December 4, 2025 • 45 mins
In the final hour of the show, Walker and Flounder dissect some of the possible College Football Playoff scenarios involving the ACC, discuss why conference pride has become such a big thing in the ACC and walk it off with a much-needed food discussion.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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One more hour Togo on the West and Walker Show.
Sports Radio ninety two seven wfn Z. Time now to
shift from Carolina Panthers discourse to some college football championship
weekend stuff. Here with what we have with the conference
championships taking place, we have some games, not only on Friday,
but then we get to the big boy games, a
lot of the big boy games, at least with what
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we have on Saturday and here in Charlotte, we'll have
Duke take on Virginia. What's funny is yeah big boys?
Oh yeah, Manse, that's a big boy matchup if I've
ever seen one. Seven to five Duke versus Virginia, who
has a good record, And yet I'm not as scared,
I know. I apologize to the Cavs fans I do,
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but I can't tell you that. I look at this
matchup and think, oh man, this is one for the
record books with how great the ACC is represented by
both of these programs.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Oh I will tell you right now, I am definitely
dumping in pampers, as Wes would say, for this one.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I do not want Duke to win this game.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think that's known by people because I am a
tarial fan, but more for the sake of the conference.
They are looking for a reason to leave the ACC out,
and if Duke wins, I think for sure the ACC
is not going to the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I'm laughing at Smellykat saying it sounds like a giant
tickle fight. I hate it for you.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, it's But if Virginia wins, this is what I said,
and I put this in a rundown yesterday. If Virginia wins,
I still think they're a legitimate champion.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Like you can.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You can point that team to that team and say,
I believe they have a chance to at least fight
for a title. Duke to fight for a national championship.
At eight and five, No.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
No, Virginia, they passed the threshold for conference champion. That
deserves to be in a twelve team playoff. They passed
that threshold. Right, you have done enough this season to
be one of those programs, Duke, to me, has not.
And because of conference technicalities, and that all of your
losses that have not been good just so happened to
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come out of conference. You just have racked up a
lot more of those losses than your typical conference champion.
And so because of the technicality, that is what is
your conference record. This is all we go off for
you to get to the conference championship. And I'm not
saying it's wrong, this is just how we do things.
Because of that, now they have a shot to somehow
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get to a top twelve spot. But even so, how
much of a percentage would you put on Duke getting
to a top twelve spot if they win the ACC championship?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I think at this point, well, remember it doesn't have
to be a top twelve spot, it just has to
be one of the top five conference champions.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Fair thing is fair.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
We have not seen Duke, and this is what we
brought up. And I wish they would have asked this
question to Hunter. Your check is how close was Duke
to being ranked? Because the American Conference champion is going
to be ranked. We know it's either North Texas or
it's two Lane. Both of those teams are ranked. That's
a conference that deserves to be in. Then you've got
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James Madison. James Madison's ranked twenty fifth. Duke is unranked.
So my question is to them, how close is Duke
to being ranked well?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And does it matter? I mean, if that if that's
already the case, because if you look at I need
to pull up the schedule again and the rankings, I
should say, excuse me. But that's the real question is
how much does it even really matter? Because if you
have James Madison and they are ranked twenty fifth, we'll
see exactly what happens with them tomorrow at seven o'clock
kick they play Troy. I guess a Troy victory isn't
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all that impressive at them having four really, So, so
that's the one. The other and what was the other
team that you just mentioned Tulane, I guess is twentieth.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
One of those teams you're playing a ranked team, you
will be in. I guarantee you the American Conference champion
will be in.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And so it really it comes down to JMU. That's
what it comes out to.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yes, it comes down to JMU and can Duke find
a way to jump them? They are a five lost team.
I don't think that they will find a way to
jump them. I mean, coming into this game, you are
too games over five hundred, like you're one loss away
in the regular season for being a six and six
football team, and that's who's playing for your conference championship.
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So I find it hard to believe that Duke really
is that close. Like, this is what sucks. We don't
have the others receiving votes the AP pole. We have
the others receiving votes. We know who's thirtieth, Who's you know,
thirty fifth whatever, Duke, we have no idea what the
college football playoff rankings, so we have to see can
they close the gap on James Madison. If you are
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the ACC, you like Jim Phillips, you are praying that
Virginia wins this game for the sake of the conference.
Don't get into that conundrum because Spoiled Sportsman says, well,
if Duke wins, that opens the door for Miami to
get in.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Miami's path to get in is BYU losing and Alabama losing.
They need both of those things to happen, and then
the door opens for Miami. It has absolutely nothing to
do with who wins the ACC Championship.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, Spoiled Sportsman also says there is no way Duke
gets in, and that's certainly how it's.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Seems, and that's a disaster scenario for the ACC man
because Virginia wouldn't get in at that point. Virginia wouldn't
get in, and neither would Miami.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Well, the other thing that's working against Duke is even
if you wanted to say the ACC is good enough
and there's all this disrespect, and if Duke wins, even
as a five loss team, they should still find themselves
in the top twelve. The issue with that becomes they
have a head to head loss against the team in
the mix two in Tulane. So having lost to Tulane,
now one, you're not jumping tou Lane, but then you're
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supposed to jump James Madison. And I guess my question
is do we put Yukon in the same category as
a James Madison type team and you lost to them too?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Similar?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, I guess that's my point with Duke is even
if you wanted to say they're an ACC champion, they
deserve to be recognized by being in the College Football
Playoff because they beat Virginia, so Blue Devils, they deserve
a spot to have those two losses amidst the five
that they have in total, the one against Tulane, who
is already in the mix, and the one against Yukon,
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which to me is somewhat equivalent to JMU. Even if
they're not in a conference themselves, you have them in
Notre Dame as the Independence. But even so, I think
those two losses specifically would be enough to keep Duke out.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And they have three more to look at, right, and
there's just no shot who is the great Who is
the great win for Duke? Look at their schedule. You
tell me a win that is phenomenal for them. They
don't even have a ranked win. I can't give you
one on the road. It's Clemson on the road's probably
the best one. That's the best one. So that's what
you're hanging your hat on.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
James Madison doesn't have a big win either, But James
Madison's record is eleven and one. You know who their
losses to Louisville, that's it, and they played them close,
so really it's not even I think they're going to
favor James Madison, and me, as a person that would
vote on something like that, I would say James Madison
deserves to be in over an eight and five dupe team.
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That an eight and five team in the sport of
college football where you have twelve teams that go into
the playoff, does not deserve to play for a championship.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I'm sorry they don't.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
And Virginia is there's no worry about them right if
they go in.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I think I will be honest with you, depending on
who they draw. I don't think it's impossible to see
Virginia winning a game, and there's no way that they
would get murdered if they played in the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And just to cover our bases here, there's no way
that you would have Virginia as a lower ranks team
than JMU. If Virginia gets the job done.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Virginia right now is ranked ahead of the American Conference champion.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
And JMU seventeenth.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Virginia wins, then what ends up happening is the American
Conference champ goes in. Jmu's out is not one of
the top five conference champs. James Madison misses out on
the College Football Playoff this year. Now here's the other
angle to this that we didn't talk about what happens
and I don't know what the case is there. Because
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it's James Madison, they're not going to report on it
as heavily as they do Ole Miss.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
What happens if.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Bob Chesney says, hey, I got to go to UCLA,
I got to put together my recruiting class, I'm not
coaching you guys in the playoff. Then an eleven to
one James Madison team without a head coach, or an
eight and five Duke team.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Then it gets a little closer.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Then you're starting to have that to be I would
still probably lean James Madison.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I would too, but and then then the committee would
have to figure out what they're gonna do with ole
Miss and JMU for undergoing a very similar situation with
their coaches being out. And not to say that you're
not gonna have ole Miss in, it's just where do
you see them?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So if you have and I think they should be
penalized for not having Lane, I think Pete Golden is
going to be a solid higher for them, but I
don't think he's Lane Kiffen.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But but what's going to be interesting is if they
don't want James Madison in and they use Bob Chesney
leaving as a reason to not have them in in
the scenario we speak of, But then they also use
Lane Kiffin being gone as a reason to seed Ole
miss uh or I should say they use Ole Miss
and they put them at the higher seed because of
the sec bias. Excuse me if they have if they
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speak out of both sides of them, out of their
mouth on that front, that will be interesting. And it
just continues to go to show you that the Committee
tries to move the goalpost as much as possible and
often succeeds doing so.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Oh yeah, that's the thing the Committee when it comes
to how they put certain teams in, they move the
criteria around all over them. There's so many different criteria
that go into it. Because for one thing, like Notre
Dame in Miami, well, we're going to focus on the
best team, Okay, Well then then when you go to
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JM you and Duke, well, we're gonna focus on who
the most deserving team is. That's where I think it's
a little confusing for college football fans, and I get
that anger, but I mean, yeah, man, it's just my
personal opinion. I don't think a five loss team should
be playing in the College Football Playoff, But I can
understand if you look at what they do, because you
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can say whatever you want, you can make the joke.
Salty Pirate will probably jump in here and be like, oh,
it really isn't better than the sun Veil or whatever,
but it is.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
The ACC is a different level of football.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So if they were to put them in, I would
understand why, but I would not be happy with it
because I just don't. And that's the thing. People need
to feel the difference here. It's not because it's Duke.
I don't care who it was that was in there.
I don't care if Miami was the five loss team,
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you're not putting them in. Nobody's going in five losses.
