December 18, 2025 • 49 mins
In the first hour of the show, the guys discuss T-Mac's case for Offensive Rookie of the Year and how it compares to TreVeyon Henderson's, tell you if this is really the most important game of the season and talk about their feelings on Dave Canales' play calling.
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oh four five seven oh ninety six to ten. Got
some Panthers injuries, got some knicks, got some bruises. It's
not like the Panthers are the healthiest going into this
Tampa Bay Buccaneers game, and it's a gotta have it game,
And it feels like Wes that it isn't for sure
the last game with these types of steaks, because if
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they win, then it's going to happen again in the
very last game of the season. But if they lose,
then this will have been the last game with the
types of steaks that come with possibly putting yourself in
position to win the NFC South. And if you lose,
I guess you still have a shot, but you got
to have Tampa lose to Miami, and Miami's decided to
go with quinn Ewers. And as we've said quite a
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bit this year, we have a new biggest game of
the season. We have a new biggest game for the
Panthers in quite sometimes it's literally just like the phrase
that we hate that coach speak players speak when they
say every game this week is the biggest game of
the season. Yeah, next week's the biggest game of the season,
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and the week after that and the week after that.
Before the Panthers it's literally that for them.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I hate it because trying to go one and out,
you know, I hate it when they.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Say that because it strips the value of what it
actually does. It actually is true when you're going from
week to week and it's the biggest game. Because when
they say it, when it's week five and you're three
and one, it's not the biggest game of the year.
Not right now, Okay, like, come on, let's actually treat
this with the spirit of the question. Let's treat it
with the tone that it deserves. But now it's not wrong.
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Like we'll get to this a little bit more in
the next segment. But when I've gone through each week
and tried to figure out, okay, this was the biggest
game of the year, this was the biggest game that
we've had in a while. It's almost half the games
because the position that the Panthers one have been in
organically and or have put themselves in because of terrible losses.
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So anyways, we'll see just how healthy they can be.
My girls and seven, So how it goes when you're
seven and seven? All right, let's get off the bus
talking some injuries, giving you all of the updates. Flound dog.
You just heard him. He's driving the bus as he
always does. Let's pull up to the scene, Let's open
up the doors, let's get off the bus.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well, look good getting off the bus.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I got.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
All right, we got some good news bad news. I'm
gonna give you good news first, even though you and
I are both bad news first types of guys, because well,
the bad news launches into the segment, So just hear
me out on the on the good news. The good
news is the Bucks leading tackler has yet to practice
this week. Greg Auman just reported thirty five minutes ago.
Still know Levante David at Bucks practice today, but the
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rest are working again. Tyke Smith, goodness, Gracha, I don't
know this name. Cervoca, servocis Servasi.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, man cut up a lot of his take. How
about a tremendous linebackers. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You know, when I would hear the name or hear
it pronounced, I always just thought it was like the
drink I really did, But now I see it.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I did not realize that's how you spelled his name.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
But fair enough.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Anyways, Kate Oughten, they were all out there Wednesday, but
no Levante David, so that would help Levante David. I
don't know what it is about the NFC South and
opposing linebackers that never age, but apparently the Bucks have one,
the Saints have one. That's the good news in terms
of Carolina not needing to go against some of the
better players. Possibly we'll see about his prognosis as the
week goes on. The bad news is that we have
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some injuries ourselves in Carolina. Joe person tweeting out a
bunch of people taking some of the comments from the
players in the locker room, Joe said. Ikeyakwanu said he
underwent an MRI on his knee after experiencing discomfort early
in the Saints game. Declined to divulge what diagnosis it was,
but he said he'll do all he can to play
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against the Buccaneers. He's considered day to day right now,
so don't know if he's going to suit up. And
we also have a t mac injury here. Wes t
Mak said that he had a foot and ankle injury
and it's been lingering over the last couple of weeks.
It got rolled up on in the Saints game. He said,
the ball's in our court. It's our job to make
sure that we put it in the rim. And he's
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apparently going to give it a go against Tampa. I
think Dave Canal this expects Temac to be back out
there on the practice field. So tam Mac looks like
he's going to play, but he's hobbled a tiny bit. Ikey,
we just don't know if he's going to play. Thoughts
on some of those injuries, some big ones in my opinion,
I know, those some key injuries, I mean, but welcome
to life in the NFL. You know when you talk
about Tedoro having those injuries, and he's the go to
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guy for this offense, So this offense changes drastically with
him not out there on the field, So that's going
to be huge. And then Ikey Akwana as will you know,
we know that he's had his struggles this year, but
he's still their best option at left tackle. So if
he's not able to go either, I mean, if you're
missing both of those guys, even one of them is
definitely a blow to your offense. But certainly, if you
had to pick one of the two, tetoroal McMillan certainly
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will hurt a ton because he is the de fact
though number one option in the passing game.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I think both are. That would be an interesting question.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Is it obvious to say that t Mac would be
the biggest miss here if he did not suit up
against Tampa. Although it does look like he's going to right,
it's a Wednesday absence. You see Wednesday absences quite frequently.
It looks like he's going to suit up. But ikey, ikey,
I'm not so sure. And when he had the appendicitis
at the beginning of the year, he talked about how
terrible the timing was. He said that again with this
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knee injury, terrible timing of the injuries that he has suffered.
You put Yosh nim minute left tackle, he allows eight pressures,
just a terrible, terrible football game. Right tackle. Yosh has
actually been decent. When Timo has been out left tackle,
it's not been pritty.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It makes me wonder too, Like, I mean, you know,
Taylor Motin is just a true right tackle, because I
wonder sometimes why they won't kick him over to left.
But some guys that like that. You have a lot
of linemen that are very versatile. They can play multiple
positions on multiple sides. And then you have some guys
that are just hand dominant where that's where they play,
and it seems to be that's where Taylor Moten is
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and that's probably why they have not moved him over.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, so we'll see what it is with Ikey. But
the t Mac injury, he said that's been lingering the
last couple of weeks. I don't know if that's been
a legitimate reason as to what's held him back the
last three weeks. There just hasn't been as many targets.
I don't know about separation whatever. This doesn't seem where
I gave Ikey a ton of grace when he came
back from the appendicitis and didn't play well at the
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beginning of the year and then really hit his stride.
I think we can go back and say, yeah, it
probably did take him a little while to cook coming
off of a surgery like that. T Mac, as much
as I love him, as much as I would like
to find excuses for him, I mean, maybe you can
put a little bit into it. With such a cutting
type of position that you play at wide receiver, if
you have a lingering ankle issue at the same time.
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I don't know if that's a real thing that's been
holding him back the last few weeks. I would like
for him to get going here, Wes, as everybody would,
you look at the offensive Rookie of the Year odds.
I went to FanDuel to check those odds out, expecting
to see t Mac either one or two, and I
was surprised to see Wes that he's actually the third
favorite in offensive Rookie the Year odds right now, and
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surprisingly number one. Do you know who it is? You
want to venture a guess? A Mecca Buka's two, So
I'll just take him off the table. A Mecca Buka
is second. T Mac is like barely right behind him.
I think it's plus two fifty for a Buka. It's
plus two to eighty. It's not Tyler one. Okay, I
give Traveon Henderson. Okay, Yeah, that makes sense. Look, it
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makes sense in the in the way that he's been
performing here lately. But man, one, a couple couple thoughts here.
I don't feel like t Mac should be third. T
Mac has at least been productive for the most part
all season long, outside of really the last three games.
It took a while before Travion got cooking. It was
Ramadre Stevenson that was starting the year up there in
New England and then Trayon took over and he's been good,
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but they didn't trust him in pass protection and it's
not like he had a high success rate. So I
just don't feel like Henderson should be number one in
offensive Rookie of the Year odds t Mak and Abuka.
I got my case for Tmak over Abuka. But what
maybe if I feel like this, maybe other people feel
like it and we can just get good odds on
putting money down on Timak to win this thing at
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the end of the year. Do you think t Mak
is going to end up with the hardware or do you
think it goes to somebody else?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Man, that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I would probably say if I had to bet today,
I would probably say no, not because he won't be deserving,
but I just that's just how I feel in the moment.
And he has had a little bit of a step
back and with the injury, so these games are going
to be huge for him as well. What can he
do because when you look at Henderson, he's had some
explosive moments and I know since I forget which week
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it is. I know he's led the league in rushing
by decent margin, and then you know, you talk about moments.
I mean, even though they lost the game, he goes
for one hundred and forty eight and two scores on
Buffalo and that was a big game, you know, for
the Patriots. So if he continues on a tear like
he's been, then I think that, yeah, he's going to
be up there. And the only reason why I said
it made sense is because of the fact that I
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was missing his name. But he has been, you know,
one of the hotter rookies probably over the last five
or six weeks. But I think t Max got a
chance for sure down the stretch is going to be
a big determining factor in that.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I'm gonna be a little frustrated. Yeah, I'm a Panthers fan.
I'm definitely biased against the guy that I like and
plays for my favorite team. No doubt, Accuse me of
that all you want. You're not wrong in accusing me
of that. Also, I feel like I have a pretty
damn good case when I say Trevion Henderson the most
amount of yards that he ran for in a game,
leading all the way up to October twenty sixth against
the Browns. So the first half of the season, the
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most amount of yards that he ran for was thirty two. Yeah,
so you go on consistency, Well, I'm just going, yeah, like,
can you give me anything in the first half of
the season, and then he ran for over one hundred twice.
He did so against Tampa, and then he did so
against the Buffalo Bills, but in the three games before that,
he didn't reach seventy. I just I don't it's so
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much what have you done for me lately that I'm
afraid that both of our rookies here in Charlotte are
going to be victims of that. If konk Nipple just
puts up bonkers numbers all year long and then Cooper
Flag has a really strong last month of the season
and wins Rookie of the Month out West, I hope
con Kinniple still gets value, still gets credit for having
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contributed as consistently as he has all year long, and
might win Rookie of the Year because of that. But
I'm afraid that he might be a victim to what
Cooper might do the last month, the last two months,
And I'm afraid of t mac being a victim to
Travon Henderson. I thought we only had to worry about
Abuka and Jackson Dart, Tyler Warren for a little bit.
But I thought we only had to worry about the
Giants QB and the Bucks wide receiver Henderson.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I just I'm sorry, man.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I end up getting flipped though, because, like I said,
they'll look and they could say, well, yeah, he's had
two one hundred yard games, he had one ninety nine.
