December 23, 2025 • 45 mins
In the first hour of the show, Wes and Flounder check in on how Panther fans are feeling a day after a Victory Monday, tell you if quarterback play at the NFL is regressing and discuss if Bryce Young is a quarterback that we could see throw for 4,000 yards.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Oh, the Sports Radio ninety two point seven fmufn C.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Great fun. He's the Western Walker Show. Even the crowd
knows what's coming there.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Queen City West Bryant in the building. This is the
Western Walker Show. Sports Radio ninety two seven w FNZ.
Walker Male is not here, So you've got Wes and
Flounder in the building. Middle aged white men of America,
you watched Philip Rivers last night. What do you now
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feel like you can do because you watched Philip Rivers
last night? Do you feel did he give you the
Liam Nice effect? I asked Colin when I came into
the studio this question, and he said that there are
a couple of things. He said, he's going to go
back into the high post now when he's playing pickup basketball.
So I feel like that he's putting a battery and
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a lot of middle aged men, but especially middle aged
white men, after they watched Philip Rivers last night. You guys,
are you gonna go back and join your flag football teams?
Are you gonna just say the hell with my achilles?
Philip Rivers made me a believer? How do you feel
about it? Finally, did he give you any type of
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encouragement last night, something that you felt like maybe you
couldn't do anymore, But because you watched Philip Rivers, you said,
I can now do this.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Because of Philip.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, maybe I maybe get a date or something. I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Maybe that's the direction that we're going in here, but
it's amazing to continue to watch him play the way
that he's playing.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
He played well. Yes, their defense did not.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They did not.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
My daddy, who's your daddy's daddy, said I'm forty six
with five kids. I'm thinking I might have five more
in me. There you go to a spirit, that's the spirit.
That's what Philip rivers. He might inspire you know, you
guys out there to want to have some more children.
Maybe you can have ten kids of your own. But
as I was just telling Colin, going in that grocery
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store these days, I don't know if that's the kind
of smoke you want with all the babies, especially if
they're eating a lot going up in that grocery store
to be able to pay some of these prices that
are out here. But happy holidays to you guys, and
a lot of you guys are out there getting ready
for your Christmas holidays, you know whatever, you celebrate, Kwanza,
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all of those different things. You know, I know you're
getting ready for that, getting those last minute gifts. Are
you're out at the mall listening to us in your earbuds,
trying to keep from fighting over toys, fighting over clothes,
getting into all of those things. Are you doing that?
Find out you finished with your Christmas shopping? Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
So unfortunately the one gift that I got from my father,
which cost eighty bucks, is not coming until after Yeah,
I can't get him anything else because if I get
him something else, that I got to get everybody else
something else. So I think, unfortunately he's not gonna have
something under the tree for me.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
But that's it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
All right. Russell M.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Vermont on the FANDO text line you can make your
voice heard two seven oh four five seven ninety six ten,
he said, middle aged white guy here, Rivers inspired me
to take an aspirin. Okay, there you go, so all right,
So we're off and running now with what did Philip
Rivers make you a believer that you could now do
again after you saw him play well last night in
a losing effort. I mean even I was surprised at
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some of the things that he was doing last night. Man,
But it's like an old dog man. He just gets
out there. It just comes natural. I mean, I still
remember to this day reading the article about him in
the Charlotte Observer back when you used to get physical newspapers,
and that when he was named the starter at NC
State as a true freshman. So I still remembered that,
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all right, man, So yeah, so let me know out there, man,
how are your holiday shopping going? You got all that
going on as you guys. I guess you don't know.
But I never grew up celebrating Christmas like that. My
family was Ja's witnesses, so I do not celebrate those things.
But I still find it interesting what you guys are
doing out there.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
What do you have going on in the malls? I
know they are slammed, people are excited.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Probably be out there this evening because my son and
I may go check out avatars, so we may go.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Fitty's got to go fight the crowd today, not because
he hasn't finished his shopping. His parents have not finished
their shopping, so he's got to go fight to try
to get a dak prescotcher.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Oh wow, at least that's the story we're being told.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Maybe he's getting it for himself, you know, a little
cowboy fitty coming in.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Maybe he is all right.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And I know one thing that has your holidays in
a little bit better move for you, Panthers fans is
the Panthers getting that victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
We've been talking about that a ton as we should.
We are, you know the source for Carolina Panthers talk
on the radio here. And so the Panthers, how we
feel in two days removed after their victory over the
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Tampa Bay Buccaneer that has put them in sole possession
of first place. They still have some business that they
need to attend to before they can really be able
to celebrate. But twenty three to twenty they get the win.
Ry Young has the twelfth fourth quarter game winning drive
of his career. So how are you guys feeling about it?
How should you be feeling about it? And I think
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that Panther fans, to be frank, you should still be
buzzing off of the win, even though I know it's
cautious optimism. Maybe I'll go with that cautious optimism because
you're excited about it, even though you know potentially it
could or could not happen, depending on if the Panthers
take care of their business, and also if the Tampa
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Bay Buccaneers should falter because the Panthers got a big
one coming up, because we can talk a little bit
about the next game as well, since we are pretty
much done for the week after today, because you got
the Seattle Seahawks, and I'm wanted too let me know,
do you feel better or worse that they lost to
or that they got the victory, that they got that
big victory. Excuse me that they got that big win,
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because maybe they come in overlooking the Panthers because we
know on paper, like let's be honest, they're the more
talented teams. So there's no fault in saying that the
Panthers do have a good team. But we know that
the Seahawks, you know, they are a really good organization.
They've drafted well, they got a quarterback in Sam Donald
that battled through a versity last week to get the
victory that they got in the game over the Los
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Angeles Rams. And so this is going to be a
group that's going to be coming in flying and they
still have plenty to play for as well, because you know,
they still have to win and the forty nine Ers
and the Seahawks, that game could end up becoming one
of the biggest games of the season because they could
be playing for the number one overall seed in the NFC.
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The forty nine Ers won last night over the Coats.
As we've been talking about Philip Rivers and what he
can do, but they lose thirty eight thirty seven, especially
in the way in which the Rams. They were able
to defeat the Rams was a huge emotional win. They
had to come back. It wasn't like it was a
sound beating from the beginning. They had to battle back.
You got crowds around players after games, people being hoisted up,
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all types of stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
So mascots celebrating with you much had a mascot celebrated.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So a big emotional win, and I think that could
bode well for you this week against the Seattle Seahawks.
A group coming in that, man, do they have an
emotional letdown? Because we know the twelfs man, what they represent,
we know how raucous it was.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I'm sure that those guys went out partied the.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Night away after they got that victory, so they could
come in here a little hungover from the big win,
maybe not necessarily hungover from some of the things that
they had after the game.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So what do you think?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I mean, do you think that the fact that the
Seahawks won the game in the fashion in which they
did bodes well for the Panthers or what do you
think coming in this game? Because they've been up and
down win loss, win, loss, win, loss, and this is
one of those games where you would feel like maybe
it fall into the pattern, and not only that, just
falls into that one of those games that I think
a lot of Panther fans are chalking up as an
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ale because they seem to be a superior team. Is
that how we're feeling, Panthers fans? Do you feel like
that this is a game that you're going into and
you're like, Okay, if we win it, great, but I'm
feeling like we're probably gonna lose.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
What say you for?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I mean, you shouldn't feel that way because you have
faced the number one team in the NFC a couple
of different times, and both times you have won. When
you face the Green Bay Packers and beat them, they
were number one in the NFC. When you face the
almost called them the Saint Louis Rams. Boy, what a
throwback that would have been the La Rams. You know,
that was a team that was in first place at
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that time, and now you get a chance to face Seattle.
The thing for me is it can work one of
two ways. Seattle's playing for a lot right now, so
they could come in a real, really motivated group to
try to find a way to get this done this
week and not have to worry about it going into
the final week of the season. Or that could come
in a group that's overlooked, looking the Panthers a little
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bit and saying very similar to what the Panthers are
and our week, a team matchup is really the most
important game.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So I think the Panthers got to be prepared.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Regardless, I said this morning when we were talking about this,
if I'm the Panthers, if I'm Dave Canalis in that
locker room, I'm telling the guys go out there and
act like Miami won this game against the Falcons. I
know the game's happening right now, but in your mind,
Miami is winning that game. Don't look at the scoreboard
but you're thinking, we have a chance to clinch the
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division right here, Let's get it while we can. I
think that's the mindset that you have to take to
going into this game, and if they do, then they
can come away with a victory.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
The eight to eight numbers says, so, how would this
work out if we beat Seattle and then lose to
Tampa the following week?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, Tampa, I believe.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Let's say Tampa loses to Miami and the Panthers lose,
then there's still a winning in scenario in their final matchup.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
The only way that the Panthers win if they lose,
or the only way that they're in if they lose
to Tampa, is if tam Ample loses to Miami and
the Panthers beat Seattle.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
If that happens, like if that happens this week.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
If the Panthers win and the Buccaneers lose this coming weekend,
then it's over. Week eighteen doesn't matter. Carolina Panthers are
going to the playoffs. If not, it all comes down
to Week eighteen, no matter what you do in that scenario. Now,
there is there is one scenario, an incredibly wild one,
where every team in the NFC South finishes eight to nine,
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which would involve the Atlanta Falcons as well. The Panthers
would win the division in that case as well. Now,
you don't want to have to get to that ultimately,
but that is still an option that is on the table.
As crazy as it is. Simplest thing is, man, you
just got to win that last week, just to win
that last game of the year against Tampa and you're
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going to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yep, just win baby. Also, last night, the Charlotte Hornet's tough.
They get on Peacock, they get a little bit of
a national stage, but they're not able to take down
the Cleveland Cavaliers. They had twenty four three pointers that
they made last night. That's shooting just too much. They
win one thirty nine to one thirty two. But what
the Hornets and what you have to do with them is,
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you know, you can't always pay attention to the wins
and losses. You got to pay attention to some of
the silver linings that are in these games. And on
his first three point of the night, Conka Nipple became
the fastest player in NBA history to reach one hundred
career three pointers doing so, and only twenty nine games.
