October 22, 2025 • 21 mins
Wes gives you his ACC Power Rankings and ACC Quarterback Rankings for this week.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, let's get going, folks.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
You know how we'd like to do it here, So
we're gonna start you off with that four pack, starting
from the bottom. Number seventeen the Boston College Eagles. This
is a program in disarray right now. They got smashed
by Yukon. Checking out that game. They were giving up
big play after big play after big play.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I don't know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm seeing articles online talking about how this is a
dead program and they do not know what they are
going to do moving forward. At number sixteen, they're North
Carolina tar Hills, a feisty bunch.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
They were at Cal.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
They weren't able to secure the victory, but it's their
best showing of the season in my opinion, against the
power for a team thus far. Then the Florida State
Seminoles oh and four and acc play. They go to
Stanford and they just get a physical beating from the
Cardinal and this Florida State program is in complete disarray, reeling,
whatever way you want to say it. And then the
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Virginia Tech Hokies who had a flash for a moment
and then it absolutely went away. So seventeen Boston College
sixteen UNC fifteen Florida State and number fourteen Virginia Tech.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, that new coach bump didn't last very long for
Virginia Tech after their win over NC State, which also
doesn't look amazing anymore as NC State starts to fall.
Have no issue with Boston College being dead last. If
you would have had North Carolina did last, I would
have understood it. But I think based off of the
game that took place for both of these programs over
the weekend, North Carolina, I do think they probably did
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have their.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Best show in the show some signs of life.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Go Lopez didn't look completely incompetent. Still, they're the sixteenth
best team in the ACC. Albeit it's probably the best
showing that they'll have all year long. I just can't
see them passing FSU. All right, Well, FSU has a
win against Alabama. I mean, you could argue that there
is nothing that North Carolina could do the rest of
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the year that would have them above a team that
beats Aliba, but they deserve to be OVERBC.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
All right.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So after that at number thirteen, clocking in, the Clemson
Tigers just absolutely disappointing across the board. Christopher Vezeno will
see if he will start their next game or if
kid Klubnik will return. But regardless of the fact, this
is easily the most disappointing team of the year. Number
twelve Syracuse, the hits just keep on coming. Ricky Collins
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and the crew, they just can't get the job done.
They were beat down by pitt at home in the Dome.
Number eleven to Stanford Cardinal. Though they are fighting, Frank
Right and the crew. They've got those guys believing. And
when you have a team smart like Stanford, just good
character guys, it's gonna be hard to kill a team
like that, even though sometimes they hurt themselves with penalties
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and mistakes, but they play as hard as anybody. And
then NC stated at number ten they had the week
off and the last time we saw them, they got
absolutely beat down by the fighting hours. They were not
even able to get in the red zone against noted
in the second.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Half was brutal.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
My prediction looked okay, ten to seven, and then the
second half happened, and then the prediction looked absolutely terrible.
NC State being ten, it's not an issue I would
have Clemson over Syracuse.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Okay, Syracuse, Yeah, but Syracuse beat him. No, they beat
him down head to head. Very different Syracuse team.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, Syracuse would not win an eleven or number twelve
on this list if Angeli was still playing. I wonder
how far up the standings eight beat that's a good question.
I would have Clemson above Syracuse. But again, it's not
anything that is crazy egregious in my opinion, because Clemson
has not been a great football team outside of their
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wins against bad football teams. That would be the only
change though I have in that grouping all right. At
number nine, the cow Golden Beers.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
They're five and two to one game away from Bowl eligibility.
Number eight the Duke Blue Devils. Hated the way that
went down against Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech didn't earn the victory,
but I felt like Duke made so many mistakes that
could have turned the tide in that game. At number
TiO seven, Wake Forest Demon Deakins got SMU coming into town.
Twenty consecutive conference wins for SMU.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But Wake Forest man, they're getting a job done.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
They're running the football well, pretty decent defense as well,
number one pass efficiency defense in the ACC. Are the
wake Forest Demon Deacons. And at number six, the pit Panthers.
I like this team a lot. They, as I said,
went into Syracuse and beat them down. Raheem Bows one
of the best linebackers in the country out right now
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for them, So they've been having to overcome some injuries
and some quarterback play as well. But I've got the
pit Panthers at number six. Who's number nine, and who's
number eight? Number nine was cal Number eight was Duke seven,
wake Forest Pitt was number six.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Who Duke fell? Huh yeah, explain that one, well.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I mean, you know, you get hammered by Georgia Tech,
and you were favored in this game, but it was
just the way in which that they played. Man, some
of those turnovers and issues that they had after going
two consecutive games without turning the ball over came back
to get them. You are botting, you know, field goals, handling,
the holding you boughtsta, you fumble on the goal line
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to which Georgia Tech runs it.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Back ninety five yards.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I mean, they just made so many critical mistakes in
that game that hurt them.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I think it's probably a little harsh to have Duke
fall behind Pitt and wake Forest for losing by nine
points to an undefeated football team. I do think if
I had to pick head to head, it would be
a good argument. I would pick them to beat Wake Forest.