But they could point out some of the lighter statistical
games for him. And if he continues Mac, you mean yes,
and if he continues going to rate that he's going
now where he's not putting up good numbers, they could
say that he faltered down the strets. Because if he
goes thirty five to forty three twenty five against New
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Orleans and then if he doesn't show up, let's just
say he doesn't clear fifty yards the next three weeks,
then that would be a big argument for people to say, well,
he failed down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
If he falls down the stretch and does this consistent,
okay with it all the way to the end of
the season. I'm okay with Abuka possibly getting it over
t mac But Henderson like, are you allowed to just
light a first half of the season on fire for
rookie the year?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well, I mean if he finishes the year, I mean,
if he let's just say he has a let's say
he goes two one hundred yard games out of the
next three, and I mean that will put him over
one thousand. Yeah, I mean, I don't No, it is
tough when you sit there and you say you want
a full body of work. But you know when you
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talk about also, Man, you got a factor in his
team and how good they are, and how big of
a fact that he's playing in how what they've been
playing as of late.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So they're gonna look at that too. The wins and losses.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, fair enough, they were pretty good without him being
the starting running back. But the Abuka thing too, I
just I don't know, Man being third, that was surprising
to me.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Being third.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
The Jackson dark QB bias I thought might even surpass him.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
But it's not even Jackson, because I would.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Think his rookie is kind of following in a path
like Chris Johnson's, because Chris Johnson came on in the
second half of his rookie, and didn't he win Offensive
Rookie of the Year that year?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Maybe I gotta look, that's fair. He's got two games
over eight hundred yards. Man, I love him as a
football player. I really enjoy him. He's got two games
above one hundred yards, and in the games where he
had not even seventy he's averaged like three point two
three point three yards per carry.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And then if you go with the scrimmage yards, he's
put up some good scrimmage yards. Since the Cleveland game,
he's been seventy five yards a better from scrimmage over
that time period.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
He's a good football player. Is a rookie of the
last quarter of the year? Is at rookie of the year?
A well, I mean that's my question. But Big walk
t Max got some paltry games in as well, that's right,
and let's count them compared to Travion. Okay, okay wins. No,
just it's it's not like we can accuse me of
being biased. It's just okay, twenty seven yards, ten, twenty eight,
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thirty two, twenty four, twenty seven to five, sixty two,
sixty six sixty seven, Right, I mean Trevon has more.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
He got a forty eight, twenty nine, thirty three, thirty five,
forty three, twenty five, and.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
The forties forties are more than what Travion had in
a lot of these games. Right, Like, if we I'm
just saying, if we wanted to call a spade a
spade and be as equal as possible, then you would
have to go below the thirty to reach the threshold
that Henderson was reaching consistently through the first half of
the season.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It just don't make any sense to me.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Well, I'll say this that you know, trav despite his
first half struggles, he's got seventy seven hundred and seventy.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Three rushing yards.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Tart Row has got eight hundred and fifty one, and
maybe it's just a projection. He's also got two hundred
and twelve yards receivens. So he's got nine hundred and
eighty five scrimmage yards and eight you know, total touchdowns,
and so he does have walk I hate to tell you,
he does have more scrimmage yards than tator rowall buy
a decent margin. He's got nine to eighty five to
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eight fifty one.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
So the two the two game, man, he's been more
productive you.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Can call me bias. That's fine. I think you're biased too.
I'm not. It's just saying.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
My man's got thirty four catches, he's got nine hundred
and eighty five scrimmage yards and eight touchdowns. It doesn't
matter how he got there. He's still having a really
really productive rookie year. That's all I'm saying. And I
think that's probably what I'm playing into this, and if
he continues at this trajectory, he's gonna end. Know what,
the pretty pretty good rookie campaign Beggars says, Walker just
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hates running backs. I know, yeah, we're into it. Can't
dodge it. I am k Tom Mafia. Walker has gone
full blown Homer. Yeah, I'll be that. That's fine because
if t Max started turning on the second half of
the season, we hit Walker may have banging the table
for him over Trevion.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Except I just said, Abuca, See I got holes in
your argument all over the place with this Rookie of the
Year conversation. I really did want to take a serious
note to update people on some stuff that people have
been asking about.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
On the fandual text line.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
There actually is some melancholy news breaking and We're not
exactly sure of all of the information, but we do
have a plane crash in Statesville and the plane belonged
to NASCAR driver Greg Biffle. We do not know if
he was on board at this time. So I hate
to take this kind of turn, but I do want
people to understand what is taking place here locally. According
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to WSOC, we don't know who was on the plane.
The initial call to emergency services was at about ten
twenty am. Channel nine's day Farity is at the airport,
where more first responders arrived. Roads around the airport are blocked.
A witness from nearby Lakewood Golf Club said the plane
was quote way too low before it crashed. Chopper nine
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sky Zoom was on the way to crash, but the
pilot had to turn around because of inclement weather conditions.
So again, I'm just reading this from WSOC. There has
been a plane crash in Statesful and the plane was
owned by Greg Biffle. It is important to note that
we do not know if Greg Biffle was on board.
We do not know of anybody specifically that was on board.
We will provide updates as the show goes on here
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Speaker 2 (18:08):
One call.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
That's all the Carolina's personal injury lawyers. We hit you
with some pretty heavy breaking news in case you're just
joining us. Within the last five minutes, we do have
some breaking news coming in from Iredale County. The Ierdale
County Sheriff confirms that there are fatalities in a plane crash.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
In that plane.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
The plane did belong to Greg Biffle. We do not
know if Greg Biffle or his family members were on
board at this time. There are conflicting reports, so I
will say that there are conflicting reports. When you go
to Twitter, when you go to your social media site,
whatever it may be, I do not want to read
anything that I cannot one hundred percent confirm from people
that I know and trust around the area. So right now,
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as far as the reporters that and publications that I trust.
We do not know who was on board at this point,
Joe Bruno tweeting out that we don't know who or
how many were on board, but the Irodale County Sheriff
does confirm that there were fatalities on that plane crash,
So I don't know who was affected or involved at
this point. Certainly Greg Biffil having owned the plane. It
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is a scary situation for the Biffel family. Regardless, I'm
not exactly sure of all the information that is out
there outside of we don't know who was on board.
There was a private jet that was crashed in Statesville
close to Lakewood Golf Club if you need some kind
of landmark for reference, and it was there. You can
see that there's a lot of smoke. It was a
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pretty devastating looking crash, and we do have confirmed fatalities.
We just don't know who it was that passed away
as of yet. We will keep you up to date,
and as we only know how, we'll we'll try to
weave in and out of this storyline as the show
goes on, and we will provide as much information as
we have it come through on our social media timelines
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and In the meantime, we'll try to make the awkward
transition that is sports radio every once in a while,
and we'll go to some of the other topics that
we have planned.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
This time.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
We just don't have any other information outside of the
plane that was owned by Greg Biffel did crash in
Statesville and the Ideal County Sheriff did confirm that there
are some fatalities, some heartbreaking news coming in on Sports
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oh four five seven oh ninety six ten. We will
get back to some Panthers talk as we again weave
in and out of this big time stories that are
happening today. The Panthers do have a monster game against
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. We are hoping that t Mac
can produce somehow, some way, so he can rightfully, in
my opinion, take the Rookie of the Year award back
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from Trabion Henderson, who has two games above one hundred
yards and now we want to say that he's the
rookie of the Year, but it's.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Okay, scrimmas, y'all some people. Let's not forget that running
backs do this, right, we're doing that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Now wait are we are talking facts? Yes? Right, but
we are doing that.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
We can't dismiss the man's production. Now, I'm not why
is it you said running backs do this. We over receivers.
They have more scrimmag yards.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Because this is a reason when you go in fantasy
football that you're gonna draft the top wide receivers for sure,
but it's all running back game.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It's because they get the stats.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Trevion Henderson West, how can you look at his game
log and tell me that this is a man that
has produced at a monster level weekend and week out.
And then you want to say the tm AC numbers
where you went with the forties were paultry man. Travion
Henderson has a million games under forty.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
No, I understand that, But like I said, no matter
how we got here, he still has almost a thousand
scrimmage yards. So he's been productive enough to put up
the numbers that he has, Yes, and he deserves. And
I also know too in some of those games, like
you know, with running backs, because I even had to
get out of their mentality sometimes of judging running backs
by their one thousand yard game one one hundred yard games,
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because I know that obviously, in an old format it
took sixty three to get there. Now I think it's
a little bit less than sixty or whatnot to get there.
So but I still count a sixty five seventy yard game,
and if he has eighty ninety Scrimma's yards, I count that,
you know, as a productive date. There's more than one
way to get your production. But I'm going to respect
the nine to eighty five. I mean, you know, obviously
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there's no other rookie running backs that's putting up these
types of numbers.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
No, there's not, and there's I don't know, so we
can call him the best rookie running back.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Like I'm okay with that. Well, I mean yeah, I'm
okay with that.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
What's what's the thing that is inaccurate that I'm saying
here with the Henderson that's my issue.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I mean, yeah, he's got he's got some light games.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
But at the end of the day, like I said,
you know, I respect the production that he has put up,
you know, this season, but I.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Can respect it as well.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I don't want to give him any hardware for it,
but I can respect it because he is good. I
really like Trevon Henderson's game. I will say this, I
do think Mike Rabel should have been starting him way
earlier than what he did. But Mike Rabel was somebody
that didn't want to start him because of the lack
of pass protection, and that's why he decided to go
with Raman J. Stevens and they were a really good
football team winning a ton of games where he wasn't
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giving you all of this primetime production either way, No
hate to Trayvon Henderson. I'm just trying to give the
award a t MAC at this point, and hopefully t
MAC can ball out against Tampa because Tampa, as we've
gone through it, wes Tampa this weekend, it's the biggest
game that they've had in a really long time, and
we were saying that, I guess kind of last week
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like trying to classify the big games that they've had,
because this is the joke, Panthers playing their biggest game
of the year. They're playing the biggest game that they've
played in quite some time. I tried to go through
it on the schedule and figure out. Okay, what game
classifies as that? Tell me if I'm wrong, because I
had a really hard time with this. Atlanta Week three
felt like a big one because you'd be oh and
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three and at that point you would lose to a
division rival. Not biggest game in a while, but like
big game for the season. Green checked that oh and
three and happening at home. That would have been bad.
But they came out, they won Cowboys Week six. I
thought about including Miami week five, but Miami was a
bad football team, I you know, I don't. It didn't
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feel like as big of a game as what the
Panthers had with the Cowboys at home.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Would you put Miami there?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I think when you look at it by you know,
on paper saying the Dallas Cowboys and everything that comes
with that. But no, I would include Miami in that because,
like I said, you come home, you'll won in three.
You lose that game you won in four, your season's
pretty much cooked at that point. Like that was the
game in my opinion, that turned a lot of things
around for them. In that Miami game. That was the
emergence of Rico o' daldo. That's when this offense showed
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some signs of life, especially after that beat down in
New England.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
So no, I would include Miami and that as well.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Okay, fair enough, So Atl week three, Miami Week five,
Dallas Week six. I had Dallas here too. Are you
okay with the illusion of Dallas?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I put Bill's Week eight. I remember the discourse surrounding
that one. We had a lot on the line there. Now,
Panthers were absolutely terrible, right, I'm trying to figure out
going into these matchups, how big these games were. Going
into that game against Buffalo, we felt like, you beat Buffalo.