He beat Laurie Markinin's record of forty one and in
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his current rate, kankk Nipple would have made one hundred
and forty seven three pointers by the time he reaches
forty one game. So this young man, I mean, I
know we were watching it last night. My son was
loving what he was seeing. He's a Konko Nipple fan.
A lot of people are starting to get on board
or not even starting to get on board with kank Nipple.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
They're already loving him now.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But you know, he is giving you a reason to
watch because especially with the injuries that we've had the
last few years, with all of the the key players
and LaMelo Ball not being the most popular Hornet like that,
Conk Nipple is certainly giving the Hornets fans something to watch,
so they know, even if we lose this game, I
still enjoy watching Conkok Nipple. All Right, So we're off
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and running. The table has been set. We're gonna be
talking Panthers today. We got Hornets. We're gonna be talking
about college football playoffs. We got it all going today.
It's gonna be Flounder and West On the set to
get it done. Campus corner, comping up at one pm.
Then we got live wied with Flounder at two twenty,
so we got it all covered. We're gonna take our
first break of the day when we come back. This
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is the perceived quarterback progression mean or regression. However, you
wouldn't want to look at it. Mean that perhaps we'll
never see Bryce Young throw for four thousand yards, so
we're gonna talk about that. On the other side. This
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Sports Radio ninety two seven w FNZ. You already know
what time it is. It's Western Flounder holding it down
for you while you're out doing whatever it is that
you are doing today. I know a lot of you
guys are busy doing all of the things getting prepped
for the holidays, maybe getting that last bottle of liquor
because you're irritating family members are coming in town and
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you say, I need something to be able to equip
me to deal with the irritation. You guys can give
me that throughout the show as well. What do you
and we can just keep it real this this is
a safe place for you guys, the FanDuel of text
line seven on four five seven oh ninety six ten.
It is a safe place here. So tell me what
are you least looking forward to about the holidays season?
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Because we know everybody likes to put the smile on
and oh man, I just can't wait for the holidays.
But there are some parts that you are not looking
forward to. Okay, all the Great Christmas movies they include this.
When you look at the Great Christmas Vacation when Cousin
Eddie came and you know Clark wasn't the most fond
of Cousin Eddie and his family and they would come
through with all types of issues and different things like that.
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So I know that you guys, after a couple of days,
you're gonna be ready for family to get the hell out.
You're gonna say, yeah, I love you, guys, but it's
time for you to go. Okay, you know, get your
gifts and get the stepping all right. Also tell me
worse gifts that you've gotten, or what do you not want?
Does that family member comes in it gives you that
gift that you don't want. So you got a lot
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going on, so let me know on the FANDU text line,
you know least favorite things about the holidays. I don't
mean to be the grinch, but I just like the stories.
I find it hilarious. All right, big old guy, you
know he's been he's been poking at me a lot lately.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Okay, the bagel guy.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
He says, current standings Carolina four nine ers at five.
He's been saying this to me a couple of times summer.
I know Wes doesn't want to smoke. Now, you guys
don't want me to come on here bloviating about my team, So.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna take the bait.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Bagel guys, Okay, this is exactly what I did back
in the day. This is what you know turned me
into a guy that I went against the Panthers because
Panther fans were just going out of their way to
mess with me that year when they played in the
playoffs and then Colin Kaeferan they came through a zip job.
But we're not gonna do all that today. Okay, we're
gonna stay on track here. Okay, we're gonna stay on track,
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all right. I appreciate the compliments. Sharing Videos says Wes,
you are doing amazing. Jo I thank you, Flounder, and
now we're gonna try to hold it down as best
we can real quick. Don't want to take the show
off the rails. But I did see blockbust the video
it's trying to make a comeback because the video comments
Sharing video made me think about that, and they said
that they have ambitions of being the next Netflix. So
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that it's been interesting. Okay, yeah, I'm surprised. Do you
know about Blockbuster Video?
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yeah, no, Back in the day, we used to be
we used to go there. Now we had a different
video store. If you're from Monroe, you know Family Video
that was the video store that you could go to
there a little bit cheaper, but you know, Blockbuster was
always a place there. Used to be one over near
the Harris Teeter that we had in Monroe. Used to
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go in there all the time, pick out of the
movies that you like, yeah and uh yeah, I mean
other way.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Strategically placed those things perfectly too. You put them right
beside a pizza place so you can, hey, you know,
tonight we're gonna have a nice movie night, get a pizza.
Something I never rented from Family Video. My go to's
are always Blockbuster Video and then shout out to Garden City, Georgia. Man,
I used to love going to Beaver's music and tapes.
You guys don't have too much fun with this on
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the text line, Okay, this was a full flinched video store.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Was not what I was going in there before.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I could barely see over the counters and well, but
I used to love that too. Many used to just
cluck their named Jeannette. She was a you know, older woman,
and she used to at not nothing like that. She
was just so nice and she knew us. You know,
we had a face card with her, so she always
knew us. So we'll try to hook it up. Like
like she was the one that if a movie was
dropping or if it wasn't there when you went to
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go get it, that she would hold it for you
or call you to let you know that it had
come in so you could go pick it up.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So she used to get a hooked up, all right.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
So talking about the Carolina Panthers, and I teased before
the break the perceived quarterback regression, and I heard Colin
talking about it a little bit on Charlotte Sports today
and it's become a hot topic. But Bryce Young, and
we know that this is a quarterback that Bryce Young
does not put up gaudy stats. Okay, when you look
at what he does for the Carolina Panthers, this isn't
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a guy that you can come out and pretty much
chalk him up for two fifty to two seventy five
each and every week, even though he's capable of that.
When you go back and look at his Alabama stats,
when you look at his Heisman year, and I know
you guys be like, oh, that's college, but it is
the big bad sec who you guys think is you know,
NFL junior, which in a lot of ways it is,
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but this is the type of quarterback that he's capable
of being, and I fully believe in that. I mean,
his Heisman year at Alabama, he threw for forty eight
hundred yards and forty seven touchdowns. So that's a big
time performance by him, and I think he's more than capable.
But when you look at it, I saw stat the
other day. It was funny on social media during the
twenty eighteen regular season, and the caption was Hiles He said,
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we used to watch gods play football. And you had
twelve quarterbacks who went over four thousand yards and you
had two quarterbacks that went over five thousand yards that year.
Just for some quick trivia, can you guess who was
the number one pass of that year twenty eighteen?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Are you smoked? Level? On TV?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Seen would be I'll give you a little bit of
a hint. Not a very likable guy. He's the least
likable quarterbacks. Clue he was six, but Big Band was
the number one line Really, yeah, he was No.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
One.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
He threw for fifty one hundred yards that year, fifty
one twenty nine, with thirty four touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And they said, we used to watch gods play football.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
So when did a little bit of research because progressions
and coverages have become a topic with quarterbacks. We've heard
Josh Allen talk about this. We're about to play some
sound from Kirk Cousins, and so right now there's six
quarterbacks that are either over the four thousand yard mark
after this weekend's play are close to four thousand yards.
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And so those quarterbacks, if they follow their averages through
the rest of the season, Dak Prescott, Matt Stafford, Dereck Goff,
Drake May, Charlotte's own, Sam Donald, and Bo Knicks are
the quarterbacks that would be going over the four thousand
yard mark. Now, in the twenty twenty four season, it
was six quarterbacks, twenty twenty three, it was ten, twenty two,
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it was nine twenty one, it was ten and winning
it was twelve quarterbacks who did it. But they've been
talking about defenses just disguising things better, and defense is
really making it tough on these quarterbacks. And also lack
of development, which we're going to get into this and
I'm going to try not to get too much on
my soapbox, but do we feel like with Bryce Young
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because right now his average per game when you look
at it. He's at a career high this year at
one ninety two point two, and so if he continues
at this trajectory or just a little bit over now,
he won't see a four thousand yard season. And right
now he's at twenty six ninety one, so potentially he
could get to three thousand. But I just wonder if
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this is something that we will see from him. And
so it begs the question has the league caught up
to the quarterback position or just has the quarterback position regress.
Let's play that sound from Kirk Cousins when he's talking
about coverages and progressions.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Well, I came into the league even at Michigan State,
it was you see coverage and you pick a side,
and you basically take five eligibles down to two down
to your check down, and so you cut the field
in half. And it was I got single high. I'm going,
you know, outside the red line to inside to my back,
and you're really only thinking about three eligibles because the
other two over here were meant for split safety, and
I got single high, and so.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It kind of protected you.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
And then sometimes you would alert that other side if
you got pressure, so you'd be like I'm working this
route or split safety or pressure. If I get single high,
no pressure, then I work the other side. So that
was everything was you know, single high, split safety, pressure,
quarters off, bump man's zone, all these things. But what
happened was defenses got so good at disguising it that
I would be so stressed going into games going the
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whole game plan is built on is it single high
or split safety, and I can't see if it's single
higher split safety, Like these defenses are just making it
money until I'm three steps into my drop. So it's
coaches started to realize, like if we asked the quarterback
to do that, it's it's gonna be really hard because
defenses know that's the game we're playing. They're not gonna
let us play it. So then it started to become
let's just give you peer progressions and let's just go one, two, three, four, five,
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and then you know that has his pros and cons.
I remember when Kevin O'Connell was bringing a lot of
pure progression reads back to him with me from LA
back to Minnesota. It was like WHOA, Like I got
to get back to the dagger backside after already exhausting
this progression. Like that's a lot I mean in my mind,
like I'm used to kind of simplifying it and cutting
the field in half, so you know, had to kind
of work through that and get to where that was
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more natural. And then there's a lot of positives of
it too, where you're not stressing as much during the
week about what if I can't see coverage because you say, well,
it's okay, I don't have to see coverage. You know,
seeing it can be a benefit, but it's more after
the snap where they're going and I can just kind
of progress through. But there's no doubt with the way
the pass rush is, if you truly try to go one, two, three, four, five,
you're gonna get sack fumbled a lot. So there's still
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a level of yeah, it's pure progression, but like I
got to rule him out pretty quick here so I
can get to the backside because that guy's coming around
the hump quick.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, all right, right there.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I know a lot of that sounded like high level
arithmetic to you guys him talking about that stuff, man,
but it's kind of giving you some insight into the
quarterback position. And so this is something I've been talking
about I'm going to try to, you know, keep my
cool here because I get frustrated with a lot of
this stuff. But Kirk Cousins in that same season, when
I was talking about when gods were playing football, he
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threw for forty two hundred and ninety eight yards. He
was averaging two hundred and sixty nine yards per game.