In my mind, Oh yeah, it's not the bias, No,
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, that doesn't seem to be a biased take to
say that a five loss team should not be a
top twelve. And by the.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Way, you want to see why you don't expand this
to sixteen teams. I get it, it would be at
large teams that would be getting in twelve. Is perfectly
fine because you're going to be putting a team in
there that I mean, are they really going to compete
whoever that twelve seed is, if it's James Madison or
if it's Duke. Do you do you really feel like
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either one of those teams are going to compete? Probably
not the American Conference champion. If Virginia wins, Yes, I
believe North Texas or Tulane could could give a five
seed trouble.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah. And what's interesting about Duke too. Just last thing
is because of Darien Mensa, Like I know that they
have five losses. I'm totally I totally agree with everything
that you said. You and I both agree they should
not be in the College Football Playoff if they do
pull off the upset against Virginia. I will say, I
do think that Duke has a quarterback that is good
enough to potentially be the kind of guy that pulls
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off of an upset. I don't think the team around
him is good enough. But quarterback is the sexiest player
on any football team. Yes, a good one is fun
to watch and they have the best quarterback on the.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I would say they have the best quarterback and close
because I the thing about Chandler Morris is I don't
want to downplay the season he's had. He's had a
really good season and he was beat up in the
middle of the year and still found a way to
fight through it. So I think Chandler is closer to
Darien Mensa than maybe some of the other possible battles
that could have happened in this ACC championship. But I'd
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still I would go with Darien Mensa is probably the
better quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So could he put up enough points? Whoever? They would play,
but you would be playing a crazy see. I mean
you'd be playing I guess Ohio State or Indiana would
the Well, what would the champion play here? I'm trying
to bring up the bracket. So if it was I
guess the fifth rated seed, if you're talking about Duke,
which it wouldn't, it wouldn't happen. I don't look, to
be honest with you, it doesn't matter what this feels
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like a moot point because dude's just not getting in it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I don't think they are because again, unless they are
twenty sixth on the committee's list, and they are right there.
They are one spot behind JMU and they were the
next team they were going to put in. There is
no way they can do anything. I don't think of
Virginia win is gonna be enough to get him in.
So and I don't think, again, five losses, you should
not be playing for a national title. And I don't
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care if it was Carolina. Like some dumbass on the
text line texted in and said, oh, well, if it
was Carolina, you'd be stumping for him to get in.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You're wrong, I would be stumming for them to not
be in.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I agree with you. I think people need to understand,
and I get it. I don't know anybody that loves
North Carolina more than Fiddie and Floundy. I will say,
there is no way that I would believe that you
would be advocating for Carolina. You would be saying that
isn't there. I agree with that. I agree with that,
all right. We have a couple more segments to go on. WESN.
Walker Sports Radio ninety two seven WFNZ. WESN Walker Sports
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Radio ninety two seven WFNZ. It's not quite a show
until Flounder starts going back and forth with Duke slash
NC State fans on the fangul text line.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
These people, these people are hurt, Walker, these people are hurt.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Because they said and Martin Martin brought up a fair point.
He said, if Carolina now he said the tar holes
because you know, a classic, but he said, if Carolina
was in, you would not complain. Of course I wouldn't.
If they were in, I would not apologize. And I
don't expect Duke fans to apologize. They make the field,
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so you don't know us nothing. You can just say, hey,
we're in, man, we're playing for a championship. But personally,
if my team was seven and five, I would tell
you I don't believe my team deserves to be in,
but yes, if they won, I wouldn't be like, man,
I'm really sorry guys that my team made a champion, right, I'd.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Be like, let's go. Are they gonna win? Probably not,
but let's do it.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Coach. So I touched the basketball. It was out of
bounds on me.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I just wanted to be honest. Okay, go tell the
ref you're a good man. Joe you're a good man.
That's what you wouldn't you would the.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Most the most hated teammate ever.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, that's a fictional guy on television that says coach
I touched the ball.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Hey man, human error. It's a thing. Don't say anything,
even if it is off of you. I do not
preach that kind of sportsmanship. All right, Speaking of sportsmanship,
I did want to ask people this because we had
this conversation in the side studio. College Basketball ACC SEC Challenge.
SEC ends up winning nine to seven when it looked
like the ACC could win themselves nine to seven, or
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they can at least tie this thing up. All we
needed was Louisville to take care of business. They couldn't
do it. All we needed was NC State to get
a win. They couldn't do it. Boston College to hold
on when they got to overtime, they couldn't do it.
So so many chances, so many opportunities to win this challenge,
and they come up short on the second night of
the two day event. Okay, how much are you pulling
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for your rival within the conference for the good of
the conference, within the ACC SCC Challenge seven oh four five,
seven oh ninety six ten. For instance, North can't do it. Man,
I'm just asking North Carolina fans, were you pulling for
Duke in that close game against Florida? By any chance?
Were you pulling for NC See? This is the thing.
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I can't find any way that the die hard fans
would be pulling for these teams. I do want to
know if if people have changed as they've gotten older
and or changed at all for any like in the
era of college sports that we're in right now, with
the way that the SCC is challenging for basketball dominance.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, you know what, let's ask the og on the show.
Would you root for other ACC teams that arrivals to
have success?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
No? Hell no?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Okay, So that's yeah, we got the answer.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So and I understand I wanted to ask this in
a different way because I know so many people would
say I'd pull for Satan before I would shoot pull
for the arrival, and that's how it should be. I
guess I want to know if there's any backtracking at
all on the way that college sports the construct of
it right now, Like the way we talked about it
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in the side studio was you're not going to pull
for NC State or Duke to win their games. In fact,
you would hate it if they won, right cool, I
get that, But we would be praising the ACC if
they won the ACC SEC challenge because of what happened
in those NC State Duke games. Yep, So I actually
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one fully understand the cognitive dissonance that that brings. Oh yeah,
I guess we know we had to rely on Duke
in NC State winning, But I'm not going to commend
them for winning, even if I do appreciate that they
want said the ACC one. I want to know how
much of that has changed as the SEC challenges the
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ACC for basketball dominance in a way that they never
used to do. Right, Like conference pride? Do you think
conference pride is bigger within the last three years around
here than it used to be with conference realignment and
the disrespect that the ACC has been shown? Like do
you find a little more pride that you have for
this conference flounder or is it the same as it
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ever was for you?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I mean, I do think there's a little more pride
to it. I do think you're getting to that point
now where you really have to think to yourself because
of how much you see guys like Joe len already
knock down the conference because it's hurt hurting your standing too,
it's turning your seating, it's hurting your ability to get
into the NCAA tournament if you're a team on the
NCAA bubble.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
So from that.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Perspective, I think there is a such thing as conference pride.
Now do I think it's like SEC football, where I
mean you've got teams literally pulling for rivals because it
just means more.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
No, no, no, I don't think it's that serious.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
But I'm gonna tell you right now, if stated one,
if Duke had won, I don't think I will. I
would have came in here and if they won, If
the ACC won the challenge, I would tell you right out, hey, man,
I'm proud of my conference.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Now I wouldn't. I wouldn't say I'm proud of those wins.
But at the same time, you know, it's one of
it's it's it's the tip of the cap, it's the
you know, the the uh I forget uh. It was
one of the guys that recently passed away, one of
the actors where he's got the beard.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
In the long hair.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
He looks kind of like Zach galifan Akis, and he
goes like this, He just looks over and goes gives
a slight nod to you. Oh yeah, I don't know
what you're talking about. That would be what I would do. Yeah,
thank you, yeah ya. But I still hate you.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
For sure, and I know that the hate's not going anywhere.
I get the double standard that comes with this, and
I appreciate it. And I don't even mean that lightly.
I don't mean that sarcastically. I appreciate the double standard
that comes with pulling for the conference, even without pulling
for two specific teams in the conference. And if you're
a state fan not pulling for North Carolina, it probably
is a little bit different for Duke for NC State fans.
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In fact, it absolutely is different for NC State fans
when it comes to Duke. But I did want to know,
like how much of a pulse do I have on
that kind of fandom that I knew so much to
be true in the two thousands, because this is what
I wonder, like how much fandom has evolved around here,
specifically in the nineties, right, and other people can speak
to the nineties a little bit better than I can.
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But in the nineties, you started to see this hardcore
rivalry you have it with Duke in North Carolina. It's
anybody but Carolina for State and Duke fans, it's anybody
but Duke, anybody but NC State for North Carolina fans.
That still is true to this day for the most part,
except now we're in a world where the ACC is
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not looked upon with all of this reverence with its
basketball and the ACC they decided that they wanted that back,
and so North Carolina'd get serious about their basketball again.
NC State doing the same thing. We love the Final
four run. I would like to have that a little
more frequently rather than every thirty years, every fifty years.
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So with the ACC respect, do you have more respect
for the conference now because of all the disrespect that
has been shed onto this conference by the outside, Yes.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
One hundred percent. That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Man, if they were if the disrespect was not coming
towards the conference, I don't think that you would really
be feeling any sort of conference pride. I think, honestly,
you'd be like I was for the longest time. I
don't give a damn about the rest of this conference.
I'm worried about myself. But it's evolved over the last
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few years. And when you're a team that's on the
bubble like Carolina was last year, you start to realize that, hey,
you know, we're not the ACC.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Ain't getting a lot of representation here.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Man.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Every time you watch the TV, Joe when already is
talking down about the ACC, about how it's a terrible
basketball conference, how there's no way that any of these
teams should deserve to make the tournament.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Last year, this is a three bit league.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It's like, come on, and even Louisville was misseeated so drastically.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, and that's the thing. Louisville ends up getting misseated.
