. Actually,
I think she's more Glinda than she is Ariana. Now
she's turned, she's fully turned into Glinda.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
This view her as Glenda.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
She's Glinda now you watch her interviews and she is her.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, she's really embodied that character. What do you think,
breedy reckon? She's an oscar win her.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I do, and I really really want to see her
take it out. I think she deserves that. I think
Ariana is one of the hardest working people in the
entertainment industry. She has always worked her butt off in
her career as a singer, as a pop star, and
we have seen her churn out album after album and
they are hits, like solid, solid hits. That is something
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that really came across in the times that I have
experien sperienced her albums coming out, working at magazines like
Dolly where we had her on the cover when Dangerous
Woman came out. She is all about the hard work
she puts in those hours, and she clearly did it
for this. I also think what's really interesting is what
you said about how between now and the Oscars is
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a really key time because the Oscars, we know, is
not just about the performance that you give in the film,
it's also about how you present yourself in the lead
up to the Oscars. Something that's really key that I've
noticed in this promo cycle for Wicked that wasn't last
promo cycle is that she's brought on Law Roach to
dress her.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
And are we talking about the black dress.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Everything that she has worn has been unbelievable, so many
archival things that she's wearing on red carpets everywhere. They're
not doing as much press for this one. We can
all see that. We know that, but that is very
strategic to bring on Law, who famously is Zendaya's stylist.
Girly wants that osc.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, and Law was her stylist before that.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
They kind of took a little break from each other,
came back together and creatively have been really working on this.
And you're talking about some archival stuff. The black, really
ruffled dress that she wears at the London premiere that
was archival from the original costume designer of The Wizard
of Oz, not for the Wizard of Oz obviously specifically,
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but for a different movie that he did.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
But that's how deep they are going.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So this second installment had so much less in terms
of the whole press buzz in the lead up to
the movie. Why do we think there was such a
significant difference If we think.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
About the first movie that was introducing a new audience
to the Wicked universe, because the two viewers for this
movie are going to be original super fans of Wicked,
of the stage show, and then it's going to be
bringing new people in. So having that press run of
really getting that marketing out. We saw the Wicked premiere
last year in Sydney. They flew the stars out, absolutely
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insane the amount of money that they poured into it.
Then there's a full year break between the two movies.
You don't want to get that fatigue if you keep
pushing it. Also, the content of this particular movie is
much darker, it's much more serious, it's much more dramatic.
They want to get that residual heat from the first
movie and bring it through to the second one and
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rely on the fact that people are already invested from
the first one without giving them sort of a sense
of fatigue by pushing it so hard.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
So coming up next. There's been a book, there's been
a stage show, there's been two films. You might think
you know a lot about the Wicked universe, but trust me,
we really do. So we're going to get you all
across it. So there's so much that goes into the
law of Wicked that far precedes these films. Brie, I
know you are an absolute super fan who's across all
the iterations of this. Give us a little rundown to
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people who might not know the ins and outs before
seeing the film.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
A Wicked history lesson, if you will.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So, I mean, of course, we know that this has
all been pegged off The Wizard of Oz, the nineteen
thirty nine classic starring Judy Garland. Now Wicked the Musical
was marketed as being here's what happened before Dorothy dropped in,
obviously physically dropping in in the house in the Tornado.
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So what I think a lot of people don't know.
We know that this film is based on Wicked the musical,
which has been hugely successful, came out in two thousand
and three, but there is of course Wicked the Book,
which came out first, and that was in nineteen ninety five.
That's a book by Gregory Maguire, and that is what
the musical was based off. So Stephen Schwartz, who wrote
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the lyrics and the music for Wicked, took it off
this book by Gregory Maguire. Now that book continues on.
There's three more books after that, so who knows. This
may not be the end of what we see from
Wicked films.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
But if you really want full detail, because we always
know that, the book gives you much more detail. If
you've watched these films and you've really enjoyed these films,
that book's available, and so are the ones after that
where you can really immerse yourself into the whole Wicked universe.
We know a lot about the universe of the Wizard
of Oz through to Wicked, which has become canon. You know,
(18:28):
that's become part of it. But there is a person
in the world who I have to say, if I
have say, a degree in Wicked and the Wizard of
Oz universe, she's got fully fledged doctorate, PhD. Whatever you
can rack up. She has been at UNI her entire life,
basically learning all there is to know, and that is
on TikTok the oz vlog. So if you have any
(18:50):
questions about the Wizard of Oz and the Wicked Universe
and find them on TikTok. Yeah, you can find them
on TikTok on the oz vlog.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
So obviously there's been so many different iterations and things
have changed along the way from the two thousand and
three original Broadway stage show to now. So one of
the key changes has been that with the character of
Nessa Rose, who's obviously in a wheelchair, this scene where
Alphaba comes back to see her towards the end of
the movie, she fixes her legs, and it's meant to
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be this whole thing of like, wow, your life is
so much better now, which was quite badly perceived as
a society, you know, we've evolved, and it is seen
as quite ablest, as if how could your life be
great when you're in a wheelchair. It's going to be
so much better if you can walk. So they've now
changed it, and the film does feature this changed version
where she instead gains the ability to fly, because it's
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a magical interpretation rather than just changing her legs. So
that's one of the big differences people have picked.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Up on yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
So in the original stage production, Alphaba casts a spell
on the shoes, which is why the shoes are so significant.
The shoes then allow Nessa Rose to walk, and she
sort of turns into the wicked witch of the East.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
They've changed that. I think they did the right thing
by changing it.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I think that a society we've developed since two thousand
and three and since the original iteration of these books,
and it was a really important point to keep the
Nessa Rose character in the wheelchair rather than changing it.
The director John m chu has said that it was very,
very important to him to have an actual wheelchair user
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in the role of Nessa Rose, and they searched Hyan
Lowe during the casting process to find an actor to
fit this role. And I'm so glad that they did
because it gave us Marissa Bode, who gave a really
strong performance as Nessa Rose, and someone else who has
a really big character change and progression from the first
act to the second act. Although I do feel as
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though it could be if you're not familiar with the
stage show, quite jarring to see her all of a
sudden feel quote unquote evil from act one to Act two.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
It did feel like quite an abrupt change, I do agree.
So one of the other things that to me felt
quite different from the stage version to the film, and
it really stood out to me. It was all I
could talk about after seeing it was as long as
your mind. So that build up that we have between
Fierro and Alphaba and it's meant to be the sex
moment where they have a passionate kiss and they cook
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up for the first time really.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
And making love and a castle baby, well not.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Really in the movie. It was very grated. In the film.
It felt like a very dialed down version. When they
start singing, they're sort of walking around the little area
where Alphabe's living while she's hiding out being a recluse,
and it takes them ages to even really get together
and look each other in the eye and start singing
to each other. Whereas I remember seeing the stage show
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and the really hot, steamy moment of them both being
on their knees and like holding each other, and even
the line where she says for the first time, I
feel wicked. It's so there's so much sexual tension. Now
that was quite different in the film. Do we know
anything about why that was?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
John m chw has spoken to this because this is
a very key part. So he says, the song as
long as your mind. I think it feels sensual, not
because they're like physical, because actually in the stage show
they're much more physical. They're together already from the very
beginning she goes kiss me fiercely. In this movie, they're
actually apart. There's hesitation, they don't even know what the
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other's going to say, we really wanted. Instead of just
a song about them together, it's a song about will
they won't they? How are they going to find each other?
And then through the course of the song, Fierra looks
at the propaganda proclaiming Alphabet as an evil person who
wants to destroy all of Oza's citizens. He looks at
her and he's like, Wow, you've survived all of this
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and you're still kind and.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You are beautiful.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
And I think that intimacy getting them closer in the
song actually makes it feel more sensual, even though they're
not actually physically doing anything.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
See hearing that makes a lot of sense now having
seen it on screen, because I see what they were
trying to do. I don't know that it quite landed
like he's already hopped on a broom and got off
with her. I'm like, I think you're together now, yeah,
but what.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Do you yeah look listening to that. I think that's
nice that that's what they try to do. I don't
think they did it. Firstly, I actually don't think there
was much chemistry between Piero and Alpha. But I felt
a lot more chemistry between Glinda and Phero.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
And I felt more chemistry between Glinda and Alphabet sexually.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Oh absolutely, it just wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Not a criticism of the actors themselves, not at all.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
They're both brilliant. Sometimes there just isn't the chemistry there
between two actors. They can be brilliant, they can be
brilliant in their roles, but there's just that something extra,
that spark, that's spice, that sizzle. It wasn't there. So
that scene did fall a bit flat. Now, there is
obviously a lot of kids going to see this film
as well, so they can say that they were trying
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to the rating. Maybe you know, yes, I do think that,
and no one wants to say that. No director wants
to say, oh, well, there's a lot of kids in
the audience, we can't have a really spicy scene going on.
But that was a bit disappointing.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I think, you know what, I watched them get it
on in the stage show when I was eight, and
I've turned out fine, so I think they could have
put it in the film.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So obviously, this is part two of the two part movies,
and it really did feel like a follow on. We
picked up pretty much right where we left off with
the other one. How do you guys feel that it
impacted you as a viewer watching it over two parts
a year apart?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
That I think is probably one of the most challenging
things about this movie. Obviously we know movie one, act one,
Movie two, act two. The problem with that is Act
one is in itself. It can kind of exist in
its own universe. You can watch the first half and
be okay, obviously you want to know what happens after
defining Gravity, but.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
That is still a full movie.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Act two I don't think can exist on its own
as well. So I would say that the second movie
really does need to be watched directly after the first one.