So you know, he's just saying that how difficult these defenses.
These defenses are making it. And if you guys play
MAD or you play NCAA and stuff like that, I
don't know if you use it or not, but they
have something called shells on the game to where I
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can make it look like something pre snap, but I'm
really doing something else. So I can pick my shell
and say, all right, let's say I want to run
a Cover two right here, or this is the shell
I want to present. So as a quarterback, I'm walking
up on the line and I think to myself, Okay,
this is Cover two, but I'm really running a Cover
three match zone. So it's like when I snapped the
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ball and say, oh wait a minute, this is what
I thought. Because you hear quarterbacks talking about having answers
to the test and they walk up to the line
and they say, okay, based off pre snapped alignment, based
off tendencies, it looks like they're in this. This is
cover one, and oh when I snapped the ball, it's
cover three.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
And so sometimes when fans watch gains and they wonder
why some of these mistakes happen. Or you also have
the wide receivers who when they run a lot of
read routes, you normally will reserve that for a really
really smart, really veteran receiver. And what a reroute is
if you don't know, is okay Devonte Adams, I would
imagine he's an expert at this. It's like, all right, man,
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based off what you see post snap, you pick which
route out of three that you may be assigned pre
snap to run. They may be like, all right, if
it's cover two, then we want you to run a
corner route into the whole of the cover two zone.
Or they may be like, if it's man, we want
you to run a slant. Or if it's cover three,
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then we want you to run a DA which is
an inbreaking route. You run about ten twelve yards up
into the thing, and so that can cause confusion too,
where you see like that may have been what happened
on the last interception of the Buccaneers Panthers games, where
Mike Evans is like, Okay, is this coverage I'm gonna
do this? Baker Mayfield knows that it's that, and then
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Mike Evans cuts inside, Baker Mayfield throws it outside, and
then you get an interception. And so that's the thing
where I think that when we're seeing these quarterbacks now
and they're coming up doing all of this seven on
seven and a lot of them are running these same offenses,
they're running a ton of RPO where it's very simplified
to where it's okay, you read the linebacker, if he
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does this, then you either hand it to the or
you read the key off the line and hand it
to the running back based off what the defensive end does,
or you throw it based off what the linebacker's doing,
whatever the case may be. But the game has become
so simplified with these quarterbacks, and that's why you're seeing
some many of them struggle. If Kirk Cousins a guy
who is a proto tip, cool pocket passer, this is
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a guy that's capable of going one, two, three, four five.
Like he said, if he's struggling with this type of stuff,
what do you think these young quarterbacks that have been
running ourpo and simplified reads where it's okay, if this
guy's not open, maybe maybe you go to two and
then you run. And that's why you see some of
the struggling that's going on there. And so that's why
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I think you see some of the regression in the
play from the quarterback position is because these defenses are
getting more complex. They're you know, they're just getting tougher
to crack. And so that's the thing I wonder where
we see it now. Me personally, I do think that
Bryce Young will end up being a four thousand yard
passer at some point in his career.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I think he will.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I just think he has to get more weapons, and
I think that the Panthers have to continue to take
the reins off of him. But do you feel, like Flannel,
this is something that you will see from bryceshamk throughout
his career. Do you feel like you'll see one or
multiple seasons where he up these types of numbs.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
So Big Cat Dan brings up a really interesting point.
You look at Jalen Hurts. Last year, he had two thousand,
nine hundred and three yards passing eighteen touchdowns five interceptions,
also ran the ball for six hundred and thirty yards
and fifteen touchdowns. I think that's probably the area that
you'd like to see Bryce maybe pick it up a
little bit more. If he's going to not necessarily throw
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for nearly as many yards, maybe get you know, closer
to that number.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I'm not saying he got to be at six thirty.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
That's a pretty decent amount of rushing yards, especially for
a quarterback, but I think that's kind of the quarterback
that you're gonna see from Bryce Young. I don't know
if he ever reaches the four thousand yard mark. It's possible,
but I think at some point you've got to surround
him with a bunch of different weapons.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
That's what that's ultimately.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
What's gonna have to happen, is you're gonna have to
have high, high level weapons and maybe you know, a
guy like t Mac can grow into that. You can
get a guy like Jalen Koker to fit into that
puzzle somewhere, but you're gonna need someone different besides Xavier
Leaguet you're gonna need a tight end that can be
more of a consistent threat at the receiving spot or
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as a receiver as opposed to some of the guys
that they have, and maybe even a dynamic running back
out of the backfield. That's how I think you're gonna
find him getting to four thousand yards, because I just
don't think that's necessarily how his game works. He's going
to be a guy where the running game is going
to need to be successful in order for him to succeed.
And that's perfectly fun. You can still be a franchise guy.
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We see guys like that around the league a lah
Jalen Hurts. So I think that is possible. It's just
the Panthers have to buy in on that, and I
think they are based on some of the moves that
they've made.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, and so he also, you know, he's asking a question,
with the numbers that Jalen Hurts has produced, do you
really need that? And so yeah, I think that what
Jalen Hurts did, and I imagine he's talking about last year. Yes, yes, yeah,
you don't need that when you have a running back
that's absolutely going insane upon the NFL just unleashing, pure Hell,
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you have an offensive line that's one of the best
we've ever seen. Because folks, when we go back and
look at this thing, that Philadelphia Eagles offensive line from
last season is one of the best of my lifetime. Okay,
like this was. There will be multiple Hall of Famers
that will come off of this line. So when you
have that, you have two Pro Bowl to All Pro
caliber receivers at your disposal. Dallas Goddard, I would consider
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a high level tight end. It was pick your poison
with that Eagles offense last year. So that's why I
think that, Yeah, you can afford to put up numbers
like that. When I can run the ball at five
yards a clip, my running backs capable of running sixty
plus yards every single game for touchdown, I get chunk
plays by the boat loads. My defense is insane as well.
So they're giving me the ball back on turnovers and
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they're also giving me short fields because they're pressing the
issue with these offenses. So yeah, I think when you
do have that, yeah, of course I can get away
with that. But I think that you know, a quarterback
four team like the Rams, they run the ball well.
But Matt Stafford I still think is very much needed.
We saw him in that Seattle game. He had to
throw for a gargantuan amount of yards for them to
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be able to, you know, hang and stay in that
game with the Seattle Seahawks and continue to apply pressure
Dak Prescott. We know that they run the ball well,
but they also throw the ball a ton as well.
So I think you still need quarterbacks playing at a high,
high level, like New England for example, with Drake May.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Drake May will cross that threshold.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
They needed him to do that because their running game
and the rest of that team is not necessarily capable
of them winning games. Because he averages two sixty three
per game. I think if he's out here throwing for
one ninety to two hundred a game and he's got
twenty five touchdowns, let's take six or seven of those away.
I don't think New England can win with Drake May
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putting up pedestrian numbers.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
So I think that last year what you saw from
Jalen Hurts, and we see this year when you look
at Jalen Hurts his numbers, he's at thirty one hundred
and fourteen yards. He's got twenty four touchdowns to six picks.
We know also he's more than capable of running the ball,
but I think that with Philly this year, it ain't
looking the same. That's why they have as many losses
as they do because Saquon isn't doing what he's doing.
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And I think if Jalen Hurts was capable of putting
a team on his back and saying, all right, guys,
I can get out here and throw for a four
hundred in a giving game if you need me to
or hire threes multiple weeks to be able to get
this game going, then I think that we would see
a different Eagles team and a team that we probably
would feel more comfortable about repeating out here as well.
(31:34):
So I think that we can get into a little
bit more of this. On the other side, I think
this is good convo. Let me know what you guys
think as well. Do the Panthers need Brysham to get
to that level for them to be a Super Bowl contender?
Because you feel like that right now with the numbers
he's putting up, yes, good enough to get you to
a wild card. And that's kind of because the division
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is what it is. But if the Carolina Panthers won
the NFC Norse with the Detroit with the Chicago would
Bryce Young need to be even more productive to be
able to make them a more explosive offense, to be
able to make them, you know, be able to compete
to beat the upper echelon team. So we'll talk about
some more of that. On the other side. This is
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the Western Walkership. And just like that, folks, we are back.
This is the Western Walker showed me and my man
Flounder holding it down for he just came in here
for his usual visit to holler at Flounder for a
few holler at me. But we are here in the
channel of Volta Studio CV Injurylaw dot com. That CV
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injury law dot com. All right, going over to the
fandel text line, I got some good stuff going. Brian says,
it's too soon to say Bryce will never throw for
four thousand yards. This is only year two of Bryce
coming into his own with Canalisis system, and there's a chance,
with added weapons and Bryce's growth that we will see
him throw for four k or even more. I would
agree with you very much. And then talking about least
(33:03):
favorite things for the holidays be Bob from Rock three
or aka Upbeat Bob says, least favorite thing is shopping
is dealing with people that are oblivious to things going
on around them, no self awareness whatsoever, standing in the
middle of the aisles blocking them. I kind of missed
COVID when we had the one way directions down the aisle.
(33:27):
M Dog says. The older I get, the more I
appreciate the simple gifts. I love a good pair of
Nike sons, right simple man to please, No more place
says I'm least looking forward to my three sisters.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
In law bringing their six kids. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Man, those kids are gonna be pretty litty, So best
of luck to you there. Listen, man be Bob. I
know that you know he can give us some wild responses.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
That was a good one.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
As the kids say, this man knows, Bob, because you
want to see me get aggravated. One of my son's
favorite things is he loves to see me get upset
and go on ramts.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
He absolutely loves it.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Sometimes he would tell me to wait until we get
into the car, or he tells me to wait until
we get into a space where I can fully explain myself.