I would pick Duke. Pick Duke to beat Pittsburgh. Ohough,
that one, I'm not nearly as comfortable with. That One's
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a close one in my opinion. But you are right
in the fact that Duke, they kept making mistake after
mistake after mistake. So this goes back to the problems
we have with Duke at the beginning of the season. Right,
it's is this a one off? Is this actually a
really good football team hiding right in front of her
very eyes that just continues to make these terrible decisions?
Or is this a thing you do and if you
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do it again like they did to Georgia Tech, and
you have these terrible turnovers in the zone, Well, okay,
I can understand it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I think it's too far.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But also, Duke's not helping themselves in any stretch of
the imagination because of what they do in the red zone.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, I dropped them three spots. They were five last
go round. All right, I'm gonna give you two this time.
SMU at five and they are climbing They're three and
zero in the conference. They haven't lost the conference game
since they've been in the ACC. They've got twenty overall
since they were in the American Conference. And then at
number four, Virginia, Virginia, they barely beat Washington State. They
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did get the win, but it was definitely a struggle
for them. So I've got SMU five in Virginia four. Okay,
this top three is gonna be interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
We should get to the top three because is gonna
have an issue with a number four on this list.
They might take it out on us.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, they just went all right number three, and definitely
I know as soon as I turned this in, I said, boy,
my mentions and all that gonna be on fire. But
I've got the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets at number three
in the poll right now. Then I've got Louisville at
number two, and the Miami Hurricanes remain at number one.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
So yeah, we can do some talking right here. Let's
do some talking. You lead us off, give us the
reasons I.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Think as I said that Georgia Tech, to me, the
resume still isn't impressive. And I'm not a guy that
likes to sit there and blame refs, but we all
know what happened in Winston Salem. They did beat a
good duke team this year, which you could probably argue
is their best win so far. But Louisville now has
on their resume going into the building of the number
two team in the country and beating them. It wasn't
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enough for me to put them at number one. But
I still think that Miami. It's one of those deals that, yes,
Louisville beat them, but I still think it's one of
those types of scenarios that if they played Miami ten times,
I think Miami wins nine out of ten. And I
think that Miami still, in my opinion, is the best
team in the ACC.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
When you look at everything they bring to the table.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yes, they had a bad game, Yes Carson back through
four interceptions, I understand all that. But when you look
at this team topp to, I still think that they
would beat Louisville if they played them several more times,
and I think that they would beat Georgia Tech and
Virginia had to hit.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I think it gets a little messy up here. It does,
and I've liked pretty much every single ranking down to
the spot that you've had before. This one's funky because
it really started with Duke at number eight because you
value so I think with them dropping a few spots,
you're inadvertently saying you don't value Duke as much. But
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Georgia Tech, with their best win being against Duke, now
they're top three despite not having all that impressive of
a resume. But I think that's contradicting one another with
the whole Duke the way we evaluate Duke, and then
Virginia beating Louisville on the road Louisville Virginia's has I
guess the four state win is now not as impressive
because Forest State is at fifteen.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
But I still give them the credit of what they
did at that time.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, and so that well, if that's the case, I
think you should probably have Virginia still second or third,
even if Louisville did have the win against Miami. My
thing against Miami is Miami's had some close calls as well.
They had the close call early when they allowed Notre
Dame back in Carson Beck. Perhaps there's just my personal
bias of not being fully sold on Carson back, and
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they did lose to Louisville and Carson, like we've seen
this from him before, kind of like we've seen it
from Darien minsin Duke, right. I think those turnovers, so
those are my quarrels.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, Miami's got three ranked wins though they beat another
Day team, albeit yes, it was the first win of
the season. They beat down a USF team that's smashing
everybody else, and then at the time, if I'm going
to give people credit for what happened at the time
of the crime so to speak, they did beat a
ranked Florida State team as well. So they've got three
ranked wins on the season. So that's why I feel
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like Miami's resume is good as well. Flinander, what say you?
What do you think about Audis?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, I think it's tough to have Miami still at
number one. To me, I think Georgia Tech. We keep
doubting Georgia Tech and we think eventually they're gonna lose
one of these games, but they seem to find ways
to win these games.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
What say you about the fact that, again, like I said,
and I know that that's the one thing which I've
had Georgia Tech fansama, Oh, you're just thought because they
beat Wake forth. But this is the team that had
a call that should have gone against him, that would
have given them a loss against Wake four, right.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
But it didn't, and they're undefeated. So that's the that's
the thing. I mean, it's unfortunate. I definitely think that
that's certainly something that you could in terms of thinking
about this team nationally. Maybe that's where you have the conversation.
