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Speaker 1 (00:03):
David, We're back with the old friend of the show. Yes,
one bad apple will not spoil this bunch. This is
really exciting because we're celebrating right now the new season
season eight of Somebody Fiend film.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Very lucky and very lucky to have this young man
with us. In the Las Vegas episode, Ladies and Gentlemen,
let's hear it for the one and only Donny Osmond.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Let's build the beans, chew the fat, food for thought,
jokes on tap, talking with our mouthsfull, having fun, peace
cake and Humble Pies, serving up slice love, leave the
dressing on the side. It's naked lunch.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Clothing optional.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Love me for fun, Let me be love me, love me,
don't love me for fun.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Let me be the.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
Love me for Please.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
What's up?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You look good?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (01:26):
Are you backstage at your show?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yes? Yes, I'm in my dressing room.
Speaker 7 (01:30):
And when do you go on?
Speaker 8 (01:32):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Well, my pre show starts in two hours, so I've
got time.
Speaker 7 (01:36):
So are you going to be eating a lot before
you go on?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
You've seen this.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Show like, there's no way I can eat a lot
in front of course, not I have.
Speaker 7 (01:45):
Your usual what's your usual pre show meal?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Hoggin'daw's chocolate chocolate chip ice cream.
Speaker 7 (01:53):
That's my favorite flavor.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Get out.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Swear to God, have you been a vivili in Florence?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
No?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Do you want to go?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I'd love to.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
They make a chocolate chocolate chip gelato.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
That's even better than the hogin. You will want to
move there?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, wait a minute, you're saying that you eat ice
cream before you go on.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I'm pulling your leg, dude, there is no way I
could eat a pint of chocolate chocolate chip before I
do that show.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
I didn't think you ate a pint.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
But what do you eat?
Speaker 7 (02:27):
You have to have some energy.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I have to stop around four o'clock, I see, because
of all the dancing and the singing, and if you
put too much in your stomach, your diaphragm doesn't work
very well for singing, and something could happen, and something
could happen and.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It has so, so you are not going to rush
to the Gritz cafe right now where we had where
we had brunch on. Somebody feed fill of the Vegas episode.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I'm still I'm still trying to digest it.
Speaker 7 (02:53):
I understand that is not a light. No, guys, oh
light breakfast.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Guys, I got to tell you something. I'm not a
cat lover, but when you forced me, well I forced
is a kind of a strong word. You held you down,
Well you almost did, would have? Yeah, and uh it
was unbelievably good. Yes, yeah, it was a.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Very clean tasting right.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
You didn't if someone told you it was chicken, you
believe it?
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well? Yeah no, but but what didn't they didn't the
coating remind you of a good fried chickens.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (03:27):
That's a great place. She's so great. We should go back.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
We should. It was so good. It was too much,
it was too much food.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Absolutely well, welcome to my world exactly. That's you're the
you're I got, I got, I got a question to
see it.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
I can hardly wait to see it. But I have
a question for you. You've traveled the world. Yeah, you've
been asked this question before, but I have to hear
it from your lips. The best food, the best place
you've ever gone?
Speaker 7 (03:55):
Oh, well, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
This season in addition to Vegas, which is, by the way,
world class restaurant town. Yeah, on the strip, off the strip,
as you saw, right, we went to the Basque country
in Spain. After we shot Las Vegas, we went to
San Sebastian, which is one of the food capitals of
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the world, and thus food in Spain is David, you've.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Had I've never been to Spain, but I kind of
like the music. No, I have been to Spain. It's amazing.
Absolutely have you been.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Is it as good as the rain in Spain?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
The rain in Spain?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
You know where that I'm just talking mainly.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
I went to Madrid one time, years and years ago.
I haven't been back to Spain since. But this was
back in the seventies and I went to a bullfight.
Oh no, that I'm not doing I'm never doing that again.
It's brutal right, that's it was ridiculous, sad, it's it's
I had to leave. I'm never going to do that again.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I did not have that experience. I'm actually thankful. But
I did have food poisoning in Barcelona from Kayeia that
I still WinCE a little when I think of This.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Is not an ad for Spain. This one gets as
the barbaric bullfight. He gets food poisoned. No, I'm telling you,
I've had some of the best food of my life
in Spain.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I gotta go.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Italy, Italy. Okay, and two of my sons. Two of
my sons lived over in Italy for two years. They
served missions for our church over there, and so I
went over there to see them. Oh my goodness. City
now Rome and we went up to Patava up north
went and those are the two of the main places.
But when my wife and I landed there long flight,
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were jet lagged, and we were just roaming the streets.
We found this little hole in the wall restaurant. We thought, okay,
they they probably got some food. Oh my goodness, it
was unbelievable, yes, it just and then we went and
got gelatto. Yes, that's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Yes, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Isn't it amazing when you like a food and you
go to the source of that food that it's better
the source.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Now, you guys would know this, just I should know this.
I'm not a connoisseur of food. But when they overcook
the spaghetti becomes mushy. But they undercook it, it's too crunchy.