Because he enjoys the ramts are gone so much, and
I get so frustrated with that in the mall when
people are walking slow in front of me, or when
the mall is buzzing and they stop in the middle
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of the walkways and they're stopping to look for something
or they need to stop to emphasize something and talking
about I get so aggravated when they do that. I'm like,
can you get the hurl out of my way? Okay?
So I know you guys a feeling. I'm like, you know,
you know the mall is crowded. You know that there
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are hundreds of people walking through here. Why are you stopping?
You gotta keep it moving and keep a steady pace. Now,
if you're elderly, okay, Okay, mama, we're gonna we're gonna
hold it down for you. You good, all right? Or sir,
you're good. But if you are fully body abled, full
fully able to keep it pushing, you need to keep
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it pushing, all right. So we've been having a conversation
about four thousand yards passers, about quarterbacks, what we see
Bryce doing, and so Philip Rivers also comes into this
conversation because again we've been talking about a lot of
these quarterbacks coming out of college.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
It equipped to play the pro game.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And we see a quarterback like Philip Rivers, forty four
years old. He comes back onto the scene yesterday and
he looked pretty good. Like I said, I thought he
looked very capable. That's something I would say because a
lot of people thought that the old man was gonna
come out there and just you know, end up getting
put on a stretcher or not being able to play good.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Philip Rivers throws for.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Two seventy seven with two touchdowns last night, seven point
nine yards per completion. I mean, he really liked. Some
people like to say turn back the clock. So let's
hear Kyle Shanahan talking about Philip Rivers and why having
a quarterback of his age and experience is better than
having a What.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Do you see from Philip when you turn on the tape?
Speaker 6 (36:03):
I see, I mean, he is a little bit older,
so might not quite be as fast, might not quite
be able to throw it at the same distance that
he used to. But you don't know that for sure
because you don't get to see it exactly on tape.
But I see a guy who knows how to play
the position as good as anyone. I think he had
twenty seven throws in that game, and every ball goes
to the exact right spot he attacked. Their coverage is great.
(36:25):
He played against a very good pass rush and was
able to get rid of the ball. It's one of
the best quarterbacks I've ever watched, and he definitely helped
that team. What is it about the NFL in the
quarterback position where a forty four year old with.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Diminishing physical skills can have more success than a twenty
two year old with all the physical skills in the world.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Because when you go against defenses like it's very rare,
especially I mean, you just pick up Seattle last week.
You're not going to run away from something like that,
you know, now athletic ever a really good defense very
rarely or you have to be, you know, so on
a lead level like someone like vic or you know,
Lamar or something like that, just athletically run away from teams.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
You gotta be able to get rid of the ball.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
And to be able to get rid of the ball
is it's a unique talent that doesn't just some people
haven't and some people don't. Whether it's vision, whether it's
arm throwing, angles, whether it's mental processing, like whether it's
just your feel and clear mind in the pocket. But
when things are moving fast at an elite level, you
don't athletically. It's it's really hard to get away from
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those guys. That's about getting rid of the ball and
letting someone else do it.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
That's I mean, well spoken by mister Shanahan. Okay, And
this is what I talk about When you guys, or
when I see it and it happens over and over
and over again, we get enamored with the athletic quarterback.
It's like the six three two guard that you feel
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like can lead your team to an NBA championship because
the average is thirty per game. When we know that
that's not the formula that works, Okay, I get so
tired of seeing it. That's why I get frustrated when
I see cats like Leonora's Sellers and Anthony Richardson, and
I mean, you take your pick. They come in all shaped,
sizes and colors. When you talk about these athletic quarterbacks,
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but they're not full filled readers. They don't fully understand
a position. And that is why when these guys get
to the NFL and you sit there and you say,
why doesn't this guy work? That is why a guy
like Philip Rivers, with his skill set, he could not
afford to not know how to read the entire field.
Philip Rivers could never sit there and just be like, yeah, man,
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you know I can. I can get out there, and
you know I run a four, two five, and I
can just out run cats and let my receivers play
scrambled drill and find them down the field.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
It doesn't work like that.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Michael Vick when he was at his APEX, I remember
going to a Panthers game here Bank of America Stadium.
I sat with my back up against the concrete. That's
how high we were. We were at the very last
of the stadium and my man, pa God rest his soul.
But the Panthers had a great game plan. They had
Thomas Davis says a spy. They stayed in their rush lanes.
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They didn't go crazy and give Michael Vick lanes to
be able to run, and he had to sit and
read the field. The Philadelphia Eagles did the same thing
to him, and he struggled. And that's why to all
of the kids out there, if you're listening to the show,
you're probably not, but these fathers, you gotta tell your sons.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
If you have an.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Athletic quarterback, you gotta be able to read the field
and play the position from the pocket. It's the only
way you're gonna have success in the NFL. It is
the only way. And that's why cat like Philip Rivers
can come back at forty four and have success because
he still got the mind for it. He says, Hey,
just give me two and a half seconds to get
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back there and know because again he's so well versed.
He's a guy that yes, yeah, may get money, like
Kirk Cousins was talking about, but he knows all right,
pre snap, I pretty much know what they're doing, and
then he's gonna be able to tell very quick at
the snap even if they changed coverage. He knows, Okay,
this is what it is. Bald needs to go here,
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it's gone. And so that's the difference, you guys, when
you're watching these quarterbacks play and you see him run
around and do all this crazy stuff, more times than not,
they're missing reads. Their guys running open that they should hit,
or there's tight windows that they could throw it into
to be able to keep the offense moving. And so
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that's why now when I see these athletic quarterbacks, because
I used to be the same one when I was
younger and I didn't know as much about football. He
used to get caught up in that too. And now
when I see I just rolled my eyes. I'm like, no,
I'm straight. I don't want him.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Give me.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Give me, you know, give me a cat that is
going to be able to read the entire field and
that knows what he is doing. So with what we've
seen from Bryce Young, he's had some very good performances
this year. But the guardiess of his performances was when
he went up against the Atlanta Falcons and he threw
four four hundred and forty eight yards and three touchdowns
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at a sixty nine percent clip in that game, and
he threw up forty five times. I'm not saying if
you're the Carolina Panthers that you should be throwing at
that much, but I fully think this is what Bryce
is capable of. And I said, in that game, you
had a lot of you know, multi receiver sets spread out,
You're able to divine coverage a little bit more. Guys
can have a little bit easier chance of winning, And
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so I think that the Panthers are going to be
even more explosive the more they take the reins off Bryce.
Next year he'll be coming into year three of canals
to system. They're going to add some more weapons and
you know, flying her to your point, you talk about
the weapons he needs, I don't even think he has
to have, you know, like you said, high level weapons,
it's are you do you have something high level? What
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do I mean by that? Do I have a receiver?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
You know?
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Like I said tedor Roa, he's good at finding holds
and coverage. I think he's gonna be a reroute guy
if he's not already. But he's a really good possessment
receiver and he can give you some fifty to fifty skills.
Then do you have a speed merchant you can add
to that that you can count on. Then do you
have another guy that's maybe in between? Because when you
look at Cam Newton in this MVP season, a lot
of people say, oh, well, he didn't have the greatest receivers,
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but everybody in that unit had a skill set that
made sense for the offense. Where you had Philly Brown
that was kind of like an in between he could
get He could kill you with speed or he could
hit you with some possession. You had Ted ginn as
the speed guy, and then you had Contrey as your
pure possession guy. And then you had Greg Olsen that
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was your stud and he could do a little bit
of everything from the tight end position. Now, none of
those names outside of Greg Olsen, nobody's going to be
talking about them among the best at their positions. But
the skill set they possessed, it made you honest because
you had to respect Ted againspeed, You had to respect
Jericho Katry in between the hashes. You had to respect
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Philly Brown because he could catch you lacking as well.
And so that's all I'm saying. And I think that
when they put that type of skill set around Bryce
Young or that type of receiving cord that's complete with
I think we're going to see him be able.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
To deliver at a higher level.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Yeah, you really, the explosive player on the outside is
really what he's looking for most I think right now,
that's what this offense is lacking. You don't have someone
that can consistently win downfield, and it doesn't have to
be a blazer man it's just got to be someone
that knows how to win in that portion of the field.
You know, the example that I brought up, I think
he's done a great job in his role this year
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for New England.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
It's Matt Collins.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
That's a guy that just knows how to get opened
down the field and create some of those big plays.
And he can do some other stuff for him too,
but really he's that guy that brings that explosive nature
to the Patriots offense. So I think that's, you know,
the next goal for this group is to find that guy.
Also potentially find that tight end that could be. You know,
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it doesn't have to be Greg Olsen, it doesn't have
to be Hall of Fame good, but just give you
somebody that can be a consistent receiving threat and I
think that's when you can really take this offense to
the next level. And maybe then you start having those
conversations about him throwing for four thousand yards. I mean,
the thing is is this year, I mean he's played
almost a complete year. He will miss one game, He's
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gonna throw for maybe three thousand yards. That's what makes
me sort of question whether or not he could get
into that four thousand yard range, and to me, I
don't know if he has to get to that range
as long as you've got a good running game, which
I think they are going to continue to have.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, I think that he's shown this year that he's
still able to make do with weapons that aren't necessarily
at the level that they need to be yet. And
so I think that's even another indicator to'll less, you know,
once they get what really needs to be in here.
He's got a twenty one to nine touchdown the interception ratio.
If he throws maybe four more touchdowns, you're looking at
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maybe twenty five. Maybe he throws another pick or too,
but twenty five to ten, twenty five eleven. I think
that that is a very respectable season, especially when you
consider what he's got because, let's face it, man, you
know X we all love him and all of that,
but you're kind of going out their handicap right now.
Thank God for the emergence of Jalen Cocher, because then
this receiving call would really be in trouble had he
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not stepped up. All right, that's great Panthers talk, man,
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Walker Male is not here, So you've got Wes and
Flounder in the building. Middle aged white men of America,
you watched Philip Rivers last night. What do you now
(00:45):
feel like you can do because you watched Philip Rivers
last night? Do you feel did he give you the
Liam Nice effect? I asked Colin when I came into
the studio this question, and he said that there are
a couple of things. He said, he's going to go
back into the high post now when he's playing pickup basketball.