But I would put them ahead of Miami. I would
put them ahead of Louisville Tech.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You think Georgia Tech would beat Miami straight up?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I do.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I do. I think that Hayes King wouldn't finish it because.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I think they have a better coach and I think
that he is a guy that what does Brent Key
succeed most in beating ranked teams? That's all the man does.
I mean he he loses to rang it to unranked teams,
but when it comes to beating ranked teams, he gets
his team ready for those types of games.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I think they would beat Miami if we if played tonight.
The other thing too, is I mean, you have Wake
four to seventh, so it's even if they had the
luck of the call helped them out, it's still according
to these rankings against a pretty good team in wake Forest,
who is in the top seven, So I think I don't. Yeah,
they got the win against wake Forest, which doesn't look
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as bad with that margin of victory at the time
as it does now because wake was really starting to
get some things going.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, it's just for me with Georgia take, I just don't.
I just don't really feel like that they which I said,
they've They've beaten some some good teams acc wise, but
I just feel like that their resume right now, I'm
just not a believer in them just yet. And like
I said, I just I don't think that they would
beat Miami straight up, and I don't think they would
beat Louisville straight up either.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
This is belief in Miami's talent and that and I
think that's fair. It's just at some point we're going
to get into the age old debate that happens every
year in college football. How much do you value had
to head? But also did like I said, they got
three ranked wins.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
No, I well, I know that.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I'm just saying Louisville did beat Miami, and I know
they lost to Virginia ye, But now talking about Virginia
it's a little messy at the top, but that's the
question that people are gonna have. Is Okay, Louisville lost
to a top four squad. Miami, I guess, lost to
a top two. But in that case there is doubt.
It's not easy, it's not straightforward. But to me, I
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think the benefit of the doubt would go to the
team that has the head to head win over the
two teams.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
In I got a little college football playoffish on you
guys lose, and I knew that when I put it out,
I said, I got very college football playoffish too. I say, okay,
yes this happened, but I still believe this. Wes Bryant
got on his College Football Committee ish, Okay, Well, I
sit down and I say, yeah, well, this team might
have beat them, but this team might be ranked this,
but I still think this, And yes, I still think
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that Miami is the best team in the ACC because
I also looked at it. I'm like, Okay, if we
go back in retrospect when the season is over and
Miami only has one loss, we're gonna say that Miami's
the best team. And seeing these teams up close and
also watching pretty much every game I watched this morning.
I spent my morning watching the games from last week,
watching extended highlights the fifteen twenty twenty five minute joints
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of all the games, and I think that Georgia Tech
seeing them up close as well, I think that they're
a good team, but I think that they are, for
lack of a better term, overrated in their ranking. I
just don't think that they as good as the seventh
best team in the country. And I really think, to
be frank, if Miami played them, I think they would
mash him.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
To be frank, that they would mash Georgia Tech. Yes, yeah,
I don't know about mash him for me, but I
hear you on having a lot of the talent, but
one it's kind of what Miami is. They have a
lot of talent and somehow, some way they end up
not making it. I've seen Carson Beck do this thing before,
and it's why he's not playing for the college that
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he was playing for last year. It's because Georgia didn't
do everything they could to keep him, and it was
because he had a bad year. Sometimes you need to
go to a different spot, that's fine. But if he
was amazing Georgia probably would have done a little bit
more with all that money they got down there. And
bulldog Land, well, he talked.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
About to a lot of the stuff that was going
on and took his love away and what he didn't
like either allceptions well also a little bit. But also
when you look, he had the receiving court that dropped
the most passes in the country last year. That receiving
quote was not great for Georgia, but again no excuses.
He did not play great in that Louisville game, and
I get it. On the last play that was a miscommunication,
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and it tells you that even with them throwing or
him throwing three interceptions, that they still were a field
goal away from winning that game.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Well, being right there to tie it to go to
over time.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
We're getting close games, though, I think that all kind
of washes out because Georgia Tech it's the same thing.
But they're undefeated, and that ultimately has to matter if
we want to try to keep the integrity of these rankings.
Have you won every single game that you've played, you
have that has to matter. Now, I get it. If
at the end part of this is that we don't
have a big enough sample size. So when we get
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on the college Football Playoff ish, as you talked about,
then that's how you leave out an undefeated Florida State team, right,
So I get that. I don't think we've seen enough
of that yet to continue to put Miami over the
team that did beat them, and to put them over
the undefeated team in Georgia Tech. Because it's also not
like they're destroying all of these teams that are good competition.
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Because you could say they have three ranked wins, and
that's true. They allowed Notre Dame to come back in
that game that was a close one. FSU they smashed FSU.
Yeah no, I know they did. Yeah, well an FSU
it was a six point game, But I get that
they beat them. Also, FSU is ranked fifteenth, and that
I don't think you're going to at the end of
the College Football Playoff right when we get to the
time where we're deciding all of this stuff, Yeah, the
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committee is not going to point to their win over
FSU and say that's a good win in favor of them.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
That's not going to happen. They won't.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
So I don't think we can do that here if
we're on our college football playoff fish.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So now you have they simlish UCF. I mean you SF.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So they did USF at this point in the season,
and I say, good team. It is a good team.