But there's a there's a fine line in between the two.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
What's al dente.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
That's it al dente and that means to the tooth.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, to the tooth.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
He managed you briefly al Dente.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yeah, I remember him. Yeah, he had great teeth. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So I have to ask about your show. Maybe you know,
there's been a lot of discussion on the upside and
downside of AI, but it seems like one big upside
is whatever you have added to your show. I hear
all these exciting things. Can you tell us you know,
how did you end up singing with Is it your
fourteenth year old self? It's like the year after your barmitzvah.
(07:00):
It's a vision of yourself.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
We didn't see this we no, no, you hadn't seen
this part. I've added. I've added so much to the
show since you saw. There's a company called Zero Space
in New York. I did a lot of vetting out.
I found this company. They do a lot of AI
stuff for feature films and things like that. So I thought,
and this was a two year in the making concept
(07:22):
that I had in the back of my mind. I thought,
I've got to be able to sing with myself when
I'm fourteen, because I was fourteen when I recorded puppy Love.
Wouldn't it be cool if I could sing poppy love
with myself?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And that's exactly what happens. It starts on a screen
and we start talking to each other and I call
him D fourteen D fourty. He asked me, hey, while
you're here, you want to sing puppy Love with me?
I said, let's do it. And so we start singing
this and when it gets to the course, dun dun, dun, dun, dun,
dun dun, I cry, it's night. The screen shuts off,
the stage lights up, the curtains open up, and he's
(07:56):
standing next to me. What It's not a hologram. It's
called a hollow box. It's different technology. And I've been
doing this ever since we added it, I think in
March or February of this year. And you guys, it
doesn't get old. I did five nights a week here
in Vegas, and the gasps and the ohs and ooze
(08:17):
I get hear from the audience when the curtain opens up.
It's like, this is incredible. And I'm looking at myself
singing with myself fifty three years ago.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
Oh my gosh, And is it?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Was?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It a grandson of yours who helped in this creative art.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yes, so I sent zero Space hundreds of pictures of
me when I was fourteen, So it's literally my face.
I took old interviews and things like that, and it's
literally my voice, but it's my grands.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
They took a performance from then.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
No old recordings and things like that. So when he's sang,
it was actually my voice. He was triggering my voice.
And even when he's talking, he's triggering my fourteen year
old voice. Wow, it's really my voice, it's really my face,
but it's my grandson Daxton's body.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You understand you're replacing You're literally replacing yourself.
Speaker 7 (09:08):
They're going to say, you know who we don't need
is that guy?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
That's what I'm trying to do. So I could a
lot of I could stay home and let my holograms
do it.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
That's isn't that's the way of the world now. It
is that show business seems to be falling apart because
of this.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Now a lot of people who are listening aroun now
they're going to say, now, this is dangerous stuff. And yes,
it's dangerous stuff. I was reading. I was reading an
article this morning where some of these AI robots are
rewriting the code so that creators can't shut them down.
That's the bad part.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
Okay, determinator that's determined.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
What's the what's it called it? I just saw the
Mission Impossible movie, Last Reckoning. What do they call it?
The the AI entity entity? So we're really living the
entity right now. And so I'm watching Donnie Osmond sing
with Donnie Osmond, and I'm thinking, we're watching the I'm
working with the entity.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
You have a look at your your hollobox version of
you and go, You're gonna destroy me, aren't you.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Well, here's the thing, and we we went through this
dynamic when sequencers came in and and Dawes digital audio workstations.
Everybody thought it's the end of music, and to a
large extent, it was. Well it it allowed a lot
of bad creators to create bad music. But look what
(10:32):
has happened to the music industry since the beginning of
digital technology. It's gotten even better because we use it
as a tool. The reason I'm taking you through this
little exercise, I'm using AI as a tool as we
all should. That's right. Yes, there's bad size to everything.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
We got guardrails on it, so it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
It's right, and my guardrail is the plug. I just
unplug him, right, No, it's you gotta see this.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
It's amazing, I gotta tell you. Like I do, try
to think of the upsides, and one of the upsides
is watching my own sons discover music in a streaming
world where they can find anything. And I was a
kid who hunted in record stores to find things, and
like for me on the way here, I have since
we had our episodes in Vegas with your fans, which
(11:25):
was amazing of the podcast, I've just fallen back in love,
especially with the records, the Osman's records, like and I'm
sort of so in awe of all of your brothers,
Like and I know you lost Wayne, which I'm We're
very sorry, thank your lost, but I'm kind of struck
(11:46):
how great the brothers were, Like there was am I
right because on the way here I literally got teared
up singing along to Love Me for a Reason, which
is one of my favorite songs ever.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Anyone in the car with you teared up too.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
But uh yeah, do you uh uh am I wrong that?
Like the brothers, and there was so much talent it
is deep in that group.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
It's funny you should bring up that song because since
Wayne's passing, I used that song as a tribute to him.
And what's interesting is that I use my brother's vocals live.
When I sing it live, I actually sing with my brothers. Well, yeah,
it's it's kind of cool because and it's very melancholy
(12:33):
for me because I remember, you know, nowadays you've got
every in these boy bands, everyone's got a mic, everyone's
records separately. We did one take with one mic. You know,
we just surrounded a mic and we harmonized and balanced
acoustically on the fly. And when I hear these because
you remember the request segment in my show where the
(12:54):
audience I can ask for any song. The other night,
somebody asked for He's my brother. It was on our
first album, the Bad Apple Album. And I got a
little for clemth I mean, because I remember recording that
around a microphone one take.
