Gavin Rossdale of Bush & "Dinner With Gavin Rossdale"

Somebody Feed Gavin! Phil & David happily welcome Gavin Rossdale, the famed frontman of the band Bush and host of his own tasty new conversational cooking show "Dinner With Gavin Rossdale." Gavin shares great stories about music, food, family and life. Bush's new album, "I Beat Loneliness" is out on Friday July 18th. For more on Bush's music and tour dates, go here: https://www.bushofficial.com. To learn more about building community through food and "Somebody Feed the People," visit the Philanthropy page at philrosenthalworld.com. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Let's build the beans to the fat. Food for thought,
jokes on tap, talking with our mouthsful, having fun with
the peace of cake and humble pie, serving up slass lovely.
The dressing on the side. It's naked lunch.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Clothing optional.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Well, hi everybody, Hi David.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Hey Phil, it's a it's been a week or so
since we sat and talked Springsteen.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
You you abandoned me.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Yes, I actually went to Boston and then to London
for Wimbledon, but I was I will say the It
was a great trip, except for the morning I was
in Hyde Park listening to Bruce on my phone looking
for directions in Hyde Park and got my iPhone pinched,
which is a major crime now in London.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
That's right, They just past you and take it right
out of your hand, right.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yes, it was a scooter, a guy on a scooter
that come very fast behind you. Yes, sort of push
you grab your phone and go. And I was smart
enough to within like ten seconds later, go, sir, I
think you got my phone, like thinking. He made a
mistake and it was not a mission.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
I like that, you said, sir, because you were in England.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
In retrospect, I'd like to withdraw the sur I don't
think he was knighted. I don't want to knight him by.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
So this happened to me in Saigoon.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Now tell me about that.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
So I was walking down the street and I had
my phone out. I'm looking at my phone and I
have wired ear phones in, and I'm looking to get
back to my hotel. We had just filmed a nice
scene in Saigon for the show. And all of a sudden,
a hand just goes like this and zip out of
my hand, ripped it right out. I'm standing there with

(01:53):
my wired earphones dangling right, cord is dangling, and I turned.
I went hey, like I was outraged, right, and then
I realized what had happened. He come onto the sidewalk
on the scooter right and done it and then gunned
it down the sidewalk.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Were you alone at the malone?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
And I was, so I just started running after him, hey,
and then I realized after about ten steps, first of all,
he was a mile away already, and second, what am
I going to do when.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
I catch him?

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Exactly He's half my age at least, and on a
scooter on a scooter, so I'm not going to catch him.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
And that's it.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
So I ran back to my hotel.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Now, did you have trouble? The interesting thing for me
was I had to figure out, Okay, how do I
get back to him. We've become a stone dependent on
our phones for directions. I fortunately remembered basically the way
to get there, and he two back.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yes, So I got back to my hotel and I
opened my iPad and cancel my phone. Right, you do
all that stuff right, as God forbid.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
They get all your case.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
You have your wife help you do that stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yes, so bad, but it's very important, you know, shut
your phone or erase your phone or whatever it is,
because then I heard that that's what they do anyway,
they erase your phone. They want they wanted to be
a new phone.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
They're not that.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I think they're traceable if they start going after your stuff, right,
so they brick your phone or erase your phone and
then sell it as new. So people, first of all,
don't be on your phone so much. Be aware of
your surroundings whenever you're walking on the street outside and
and uh, I don't know. For the rest of that trip,

(03:37):
I didn't have a phone. And do you know that
I actually what happened to me is what they say
you should do anyway your phone. Now I'm looking around
now and not in you know, I'm enjoying life more.
And of course I couldn't wait to get.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
The new phone when I got home.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
And then I was back to myself again because I'm
an addict, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
I'm well at it in my situation. I went back
to the hotel, woke up my wife, who was thrilled,
as you can imagine, but who helped me out, and
then immediately said, what about tomorrow morning when we go
to Wimbledon? And the thing is like everything in the
world today.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Oh, your tickets.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
It's an app and it was, in fact the last
thing we downloaded into the heather before the thing was stolen.
There was a record of it, yes, but who wants
to be in a foreign country trying to get that done?
So fortunately we went to the Apple store, had a

