September 19, 2025 • 10 mins
Live from the Touchdown Club, former Bengals Quarterback and NFL media member, Boomer Esiason would join Colin Hoggard to discuss the development of current NFL QB's, Bryce Young and his potential to find success in the NFL, and what his friend Frank Reich had to say about Bryce Young after he got fired. A fantastic interview with 1988's NFL's MVP is definitely worth a listen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Boomers Sis and joining us right now about to address
the crowd.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
How are you doing? How are you enjoying the Queen City?
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Though, you know what, I really do enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (00:07):
I was wondering the last time I was here, I
think Cam Newton was still the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
They were playing the Bucks.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
It was a Monday night game, so maybe twenty seventeen maybe,
I think it was probably around then. And when I
was driving in last night, I cannot believe how Charlotte
has exploded. It is and by the way, every day
I just want to apologize for all the New Yorkers
moving down here. They're going to ruin your life.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, it's just recently it's been the Philly fans.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Oh that's even worse.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
They're the ones, you know, anytime the Towys sports gets
brought up, they want to fight.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
They want to fight. Of course, they jumps off size.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
We know it's an impossible to play, to stop the
referees don't know how to stop it.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Nobody knows how to stop it.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
And then watching it in full bloom against Kansas City
last week, you know that's amazing. I give Shane styke
In a lot of credit for coming up with the concept,
and Jason Kelcey of course was the first center that
was able to do that and now that they can
still do it with Cam Jurgens, And of course I
think it has to do with making sure your quarterback
is the right size, and Jalen Hurts is like the
(01:07):
perfect size physically, the perfect size guy to get in
behind that offensive line and it's an impossible thing to stop.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Now you've been a long time media member at this point,
but I grew up your quarterback. First. Quarterback development continues
to be a conversation we're having as someone that's played
that position. You look at young guys college game, young
coming into the NFL. What do you see about quarterback
development is so different there?
Speaker 4 (01:31):
There isn't any I mean, and it really depends on
who the kid is and what college he's going to
and whether or not he's going to.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Stay at that college.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And if you stay at that college, like I stayed
at the University of Maryland for five years. I had
two coaches, Jerry Claiborn. First, he ran a different offense
that was not suited to my talents. We used to
have to pitch the ball to the tailback and lead
around the corner and run into like Michael Dean Perry
or I don't know, Lawrence Taylor at North Carolina. So
that toughened us up as quarterbacks without question. My junior
(01:59):
and Bobby Ross came in and he brought in a
pro style offense.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
He brought in Ralph Frigan as our offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Joe Kreeback was our quarterback, who was me, Frank Reich
and Stan Gelbaugh in the room, and all three of
us spent over twelve years in the NFL, so all
three of us were supremely talented, but we just needed direction,
We needed development, and those guys worked on the fundamentals,
worked on reading defenses, knowing all of our formations, knowing
(02:27):
the personnel groups that go with the pass protections that
we're calling. And that's the development part. You know, we
weren't standing at the line of scrimmage in a shotgun
and then looking over to the sideline and having somebody
hold up a sign.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
We were actually in the huddle calling the play.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And we had legitimate two minute offense where we were
calling the plays in the middle of the game. So,
you know, some of it has gotten too easy for
the quarterback. I think in college I don't necessarily know
that they really I.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Think they try to apply themselves.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
But when they get to the NFL, it's a completely
different animal. And because the hash mark are closer, the
players are faster, they're bigger, they're more intimidating. You know,
it's no wonder that a lot of young quarterbacks don't
make it initially, and may if they can hang around,
may make it like Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold bar
in their six and seventh year.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
See, that's that's one of the things that I look
at and think, I think the quarterback position should be
played by twenty seven, twenty eightyears. We're skipping ahead and
then blaming the youngsters for not being developed around here locally.
Bryce Young obviously has the limitations because of his size,
but looks good and stretches, you know, look good in
the second half and really trying to figure out is
(03:36):
this a guy that this team can build a round?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, you brought it up size and it's a big
it's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
There's only really one quarterback that has had really great
success that is under six foot and that is Russell Wilson.
And Russell Wilson's five to eleven and Russell Wilson you
could still see and still play. And he understands the game.