Speaker 9 (13:10):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
But that also made you better live that you could
do that.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
I think so, Yeah, I really think so, because of
the amount of hours you guys in the rehearsal hall
and in the studio creating music and things like that. Yes,
and I think I mentioned this to you on the
on our podcast. The music that we created was you know,
the Crazy Horses and Loved Me for a Reason and
(13:35):
down by Lazy River, all that one, Bad Apple. Those
are really really cool songs, R and B, rock and roll,
all that stuff. And I was at the same time
recording Puppy Love and Go Away Little Girl, completely the
other end of the spectrum, you know, the bubble gum,
and then I'd go on the other in the studio,
the other studio and record rock and roll. It was
such a crazy time in my life, and I was
recording the spectrum of different genres of music. So well, yeah,
(14:01):
and I'm really grateful for those experiences because of the
experience of recording different styles of music. So it's kind
of cool.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But that sounds like like the music business at its best.
You really do think the music business is better now?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I do, well, the spectrums have broadened. Like I said earlier,
there's been a lot of bad music with a lot
of bad writers using technology. But look at what like
Jacob Collier has done with technology.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Yeah, he's amazing.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
I mean, just different artists. Look what Harry Styles has done.
I love some of the production of Harry and that
kind of music couldn't have been possible back in the
seventies without the digital realm. So there's positives negatives to everything.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
What about the business itself, because I feel like all
of show business seems to be going away, because the
the big companies are going for the cheapest possible way
to make money and they don't care about quality, and
they don't care about human connections.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
You don't feel that.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
I don't feel that that's good. Yeah, I don't, because
I think it's given a lot more opportunity for a
lot more artists. Again, I'm going to reiterate there's a
lot of garbage, yes, but there's been a lot, always been,
always been garbage. You know, the things are terrible. You know,
everybody looks back at the pass and say it was
the you know, the seventies with the best decade. I
happen to say that too, because music was very, very
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real and.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
We're both obsessed with seventies seventies.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Oh yeah, of of every form of entertainment, yeah, use me, movies, TV,
that seemed to be the height. And it's not just
because we grew up all of us in it.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
It just seems to be better when you wait.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
When I go and throw on an old movie from
the seventies, I'm like, why can't we make these movies
about with a great story, great action, great people.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
You know, movies about people?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Right, they're running out of ideas. They're kind of they're
kind of kind of redoing the same ideas over and
over again with a little bit of a twist. It's
just the times we live in, and we were very
fortunate to grow up in a time when songs and
music was extremely extremely real. James Taylor, give me a
James Taylor song anytime. Stevie, give me a Stevie song anytime, right,
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Diane Warren, even Diane Warren stuff. You get into the
lyrics and stuff like that, it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
We did a benefit with James Taylor together a few
years ago and we were both like like little children,
so excited to just we were in a room alone
when he was rehearsing, and it's like still, it's like
he's he's not sweet baby James anymore, but he's still
he's still just artists. Those songs are absolutely forever.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
But what's interesting about this conversation that we're having is
that somebody years from now are going to say that
about Bruno Mars.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, Harry Gold, many years from now.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
If there is a world, yes, but it's all generations.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
He's actually tapping into that feeling exactly.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
And but you better believe he's using technology. But what's
great about the artists like that and singers like Duey Lipa's.
It comes out very real, but there's a lot of
production happening behind it.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yes, we got I actually put out for people to
send in a few questions, and here's one from a
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friend who's a get a friend of ours who's been
a guest on the show, Jeffrey Sherman, who is the
son of one of the Sherman brothers I know, And
he said, ask Donnie if he remembers working with me,
my dad, uncle and his brother Jimmy back in nineteen
eighty four, nineteen e on the Enchanted Musical Playhouse for
Disney Channel. I still have and cherished the recording Donnie
(18:06):
made for fun of one of the songs I wrote
for the ten Soldier episode called Stand Tall. Please send
him my regards and love to Donnie and his truly
lovely family. They were fun times.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, talented family. Oh my goodness, I don't remember recording
I saw. I'd love to hear that, but yeah, great
times working with them. Should Sherman brothers, you bet you? Yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
They wrote so many of the Disney classics. I just
went to Walt Disney's office with him and it was
so amazing to sort of like h But speaking of
great shows and and musicals, you right now, I believe
we're recording this just before you go on your summer vacation,
your your your show will be back. I think August twenty.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Six, I think end of August.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, and it's you come back.
Speaker 10 (18:56):
You.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
As far as as a fan and semi friend, you
have been working so hard in recent years. I believe
last summer you did a big tour across the country
bringing sort of the Vegas Show to everybody. I believe
this winter because I got to talk since we did
the podcast, you were off doing Joseph becoming in in
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their role, and I got to sort of semi collaborate
and have fun with you a little bit. That can
you tell us about what your experience was going and
doing Joseph and changing parts?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
So Phil, did he tell you what we did? What?