They were starting to reel at the time, just a
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little bit relatively speaking what it means to reel for
a Buffalo team. But they had shown some vulnerabilities. It
felt like Carolina could capitalize on that. People were picking
Carolina at home because Buffalo was struggling just a tad bit,
and then Buffalo laid the SmackDown on them. It was
Andy Dalton starting at QB. But I put the bills here?
Would you put the bills here?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah? And I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
What a tough exercise this is because of the fact
of the way that the Panthers were doing their business.
Because it's not like they got off to a six
and two start. So if they lose this game, oh well,
because you know, I'm looking at that Jets game that
gave you the opportunity to get over five hundred, and
that was a game that you felt like that they
had to win. If they did, that was going to
be a truly disappointing loss. And so it is too
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when you go through the season topsy turvy like this.
It's like, man, each game does feel very important for
different reasons because you either have a chance to go
up a game or you don't want to go down
a game, and stuff like that. So I'm with you
saying how hard of an exercise this must have been.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Going into these contests. Is the framing I'm looking for,
not after the fact, not what the result meant. After
the fact. Going into these games is what I'm looking for,
which is why I preface this next game by saying that, Wes,
I don't know if I had the Packers game here.
I think the Packers game became important after the fact
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because of the victory that they got, But we were
not talking about that Packers game the way that we
were talking about that Bills.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Okay, the victory now hindsight, we talk about important results. Yes, monstrous,
but coming in when you talk pregame storylines, I agree
with you, all right, So we leave the Packers off
of it. Right now, we still have Atlanta Week three,
Miami Week five, Dallas week six, Bill's week eight. We
skip the Packers. I don't know what to do with
the first Saints game. I'd say that's an after the
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fact game. The loss made that more heartbreaking than going
into it because everybody thought, all right, it's Saints. Time
to get this victory, time to get this dub Okay,
So we'll leave the Saints off of it. Falcons, I
put back. I think both games against Atlanta were monstrous. Yes,
because of the letdown that you had against New Orleans.
You needed to see Bryce Young ball out. Remember the
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discourse Dave Canalis Bryce Young? Is it Bryce not throwing downfield?
Is there it Dave not drawing up the options? So
Atlanta I thought was huge and they delivered, So I'll
put atl as well. So that's both games against Atlanta.
I think San Francisco was Monday night football primetime. You
already have a little glow on it. There and it
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felt like, hey, we're already watching an inconsistent football team.
Can you string together consecutive victories for the first time
since what you did back Week six? Week seven? Cowboys Jets?
And they laid a big egg I think going into it,
and the result was big time football conversation against San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I would say that that's the thing too where it
starts to get complicated, because I would imagine maybe at
that point, because the Panthers was six and five, you
felt like you had a real chance. And I'm not
saying that the Panthers had no shot to win that
San Francisco game in the LA games, but I was
going to say, do we look at those games more
after the fact because of the fact that we thought
that they wouldn't win either.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Well, I'll just go ahead and jump ahead to look
at my argument. I think that's true of the Rams.
Fiddy and his Panthers. Hey, don't call me home or
a team Mac called Panther. Panther Fitty is a real thing.
He's the only one that picked the Panthers beating the Rams. Remember,
they had injuries, nobody expected them to get that win.
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Best team in football. We had finally everybody had decided
la best team in football. Even if they're going to Carolina,
the injuries that the Panthers had there without j C.
Horn against that wide receiver duo cooked ain't gonna happen,
and yet they provided one of the best upsets of
the year. So with what you're saying, I think that
applies to the Rams. I thought there was a real
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shot Carolina could beat San Fran. I really did, especially
because san Fran had been banged up. Rock Party had
just come back, and I think he showed that he
was still really rusty, having thrown for a couple of interceptions.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Where are you on this?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I felt like I can't win because whatever I say,
people are going to say it. But I'm still going
to say what I'm going to say because this is
our damn chill. Okay, No, I did not think the
Panthers were going win that game. I just felt like
the forty nine ers were too experienced in that environment
in primetime games. Soliding that defense, I felt like they
would find a way. Now, I didn't expect Brock Preddy
to throw three picks, but we're also talking about going
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into the game.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
What do we think.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, you know, now, I did not think the Panthers
had zero chance. But if I were to put odds
on it, in my own mind, I felt about seventy
five eighty five. I mean seventy five to twenty five
eighty t twenty at best that I thought the Panthers
will win that game.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
So I would put San fran you would not. It's
the only real disagreement because at Miami I was so
fifty to fifty. I need a guidance. Thank you for
guiding me, Sir San Francisco. I still have it there.
You do not, rams none of us have it because
going into the game, we all thought they were gonna lose.
I don't know what to do with this last Saints game.
I think I think for sure this falls into that category. Yeah,
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I think you're right. I just the prospects of being swept. Yeah,
you needed it to put yourself in a great position
in a division. So I think those two factors alone
going into the game made that a huge game.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I can't believe they got swept by Saints. I can't
believe it happened. I mean, it was right there, it
was right there.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
We It's funny because the tone did not match the
substance of what we were discussing on Sports Radio ninety
two to seven WFNZ. The way we were talking was
with excitement, was with a real we were talking with opportunity,
but some of the substance, like we knew logically somewhere
in our brain. Every host that talked on these microphone said,
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I am scared, Like I, I do have some worry
that the Panthers might lose it. But the way that
you heard us talking, right, the tenor of the conversation
was we're about to do this thing.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah, I felt again if I went to odds in
my mind, I went in about ninety ten. But the
Panther's winning that game. I thought that there was hardly
any chance that they would lose this game.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
We got.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
We already got rid of the Saints loss. They're not
going to respond the same out. They're not going to
get too big for their bridges. Again, that's not going
to happen, except it did. So, so here's the games
that I have then, because I'm I'm with you on
New Orleans. It was it was a weird one. And
then we'll have Tampa this time. Right, So Atlanta Week three,
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Miami Week six, Dallas week seven, excuse me, Cowboys week six,
Bill's Week eight, and then Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I need to stop saying that.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
But Atlanta the second game San Francisco, Monday Night Football
New Orleans in Tampa. So that's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
eight games that we've had a lot on the line
coming into all of these matchups. Now, how have they
performed like that? That's only the first half of like
the first half of the segment. The second half is
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how have they performed in the games where you had
monster steaks? How about the first three wes backs against
the Wall, beat Atlanta, beat Miami, beat Dallas, impressive stuff.
They lose to the Bills, they beat Atlanta, they lose
to San fran they lose to New Orleans. So they
do have more wins than losses. But it goes to
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show the inconsistency of this m I mean, just continuing
to be as inconsistent as possible. Aar says, this segment
is really making me angry because I have to relive
the rage I felt with all of these losses. Yeah, man,
that's right. K tow Mafia, who's not been happy with
me lately. I don't know what it is, Kate town Mafia, Like,
you tell me what the issue is. I just want
to make sure that we're all good, he says Walker.
(33:04):
The Saints swept to the Panthers because you're rookie of
the year. T mac bawled out, Oh that's right, he
was non existing. Boom yeah, got the big gun. Oh yeah,
oh that's right. I forgot he wasn't even on the field.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
That's one of the best sarcastic. Oh yeah, not right, right,
Oh yeah, that's rights. If you put the accents with
it in front of the person and you like put
your hands on your head or you going.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
To a thinking gesture, and especially like with k Tom Mafia,
how do you feel like do you think that he
pounded the send button? Do you think he mashed it?
Do you think some like pixels were starting to change
colors on him?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
He delicately did it with a uh yeah yeah, bleep
eating grin on his face. Ye yah, yeah yeah, t Mac.
That was the reason they had travon Henison. They would
have won one hundred.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And forty yards.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
That would have been one of the two games he
went over one hundred that's would have been right there
with the New Orleans Saints. What has been the common
issue to put a bow on this with the Panthers
and the losses that they've experienced in the big games,
because again, as we go through it, right the ones
that we relatively agreed on, I have San Francisco. If
you don't have San Francisco, then you really think they've
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actually outperformed the competition in the bigger games than they
have underperformed. Because San Francisco is not on the board,
I would put him there. That was a terrible contest
from them. So what has been the biggest issue when
they don't play up to stuff in these cars?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
A lack of run game, Yeah, lack of run game
as well, and then the other team passing the football
on them. That the way that they have so pass
defense and lack of run game. But if I had
to pick one, it was that because the Panthers have
performed as some of their best performances when they've been
able to run the football effectively.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
You know, you just look through it.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
You know, the Rams win, you get eighty three yards
out of Chube Hubbard beat Green Bay, you get one
hundred and thirty out of Rico Dowd, or you look
at the Dallas game one eighty three, so on and
so forth. So to me, when the Panthers are really
able to establish the run, that's when they've performed at
their best. You know, they've been been able to overcome
deficiencies on defense, and so yeah, that's where I would go.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, the passing game for short in some of the
games that like, honestly, it's funny because you look at
the offense in these games. They scored thirty against Atlanta,
they scored twenty seven against Miami, they scored thirty against Dallas.
They scored thirty against Atlanta the second time out. But
when they haven't reached thirty, it's been a putrid offensive effort.
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Buffalo with Dalton at quarterback, they scored nine first time
against the Saints, they scored seven. Second time they played
the Saints, they scored seventeen. It's just been the offense
like letting it rip downfield rams if you want to
call that one. Right, when they've been successful, they've scored
thirty and I'd said, I've put a bow on it,
all right, it's already wrapped and I going.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
To open up the package.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
We have another segment to get to some of the
other leftover thoughts, and we do need to get to
some of the topics that we didn't get to yesterday.
Jalen Kocher Is he a legit wide receiver too?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Also?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Are we just pass the point of handing play calling
duties over to brad Izick this year? I think it's
pretty obvious that you wouldn't do it, But is there
still some play for that next year in the eyes
of Panthers fans. We'll get to all of that coming
up next. Sports Radio ninety two seven WFZ one more
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segment to go in the twelve o'clock hour. You're listening
to Sports Radio ninety two to seven WFNZ. I did
want to get to a couple of topics that I
promised we would yesterday and didn't deliver on that promise.
It happens every once in a while. One of the
topics that we had was the play calling duties. Are
we pass the point of handing the responsibility of that
over to brad Izick? It feels like, certainly this year
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you wouldn't change it. With three weeks left to go
in the regular season and if you do have a
postseason appearance, you wouldn't change it then going into your
playoff game. But it doesn't mean that there aren't Panthers
fans out there that wouldn't like to hand over play
calling duties over to Brad Itzick because of some of
the inconsistencies. So if we think that it's not going
to happen this year, what are the chances that it
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actually happens next year before the season starts or at
some point mid season in twenty six.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
That's an interesting proposition. And you know, obviously, when you
hire the head coach just specializes in something, it's hard
to I always think it's going to be hard for
them to fully give up their expertise in a certain area.