He knows what's going on. And you know, I'll never
forget Pete Carroll when they drafted him in the third round.
Pete told me, he goes Boomer, this guy's going to
(04:02):
be my starting quarterback because he has the right personality.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
He wants to be the quarterback, he wants to be
the leader.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
So he impressed the Seattle coaches when he first got there.
You know, Bryce is five to ten. Does he weigh
one hundred and eighty five pounds? I'm not really sure,
and so the base is not there really. I mean,
like you could say that guys like Tua and Drew Brees,
you know, ultimately have made it. And Drew Brees left
an unbelievable mark on the NFL given his size for
two different franchises. But it's very rare that a guy
(04:31):
that's five to ten is going to have success. That's
just the reality of it. And you know, so I
don't know why they drafted Bryce. You know, if I
were them, I would have drafted c. J. Stroud in
that draft. He's bigger, he's stronger, but you could even
see that CJ now is also struggling.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And I could probably trace it back to the offensive
line for Houston right now, because they don't have a
great offensive line, probably one of the worst in the NFL,
and he's feeling that. So they expect him to overcome
some of that because of what he did his rookie year.
And I don't know if that's realistic or not, but
I you're five to ten, you're one hundred and eighty pounds,
your chances of success decrease significantly.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I consider myself Bryce's positive and want to give the
young man a chance, certainly, but when it goes wrong,
he does look just so small when it's happening.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
So my buddy Frank Rych he was his first coach,
and you know, I was asking Frank about Bryce. He goes, Boomer,
this kid is such a smart kid, such a nice
young man, and he wants to do it, he wants
to be great, and he goes, I actually believe he's
really going to have a great career in the NFL.
He goes, I don't know if it will stand up
to Russell Wilson or Drew Brees, but I think he
(05:42):
really wants to be the guy. So that is part
and parcel of the package that you can appreciate that
he's going to overcome the short part of his height
and maybe the heart that he has is going to
be able to take him to a next level like
Jalen Hurts has. Like Jalen Hurt was a second round
draft pick and when they threw him in there, they
(06:03):
didn't think that they had their quarterback that was going
to take him to the future. The one thing about
Jalen Hurts, if you watched him when he was in college,
he was an extreme competitor at the position, and when
you watch him now with Philadelphia, his competitive juices are there.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
They're evident.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Now he may not throw the ball as well as
everybody would like him to, but you know what, he'll
make first downs for you. And if I were a defense,
by the way, and they ran that Dan tush Bush
to me, I tell my middle linebacker to bury his
helmet right in the back of Jalen Hurts. Put it
right in the back of the quarterback and this way
they'll think twice because he may not get up after
(06:39):
you hit him.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Way, as we talk about young quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I think one of the things is that if Rice
could get to the point, like you mentioned, with some
of the guys like a Baker Mayfield, where he's playing
and has more experience than the other guys rather than
playing against guys that have equal or more experience than him,
that I think that would be a point where you
would start to see some of the fruits of the labor.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
But the appetite to wait for that is not strong.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It's not realistic in the NFL these days. And believe
you me, I mean in New York.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
You know where I work every morning, and I have
to deal with covering the Jets and the Giants. I mean,
the quarterback list is long, and it's just littered with
all sorts of mistakes or guys that couldn't make it.
And I think right now, you know with when you
think about it. Sam Darnold is now on his fourth
team where it's fifteam. I think I was fourth team,
and he got a big contract and he's playing with Seattle.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Great, that's awesome. He's a little bit older.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
When the Jets drafted him, he was twenty years old
and they made him the starting quarterback his first year.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, and that ghost comment lives for years.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, but the reason he said that is because he
heard me saying it on the radio. I remember when
I was a rookie for the Bengals. I played four
games due to guys getting hurt in front of me.
I had not a clue to what I was doing.
I almost killed Chris Collinsworth. I threw him the ball
I think nineteen times in one game, and at least
ten of those went over his head, so his ribs works.
(08:00):
The next day, I sent him a massage therapist to
his house and he turned away because he was too
beat up. So I remember my rookie year and how
just I was not ready to play, But then the
next year clicked in for me. And that's that's just
the thing. There was no social media back there. It
was just talk radio, so I had to deal with
all of that criticism, which was bad enough, and maybe
(08:22):
the guy's writing a bad article about me or something.