So if you've gone to the movies, you watched it
and you felt a little bit like confused, go home,
watch the first one and then rewatch the second one,
and I think you'll have a much better experience because
there are a lot of throw back little things that
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happen in the first movie. I a first act that
you need for the second act. One of my favorite
ones is in Dancing through Life when Fierra says life
is brainless for the brainless, and then he turns into
the Scarecrow, who is brainless because the scarecrow doesn't have
a brain.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, you know, I like you need that. I mean,
I know that's a very obvious one.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
But for those people who didn't see the stage show
and then were surprised to see Fierro turn into the Scarecrow,
all you didn't need to do is listen to Dancing
through Life.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, there's a little easter egs.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I also think coming off the crescendo of defying gravity
towards the end of part one and being left there,
when you watch that in the stage show and then
you go away for your twenty minutes, you're like raring
to get back into it. We almost needed a little
bit of defying gravity or something at the start to
launch us back into that story. Did you have a
similar feelings.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So well, yes, very much so, And controversially, and I
haven't spoken to either of you about that. I actually
think they should have just done one film.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
I oh, okay, sorry, No, I am not one to
complain about a long movie that is based on a
stage show.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I love me some theater. Give me it all. I
want to get all of it, give me six hours
of it. But I do tend to agree.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah, And I'm sorry Wicked fans, Please don't kill.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
No, but we are Wicked fans. And I would have
loved to have seen a much tighter edit and to
be one film rather than two films. And that was
my biggest takeaway from it. I do think it hits
all the right notes. In the first film, I loved it.
I really really enjoyed that, but I do feel like
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it was just too labored coming into the second film,
and I think it would have been a perfect film
if they had made one film.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
We're also looking at commercially. The songs that have become
the most popular are all in the first act. As
a general rule, the second actor doesn't have as many
popular songs in it, apart from for Good.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Which is so interesting that they called it for Good
because the first one is called Wicked Part one. Now
it makes sense then that you would call the second
one Wicked Part two, but they didn't. They called it
Wicked for Good, which when I heard that, I thought
was strange. But we know that the biggest songs are
all in Part one, with the exception of for Good,
So I feel like it was kind of named that
to say, hey, guys, guess what. There still is a
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really really great song and you have to like wait
it out, but it's worth it when you get to it.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yeah, we've got some great reprises though you know, I'm
not that girl reprise. Yeah, you know, that's a really
wonderful song. It's actually one of my favorite songs from
the whole musical. We get that reprise from Ariana, and
I think that that's really powerful.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I did find when I saw the first one, I
mean I had to like closel Yeah, I had to
shut myself up, you know. And actually a few seats
down from me was a friend who leaned across and said,
you singing this and I'm going to kill you, so
you know, and it was hard, whereas this one, I
kind of joked walking into it, like sorry if I
sing I didn't see it, and I didn't feel the urge.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I do agree with you about the titling, though, because
as a can consuma that to me because I was thinking,
what happens again in the lotter half of it that
I need to get excited about, and then you're like, oh,
the friendship ark, the pivotal moment where they're going to
look at each other with tear phild eye. So I
think that was quite smart titling on their behalf. Now,
when you think about Wicked, you really think about all
the creative elements that go into it, because the creativity
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in these films is off the charts. So next we
are going to get into the behind the scenes of
all the creative elements and the production of Wicked for good.
So I reckon, let's start off with the costumes, because
I don't know about you guys, but I thought they
were a huge standout in the highlight absolute highlights.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
For me, if there was a good reason to do
two films, it was for the costumes that we got
to see in this film alone, especially the ones that
Ariana wore. They were out of this world.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
There's some really interesting quotes from the costume designer Paul
Tay aswell about Glinda's wardrobe and how we're seeing her
mature into womanhood and also the pawn of good for
the Emerald City, and that she's being manipulated into an
icon of goodness. And he said he wanted her to
really look fit for royalty. He said it was this
idea of Dior meets Marie Antoinette, and he said she
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had this level of power yet also this soft and
feminine quality to her. And there are a lot of
layered fabrics with Tuele and Organza. And at the start
of the second film, she descends from her bubble for
the first time and she's in this blue and lilac
fairytale gown and he said that its silhouette is inspired
by the dress that Billy Burke wears as Glinda in
The Wizard of Oz. So so much law going into
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the costuming there isn't that amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I think one thing that I think is really important
to point out is the costume designer obviously nails it
in both films and was one of the only Oscars
that Wicked won for the first film. The costume designer,
Paul Tazewell, also has a history as not so much
a film costumer, but a theater costumer, which I think
is really interesting to bring that here, and I think
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that's why he's absolutely nailed it and done such a
great job. It's the theatrics which was so important to
bring to the camera, those like huge, huge gowns that
are made to be seen in a theater that wouldn't
necessarily always be brought into a film, but in this
film really gave it that wicked quality.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Now, Bray, you also were very eagle eyed. Oh, in
the first movie versus the second one, Can.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
You tell us what you found? Because I need people
to know their okay.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So in the first film, there's the rack that's in
front of Elpheber's little corner of Glinda's dorm, where it's
racked up with dresses, mostly by a British label called
Needle and Thread. Now, I recognize a lot of those dresses.
I actually had two of those dresses and my bestie
had a couple of them too.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Go get her in the film.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Now, I noticed in this film at the beginning, there's
a moment where Glinda is carrying a dress and it's
one of those Needle and Thread dresses from the first film.
And then you do see her wardrobe briefly in this film. God,
I would have loved to have had a really good,
sticky beat through it. But what I did notice, and
they flashed into her wardrobe was I saw a lot
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of the outfits that she wore in the first one
hanging in the wardrobe, including that iconic robe that she
wears when she sings popular. So I love that Glinda's
an outfit repeater and she holds onto things sustainable queen.
But I think it's interesting that Paul referenced Marie Antoinette
because Marie Antoinette had that position of power, but it
was an illusion of power. She didn't actually have any
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true power, and we do get that sense with Glinda
as well. So those big kind of French fifteenth century
sunking era gowns that she wore that were inspired by
that look that Marie Antoinette wore. I think that correlation
is really interesting that he made and that he specifically
said Marie Antoinette meets do your yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Well, I mean, Glinda is the mouthpiece for oz now
and she's been thrust into this position of being the
face of it and damning Alphaba.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So it makes a lot of sense yes, and that
kind of presented to everyone, all dialed up that illusion
of perfection.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
As well, I need to talk about Boch turning into
the Tin Man. When I saw Ethan Slater as the
tin Man for the first time, I gasped. I thought
it was absolutely spectacular. It was incredibly true to the
original tin Man that we had in the nineteen thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
The original costume designer of the Wizard of Oz was
a man called Adrian Adolph Greenberg, and he created the
tin Man costume. I loved that they kept the essence
of the tin Man with more cgi and a little
bit more detailed, but it was so true to the
original tin Man and it made me very, very very happy.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I absolutely agree. And I also have to say Ethan
Slater was brilliant in this film. He did a great job,
but the way he moved as the tin Man was
unreal as well. You said you had to talk about
the tin Man. Yeah, you know who I need to
talk about now.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's Scarecrow. I know it is scary. It is scary.
It is actually really really scary because what they did,
and I do think this is the best way to
describe it. They upholstered a burlap sack to Jonathan Bailey's
beautiful face in an effort, I think to keep him
looking beautiful, but it just looked utterly ridiculous. I think
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they tried to make him hot. Yes, because Jonathan Bailey
is hot.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Sexius man alive, obviously people's sexiest man alive. You know
what is not hot?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Jonathan Bailey as the scarecrow, plastered onto his face like that.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I was really.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Excited when I saw Bok as the tin Man because
I thought, oh my gosh, they're going to do the
Scarecrow in a elevated nod to the original. I was
really excited about it, but it felt very cgi, was
very artificial, and we only saw a few glimpses of him.
It was very very quick, and I'm wondering if there
were more scenes shot with Jonathan Bailey as the Scarecrow
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with like him in full phase, because basically they don't
show his face right until the very end.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
We only see the of the back of him.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I'm wondering if they shot more and then removed it
then realized the error of their ways when they saw
what he actually looked like. I'm glad they didn't show
more of him because, I mean, you girls were sitting
next to me.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I was struggling to hold it together.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Well, I did I hold it together. I was laughing
so hard at such an emotional scene because of how
horrendous the scarecrow looked that I nearly had to excuse
myself and walk out. So it just was the only
to me failing on the costume.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Yeah, and it's interesting because Cynthia Orrivo has talked very
openly about when they first started production for Wicked, they
basically gave her two options. They said, you can either
paint yourself green every day, or we can do it
in CGI, and she said, I want you to paint
me every day because I want to look into a
mirror and see alphabet.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I want to be her. I don't want to do
it post.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I'm wondering if they gave the same option to Jonathan Bailey,
and he said you did They say, I don't want
to sit and make up for ten hours.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
So is there anything from the actual creative team about
why they did it?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yes, there is. Actually they said they particularly wanted to
keep Jonathan Bailey's face shape, So say they wanted to
make the Scarecrow sexy. We also kept his nice teeth
and natural eye color, which is interesting because he wears
contacts as Fierro, so it was interesting to then make
that choice as the Scarecrow to keep his natural eye color.