So I still think that no matter what, Canalys is
going to have a heavy hand on the offense. That's
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kind of just how it goes sometimes, and so for me,
I don't know that he'll ever gain the total reigns
of it. I think things would have to really go
bad for Canals to do it, And like you said,
it feels like an admittance when that happens, and then
it also kind of leads the bad things. So you're
in a bad spot when it happens. So I'm not
sure the scenario on which the passing of that baton
would take place.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, you know my feelings on it.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
If the value of having Dave Canalis as your head
coach is his offensive mind, and maybe you don't believe
that to be true anymore, I still think that there
is good A lot of people have been referencing the
fact that the Panthers are way down towards the bottom
and points per game, not even averaging nineteen per contest,
and I think they're like fifth to last in that regard.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That is true.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I do think this is where we can start to
have some fun with numbers, right, like you know, a
kid with Travon Henderson. Because yes, I do want TMAC
to win. But I guess part of my issue is
like so much weight goes behind some of the outlier performances.
And I do think even with the Panthers having not
scored all that much on an average basis, and that's
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a big issue, I'd rather than be more consistent. This
is not actually any way to defend Dave Canalis. I
would write, I would rather have the offense be a
lot more consistent. They are tied for twelfth in terms
of most thirty point games put up this season, and
I wonder if that means anything to anybody. It just
feels like with Dave Wes, we have like one end
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of the spectrum or the other. With Dave Canalys and
maybe even specifically this offense, right, we either are going
to go for thirty a game or thirty that game,
or we're not even going to put ten points up
or twenty. There's not many consistent Yeah, just give me
twenty four, give me a few touchdowns on a field goal. No,
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it's we will give you less than twenty, or we'll
reach the thirty point threshold and we'll win the game
when we put thirty points. And so it feels like
the median of that brings you all the way down
to the bottom. But they are tied for twelfth for
most thirty point games put up this season. It goes
back to the word that has been the theme of
the season, the lack of consistency. The inconsistency is across
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the board.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yeah, And I think the thing is for a lot
of people, it's how they're getting it done, because if
they were putting up some of these numbers, and they
did it in the same style every time. I think
people will obviously be more on board whether it because
that's the thing you see people complaining about, and that's
the thing that I've said too. Now I get it
when you look at Belichicking and Patriots and the Heyday,
they did change their offensive identity almost weekly based off
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the opponents that they were going against, and they had
to requisite players to be able to do so. So
that's ideally what you would want, But I think for
Panthers fans, they feel like that when they decide to
go as one style or the other suffers. And so
it feels like we talked a lot about thirteen formations
and things like that, and I said, I feel like
when you condense the formations and you have receivers who
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don't necessarily win at a high rate, then that creates
more work for.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Them to be able to do.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Then also, you know, you run the ball well, but
you're not dominant running the football, So when you try
to play in a phone booth with a lot of
these teams, that's tough for the anthwers to do as well.
Push you in second and long third and long et cetera,
et cetera. And so that kind of backs things up
to where we feel like that we've seen an example,
and when they did go to, you know, a more
wide open style, we saw some very exciting results. We
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saw some gaudy results. We saw career game from Bryce Young.
And I'm not saying that's the way that they need
to play all the time, but it's like, can we
figure out one main style and then have branches coming
off of that tree? So can you pick a tree
and then have branches that come off of that that
you can throw other people off so they don't get
a read on what you're doing all the time. But
I think that's the main frustration of so many is
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that they feel like that when they decide to pick
a style, one suffer.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah, And it feels like the Rams game was that
like the perfect type of game plan where you see
the run game and the passing game and it's not
like Bryce through for three hundred yards, right he didn't,
But Bryce through downfield and he connected and you still
your identity was still ground and pound. It was still
running the football and then having Bryce hit the throws
he needs to off of what you were able to
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do running the football. There's quite a few people on
the text line that brought up what I believe to
be the Rick Stroud sound when Rick Stroud joined Kyle
Bailey and discussed Dave Canalis as the play caller down
in Tampa Flounders looking for it now, but apparently Tampa
Bay didn't think Dave Canalis was all that good of
an offensive coordinator. Is what people on the text line
understand of Rick Stroud and what his comments were. Let's
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hear it straight from the Buccaneers beat reporter himself.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
I would say this about Dave. His strength is not
playing calling. Okay, now you may not agree with that assessment,
but it's true.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
And you know, and.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
If you ask people in this building and players in particular,
they will tell you that. Now, having said all that,
I know he fancies himself as an offensive play caller.
When he got here, he hadn't done it since Carson
High School in California. Now, you know, just because you're
in the NFL, and this is what I would do.
All that kick great, but they didn't run. They were
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last in the league in rushing. And I believe when
when Dave was he and you know, they didn't have
a lot of answers at the line of scrimmage right
for the quarterback to get out of place. I don't
know if that's changed. I suspect it hadn't changed a
whole lot, but those things will get you. I always
thought that he would be a better head coach than
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a play call you know, because a lot of the
job of the head coaches to set the tone. I
think he's done that Carolina.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
So Rick Stroud feels like he would be a better
head coach than he would be a play caller. Talking
with players down in Tampa, there are players that he
says didn't even feel like Dave Canalis's strength was as
a play caller. If you go back when Dave Canalys
was hired, there were a bunch of glowing comments about
who he was as a guy. You had offensive linemen
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in Seattle, a few different people up in Seattle, quarterbacks
Gino Smith lauded Dave Canalis for what he was Russell o'coon.
Then you go to Tampa, Tampa, Mike Evans remember his
comments about how Dave Canalys was a great guy. I
don't know if he or specifically mentioned him as a
play caller. But he did have a glowing review of
his time with Dave down in Tampa for the one
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year there. I guess we're some rumblings about Baker not
exactly being thrilled with the way things went in that
one year. But here's the tricky part, Wes. This is
why it's difficult for me to evaluate Dave as a
play caller slash head coach man. You have seen quarterbacks
completely salvage their career on his watch. Veteran QBS Gino
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Smith gives them credit for that when he was working
directly with Gino. Dave Canalis working directly with Baker. It's
the best year that we got from Baker. And I
don't know quite some time since the playoff year up
in Cleveland and then Cleveland moved on Carolina moved on LA.
Despite the one game that he played pretty well, they
moved on. So okay, Baker played well under Dave Canalis.
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I wonder how much autonomy he allows his quarterbacks to have,
as Rick Stroud puts it, when the quarterbacks, I guess,
haven't earned the right to have a ton of autonomy
in their previous spots, and so Dave has the plan
to get the best out of them. One thing that
is true about Dave. He was on the team that
got the best out of Gino. He was on the
team that got the best out of Baker. And guess what,
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He's been on the team that's gotten the best out
of Brice compared to every other play caller that he's
worked with so far in his professional career. I think
he deserves credit for it. At the same time, you
do have some questions about it. When this Luke Kickley
even christened him as having the goods luke Keickley boy
genius on the opposite line of scrimmage. It's tough to
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evaluate them.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, And I mean we talk all the time about
how hard play calling is, and obviously you can get
into rhythms, you can cook, as the kids say, and
get out there and have a game or two where
you're getting it done. And I guess people just want
to see more consistency. And that was regards because like
you look, for example, when we talk about the Rams
game and how that game went, because Atlanta they decided
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to throw the ball a ton forty five attempts right there,
and if you look at the yards per attempt though
on both of those, but he had his highest yards
per attempt against the Rams, and I guess that's what
people feel like, and that's what I feel like would
be kind of the elixa there because they're twenty fourth
in the league overall for the season in yards per
passe attempt, they only average six point six, and so
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I feel like that if coach canal is, you know, obviously, yes,
you want to run the ball. You got establish the run,
we know that. But if you're a little bit more
aggressive in the past attempts when you do decide to
take them, because they only threw the ball twenty times
against the Rams, I think that would be a little
bit better formula for this offense to be able to
be more explosive. And I think that when we see
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some of these other games. I mean, he's got games
as low, you know, the first time against Atlanta five
yards per attempt, New England five yards per attempt, and
you know, that's game plan type of stuff right there,
to where they're trying to more so manage the game
than being aggressive. And so it feels like that when
the Panthers have had bad performances, that coach Canalis decides
to take the approach to be more aggressive, and then
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when he feels a little bit more comfortable on where
they're at, that they don't do it so much because
they don't want to risk whatever it is that they
want to risk. And I think that's the thing that
fuststakes people a lot too. And that's the thing that
first dates me when I watch them, is that it's
just like you can tell early on, you know, by
the past attempts that they attempt, you know what type
of time they're on. And when he wakes up and
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decides to choose violence, as they say, that's when I
think we get the best results out of this team.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Seven oh four, five, seven oh ninety six to ten.
We have a few texts coming in. Wall says, canalys
is conservative, probably good for the QB. Sometimes it's tough
when the defense or running game is having a bad day,
Wes says. Wes and Walker, is this you typing this in?
It might be you're going to have some such propaganda
that you're trying to pass off as a burner account.
Wes says. Is it possible that the Panthers just aren't
good enough to look consistent on offense? Yes, it is possible.
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That's absolutely possible that they just don't have the right
weapons that Dave wants for his offense at its peak
powers and finally, Puny Giant says, here's one way to
look at it. Can Aalis has experience helping veteran qbs,
but this is his first time grooming a young quarterback
and having a development project, which is something we did
consider when he was hired as the head coach. Again,
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going back to the Greg Biffle story, just wanted to
update everybody on what has taken place so far. I
want to pull this up so I get this exactly correct.
We don't have any news as of now with the
confirmation of Greg Biffle's presence on board. There was a
plane crash in Statesville. The Iodale County sheriff said that
he could confirm that there were fatalities. There is no
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confirmation on who did pass away because of that plane crash.
We also know that that plane that did crash was
a private jet owned by Greg Biffle, but we do
not know yet as of for certain if Greg Biffle
was on board. There are plenty of reports out there
that might suggest the contrary. I would like to not
read any of those as confirmation on these airwaves until
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I'm absolutely sure, because quite frankly, I don't get any
prize for being first if I'm only eighty percent certain
that those reports are true. So I do not know
with one hundred percent certainty as if Greg Biffle was
on board when the plane crashed in Statesville, and it
doesn't seem that any of the reporters that I know
and trust have gone that route either. Right now, we
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know that a plane crashed, It was owned by Greg Biffle,
it was in Statesville. We do not know who was
on board at this time. We do know people that
were on board. There were fatalities because of that crash.