So those are your I guess two good wins Notre
Dame in USF and Louisville they have what's their good wins?
They have their win against the until they beat Miami.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That was a signature month for them because their schedule
was not sterling either until they beat I guess it's
a number two team on the road.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I guess that win to me against Notre Dame is
carrying a lot, like that's carrying a lot for me
to have them number one of the aces more so
than I think it should. Given you have an undefeated
team in Georgia Tech and you have a team that
did beat Miami on their home turn.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And I still think that they're the most complete team
when you look at them top to bottom. I know,
like I said that they had a bad game against
Georgia Tech, I mean against Louisville, but I think they're
the most complete team. And I also think that Louisville.
I think that they're a better team than Georgia Tech.
In my opinion. When you look at what they bring
to the table too, I think that they're very balanced,
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because the thing with Georgia Tech to worried you about
them if they get into big spots is their passing game.
I think they've been getting by with Haynes King a
lot running the football, which is great.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You win how you win.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I think he barely had one hundred plus yards and
this oh, I think he had two something in this game.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
He had two o five against Duke.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
But when it comes down to the nitty gritty, they
have a tough time kind of converting throwing through the air,
and that's the thing I think that Miami would do
to be able to beat them. I think they would
turn them a little one dimension them because it's hard
to just plug it up through there with in Georgia
Tech's offensive line. Now, they're really really good, but I
just think that the way Georgia Tech plays, I don't
think Miami is a good matchup for them. But again,
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like I said, it's a lot of fun and that's
what I felt like this week, and so I knew
it was gonna be I know I was gonna get
plenty of smoke with this one.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
But I'm built for it, man, So let's let's get
to the quarterbacks as well.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Let's go ahead and knock out the quarterbacks for this week,
because coming in at number five, falling from number one,
falling like Alicia Keys Carson back. He had four interceptions
versus Louisville two hundred and seventy one yards, still third
in the ACC and pass efficiency rating. He's gonna have
some making up to do because he took the l
to the cards and threw four picks. Number three, or
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excuse me, number four, Miller Moss makes his entry into
the quarterback power rankings. Versus Miami, he threw for two
hundred and forty eight yards and two touchdowns in his
last three games. He's been balling out sixty six percent
completions three hundred and five yards a game, ten TDR.
Then at number three, Kevin Jennings against Clemson he goes
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two ninety two touchdowns with the dreaded interception. He seems
like the always he's gonna give you an interception in
every game, but he is undefeated as a starter in
ACC regular season play. Then I've got Haynes King at
number two. He had three hundred and twenty five total
yards in the matchup the win versus Duke with a
rushing score, and he's got three games this season with
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one hundred plus passing and rushing yards in the same game.
Number one, Walker Male, you predicted it, and I kind
of felt like this might be coming as well. Daria
Mensa of Duke is now your number one guy. He
threw for three hundred and seventy three yards and two
touchdowns and the loss to Duke, and he's got seventeen
passing touchdowns in seven games.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
That is a Duke record.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I think the only reason that this would change is
because Duke's win loss record might be too much and
you might have too many l's to keep him at
the top. But I don't think it's going to because
of Darien Mensu's play. I think at the end of
the season, we're going to look at Mensa and say
that he's the best quarterback in the conference. And you know,
I got my love for CJ. Bailey every single time
he's not on the list anymore. Have no quarrels with
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that I have. I actually don't have any issues with this.
Like we had to have the debate and the conversation
with the top ten or so in your power rankings.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I think this is pretty spot on.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I would go Mensa, King, Jennings, Miller, Boss Carson Beck
pretty much down to the tee here. And I do
think Mensa in terms of individual quarterback play, if we
remove win loss record, I don't think Mensa removing win
loss record will be removed from this list if that
was a part he's I'll ask you this, if you
had to choose a quarterback to quarterback your team, would.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
It be Darien Mensa in the ACC I would say so, yeah,
would be mine, especially.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
If I'm putting together an Austar tea in and I
mean he makes some throws too when you two potests.