Whether it was because, as you pointed out earlier, a
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lot of people don't know that Fierro turns into the Scarecrow,
so maybe it was like a sort of call out
to people who weren't aware, like newcolors to the movie,
to see connection between it being Jonathan Bailey. Then for
the head element, which we haven't got to yet, but
the straw hair, I put masses of gold blonde through
his look as Fierro, which we did see that kind
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of beautiful caramel color on Jonathan Bailey, which carried onto
the Scarecrow in a straw colored wig. This is not
a wig that anyone will be, you know, rushing out
to buy. I don't think. And it says that kept
Piero attractive because Alfabra and he fall in love.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
She's green, It's fine, like she went.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
My whole point of his movie is to not care
about looks.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
But that's only the case for Alfebra. Apparently maybe the.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Timing sexist, like reverse sexism.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Maybe the timing of Sexiest Man Alive coming out they
knew it was coming. He was like, doesn't really work
with my image. I've got to be a bit of
a hot scarecrow.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I don't know, I don't know. Maybe it did, but
unfortunately it didn't.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Land It was really sad. I was really disappointed. It
made the end funny, which it's not supposed it's not
supposed to be funny. It's them escaping for their lives together.
They're leaving oz and having a life together, and it
takes you out.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I do love this movie.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I definitely think it's worth seeing, but that really took
me out.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, I'm hoping that we do get to see a
lot of people next Halloween trying to emulate the scare
Crow and seeing if anyone can actually pull it off
being sexy, because I do feel like if Jonathan Bailey
can't pull it off, Heidi Gloom.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I'm sorry, sorry, have you not gone into like a
party shop and seen like the sexiestcare plea? They've got
sexy scarecrow costume, put him in his short skirt look gorgeous. Yeah,
so before we get onto talking about Alphaba's costumes in
this particular, I want to just quickly put in a
little tidbit here that I found. Cynthia Rivo says she
wore the same scent every day for her character as
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Alphaba to help her get into character. Like you, how
smell really helps you connect to things. She got it
from a brand called Verreo, and the scent is called
witchy Woo.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I love that. Isn't that wonderful?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
So see her doing that with her big nails, so good.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
And she's like, I thought this was so on the
nose when I saw it, but then the scent was
really great. But if you guys want to wear Alphabu's perfume,
it's Verreo and it's called witchi Wu.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
You can get it in terime for Christmas.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Love that.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I think it's easy to gloss over her costumes in
comparison to Glinda, because obviously Glinda's are so ostentatious. She
kind of her whole thing is being green, and then
she wears black. The costume designers sort of talked a
little bit about how as she withdraws further into the
forest and into herself, we see her signature black cloak
deteriorate and become increasingly distressed. And her tunic is the
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dress that she wears at the end of Wicked, and
her duster coat is actually her raincoat from that first
film too, and he says that seeing them degrade is
to see her shed all that society has put onto her,
to realize herself in a very honest and authentic way.
So sort of everything that's happening to her clothes as
the film progresses is synonymous with what's happening for her internally.
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What did you guys make of her costumes?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I loved her costumes. I thought they were so fashion
and so dark, and I felt like I could see
what was on that mood board. I could see a
lot of Rick Owens. I could see Alexander McQueen when
Alexander McQueen was there, and you know, when Lee McQueen
was designing for his own label, and it was just
like dark, moody, lots of tears, There's lots of you know,
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lace work and things like that. It was just so deconstructed,
which makes sense. And what you're saying about her kind
of shedding that upness that she had in the first film,
and obviously they're at college. In the first film, there's
a sort of uniform vibe to what they're doing and
she's trying so hard to fit in, and now that
she's not, you know, we're seeing that in her costumes,
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which was just epic. One costume I do want to
point out is the sexy kind of underwear vibe that
she wears with the cardigan long matted, kind of knitted
cardian in as Long as Your Mind in As Long
as your Mind, And you don't really get to see
much of it in the film, but I did see
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a still shot of it today and the work in
it is incredible. So everything's so well thought out.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
You can also see a lot of like punk influences totally. Yeah,
it's so appropriate, you know, those punk influences are perfect
because punk was all about, you know, standing up against
the establishment, which is caught the Alphabet character.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah. I feel like she wouldn't be out of place
breaking into song, like getting up a band, especially in.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
That well she does break into song, monitor I guess that.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Is what she said.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well, speaking of breaking into song, there are two original
songs in part two. We didn't have any original music
in part one, but this one features one for Ariana
Grande which is the girl in the bubble.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Beudo with a beuiful life, Such a beautiful life, Little tongue.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Lies, and one sung by Cynthia Riva which is no
place like Home, when she's rallying the animals to stand
up against the establishment and join her in the fight.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
There's no.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
And you know I'm a wicked witch of the West.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
For me, these songs, they were interesting. I mean, I
appreciate that the creative team would have wanted to put
their own spin on things. I'm not sure they quite
landed for me in comparison, when you have these amazing
original songs already ready to go, what did you guys
think of those scenes?
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Well, so, Stephen Schwartz actually did write these songs as well,
So it's the original music and lyrics from the original composer.
The reason that they've put these in, and it's very clear,
is so that they are eligible for Oscars.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
That's the calling, Yeah, because they can't enter the old
songs into that Best New Song category they're not new songs.
But here we've got two packaged up new songs, and
by honestly, two of the best singers that are in
the game right now. So I hope we do get
to see the girls up on stage at the Oscars
singing them. I don't necessarily think they'll be winning them.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
I think it's also one of those things where it
might be a repeat listen. We're so used to the
original soundtrack that it can be a bit jarring to
hear something out of it. People who haven't seen the
stage show or know the music, it would not feel
out place.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I agree. I just also don't think that they were standouts.
So yeah, I am not desperate to listen to them
over and over and over, the same way that the
first time I saw the musical, I walked out and
needed to listen to define gravity immediately, for good, immediately,
popular immediately. These aren't ones that I'm grasping for straight
away to listen to.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Ariana Grande has actually said that she liked singing the
Girl in the Bubble because it was almost a way
for her to shed and explore her character more on stage,
rather than it would have happened in the wings in
the stage show. But in the movie she can kind
of do that more in front of the cameras. Fleshed
out a little bit.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
John M.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Shue has said about the song, what happens when you're
someone like Glinda who has the bubble of protection where
you don't ever have to deal with the truth if
you don't want to, are you able to pop your
bubble of privilege?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
He's very good at explaining his reasons.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Explain has helped me get there.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
It helps me get there too.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
I understand it, and we get the metaphor of popping
the bubble. But yeah, Glinda has lived this privilege a
whole life, and she's forced to actually see what the
consequences of her actions are.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
So I understand the concept of it.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
I don't think it feels out of place, but I
don't think it will be winning any.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, I don't think it necessarily adds to it in
the way that they were probably hoping it would add
to it. But I do like that both women get
their own song and their own moment, because for a
lot of people coming to see Wicked for the first time,
Cynthia and Ariana will forever be Glinda and Alpheba to
so many people, so it is nice that they did
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get their own moment and their own song. That wasn't
them doing something that has been done before?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Can we just do a quick shout out to the
Cowardly Lion?
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Of course Coleman Domingo, which was a great little cameo.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Very cute casting, That's all I have to say.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
But I just wanted to shout out his name because
I love him. But yes, we got the Cowardly Lion
was Calemen Domingo.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
And there was one casting decision people were talking about
so much in the lead up to this, and that
was who was going to play Dorothy in the field.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Not that it ended up.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Mattering, because you know, they keep her face hidden, we
don't actually get to see her, but there was so
much speculation so people thought it could be Alicia ware, Dove, Cameron,
Mattie Ziegler. People were saying Taylor Swift, Like I was like,
as if Taylor Swift's going to come and be Dorothy
and Wicked. There was so much being thrown around about it.
Did you guys, were you thinking about who was going
to be Dorothy?
Speaker 2 (44:31):
No, definitely not. And I think anyone who loves and
knows Wicked knows that actually Dorothy doesn't really matter. She
is not the central character here. And I know she's
the reference point for the whole of the Wizard of
Oz universe, of which Wicked is a part of. But
if we hark back to the original tagline of Wicked,
a lot happened before Dorothy dropped in. So well, Dorothy
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does feature in this film, and as you pointed out,
you only see the back of her, because the point
of it is is she's not the focus. She's not
the one driving the story here. She drives the story
going forward after this, But it doesn't matter who plays
Dorothy in this because she's not really a central character.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
The way that they shot it felt very very reminiscent
of those like nineteen thirties forties movies where they do
a little like shadow play, And I really loved that
reference and that it doesn't matter how Dorothy is. She's
completely inconsequential to the story. The only reason that she's
important is because of the shoes, Yeah, because they were able.