But those people are telling you, oh, no, that's fine, No,
that's exactly where they deserve to be because they didn't
play nobody. So that's where I think you start to
get to that point where they have they have basically
instilled conference pride into you because you hear the disrespect
with that. I mean, it's not as much with the
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College football Playoff show. I don't think, because I gotta
be honest, when it comes to ACC football, I just
think ACC football is pretty well well because.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It's fall into traditional views there right. Like to me,
it also getting serious once the SEC tried to take
round ball over. That was the issue that it means
more in football. Okay, we had our moments. We have
the moments when we're going to ACC kickoff and we
rise up the escalators and we see the Heisman trophy
Lamar Jackson brings home, and we see the championship trophy
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Clemson brings home. This is our time, had.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Our time.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
We've had our times before in the ACC. But typically
I think people in ACC country understand n SEC football
is better historically. Yes, it is, just like ACC basketball
is better historically. You guys can still have the football.
We get it. We'll have our moment in the sun,
but for the most part that's going to be y'all's thing.
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You guys are trying to take this basketball thing over
permanently from us, and we can't have that. So now,
if we really want to stand and fight for it,
how much are you willing to fight for the conference
pride and that I'm now rooting for Duke in NC State,
I am now rooting for those we don't speak of.
I'm rooting for Valdemort. Does that happen to people as
we get older, and the ACC gets more and more disrespected,
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That's my question. And I do feel like you're starting
to see a tiny bit of that because the basketball pride,
it is real around here out on the eastern part
of the state. Even in Charlotte, we've had a lot
of pride towards the Charlotte Hornets. My classic phrase, if
you build it, they will come. You give the Hornets
fans something to cheer for. People still care about basketball
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within state lines football those culture. Basketball is still a sport.
Basketball is never going to catch up to football. But
we still care about basketball more than lots of other
states out there, within lots of other states. Indiana's the one. Like,
We've got a couple of states that would lay claim
to that, but North Carolina would be one of those.
And I do wonder if all right, enough of this.
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Y'all stay down there in Florida, y'all stay down there
in Georgia. Okay, Alabama, y'all don't know nothing about no basketball. Man,
Come on, y'all got Latrell spree Well and Averie Johnson.
That's it right. None of this Mark Sears Bs and
none of this NATO's trying to reinvent the game. No, man,
you'll stay down there, y'all, stay out of the Carolina
state lines. That's what I wonder if people are starting
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to feel more and more like that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, I think there certainly are. I mean, that's the thing.
This is what this conference did really well. This is
especially in this area. Like if you go down man
Miami Radio, even with Miami being on the precipice of
going into the college football playoffs, are they arguing the
case for Miami on Miami Radio or are they arguing
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the case for the ACC. They don't care one lick
about the ACC. But I think here, because you've got
so many teams locally, you've got so many fan bases
that are here. For some reason, this brings out the
conference pride. This brings the most backlash that you have
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to the SEC being treated the way that it's being treated.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
So mean, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Man.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I'm not where Collin's at.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I'm not yet at his point, but I do believe
that there are some salient points that people bring up
when they say, hey, ACC really is being disrespected here
and it's it's not right.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Well, the thing to me that really turned it on
its head from me. I could dismiss Joe Lunardi a
couple of years ago when NC State made the Final
four and they had to beat Duke in order to
get there. So now you're talking about two ACC teams
in the Elite eight, I could dismiss it as BS
and there was nothing they could lay claim to as
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being right. Last year, I couldn't do it all that much.
That was the issue. Yeah, Like when I felt like
I didn't have a case for a year and it
felt like the other side was right. That hurt my pride.
Two wins, I can't go to the ACC SEC Challenge.
Two wins, an SEC team wins the championship. ACC teams
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North Carolina gets beat by an SEC team in the
first round. Like last year was the come to Jesus
moment for the ACC, and teams acted accordingly. North Carolina
they decided, all right, we need to spend a lot
of money. Enough messing around and C State same thing.
I keep going back to it. Duke had already been there,
but all these teams started to act like even Virginia,
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Tony Bennett retires the way that he does, but they
go make a serious higher in Ryan Odam like all right,
we got to go get back to our basketball ways
that we showcased in the too that late twenty tens,
mid to late twenty tens. We need to get back
to that. That was the come to Jesus moment and
I do want that. It's why I wanted to immediately
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win this challenge and get things started right out of
the gate. And they almost got there. It's clearly not
what it was last year. All right, it was almost tied.
It should have been in Louisville. Might make up for
it in the NCAA tournament. That might happen. But I
think that points to why I wanted to win this
so badly, because I wanted to take over what was
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rightfull the hours, and it has been hours for years
and years and years and since the dawn of time,
and with the SEC infiltrating this area, I don't like it. Flounder.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
No, I didn't like it either.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
And that's the thing I think moving forward, this is
this is the conversation that you got to have, is
that it's a year to year thing with all of
these leagues, and you're going to see it. I think
with the SEC this year, there are not going to
be nearly as many teams that make it in. And
am I saying that the ACC should have as many
teams as the SEC make it. I'm not saying that,
but the numbers should be a hell of a lot
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closer than it was last year. Like there were I
forget how many teams made it from the SEC. It
was like twelve or thirteen, crazy something like that. That
number should be down this year. What we saw in
this challenge, I think that it showed you there are
a decent amount of teams in the SEC that don't
deserve to be in the tournament, and there are a
decent amount of teams in the ACC that coming into
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the year you might not have thought would fight to
get into the tournament that should be in. One team
that I saw and I told you this yesterday, and
they're gonna be there. They're gonna be on the bubble
and they're gonna be a factor is Miami. I love
what Jie Lucas is doing down there. I think that
you know, them bringing him in early is going to
pay dividends for them, And I think that's gonna be
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one of those teams. We're talking about Virginia, about State,
those teams that are on the precipice put Miami in
that conversation too as the year goes along, because I
think they're going to be right on the bubble of
getting in. And to me, they just beat the breaks
off of an SEC team, just destroyed Ole Miss. So
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if it comes down to that and Ole Miss is
one of those teams on the bubble, then Miami should
clearly be in.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
That's how I look at it.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
We'll get and now to put a bow on it,
I just wanted a case to go off of, and
I didn't feel like I had one last year. Right now,
even with losing the Challenge, which again I probably am
putting too much importance in, but with the way that
it represents something even if you didn't win the challenge,
now we can say, hey, North Carolina, our blue blood
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went against your blue blood and we won what we
had with Duke. They went against your national champion last
year and Duke won. Virginia is back. I don't know
how back, but they're somewhat back. Now we can point
to some stuff and even if Louisville loses, they're still
going to have an impressive resume. They're going to be
fantastic this season. Yes, so even if they have this loss,
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we still know that they're going to make up for it.
So this year we're going to have a case in
a way that I felt naked not having won last year.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
And it's been it's been a few years really, you.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Know, and it had been trending that way at NC State.
Making the final four really was something that we could
point to and say, see, hey, this was it helped
us out.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
And that's the other case, right, is that the reason
to put ACC teams in is because when you put
them in the field, they seem to make runs.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Now, last year, except for last year, last year showed you,
except for last.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Year, that was the right decision to leave a lot
of those teams out. And even so, you know, somebody
was saying on the text line, well, you know, Louisville,
you guys thought they were mis seated. They got beaten
the first round. So what they got a tougher matchup
in the first round than they would have had if
they were a sixth seed. But if they were a
sixth seed, they might win that first round matchup.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
They were mis seeded.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
And again here I am just beating a dead horse.
But what I will say, is it goes to the
point I couldn't go to and there was no safety,
there was nothing. Louisville lost in the first round and
they got beat by double digits. They weren't. It didn't
if I remember correctly, They weren't really ever in that game.
Once we got to the second half against Creighton, No
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not really. Yeah, North Carolina losing to Ole Miss and
they had to come back to make that close. They
were down twenty.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
To be fair, that was how Carolina played every game,
any game against the legitimate opponents. They said, let me
get down twenty and then we'll turn it on.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, and then we you get to
Douke who It's just that that would have been the
thing that we could go to as well, right, like, hey,
do the best team in the country at least we're
real real top heavy, and that we have won and
they lose to Houston. They don't get to the final
despite having one of the best teams I personally have
ever seen, one of the best, most well put together
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teams I've ever seen. And with that, we'll move on
because I don't want to make smoke depressed. Having thought
about last year's Duke team as the national champion without
actually being the national champion. It's Western Walker unless you
want to talk. I figured he did feel free. It's
Western Walker. Sports Radio ninety two seven WFNZ. The walk
off is coming up next.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
The challenge for me to a walk off.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Oh yeah, that's a walkoff challenge, my friend, it's a
walk off. It's a walk off. West and Walker Sports
Radio ninety two seven w f Z. Appreciate everybody joining us. Man,
we have fun off the air, you know, no, we do. Indeed,
(34:10):
I hate Wes does it all the time. And I've
talked to not like off air or whatever. I've talked
to him on air about it. But it feels like
people are left out of the inside shows we bring.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Here's the thing I'm not gonna Wes will will get
like right to the point and then just leave the
most important part out. That's right, which I'm just telling you.