So Andrew led Weber wanted me to come back to
Joseph in the Amazing Technical Other Dream Code as the Pharaoh,
not Joseph Ah. So I went over to Edinburgh and
I we talked to each other several times and came
up with some really funny lines and.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Came up with all the funny lines.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
But no, no, no, no, you contributed to some really
cool stuff. But what you don't know is that when
I got there, the director and I started talking, and
long story short, he said, Donnie, do whatever you want
to do, Say whatever you want to say. Make it
up every night if you want to. And I did.
I made it up every night. They didn't have any
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idea what I was gonna do one night.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Make it more exciting for you.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
It was. It made it exciting for everybody because the
cast didn't know what I was doing. Joseph didn't know
what I was gonna do. The narrator. So one night
we had a deaf interpreter on stage, which means a
lot to me because my two oldest brothers are deaf.
So she's up on stage left and I'm going doing
almost stuff. I do my my lines and everything, and
I look over her and said hello, old baby, and
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I can hear the cast saying, oh, no, what's he
gonna do? What's he gonna do? So and I start
walking towards her and I said, how are you doing, baby?
You're looking good tonight? Yeah, And I look at the eyes.
She's doing a good job, isn't she? Yes? And I said, baby,
interpret this and I started wiggling my head. First everybody
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the cast fell on the floor, lord laughing the guts out.
She got all embarrassing. I grab she wouldn't do it, Oh,
she wouldn't do it. So I grabbed her hits, come on, babe,
lighting up, blating up, and it was so much, David,
I wish you could have seen it.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Are you the only person that Sir Andrew Lloyd Weber
ever gave you know, any kind of permission to go
go crazy?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
When I was doing Joseph Opening Night, I was singing
closed every door for we know we shall fine. There's
a very high note wasn't written. And Phil Reno, my director, said,
don't sing that because Andrew didn't write it. I said,
but it's a cool note. He said, don't do it,
and Andrew, Look, Webber is going to be here opening night,
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don't do it. So I'm up there. Everything's going great,
the audience is going crazy and everything. Andrew Lloyd Webber
sitting right there in front, and I'm singing, closing every
door there for we know we shall fine. I went
for it. Oh if looks could you, Phil Reno would
have killed me right there. And at the very at
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the end of the show, he comes backstage into my
dressing room. He said, Donnie, you sang a note and
I thought, oh, no, here it comes. He said, I
didn't write that, but it was really good. Keep it in.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
So Donny Osmond.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
So it's the Donnie note. So if any Joseph in
the future sings that note, that's my note. Baby.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
We have we have a big guest star right here.
Monica Rosenthal. I think, having heard Monica has come into
the room.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
What's up.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Right at that moment when you first had the note?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Then told this right now? How are you?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yes, guys Monica from Raymond?
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yes, I do I do you have Sarto? You know
you haven't You haven't seen my show? Got her?
Speaker 7 (23:02):
Yeah, she's coming, I'm gonna bring her.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Don't date yourself, Monica.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
What did you say? You cut out?
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Got a hip replacement.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Well you're more Hypno.
Speaker 9 (23:11):
That's right, I have a hip or wife.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, yes, I'm gonna take you to eat.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
And by the way, you didn't catch the first part
of the conversation. I actually sing with my fourteen year
old self on stage. Oh, it's all done through Ai.
It's it's crazy. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
The episode.
Speaker 11 (23:34):
I've gotten to see the Vegas episode and you're fantastic.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Thank you. We had so much fun you guys, it
was a blast.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Thank you for talking to my friend Sarah Jane.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Oh yeah, no problem. Just don't tell my wife.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
But I might have to bring her to Vegas.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Too, Okay, you bring it.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
You've got to see the show.
Speaker 7 (23:59):
I'll the show is great.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Everyone everyone watching and listening.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
I know, sorry, go ahead, everyone watching.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
And listening has to see Donnie show in Vegas. It's
really fun and he's just amazing. Great singer, great dancer.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Great.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
I mean, like, I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Say the word old but old school show business.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Yeah is that okay to say?
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Well? What's interesting is and Phil you're I mean, David,
you were talking about it earlier, about the touring and
all that kind of stuff. Uh, you got to work
hard in this business, yes, because in order to stay relevant.
And there's a lot of younger people coming to my
show now, whether it's through social media or whatever. Maybe
it's a great show. Well it's it's really really interesting.
(24:42):
So what I've done is I keep updating the show
because I get three pete and four pete and five
peat business to the show. People keep coming back. And
I added something else. I don't think it was in
the show when you guys saw it, but we had
a hit over in the UK in the early seventies
called We're Having a Part, And I got this idea
from Coldplay, and they didn't do it right. They threw
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these big, big beach balls into the audience that lit
up and they would just blink. And I called the
company who did it for them. I said, guys, I
wanted to sync to the lighting on stage. I said,
well that's cool, our program doesn't do that. I said, well,
can you rewrite your program? So they called the guys
in China and Germany rewrote the software for me to
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do all that. So now what I do is I
take these beach balls and I throw thirty forty of
them in the audience. You guys, the place goes berserk
during this song, totally berserk.