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Wants her shoes back because they totally and the only
her house drops on the Wicked Witch of the East,
which we know. The other thing that I thought was
really interesting when people were debating about who it was
going to be, I thought, well, I actually can't think
right now of a lot of standout child stars that
you would put in this role, because let's not forget
Dorothy gaale Is.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I think like a fourteen year old young girl. She's young, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
she's not an adult. So if you're looking around now,
it's not like there are a whole heap of standout
child stars in the way that there were, say ten
years ago, when like you, merely Bobby Browns and stuff
were young. So I thought it was really interesting that
people were sort of clamoring to think who would play
that role because I couldn't even really think of someone
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that was famous, you know, for me, it would have
had to have been a newcomer anyway.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, and I agree that there aren't a lot of
child stars at the moment that would come to mind,
which is probably why all the fan theories were about
adult actors. Yeah, because as you were saying, Millie, Bobby
Brown like back in the day, would have been Dakota
Fanning or one.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Of those big absolutely, well, they would have made.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
The role bigger just to showcase said stuff. But given
in the film we don't actually see their face, it
sort of ended up being a bit of a non issue.
One thing that we do see the face of which
we I think all thought was quite cute when we
watched it, were the number of Ossie Adams seemed to feature. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it. They spected.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yeah, and I don't even think we noticed them just
because we're Australian and that we were looking for them.
They really get a starring role in the animal Menagerie
that appears in this film, the most gorgeous koala that
gets a lot of screen time of them bowl and
I would say yes, but everybody loves Schoowalas.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
I mean have you guys seen sing It's the core character.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, so that was really fun to see. And of
course you know the land of oz Oz.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
So maybe this is the proof we needed all along
that oz is Australia. I mean, they did their premiere
last time here exactly. There were kangaroos, there were wombats.
What more do we need?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, little wallaby hopping along very cute.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Yeah, but yeah, it was so beautiful to see, you know, kangaroo, wombats,
all that Ossie representation in there was a cute little
tipbit for us and just in general, this movie is
a beautiful feast for the eyes. Like everywhere you look,
the world is just brought to life in such a beautiful,
magic way, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
Well, we know that they grew all those tulips, We
know that the amount of work that went into these sets.
It kind of makes me think about the amount of
detail they put into it. I would pay serious money
to do a set visit.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Absolutely. I would love to see it behind the scenes
that really showed off the sets and the costumes and.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
The detail like the d because you just snow I've
seen Hollywood productions behind the scenes before. The amount of
detail they put on on the shelves in the background
where no one will ever see, there will be key details.
Can someone please do it? I will go to a
theme park that is Wicked themed. I want to walk
in munchkin Land. Yeah, you know what I really want
to explore is that epic gothic castle that alphab.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Goes to Glinda's wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Well, like, I could be happy there.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I would just leave me there, set up shop there.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Well, they do it for Harry Potter with Universal Studios,
and absolutely so I wouldn't be surprised if we do
see that happen done.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I got a Wicked ride would be so good.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, an entire Wicked Land would be epic and take
my money. I'm there, I would be so there.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
So just to bring things to a head, I know
we have some positive thoughts and some negative thoughts. But
out of five, casenya, what are we giving Wicked for good?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
This is really hard? Four out of five? Okay?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Solid?
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Brie to preface it by saying the first film, I
would give four and a half out of five.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Oh it's coming.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
What's she gonna say?
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Two and a half.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Two and a half, Okay, See, I'm giving it because
it could have been terrible, And I still would have
given it four out of five because I still love
because I'm so invested in universe. I understand where you're
coming from, Bree. I really do like would you have
been more sad if it wasn't there? Like they just didn't.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
I still wish they had just done one solid, perfect film.
A five out of five star film is what I
would have liked. Just one, all right, well, let.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Us know about you, hang on, don't.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Close up just this well, I would have given the
first film a five, and this film A three and
a half, so a little bit of a drop off there,
but I'm not quite as harsh as Bree. Let us
know in the comments what you guys thought we could
feel good rated out of five because we're curious to
see if you agree with us. But thank you so
much for tuning in to this special one off episode
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Welcome to the Spiller's Watch Party, where we unpack the
biggest shows and movies that the whole world is talking about.
My name is manitiaus Warren. I'm the executive producer of
Mamma MIA's entertainment podcast, The Spill, and today I'm joined.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
By Cassania Lukitch.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I'm one of the hosts of the Spill and I'm
also a theater and Wicked super.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Fan, and I'm Bree Player, the executive producer of Mamma
MIA's interview podcast, No Filter. I'm also a massive Broadway fan,
which led me to be a huge Wicked fan. I
also have a background in women's magazines, where I have
had the opportunity to interview Ariana Grande and the o
G stars of the stage production of Wicked, Idina Menzel
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and Christian Chenoweth.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
We're very jealous and we can't wait to hear all
about it. So we have all been counting down the
days to this one. The release of Wicked for Good,
which arguably the most anticipated film of twenty twenty five,
and now it's out in the world, so it's time
for us to do a proper watch party deep dive.
So we're going to talk about everything the film, the
incredible costumes, the set, the critical reception, and the law
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that really only true Wicked fans will appreciate, so lucky
we have two of them here, and we're also going
to get into any of the juicy nuggets from the
press run and the easter eggs the Internet can't stop
talking about, and who we think were the standout performances.
So there's obviously going to be spoilers ahead. If you
haven't seen Wicked for Good, hit pause, go watch it,
and then come back for the ultimate post movie debrief.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Because Sury is the good.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
It's the work a way.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
You can weave that wand all you want, but you
have no real power.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
I'm a public figure now people expect me to fly,
be encouraging.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Goes because it helps, and it's flying through the skuy.
I'm lo have to see the Wizard.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
So let's start things off by chatting about the standout
performances in the film, and particularly the ones that we
think are generating oscar buzz. We all sort of agree.
There was one big standout, Am I right and thinking, Ariana.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Grande absolutely missus. Ariana Grande killed it. This is her film,
without a doubt, this is her film. I think both
girls were head to head in the first film, but
to me, Ariana was really the key performer in this.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
She really was born to play this role. And we
know that.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
You know, before the first film came out, we saw
her auditioning for this part. We saw how excited she
was meeting Kristin Chenna with backstage, and this has been
such a huge part of her life and you can
really see that on screen because the passion she has
for this particular character, for Glinda Glinda in the first
one Glinda, which she changes her name, is so obvious
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and she embodies it. The nuance performances she has in
this particular movie is really really remarkable, and we're not
the only ones that think that.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
The critics have been saying this as well.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
That's obviously down to her performance, but also, Bree, do
you think there's potentially more for Glinda's character arc in
this second installment?
Speaker 5 (03:38):
I do?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I do? I think in the first film, we saw
that happen for Alphaba for her character. I did feel
like Cynthia didn't have as much story up to work
with in this one. It's quite you know, from start
to finish of for Good. Her character doesn't change as
much as say, what Glinda goes through in this film,
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So I think Ariana had so much to work with.
There's definitely less humor in this film than there was
in the first one, but the parts of humor that
you do see in this film are all down to Ariana,
and they're the bits that she gets to perform.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Glinda's character at the end of the first movie. That's
kind of a loss of her innocence. That's the loss
of her the bursting of a bubble, if you will.
This is her change, This is her going Okay, I
can't just be superficial anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I can't just be popular.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I have to actually do things for good and be
a better person.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And how am I going to do that when Madame Morrible.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Is asking me to do one thing and then my
friendship with Alphaburr is trying to do something else?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Is so much text there to work with.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, and a lot more tension for her as well,
So that's why we really got to see Ariana flex
her acting chops more in this one than the others.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
It is interesting because we know that the films were
shot back to back. As I understand it, Cynthia Arriva
was saying, they had like big mood boards of where
their characters were at certain points in the film. So
one day they're shooting as long as You're Mine, and
then the next day she's shooting popular, so they have
to go back and forth the lot. So that would
have been really challenging for all of the actors in
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the movies. But yes, you're right, Ariana does have so
much more to work with.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
One scene where I thought they were both quite equal,
which I think we have to talk about because it's
the title of the film is for Good. The beautiful
friendship song that they sing and I think move people
to tears in the theater we were in Brie. You've
actually interviewed the og Broadway cast who made that song
so powerful? What can you tell us about what it
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was like when you spoke to Adina Menzel and Kristin Chenoweth.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
When I interviewed Didina Menzl, which was not actually for Wicked.
It was for Frozen because as we know powerhouse singer,
she also is the voice of Elsa. I spoke to
her about Wicked because you cannot speak to the icon
that is Adina Menzil, who originated the role of Alpha
Ba without speaking to her about all things Wicked. I
do remember extensively, particularly talking to aDNA about it, and
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she has so much love for Alphaba. I mean, we
obviously got to see them both here in that first film,
which was so nice that there was that callback and
that they were part of that whole experience. So I think,
you know, for both of them, those characters like live
within them. And I think what we've seen as well
from Cynthia and Ariana, the tattoos, the way that they're dressing,
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I think that anyone who plays these characters. And actually
I want to give a shout out to Jemma Rix,
who played Alpha Ba for quite a long time in Australia,
because I've interviewed her too. So I think when people
play these characters, these iconic characters, what they relate to
and what they find parts of themselves in is that
female friendship and that bond. Well we don't see enough
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of that I think, particularly in theater, they're often love stories.
There is obviously love stories in Wicked, but that's not
the central story. So that female friendship is what we
relate to as viewers. But I think what the people
that play Glinda and Alpha Bar That's why they form
such strong bonds. And that's when you see a really
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good stage or in this case, film production, where you
can see that bond between not only the characters but
the actors.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Did you guys see Wicked One Wonderful Night?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I have y?