I just said.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
We have fun. That's that's all.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
We're joking around, having fun. This is a great environment
to work in.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Here's a fun conversation that Richie brings up on the
fandual text line. We have not talked about food in
a while. Okay, we need to reach our food.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
How have we not this week?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I'm not sure how Richie said, don't know where I
go for better food takes than the WFNZ text lines.
Who's gonna try this one on for size? Who has
tried the McDonald's Grinch fries? And are they fire or
are they fizzle? I have not, but I am saying
to try them. I'm willing to try them though. What
say you?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah, I'd give them a shot? Why not?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
What?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Rishie? What is the difference?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Is there something that is so different that I have
to try them? Because if they're just the regular fries, well,
I mean, yeah, I'll try them, but it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
The same thing.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Oh okay, McDonald's Grinch fries accord, Yeah, they are dill
pickle macshaker fries. Offered as a part of a limited
time holiday promotion. Customers receive a bag of fries and
a packet of Grinch salt seasoning to add to the
bag and shake for a tangy dill pickle flavor. Are
you a pickle? Oh? I would definitely try this. Okay,
(35:37):
So you're a oh, I don't know if we knew
that you're big pickles?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Love dill, pickles, love del pit.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Like the people that say that a Chick fil a
sandwich shouldn't have pickles on it, I question them.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
You questioned me, that's me. I stay ten toes down
on this. Come on, I stand right here before you
said a sandwich.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
It's not shocking because when we did the pickle juice shots,
you were disgusted.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
You couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
To me, I wasn't gonna shit down and sip the
whole barrel of them. But I could have had a
few of them and I would have been perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
The pickles are one of those foods that I have
grown to like more and more. Except what I like
is a big, thick, juicy pickle. I don't like the
pickle slices. Excuse me, Yeah, that's right. I know you're
gonna play it. That's fair. The whole wow, the whole
pickle conversation is saturated in the phrasing sound bite. But
I am here to tell you that the only pickle
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I like is the big, thick, juicy one. Okay, I'm
telling you that right now. Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm with you.
The slice pickles I don't like, but because of that crunch.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
So you're saying, you're saying the sliced like like that's
on a Chick fil a sandwich. Yeah, what if you
go and get a deli pickle where it is it's cut.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
It's close. Okay, it's close to me. You know what commercial?
You know how some commercials work the best? Actually you
want to know, not best commercials in terms of comedy,
but what commercials worked the best for you? You know,
like what commercial did you see and say, oh my god,
that looks fantastic. I want one because of the way
that this commercial makes this.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Food and commercial to hit home for me right.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Like to me, the velastic commercial comes to mind. Okay,
that big crunch that those kids would take out of
that giant pickle. That's what looked good to me. The
velastic commercial with a what was it a little pelican
or something like that, a stork with the velastic pickle.
I forget what it is, but that commercial worked on me,
even if I didn't like it. That's what looked good
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to me. Seven oh four, five, seven oh ninety six,
ten lots of laughing crying emojis or here on the
FanDuel tape. Come on, man, you know that was gonna happen. Yeah,
panther cliff soundcut. I know it's coming, baby, I know
it is going to be there. Into the sound that one.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That one, as we say, when when one is that good,
it has legs, it surely does.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
That could go that could go a long way.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Uh, somebody said an American Eagle Genes commercial. If you know,
you know, I do know what commercials, what commercials worked
the best on you? Seven oh four five, seven oh
ninety six ten, Please let us know. On the fandal
text line, I think I'm with you. I think was
it the Pepsi commercial? Did the Pepsi commercial make that
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pepsi look so first quenching?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Oh yeah, dude, poor the poor sound too. Oh it's
perfect a poor sound. Oh, it's perfect.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
And they know what they're doing when they put in
the poor sound. Because I'll do want to Coca Cola.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
And then Coke.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You've got the holiday one that they play every single
year that I always love Smoke was screaming at the
television last night when it came on the TV.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Though.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
What commercial was the Coke? Coke commercial?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
You know where they're driving through the town and it's
basically like Sandon is bringing coke?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh yeah, or what I got?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
You love it? I think it's great.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Smoke is screaming at the television about how AI is
ruining everything.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I'm like, okay, well, a lot of people, I'm sorry,
I can't get away from the juicy pickles conversation. Who's yours?
Daddy's daddy is telling me that it's vlastic and I
should not be putting three syllables on it in but yeah,
a lot of people velastic it's vlassic. Yeah, so people
are having uh oh are not happy with me with that?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Really?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
People are also writing in Taco Willie, it might be
Taco Bell commercials work on people with the lay.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, that's that's a good point everything, because no matter
what it is, everything looks appetizing in a in a
Taco Bell commercial. Now, the reality of the situation is
when you show up and get said item at the
Taco Bell, it does not come out looking exactly the same,
but no doubt you know it's it's still solid.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I did try the casadilla Peblano steak case idia from
Taco Bell and it was very good. I know they
have new item all the time, but I highly highly
advise everybody go to Taco Bell and get some of
those bites. All right, feel free to let us know
what commercials have worked on you. What do you think
are the most successful commercials to ever have been made?
(40:14):
And then we'll go to What's on Tap and then
come back and read some of those What's on Tap
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one in the NFC. Detroit host Dallas at eight point
fifteen on Prime Video Detroit seven and five Dallas is
(40:38):
six five and one monster game like appointment television. If
you care about the NFC playoff standings, here flounder, who
do you think wins this one?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I want Detroit to win so badly, but I think
it's Dallas. Man, I hate it, but I think the Cowboys,
you know, they found something.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
First of all, that attack is just insane.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I mean you've got Ceedee Lamb who's playing really well
now as well, alongside of George Pickens who's been playing
well all season long. Number one, that's a secondary for
Detroit that for a second straight years beat up. So
I think that Dallas will be able to outscore them
in this one, and that sucks because I think if
Detroit loses this game, I find it hard to see
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them making the playoffs. I think this is one where
both teams need this. Whoever wins it has a chance
to catch some of the teams in the wildcard standings,
and I think it's gonna be the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I think Detroit's gonna win this game. Oh yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I hope you're right.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I think I think the quick game is gonna work,
and I think the run game is going to work
against this Dallas Cowboys defense. And Philly is a little
misleading with the way that they held Philly in check
for the second half because Philly's not been good at
running the football at all this year. For those Saquon
Barkley fantasy football owners out there, you know, they've not
been good running yet nearly as much as they have
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been in years past, and so I think it's a
little misleading. We just know Philadelphia to be great on
the ground, not so much so Detroit. I think they
can run the football with a guy like Jamiir Gibbs,
and I think the quick game can help you with
some of that in interior pass rush from Quinn Williams,
and they do have a decent amount of pressures from
guys like Odiggi Zua and what you have in Quinn Williams.
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Now give me Detroit, Give me Detroit and plus as
soon as Dallas starts to play well and we talk
good about them, that's when they fall.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
So I hope you're right, man, give me the really do.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Give me the Detroit Lions. All right. A lot of
people understood the assignment. Let's read some of the text
messages on the best commercials, the most efficient, the most
successful seven oh four or five, seven oh ninety six ten,
multiple people writing in the Corona Christmas Lights commercial where
they have the Christmas lights on the palm tree, Oh outstanding.
I'm glad. I hope they never get rid of that one.
Every holiday season. I hope that they bring it back.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Ye. That's the thing, right, you have your comfort. You
have your comfort holiday things, your movies that you go to,
the things you do with your family, and the commercials
on the TV, and that one every year when it
says police Navidad, I literally am just in my house
going hell.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, uh yeah, I'm with you. We have other people
writing in Doctor Love says Burger King is always the
biggest let down. It never looks like the advertising.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
That's why. Look, I'm not a burger guy. I don't
eat a Burger King.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
The only thing that I have never and this my shock, people,
I have never gone through a drive through or been
inside and ordered at Burger King. I've had other people's
stuff from Burger King, okay where they said here, try this.
You've never taken the trip to Burger King, never and
won't do it. Won't do it because I just for me.
I'm not a burger guy. It's nothing against Burger King.
(43:48):
I'm just not a burger guy.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, that's fair. And I don't they used to have
some good chicken sandwich.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah yeah, I heard that, but I don't know. Man,
it's burger King, It's not Chicken King.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Wes is a big advocate for Burger King. Hurricane Mark says, guys,
I'm trying to live at my soda intake and you
guys are killing me. I apologize.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
I feel you on that one.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, is that that crack and then that sh that
poor uh dude, it makes me want a soda immediately.
The hardyse Thick Burger commercials, they're being referenced a lot
on here, and you guys are so right about that.
What they would do is they would zoom out like
this big grand reveal of the Thick Burger. Those things
looked phenomenal and Hardy's look, it's expensive, but those burgers
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did match up to the hype. Those burgers were fantastic.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I'll take your word for it. I've eaten there before
and I used to.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Now. One thing that I hate is that they used
to have the beer battered like onion rings.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah good, they don't have them anymore. I didn't know the.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
One near the house has the flaky ones. I'm like, no,
bring me back the beer battered.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Kareem not abdul Jabbar. The Hershey's kisses with the bells.
I don't know why the bells sabata that's that's that's
the right word. You nailed it. It is so sad spying.