I mean he had a couple in that game against
Georgia Tech that will wow.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I can't help but just give Duke all of the
credit in the world for targeting a guy early in
the process saying, oh my god, I want him. I
don't want anybody else. I want him. I'm gonna get
this done. I'm want to throw them all of the
money and not have to worry about quarterback anymore. And
it work out for you, right, your it all comes,
it all goes According to plan, Duke continues to impress
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me and Darien Mensa continues to impress.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah. Man.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So that is your quarterback power rankings for this week
if you are just tuning in, Just to give you
a quick rundown at number five, Carson Back from Miami,
number four, Miller Moss of Louisville, number three, Kevin Jennings
of SMU, number two Haines King of Georgia Tech
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And number one Darien Mensa
All right, let's get going, folks.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
You know how we'd like to do it here, So
we're gonna start you off with that four pack, starting
from the bottom. Number seventeen the Boston College Eagles. This
is a program in disarray right now. They got smashed
by Yukon. Checking out that game. They were giving up
big play after big play after big play.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I don't know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm seeing articles online talking about how this is a
dead program and they do not know what they are
going to do moving forward. At number sixteen, they're North
Carolina tar Hills, a feisty bunch.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
They were at Cal.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
They weren't able to secure the victory, but it's their
best showing of the season in my opinion, against the
power for a team thus far. Then the Florida State
Seminoles oh and four and acc play. They go to
Stanford and they just get a physical beating from the
Cardinal and this Florida State program is in complete disarray, reeling,
whatever way you want to say it. And then the
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Virginia Tech Hokies who had a flash for a moment
and then it absolutely went away. So seventeen Boston College
sixteen UNC fifteen Florida State and number fourteen Virginia Tech.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, that new coach bump didn't last very long for
Virginia Tech after their win over NC State, which also
doesn't look amazing anymore as NC State starts to fall.
Have no issue with Boston College being dead last. If
you would have had North Carolina did last, I would
have understood it. But I think based off of the
game that took place for both of these programs over
the weekend, North Carolina, I do think they probably did
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have their.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Best show in the show some signs of life.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Go Lopez didn't look completely incompetent. Still, they're the sixteenth
best team in the ACC. Albeit it's probably the best
showing that they'll have all year long. I just can't
see them passing FSU. All right, Well, FSU has a
win against Alabama. I mean, you could argue that there
is nothing that North Carolina could do the rest of
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the year that would have them above a team that
beats Aliba, but they deserve to be OVERBC.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
All right.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So after that at number thirteen, clocking in, the Clemson
Tigers just absolutely disappointing across the board. Christopher Vezeno will
see if he will start their next game or if
kid Klubnik will return. But regardless of the fact, this
is easily the most disappointing team of the year. Number
twelve Syracuse, the hits just keep on coming. Ricky Collins
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and the crew, they just can't get the job done.
They were beat down by pitt at home in the Dome.
Number eleven to Stanford Cardinal. Though they are fighting, Frank
Right and the crew. They've got those guys believing. And
when you have a team smart like Stanford, just good
character guys, it's gonna be hard to kill a team
like that, even though sometimes they hurt themselves with penalties
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and mistakes, but they play as hard as anybody. And
then NC stated at number ten they had the week
off and the last time we saw them, they got
absolutely beat down by the fighting hours. They were not
even able to get in the red zone against noted
in the second.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Half was brutal.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
My prediction looked okay, ten to seven, and then the
second half happened, and then the prediction looked absolutely terrible.
NC State being ten, it's not an issue I would
have Clemson over Syracuse.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Okay, Syracuse, Yeah, but Syracuse beat him. No, they beat
him down head to head. Very different Syracuse team.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, Syracuse would not win an eleven or number twelve
on this list if Angeli was still playing. I wonder
how far up the standings eight beat that's a good question.
I would have Clemson above Syracuse. But again, it's not
anything that is crazy egregious in my opinion, because Clemson
has not been a great football team outside of their
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wins against bad football teams. That would be the only
change though I have in that grouping all right. At
number nine, the cow Golden Beers.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
They're five and two to one game away from Bowl eligibility.
Number eight the Duke Blue Devils. Hated the way that
went down against Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech didn't earn the victory,
but I felt like Duke made so many mistakes that
could have turned the tide in that game. At number
TiO seven, Wake Forest Demon Deakins got SMU coming into town.
Twenty consecutive conference wins for SMU.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But Wake Forest man, they're getting a job done.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
They're running the football well, pretty decent defense as well,
number one pass efficiency defense in the ACC. Are the
wake Forest Demon Deacons. And at number six, the pit Panthers.
I like this team a lot. They, as I said,
went into Syracuse and beat them down. Raheem Bows one
of the best linebackers in the country out right now
(04:30):
for them, So they've been having to overcome some injuries
and some quarterback play as well. But I've got the
pit Panthers at number six. Who's number nine, and who's
number eight? Number nine was cal Number eight was Duke seven,
wake Forest Pitt was number six.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Who Duke fell? Huh yeah, explain that one, well.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I mean, you know, you get hammered by Georgia Tech,
and you were favored in this game, but it was
just the way in which that they played. Man, some
of those turnovers and issues that they had after going
two consecutive games without turning the ball over came back
to get them. You are botting, you know, field goals, handling,
the holding you boughtsta, you fumble on the goal line
(05:08):
to which Georgia Tech runs it.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Back ninety five yards.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I mean, they just made so many critical mistakes in
that game that hurt them.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I think it's probably a little harsh to have Duke
fall behind Pitt and wake Forest for losing by nine
points to an undefeated football team. I do think if
I had to pick head to head, it would be
a good argument. I would pick them to beat Wake Forest.