Speaker 11 (25:43):
It's so much creativity, right, So it's not just having
the talent, it's not just having that stamina.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
It's that also that other muscle. You're a producer, what you.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Have to I mean, you've got to keep updating and
staying with the times to stay relevant, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
You know. The show was directed by Raj Kapor, who
I work with on the Grammys. Do you talk Do
you talk through changes with Raj? Or No?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Every time, even this AI thing that I'm doing, he
flew in to double check everything. He said, It's fine
with me, baby, Yeah, the guy is so talented. I mean,
the structure what we call in the business, the arc
of the show has done so well. It's not a
travelogue and then I did this and then I did that. No,
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it's just all over the place and the dynamics of
the show. It comes down when it should, it comes
up when it should. The tribute to Andy Williams that
I do, that's that's a tear jerker. Really. Yeah. When
I sing a duet with.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Andy and Andy started him when I was five.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
When I was starting to say though that after all
this incredible, NonStop work. I understand you might be taking
a little bit of a summer break for a change
and going into your garden. Is this can can you
do you miss the thrill of your show? Or can
you enjoy a few months.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Singing and dancing for five minutes?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I will be singing and dancing in my garden. No,
you know what, we should do an episode in my garden.
Somebody feed fill and Donnie's garden because it's going to
be the most unbelievable organic garden. And I'm going to
be updating my uh my social media here soon. It's
I'm running fiber optics so I can put cameras and
watch the plants grow over time. It's I control everything
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on my phone, water certain plants if they need it.
It's it's going to be unbelievable, high tech, like you
can't believe.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
And where is this?
Speaker 4 (27:40):
This is provo utah ah.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
And what's the weather like there in the summer?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Oh it's perfect. Oh yeah, it's perfect.
Speaker 7 (27:46):
Not too hot?
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Well in July, yeah it gets a little warm. Right now.
It's absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Hold on, but not Vegas hot.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Oh no, no.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Provo utah would be a good. Somebody feed fill Season nine.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Have you done Utah?
Speaker 7 (28:01):
I haven't.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Utah would be good.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
Well, you know what other than your garden?
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Other than my garden? Yeah, well, you know that's funny.
When you live in a place, you really don't go
out that much. So my wife she can. Folks, you'd
fixture some food from my garden. And then I built
this fire pit in my yard that is surrounded by
pine trees, and I have all these waterfalls that surround
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a three hundred and sixty degrees almost in the firepit.
You feel like you're up in the mountains.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
That's nice.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yeah, it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Since we're we have Monica here, and this is for
both of you. How do your wives and Monica, how
do you handle the fact that everyone is in love
with the husband's How does your wife, Donnie handle like
you go to your show and everybody is in love
with you?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
You know?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
But I got to imagine she's gotten pretty used to
it and pretty and knows how to my wife when
occasionally someone comes up and likes something I've done, is
annoyed and confused, and I can I think that's appropriate.
But for you too, first, Donnie, for your wife, how
do you think she handles and interprets it.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
I don't know how she does it, but she does.
I mean when I was on Dancing with the Stars,
for instance, you know, you're dancing intimately with your dance partner,
and it's got to be hard on your wife, and
it really really is. It really was. But I don't
know how she's done it over the years because my
audience is primarily predominantly female, and when I do the
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request segment, they want those twelfth of Never and all
those love songs sung to them. And I married an
incredible woman. I just I'm a lucky man. I'm married up.
In fact, I don't know if I told you this,
but I found her when she was dating my brother. Oh,
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she was dating my brother Jay, and I stole her
from him.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
Wow. Yeah, how did that J do?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
How did your relationship with Jay change it?
Speaker 4 (30:06):
We haven't spoken since. I'm kidding. I'm getting no, it's fine.
But what's really ironic is I was dating this girl
named Tammy. There was I was in love with at
the time, and we went to an Elton John concert.
We double dated. Jay took out my wife Debbie. I
was dating Tammy and I remember when Elton sat down saying,
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it's a little bit funny. I look over at my
brother's date and I thought to myself, I'm going to
marry that girl someday and I did.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Yeah, And I told Elton John the story and I said,
you're responsible for my marriage.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
That's amazing, that's fantastic. I have the exact same story.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
But the cool twist of it is that Jay started
dating Tammy, but she didn't He didn't marry her. Oh yeah, yeah,
didn't work out both.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Don't you think I'm exactly like Donnie Osmond when I'm
out there.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Yes, And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 12 (31:04):
Because the reason the wives and I think your wife too,
we love it is because you.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
They can love are great.
Speaker 12 (31:19):
Like the people who love you, the people who love
him across the board, the men, the women, the children, everybody.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
There's something that you guys bring.
Speaker 12 (31:29):
There's an energy and a light and love that you
guys bring that it doesn't cross over into that ew.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah, you don't want to cross over to the EU.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Trying to cross over into you, and I just can't
get in.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
If you Phil, Phil, Phil, I've seen some of the
things you eat, and you do cross over to Yeah,
(32:07):
tell me.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
If this is your philosophy, because I think it's mine
and what I've learned in and I've been doing this
show business a little less than you. If you put
nice out, you get nice back.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
You know that's true to a certain extent. And I
gotta be careful how I say this. Sometimes too much
nice can can bite in the shorts because people will
take advantage of you because you're too nice.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I spoke to Tom Hanks once. He had the greatest advice.