We'll let you know everything that we know as the
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oh four five seven oh ninety six to ten. Got
some Panthers injuries, got some knicks, got some bruises. It's
not like the Panthers are the healthiest going into this
Tampa Bay Buccaneers game, and it's a gotta have it game,
And it feels like Wes that it isn't for sure
the last game with these types of steaks, because if
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they win, then it's going to happen again in the
very last game of the season. But if they lose,
then this will have been the last game with the
types of steaks that come with possibly putting yourself in
position to win the NFC South. And if you lose,
I guess you still have a shot, but you got
to have Tampa lose to Miami, and Miami's decided to
go with quinn Ewers. And as we've said quite a
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bit this year, we have a new biggest game of
the season. We have a new biggest game for the
Panthers in quite sometimes it's literally just like the phrase
that we hate that coach speak players speak when they
say every game this week is the biggest game of
the season. Yeah, next week's the biggest game of the season,
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and the week after that and the week after that.
Before the Panthers it's literally that for them.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I hate it because trying to go one and out,
you know, I hate it when they.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Say that because it strips the value of what it
actually does. It actually is true when you're going from
week to week and it's the biggest game. Because when
they say it, when it's week five and you're three
and one, it's not the biggest game of the year.
Not right now, Okay, like, come on, let's actually treat
this with the spirit of the question. Let's treat it
with the tone that it deserves. But now it's not wrong.
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Like we'll get to this a little bit more in
the next segment. But when I've gone through each week
and tried to figure out, okay, this was the biggest
game of the year, this was the biggest game that
we've had in a while. It's almost half the games
because the position that the Panthers one have been in
organically and or have put themselves in because of terrible losses.
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So anyways, we'll see just how healthy they can be.
My girls and seven, So how it goes when you're
seven and seven? All right, let's get off the bus
talking some injuries, giving you all of the updates. Flound dog.
You just heard him. He's driving the bus as he
always does. Let's pull up to the scene, Let's open
up the doors, let's get off the bus.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Well, look good getting off the bus.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I got.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
All right, we got some good news bad news. I'm
gonna give you good news first, even though you and
I are both bad news first types of guys, because well,
the bad news launches into the segment, So just hear
me out on the on the good news. The good
news is the Bucks leading tackler has yet to practice
this week. Greg Auman just reported thirty five minutes ago.
Still know Levante David at Bucks practice today, but the
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rest are working again. Tyke Smith, goodness, Gracha, I don't
know this name. Cervoca, servocis Servasi.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, man cut up a lot of his take. How
about a tremendous linebackers. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You know, when I would hear the name or hear
it pronounced, I always just thought it was like the
drink I really did, But now I see it.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I did not realize that's how you spelled his name.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
But fair enough.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Anyways, Kate Oughten, they were all out there Wednesday, but
no Levante David, so that would help Levante David. I
don't know what it is about the NFC South and
opposing linebackers that never age, but apparently the Bucks have one,
the Saints have one. That's the good news in terms
of Carolina not needing to go against some of the
better players. Possibly we'll see about his prognosis as the
week goes on. The bad news is that we have
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some injuries ourselves in Carolina. Joe person tweeting out a
bunch of people taking some of the comments from the
players in the locker room, Joe said. Ikeyakwanu said he
underwent an MRI on his knee after experiencing discomfort early
in the Saints game. Declined to divulge what diagnosis it was,
but he said he'll do all he can to play
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against the Buccaneers. He's considered day to day right now,
so don't know if he's going to suit up. And
we also have a t mac injury here. Wes t
Mak said that he had a foot and ankle injury
and it's been lingering over the last couple of weeks.
It got rolled up on in the Saints game. He said,
the ball's in our court. It's our job to make
sure that we put it in the rim. And he's
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apparently going to give it a go against Tampa. I
think Dave Canal this expects Temac to be back out
there on the practice field. So tam Mac looks like
he's going to play, but he's hobbled a tiny bit. Ikey,
we just don't know if he's going to play. Thoughts
on some of those injuries, some big ones in my opinion,
I know, those some key injuries, I mean, but welcome
to life in the NFL. You know when you talk
about Tedoro having those injuries, and he's the go to
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guy for this offense, So this offense changes drastically with
him not out there on the field, So that's going
to be huge. And then Ikey Akwana as will you know,
we know that he's had his struggles this year, but
he's still their best option at left tackle. So if
he's not able to go either, I mean, if you're
missing both of those guys, even one of them is
definitely a blow to your offense. But certainly, if you
had to pick one of the two, tetoroal McMillan certainly
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will hurt a ton because he is the de fact
though number one option in the passing game.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I think both are. That would be an interesting question.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Is it obvious to say that t Mac would be
the biggest miss here if he did not suit up
against Tampa. Although it does look like he's going to right,
it's a Wednesday absence. You see Wednesday absences quite frequently.
It looks like he's going to suit up. But ikey, ikey,
I'm not so sure. And when he had the appendicitis
at the beginning of the year, he talked about how
terrible the timing was. He said that again with this
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knee injury, terrible timing of the injuries that he has suffered.
You put Yosh nim minute left tackle, he allows eight pressures,
just a terrible, terrible football game. Right tackle. Yosh has
actually been decent. When Timo has been out left tackle,
it's not been pritty.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
It makes me wonder too, Like, I mean, you know,
Taylor Motin is just a true right tackle, because I
wonder sometimes why they won't kick him over to left.
But some guys that like that. You have a lot
of linemen that are very versatile. They can play multiple
positions on multiple sides. And then you have some guys
that are just hand dominant where that's where they play,
and it seems to be that's where Taylor Moten is
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and that's probably why they have not moved him over.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, so we'll see what it is with Ikey. But
the t Mac injury, he said that's been lingering the
last couple of weeks. I don't know if that's been
a legitimate reason as to what's held him back the
last three weeks. There just hasn't been as many targets.
I don't know about separation whatever. This doesn't seem where
I gave Ikey a ton of grace when he came
back from the appendicitis and didn't play well at the
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beginning of the year and then really hit his stride.
I think we can go back and say, yeah, it
probably did take him a little while to cook coming
off of a surgery like that. T Mac, as much
as I love him, as much as I would like
to find excuses for him, I mean, maybe you can
put a little bit into it. With such a cutting
type of position that you play at wide receiver, if
you have a lingering ankle issue at the same time.
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I don't know if that's a real thing that's been
holding him back the last few weeks. I would like
for him to get going here, Wes, as everybody would,
you look at the offensive Rookie of the Year odds.
I went to FanDuel to check those odds out, expecting
to see t Mac either one or two, and I
was surprised to see Wes that he's actually the third
favorite in offensive Rookie the Year odds right now, and
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surprisingly number one. Do you know who it is? You
want to venture a guess? A Mecca Buka's two, So
I'll just take him off the table. A Mecca Buka
is second. T Mac is like barely right behind him.
I think it's plus two fifty for a Buka. It's
plus two to eighty. It's not Tyler one. Okay, I
give Traveon Henderson. Okay, Yeah, that makes sense. Look, it
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makes sense in the in the way that he's been
performing here lately. But man, one, a couple couple thoughts here.
I don't feel like t Mac should be third. T
Mac has at least been productive for the most part
all season long, outside of really the last three games.
It took a while before Travion got cooking. It was
Ramadre Stevenson that was starting the year up there in
New England and then Trayon took over and he's been good,
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but they didn't trust him in pass protection and it's
not like he had a high success rate. So I
just don't feel like Henderson should be number one in
offensive Rookie of the Year odds t Mak and Abuka.
I got my case for Tmak over Abuka. But what
maybe if I feel like this, maybe other people feel
like it and we can just get good odds on
putting money down on Timak to win this thing at
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the end of the year. Do you think t Mak
is going to end up with the hardware or do you
think it goes to somebody else?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Man, that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I would probably say if I had to bet today,
I would probably say no, not because he won't be deserving,
but I just that's just how I feel in the moment.
And he has had a little bit of a step
back and with the injury, so these games are going
to be huge for him as well. What can he
do because when you look at Henderson, he's had some
explosive moments and I know since I forget which week
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it is. I know he's led the league in rushing
by decent margin, and then you know, you talk about moments.
I mean, even though they lost the game, he goes
for one hundred and forty eight and two scores on
Buffalo and that was a big game, you know, for
the Patriots. So if he continues on a tear like
he's been, then I think that, yeah, he's going to
be up there. And the only reason why I said
it made sense is because of the fact that I
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was missing his name. But he has been, you know,
one of the hotter rookies probably over the last five
or six weeks. But I think t Max got a
chance for sure down the stretch is going to be
a big determining factor in that.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I'm gonna be a little frustrated. Yeah, I'm a Panthers fan.
I'm definitely biased against the guy that I like and
plays for my favorite team. No doubt, Accuse me of
that all you want. You're not wrong in accusing me
of that. Also, I feel like I have a pretty
damn good case when I say Trevion Henderson the most
amount of yards that he ran for in a game,
leading all the way up to October twenty sixth against
the Browns. So the first half of the season, the
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most amount of yards that he ran for was thirty two. Yeah,
so you go on consistency, Well, I'm just going, yeah, like,
can you give me anything in the first half of
the season, and then he ran for over one hundred twice.
He did so against Tampa, and then he did so
against the Buffalo Bills, but in the three games before that,
he didn't reach seventy. I just I don't it's so
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much what have you done for me lately that I'm
afraid that both of our rookies here in Charlotte are
going to be victims of that. If konk Nipple just
puts up bonkers numbers all year long and then Cooper
Flag has a really strong last month of the season
and wins Rookie of the Month out West, I hope
con Kinniple still gets value, still gets credit for having
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contributed as consistently as he has all year long, and
might win Rookie of the Year because of that. But
I'm afraid that he might be a victim to what
Cooper might do the last month, the last two months,
And I'm afraid of t mac being a victim to
Travon Henderson. I thought we only had to worry about
Abuka and Jackson Dart, Tyler Warren for a little bit.
But I thought we only had to worry about the
Giants QB and the Bucks wide receiver Henderson.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I just I'm sorry, man.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I end up getting flipped though, because, like I said,
they'll look and they could say, well, yeah, he's had
two one hundred yard games, he had one ninety nine.