I would pick Duke. Pick Duke to beat Pittsburgh. Ohough,
that one, I'm not nearly as comfortable with. That One's
(05:34):
a close one in my opinion. But you are right
in the fact that Duke, they kept making mistake after
mistake after mistake. So this goes back to the problems
we have with Duke at the beginning of the season. Right,
it's is this a one off? Is this actually a
really good football team hiding right in front of her
very eyes that just continues to make these terrible decisions?
Or is this a thing you do and if you
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do it again like they did to Georgia Tech, and
you have these terrible turnovers in the zone, Well, okay,
I can understand it.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I think it's too far.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But also, Duke's not helping themselves in any stretch of
the imagination because of what they do in the red zone.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, I dropped them three spots. They were five last
go round. All right, I'm gonna give you two this time.
SMU at five and they are climbing They're three and
zero in the conference. They haven't lost the conference game
since they've been in the ACC. They've got twenty overall
since they were in the American Conference. And then at
number four, Virginia, Virginia, they barely beat Washington State. They
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did get the win, but it was definitely a struggle
for them. So I've got SMU five in Virginia four. Okay,
this top three is gonna be interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
We should get to the top three because is gonna
have an issue with a number four on this list.
They might take it out on us.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, they just went all right number three, and definitely
I know as soon as I turned this in, I said, boy,
my mentions and all that gonna be on fire. But
I've got the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets at number three
in the poll right now. Then I've got Louisville at
number two, and the Miami Hurricanes remain at number one.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
So yeah, we can do some talking right here. Let's
do some talking. You lead us off, give us the
reasons I.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Think as I said that Georgia Tech, to me, the
resume still isn't impressive. And I'm not a guy that
likes to sit there and blame refs, but we all
know what happened in Winston Salem. They did beat a
good duke team this year, which you could probably argue
is their best win so far. But Louisville now has
on their resume going into the building of the number
two team in the country and beating them. It wasn't
(07:33):
enough for me to put them at number one. But
I still think that Miami. It's one of those deals that, yes,
Louisville beat them, but I still think it's one of
those types of scenarios that if they played Miami ten times,
I think Miami wins nine out of ten. And I
think that Miami still, in my opinion, is the best
team in the ACC.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
When you look at everything they bring to the table.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yes, they had a bad game, Yes Carson back through
four interceptions, I understand all that. But when you look
at this team topp to, I still think that they
would beat Louisville if they played them several more times,
and I think that they would beat Georgia Tech and
Virginia had to hit.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I think it gets a little messy up here. It does,
and I've liked pretty much every single ranking down to
the spot that you've had before. This one's funky because
it really started with Duke at number eight because you
value so I think with them dropping a few spots,
you're inadvertently saying you don't value Duke as much. But
(08:28):
Georgia Tech, with their best win being against Duke, now
they're top three despite not having all that impressive of
a resume. But I think that's contradicting one another with
the whole Duke the way we evaluate Duke, and then
Virginia beating Louisville on the road Louisville Virginia's has I
guess the four state win is now not as impressive
because Forest State is at fifteen.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
But I still give them the credit of what they
did at that time.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, and so that well, if that's the case, I
think you should probably have Virginia still second or third,
even if Louisville did have the win against Miami. My
thing against Miami is Miami's had some close calls as well.
They had the close call early when they allowed Notre
Dame back in Carson Beck. Perhaps there's just my personal
bias of not being fully sold on Carson back, and
(09:14):
they did lose to Louisville and Carson, like we've seen
this from him before, kind of like we've seen it
from Darien minsin Duke, right. I think those turnovers, so
those are my quarrels.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, Miami's got three ranked wins though they beat another
Day team, albeit yes, it was the first win of
the season. They beat down a USF team that's smashing
everybody else, and then at the time, if I'm going
to give people credit for what happened at the time
of the crime so to speak, they did beat a
ranked Florida State team as well. So they've got three
ranked wins on the season. So that's why I feel
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like Miami's resume is good as well. Flinander, what say you?
What do you think about Audis?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, I think it's tough to have Miami still at
number one. To me, I think Georgia Tech. We keep
doubting Georgia Tech and we think eventually they're gonna lose
one of these games, but they seem to find ways
to win these games.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
What say you about the fact that, again, like I said,
and I know that that's the one thing which I've
had Georgia Tech fansama, Oh, you're just thought because they
beat Wake forth. But this is the team that had
a call that should have gone against him, that would
have given them a loss against Wake four, right.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
But it didn't, and they're undefeated. So that's the that's
the thing. I mean, it's unfortunate. I definitely think that
that's certainly something that you could in terms of thinking
about this team nationally. Maybe that's where you have the conversation.
But I would put them ahead of Miami. I would
put them ahead of Louisville Tech.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You think Georgia Tech would beat Miami straight up?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I do.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I do. I think that Hayes King wouldn't finish it because.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I think they have a better coach and I think
that he is a guy that what does Brent Key
succeed most in beating ranked teams? That's all the man does.