He says, when I'm in a meeting, right, and he's
known as as the nicest man in show business.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Right, he's tied with Henry Winkler.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, when he feels like they're trying to pull something
on him, Okay, yeah, he says. He stops the meeting
and he says, gentlemen, you cannot take advantage of my
good nature.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I love that.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
Isn't that fantastic?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
That's always in the back of my mind. Nice doesn't
mean stupid.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
No, No, you have to you have to draw a line.
And I love to create a family atmosphere if you're
on stage, even with the crew, everyone, even the employees.
I know him on first name basis, and but they
know when I hit the stage, I give one hundred
and ten percent, they better to do it as well.
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And they do. You know, you have to set the standard. Yes,
and everybody comes to that, to the party with that standard.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Yes, and I give my thirty.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I feel we have to talking about the standards. Monica
did did? Did Phil? Still you from Richard? Do we do?
We have any sort of parallel situation?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Now you're input, Now you're into oo territory.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Yeah, that's got there.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Anytime you mentioned Richard, I say you a little bit.
There was a there was a moment when we flashed
back to how Ray and Deborah first met and Deborah
shows up at their door and Robert answers the door
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and likes her immediately, and he says hello, and she says, hi,
is your brother here?
Speaker 4 (34:34):
It's funny you should bring up Ray.
Speaker 11 (34:37):
Yeah, because you said Robert, like he said at one point,
you know, everybody thinks he's so great and everything, and
like maybe if something happened to me, you would want
to be with Ray.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
And Amy goes.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Ray, you know what do you know? I worked with Ray.
I did an episode of Hannah on and Ray was
with me yes, I was an auctioneer and Ray was
auctioning off a golf game with him or something like that,
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and Miley was auctioning a dinner off with her, and
it was so funny.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
Some degrees is separated by the way.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I don't know if, like, do you ever look at
like Miley as someone who, like you, grew up in
this business and she hit some I get bumpy times, maybe,
but like I was listening to her new record, her
new album, It is so Beautiful, Life's Great. She is
so great, and I just think, like I, do you
(35:39):
do you ever look at these people who've come through
the business, and you know, how do you feel about
someone like Miley, who you clearly probably saw as a
little girl on that set?
Speaker 4 (35:49):
Well, you have to you can't deny the fact that
she's reinvented herself and she's taken the very similar path
that I've gone through, because Hannah Montana was, you know, cutesy, cutesy,
and she's overcome all that. I had to do the
same thing with Puppy Love. But the way I did
it is that, unlike Miley, I went back and embraced
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the Puppy Love era. I sing it and I enjoy
it because that's what I sing with my ai self,
but it took a long time for me to look
back and embrace it because that's what I was trying
to get away from when Soldier of Love came out.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Well, it's interesting you say that. This morning, there's a
big podcast out right now where she I think it's
called Miley Album, My Album or something like that. She
went through all of the old Hannah Montana records and
talked about what she and I think.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Literally, oh, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
And it was two and a half hours of her
being really embracing her past and like saying this I
didn't like, but this was wonderful. And I think that's
an amazing thing moment for someone like her because the
truth is, like, there's that song the Climb, which was
in that early.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Era one of my favorite songs.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
A song, it's just simply a great song.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Yep. So yeah, that's one of my favorite songs is
with the Climb.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
This is a question from a guy named Phil Dracman Mocker.
I hope I didn't square that up. He wrote The
first album I ever owned was The Osmond's Crazy Horses.
David Phil Donnie and I'm gonna add Monica. What was
the first music you can remember spending your money on?
And I'll say you mentioned Nelton John a minute ago.
I remember the day my mom took me to a
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mall and said you can buy two records and I
think they were good Bye Yellow Bick Road and you
Don't mess around with Jim By Jim Crochy, two albums
I still listen to all the time. Yeah, and Love.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
My first record was a mussity my first forty five
I bought That's great.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
And that's when I think I bought the Monkeys album.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Did you really? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:51):
You actually? You can confess to Donnie. You also lied
about the Monkeys in your school.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
I did.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I wanted to be more popular, so I told old
people that Mickey Dolan's was my cousin when I was
six years old.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Why not? Why not? We're all related in some you
go back far enough we are.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
We all go back to the Monkeys. Ironically, you know that.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
That's why you're a comedy writer, David.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
It all come from what was your You could come
up with the mic or else we won't hear what
was your first album?
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Really thinking? Because I was never a music purchaser.
Speaker 11 (38:27):
However, I think the first forty five that I really
was obsessed with was Wipeout and the.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
Had an older brother.
Speaker 11 (38:39):
Yeah, maybe the first album I was, like, I said,
very late to have any money and very late.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
It was Barry Manilol. Yeah, the first person I ever
saw in concert.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Yeah. I can't smile with the yeah, but that was
see that. There's another interesting name that has dealt with
image issues, right. You know Barry Manilow in a lot
of people's minds that he's got so many closet fans.