So I feel like that he's putting a battery and
(01:08):
a lot of middle aged men, but especially middle aged
white men, after they watched Philip Rivers last night. You guys,
are you gonna go back and join your flag football teams?
Are you gonna just say the hell with my achilles?
Philip Rivers made me a believer? How do you feel
about it? Finally, did he give you any type of
(01:28):
encouragement last night, something that you felt like maybe you
couldn't do anymore, But because you watched Philip Rivers, you said,
I can now do this.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Because of Philip.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, maybe I maybe get a date or something. I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Maybe that's the direction that we're going in here, but
it's amazing to continue to watch him play the way
that he's playing.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
He played well. Yes, their defense did not.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They did not.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
My daddy, who's your daddy's daddy, said I'm forty six
with five kids. I'm thinking I might have five more
in me. There you go to a spirit, that's the spirit.
That's what Philip rivers. He might inspire you know, you
guys out there to want to have some more children.
Maybe you can have ten kids of your own. But
as I was just telling Colin, going in that grocery
(02:10):
store these days, I don't know if that's the kind
of smoke you want with all the babies, especially if
they're eating a lot going up in that grocery store
to be able to pay some of these prices that
are out here. But happy holidays to you guys, and
a lot of you guys are out there getting ready
for your Christmas holidays, you know whatever, you celebrate, Kwanza,
(02:31):
all of those different things. You know, I know you're
getting ready for that, getting those last minute gifts. Are
you're out at the mall listening to us in your earbuds,
trying to keep from fighting over toys, fighting over clothes,
getting into all of those things. Are you doing that?
Find out you finished with your Christmas shopping? Yes?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
So unfortunately the one gift that I got from my father,
which cost eighty bucks, is not coming until after Yeah,
I can't get him anything else because if I get
him something else, that I got to get everybody else
something else. So I think, unfortunately he's not gonna have
something under the tree for me.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
But that's it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
All right. Russell M.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Vermont on the FANDO text line you can make your
voice heard two seven oh four five seven ninety six ten,
he said, middle aged white guy here, Rivers inspired me
to take an aspirin. Okay, there you go, so all right,
So we're off and running now with what did Philip
Rivers make you a believer that you could now do
again after you saw him play well last night in
a losing effort. I mean even I was surprised at
(03:30):
some of the things that he was doing last night. Man,
But it's like an old dog man. He just gets
out there. It just comes natural. I mean, I still
remember to this day reading the article about him in
the Charlotte Observer back when you used to get physical newspapers,
and that when he was named the starter at NC
State as a true freshman. So I still remembered that,
(03:53):
all right, man, So yeah, so let me know out there, man,
how are your holiday shopping going? You got all that
going on as you guys. I guess you don't know.
But I never grew up celebrating Christmas like that. My
family was Ja's witnesses, so I do not celebrate those things.
But I still find it interesting what you guys are
doing out there.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
What do you have going on in the malls? I
know they are slammed, people are excited.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Probably be out there this evening because my son and
I may go check out avatars, so we may go.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Fitty's got to go fight the crowd today, not because
he hasn't finished his shopping. His parents have not finished
their shopping, so he's got to go fight to try
to get a dak prescotcher.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Oh wow, at least that's the story we're being told.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Maybe he's getting it for himself, you know, a little
cowboy fitty coming in.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Maybe he is all right.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And I know one thing that has your holidays in
a little bit better move for you, Panthers fans is
the Panthers getting that victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
We've been talking about that a ton as we should.
We are, you know the source for Carolina Panthers talk
on the radio here. And so the Panthers, how we
feel in two days removed after their victory over the
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Tampa Bay Buccaneer that has put them in sole possession
of first place. They still have some business that they
need to attend to before they can really be able
to celebrate. But twenty three to twenty they get the win.
Ry Young has the twelfth fourth quarter game winning drive
of his career. So how are you guys feeling about it?
How should you be feeling about it? And I think
(05:19):
that Panther fans, to be frank, you should still be
buzzing off of the win, even though I know it's
cautious optimism. Maybe I'll go with that cautious optimism because
you're excited about it, even though you know potentially it
could or could not happen, depending on if the Panthers
take care of their business, and also if the Tampa
(05:41):
Bay Buccaneers should falter because the Panthers got a big
one coming up, because we can talk a little bit
about the next game as well, since we are pretty
much done for the week after today, because you got
the Seattle Seahawks, and I'm wanted too let me know,
do you feel better or worse that they lost to
or that they got the victory, that they got that
big victory. Excuse me that they got that big win,
(06:02):
because maybe they come in overlooking the Panthers because we
know on paper, like let's be honest, they're the more
talented teams. So there's no fault in saying that the
Panthers do have a good team. But we know that
the Seahawks, you know, they are a really good organization.
They've drafted well, they got a quarterback in Sam Donald
that battled through a versity last week to get the
victory that they got in the game over the Los
(06:26):
Angeles Rams. And so this is going to be a
group that's going to be coming in flying and they
still have plenty to play for as well, because you know,
they still have to win and the forty nine Ers
and the Seahawks, that game could end up becoming one
of the biggest games of the season because they could
be playing for the number one overall seed in the NFC.
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The forty nine Ers won last night over the Coats.
As we've been talking about Philip Rivers and what he
can do, but they lose thirty eight thirty seven, especially
in the way in which the Rams. They were able
to defeat the Rams was a huge emotional win. They
had to come back. It wasn't like it was a
sound beating from the beginning. They had to battle back.
You got crowds around players after games, people being hoisted up,
(07:12):
all types of stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
So mascots celebrating with you much had a mascot celebrated.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So a big emotional win, and I think that could
bode well for you this week against the Seattle Seahawks.
A group coming in that, man, do they have an
emotional letdown? Because we know the twelfs man, what they represent,
we know how raucous it was.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I'm sure that those guys went out partied the.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Night away after they got that victory, so they could
come in here a little hungover from the big win,
maybe not necessarily hungover from some of the things that
they had after the game.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So what do you think?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I mean, do you think that the fact that the
Seahawks won the game in the fashion in which they
did bodes well for the Panthers or what do you
think coming in this game? Because they've been up and
down win loss, win, loss, win, loss, and this is
one of those games where you would feel like maybe
it fall into the pattern, and not only that, just
falls into that one of those games that I think
a lot of Panther fans are chalking up as an
(08:07):
ale because they seem to be a superior team. Is
that how we're feeling, Panthers fans? Do you feel like
that this is a game that you're going into and
you're like, Okay, if we win it, great, but I'm
feeling like we're probably gonna lose.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
What say you for?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I mean, you shouldn't feel that way because you have
faced the number one team in the NFC a couple
of different times, and both times you have won. When
you face the Green Bay Packers and beat them, they
were number one in the NFC. When you face the
almost called them the Saint Louis Rams. Boy, what a
throwback that would have been the La Rams. You know,
that was a team that was in first place at
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that time, and now you get a chance to face Seattle.
The thing for me is it can work one of
two ways. Seattle's playing for a lot right now, so
they could come in a real, really motivated group to
try to find a way to get this done this
week and not have to worry about it going into
the final week of the season. Or that could come
in a group that's overlooked, looking the Panthers a little
(09:00):
bit and saying very similar to what the Panthers are
and our week, a team matchup is really the most
important game.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So I think the Panthers got to be prepared.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Regardless, I said this morning when we were talking about this,
if I'm the Panthers, if I'm Dave Canalis in that
locker room, I'm telling the guys go out there and
act like Miami won this game against the Falcons. I
know the game's happening right now, but in your mind,
Miami is winning that game. Don't look at the scoreboard
but you're thinking, we have a chance to clinch the
(09:29):
division right here, Let's get it while we can. I
think that's the mindset that you have to take to
going into this game, and if they do, then they
can come away with a victory.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
The eight to eight numbers says, so, how would this
work out if we beat Seattle and then lose to
Tampa the following week?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, Tampa, I believe.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Let's say Tampa loses to Miami and the Panthers lose,
then there's still a winning in scenario in their final matchup.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
The only way that the Panthers win if they lose,
or the only way that they're in if they lose
to Tampa, is if tam Ample loses to Miami and
the Panthers beat Seattle.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
If that happens, like if that happens this week.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
If the Panthers win and the Buccaneers lose this coming weekend,
then it's over. Week eighteen doesn't matter. Carolina Panthers are
going to the playoffs. If not, it all comes down
to Week eighteen, no matter what you do in that scenario. Now,
there is there is one scenario, an incredibly wild one,
where every team in the NFC South finishes eight to nine,
(10:29):
which would involve the Atlanta Falcons as well. The Panthers
would win the division in that case as well. Now,
you don't want to have to get to that ultimately,
but that is still an option that is on the table.
As crazy as it is. Simplest thing is, man, you
just got to win that last week, just to win
that last game of the year against Tampa and you're
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going to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yep, just win baby. Also, last night, the Charlotte Hornet's tough.
They get on Peacock, they get a little bit of
a national stage, but they're not able to take down
the Cleveland Cavaliers. They had twenty four three pointers that
they made last night. That's shooting just too much. They
win one thirty nine to one thirty two. But what
the Hornets and what you have to do with them is,
(11:12):
you know, you can't always pay attention to the wins
and losses. You got to pay attention to some of
the silver linings that are in these games. And on
his first three point of the night, Conka Nipple became
the fastest player in NBA history to reach one hundred
career three pointers doing so, and only twenty nine games.
He beat Laurie Markinin's record of forty one and in
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his current rate, kankk Nipple would have made one hundred
and forty seven three pointers by the time he reaches
forty one game. So this young man, I mean, I
know we were watching it last night. My son was
loving what he was seeing. He's a Konko Nipple fan.