I mean he he loses to rang it to unranked teams,
but when it comes to beating ranked teams, he gets
his team ready for those types of games.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I think they would beat Miami if we if played tonight.
The other thing too, is I mean, you have Wake
four to seventh, so it's even if they had the
luck of the call helped them out, it's still according
to these rankings against a pretty good team in wake Forest,
who is in the top seven, So I think I don't. Yeah,
they got the win against wake Forest, which doesn't look
(11:18):
as bad with that margin of victory at the time
as it does now because wake was really starting to
get some things going.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, it's just for me with Georgia take, I just don't.
I just don't really feel like that they which I said,
they've They've beaten some some good teams acc wise, but
I just feel like that their resume right now, I'm
just not a believer in them just yet. And like
I said, I just I don't think that they would
beat Miami straight up, and I don't think they would
beat Louisville straight up either.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
This is belief in Miami's talent and that and I
think that's fair. It's just at some point we're going
to get into the age old debate that happens every
year in college football. How much do you value had
to head? But also did like I said, they got
three ranked wins.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
No, I well, I know that.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I'm just saying Louisville did beat Miami, and I know
they lost to Virginia ye, But now talking about Virginia
it's a little messy at the top, but that's the
question that people are gonna have. Is Okay, Louisville lost
to a top four squad. Miami, I guess, lost to
a top two. But in that case there is doubt.
It's not easy, it's not straightforward. But to me, I
(12:17):
think the benefit of the doubt would go to the
team that has the head to head win over the
two teams.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
In I got a little college football playoffish on you
guys lose, and I knew that when I put it out,
I said, I got very college football playoffish too. I say, okay,
yes this happened, but I still believe this. Wes Bryant
got on his College Football Committee ish, Okay, Well, I
sit down and I say, yeah, well, this team might
have beat them, but this team might be ranked this,
but I still think this, And yes, I still think
(12:44):
that Miami is the best team in the ACC because
I also looked at it. I'm like, Okay, if we
go back in retrospect when the season is over and
Miami only has one loss, we're gonna say that Miami's
the best team. And seeing these teams up close and
also watching pretty much every game I watched this morning.
I spent my morning watching the games from last week,
watching extended highlights the fifteen twenty twenty five minute joints
(13:07):
of all the games, and I think that Georgia Tech
seeing them up close as well, I think that they're
a good team, but I think that they are, for
lack of a better term, overrated in their ranking. I
just don't think that they as good as the seventh
best team in the country. And I really think, to
be frank, if Miami played them, I think they would
mash him.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
To be frank, that they would mash Georgia Tech. Yes, yeah,
I don't know about mash him for me, but I
hear you on having a lot of the talent, but
one it's kind of what Miami is. They have a
lot of talent and somehow, some way they end up
not making it. I've seen Carson Beck do this thing before,
and it's why he's not playing for the college that
(13:49):
he was playing for last year. It's because Georgia didn't
do everything they could to keep him, and it was
because he had a bad year. Sometimes you need to
go to a different spot, that's fine. But if he
was amazing Georgia probably would have done a little bit
more with all that money they got down there. And
bulldog Land, well, he talked.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
About to a lot of the stuff that was going
on and took his love away and what he didn't
like either allceptions well also a little bit. But also
when you look, he had the receiving court that dropped
the most passes in the country last year. That receiving
quote was not great for Georgia, but again no excuses.
He did not play great in that Louisville game, and
I get it. On the last play that was a miscommunication,
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and it tells you that even with them throwing or
him throwing three interceptions, that they still were a field
goal away from winning that game.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Well, being right there to tie it to go to
over time.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
We're getting close games, though, I think that all kind
of washes out because Georgia Tech it's the same thing.
But they're undefeated, and that ultimately has to matter if
we want to try to keep the integrity of these rankings.
Have you won every single game that you've played, you
have that has to matter. Now, I get it. If
at the end part of this is that we don't
have a big enough sample size. So when we get
(14:56):
on the college Football Playoff ish, as you talked about,
then that's how you leave out an undefeated Florida State team, right,
So I get that. I don't think we've seen enough
of that yet to continue to put Miami over the
team that did beat them, and to put them over
the undefeated team in Georgia Tech. Because it's also not
like they're destroying all of these teams that are good competition.
(15:19):
Because you could say they have three ranked wins, and
that's true. They allowed Notre Dame to come back in
that game that was a close one. FSU they smashed FSU.
Yeah no, I know they did. Yeah, well an FSU
it was a six point game, But I get that
they beat them. Also, FSU is ranked fifteenth, and that
I don't think you're going to at the end of
the College Football Playoff right when we get to the
time where we're deciding all of this stuff, Yeah, the
(15:41):
committee is not going to point to their win over
FSU and say that's a good win in favor of them.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
That's not going to happen. They won't.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
So I don't think we can do that here if
we're on our college football playoff fish.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So now you have they simlish UCF. I mean you SF.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So they did USF at this point in the season,
and I say, good team. It is a good team.