And we will dismount with that great text from Kareem
not abdul Jabbar. That'll do it for wesn. Walker, thanks
for joining us. We will be back with you tomorrow
from twelve to three. Coming up next, it's The Kyle
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Sports Radio ninety two seven wfn Z. Time now to
shift from Carolina Panthers discourse to some college football championship
weekend stuff. Here with what we have with the conference
championships taking place, we have some games, not only on Friday,
but then we get to the big boy games, a
lot of the big boy games, at least with what
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we have on Saturday and here in Charlotte, we'll have
Duke take on Virginia. What's funny is yeah big boys?
Oh yeah, Manse, that's a big boy matchup if I've
ever seen one. Seven to five Duke versus Virginia, who
has a good record, And yet I'm not as scared,
I know. I apologize to the Cavs fans I do,
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but I can't tell you that. I look at this
matchup and think, oh man, this is one for the
record books with how great the ACC is represented by
both of these programs.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Oh I will tell you right now, I am definitely
dumping in pampers, as Wes would say, for this one.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I do not want Duke to win this game.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think that's known by people because I am a
tarial fan, but more for the sake of the conference.
They are looking for a reason to leave the ACC out,
and if Duke wins, I think for sure the ACC
is not going to the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I'm laughing at Smellykat saying it sounds like a giant
tickle fight. I hate it for you.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, it's But if Virginia wins, this is what I said,
and I put this in a rundown yesterday. If Virginia wins,
I still think they're a legitimate champion.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Like you can.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You can point that team to that team and say,
I believe they have a chance to at least fight
for a title. Duke to fight for a national championship.
At eight and five, No.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
No, Virginia, they passed the threshold for conference champion. That
deserves to be in a twelve team playoff. They passed
that threshold. Right, you have done enough this season to
be one of those programs, Duke, to me, has not.
And because of conference technicalities, and that all of your
losses that have not been good just so happened to
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come out of conference. You just have racked up a
lot more of those losses than your typical conference champion.
And so because of the technicality, that is what is
your conference record. This is all we go off for
you to get to the conference championship. And I'm not
saying it's wrong, this is just how we do things.
Because of that, now they have a shot to somehow
(03:15):
get to a top twelve spot. But even so, how
much of a percentage would you put on Duke getting
to a top twelve spot if they win the ACC championship?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I think at this point, well, remember it doesn't have
to be a top twelve spot, it just has to
be one of the top five conference champions.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Fair thing is fair.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
We have not seen Duke, and this is what we
brought up. And I wish they would have asked this
question to Hunter. Your check is how close was Duke
to being ranked? Because the American Conference champion is going
to be ranked. We know it's either North Texas or
it's two Lane. Both of those teams are ranked. That's
a conference that deserves to be in. Then you've got
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James Madison. James Madison's ranked twenty fifth. Duke is unranked.
So my question is to them, how close is Duke
to being ranked well?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And does it matter? I mean, if that if that's
already the case, because if you look at I need
to pull up the schedule again and the rankings, I
should say, excuse me. But that's the real question is
how much does it even really matter? Because if you
have James Madison and they are ranked twenty fifth, we'll
see exactly what happens with them tomorrow at seven o'clock
kick they play Troy. I guess a Troy victory isn't
(04:30):
all that impressive at them having four really, So, so
that's the one. The other and what was the other
team that you just mentioned Tulane, I guess is twentieth.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
One of those teams you're playing a ranked team, you
will be in. I guarantee you the American Conference champion
will be in.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And so it really it comes down to JMU. That's
what it comes out to.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yes, it comes down to JMU and can Duke find
a way to jump them? They are a five lost team.
I don't think that they will find a way to
jump them. I mean, coming into this game, you are
too games over five hundred, like you're one loss away
in the regular season for being a six and six
football team, and that's who's playing for your conference championship.
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So I find it hard to believe that Duke really
is that close. Like, this is what sucks. We don't
have the others receiving votes the AP pole. We have
the others receiving votes. We know who's thirtieth, Who's you know,
thirty fifth whatever, Duke, we have no idea what the
college football playoff rankings, so we have to see can
they close the gap on James Madison. If you are
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the ACC, you like Jim Phillips, you are praying that
Virginia wins this game for the sake of the conference.
Don't get into that conundrum because Spoiled Sportsman says, well,
if Duke wins, that opens the door for Miami to
get in.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Miami's path to get in is BYU losing and Alabama losing.
They need both of those things to happen, and then
the door opens for Miami. It has absolutely nothing to
do with who wins the ACC Championship.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, Spoiled Sportsman also says there is no way Duke
gets in, and that's certainly how it's.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Seems, and that's a disaster scenario for the ACC man
because Virginia wouldn't get in at that point. Virginia wouldn't
get in, and neither would Miami.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Well, the other thing that's working against Duke is even
if you wanted to say the ACC is good enough
and there's all this disrespect, and if Duke wins, even
as a five loss team, they should still find themselves
in the top twelve. The issue with that becomes they
have a head to head loss against the team in
the mix two in Tulane. So having lost to Tulane,
now one, you're not jumping tou Lane, but then you're
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supposed to jump James Madison. And I guess my question
is do we put Yukon in the same category as
a James Madison type team and you lost to them too?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Similar?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, I guess that's my point with Duke is even
if you wanted to say they're an ACC champion, they
deserve to be recognized by being in the College Football
Playoff because they beat Virginia, so Blue Devils, they deserve
a spot to have those two losses amidst the five
that they have in total, the one against Tulane, who
is already in the mix, and the one against Yukon,
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which to me is somewhat equivalent to JMU. Even if
they're not in a conference themselves, you have them in
Notre Dame as the Independence. But even so, I think
those two losses specifically would be enough to keep Duke out.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And they have three more to look at, right, and
there's just no shot who is the great Who is
the great win for Duke? Look at their schedule. You
tell me a win that is phenomenal for them. They
don't even have a ranked win. I can't give you
one on the road. It's Clemson on the road's probably
the best one. That's the best one. So that's what
you're hanging your hat on.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
James Madison doesn't have a big win either, But James
Madison's record is eleven and one. You know who their
losses to Louisville, that's it, and they played them close,
so really it's not even I think they're going to
favor James Madison, and me, as a person that would
vote on something like that, I would say James Madison
deserves to be in over an eight and five dupe team.
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That an eight and five team in the sport of
college football where you have twelve teams that go into
the playoff, does not deserve to play for a championship.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I'm sorry they don't.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
And Virginia is there's no worry about them right if
they go in.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I think I will be honest with you, depending on
who they draw. I don't think it's impossible to see
Virginia winning a game, and there's no way that they
would get murdered if they played in the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
And just to cover our bases here, there's no way
that you would have Virginia as a lower ranks team
than JMU. If Virginia gets the job done.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Virginia right now is ranked ahead of the American Conference champion.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
And JMU seventeenth.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Virginia wins, then what ends up happening is the American
Conference champ goes in. Jmu's out is not one of
the top five conference champs. James Madison misses out on
the College Football Playoff this year. Now here's the other
angle to this that we didn't talk about what happens
and I don't know what the case is there. Because
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it's James Madison, they're not going to report on it
as heavily as they do Ole Miss.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
What happens if.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Bob Chesney says, hey, I got to go to UCLA,
I got to put together my recruiting class, I'm not
coaching you guys in the playoff. Then an eleven to
one James Madison team without a head coach, or an
eight and five Duke team.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Then it gets a little closer.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Then you're starting to have that to be I would
still probably lean James Madison.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I would too, but and then then the committee would
have to figure out what they're gonna do with ole
Miss and JMU for undergoing a very similar situation with
their coaches being out. And not to say that you're
not gonna have ole Miss in, it's just where do
you see them?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So if you have and I think they should be
penalized for not having Lane, I think Pete Golden is
going to be a solid higher for them, but I
don't think he's Lane Kiffen.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But but what's going to be interesting is if they
don't want James Madison in and they use Bob Chesney
leaving as a reason to not have them in in
the scenario we speak of, But then they also use
Lane Kiffin being gone as a reason to seed Ole
miss uh or I should say they use Ole Miss
and they put them at the higher seed because of
the sec bias. Excuse me if they have if they
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speak out of both sides of them, out of their
mouth on that front, that will be interesting. And it
just continues to go to show you that the Committee
tries to move the goalpost as much as possible and
often succeeds doing so.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Oh yeah, that's the thing the Committee when it comes
to how they put certain teams in, they move the
criteria around all over them. There's so many different criteria
that go into it. Because for one thing, like Notre
Dame in Miami, well, we're going to focus on the
best team, Okay, Well then then when you go to
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JM you and Duke, well, we're gonna focus on who
the most deserving team is. That's where I think it's
a little confusing for college football fans, and I get
that anger, but I mean, yeah, man, it's just my
personal opinion. I don't think a five loss team should
be playing in the College Football Playoff, But I can
understand if you look at what they do, because you
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can say whatever you want, you can make the joke.
Salty Pirate will probably jump in here and be like, oh,
it really isn't better than the sun Veil or whatever,
but it is.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
The ACC is a different level of football.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So if they were to put them in, I would
understand why, but I would not be happy with it
because I just don't. And that's the thing. People need
to feel the difference here. It's not because it's Duke.
I don't care who it was that was in there.
I don't care if Miami was the five loss team,
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you're not putting them in. Nobody's going in five losses.