But today, with social media and Instagram and people wanting
to put their opinions out there, all these kids are
seeing it and it's definitely having a profound effect on
who they are as people and how they handle the
adversity that they're confronted.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Speaking with Boomer Sias and he's about to address the
Charlotte Touchdown Club as part of their lunch and speaker series.
We'll get you out on this. You mentioned your days
at Maryland. I'm I'm an ACC guy. Do you wish
Maryland was still.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
In the ACC?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I mean, you know he found ourselves in the red
there around twenty sixteen twenty seventeen. It was a downturn
in the economy. We were expanding Bird Stadium. They thought
that they were going to be able to sell like
two hundred suitets. I think they sold like twenty and
all of a sudden, you know, panics set in. And
when panic sets in and the Big ten comes knocking
on your door, guarantee you a certain amount of money
(09:16):
every single year. There's no way at that point that
Maryland could say no. And Maryland was one of the
original founders of the ACC, and we had great I mean,
we had great rivalries with Virginia, North Carolina, North Carolina State,
Duke Clemson, you know, Florida State. I don't think was
in yet, but you know, we had all those great rivalries,
and those great rivalries go to the other sports as
(09:39):
well like Duke basketball, North Carolina basketball, NC State basketball.
When I was at Maryland, we had a great basketball
program going against all those guys and it was so
much fun. And now you know, we're going out to
play Oregon or we're going out to play Wisconsin. It's
great when Michigan and Ohio State come to Maryland because
they set out the stadium.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
We make some more money.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
But at the end of the day, you know, I
wish we would have stayed in the ACC. But you know,
this thing is moving like a bullet train, and who
knows where we're going to be in four years from now.
I wouldn't be surprised that they expand that playoff to
twenty four teams and we have free conferences, you know,
and those conference those those conference commissioners are basically going
(10:23):
to run everything, and the NCAA is going to be
on the outside looking in.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Boomer Sis and my first quarterback.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
As I told you guys earlier in the show, but
you really have been one of the storytellers of this
league for going on now twenty five years. Five years,
which is just a basic Actually, you know, I'm getting old,
we all are every day. It's nice to meet you,
thanks to meet you, Thank you so much, Boomer Sias
and joining us
Boomers Sis and joining us right now about to address
the crowd.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
How are you doing? How are you enjoying the Queen City?
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Though, you know what, I really do enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (00:07):
I was wondering the last time I was here, I
think Cam Newton was still the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
They were playing the Bucks.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
It was a Monday night game, so maybe twenty seventeen maybe,
I think it was probably around then. And when I
was driving in last night, I cannot believe how Charlotte
has exploded. It is and by the way, every day
I just want to apologize for all the New Yorkers
moving down here. They're going to ruin your life.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Well, it's just recently it's been the Philly fans.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Oh that's even worse.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
They're the ones, you know, anytime the Towys sports gets
brought up, they want to fight.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
They want to fight. Of course, they jumps off size.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
We know it's an impossible to play, to stop the
referees don't know how to stop it.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Nobody knows how to stop it.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
And then watching it in full bloom against Kansas City
last week, you know that's amazing. I give Shane styke
In a lot of credit for coming up with the concept,
and Jason Kelcey of course was the first center that
was able to do that and now that they can
still do it with Cam Jurgens, And of course I
think it has to do with making sure your quarterback
is the right size, and Jalen Hurts is like the
(01:07):
perfect size physically, the perfect size guy to get in
behind that offensive line and it's an impossible thing to stop.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Now you've been a long time media member at this point,
but I grew up your quarterback. First. Quarterback development continues
to be a conversation we're having as someone that's played
that position. You look at young guys college game, young
coming into the NFL. What do you see about quarterback
development is so different there?