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah, So Wicked One Wonderful Night. It's actually streaming on
Channel seven now if you haven't seen it yet. So
it was a television special that they did right before
the launch of Wicked for Good as part of the
marketing campaign, and they did a number of the songs.
It was really, really incredible. I'd really encourage you to
watch it if you haven't. And Adina, Christen, Cynthia and
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Ariana all sung for Good together, and that to show
that female friendship across the generations of people who've performed
these really iconic characters is really special.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But that song, that song is.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
The penultimate song of this movie, and it is so
important and They definitely didn't disappoint in the movie.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
No, they definitely really pulled that off, and there was
so much pressure for them to do that when they've
title the movie after that song. So obviously, Cynthia and
Ariana were absolutely amazing. What did we think of the
supporting cast and how they carried their roles by comparison?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
It was really hard when Cynthia and Ariana are so
wildly talented and so in their roles that there was
a mix of how I felt about certain actors playing
certain roles. Some did a great job in the role
that they were in. Jonathan Bailey did a great job.
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There were others that I didn't necessarily think were as good,
but coming up in any scene with Cynthia or Ariana,
no one else in the cast quite matched it. One
thing I do want to say, though, who I think
was brilliant is Bowen Yang. I love bow and Yang.
He's great, He's brilliant. I loved seeing him in this.
He's so talented that he was underutilized, which the role
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is a small role.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
That's a broduct to the fact that the second act
is so much darker than the first, and bow and
Yang's strength is in his ability to be funny and
his comedic timing, and he's actually very good singer, surprisingly,
But you're right he was under utilized. He really does
steal the screen when we see him. But I understand
why they didn't utilize him as much in this second
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movie because it's not really the space.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
No, there's not neat But what I do hope and
I think will happen is we will see Bowen in
films going forward a lot more, which is great. That's
if Lawn allows him.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Arianna spoke about how she really campaigned for him to
be in this movie because he was going to have
some conflicting projects with FNL and he wasn't going to
be able to make the time to be on the show,
and he really wanted to do it, so she personally
called up SNL's executive producer, Lawn Michaels to get him
in and make sure he was in the show.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Who's notoriously scary and doesn't let anyone do anything if
they're on mister SNL.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Absolutely, and she does the best impression of him, which
we know Ariana is the master of impressions. But in
that great chat where she talked about how she had
to approach him and basically beg him to release Bowen.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
I initially wasn't going to be in Wicked due to
an SNL conflict. And you called this person to ask
him to let me do it. Oh?
Speaker 7 (10:20):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (10:21):
Did he give you any pushback?
Speaker 7 (10:23):
Yes? He said hello, loriotor what do you want? And
I said, Hi, Laura, Oh my goodness, I miss you.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's so good to speak to you.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I miss you.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
And he said, here's what's going on?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And I said, I would.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Love I would do anything if we could make it
happen for Bowen to come being Wick.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
And he said, well, you know, I mean, the reason
why you want this is fine? Should I stand the sense?
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Memory?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Is?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
I smell the popcorn? I'm in the I rack right now,
it's Saturday.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
Yeah. And he said, well, you know, he's everyone's favorite
on the show, and that's why you want him to
be in Wicked so badly, and that's why, you know,
so we need him to be in the show. But
if you can work something out, and we did and
we did, but that.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Was what he really said.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
The power of Mariana. She got what she wanted.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Can we talk a little bit about Michelle Yo we can.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yes, this might be controversial because I think a lot
of people really liked her in that matter morrible role. However,
that is the antagonist. This is our key evil person
in this movie. I just didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Believe it same. I completely agree. I actually feel the
same for Jeff Goldblu and I think they are both
incredible actors. I have seen them in so many films
and they nail it and they're brilliant, and I have
nothing but respect for what they do. I just don't
feel like they were suited to these roles. I didn't
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buy it.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
And again, it's such a shame because I do love
both of them as actors, but I definitely feel the
same way.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Although generally the consensus amongst critics has been that both
of them were still quite powerful and good in those roles,
so maybe it's just us as.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It went on in line with the rest of the crew.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
So let's talk a bit about Oscar buzz. So what
do you guys think about this? Which is from the
executive editor of awards coverage at The Hollywood Reporter, Scott Feinberg.
So he says both women are excellent in the film,
but Arrivo in the Best Actress race will be up
against stiffer competition because she's up against Hamnet'z, Jesse Buckley
and sentimental values Renata Rainsvey. But Ariana Grande, he says,
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is the new and clear front runner for Best Supporting
Actress because between the two Wicked films, she's given this
tour de force performance that the Academy has a hard
time resisting in that category. Especially, so he said, like,
think about Jennifer Hudson for Dreamgirls, Ariana DeVos for West
Side Story, and Zoe Saldana for Amelia Perez. They all
won those categories, and he's saying this pairing of an
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actress and a partner musical, thinks the Academy will find
that hard to resist. Do you guys agree? Do you
think she's getting an oscar?
Speaker 4 (12:59):
This will be a very very key time for her
between now and Oscars. You just have to look back
at Eddie Murphy when he did the dream Girls movie
and was up for an Oscar. Everyone was really pushing
for him to get an Oscar. Between the movie's release
and the Oscars, he did Norbert and he fell.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
The whole thing fell apart.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
So the next few months are going to be very
key for Ariana to really keep on the Wicked train.
But I do think she can get this because I
was blown away by her performance. She is Glinda. Actually,
I think she's more Glinda than she is Ariana. Now
she's turned, she's fully turned into Glinda.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
This view her as Glenda.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
She's Glinda now you watch her interviews and she is her.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, she's really embodied that character. What do you think,
breedy reckon? She's an oscar win her.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I do, and I really really want to see her
take it out. I think she deserves that. I think
Ariana is one of the hardest working people in the
entertainment industry. She has always worked her butt off in
her career as a singer, as a pop star, and
we have seen her churn out album after album and
they are hits, like solid, solid hits. That is something
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that really came across in the times that I have
experien sperienced her albums coming out, working at magazines like
Dolly where we had her on the cover when Dangerous
Woman came out. She is all about the hard work
she puts in those hours, and she clearly did it
for this. I also think what's really interesting is what
you said about how between now and the Oscars is
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a really key time because the Oscars, we know, is
not just about the performance that you give in the film,
it's also about how you present yourself in the lead
up to the Oscars. Something that's really key that I've
noticed in this promo cycle for Wicked that wasn't last
promo cycle is that she's brought on Law Roach to
dress her.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
And are we talking about the black dress.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Everything that she has worn has been unbelievable, so many
archival things that she's wearing on red carpets everywhere. They're
not doing as much press for this one. We can
all see that. We know that, but that is very
strategic to bring on Law, who famously is Zendaya's stylist.
Girly wants that osc.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, and Law was her stylist before that.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
They kind of took a little break from each other,
came back together and creatively have been really working on this.
And you're talking about some archival stuff. The black, really
ruffled dress that she wears at the London premiere that
was archival from the original costume designer of The Wizard
of Oz, not for the Wizard of Oz obviously specifically,
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but for a different movie that he did.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
But that's how deep they are going.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So this second installment had so much less in terms
of the whole press buzz in the lead up to
the movie. Why do we think there was such a
significant difference If we think.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
About the first movie that was introducing a new audience
to the Wicked universe, because the two viewers for this
movie are going to be original super fans of Wicked,
of the stage show, and then it's going to be
bringing new people in. So having that press run of
really getting that marketing out. We saw the Wicked premiere
last year in Sydney. They flew the stars out, absolutely
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insane the amount of money that they poured into it.
Then there's a full year break between the two movies.
You don't want to get that fatigue if you keep
pushing it. Also, the content of this particular movie is
much darker, it's much more serious, it's much more dramatic.
They want to get that residual heat from the first
movie and bring it through to the second one and
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rely on the fact that people are already invested from
the first one without giving them sort of a sense
of fatigue by pushing it so hard.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
So coming up next. There's been a book, there's been
a stage show, there's been two films. You might think
you know a lot about the Wicked universe, but trust me,
we really do. So we're going to get you all
across it. So there's so much that goes into the
law of Wicked that far precedes these films. Brie, I
know you are an absolute super fan who's across all
the iterations of this. Give us a little rundown to
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people who might not know the ins and outs before
seeing the film.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
A Wicked history lesson, if you will.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So, I mean, of course, we know that this has
all been pegged off The Wizard of Oz, the nineteen
thirty nine classic starring Judy Garland. Now Wicked the Musical
was marketed as being here's what happened before Dorothy dropped in,
obviously physically dropping in in the house in the Tornado.
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So what I think a lot of people don't know.
We know that this film is based on Wicked the musical,
which has been hugely successful, came out in two thousand
and three, but there is of course Wicked the Book,
which came out first, and that was in nineteen ninety five.
That's a book by Gregory Maguire, and that is what
the musical was based off. So Stephen Schwartz, who wrote
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the lyrics and the music for Wicked, took it off
this book by Gregory Maguire. Now that book continues on.
There's three more books after that, so who knows. This
may not be the end of what we see from
Wicked films.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
But if you really want full detail, because we always
know that, the book gives you much more detail. If
you've watched these films and you've really enjoyed these films,
that book's available, and so are the ones after that
where you can really immerse yourself into the whole Wicked universe.