In my mind, Oh yeah, it's not the bias, No,
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, that doesn't seem to be a biased take to
say that a five loss team should not be a
top twelve. And by the.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Way, you want to see why you don't expand this
to sixteen teams. I get it, it would be at
large teams that would be getting in twelve. Is perfectly
fine because you're going to be putting a team in
there that I mean, are they really going to compete
whoever that twelve seed is, if it's James Madison or
if it's Duke. Do you do you really feel like
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either one of those teams are going to compete? Probably
not the American Conference champion. If Virginia wins, Yes, I
believe North Texas or Tulane could could give a five
seed trouble.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah. And what's interesting about Duke too. Just last thing
is because of Darien Mensa, Like I know that they
have five losses. I'm totally I totally agree with everything
that you said. You and I both agree they should
not be in the College Football Playoff if they do
pull off the upset against Virginia. I will say, I
do think that Duke has a quarterback that is good
enough to potentially be the kind of guy that pulls
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off of an upset. I don't think the team around
him is good enough. But quarterback is the sexiest player
on any football team. Yes, a good one is fun
to watch and they have the best quarterback on the.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I would say they have the best quarterback and close
because I the thing about Chandler Morris is I don't
want to downplay the season he's had. He's had a
really good season and he was beat up in the
middle of the year and still found a way to
fight through it. So I think Chandler is closer to
Darien Mensa than maybe some of the other possible battles
that could have happened in this ACC championship. But I'd
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still I would go with Darien Mensa is probably the
better quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So could he put up enough points? Whoever? They would play,
but you would be playing a crazy see. I mean
you'd be playing I guess Ohio State or Indiana would
the Well, what would the champion play here? I'm trying
to bring up the bracket. So if it was I
guess the fifth rated seed, if you're talking about Duke,
which it wouldn't, it wouldn't happen. I don't look, to
be honest with you, it doesn't matter what this feels
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like a moot point because dude's just not getting in it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I don't think they are because again, unless they are
twenty sixth on the committee's list, and they are right there.
They are one spot behind JMU and they were the
next team they were going to put in. There is
no way they can do anything. I don't think of
Virginia win is gonna be enough to get him in.
So and I don't think, again, five losses, you should
not be playing for a national title. And I don't
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care if it was Carolina. Like some dumbass on the
text line texted in and said, oh, well, if it
was Carolina, you'd be stumping for him to get in.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You're wrong, I would be stumming for them to not
be in.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I agree with you. I think people need to understand,
and I get it. I don't know anybody that loves
North Carolina more than Fiddie and Floundy. I will say,
there is no way that I would believe that you
would be advocating for Carolina. You would be saying that
isn't there. I agree with that. I agree with that,
all right. We have a couple more segments to go on. WESN.
Walker Sports Radio ninety two seven WFNZ. WESN Walker Sports
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Radio ninety two seven WFNZ. It's not quite a show
until Flounder starts going back and forth with Duke slash
NC State fans on the fangul text line.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
These people, these people are hurt, Walker, these people are hurt.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Because they said and Martin Martin brought up a fair point.
He said, if Carolina now he said the tar holes
because you know, a classic, but he said, if Carolina
was in, you would not complain. Of course I wouldn't.
If they were in, I would not apologize. And I
don't expect Duke fans to apologize. They make the field,
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so you don't know us nothing. You can just say, hey,
we're in, man, we're playing for a championship. But personally,
if my team was seven and five, I would tell
you I don't believe my team deserves to be in,
but yes, if they won, I wouldn't be like, man,
I'm really sorry guys that my team made a champion, right, I'd.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Be like, let's go. Are they gonna win? Probably not,
but let's do it.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Coach. So I touched the basketball. It was out of
bounds on me.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I just wanted to be honest. Okay, go tell the
ref you're a good man. Joe you're a good man.
That's what you wouldn't you would the.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Most the most hated teammate ever.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, that's a fictional guy on television that says coach
I touched the ball.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Hey man, human error. It's a thing. Don't say anything,
even if it is off of you. I do not
preach that kind of sportsmanship. All right, Speaking of sportsmanship,
I did want to ask people this because we had
this conversation in the side studio. College Basketball ACC SEC Challenge.
SEC ends up winning nine to seven when it looked
like the ACC could win themselves nine to seven, or
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they can at least tie this thing up. All we
needed was Louisville to take care of business. They couldn't
do it. All we needed was NC State to get
a win. They couldn't do it. Boston College to hold
on when they got to overtime, they couldn't do it.
So so many chances, so many opportunities to win this challenge,
and they come up short on the second night of
the two day event. Okay, how much are you pulling
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for your rival within the conference for the good of
the conference, within the ACC SCC Challenge seven oh four five,
seven oh ninety six ten. For instance, North can't do it. Man,
I'm just asking North Carolina fans, were you pulling for
Duke in that close game against Florida? By any chance?
Were you pulling for NC See? This is the thing.
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I can't find any way that the die hard fans
would be pulling for these teams. I do want to
know if if people have changed as they've gotten older
and or changed at all for any like in the
era of college sports that we're in right now, with
the way that the SCC is challenging for basketball dominance.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, you know what, let's ask the og on the show.
Would you root for other ACC teams that arrivals to
have success?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
No? Hell no?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Okay, So that's yeah, we got the answer.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So and I understand I wanted to ask this in
a different way because I know so many people would
say I'd pull for Satan before I would shoot pull
for the arrival, and that's how it should be. I
guess I want to know if there's any backtracking at
all on the way that college sports the construct of
it right now, Like the way we talked about it
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in the side studio was you're not going to pull
for NC State or Duke to win their games. In fact,
you would hate it if they won, right cool, I
get that, But we would be praising the ACC if
they won the ACC SEC challenge because of what happened
in those NC State Duke games. Yep, So I actually
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one fully understand the cognitive dissonance that that brings. Oh yeah,
I guess we know we had to rely on Duke
in NC State winning, But I'm not going to commend
them for winning, even if I do appreciate that they
want said the ACC one. I want to know how
much of that has changed as the SEC challenges the
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ACC for basketball dominance in a way that they never
used to do. Right, Like conference pride? Do you think
conference pride is bigger within the last three years around
here than it used to be with conference realignment and
the disrespect that the ACC has been shown? Like do
you find a little more pride that you have for
this conference flounder or is it the same as it
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ever was for you?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I mean, I do think there's a little more pride
to it. I do think you're getting to that point
now where you really have to think to yourself because
of how much you see guys like Joe len already
knock down the conference because it's hurt hurting your standing too,
it's turning your seating, it's hurting your ability to get
into the NCAA tournament if you're a team on the
NCAA bubble.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
So from that.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Perspective, I think there is a such thing as conference pride.
Now do I think it's like SEC football, where I
mean you've got teams literally pulling for rivals because it
just means more.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
No, no, no, I don't think it's that serious.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
But I'm gonna tell you right now, if stated one,
if Duke had won, I don't think I will. I
would have came in here and if they won, If
the ACC won the challenge, I would tell you right out, hey, man,
I'm proud of my conference.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Now I wouldn't. I wouldn't say I'm proud of those wins.
But at the same time, you know, it's one of
it's it's it's the tip of the cap, it's the
you know, the the uh I forget uh. It was
one of the guys that recently passed away, one of
the actors where he's got the beard.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
In the long hair.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
He looks kind of like Zach galifan Akis, and he
goes like this, He just looks over and goes gives
a slight nod to you. Oh yeah, I don't know
what you're talking about. That would be what I would do. Yeah,
thank you, yeah ya. But I still hate you.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
For sure, and I know that the hate's not going anywhere.
I get the double standard that comes with this, and
I appreciate it. And I don't even mean that lightly.
I don't mean that sarcastically. I appreciate the double standard
that comes with pulling for the conference, even without pulling
for two specific teams in the conference. And if you're
a state fan not pulling for North Carolina, it probably
is a little bit different for Duke for NC State fans.
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In fact, it absolutely is different for NC State fans
when it comes to Duke. But I did want to know,
like how much of a pulse do I have on
that kind of fandom that I knew so much to
be true in the two thousands, because this is what
I wonder, like how much fandom has evolved around here,
specifically in the nineties, right, and other people can speak
to the nineties a little bit better than I can.
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But in the nineties, you started to see this hardcore
rivalry you have it with Duke in North Carolina. It's
anybody but Carolina for State and Duke fans, it's anybody
but Duke, anybody but NC State for North Carolina fans.
That still is true to this day for the most part,
except now we're in a world where the ACC is
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not looked upon with all of this reverence with its
basketball and the ACC they decided that they wanted that back,
and so North Carolina'd get serious about their basketball again.
NC State doing the same thing. We love the Final
four run. I would like to have that a little
more frequently rather than every thirty years, every fifty years.
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So with the ACC respect, do you have more respect
for the conference now because of all the disrespect that
has been shed onto this conference by the outside, Yes.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
One hundred percent. That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Man, if they were if the disrespect was not coming
towards the conference, I don't think that you would really
be feeling any sort of conference pride. I think, honestly,
you'd be like I was for the longest time. I
don't give a damn about the rest of this conference.
I'm worried about myself. But it's evolved over the last
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few years. And when you're a team that's on the
bubble like Carolina was last year, you start to realize that, hey,
you know, we're not the ACC.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Ain't getting a lot of representation here.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Man.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Every time you watch the TV, Joe when already is
talking down about the ACC, about how it's a terrible
basketball conference, how there's no way that any of these
teams should deserve to make the tournament.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Last year, this is a three bit league.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It's like, come on, and even Louisville was misseeated so drastically.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, and that's the thing. Louisville ends up getting misseated.