A lot of people are starting to get on board
or not even starting to get on board with kank Nipple.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
They're already loving him now.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But you know, he is giving you a reason to
watch because especially with the injuries that we've had the
last few years, with all of the the key players
and LaMelo Ball not being the most popular Hornet like that,
Conk Nipple is certainly giving the Hornets fans something to watch,
so they know, even if we lose this game, I
still enjoy watching Conkok Nipple. All Right, So we're off
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and running. The table has been set. We're gonna be
talking Panthers today. We got Hornets. We're gonna be talking
about college football playoffs. We got it all going today.
It's gonna be Flounder and West On the set to
get it done. Campus corner, comping up at one pm.
Then we got live wied with Flounder at two twenty,
so we got it all covered. We're gonna take our
first break of the day when we come back. This
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is the perceived quarterback progression mean or regression. However, you
wouldn't want to look at it. Mean that perhaps we'll
never see Bryce Young throw for four thousand yards, so
we're gonna talk about that. On the other side. This
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Speaker 2 (13:07):
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Speaker 4 (13:07):
He flew out last night and you should be there
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That's all the Carolina's personal injury lawyers. The Western Walkers Show,
Sports Radio ninety two seven w FNZ. You already know
what time it is. It's Western Flounder holding it down
for you while you're out doing whatever it is that
you are doing today. I know a lot of you
guys are busy doing all of the things getting prepped
for the holidays, maybe getting that last bottle of liquor
because you're irritating family members are coming in town and
(13:43):
you say, I need something to be able to equip
me to deal with the irritation. You guys can give
me that throughout the show as well. What do you
and we can just keep it real this this is
a safe place for you guys, the FanDuel of text
line seven on four five seven oh ninety six ten.
It is a safe place here. So tell me what
are you least looking forward to about the holidays season?
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Because we know everybody likes to put the smile on
and oh man, I just can't wait for the holidays.
But there are some parts that you are not looking
forward to. Okay, all the Great Christmas movies they include this.
When you look at the Great Christmas Vacation when Cousin
Eddie came and you know Clark wasn't the most fond
of Cousin Eddie and his family and they would come
through with all types of issues and different things like that.
(14:27):
So I know that you guys, after a couple of days,
you're gonna be ready for family to get the hell out.
You're gonna say, yeah, I love you, guys, but it's
time for you to go. Okay, you know, get your
gifts and get the stepping all right. Also tell me
worse gifts that you've gotten, or what do you not want?
Does that family member comes in it gives you that
gift that you don't want. So you got a lot
(14:48):
going on, so let me know on the FANDU text line,
you know least favorite things about the holidays. I don't
mean to be the grinch, but I just like the stories.
I find it hilarious. All right, big old guy, you
know he's been he's been poking at me a lot lately.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Okay, the bagel guy.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
He says, current standings Carolina four nine ers at five.
He's been saying this to me a couple of times summer.
I know Wes doesn't want to smoke. Now, you guys
don't want me to come on here bloviating about my team, So.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna take the bait.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Bagel guys, Okay, this is exactly what I did back
in the day. This is what you know turned me
into a guy that I went against the Panthers because
Panther fans were just going out of their way to
mess with me that year when they played in the
playoffs and then Colin Kaeferan they came through a zip job.
But we're not gonna do all that today. Okay, we're
gonna stay on track here. Okay, we're gonna stay on track,
(15:36):
all right. I appreciate the compliments. Sharing Videos says Wes,
you are doing amazing. Jo I thank you, Flounder, and
now we're gonna try to hold it down as best
we can real quick. Don't want to take the show
off the rails. But I did see blockbust the video
it's trying to make a comeback because the video comments
Sharing video made me think about that, and they said
that they have ambitions of being the next Netflix. So
(15:59):
that it's been interesting. Okay, yeah, I'm surprised. Do you
know about Blockbuster Video?
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yeah, no, Back in the day, we used to be
we used to go there. Now we had a different
video store. If you're from Monroe, you know Family Video
that was the video store that you could go to
there a little bit cheaper, but you know, Blockbuster was
always a place there. Used to be one over near
the Harris Teeter that we had in Monroe. Used to
(16:24):
go in there all the time, pick out of the
movies that you like, yeah and uh yeah, I mean
other way.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Strategically placed those things perfectly too. You put them right
beside a pizza place so you can, hey, you know,
tonight we're gonna have a nice movie night, get a pizza.
Something I never rented from Family Video. My go to's
are always Blockbuster Video and then shout out to Garden City, Georgia. Man,
I used to love going to Beaver's music and tapes.
You guys don't have too much fun with this on
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the text line, Okay, this was a full flinched video store.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Was not what I was going in there before.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I could barely see over the counters and well, but
I used to love that too. Many used to just
cluck their named Jeannette. She was a you know, older woman,
and she used to at not nothing like that. She
was just so nice and she knew us. You know,
we had a face card with her, so she always
knew us. So we'll try to hook it up. Like
like she was the one that if a movie was
dropping or if it wasn't there when you went to
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go get it, that she would hold it for you
or call you to let you know that it had
come in so you could go pick it up.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So she used to get a hooked up, all right.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
So talking about the Carolina Panthers, and I teased before
the break the perceived quarterback regression, and I heard Colin
talking about it a little bit on Charlotte Sports today
and it's become a hot topic. But Bryce Young, and
we know that this is a quarterback that Bryce Young
does not put up gaudy stats. Okay, when you look
at what he does for the Carolina Panthers, this isn't
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a guy that you can come out and pretty much
chalk him up for two fifty to two seventy five
each and every week, even though he's capable of that.
When you go back and look at his Alabama stats,
when you look at his Heisman year, and I know
you guys be like, oh, that's college, but it is
the big bad sec who you guys think is you know,
NFL junior, which in a lot of ways it is,
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but this is the type of quarterback that he's capable
of being, and I fully believe in that. I mean,
his Heisman year at Alabama, he threw for forty eight
hundred yards and forty seven touchdowns. So that's a big
time performance by him, and I think he's more than capable.
But when you look at it, I saw stat the
other day. It was funny on social media during the
twenty eighteen regular season, and the caption was Hiles He said,
(18:33):
we used to watch gods play football. And you had
twelve quarterbacks who went over four thousand yards and you
had two quarterbacks that went over five thousand yards that year.
Just for some quick trivia, can you guess who was
the number one pass of that year twenty eighteen?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Are you smoked? Level? On TV?
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Seen would be I'll give you a little bit of
a hint. Not a very likable guy. He's the least
likable quarterbacks. Clue he was six, but Big Band was
the number one line Really, yeah, he was No.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
One.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
He threw for fifty one hundred yards that year, fifty
one twenty nine, with thirty four touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And they said, we used to watch gods play football.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
So when did a little bit of research because progressions
and coverages have become a topic with quarterbacks. We've heard
Josh Allen talk about this. We're about to play some
sound from Kirk Cousins, and so right now there's six
quarterbacks that are either over the four thousand yard mark
after this weekend's play are close to four thousand yards.
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And so those quarterbacks, if they follow their averages through
the rest of the season, Dak Prescott, Matt Stafford, Dereck Goff,
Drake May, Charlotte's own, Sam Donald, and Bo Knicks are
the quarterbacks that would be going over the four thousand
yard mark. Now, in the twenty twenty four season, it
was six quarterbacks, twenty twenty three, it was ten, twenty two,
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it was nine twenty one, it was ten and winning
it was twelve quarterbacks who did it. But they've been
talking about defenses just disguising things better, and defense is
really making it tough on these quarterbacks. And also lack
of development, which we're going to get into this and
I'm going to try not to get too much on
my soapbox, but do we feel like with Bryce Young
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because right now his average per game when you look
at it. He's at a career high this year at
one ninety two point two, and so if he continues
at this trajectory or just a little bit over now,
he won't see a four thousand yard season. And right
now he's at twenty six ninety one, so potentially he
could get to three thousand. But I just wonder if
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this is something that we will see from him. And
so it begs the question has the league caught up
to the quarterback position or just has the quarterback position regress.
Let's play that sound from Kirk Cousins when he's talking
about coverages and progressions.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Well, I came into the league even at Michigan State,
it was you see coverage and you pick a side,
and you basically take five eligibles down to two down
to your check down, and so you cut the field
in half. And it was I got single high. I'm going,
you know, outside the red line to inside to my back,
and you're really only thinking about three eligibles because the
other two over here were meant for split safety, and
I got single high, and so.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It kind of protected you.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
And then sometimes you would alert that other side if
you got pressure, so you'd be like I'm working this
route or split safety or pressure. If I get single high,
no pressure, then I work the other side. So that
was everything was you know, single high, split safety, pressure,
quarters off, bump man's zone, all these things. But what
happened was defenses got so good at disguising it that
I would be so stressed going into games going the
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whole game plan is built on is it single high
or split safety, and I can't see if it's single
higher split safety, Like these defenses are just making it
money until I'm three steps into my drop. So it's
coaches started to realize, like if we asked the quarterback
to do that, it's it's gonna be really hard because
defenses know that's the game we're playing. They're not gonna
let us play it. So then it started to become
let's just give you peer progressions and let's just go one, two, three, four, five,
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and then you know that has his pros and cons.
I remember when Kevin O'Connell was bringing a lot of
pure progression reads back to him with me from LA
back to Minnesota. It was like WHOA, Like I got
to get back to the dagger backside after already exhausting
this progression. Like that's a lot I mean in my mind,
like I'm used to kind of simplifying it and cutting
the field in half, so you know, had to kind
of work through that and get to where that was
(22:22):
more natural. And then there's a lot of positives of
it too, where you're not stressing as much during the
week about what if I can't see coverage because you say, well,
it's okay, I don't have to see coverage. You know,
seeing it can be a benefit, but it's more after
the snap where they're going and I can just kind
of progress through. But there's no doubt with the way
the pass rush is, if you truly try to go one, two, three, four, five,
you're gonna get sack fumbled a lot. So there's still
(22:44):
a level of yeah, it's pure progression, but like I
got to rule him out pretty quick here so I
can get to the backside because that guy's coming around
the hump quick.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, all right, right there.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I know a lot of that sounded like high level
arithmetic to you guys him talking about that stuff, man,
but it's kind of giving you some insight into the
quarterback position. And so this is something I've been talking
about I'm going to try to, you know, keep my
cool here because I get frustrated with a lot of
this stuff. But Kirk Cousins in that same season, when
I was talking about when gods were playing football, he
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threw for forty two hundred and ninety eight yards. He
was averaging two hundred and sixty nine yards per game.