But I'll be the first one to say, yeah, I
think Barry is such a talented writer course and record
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his the way he marketed himself, and great songs. In fact,
my wife is in love with him. She was watching a.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
What an irony You're dining Osmond and you have to
deal with your wife being Harry Manlow.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
But it was she was watching a YouTube special of him,
and so I sat down and watched it, and I
watched him. It's an old one. I think it was
done in the eighties or something like that, and he
worked the stage properly. Not the greatest dancer in the world,
but he worked it properly, and and the way he sang,
and it was just amazing talent.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
Connected with the audience.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I remember this special. I think you were talking about
the same one from HBO maybe where they used to
tape everything, right, right? Did you have an HBO special
back in the seventies.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
I don't remember having one of those. No, they taped
a lot of stuff we did. We did, Oh you
know what, we did an ABC special? Yeah, when when
that Apple came out.
Speaker 7 (40:10):
We were on ABC all the time.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Yeah, I can't remember now, it's it's a couple hundred
years ago.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
I wrote the liner notes for Barry the Ultimate Mattilow CD.
So I'm out there, very talented and you know, a
great songwriter.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I will get a commercial jingle background.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Oh yes, but he does that in concert. It's like,
you gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Do you you? You know you're voted most every year.
It seems like best show, best residency. Do you run
into the other people on like we had Thank God
Carrie Underwood, who had a very successful residency sort of
across the street at Resorts World. She did the intro
for our podcast episode if you miss that. She's a
fan of yours, but you get to run into these
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other people when they're doing their residency or are you
all working at the exact.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
We're all working the same time. I mean, and it's
ironically you should bring that up. Last night I called
Chris Angel because we've known each other and we just
chewed the fat for a little bit. And just and
the other night, I got a call from Pendulette Penniteller.
He calls me up and says, Donnie, I said, yeah,
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I hate penn I hate you. What did I do now? Pen?
He said, I have been trying to figure out how
to incorporate this hulla box technology into my act and
you beat me to it.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Really, yeah, now doing that that's not inexpensive process, right.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
No, I got to play here for the next twenty
years just to pay.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
By the way, talking about here and since the episode
of Somebody If You'd Phil is Vegas, which again it's
out today, the day that we're putting this episode out,
I have not seen it. Donnie has not seen it.
Phil won't let us see it.
Speaker 7 (41:58):
No, Phil, it's actually one of my favorite episodes.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Seriously.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, but Vegas, you you literally part of your growing
up in show business. You've been playing Vegas for half
a century.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
I think I started in Vegas in sixty it would
be sixty.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Five, sixty years. That's sixty years. Oh yeah, so you know,
and so you've literally seen the town be the Elvistown,
the Sinatra town, the you know, all of it. Share
What are your first memories of Vegas? Like? What is
your when you think about going there for the first time.
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Was it a scary thing? Was it an exciting place
to be, strange place to be? What do you what
do you remember?
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Show girls?
Speaker 7 (42:46):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Always a good thing.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Oh seriously, I got to tell you an experience. First
hotel I played that was Sahara and it was we
opened for Shirley Bassie and every once in a while
Mickey Rooney would come in and do it spot and
before us was this these showgirls. And I shouldn't disclose this,
but I'm seven eight years old something like that, and
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I'm backstage waiting for my turn to go on with
my brothers. And I didn't know this, but I'm standing
in front of this big mirror and the showgirl comes
up and starts fixing her costume and looking in the mirror,
and I thought she was doing this in front of me.
I'm seven years.
Speaker 7 (43:31):
On the What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (43:36):
She was getting her costume ready to walk out on stage,
and I didn't know there was a mirror behind me.
So for a seven year old kid, that's kind of
like you know PTSD and then WHOA? What was that?
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Do you do? You have memories of you do remember Elvis?
Like actually talking to Elvis. That's an incredible You're the
only person I know has that member.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Really. First time was at the International which is now Westgate.
It was the Hilton prior to that was the International,
and I remember watching his closing night and he was
on fire on stage and Ronnie Tutt on the drums
and the band was amazing. Audience was just so into it.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
What year would this have been, seventy.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
One or two?
Speaker 7 (44:24):
So a little near the end.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Yeah, And we were opening up the next day and
I remember being in his dressing room twenty four hours later,
about ten minutes before the show starts. The door opens
up and in walks Elvis. He's harvybody, Elvis Presley, And
I remember, as a fourteen year old, this is what effect?
This is what I remember. I remember thinking, why are
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you introducing yourself the world? Knows your name. You know,
you could just say hi, I'm Elvis, but you said
Elvis Presley, or just hi, just high or not even anything,
just walk in. But it was so strange for me
because twenty four hours earlier there was a monster on
stage right and this real gentle giant walks in says hi,
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I'm Elvis Presler. It was just the juxtaposition in my
mind of those two characters.
Speaker 7 (45:14):
Wow, why he says hi, I'm Elvis Presley.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Is there a little sense of humor behind it? Or
is he just the nicest guy in the world and
just doesn't assume that everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Who that is?