But those people are telling you, oh, no, that's fine, No,
that's exactly where they deserve to be because they didn't
play nobody. So that's where I think you start to
get to that point where they have they have basically
instilled conference pride into you because you hear the disrespect
with that. I mean, it's not as much with the
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College football Playoff show. I don't think, because I gotta
be honest, when it comes to ACC football, I just
think ACC football is pretty well well because.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It's fall into traditional views there right. Like to me,
it also getting serious once the SEC tried to take
round ball over. That was the issue that it means
more in football. Okay, we had our moments. We have
the moments when we're going to ACC kickoff and we
rise up the escalators and we see the Heisman trophy
Lamar Jackson brings home, and we see the championship trophy
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Clemson brings home. This is our time, had.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Our time.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
We've had our times before in the ACC. But typically
I think people in ACC country understand n SEC football
is better historically. Yes, it is, just like ACC basketball
is better historically. You guys can still have the football.
We get it. We'll have our moment in the sun,
but for the most part that's going to be y'all's thing.
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You guys are trying to take this basketball thing over
permanently from us, and we can't have that. So now,
if we really want to stand and fight for it,
how much are you willing to fight for the conference
pride and that I'm now rooting for Duke in NC State,
I am now rooting for those we don't speak of.
I'm rooting for Valdemort. Does that happen to people as
we get older, and the ACC gets more and more disrespected,
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That's my question. And I do feel like you're starting
to see a tiny bit of that because the basketball pride,
it is real around here out on the eastern part
of the state. Even in Charlotte, we've had a lot
of pride towards the Charlotte Hornets. My classic phrase, if
you build it, they will come. You give the Hornets
fans something to cheer for. People still care about basketball
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within state lines football those culture. Basketball is still a sport.
Basketball is never going to catch up to football. But
we still care about basketball more than lots of other
states out there, within lots of other states. Indiana's the one. Like,
We've got a couple of states that would lay claim
to that, but North Carolina would be one of those.
And I do wonder if all right, enough of this.
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Y'all stay down there in Florida, y'all stay down there
in Georgia. Okay, Alabama, y'all don't know nothing about no basketball. Man,
Come on, y'all got Latrell spree Well and Averie Johnson.
That's it right. None of this Mark Sears Bs and
none of this NATO's trying to reinvent the game. No, man,
you'll stay down there, y'all, stay out of the Carolina
state lines. That's what I wonder if people are starting
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to feel more and more like that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, I think there certainly are. I mean, that's the thing.
This is what this conference did really well. This is
especially in this area. Like if you go down man
Miami Radio, even with Miami being on the precipice of
going into the college football playoffs, are they arguing the
case for Miami on Miami Radio or are they arguing
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the case for the ACC. They don't care one lick
about the ACC. But I think here, because you've got
so many teams locally, you've got so many fan bases
that are here. For some reason, this brings out the
conference pride. This brings the most backlash that you have
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to the SEC being treated the way that it's being treated.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
So mean, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Man.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I'm not where Collin's at.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I'm not yet at his point, but I do believe
that there are some salient points that people bring up
when they say, hey, ACC really is being disrespected here
and it's it's not right.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Well, the thing to me that really turned it on
its head from me. I could dismiss Joe Lunardi a
couple of years ago when NC State made the Final
four and they had to beat Duke in order to
get there. So now you're talking about two ACC teams
in the Elite eight, I could dismiss it as BS
and there was nothing they could lay claim to as
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being right. Last year, I couldn't do it all that much.
That was the issue. Yeah, Like when I felt like
I didn't have a case for a year and it
felt like the other side was right. That hurt my pride.
Two wins, I can't go to the ACC SEC Challenge.
Two wins, an SEC team wins the championship. ACC teams
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North Carolina gets beat by an SEC team in the
first round. Like last year was the come to Jesus
moment for the ACC, and teams acted accordingly. North Carolina
they decided, all right, we need to spend a lot
of money. Enough messing around and C State same thing.
I keep going back to it. Duke had already been there,
but all these teams started to act like even Virginia,
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Tony Bennett retires the way that he does, but they
go make a serious higher in Ryan Odam like all right,
we got to go get back to our basketball ways
that we showcased in the too that late twenty tens,
mid to late twenty tens. We need to get back
to that. That was the come to Jesus moment and
I do want that. It's why I wanted to immediately
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win this challenge and get things started right out of
the gate. And they almost got there. It's clearly not
what it was last year. All right, it was almost tied.
It should have been in Louisville. Might make up for
it in the NCAA tournament. That might happen. But I
think that points to why I wanted to win this
so badly, because I wanted to take over what was
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rightfull the hours, and it has been hours for years
and years and years and since the dawn of time,
and with the SEC infiltrating this area, I don't like it. Flounder.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
No, I didn't like it either.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
And that's the thing I think moving forward, this is
this is the conversation that you got to have, is
that it's a year to year thing with all of
these leagues, and you're going to see it. I think
with the SEC this year, there are not going to
be nearly as many teams that make it in. And
am I saying that the ACC should have as many
teams as the SEC make it. I'm not saying that,
but the numbers should be a hell of a lot
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closer than it was last year. Like there were I
forget how many teams made it from the SEC. It
was like twelve or thirteen, crazy something like that. That
number should be down this year. What we saw in
this challenge, I think that it showed you there are
a decent amount of teams in the SEC that don't
deserve to be in the tournament, and there are a
decent amount of teams in the ACC that coming into
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the year you might not have thought would fight to
get into the tournament that should be in. One team
that I saw and I told you this yesterday, and
they're gonna be there. They're gonna be on the bubble
and they're gonna be a factor is Miami. I love
what Jie Lucas is doing down there. I think that
you know, them bringing him in early is going to
pay dividends for them, And I think that's gonna be
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one of those teams. We're talking about Virginia, about State,
those teams that are on the precipice put Miami in
that conversation too as the year goes along, because I
think they're going to be right on the bubble of
getting in. And to me, they just beat the breaks
off of an SEC team, just destroyed Ole Miss. So
(30:38):
if it comes down to that and Ole Miss is
one of those teams on the bubble, then Miami should
clearly be in.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
That's how I look at it.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
We'll get and now to put a bow on it,
I just wanted a case to go off of, and
I didn't feel like I had one last year. Right now,
even with losing the Challenge, which again I probably am
putting too much importance in, but with the way that
it represents something even if you didn't win the challenge,
now we can say, hey, North Carolina, our blue blood
(31:06):
went against your blue blood and we won what we
had with Duke. They went against your national champion last
year and Duke won. Virginia is back. I don't know
how back, but they're somewhat back. Now we can point
to some stuff and even if Louisville loses, they're still
going to have an impressive resume. They're going to be
fantastic this season. Yes, so even if they have this loss,
(31:30):
we still know that they're going to make up for it.
So this year we're going to have a case in
a way that I felt naked not having won last year.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
And it's been it's been a few years really, you.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Know, and it had been trending that way at NC State.
Making the final four really was something that we could
point to and say, see, hey, this was it helped
us out.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
And that's the other case, right, is that the reason
to put ACC teams in is because when you put
them in the field, they seem to make runs.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Now, last year, except for last year, last year showed you,
except for last.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Year, that was the right decision to leave a lot
of those teams out. And even so, you know, somebody
was saying on the text line, well, you know, Louisville,
you guys thought they were mis seated. They got beaten
the first round. So what they got a tougher matchup
in the first round than they would have had if
they were a sixth seed. But if they were a
sixth seed, they might win that first round matchup.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
They were mis seeded.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
And again here I am just beating a dead horse.
But what I will say, is it goes to the
point I couldn't go to and there was no safety,
there was nothing. Louisville lost in the first round and
they got beat by double digits. They weren't. It didn't
if I remember correctly, They weren't really ever in that game.
Once we got to the second half against Creighton, No
(32:43):
not really. Yeah, North Carolina losing to Ole Miss and
they had to come back to make that close. They
were down twenty.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
To be fair, that was how Carolina played every game,
any game against the legitimate opponents. They said, let me
get down twenty and then we'll turn it on.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, and then we you get to
Douke who It's just that that would have been the
thing that we could go to as well, right, like, hey,
do the best team in the country at least we're
real real top heavy, and that we have won and
they lose to Houston. They don't get to the final
despite having one of the best teams I personally have
ever seen, one of the best, most well put together
(33:18):
teams I've ever seen. And with that, we'll move on
because I don't want to make smoke depressed. Having thought
about last year's Duke team as the national champion without
actually being the national champion. It's Western Walker unless you
want to talk. I figured he did feel free. It's
Western Walker. Sports Radio ninety two seven WFNZ. The walk
off is coming up next.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
The challenge for me to a walk off.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Oh yeah, that's a walkoff challenge, my friend, it's a
walk off. It's a walk off. West and Walker Sports
Radio ninety two seven w f Z. Appreciate everybody joining us. Man,
we have fun off the air, you know, no, we do. Indeed,
(34:10):
I hate Wes does it all the time. And I've
talked to not like off air or whatever. I've talked
to him on air about it. But it feels like
people are left out of the inside shows we bring.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Here's the thing I'm not gonna Wes will will get
like right to the point and then just leave the
most important part out. That's right, which I'm just telling you.
I just said.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
We have fun. That's that's all.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
We're joking around, having fun. This is a great environment
to work in.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Here's a fun conversation that Richie brings up on the
fandual text line. We have not talked about food in
a while. Okay, we need to reach our food.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
How have we not this week?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I'm not sure how Richie said, don't know where I
go for better food takes than the WFNZ text lines.