(04:40):
really lovely guy who helped us out.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Well, it's in the cloud, right, yes, so you can
download it on something or print it out from there.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yes, we did it, and we got to go to
wimon all that, But when you were in Saigon, you
were you all scared by the experience, because I have
to say it was sort of I was a little
shaken up. I've gotten so I've never had a problem.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
I think anytime you're robbed, yes, it's traumatic. Anytime something
takes something of yours that that it's it's a certainly
a violation. It's a you feel like, oh, that's scary.
Someone literally came, not just in my space, but took
my prize position phone.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
It's my whole life, isn't there. Yeah, you freak out.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
And my joke is that for the rest of that
trip I had to use my iPad like an.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Animal, exactly like our ancestors, exactly walking around the caveman.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
But you know, I'm sure this has happened to many
of you. Just losing the phone is traumatic enough, just
because we're so dependent on it, and maybe you know,
this is nature's way of saying, maybe don't be so
dependent on the phone. We all got a round fine
without it.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Do you remember driving around.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Los Angeles before GPSH with the guide on your dashboard.
That's maybe a little more dangerous than the phone.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
I had never driven a car. I never had a
license until the two days before I moved here for
Rolling Stone. And so my first time driving was LA
every day. Yeah, and that Thomas Guide, which was to
explain it was like a giant book where you'd get cross,
you know, you'd look at numbers of two pages and.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Try to where I'm going?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Is G four right in that age eight?

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Yes, and you lift through it and when you're driving.
How did we live?

Speaker 4 (06:29):
I didn't make any It's it's amazing we.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Live, we live.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
This would have been the early nineties, yes, yeah, eighty
nine is when I got here.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
When did you get here?

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Again?

Speaker 4 (06:38):
I got here in ninety one.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, So that's what life was like before GPS, before
the phone. All you youngsters, you don't know how lucky
you have.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
But it is scary after that. It's like because you're
still I was walking around London and you have to
look things up, you know, you have to, and so
I was like taking my phone in like keeping it
on your phone. Yes, friends always smarter, she it was.
It all worked out and it was a great trip,

(07:07):
but it was definitely the low point of the trip.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I'm sorry, Yes, yeah, stuff happens, uh, but you know
I travel a lot, and that's the only time that's
happened to me.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Well, and yeah, as you always say, most people, even
in that situation when we went to an ice store,
a series of people who couldn't wait to help us
out because.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
Yes, we're so lovely most people.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
I do wonder you were in Saigon? Yeah, Now is
that a place where you make a police report?

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Oh my god, that's a whole story. We could do
a whole episode about, because I mean that that was.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
That was.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
I walk into the Saigon police station and one guy
is sitting there. It's a hot it's hot there in Vietnam,
and one guy, uh is sitting in the police station
with his feet up with no shoes or socks.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Right, you know, they want me to fill out a
report and then.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
It turns out i'll cut to the chase. They didn't
want to acknowledge that this happened on their watch.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Oh especially you're there. And did they realize who you were?

Speaker 5 (08:14):
No?

Speaker 3 (08:14):
No, but they they intimated that they were going to
make things difficult for me if I was actually going to.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
File a report.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Oh boy, And I got a little frightened. Actually, yes,
so I let the matter drop. They didn't want these
this precinct, didn't want that crime to have happened in
their precinct exactly, so it's better for them to not
report it. One guy was watching TV or black and

(08:43):
white TV, watching an American show.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
This is recently, was watching black and white TV.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
This was yeah, this was you know when did we
do that show within the last seven years? Yeah, But
I couldn't love Vietnam War. That was an isolated incident.
Everything was wonderful. I love the food, the people.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
What were you listening to at the moment it happened.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
I don't remember, but I was actually looking at my
map to get back to my hotel, and I always
tell the the crew.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
I'm going to walk right.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
That's how you see a place.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
And you know, poor me I was. I was listening
to the Springsteen box set, yes, and it was amazing
when when I got the new phone downloaded, it went
right back to the place in the song.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
So this is the new phone.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yes, did you upgrade? No? I had, Sadly I had
a new phone. So it's just it's just got a
different British accent. I haven't set up Siri, but I
imagine Siri will talk to me in a sexy British accent.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Well, since you've been gone. What did we do?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
We had a lovely July fourth We had the kids
came over to barbecue, and then we watched Jaws, because
it's the fiftieth anniversary of Jaws, which is I'm going
to say it, I think my favorite movie.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
I always think of it as think of a couple
perfect movies. Yeah, I think of All the President's Men
great to think of Jaws as absolutely perfect movies. I
can watch anytime.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Really very different, but also around the same time. I
believe All the President's Men was a year later, seventy six.
But the seventies, I mean that time. We always say this,
that the seventies for movies, for music, for TV the time.
I think it's like our it's.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
When we were growing up also, but.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Just happens to be the best.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
I remember reading the book, which is quite good, right,
book the cast. The thing that I always found interesting
is like, Okay, Rich Dreyfus, who was for a time
like a big leading man and I think quite great
in the movie. Ye funny, like people forget how funny
he was. Roy Scheider, who I got to meet briefly
when I first moved here. Yeah, because he used to