But they could point out some of the lighter statistical
games for him. And if he continues Mac, you mean yes,
and if he continues going to rate that he's going
now where he's not putting up good numbers, they could
say that he faltered down the strets. Because if he
goes thirty five to forty three twenty five against New
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Orleans and then if he doesn't show up, let's just
say he doesn't clear fifty yards the next three weeks,
then that would be a big argument for people to say, well,
he failed down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
If he falls down the stretch and does this consistent,
okay with it all the way to the end of
the season. I'm okay with Abuka possibly getting it over
t mac But Henderson like, are you allowed to just
light a first half of the season on fire for
rookie the year?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well, I mean if he finishes the year, I mean,
if he let's just say he has a let's say
he goes two one hundred yard games out of the
next three, and I mean that will put him over
one thousand. Yeah, I mean, I don't No, it is
tough when you sit there and you say you want
a full body of work. But you know when you
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talk about also, Man, you got a factor in his
team and how good they are, and how big of
a fact that he's playing in how what they've been
playing as of late.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So they're gonna look at that too. The wins and losses.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, fair enough, they were pretty good without him being
the starting running back. But the Abuka thing too, I
just I don't know, Man being third, that was surprising
to me.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Being third.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
The Jackson dark QB bias I thought might even surpass him.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
But it's not even Jackson, because I would.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Think his rookie is kind of following in a path
like Chris Johnson's, because Chris Johnson came on in the
second half of his rookie, and didn't he win Offensive
Rookie of the Year that year?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Maybe I gotta look, that's fair. He's got two games
over eight hundred yards. Man, I love him as a
football player. I really enjoy him. He's got two games
above one hundred yards, and in the games where he
had not even seventy he's averaged like three point two
three point three yards per carry.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And then if you go with the scrimmage yards, he's
put up some good scrimmage yards. Since the Cleveland game,
he's been seventy five yards a better from scrimmage over
that time period.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
He's a good football player. Is a rookie of the
last quarter of the year? Is at rookie of the year?
A well, I mean that's my question. But Big walk
t Max got some paltry games in as well, that's right,
and let's count them compared to Travion. Okay, okay wins. No,
just it's it's not like we can accuse me of
being biased. It's just okay, twenty seven yards, ten, twenty eight,
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thirty two, twenty four, twenty seven to five, sixty two,
sixty six sixty seven, Right, I mean Trevon has more.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
He got a forty eight, twenty nine, thirty three, thirty five,
forty three, twenty five, and.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
The forties forties are more than what Travion had in
a lot of these games. Right, Like, if we I'm
just saying, if we wanted to call a spade a
spade and be as equal as possible, then you would
have to go below the thirty to reach the threshold
that Henderson was reaching consistently through the first half of
the season.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It just don't make any sense to me.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Well, I'll say this that you know, trav despite his
first half struggles, he's got seventy seven hundred and seventy.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Three rushing yards.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Tart Row has got eight hundred and fifty one, and
maybe it's just a projection. He's also got two hundred
and twelve yards receivens. So he's got nine hundred and
eighty five scrimmage yards and eight you know, total touchdowns,
and so he does have walk I hate to tell you,
he does have more scrimmage yards than tator rowall buy
a decent margin. He's got nine to eighty five to
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eight fifty one.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
That's great.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
So the two the two game, man, he's been more
productive you.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Can call me bias. That's fine. I think you're biased too.
I'm not. It's just saying.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
My man's got thirty four catches, he's got nine hundred
and eighty five scrimmage yards and eight touchdowns. It doesn't
matter how he got there. He's still having a really
really productive rookie year. That's all I'm saying. And I
think that's probably what I'm playing into this, and if
he continues at this trajectory, he's gonna end. Know what,
the pretty pretty good rookie campaign Beggars says, Walker just
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hates running backs. I know, yeah, we're into it. Can't
dodge it. I am k Tom Mafia. Walker has gone
full blown Homer. Yeah, I'll be that. That's fine because
if t Max started turning on the second half of
the season, we hit Walker may have banging the table
for him over Trevion.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Except I just said, Abuca, See I got holes in
your argument all over the place with this Rookie of the
Year conversation. I really did want to take a serious
note to update people on some stuff that people have
been asking about.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
On the fandual text line.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
There actually is some melancholy news breaking and We're not
exactly sure of all of the information, but we do
have a plane crash in Statesville and the plane belonged
to NASCAR driver Greg Biffle. We do not know if
he was on board at this time. So I hate
to take this kind of turn, but I do want
people to understand what is taking place here locally. According
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to WSOC, we don't know who was on the plane.
The initial call to emergency services was at about ten
twenty am. Channel nine's day Farity is at the airport,
where more first responders arrived. Roads around the airport are blocked.
A witness from nearby Lakewood Golf Club said the plane
was quote way too low before it crashed. Chopper nine
(17:10):
sky Zoom was on the way to crash, but the
pilot had to turn around because of inclement weather conditions.
So again, I'm just reading this from WSOC. There has
been a plane crash in Statesful and the plane was
owned by Greg Biffle. It is important to note that
we do not know if Greg Biffle was on board.
We do not know of anybody specifically that was on board.
We will provide updates as the show goes on here
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Speaker 2 (18:08):
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Speaker 1 (18:09):
That's all the Carolina's personal injury lawyers. We hit you
with some pretty heavy breaking news in case you're just
joining us. Within the last five minutes, we do have
some breaking news coming in from Iredale County. The Ierdale
County Sheriff confirms that there are fatalities in a plane crash.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
In that plane.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
The plane did belong to Greg Biffle. We do not
know if Greg Biffle or his family members were on
board at this time. There are conflicting reports, so I
will say that there are conflicting reports. When you go
to Twitter, when you go to your social media site,
whatever it may be, I do not want to read
anything that I cannot one hundred percent confirm from people
that I know and trust around the area. So right now,
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as far as the reporters that and publications that I trust.
We do not know who was on board at this point,
Joe Bruno tweeting out that we don't know who or
how many were on board, but the Irodale County Sheriff
does confirm that there were fatalities on that plane crash,
So I don't know who was affected or involved at
this point. Certainly Greg Biffil having owned the plane. It
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is a scary situation for the Biffel family. Regardless, I'm
not exactly sure of all the information that is out
there outside of we don't know who was on board.
There was a private jet that was crashed in Statesville
close to Lakewood Golf Club if you need some kind
of landmark for reference, and it was there. You can
see that there's a lot of smoke. It was a
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pretty devastating looking crash, and we do have confirmed fatalities.
We just don't know who it was that passed away
as of yet. We will keep you up to date,
and as we only know how, we'll we'll try to
weave in and out of this storyline as the show
goes on, and we will provide as much information as
we have it come through on our social media timelines
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and In the meantime, we'll try to make the awkward
transition that is sports radio every once in a while,
and we'll go to some of the other topics that
we have planned.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
This time.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
We just don't have any other information outside of the
plane that was owned by Greg Biffel did crash in
Statesville and the Ideal County Sheriff did confirm that there
are some fatalities, some heartbreaking news coming in on Sports
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oh four five seven oh ninety six ten. We will
get back to some Panthers talk as we again weave
in and out of this big time stories that are
happening today. The Panthers do have a monster game against
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. We are hoping that t Mac
can produce somehow, some way, so he can rightfully, in
my opinion, take the Rookie of the Year award back
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from Trabion Henderson, who has two games above one hundred
yards and now we want to say that he's the
rookie of the Year, but it's.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Okay, scrimmas, y'all some people. Let's not forget that running
backs do this, right, we're doing that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Now wait are we are talking facts? Yes? Right, but
we are doing that.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
We can't dismiss the man's production. Now, I'm not why
is it you said running backs do this. We over receivers.
They have more scrimmag yards.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Because this is a reason when you go in fantasy
football that you're gonna draft the top wide receivers for sure,
but it's all running back game.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It's because they get the stats.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Trevion Henderson West, how can you look at his game
log and tell me that this is a man that
has produced at a monster level weekend and week out.
And then you want to say the tm AC numbers
where you went with the forties were paultry man. Travion
Henderson has a million games under forty.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
No, I understand that, But like I said, no matter
how we got here, he still has almost a thousand
scrimmage yards. So he's been productive enough to put up
the numbers that he has, Yes, and he deserves. And
I also know too in some of those games, like
you know, with running backs, because I even had to
get out of their mentality sometimes of judging running backs
by their one thousand yard game one one hundred yard games,
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because I know that obviously, in an old format it
took sixty three to get there. Now I think it's
a little bit less than sixty or whatnot to get there.
So but I still count a sixty five seventy yard game,
and if he has eighty ninety Scrimma's yards, I count that,
you know, as a productive date. There's more than one
way to get your production. But I'm going to respect
the nine to eighty five. I mean, you know, obviously
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there's no other rookie running backs that's putting up these
types of numbers.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
No, there's not, and there's I don't know, so we
can call him the best rookie running back.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Like I'm okay with that. Well, I mean yeah, I'm
okay with that.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
What's what's the thing that is inaccurate that I'm saying
here with the Henderson that's my issue.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I mean, yeah, he's got he's got some light games.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
But at the end of the day, like I said,
you know, I respect the production that he has put up,
you know, this season, but I.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Can respect it as well.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I don't want to give him any hardware for it,
but I can respect it because he is good. I
really like Trevon Henderson's game. I will say this, I
do think Mike Rabel should have been starting him way
earlier than what he did. But Mike Rabel was somebody
that didn't want to start him because of the lack
of pass protection, and that's why he decided to go
with Raman J. Stevens and they were a really good
football team winning a ton of games where he wasn't
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giving you all of this primetime production either way, No
hate to Trayvon Henderson. I'm just trying to give the
award a t MAC at this point, and hopefully t
MAC can ball out against Tampa because Tampa, as we've
gone through it, wes Tampa this weekend, it's the biggest
game that they've had in a really long time, and
we were saying that, I guess kind of last week
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like trying to classify the big games that they've had,
because this is the joke, Panthers playing their biggest game
of the year. They're playing the biggest game that they've
played in quite some time. I tried to go through
it on the schedule and figure out. Okay, what game
classifies as that? Tell me if I'm wrong, because I
had a really hard time with this. Atlanta Week three
felt like a big one because you'd be oh and
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three and at that point you would lose to a
division rival. Not biggest game in a while, but like
big game for the season. Green checked that oh and
three and happening at home. That would have been bad.
But they came out, they won Cowboys Week six. I
thought about including Miami week five, but Miami was a
bad football team, I you know, I don't. It didn't
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feel like as big of a game as what the
Panthers had with the Cowboys at home.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Would you put Miami there?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I think when you look at it by you know,
on paper saying the Dallas Cowboys and everything that comes
with that. But no, I would include Miami in that because,
like I said, you come home, you'll won in three.
You lose that game you won in four, your season's
pretty much cooked at that point. Like that was the
game in my opinion, that turned a lot of things
around for them. In that Miami game. That was the
emergence of Rico o' daldo. That's when this offense showed
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some signs of life, especially after that beat down in
New England.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
So no, I would include Miami and that as well.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Okay, fair enough, So Atl week three, Miami Week five,
Dallas Week six. I had Dallas here too. Are you
okay with the illusion of Dallas?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I put Bill's Week eight. I remember the discourse surrounding
that one. We had a lot on the line there. Now,
Panthers were absolutely terrible, right, I'm trying to figure out
going into these matchups, how big these games were. Going
into that game against Buffalo, we felt like, you beat Buffalo.