Speaker 4 (01:31):
There isn't any I mean, and it really depends on
who the kid is and what college he's going to
and whether or not he's going to.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Stay at that college.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And if you stay at that college, like I stayed
at the University of Maryland for five years. I had
two coaches, Jerry Claiborn. First, he ran a different offense
that was not suited to my talents. We used to
have to pitch the ball to the tailback and lead
around the corner and run into like Michael Dean Perry
or I don't know, Lawrence Taylor at North Carolina. So
that toughened us up as quarterbacks without question. My junior
(01:59):
and Bobby Ross came in and he brought in a
pro style offense.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
He brought in Ralph Frigan as our offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Joe Kreeback was our quarterback, who was me, Frank Reich
and Stan Gelbaugh in the room, and all three of
us spent over twelve years in the NFL, so all
three of us were supremely talented, but we just needed direction,
We needed development, and those guys worked on the fundamentals,
worked on reading defenses, knowing all of our formations, knowing
(02:27):
the personnel groups that go with the pass protections that
we're calling. And that's the development part. You know, we
weren't standing at the line of scrimmage in a shotgun
and then looking over to the sideline and having somebody
hold up a sign.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
We were actually in the huddle calling the play.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And we had legitimate two minute offense where we were
calling the plays in the middle of the game. So,
you know, some of it has gotten too easy for
the quarterback. I think in college I don't necessarily know
that they really I.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Think they try to apply themselves.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
But when they get to the NFL, it's a completely
different animal. And because the hash mark are closer, the
players are faster, they're bigger, they're more intimidating. You know,
it's no wonder that a lot of young quarterbacks don't
make it initially, and may if they can hang around,
may make it like Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold bar
in their six and seventh year.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
See, that's that's one of the things that I look
at and think, I think the quarterback position should be
played by twenty seven, twenty eightyears. We're skipping ahead and
then blaming the youngsters for not being developed around here locally.
Bryce Young obviously has the limitations because of his size,
but looks good and stretches, you know, look good in
the second half and really trying to figure out is
(03:36):
this a guy that this team can build a round?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, you brought it up size and it's a big
it's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
There's only really one quarterback that has had really great
success that is under six foot and that is Russell Wilson.
And Russell Wilson's five to eleven and Russell Wilson you
could still see and still play. And he understands the game.
He knows what's going on. And you know, I'll never
forget Pete Carroll when they drafted him in the third round.
Pete told me, he goes Boomer, this guy's going to
(04:02):
be my starting quarterback because he has the right personality.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
He wants to be the quarterback, he wants to be
the leader.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
So he impressed the Seattle coaches when he first got there.
You know, Bryce is five to ten. Does he weigh
one hundred and eighty five pounds? I'm not really sure,
and so the base is not there really. I mean,
like you could say that guys like Tua and Drew Brees,
you know, ultimately have made it. And Drew Brees left
an unbelievable mark on the NFL given his size for
two different franchises. But it's very rare that a guy
(04:31):
that's five to ten is going to have success. That's
just the reality of it. And you know, so I
don't know why they drafted Bryce. You know, if I
were them, I would have drafted c. J. Stroud in
that draft. He's bigger, he's stronger, but you could even
see that CJ now is also struggling.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And I could probably trace it back to the offensive
line for Houston right now, because they don't have a
great offensive line, probably one of the worst in the NFL,
and he's feeling that. So they expect him to overcome
some of that because of what he did his rookie year.
And I don't know if that's realistic or not, but
I you're five to ten, you're one hundred and eighty pounds,
your chances of success decrease significantly.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I consider myself Bryce's positive and want to give the
young man a chance, certainly, but when it goes wrong,
he does look just so small when it's happening.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
So my buddy Frank Rych he was his first coach,
and you know, I was asking Frank about Bryce. He goes, Boomer,
this kid is such a smart kid, such a nice
young man, and he wants to do it, he wants
to be great, and he goes, I actually believe he's
really going to have a great career in the NFL.