Speaker 4 (45:27):
A humble man.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
If you have not read There's two of the greatest
books ever written are biographies by Peter Gromick about Elvis
and Yes, if you read it small. The thing that
I fell in love with was his decency. His There
was like a sweetness and sensitivity that gets lost in
all of the you know sometimes and in the stardom.
It made me love him even more. By the way,
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we were talking about Barry Manilow that one of the
questions came in from Susan Debao, Dbao, do you remember Susan.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
I know the name, and I can't read the place
he wrote.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
When I was eight years old, I wrote Donnie the
only fan letter I've ever written. I wrote him how
much I loved him and his music, and I said
in the letter, you make me feel so bloated. I
I'd heard my mother say she was bloated. I had
no idea what it meant. Years later, he found out
about it through a mutual friend, and he prank called me.
He then became a client of Bragman Nyman Cafarelli.
Speaker 4 (46:22):
Oh my goodness, Yes, And I think.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
I met Barry Manilow through Susan, and I would blush
whenever I saw him. Saw him in concert about a
year ago in Jacksonville, and was able to introduce him
to my daughter. I've seen I see him and I
just laugh. So I thought it might be fun to
ask him, what are some of the funniest things that
fans have said to you? Pretty sure I'm the only
one who ever said you make me feel bloated?
Speaker 7 (46:45):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
And the name of Donnie's next song, by the way, Yes,
you make me.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
Feel so blotted. I don't know if I should disclose
this but I will anyway. So I received a lot
of interesting requests, and I do a pre show before
every show, and it's it's just a very small thirty
maybe thirty or forty people as all, and it's Q
(47:13):
and a stories, uh sing, I sing songs, all that
kind of stuff for about forty five minutes and then
we take pictures. And this one night, this lady says, uh,
I just want to say something, Donnie. I said, sure,
go ahead. It says I'm not very well. I'm having
kidney failure. And I said, I'm so sorry. He says,
(47:36):
my question is can I have one of your kidneys?
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Oh that's a big that's what we call a big ask.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Yeah, I said, oh, you you wanted the three hundred
thousand dollars pre show. Well, no, it's like and she
was serious, and I wasn't about to make a joke
about it because I didn't want to embarrass her. But
I had to diffuse it somehow, and I said, well,
I've got sixteen grandkids and wings waiting for mine, so
I've have already been spoken for.
Speaker 7 (48:06):
Great answer, but it was.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
It was sad. But it's shocking in a way that
somebody would ask for my kidney.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Wow, that is asked.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
I've never I told you not to ask me that.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
I wouldn't even ask for you to get me liver
for dinner.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Okay, and actually we we actually have to go soon too.
Speaker 6 (48:31):
Next time in Vegas or here in our house. You
and your whole family are welcome.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Yes, okay, thank you, mom. Let me know what you're here.
I'll get you the best seat in the house.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Oh isn't that nice? Donnie Osmond, everybody.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
And last question, because that's my my brother in law
sent this question. Asked Donnie what it was like to
be featured in a weird al video. We've never had
weird weird now On I know him, I know, I
don't and I would love to know him.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
I know him very very well. We did a video together.
It's called Well I'll take you, give you the full story.
You got to have him on. The guy is so
intellectually amazing, right, he's a genius.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
Yes, so weird though.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Yeah, you have to be to do the kind of
stuff that he does. But he's so good at he's
so talented. So he called me up and he said, Donnie,
are you familiar with the band Chamellionaire. I said, oh, yeah,
do you know the song Ride and Dirty? I said, oh,
I know it very well. I know the video. Yeah. Well,
I wrote a parody of it called white and Nerdy,
and you're the first person I thought of. I said,
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thank you. I think so. He said, can you be
in my video? So I agreed to it, flew down
to Los Angeles. He said, don't choreograph anything. You're gonna
be doing the break dancing behind me and I'll do
the wrapping in front of you. So he said, just
make it up. Improv so White and Irdy. I listened
to the lyrics. I said, okay, I'm going to go
(49:57):
for it. So I start doing this stuff. You guys,
I see the director, the lighting guy, the costume people.
They're like this when I start dancing, and I'm thinking,
I'm really making an idiot out of myself. Up here.
AL can't see any of this, right, So I just
I say, I can either tone it down or go further.
And I went further. After it was all over, everybody
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started dying laughing. Al turns round. I said, what did
you do? I said, I don't know. Let's watch the playback.
So anyway, long story short, the video comes out and
my brother Jay calls me. He says, Donnie, I just
saw the weird al video that you did. You just
destroyed your career. And I said, no, Jay, I just
made my career. So if you get a chance, go
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to YouTube and look out white and nerdy, green screen
Take one.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
We're going to put it on right after this.
Speaker 4 (50:51):
It's got to be green Screen Take one.
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Well, Donnie, I want to say, you know, when we
asked you to do the show in Vegas and you
offered us a chance to come to your theater and
all that, I feel like it's we kindled and now
it's the beginning of a friendship that is on Netflix.
So it's really arrived.
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And h and the Least forever forever.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Yeah, and we're always and Laries and I'll always love
Catfish exactly.
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Thank you, Thank you so much for joining us again.
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You've vernank you. Thank you, the garden, thank you. I'll
send you some I'll send you some cauliflower or something nice. Bye, guys, thank.
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