They were starting to reel at the time, just a
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little bit relatively speaking what it means to reel for
a Buffalo team. But they had shown some vulnerabilities. It
felt like Carolina could capitalize on that. People were picking
Carolina at home because Buffalo was struggling just a tad bit,
and then Buffalo laid the SmackDown on them. It was
Andy Dalton starting at QB. But I put the bills here?
Would you put the bills here?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah? And I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
What a tough exercise this is because of the fact
of the way that the Panthers were doing their business.
Because it's not like they got off to a six
and two start. So if they lose this game, oh well,
because you know, I'm looking at that Jets game that
gave you the opportunity to get over five hundred, and
that was a game that you felt like that they
had to win. If they did, that was going to
be a truly disappointing loss. And so it is too
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when you go through the season topsy turvy like this.
It's like, man, each game does feel very important for
different reasons because you either have a chance to go
up a game or you don't want to go down
a game, and stuff like that. So I'm with you
saying how hard of an exercise this must have been.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Going into these contests. Is the framing I'm looking for,
not after the fact, not what the result meant. After
the fact. Going into these games is what I'm looking for,
which is why I preface this next game by saying that, Wes,
I don't know if I had the Packers game here.
I think the Packers game became important after the fact
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because of the victory that they got, But we were
not talking about that Packers game the way that we
were talking about that Bills.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Okay, the victory now hindsight, we talk about important results. Yes, monstrous,
but coming in when you talk pregame storylines, I agree
with you, all right, So we leave the Packers off
of it. Right now, we still have Atlanta Week three,
Miami Week five, Dallas week six, Bill's week eight. We
skip the Packers. I don't know what to do with
the first Saints game. I'd say that's an after the
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fact game. The loss made that more heartbreaking than going
into it because everybody thought, all right, it's Saints. Time
to get this victory, time to get this dub Okay,
So we'll leave the Saints off of it. Falcons, I
put back. I think both games against Atlanta were monstrous. Yes,
because of the letdown that you had against New Orleans.
You needed to see Bryce Young ball out. Remember the
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discourse Dave Canalis Bryce Young? Is it Bryce not throwing downfield?
Is there it Dave not drawing up the options? So
Atlanta I thought was huge and they delivered, So I'll
put atl as well. So that's both games against Atlanta.
I think San Francisco was Monday night football primetime. You
already have a little glow on it. There and it
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felt like, hey, we're already watching an inconsistent football team.
Can you string together consecutive victories for the first time
since what you did back Week six? Week seven? Cowboys Jets?
And they laid a big egg I think going into it,
and the result was big time football conversation against San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I would say that that's the thing too where it
starts to get complicated, because I would imagine maybe at
that point, because the Panthers was six and five, you
felt like you had a real chance. And I'm not
saying that the Panthers had no shot to win that
San Francisco game in the LA games, but I was
going to say, do we look at those games more
after the fact because of the fact that we thought
that they wouldn't win either.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Well, I'll just go ahead and jump ahead to look
at my argument. I think that's true of the Rams.
Fiddy and his Panthers. Hey, don't call me home or
a team Mac called Panther. Panther Fitty is a real thing.
He's the only one that picked the Panthers beating the Rams. Remember,
they had injuries, nobody expected them to get that win.
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Best team in football. We had finally everybody had decided
la best team in football. Even if they're going to Carolina,
the injuries that the Panthers had there without j C.
Horn against that wide receiver duo cooked ain't gonna happen,
and yet they provided one of the best upsets of
the year. So with what you're saying, I think that
applies to the Rams. I thought there was a real
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shot Carolina could beat San Fran. I really did, especially
because san Fran had been banged up. Rock Party had
just come back, and I think he showed that he
was still really rusty, having thrown for a couple of interceptions.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Where are you on this?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I felt like I can't win because whatever I say,
people are going to say it. But I'm still going
to say what I'm going to say because this is
our damn chill. Okay, No, I did not think the
Panthers were going win that game. I just felt like
the forty nine ers were too experienced in that environment
in primetime games. Soliding that defense, I felt like they
would find a way. Now, I didn't expect Brock Preddy
to throw three picks, but we're also talking about going
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into the game.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
What do we think.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, you know, now, I did not think the Panthers
had zero chance. But if I were to put odds
on it, in my own mind, I felt about seventy
five eighty five. I mean seventy five to twenty five
eighty t twenty at best that I thought the Panthers
will win that game.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
So I would put San fran you would not. It's
the only real disagreement because at Miami I was so
fifty to fifty. I need a guidance. Thank you for
guiding me, Sir San Francisco. I still have it there.
You do not, rams none of us have it because
going into the game, we all thought they were gonna lose.
I don't know what to do with this last Saints game.
I think I think for sure this falls into that category. Yeah,
(30:23):
I think you're right. I just the prospects of being swept. Yeah,
you needed it to put yourself in a great position
in a division. So I think those two factors alone
going into the game made that a huge game.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I can't believe they got swept by Saints. I can't
believe it happened. I mean, it was right there, it
was right there.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
We It's funny because the tone did not match the
substance of what we were discussing on Sports Radio ninety
two to seven WFNZ. The way we were talking was
with excitement, was with a real we were talking with opportunity,
but some of the substance, like we knew logically somewhere
in our brain. Every host that talked on these microphone said,
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I am scared, Like I, I do have some worry
that the Panthers might lose it. But the way that
you heard us talking, right, the tenor of the conversation
was we're about to do this thing.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah, I felt again if I went to odds in
my mind, I went in about ninety ten. But the
Panther's winning that game. I thought that there was hardly
any chance that they would lose this game.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
We got.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
We already got rid of the Saints loss. They're not
going to respond the same out. They're not going to
get too big for their bridges. Again, that's not going
to happen, except it did. So, so here's the games
that I have then, because I'm I'm with you on
New Orleans. It was it was a weird one. And
then we'll have Tampa this time. Right, So Atlanta Week three,
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Miami Week six, Dallas week seven, excuse me, Cowboys week six,
Bill's Week eight, and then Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I need to stop saying that.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
But Atlanta the second game San Francisco, Monday Night Football
New Orleans in Tampa. So that's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
eight games that we've had a lot on the line
coming into all of these matchups. Now, how have they
performed like that? That's only the first half of like
the first half of the segment. The second half is
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how have they performed in the games where you had
monster steaks? How about the first three wes backs against
the Wall, beat Atlanta, beat Miami, beat Dallas, impressive stuff.
They lose to the Bills, they beat Atlanta, they lose
to San fran they lose to New Orleans. So they
do have more wins than losses. But it goes to
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show the inconsistency of this m I mean, just continuing
to be as inconsistent as possible. Aar says, this segment
is really making me angry because I have to relive
the rage I felt with all of these losses. Yeah, man,
that's right. K tow Mafia, who's not been happy with
me lately. I don't know what it is, Kate town Mafia, Like,
you tell me what the issue is. I just want
to make sure that we're all good, he says Walker.
(33:04):
The Saints swept to the Panthers because you're rookie of
the year. T mac bawled out, Oh that's right, he
was non existing. Boom yeah, got the big gun. Oh yeah,
oh that's right. I forgot he wasn't even on the field.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
That's one of the best sarcastic. Oh yeah, not right, right,
Oh yeah, that's rights. If you put the accents with
it in front of the person and you like put
your hands on your head or you going.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
To a thinking gesture, and especially like with k Tom Mafia,
how do you feel like do you think that he
pounded the send button? Do you think he mashed it?
Do you think some like pixels were starting to change
colors on him?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
He delicately did it with a uh yeah yeah, bleep
eating grin on his face. Ye yah, yeah yeah, t Mac.
That was the reason they had travon Henison. They would
have won one hundred.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And forty yards.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
That would have been one of the two games he
went over one hundred that's would have been right there
with the New Orleans Saints. What has been the common
issue to put a bow on this with the Panthers
and the losses that they've experienced in the big games,
because again, as we go through it, right the ones
that we relatively agreed on, I have San Francisco. If
you don't have San Francisco, then you really think they've
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actually outperformed the competition in the bigger games than they
have underperformed. Because San Francisco is not on the board,
I would put him there. That was a terrible contest
from them. So what has been the biggest issue when
they don't play up to stuff in these cars?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
A lack of run game, Yeah, lack of run game
as well, and then the other team passing the football
on them. That the way that they have so pass
defense and lack of run game. But if I had
to pick one, it was that because the Panthers have
performed as some of their best performances when they've been
able to run the football effectively.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
You know, you just look through it.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
You know, the Rams win, you get eighty three yards
out of Chube Hubbard beat Green Bay, you get one
hundred and thirty out of Rico Dowd, or you look
at the Dallas game one eighty three, so on and
so forth. So to me, when the Panthers are really
able to establish the run, that's when they've performed at
their best. You know, they've been been able to overcome
deficiencies on defense, and so yeah, that's where I would go.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, the passing game for short in some of the
games that like, honestly, it's funny because you look at
the offense in these games. They scored thirty against Atlanta,
they scored twenty seven against Miami, they scored thirty against Dallas.
They scored thirty against Atlanta the second time out. But
when they haven't reached thirty, it's been a putrid offensive effort.
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Buffalo with Dalton at quarterback, they scored nine first time
against the Saints, they scored seven. Second time they played
the Saints, they scored seventeen. It's just been the offense
like letting it rip downfield rams if you want to
call that one. Right, when they've been successful, they've scored
thirty and I'd said, I've put a bow on it,
all right, it's already wrapped and I going.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
To open up the package.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
We have another segment to get to some of the
other leftover thoughts, and we do need to get to
some of the topics that we didn't get to yesterday.
Jalen Kocher Is he a legit wide receiver too?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Also?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Are we just pass the point of handing play calling
duties over to brad Izick this year? I think it's
pretty obvious that you wouldn't do it, But is there
still some play for that next year in the eyes
of Panthers fans. We'll get to all of that coming
up next. Sports Radio ninety two seven WFZ one more
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segment to go in the twelve o'clock hour. You're listening
to Sports Radio ninety two to seven WFNZ. I did
want to get to a couple of topics that I
promised we would yesterday and didn't deliver on that promise.
It happens every once in a while. One of the
topics that we had was the play calling duties. Are
we pass the point of handing the responsibility of that
over to brad Izick? It feels like, certainly this year
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you wouldn't change it. With three weeks left to go
in the regular season and if you do have a
postseason appearance, you wouldn't change it then going into your
playoff game. But it doesn't mean that there aren't Panthers
fans out there that wouldn't like to hand over play
calling duties over to Brad Itzick because of some of
the inconsistencies. So if we think that it's not going
to happen this year, what are the chances that it
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actually happens next year before the season starts or at
some point mid season in twenty six.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
That's an interesting proposition. And you know, obviously, when you
hire the head coach just specializes in something, it's hard
to I always think it's going to be hard for
them to fully give up their expertise in a certain area.