So those are your I guess two good wins Notre
Dame in USF and Louisville they have what's their good wins?
They have their win against the until they beat Miami.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That was a signature month for them because their schedule
was not sterling either until they beat I guess it's
a number two team on the road.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I guess that win to me against Notre Dame is
carrying a lot, like that's carrying a lot for me
to have them number one of the aces more so
than I think it should. Given you have an undefeated
team in Georgia Tech and you have a team that
did beat Miami on their home turn.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And I still think that they're the most complete team
when you look at them top to bottom. I know,
like I said that they had a bad game against
Georgia Tech, I mean against Louisville, but I think they're
the most complete team. And I also think that Louisville.
I think that they're a better team than Georgia Tech.
In my opinion. When you look at what they bring
to the table too, I think that they're very balanced,
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because the thing with Georgia Tech to worried you about
them if they get into big spots is their passing game.
I think they've been getting by with Haynes King a
lot running the football, which is great.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You win how you win.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I think he barely had one hundred plus yards and
this oh, I think he had two something in this game.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
He had two o five against Duke.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
But when it comes down to the nitty gritty, they
have a tough time kind of converting throwing through the air,
and that's the thing I think that Miami would do
to be able to beat them. I think they would
turn them a little one dimension them because it's hard
to just plug it up through there with in Georgia
Tech's offensive line. Now, they're really really good, but I
just think that the way Georgia Tech plays, I don't
think Miami is a good matchup for them. But again,
(17:31):
like I said, it's a lot of fun and that's
what I felt like this week, and so I knew
it was gonna be I know I was gonna get
plenty of smoke with this one.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
But I'm built for it, man, So let's let's get
to the quarterbacks as well.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Let's go ahead and knock out the quarterbacks for this week,
because coming in at number five, falling from number one,
falling like Alicia Keys Carson back. He had four interceptions
versus Louisville two hundred and seventy one yards, still third
in the ACC and pass efficiency rating. He's gonna have
some making up to do because he took the l
to the cards and threw four picks. Number three, or
(18:06):
excuse me, number four, Miller Moss makes his entry into
the quarterback power rankings. Versus Miami, he threw for two
hundred and forty eight yards and two touchdowns in his
last three games. He's been balling out sixty six percent
completions three hundred and five yards a game, ten TDR.
Then at number three, Kevin Jennings against Clemson he goes
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two ninety two touchdowns with the dreaded interception. He seems
like the always he's gonna give you an interception in
every game, but he is undefeated as a starter in
ACC regular season play. Then I've got Haynes King at
number two. He had three hundred and twenty five total
yards in the matchup the win versus Duke with a
rushing score, and he's got three games this season with
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one hundred plus passing and rushing yards in the same game.
Number one, Walker Male, you predicted it, and I kind
of felt like this might be coming as well. Daria
Mensa of Duke is now your number one guy. He
threw for three hundred and seventy three yards and two
touchdowns and the loss to Duke, and he's got seventeen
passing touchdowns in seven games.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
That is a Duke record.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I think the only reason that this would change is
because Duke's win loss record might be too much and
you might have too many l's to keep him at
the top. But I don't think it's going to because
of Darien Mensu's play. I think at the end of
the season, we're going to look at Mensa and say
that he's the best quarterback in the conference. And you know,
I got my love for CJ. Bailey every single time
he's not on the list anymore. Have no quarrels with
(19:33):
that I have. I actually don't have any issues with this.
Like we had to have the debate and the conversation
with the top ten or so in your power rankings.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I think this is pretty spot on.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I would go Mensa, King, Jennings, Miller, Boss Carson Beck
pretty much down to the tee here. And I do
think Mensa in terms of individual quarterback play, if we
remove win loss record, I don't think Mensa removing win
loss record will be removed from this list if that
was a part he's I'll ask you this, if you
had to choose a quarterback to quarterback your team, would.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
It be Darien Mensa in the ACC I would say so, yeah,
would be mine, especially.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
If I'm putting together an Austar tea in and I
mean he makes some throws too when you two potests.
I mean he had a couple in that game against
Georgia Tech that will wow.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I can't help but just give Duke all of the
credit in the world for targeting a guy early in
the process saying, oh my god, I want him. I
don't want anybody else. I want him. I'm gonna get
this done. I'm want to throw them all of the
money and not have to worry about quarterback anymore. And
it work out for you, right, your it all comes,
it all goes According to plan, Duke continues to impress
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me and Darien Mensa continues to impress.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah. Man.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So that is your quarterback power rankings for this week
if you are just tuning in, Just to give you
a quick rundown at number five, Carson Back from Miami,
number four, Miller Moss of Louisville, number three, Kevin Jennings
of SMU, number two Haines King of Georgia Tech
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And number one Darien Mensa
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