We know a lot about the universe of the Wizard
of Oz through to Wicked, which has become canon. You know,
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that's become part of it. But there is a person
in the world who I have to say, if I
have say, a degree in Wicked and the Wizard of
Oz universe, she's got fully fledged doctorate, PhD. Whatever you
can rack up. She has been at UNI her entire life,
basically learning all there is to know, and that is
on TikTok the oz vlog. So if you have any
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questions about the Wizard of Oz and the Wicked Universe
and find them on TikTok. Yeah, you can find them
on TikTok on the oz vlog.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
So obviously there's been so many different iterations and things
have changed along the way from the two thousand and
three original Broadway stage show to now. So one of
the key changes has been that with the character of
Nessa Rose, who's obviously in a wheelchair, this scene where
Alphaba comes back to see her towards the end of
the movie, she fixes her legs, and it's meant to
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be this whole thing of like, wow, your life is
so much better now, which was quite badly perceived as
a society, you know, we've evolved, and it is seen
as quite ablest, as if how could your life be
great when you're in a wheelchair. It's going to be
so much better if you can walk. So they've now
changed it, and the film does feature this changed version
where she instead gains the ability to fly, because it's
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a magical interpretation rather than just changing her legs. So
that's one of the big differences people have picked.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Up on yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
So in the original stage production, Alphaba casts a spell
on the shoes, which is why the shoes are so significant.
The shoes then allow Nessa Rose to walk, and she
sort of turns into the wicked witch of the East.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
They've changed that. I think they did the right thing
by changing it.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I think that a society we've developed since two thousand
and three and since the original iteration of these books,
and it was a really important point to keep the
Nessa Rose character in the wheelchair rather than changing it.
The director John m chu has said that it was very,
very important to him to have an actual wheelchair user
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in the role of Nessa Rose, and they searched Hyan
Lowe during the casting process to find an actor to
fit this role. And I'm so glad that they did
because it gave us Marissa Bode, who gave a really
strong performance as Nessa Rose, and someone else who has
a really big character change and progression from the first
act to the second act. Although I do feel as
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though it could be if you're not familiar with the
stage show, quite jarring to see her all of a
sudden feel quote unquote evil from act one to Act two.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
It did feel like quite an abrupt change, I do agree.
So one of the other things that to me felt
quite different from the stage version to the film, and
it really stood out to me. It was all I
could talk about after seeing it was as long as
your mind. So that build up that we have between
Fierro and Alphaba and it's meant to be the sex
moment where they have a passionate kiss and they cook
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up for the first time really.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
And making love and a castle baby, well not.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Really in the movie. It was very grated. In the film.
It felt like a very dialed down version. When they
start singing, they're sort of walking around the little area
where Alphabe's living while she's hiding out being a recluse,
and it takes them ages to even really get together
and look each other in the eye and start singing
to each other. Whereas I remember seeing the stage show
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and the really hot, steamy moment of them both being
on their knees and like holding each other, and even
the line where she says for the first time, I
feel wicked. It's so there's so much sexual tension. Now
that was quite different in the film. Do we know
anything about why that was?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
John m chw has spoken to this because this is
a very key part. So he says, the song as
long as your mind. I think it feels sensual, not
because they're like physical, because actually in the stage show
they're much more physical. They're together already from the very
beginning she goes kiss me fiercely. In this movie, they're
actually apart. There's hesitation, they don't even know what the
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other's going to say, we really wanted. Instead of just
a song about them together, it's a song about will
they won't they? How are they going to find each other?
And then through the course of the song, Fierra looks
at the propaganda proclaiming Alphabet as an evil person who
wants to destroy all of Oza's citizens. He looks at
her and he's like, Wow, you've survived all of this
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and you're still kind and.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You are beautiful.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
And I think that intimacy getting them closer in the
song actually makes it feel more sensual, even though they're
not actually physically doing anything.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
See hearing that makes a lot of sense now having
seen it on screen, because I see what they were
trying to do. I don't know that it quite landed
like he's already hopped on a broom and got off
with her. I'm like, I think you're together now, yeah,
but what.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Do you yeah look listening to that. I think that's
nice that that's what they try to do. I don't
think they did it. Firstly, I actually don't think there
was much chemistry between Piero and Alpha. But I felt
a lot more chemistry between Glinda and Phero.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
And I felt more chemistry between Glinda and Alphabet sexually.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Oh absolutely, it just wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Not a criticism of the actors themselves, not at all.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
They're both brilliant. Sometimes there just isn't the chemistry there
between two actors. They can be brilliant, they can be
brilliant in their roles, but there's just that something extra,
that spark, that's spice, that sizzle. It wasn't there. So
that scene did fall a bit flat. Now, there is
obviously a lot of kids going to see this film
as well, so they can say that they were trying
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to the rating. Maybe you know, yes, I do think that,
and no one wants to say that. No director wants
to say, oh, well, there's a lot of kids in
the audience, we can't have a really spicy scene going on.
But that was a bit disappointing.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I think, you know what, I watched them get it
on in the stage show when I was eight, and
I've turned out fine, so I think they could have
put it in the film.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So obviously, this is part two of the two part movies,
and it really did feel like a follow on. We
picked up pretty much right where we left off with
the other one. How do you guys feel that it
impacted you as a viewer watching it over two parts
a year apart?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
That I think is probably one of the most challenging
things about this movie. Obviously we know movie one, act one,
Movie two, act two. The problem with that is Act
one is in itself. It can kind of exist in
its own universe. You can watch the first half and
be okay, obviously you want to know what happens after
defining Gravity, but.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
That is still a full movie.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Act two I don't think can exist on its own
as well. So I would say that the second movie
really does need to be watched directly after the first one.
So if you've gone to the movies, you watched it
and you felt a little bit like confused, go home,
watch the first one and then rewatch the second one,
and I think you'll have a much better experience because
there are a lot of throw back little things that
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happen in the first movie. I a first act that
you need for the second act. One of my favorite
ones is in Dancing through Life when Fierra says life
is brainless for the brainless, and then he turns into
the Scarecrow, who is brainless because the scarecrow doesn't have
a brain.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, you know, I like you need that. I mean,
I know that's a very obvious one.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
But for those people who didn't see the stage show
and then were surprised to see Fierro turn into the Scarecrow,
all you didn't need to do is listen to Dancing
through Life.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, there's a little easter egs.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I also think coming off the crescendo of defying gravity
towards the end of part one and being left there,
when you watch that in the stage show and then
you go away for your twenty minutes, you're like raring
to get back into it. We almost needed a little
bit of defying gravity or something at the start to
launch us back into that story. Did you have a
similar feelings.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
So well, yes, very much so, And controversially, and I
haven't spoken to either of you about that. I actually
think they should have just done one film.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
I oh, okay, sorry, No, I am not one to
complain about a long movie that is based on a
stage show.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I love me some theater. Give me it all. I
want to get all of it, give me six hours
of it. But I do tend to agree.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah, And I'm sorry Wicked fans, Please don't kill.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
No, but we are Wicked fans. And I would have
loved to have seen a much tighter edit and to
be one film rather than two films. And that was
my biggest takeaway from it. I do think it hits
all the right notes. In the first film, I loved it.
I really really enjoyed that, but I do feel like
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it was just too labored coming into the second film,
and I think it would have been a perfect film
if they had made one film.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
We're also looking at commercially. The songs that have become
the most popular are all in the first act. As
a general rule, the second actor doesn't have as many
popular songs in it, apart from for Good.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Which is so interesting that they called it for Good
because the first one is called Wicked Part one. Now
it makes sense then that you would call the second
one Wicked Part two, but they didn't. They called it
Wicked for Good, which when I heard that, I thought
was strange. But we know that the biggest songs are
all in Part one, with the exception of for Good,
So I feel like it was kind of named that
to say, hey, guys, guess what. There still is a
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really really great song and you have to like wait
it out, but it's worth it when you get to it.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yeah, we've got some great reprises though you know, I'm
not that girl reprise. Yeah, you know, that's a really
wonderful song. It's actually one of my favorite songs from
the whole musical. We get that reprise from Ariana, and
I think that that's really powerful.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I did find when I saw the first one, I
mean I had to like closel Yeah, I had to
shut myself up, you know. And actually a few seats
down from me was a friend who leaned across and said,
you singing this and I'm going to kill you, so
you know, and it was hard, whereas this one, I
kind of joked walking into it, like sorry if I
sing I didn't see it, and I didn't feel the urge.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I do agree with you about the titling, though, because
as a can consuma that to me because I was thinking,
what happens again in the lotter half of it that
I need to get excited about, and then you're like, oh,
the friendship ark, the pivotal moment where they're going to
look at each other with tear phild eye. So I
think that was quite smart titling on their behalf. Now,
when you think about Wicked, you really think about all
the creative elements that go into it, because the creativity
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in these films is off the charts. So next we
are going to get into the behind the scenes of
all the creative elements and the production of Wicked for good.