So I still think that no matter what, Canalys is
going to have a heavy hand on the offense. That's
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kind of just how it goes sometimes, and so for me,
I don't know that he'll ever gain the total reigns
of it. I think things would have to really go
bad for Canals to do it, And like you said,
it feels like an admittance when that happens, and then
it also kind of leads the bad things. So you're
in a bad spot when it happens. So I'm not
sure the scenario on which the passing of that baton
would take place.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, you know my feelings on it.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
If the value of having Dave Canalis as your head
coach is his offensive mind, and maybe you don't believe
that to be true anymore, I still think that there
is good A lot of people have been referencing the
fact that the Panthers are way down towards the bottom
and points per game, not even averaging nineteen per contest,
and I think they're like fifth to last in that regard.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That is true.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I do think this is where we can start to
have some fun with numbers, right, like you know, a
kid with Travon Henderson. Because yes, I do want TMAC
to win. But I guess part of my issue is
like so much weight goes behind some of the outlier performances.
And I do think even with the Panthers having not
scored all that much on an average basis, and that's
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a big issue, I'd rather than be more consistent. This
is not actually any way to defend Dave Canalis. I
would write, I would rather have the offense be a
lot more consistent. They are tied for twelfth in terms
of most thirty point games put up this season, and
I wonder if that means anything to anybody. It just
feels like with Dave Wes, we have like one end
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of the spectrum or the other. With Dave Canalys and
maybe even specifically this offense, right, we either are going
to go for thirty a game or thirty that game,
or we're not even going to put ten points up
or twenty. There's not many consistent Yeah, just give me
twenty four, give me a few touchdowns on a field goal. No,
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it's we will give you less than twenty, or we'll
reach the thirty point threshold and we'll win the game
when we put thirty points. And so it feels like
the median of that brings you all the way down
to the bottom. But they are tied for twelfth for
most thirty point games put up this season. It goes
back to the word that has been the theme of
the season, the lack of consistency. The inconsistency is across
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the board.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yeah, And I think the thing is for a lot
of people, it's how they're getting it done, because if
they were putting up some of these numbers, and they
did it in the same style every time. I think
people will obviously be more on board whether it because
that's the thing you see people complaining about, and that's
the thing that I've said too. Now I get it
when you look at Belichicking and Patriots and the Heyday,
they did change their offensive identity almost weekly based off
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the opponents that they were going against, and they had
to requisite players to be able to do so. So
that's ideally what you would want, But I think for
Panthers fans, they feel like that when they decide to
go as one style or the other suffers. And so
it feels like we talked a lot about thirteen formations
and things like that, and I said, I feel like
when you condense the formations and you have receivers who
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don't necessarily win at a high rate, then that creates
more work for.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Them to be able to do.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Then also, you know, you run the ball well, but
you're not dominant running the football, So when you try
to play in a phone booth with a lot of
these teams, that's tough for the anthwers to do as well.
Push you in second and long third and long et cetera,
et cetera. And so that kind of backs things up
to where we feel like that we've seen an example,
and when they did go to, you know, a more
wide open style, we saw some very exciting results. We
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saw some gaudy results. We saw career game from Bryce Young.
And I'm not saying that's the way that they need
to play all the time, but it's like, can we
figure out one main style and then have branches coming
off of that tree? So can you pick a tree
and then have branches that come off of that that
you can throw other people off so they don't get
a read on what you're doing all the time. But
I think that's the main frustration of so many is
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that they feel like that when they decide to pick
a style, one suffer.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah, And it feels like the Rams game was that
like the perfect type of game plan where you see
the run game and the passing game and it's not
like Bryce through for three hundred yards, right he didn't,
But Bryce through downfield and he connected and you still
your identity was still ground and pound. It was still
running the football and then having Bryce hit the throws
he needs to off of what you were able to
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do running the football. There's quite a few people on
the text line that brought up what I believe to
be the Rick Stroud sound when Rick Stroud joined Kyle
Bailey and discussed Dave Canalis as the play caller down
in Tampa Flounders looking for it now, but apparently Tampa
Bay didn't think Dave Canalis was all that good of
an offensive coordinator. Is what people on the text line
understand of Rick Stroud and what his comments were. Let's
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hear it straight from the Buccaneers beat reporter himself.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
I would say this about Dave. His strength is not
playing calling. Okay, now you may not agree with that assessment,
but it's true.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
And you know, and.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
If you ask people in this building and players in particular,
they will tell you that. Now, having said all that,
I know he fancies himself as an offensive play caller.
When he got here, he hadn't done it since Carson
High School in California. Now, you know, just because you're
in the NFL, and this is what I would do.
All that kick great, but they didn't run. They were
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last in the league in rushing. And I believe when
when Dave was he and you know, they didn't have
a lot of answers at the line of scrimmage right
for the quarterback to get out of place. I don't
know if that's changed. I suspect it hadn't changed a
whole lot, but those things will get you. I always
thought that he would be a better head coach than
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a play call you know, because a lot of the
job of the head coaches to set the tone. I
think he's done that Carolina.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
So Rick Stroud feels like he would be a better
head coach than he would be a play caller. Talking
with players down in Tampa, there are players that he
says didn't even feel like Dave Canalis's strength was as
a play caller. If you go back when Dave Canalys
was hired, there were a bunch of glowing comments about
who he was as a guy. You had offensive linemen
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in Seattle, a few different people up in Seattle, quarterbacks
Gino Smith lauded Dave Canalis for what he was Russell o'coon.
Then you go to Tampa, Tampa, Mike Evans remember his
comments about how Dave Canalys was a great guy. I
don't know if he or specifically mentioned him as a
play caller. But he did have a glowing review of
his time with Dave down in Tampa for the one
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year there. I guess we're some rumblings about Baker not
exactly being thrilled with the way things went in that
one year. But here's the tricky part, Wes. This is
why it's difficult for me to evaluate Dave as a
play caller slash head coach man. You have seen quarterbacks
completely salvage their career on his watch. Veteran QBS Gino
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Smith gives them credit for that when he was working
directly with Gino. Dave Canalis working directly with Baker. It's
the best year that we got from Baker. And I
don't know quite some time since the playoff year up
in Cleveland and then Cleveland moved on Carolina moved on LA.
Despite the one game that he played pretty well, they
moved on. So okay, Baker played well under Dave Canalis.
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I wonder how much autonomy he allows his quarterbacks to have,
as Rick Stroud puts it, when the quarterbacks, I guess,
haven't earned the right to have a ton of autonomy
in their previous spots, and so Dave has the plan
to get the best out of them. One thing that
is true about Dave. He was on the team that
got the best out of Gino. He was on the
team that got the best out of Baker. And guess what,
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He's been on the team that's gotten the best out
of Brice compared to every other play caller that he's
worked with so far in his professional career. I think
he deserves credit for it. At the same time, you
do have some questions about it. When this Luke Kickley
even christened him as having the goods luke Keickley boy
genius on the opposite line of scrimmage. It's tough to
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evaluate them.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, And I mean we talk all the time about
how hard play calling is, and obviously you can get
into rhythms, you can cook, as the kids say, and
get out there and have a game or two where
you're getting it done. And I guess people just want
to see more consistency. And that was regards because like
you look, for example, when we talk about the Rams
game and how that game went, because Atlanta they decided
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to throw the ball a ton forty five attempts right there,
and if you look at the yards per attempt though
on both of those, but he had his highest yards
per attempt against the Rams, and I guess that's what
people feel like, and that's what I feel like would
be kind of the elixa there because they're twenty fourth
in the league overall for the season in yards per
passe attempt, they only average six point six, and so
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I feel like that if coach canal is, you know, obviously, yes,
you want to run the ball. You got establish the run,
we know that. But if you're a little bit more
aggressive in the past attempts when you do decide to
take them, because they only threw the ball twenty times
against the Rams, I think that would be a little
bit better formula for this offense to be able to
be more explosive. And I think that when we see
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some of these other games. I mean, he's got games
as low, you know, the first time against Atlanta five
yards per attempt, New England five yards per attempt, and
you know, that's game plan type of stuff right there,
to where they're trying to more so manage the game
than being aggressive. And so it feels like that when
the Panthers have had bad performances, that coach Canalis decides
to take the approach to be more aggressive, and then
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when he feels a little bit more comfortable on where
they're at, that they don't do it so much because
they don't want to risk whatever it is that they
want to risk. And I think that's the thing that
fuststakes people a lot too. And that's the thing that
first dates me when I watch them, is that it's
just like you can tell early on, you know, by
the past attempts that they attempt, you know what type
of time they're on. And when he wakes up and
(47:26):
decides to choose violence, as they say, that's when I
think we get the best results out of this team.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Seven oh four, five, seven oh ninety six to ten.
We have a few texts coming in. Wall says, canalys
is conservative, probably good for the QB. Sometimes it's tough
when the defense or running game is having a bad day,
Wes says. Wes and Walker, is this you typing this in?
It might be you're going to have some such propaganda
that you're trying to pass off as a burner account.
Wes says. Is it possible that the Panthers just aren't
good enough to look consistent on offense? Yes, it is possible.
(47:54):
That's absolutely possible that they just don't have the right
weapons that Dave wants for his offense at its peak
powers and finally, Puny Giant says, here's one way to
look at it. Can Aalis has experience helping veteran qbs,
but this is his first time grooming a young quarterback
and having a development project, which is something we did
consider when he was hired as the head coach. Again,
(48:15):
going back to the Greg Biffle story, just wanted to
update everybody on what has taken place so far. I
want to pull this up so I get this exactly correct.
We don't have any news as of now with the
confirmation of Greg Biffle's presence on board. There was a
plane crash in Statesville. The Iodale County sheriff said that
he could confirm that there were fatalities. There is no
(48:37):
confirmation on who did pass away because of that plane crash.
We also know that that plane that did crash was
a private jet owned by Greg Biffle, but we do
not know yet as of for certain if Greg Biffle
was on board. There are plenty of reports out there
that might suggest the contrary. I would like to not
read any of those as confirmation on these airwaves until
(48:59):
I'm absolutely sure, because quite frankly, I don't get any
prize for being first if I'm only eighty percent certain
that those reports are true. So I do not know
with one hundred percent certainty as if Greg Biffle was
on board when the plane crashed in Statesville, and it
doesn't seem that any of the reporters that I know
and trust have gone that route either. Right now, we
(49:21):
know that a plane crashed, It was owned by Greg Biffle,
it was in Statesville. We do not know who was
on board at this time. We do know people that
were on board. There were fatalities because of that crash.
We'll let you know everything that we know as the
show goes on today. Campus Corner Coming up next, PATS
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