Who's gonna try this one on for size? Who has
tried the McDonald's Grinch fries? And are they fire or
are they fizzle? I have not, but I am saying
to try them. I'm willing to try them though. What
say you?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah, I'd give them a shot? Why not?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
What?
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Rishie? What is the difference?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Is there something that is so different that I have
to try them? Because if they're just the regular fries, well,
I mean, yeah, I'll try them, but it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
The same thing.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Oh okay, McDonald's Grinch fries accord, Yeah, they are dill
pickle macshaker fries. Offered as a part of a limited
time holiday promotion. Customers receive a bag of fries and
a packet of Grinch salt seasoning to add to the
bag and shake for a tangy dill pickle flavor. Are
you a pickle? Oh? I would definitely try this. Okay,
(35:37):
So you're a oh, I don't know if we knew
that you're big pickles?
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Love dill, pickles, love del pit.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Like the people that say that a Chick fil a
sandwich shouldn't have pickles on it, I question them.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
You questioned me, that's me. I stay ten toes down
on this. Come on, I stand right here before you
said a sandwich.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
It's not shocking because when we did the pickle juice shots,
you were disgusted.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
You couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
To me, I wasn't gonna shit down and sip the
whole barrel of them. But I could have had a
few of them and I would have been perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
The pickles are one of those foods that I have
grown to like more and more. Except what I like
is a big, thick, juicy pickle. I don't like the
pickle slices. Excuse me, Yeah, that's right. I know you're
gonna play it. That's fair. The whole wow, the whole
pickle conversation is saturated in the phrasing sound bite. But
I am here to tell you that the only pickle
(36:31):
I like is the big, thick, juicy one. Okay, I'm
telling you that right now. Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm with you.
The slice pickles I don't like, but because of that crunch.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
So you're saying, you're saying the sliced like like that's
on a Chick fil a sandwich. Yeah, what if you
go and get a deli pickle where it is it's cut.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
It's close. Okay, it's close to me. You know what commercial?
You know how some commercials work the best? Actually you
want to know, not best commercials in terms of comedy,
but what commercials worked the best for you? You know,
like what commercial did you see and say, oh my god,
that looks fantastic. I want one because of the way
that this commercial makes this.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Food and commercial to hit home for me right.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Like to me, the velastic commercial comes to mind. Okay,
that big crunch that those kids would take out of
that giant pickle. That's what looked good to me. The
velastic commercial with a what was it a little pelican
or something like that, a stork with the velastic pickle.
I forget what it is, but that commercial worked on me,
even if I didn't like it. That's what looked good
(37:37):
to me. Seven oh four, five, seven oh ninety six,
ten lots of laughing crying emojis or here on the
FanDuel tape. Come on, man, you know that was gonna happen. Yeah,
panther cliff soundcut. I know it's coming, baby, I know
it is going to be there. Into the sound that one.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That one, as we say, when when one is that good,
it has legs, it surely does.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
That could go that could go a long way.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Uh, somebody said an American Eagle Genes commercial. If you know,
you know, I do know what commercials, what commercials worked
the best on you? Seven oh four five, seven oh
ninety six ten, Please let us know. On the fandal
text line, I think I'm with you. I think was
it the Pepsi commercial? Did the Pepsi commercial make that
(38:22):
pepsi look so first quenching?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Oh yeah, dude, poor the poor sound too. Oh it's
perfect a poor sound. Oh, it's perfect.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
And they know what they're doing when they put in
the poor sound. Because I'll do want to Coca Cola.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
And then Coke.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You've got the holiday one that they play every single
year that I always love Smoke was screaming at the
television last night when it came on the TV.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Though.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
What commercial was the Coke? Coke commercial?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
You know where they're driving through the town and it's
basically like Sandon is bringing coke?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh yeah, or what I got?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
You love it? I think it's great.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Smoke is screaming at the television about how AI is
ruining everything.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
I'm like, okay, well, a lot of people, I'm sorry,
I can't get away from the juicy pickles conversation. Who's yours?
Daddy's daddy is telling me that it's vlastic and I
should not be putting three syllables on it in but yeah,
a lot of people velastic it's vlassic. Yeah, so people
are having uh oh are not happy with me with that?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Really?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
People are also writing in Taco Willie, it might be
Taco Bell commercials work on people with the lay.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, that's that's a good point everything, because no matter
what it is, everything looks appetizing in a in a
Taco Bell commercial. Now, the reality of the situation is
when you show up and get said item at the
Taco Bell, it does not come out looking exactly the same,
but no doubt you know it's it's still solid.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I did try the casadilla Peblano steak case idia from
Taco Bell and it was very good. I know they
have new item all the time, but I highly highly
advise everybody go to Taco Bell and get some of
those bites. All right, feel free to let us know
what commercials have worked on you. What do you think
are the most successful commercials to ever have been made?
(40:14):
And then we'll go to What's on Tap and then
come back and read some of those What's on Tap
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nine degree Draft Beers. Thursday Night Football. It's a big
one in the NFC. Detroit host Dallas at eight point
fifteen on Prime Video Detroit seven and five Dallas is
(40:38):
six five and one monster game like appointment television. If
you care about the NFC playoff standings, here flounder, who
do you think wins this one?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I want Detroit to win so badly, but I think
it's Dallas. Man, I hate it, but I think the Cowboys,
you know, they found something.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
First of all, that attack is just insane.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
I mean you've got Ceedee Lamb who's playing really well
now as well, alongside of George Pickens who's been playing
well all season long. Number one, that's a secondary for
Detroit that for a second straight years beat up. So
I think that Dallas will be able to outscore them
in this one, and that sucks because I think if
Detroit loses this game, I find it hard to see
(41:25):
them making the playoffs. I think this is one where
both teams need this. Whoever wins it has a chance
to catch some of the teams in the wildcard standings,
and I think it's gonna be the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I think Detroit's gonna win this game. Oh yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I hope you're right.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I think I think the quick game is gonna work,
and I think the run game is going to work
against this Dallas Cowboys defense. And Philly is a little
misleading with the way that they held Philly in check
for the second half because Philly's not been good at
running the football at all this year. For those Saquon
Barkley fantasy football owners out there, you know, they've not
been good running yet nearly as much as they have
(42:02):
been in years past, and so I think it's a
little misleading. We just know Philadelphia to be great on
the ground, not so much so Detroit. I think they
can run the football with a guy like Jamiir Gibbs,
and I think the quick game can help you with
some of that in interior pass rush from Quinn Williams,
and they do have a decent amount of pressures from
guys like Odiggi Zua and what you have in Quinn Williams.
(42:23):
Now give me Detroit, Give me Detroit and plus as
soon as Dallas starts to play well and we talk
good about them, that's when they fall.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
So I hope you're right, man, give me the really do.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Give me the Detroit Lions. All right. A lot of
people understood the assignment. Let's read some of the text
messages on the best commercials, the most efficient, the most
successful seven oh four or five, seven oh ninety six ten,
multiple people writing in the Corona Christmas Lights commercial where
they have the Christmas lights on the palm tree, Oh outstanding.
I'm glad. I hope they never get rid of that one.
Every holiday season. I hope that they bring it back.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Ye. That's the thing, right, you have your comfort. You
have your comfort holiday things, your movies that you go to,
the things you do with your family, and the commercials
on the TV, and that one every year when it
says police Navidad, I literally am just in my house
going hell.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, uh yeah, I'm with you. We have other people
writing in Doctor Love says Burger King is always the
biggest let down. It never looks like the advertising.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
That's why. Look, I'm not a burger guy. I don't
eat a Burger King.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
The only thing that I have never and this my shock, people,
I have never gone through a drive through or been
inside and ordered at Burger King. I've had other people's
stuff from Burger King, okay where they said here, try this.
You've never taken the trip to Burger King, never and
won't do it. Won't do it because I just for me.
I'm not a burger guy. It's nothing against Burger King.
(43:48):
I'm just not a burger guy.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah, that's fair. And I don't they used to have
some good chicken sandwich.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah yeah, I heard that, but I don't know. Man,
it's burger King, It's not Chicken King.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Wes is a big advocate for Burger King. Hurricane Mark says, guys,
I'm trying to live at my soda intake and you
guys are killing me. I apologize.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
I feel you on that one.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, is that that crack and then that sh that
poor uh dude, it makes me want a soda immediately.
The hardyse Thick Burger commercials, they're being referenced a lot
on here, and you guys are so right about that.
What they would do is they would zoom out like
this big grand reveal of the Thick Burger. Those things
looked phenomenal and Hardy's look, it's expensive, but those burgers
(44:27):
did match up to the hype. Those burgers were fantastic.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I'll take your word for it. I've eaten there before
and I used to.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Now. One thing that I hate is that they used
to have the beer battered like onion rings.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah good, they don't have them anymore. I didn't know the.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
One near the house has the flaky ones. I'm like, no,
bring me back the beer battered.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Kareem not abdul Jabbar. The Hershey's kisses with the bells.
I don't know why the bells sabata that's that's that's
the right word. You nailed it. It is so sad spying.
And we will dismount with that great text from Kareem
not abdul Jabbar. That'll do it for wesn. Walker, thanks
for joining us. We will be back with you tomorrow
from twelve to three. Coming up next, it's The Kyle
(45:11):
Bailey Show alongside Smoke Ludwig. Listen to The Wes and
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