So I reckon, let's start off with the costumes, because
I don't know about you guys, but I thought they
were a huge standout in the highlight absolute highlights.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
For me, if there was a good reason to do
two films, it was for the costumes that we got
to see in this film alone, especially the ones that
Ariana wore. They were out of this world.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
There's some really interesting quotes from the costume designer Paul
Tay aswell about Glinda's wardrobe and how we're seeing her
mature into womanhood and also the pawn of good for
the Emerald City, and that she's being manipulated into an
icon of goodness. And he said he wanted her to
really look fit for royalty. He said it was this
idea of Dior meets Marie Antoinette, and he said she
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had this level of power yet also this soft and
feminine quality to her. And there are a lot of
layered fabrics with Tuele and Organza. And at the start
of the second film, she descends from her bubble for
the first time and she's in this blue and lilac
fairytale gown and he said that its silhouette is inspired
by the dress that Billy Burke wears as Glinda in
The Wizard of Oz. So so much law going into
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the costuming there isn't that amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I think one thing that I think is really important
to point out is the costume designer obviously nails it
in both films and was one of the only Oscars
that Wicked won for the first film. The costume designer,
Paul Tazewell, also has a history as not so much
a film costumer, but a theater costumer, which I think
is really interesting to bring that here, and I think
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that's why he's absolutely nailed it and done such a
great job. It's the theatrics which was so important to
bring to the camera, those like huge, huge gowns that
are made to be seen in a theater that wouldn't
necessarily always be brought into a film, but in this
film really gave it that wicked quality.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Now, Bray, you also were very eagle eyed. Oh, in
the first movie versus the second one, Can.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
You tell us what you found? Because I need people
to know their okay.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So in the first film, there's the rack that's in
front of Elpheber's little corner of Glinda's dorm, where it's
racked up with dresses, mostly by a British label called
Needle and Thread. Now, I recognize a lot of those dresses.
I actually had two of those dresses and my bestie
had a couple of them too.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Go get her in the film.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Now, I noticed in this film at the beginning, there's
a moment where Glinda is carrying a dress and it's
one of those Needle and Thread dresses from the first film.
And then you do see her wardrobe briefly in this film. God,
I would have loved to have had a really good,
sticky beat through it. But what I did notice, and
they flashed into her wardrobe was I saw a lot
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of the outfits that she wore in the first one
hanging in the wardrobe, including that iconic robe that she
wears when she sings popular. So I love that Glinda's
an outfit repeater and she holds onto things sustainable queen.
But I think it's interesting that Paul referenced Marie Antoinette
because Marie Antoinette had that position of power, but it
was an illusion of power. She didn't actually have any
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true power, and we do get that sense with Glinda
as well. So those big kind of French fifteenth century
sunking era gowns that she wore that were inspired by
that look that Marie Antoinette wore. I think that correlation
is really interesting that he made and that he specifically
said Marie Antoinette meets do your yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Well, I mean, Glinda is the mouthpiece for oz now
and she's been thrust into this position of being the
face of it and damning Alphaba.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So it makes a lot of sense yes, and that
kind of presented to everyone, all dialed up that illusion
of perfection.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
As well, I need to talk about Boch turning into
the Tin Man. When I saw Ethan Slater as the
tin Man for the first time, I gasped. I thought
it was absolutely spectacular. It was incredibly true to the
original tin Man that we had in the nineteen thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
The original costume designer of the Wizard of Oz was
a man called Adrian Adolph Greenberg, and he created the
tin Man costume. I loved that they kept the essence
of the tin Man with more cgi and a little
bit more detailed, but it was so true to the
original tin Man and it made me very, very very happy.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I absolutely agree. And I also have to say Ethan
Slater was brilliant in this film. He did a great job,
but the way he moved as the tin Man was
unreal as well. You said you had to talk about
the tin Man. Yeah, you know who I need to
talk about now.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's Scarecrow. I know it is scary. It is scary.
It is actually really really scary because what they did,
and I do think this is the best way to
describe it. They upholstered a burlap sack to Jonathan Bailey's
beautiful face in an effort, I think to keep him
looking beautiful, but it just looked utterly ridiculous. I think
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they tried to make him hot. Yes, because Jonathan Bailey
is hot.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Sexius man alive, obviously people's sexiest man alive. You know
what is not hot?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Jonathan Bailey as the scarecrow, plastered onto his face like that.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I was really.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Excited when I saw Bok as the tin Man because
I thought, oh my gosh, they're going to do the
Scarecrow in a elevated nod to the original. I was
really excited about it, but it felt very cgi, was
very artificial, and we only saw a few glimpses of him.
It was very very quick, and I'm wondering if there
were more scenes shot with Jonathan Bailey as the Scarecrow
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with like him in full phase, because basically they don't
show his face right until the very end.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
We only see the of the back of him.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I'm wondering if they shot more and then removed it
then realized the error of their ways when they saw
what he actually looked like. I'm glad they didn't show
more of him because, I mean, you girls were sitting
next to me.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I was struggling to hold it together.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Well, I did I hold it together. I was laughing
so hard at such an emotional scene because of how
horrendous the scarecrow looked that I nearly had to excuse
myself and walk out. So it just was the only
to me failing on the costume.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Yeah, and it's interesting because Cynthia Orrivo has talked very
openly about when they first started production for Wicked, they
basically gave her two options. They said, you can either
paint yourself green every day, or we can do it
in CGI, and she said, I want you to paint
me every day because I want to look into a
mirror and see alphabet.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I want to be her. I don't want to do
it post.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I'm wondering if they gave the same option to Jonathan Bailey,
and he said you did They say, I don't want
to sit and make up for ten hours.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
So is there anything from the actual creative team about
why they did it?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yes, there is. Actually they said they particularly wanted to
keep Jonathan Bailey's face shape, So say they wanted to
make the Scarecrow sexy. We also kept his nice teeth
and natural eye color, which is interesting because he wears
contacts as Fierro, so it was interesting to then make
that choice as the Scarecrow to keep his natural eye color.
Whether it was because, as you pointed out earlier, a
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lot of people don't know that Fierro turns into the Scarecrow,
so maybe it was like a sort of call out
to people who weren't aware, like newcolors to the movie,
to see connection between it being Jonathan Bailey. Then for
the head element, which we haven't got to yet, but
the straw hair, I put masses of gold blonde through
his look as Fierro, which we did see that kind
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of beautiful caramel color on Jonathan Bailey, which carried onto
the Scarecrow in a straw colored wig. This is not
a wig that anyone will be, you know, rushing out
to buy. I don't think. And it says that kept
Piero attractive because Alfabra and he fall in love.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
She's green, It's fine, like she went.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
My whole point of his movie is to not care
about looks.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
But that's only the case for Alfebra. Apparently maybe the.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Timing sexist, like reverse sexism.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Maybe the timing of Sexiest Man Alive coming out they
knew it was coming. He was like, doesn't really work
with my image. I've got to be a bit of
a hot scarecrow.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I don't know, I don't know. Maybe it did, but
unfortunately it didn't.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Land It was really sad. I was really disappointed. It
made the end funny, which it's not supposed it's not
supposed to be funny. It's them escaping for their lives together.
They're leaving oz and having a life together, and it
takes you out.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I do love this movie.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I definitely think it's worth seeing, but that really took
me out.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, I'm hoping that we do get to see a
lot of people next Halloween trying to emulate the scare
Crow and seeing if anyone can actually pull it off
being sexy, because I do feel like if Jonathan Bailey
can't pull it off, Heidi Gloom.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I'm sorry, sorry, have you not gone into like a
party shop and seen like the sexiestcare plea? They've got
sexy scarecrow costume, put him in his short skirt look gorgeous. Yeah,
so before we get onto talking about Alphaba's costumes in
this particular, I want to just quickly put in a
little tidbit here that I found. Cynthia Rivo says she
wore the same scent every day for her character as
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Alphaba to help her get into character. Like you, how
smell really helps you connect to things. She got it
from a brand called Verreo, and the scent is called
witchy Woo.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
I love that. Isn't that wonderful?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
So see her doing that with her big nails, so good.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
And she's like, I thought this was so on the
nose when I saw it, but then the scent was
really great. But if you guys want to wear Alphabu's perfume,
it's Verreo and it's called witchi Wu.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
You can get it in terime for Christmas.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Love that.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I think it's easy to gloss over her costumes in
comparison to Glinda, because obviously Glinda's are so ostentatious. She
kind of her whole thing is being green, and then
she wears black. The costume designers sort of talked a
little bit about how as she withdraws further into the
forest and into herself, we see her signature black cloak
deteriorate and become increasingly distressed. And her tunic is the
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dress that she wears at the end of Wicked, and
her duster coat is actually her raincoat from that first
film too, and he says that seeing them degrade is
to see her shed all that society has put onto her,
to realize herself in a very honest and authentic way.
So sort of everything that's happening to her clothes as
the film progresses is synonymous with what's happening for her internally.