So you know, he's just saying that how difficult these defenses.
These defenses are making it. And if you guys play
MAD or you play NCAA and stuff like that, I
don't know if you use it or not, but they
have something called shells on the game to where I
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can make it look like something pre snap, but I'm
really doing something else. So I can pick my shell
and say, all right, let's say I want to run
a Cover two right here, or this is the shell
I want to present. So as a quarterback, I'm walking
up on the line and I think to myself, Okay,
this is Cover two, but I'm really running a Cover
three match zone. So it's like when I snapped the
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ball and say, oh wait a minute, this is what
I thought. Because you hear quarterbacks talking about having answers
to the test and they walk up to the line
and they say, okay, based off pre snapped alignment, based
off tendencies, it looks like they're in this. This is
cover one, and oh when I snapped the ball, it's
cover three.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
And so sometimes when fans watch gains and they wonder
why some of these mistakes happen. Or you also have
the wide receivers who when they run a lot of
read routes, you normally will reserve that for a really
really smart, really veteran receiver. And what a reroute is
if you don't know, is okay Devonte Adams, I would
imagine he's an expert at this. It's like, all right, man,
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based off what you see post snap, you pick which
route out of three that you may be assigned pre
snap to run. They may be like, all right, if
it's cover two, then we want you to run a
corner route into the whole of the cover two zone.
Or they may be like, if it's man, we want
you to run a slant. Or if it's cover three,
(24:58):
then we want you to run a DA which is
an inbreaking route. You run about ten twelve yards up
into the thing, and so that can cause confusion too,
where you see like that may have been what happened
on the last interception of the Buccaneers Panthers games, where
Mike Evans is like, Okay, is this coverage I'm gonna
do this? Baker Mayfield knows that it's that, and then
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Mike Evans cuts inside, Baker Mayfield throws it outside, and
then you get an interception. And so that's the thing
where I think that when we're seeing these quarterbacks now
and they're coming up doing all of this seven on
seven and a lot of them are running these same offenses,
they're running a ton of RPO where it's very simplified
to where it's okay, you read the linebacker, if he
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does this, then you either hand it to the or
you read the key off the line and hand it
to the running back based off what the defensive end does,
or you throw it based off what the linebacker's doing,
whatever the case may be. But the game has become
so simplified with these quarterbacks, and that's why you're seeing
some many of them struggle. If Kirk Cousins a guy
who is a proto tip, cool pocket passer, this is
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a guy that's capable of going one, two, three, four five.
Like he said, if he's struggling with this type of stuff,
what do you think these young quarterbacks that have been
running ourpo and simplified reads where it's okay, if this
guy's not open, maybe maybe you go to two and
then you run. And that's why you see some of
the struggling that's going on there. And so that's why
(26:23):
I think you see some of the regression in the
play from the quarterback position is because these defenses are
getting more complex. They're you know, they're just getting tougher
to crack. And so that's the thing I wonder where
we see it now. Me personally, I do think that
Bryce Young will end up being a four thousand yard
passer at some point in his career.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I think he will.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I just think he has to get more weapons, and
I think that the Panthers have to continue to take
the reins off of him. But do you feel, like Flannel,
this is something that you will see from bryceshamk throughout
his career. Do you feel like you'll see one or
multiple seasons where he up these types of numbs.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
So Big Cat Dan brings up a really interesting point.
You look at Jalen Hurts. Last year, he had two thousand,
nine hundred and three yards passing eighteen touchdowns five interceptions,
also ran the ball for six hundred and thirty yards
and fifteen touchdowns. I think that's probably the area that
you'd like to see Bryce maybe pick it up a
little bit more. If he's going to not necessarily throw
(27:23):
for nearly as many yards, maybe get you know, closer
to that number.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I'm not saying he got to be at six thirty.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
That's a pretty decent amount of rushing yards, especially for
a quarterback, but I think that's kind of the quarterback
that you're gonna see from Bryce Young. I don't know
if he ever reaches the four thousand yard mark. It's possible,
but I think at some point you've got to surround
him with a bunch of different weapons.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
That's what that's ultimately.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
What's gonna have to happen, is you're gonna have to
have high, high level weapons and maybe you know, a
guy like t Mac can grow into that. You can
get a guy like Jalen Koker to fit into that
puzzle somewhere, but you're gonna need someone different besides Xavier
Leaguet you're gonna need a tight end that can be
more of a consistent threat at the receiving spot or
(28:07):
as a receiver as opposed to some of the guys
that they have, and maybe even a dynamic running back
out of the backfield. That's how I think you're gonna
find him getting to four thousand yards, because I just
don't think that's necessarily how his game works. He's going
to be a guy where the running game is going
to need to be successful in order for him to succeed.
And that's perfectly fun. You can still be a franchise guy.
(28:30):
We see guys like that around the league a lah
Jalen Hurts. So I think that is possible. It's just
the Panthers have to buy in on that, and I
think they are based on some of the moves that
they've made.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, and so he also, you know, he's asking a question,
with the numbers that Jalen Hurts has produced, do you
really need that? And so yeah, I think that what
Jalen Hurts did, and I imagine he's talking about last year. Yes, yes, yeah,
you don't need that when you have a running back
that's absolutely going insane upon the NFL just unleashing, pure Hell,
(29:02):
you have an offensive line that's one of the best
we've ever seen. Because folks, when we go back and
look at this thing, that Philadelphia Eagles offensive line from
last season is one of the best of my lifetime. Okay,
like this was. There will be multiple Hall of Famers
that will come off of this line. So when you
have that, you have two Pro Bowl to All Pro
caliber receivers at your disposal. Dallas Goddard, I would consider
(29:26):
a high level tight end. It was pick your poison
with that Eagles offense last year. So that's why I
think that, Yeah, you can afford to put up numbers
like that. When I can run the ball at five
yards a clip, my running backs capable of running sixty
plus yards every single game for touchdown, I get chunk
plays by the boat loads. My defense is insane as well.
So they're giving me the ball back on turnovers and
(29:48):
they're also giving me short fields because they're pressing the
issue with these offenses. So yeah, I think when you
do have that, yeah, of course I can get away
with that. But I think that you know, a quarterback
four team like the Rams, they run the ball well.
But Matt Stafford I still think is very much needed.
We saw him in that Seattle game. He had to
throw for a gargantuan amount of yards for them to
(30:11):
be able to, you know, hang and stay in that
game with the Seattle Seahawks and continue to apply pressure
Dak Prescott. We know that they run the ball well,
but they also throw the ball a ton as well.
So I think you still need quarterbacks playing at a high,
high level, like New England for example, with Drake May.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Drake May will cross that threshold.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
They needed him to do that because their running game
and the rest of that team is not necessarily capable
of them winning games. Because he averages two sixty three
per game. I think if he's out here throwing for
one ninety to two hundred a game and he's got
twenty five touchdowns, let's take six or seven of those away.
I don't think New England can win with Drake May
(30:48):
putting up pedestrian numbers.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
So that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
So I think that last year what you saw from
Jalen Hurts, and we see this year when you look
at Jalen Hurts his numbers, he's at thirty one hundred
and fourteen yards. He's got twenty four touchdowns to six picks.
We know also he's more than capable of running the ball,
but I think that with Philly this year, it ain't
looking the same. That's why they have as many losses
as they do because Saquon isn't doing what he's doing.
(31:13):
And I think if Jalen Hurts was capable of putting
a team on his back and saying, all right, guys,
I can get out here and throw for a four
hundred in a giving game if you need me to
or hire threes multiple weeks to be able to get
this game going, then I think that we would see
a different Eagles team and a team that we probably
would feel more comfortable about repeating out here as well.
(31:34):
So I think that we can get into a little
bit more of this. On the other side, I think
this is good convo. Let me know what you guys
think as well. Do the Panthers need Brysham to get
to that level for them to be a Super Bowl contender?
Because you feel like that right now with the numbers
he's putting up, yes, good enough to get you to
a wild card. And that's kind of because the division
(31:56):
is what it is. But if the Carolina Panthers won
the NFC Norse with the Detroit with the Chicago would
Bryce Young need to be even more productive to be
able to make them a more explosive offense, to be
able to make them, you know, be able to compete
to beat the upper echelon team. So we'll talk about
some more of that. On the other side. This is
(32:18):
the Western Walkership. And just like that, folks, we are back.
This is the Western Walker showed me and my man
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(32:41):
injury law dot com. All right, going over to the
fandel text line, I got some good stuff going. Brian says,
it's too soon to say Bryce will never throw for
four thousand yards. This is only year two of Bryce
coming into his own with Canalisis system, and there's a chance,
with added weapons and Bryce's growth that we will see
him throw for four k or even more. I would
agree with you very much. And then talking about least
(33:03):
favorite things for the holidays be Bob from Rock three
or aka Upbeat Bob says, least favorite thing is shopping
is dealing with people that are oblivious to things going
on around them, no self awareness whatsoever, standing in the
middle of the aisles blocking them. I kind of missed
COVID when we had the one way directions down the aisle.
(33:27):
M Dog says. The older I get, the more I
appreciate the simple gifts. I love a good pair of
Nike sons, right simple man to please, No more place
says I'm least looking forward to my three sisters.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
In law bringing their six kids. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Man, those kids are gonna be pretty litty, So best
of luck to you there. Listen, man be Bob. I
know that you know he can give us some wild responses.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
That was a good one.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
As the kids say, this man knows, Bob, because you
want to see me get aggravated. One of my son's
favorite things is he loves to see me get upset
and go on ramts.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
He absolutely loves it.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Sometimes he would tell me to wait until we get
into the car, or he tells me to wait until
we get into a space where I can fully explain myself.