He goes, I don't know if it will stand up
to Russell Wilson or Drew Brees, but I think he
(05:42):
really wants to be the guy. So that is part
and parcel of the package that you can appreciate that
he's going to overcome the short part of his height
and maybe the heart that he has is going to
be able to take him to a next level like
Jalen Hurts has. Like Jalen Hurt was a second round
draft pick and when they threw him in there, they
(06:03):
didn't think that they had their quarterback that was going
to take him to the future. The one thing about
Jalen Hurts, if you watched him when he was in college,
he was an extreme competitor at the position, and when
you watch him now with Philadelphia, his competitive juices are there.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
They're evident.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Now he may not throw the ball as well as
everybody would like him to, but you know what, he'll
make first downs for you. And if I were a defense,
by the way, and they ran that Dan tush Bush
to me, I tell my middle linebacker to bury his
helmet right in the back of Jalen Hurts. Put it
right in the back of the quarterback and this way
they'll think twice because he may not get up after
(06:39):
you hit him.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Way, as we talk about young quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I think one of the things is that if Rice
could get to the point, like you mentioned, with some
of the guys like a Baker Mayfield, where he's playing
and has more experience than the other guys rather than
playing against guys that have equal or more experience than him,
that I think that would be a point where you
would start to see some of the fruits of the labor.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
But the appetite to wait for that is not strong.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
It's not realistic in the NFL these days. And believe
you me, I mean in New York.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
You know where I work every morning, and I have
to deal with covering the Jets and the Giants. I mean,
the quarterback list is long, and it's just littered with
all sorts of mistakes or guys that couldn't make it.
And I think right now, you know with when you
think about it. Sam Darnold is now on his fourth
team where it's fifteam. I think I was fourth team,
and he got a big contract and he's playing with Seattle.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Great, that's awesome. He's a little bit older.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
When the Jets drafted him, he was twenty years old
and they made him the starting quarterback his first year.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, and that ghost comment lives for years.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, but the reason he said that is because he
heard me saying it on the radio. I remember when
I was a rookie for the Bengals. I played four
games due to guys getting hurt in front of me.
I had not a clue to what I was doing.
I almost killed Chris Collinsworth. I threw him the ball
I think nineteen times in one game, and at least
ten of those went over his head, so his ribs works.
(08:00):
The next day, I sent him a massage therapist to
his house and he turned away because he was too
beat up. So I remember my rookie year and how
just I was not ready to play, But then the
next year clicked in for me. And that's that's just
the thing. There was no social media back there. It
was just talk radio, so I had to deal with
all of that criticism, which was bad enough, and maybe
(08:22):
the guy's writing a bad article about me or something.
But today, with social media and Instagram and people wanting
to put their opinions out there, all these kids are
seeing it and it's definitely having a profound effect on
who they are as people and how they handle the
adversity that they're confronted.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Speaking with Boomer Sias and he's about to address the
Charlotte Touchdown Club as part of their lunch and speaker series.
We'll get you out on this. You mentioned your days
at Maryland. I'm I'm an ACC guy. Do you wish
Maryland was still.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
In the ACC?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I mean, you know he found ourselves in the red
there around twenty sixteen twenty seventeen. It was a downturn
in the economy. We were expanding Bird Stadium. They thought
that they were going to be able to sell like
two hundred suitets. I think they sold like twenty and
all of a sudden, you know, panics set in. And
when panic sets in and the Big ten comes knocking
on your door, guarantee you a certain amount of money
(09:16):
every single year. There's no way at that point that
Maryland could say no. And Maryland was one of the
original founders of the ACC, and we had great I mean,
we had great rivalries with Virginia, North Carolina, North Carolina State,
Duke Clemson, you know, Florida State. I don't think was
in yet, but you know, we had all those great rivalries,
and those great rivalries go to the other sports as
(09:39):
well like Duke basketball, North Carolina basketball, NC State basketball.
When I was at Maryland, we had a great basketball
program going against all those guys and it was so
much fun. And now you know, we're going out to
play Oregon or we're going out to play Wisconsin. It's
great when Michigan and Ohio State come to Maryland because
they set out the stadium.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
We make some more money.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
But at the end of the day, you know, I
wish we would have stayed in the ACC. But you know,
this thing is moving like a bullet train, and who
knows where we're going to be in four years from now.
I wouldn't be surprised that they expand that playoff to
twenty four teams and we have free conferences, you know,
and those conference those those conference commissioners are basically going
(10:23):
to run everything, and the NCAA is going to be
on the outside looking in.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Boomer Sis and my first quarterback.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
As I told you guys earlier in the show, but
you really have been one of the storytellers of this
league for going on now twenty five years. Five years,
which is just a basic Actually, you know, I'm getting old,
we all are every day. It's nice to meet you,
thanks to meet you, Thank you so much, Boomer Sias
and joining us
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