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What did you guys make of her costumes?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I loved her costumes. I thought they were so fashion
and so dark, and I felt like I could see
what was on that mood board. I could see a
lot of Rick Owens. I could see Alexander McQueen when
Alexander McQueen was there, and you know, when Lee McQueen
was designing for his own label, and it was just
like dark, moody, lots of tears, There's lots of you know,
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lace work and things like that. It was just so deconstructed,
which makes sense. And what you're saying about her kind
of shedding that upness that she had in the first film,
and obviously they're at college. In the first film, there's
a sort of uniform vibe to what they're doing and
she's trying so hard to fit in, and now that
she's not, you know, we're seeing that in her costumes,
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which was just epic. One costume I do want to
point out is the sexy kind of underwear vibe that
she wears with the cardigan long matted, kind of knitted
cardian in as Long as Your Mind in As Long
as your Mind, And you don't really get to see
much of it in the film, but I did see
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a still shot of it today and the work in
it is incredible. So everything's so well thought out.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
You can also see a lot of like punk influences totally. Yeah,
it's so appropriate, you know, those punk influences are perfect
because punk was all about, you know, standing up against
the establishment, which is caught the Alphabet character.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Yeah. I feel like she wouldn't be out of place
breaking into song, like getting up a band, especially in.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
That well she does break into song, monitor I guess that.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Is what she said.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Well, speaking of breaking into song, there are two original
songs in part two. We didn't have any original music
in part one, but this one features one for Ariana
Grande which is the girl in the bubble.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Beudo with a beuiful life, Such a beautiful life, Little tongue.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Lies, and one sung by Cynthia Riva which is no
place like Home, when she's rallying the animals to stand
up against the establishment and join her in the fight.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
There's no.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
And you know I'm a wicked witch of the West.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
For me, these songs, they were interesting. I mean, I
appreciate that the creative team would have wanted to put
their own spin on things. I'm not sure they quite
landed for me in comparison, when you have these amazing
original songs already ready to go, what did you guys
think of those scenes?
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Well, so, Stephen Schwartz actually did write these songs as well,
So it's the original music and lyrics from the original composer.
The reason that they've put these in, and it's very clear,
is so that they are eligible for Oscars.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
That's the calling, Yeah, because they can't enter the old
songs into that Best New Song category they're not new songs.
But here we've got two packaged up new songs, and
by honestly, two of the best singers that are in
the game right now. So I hope we do get
to see the girls up on stage at the Oscars
singing them. I don't necessarily think they'll be winning them.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
I think it's also one of those things where it
might be a repeat listen. We're so used to the
original soundtrack that it can be a bit jarring to
hear something out of it. People who haven't seen the
stage show or know the music, it would not feel
out place.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I agree. I just also don't think that they were standouts.
So yeah, I am not desperate to listen to them
over and over and over, the same way that the
first time I saw the musical, I walked out and
needed to listen to define gravity immediately, for good, immediately,
popular immediately. These aren't ones that I'm grasping for straight
away to listen to.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Ariana Grande has actually said that she liked singing the
Girl in the Bubble because it was almost a way
for her to shed and explore her character more on stage,
rather than it would have happened in the wings in
the stage show. But in the movie she can kind
of do that more in front of the cameras. Fleshed
out a little bit.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
John M.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Shue has said about the song, what happens when you're
someone like Glinda who has the bubble of protection where
you don't ever have to deal with the truth if
you don't want to, are you able to pop your
bubble of privilege?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
He's very good at explaining his reasons.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Explain has helped me get there.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
It helps me get there too.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
I understand it, and we get the metaphor of popping
the bubble. But yeah, Glinda has lived this privilege a
whole life, and she's forced to actually see what the
consequences of her actions are.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
So I understand the concept of it.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
I don't think it feels out of place, but I
don't think it will be winning any.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, I don't think it necessarily adds to it in
the way that they were probably hoping it would add
to it. But I do like that both women get
their own song and their own moment, because for a
lot of people coming to see Wicked for the first time,
Cynthia and Ariana will forever be Glinda and Alpheba to
so many people, so it is nice that they did
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get their own moment and their own song. That wasn't
them doing something that has been done before?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Can we just do a quick shout out to the
Cowardly Lion?
Speaker 4 (43:50):
Of course Coleman Domingo, which was a great little cameo.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Very cute casting, That's all I have to say.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
But I just wanted to shout out his name because
I love him. But yes, we got the Cowardly Lion
was Calemen Domingo.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
And there was one casting decision people were talking about
so much in the lead up to this, and that
was who was going to play Dorothy in the field.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Not that it ended up.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Mattering, because you know, they keep her face hidden, we
don't actually get to see her, but there was so
much speculation so people thought it could be Alicia ware, Dove, Cameron,
Mattie Ziegler. People were saying Taylor Swift, Like I was like,
as if Taylor Swift's going to come and be Dorothy
and Wicked. There was so much being thrown around about it.
Did you guys, were you thinking about who was going
to be Dorothy?
Speaker 2 (44:31):
No, definitely not. And I think anyone who loves and
knows Wicked knows that actually Dorothy doesn't really matter. She
is not the central character here. And I know she's
the reference point for the whole of the Wizard of
Oz universe, of which Wicked is a part of. But
if we hark back to the original tagline of Wicked,
a lot happened before Dorothy dropped in. So well, Dorothy
(44:54):
does feature in this film, and as you pointed out,
you only see the back of her, because the point
of it is is she's not the focus. She's not
the one driving the story here. She drives the story
going forward after this, But it doesn't matter who plays
Dorothy in this because she's not really a central character.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
The way that they shot it felt very very reminiscent
of those like nineteen thirties forties movies where they do
a little like shadow play, And I really loved that
reference and that it doesn't matter how Dorothy is. She's
completely inconsequential to the story. The only reason that she's
important is because of the shoes, Yeah, because they were able.
(45:33):
Wants her shoes back because they totally and the only
her house drops on the Wicked Witch of the East,
which we know. The other thing that I thought was
really interesting when people were debating about who it was
going to be, I thought, well, I actually can't think
right now of a lot of standout child stars that
you would put in this role, because let's not forget
Dorothy gaale Is.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I think like a fourteen year old young girl. She's young, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
she's not an adult. So if you're looking around now,
it's not like there are a whole heap of standout
child stars in the way that there were, say ten
years ago, when like you, merely Bobby Browns and stuff
were young. So I thought it was really interesting that
people were sort of clamoring to think who would play
that role because I couldn't even really think of someone
(46:15):
that was famous, you know, for me, it would have
had to have been a newcomer anyway.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, and I agree that there aren't a lot of
child stars at the moment that would come to mind,
which is probably why all the fan theories were about
adult actors. Yeah, because as you were saying, Millie, Bobby
Brown like back in the day, would have been Dakota
Fanning or one.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Of those big absolutely, well, they would have made.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
The role bigger just to showcase said stuff. But given
in the film we don't actually see their face, it
sort of ended up being a bit of a non issue.
One thing that we do see the face of which
we I think all thought was quite cute when we
watched it, were the number of Ossie Adams seemed to feature. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it. They spected.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yeah, and I don't even think we noticed them just
because we're Australian and that we were looking for them.
They really get a starring role in the animal Menagerie
that appears in this film, the most gorgeous koala that
gets a lot of screen time of them bowl and
I would say yes, but everybody loves Schoowalas.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
I mean have you guys seen sing It's the core character.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, so that was really fun to see. And of
course you know the land of oz Oz.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
So maybe this is the proof we needed all along
that oz is Australia. I mean, they did their premiere
last time here exactly. There were kangaroos, there were wombats.
What more do we need?
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, little wallaby hopping along very cute.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Yeah, but yeah, it was so beautiful to see, you know, kangaroo, wombats,
all that Ossie representation in there was a cute little
tipbit for us and just in general, this movie is
a beautiful feast for the eyes. Like everywhere you look,
the world is just brought to life in such a beautiful,
magic way, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
Well, we know that they grew all those tulips, We
know that the amount of work that went into these sets.
It kind of makes me think about the amount of
detail they put into it. I would pay serious money
to do a set visit.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Absolutely. I would love to see it behind the scenes
that really showed off the sets and the costumes and.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
The detail like the d because you just snow I've
seen Hollywood productions behind the scenes before. The amount of
detail they put on on the shelves in the background
where no one will ever see, there will be key details.
Can someone please do it? I will go to a
theme park that is Wicked themed. I want to walk
in munchkin Land. Yeah, you know what I really want
to explore is that epic gothic castle that alphab.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Goes to Glinda's wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Well, like, I could be happy there.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
I would just leave me there, set up shop there.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Well, they do it for Harry Potter with Universal Studios,
and absolutely so I wouldn't be surprised if we do
see that happen done.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I got a Wicked ride would be so good.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, an entire Wicked Land would be epic and take
my money. I'm there, I would be so there.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
So just to bring things to a head, I know
we have some positive thoughts and some negative thoughts. But
out of five, casenya, what are we giving Wicked for good?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
This is really hard? Four out of five? Okay?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Solid?
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Brie to preface it by saying the first film, I
would give four and a half out of five.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Oh it's coming.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
What's she gonna say?
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Two and a half.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Two and a half, Okay, See, I'm giving it because
it could have been terrible, And I still would have
given it four out of five because I still love
because I'm so invested in universe. I understand where you're
coming from, Bree. I really do like would you have
been more sad if it wasn't there? Like they just didn't.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
I still wish they had just done one solid, perfect film.
A five out of five star film is what I
would have liked. Just one, all right, well, let.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Us know about you, hang on, don't.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Close up just this well, I would have given the
first film a five, and this film A three and
a half, so a little bit of a drop off there,
but I'm not quite as harsh as Bree. Let us
know in the comments what you guys thought we could
feel good rated out of five because we're curious to
see if you agree with us. But thank you so
much for tuning in to this special one off episode
(50:09):
of watch talking all things wicked for good. We hope
that you love deep diving with us, and if you're
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(50:55):
Stronik and video production by Michael Keene. We'll see you
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Speaker 2 (50:59):
Bye bye bye
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