Because he enjoys the ramts are gone so much, and
I get so frustrated with that in the mall when
people are walking slow in front of me, or when
the mall is buzzing and they stop in the middle
(34:21):
of the walkways and they're stopping to look for something
or they need to stop to emphasize something and talking
about I get so aggravated when they do that. I'm like,
can you get the hurl out of my way? Okay?
So I know you guys a feeling. I'm like, you know,
you know the mall is crowded. You know that there
(34:41):
are hundreds of people walking through here. Why are you stopping?
You gotta keep it moving and keep a steady pace. Now,
if you're elderly, okay, Okay, mama, we're gonna we're gonna
hold it down for you. You good, all right? Or sir,
you're good. But if you are fully body abled, full
fully able to keep it pushing, you need to keep
(35:03):
it pushing, all right. So we've been having a conversation
about four thousand yards passers, about quarterbacks, what we see
Bryce doing, and so Philip Rivers also comes into this
conversation because again we've been talking about a lot of
these quarterbacks coming out of college.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
It equipped to play the pro game.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And we see a quarterback like Philip Rivers, forty four
years old. He comes back onto the scene yesterday and
he looked pretty good. Like I said, I thought he
looked very capable. That's something I would say because a
lot of people thought that the old man was gonna
come out there and just you know, end up getting
put on a stretcher or not being able to play good.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Philip Rivers throws for.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Two seventy seven with two touchdowns last night, seven point
nine yards per completion. I mean, he really liked. Some
people like to say turn back the clock. So let's
hear Kyle Shanahan talking about Philip Rivers and why having
a quarterback of his age and experience is better than
having a What.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Do you see from Philip when you turn on the tape?
Speaker 6 (36:03):
I see, I mean, he is a little bit older,
so might not quite be as fast, might not quite
be able to throw it at the same distance that
he used to. But you don't know that for sure
because you don't get to see it exactly on tape.
But I see a guy who knows how to play
the position as good as anyone. I think he had
twenty seven throws in that game, and every ball goes
to the exact right spot he attacked. Their coverage is great.
(36:25):
He played against a very good pass rush and was
able to get rid of the ball. It's one of
the best quarterbacks I've ever watched, and he definitely helped
that team. What is it about the NFL in the
quarterback position where a forty four year old with.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Diminishing physical skills can have more success than a twenty
two year old with all the physical skills in the world.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Because when you go against defenses like it's very rare,
especially I mean, you just pick up Seattle last week.
You're not going to run away from something like that,
you know, now athletic ever a really good defense very
rarely or you have to be, you know, so on
a lead level like someone like vic or you know,
Lamar or something like that, just athletically run away from teams.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
You gotta be able to get rid of the ball.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
And to be able to get rid of the ball
is it's a unique talent that doesn't just some people
haven't and some people don't. Whether it's vision, whether it's
arm throwing, angles, whether it's mental processing, like whether it's
just your feel and clear mind in the pocket. But
when things are moving fast at an elite level, you
don't athletically. It's it's really hard to get away from
(37:23):
those guys. That's about getting rid of the ball and
letting someone else do it.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yo.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
That's I mean, well spoken by mister Shanahan. Okay, And
this is what I talk about When you guys, or
when I see it and it happens over and over
and over again, we get enamored with the athletic quarterback.
It's like the six three two guard that you feel
(37:47):
like can lead your team to an NBA championship because
the average is thirty per game. When we know that
that's not the formula that works, Okay, I get so
tired of seeing it. That's why I get frustrated when
I see cats like Leonora's Sellers and Anthony Richardson, and
I mean, you take your pick. They come in all shaped,
sizes and colors. When you talk about these athletic quarterbacks,
(38:10):
but they're not full filled readers. They don't fully understand
a position. And that is why when these guys get
to the NFL and you sit there and you say,
why doesn't this guy work? That is why a guy
like Philip Rivers, with his skill set, he could not
afford to not know how to read the entire field.
Philip Rivers could never sit there and just be like, yeah, man,
(38:31):
you know I can. I can get out there, and
you know I run a four, two five, and I
can just out run cats and let my receivers play
scrambled drill and find them down the field.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
It doesn't work like that.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Michael Vick when he was at his APEX, I remember
going to a Panthers game here Bank of America Stadium.
I sat with my back up against the concrete. That's
how high we were. We were at the very last
of the stadium and my man, pa God rest his soul.
But the Panthers had a great game plan. They had
Thomas Davis says a spy. They stayed in their rush lanes.
(39:03):
They didn't go crazy and give Michael Vick lanes to
be able to run, and he had to sit and
read the field. The Philadelphia Eagles did the same thing
to him, and he struggled. And that's why to all
of the kids out there, if you're listening to the show,
you're probably not, but these fathers, you gotta tell your sons.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
If you have an.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Athletic quarterback, you gotta be able to read the field
and play the position from the pocket. It's the only
way you're gonna have success in the NFL. It is
the only way. And that's why cat like Philip Rivers
can come back at forty four and have success because
he still got the mind for it. He says, Hey,
just give me two and a half seconds to get
(39:44):
back there and know because again he's so well versed.
He's a guy that yes, yeah, may get money, like
Kirk Cousins was talking about, but he knows all right,
pre snap, I pretty much know what they're doing, and
then he's gonna be able to tell very quick at
the snap even if they changed coverage. He knows, Okay,
this is what it is. Bald needs to go here,
(40:05):
it's gone. And so that's the difference, you guys, when
you're watching these quarterbacks play and you see him run
around and do all this crazy stuff, more times than not,
they're missing reads. Their guys running open that they should hit,
or there's tight windows that they could throw it into
to be able to keep the offense moving. And so
(40:25):
that's why now when I see these athletic quarterbacks, because
I used to be the same one when I was
younger and I didn't know as much about football. He
used to get caught up in that too. And now
when I see I just rolled my eyes. I'm like, no,
I'm straight. I don't want him.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Give me.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Give me, you know, give me a cat that is
going to be able to read the entire field and
that knows what he is doing. So with what we've
seen from Bryce Young, he's had some very good performances
this year. But the guardiess of his performances was when
he went up against the Atlanta Falcons and he threw
four four hundred and forty eight yards and three touchdowns
(40:59):
at a sixty nine percent clip in that game, and
he threw up forty five times. I'm not saying if
you're the Carolina Panthers that you should be throwing at
that much, but I fully think this is what Bryce
is capable of. And I said, in that game, you
had a lot of you know, multi receiver sets spread out,
You're able to divine coverage a little bit more. Guys
can have a little bit easier chance of winning, And
(41:22):
so I think that the Panthers are going to be
even more explosive the more they take the reins off Bryce.
Next year he'll be coming into year three of canals
to system. They're going to add some more weapons and
you know, flying her to your point, you talk about
the weapons he needs, I don't even think he has
to have, you know, like you said, high level weapons,
it's are you do you have something high level? What
(41:43):
do I mean by that? Do I have a receiver?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
You know?
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Like I said tedor Roa, he's good at finding holds
and coverage. I think he's gonna be a reroute guy
if he's not already. But he's a really good possessment
receiver and he can give you some fifty to fifty skills.
Then do you have a speed merchant you can add
to that that you can count on. Then do you
have another guy that's maybe in between? Because when you
look at Cam Newton in this MVP season, a lot
of people say, oh, well, he didn't have the greatest receivers,
(42:09):
but everybody in that unit had a skill set that
made sense for the offense. Where you had Philly Brown
that was kind of like an in between he could
get He could kill you with speed or he could
hit you with some possession. You had Ted ginn as
the speed guy, and then you had Contrey as your
pure possession guy. And then you had Greg Olsen that
(42:29):
was your stud and he could do a little bit
of everything from the tight end position. Now, none of
those names outside of Greg Olsen, nobody's going to be
talking about them among the best at their positions. But
the skill set they possessed, it made you honest because
you had to respect Ted againspeed, You had to respect
Jericho Katry in between the hashes. You had to respect
(42:50):
Philly Brown because he could catch you lacking as well.
And so that's all I'm saying. And I think that
when they put that type of skill set around Bryce
Young or that type of receiving cord that's complete with
I think we're going to see him be able.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
To deliver at a higher level.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Yeah, you really, the explosive player on the outside is
really what he's looking for most I think right now,
that's what this offense is lacking. You don't have someone
that can consistently win downfield, and it doesn't have to
be a blazer man it's just got to be someone
that knows how to win in that portion of the field.
You know, the example that I brought up, I think
he's done a great job in his role this year
(43:25):
for New England.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
It's Matt Collins.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
That's a guy that just knows how to get opened
down the field and create some of those big plays.
And he can do some other stuff for him too,
but really he's that guy that brings that explosive nature
to the Patriots offense. So I think that's, you know,
the next goal for this group is to find that guy.
Also potentially find that tight end that could be. You know,
(43:51):
it doesn't have to be Greg Olsen, it doesn't have
to be Hall of Fame good, but just give you
somebody that can be a consistent receiving threat and I
think that's when you can really take this offense to
the next level. And maybe then you start having those
conversations about him throwing for four thousand yards. I mean,
the thing is is this year, I mean he's played
almost a complete year. He will miss one game, He's
(44:12):
gonna throw for maybe three thousand yards. That's what makes
me sort of question whether or not he could get
into that four thousand yard range, and to me, I
don't know if he has to get to that range
as long as you've got a good running game, which
I think they are going to continue to have.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, I think that he's shown this year that he's
still able to make do with weapons that aren't necessarily
at the level that they need to be yet. And
so I think that's even another indicator to'll less, you know,
once they get what really needs to be in here.
He's got a twenty one to nine touchdown the interception ratio.
If he throws maybe four more touchdowns, you're looking at
(44:47):
maybe twenty five. Maybe he throws another pick or too,
but twenty five to ten, twenty five eleven. I think
that that is a very respectable season, especially when you
consider what he's got because, let's face it, man, you
know X we all love him and all of that,
but you're kind of going out their handicap right now.
Thank God for the emergence of Jalen Cocher, because then
this receiving call would really be in trouble had he
(45:07):
not stepped up. All right, that's great Panthers talk, man,
Good Panthers, sandwich we got for you. Next up, coming
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