(10:49):
sit by the pool of the sunset Marquis with a reflector,
and I don't think I think that might have eventually
gotten him. The thing I always find weird, though, is
the actress Lorraine Gray, who was in it. I never
understood who she was. And do you know who she was? Yeah,
the producer's wife, Yes, exactly. How did she get that?

Speaker 3 (11:07):
I don't understand these producers so put their wives in
the show.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yeah, Monica, you should be in a Shark movie.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
But we'll talk more about that.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
I just did the Jaws podcast, which I'll tell you
guys about when that is released.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Let's have them over.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
They're from London. I spoke to them via zoom in London.
His name is Ross and it's wonderful. The Jaws Daily,
I think, or the Daily Jaws. It's just, uh, it's
it's beyond the movie to me.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
And to Spielberg, I know you've had some conversations. I
met him a few times and interviewed him. Yeah, he's
sort of the reason I write for TV. Oddly, I
made him laugh and Joel Gallen, our friend, said, oh,
you should write some jokes.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
Well, mister Spielberg is listening. We'd love to have you on.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
He's very acceptable guest.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yes, all right, people are coming.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Tell us who's coming today. We're talking to Gavin Rossdale,
who uh the lead singer, the front man, the main
writer of Bush, the leader of that band, and uh,
a man who has a cook show, a cooking show,
Cooking with Dinner with Gavin Rossdale, so that we're gonna
find out how much you two have in common too.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
I'm gonna tell him.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I'm gonna tell him stay out of my lane exactly
because he's got the music thing.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
He's probably got the looks here. He's got the looks
thing going.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yes, as we can see now, now he has to
get into food too, Hi, come on in, come on
here we are.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
It's not enough that he looks like this and there's
a food show and has a new album you know out.
I think we're airing it the day. This new record
I Beat Loneliness is out. Yeah, literally smells like roses.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Come on, you know, there's been some really bad times,
so I will take these good times, thank you so much,
And yeah it does come once. One of my favorite
things about doing movies that I've done a few movies,
when I say I've done a few movies. I've been
in a few movies.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
I watched you one this morning. We've watched a few.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
What's really fun is you do the movie and then
you like forget about it, you go where you get
on with your life, and then halfway through getting on
with your life doing something else, maybe suddenly the movie
is coming out and people are like, God, damn, how
this person so busy? And it's just like you haven't
really doing anything. They've they've been doing all the work.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
You just show up the j Yeah, I was busy
last year. I'm gonna watch.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
But can I say that I travel a lot, you know,
and I have limited time to do fun things of
looking at things. But I love your show so much.
I think I've seen them all and I download them
so I have to be stressed by a thing. And
it's such an easy watch, and it's it's really great,

(14:23):
fantastic restaurants. And I have so many questions, but I
won't make it about that. But I was like, first off,
you're always so sweet and such a great mood. I
was like, is he always like that?

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Is it you know, just so annoyingly? Yes, always like that?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
And your wife is so great, just like that smiling together,
and then when your daughter's in it, where it's just
like everyone's got the same smile. I'm like, this is
so amazing and the food is so great and it's
really really I love that show.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
But you you, how long have you been cooking? Well,
because you have a show, tell people about that and
where they can find it.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
That's well, there's two questions there. I'm better at the
first answer. What they called in the first window phase
of my career. So likening us having in similar parallel
lives is a little unfair. You're sort of traversing at
a very high speed. I am. I'm sort of. I'm like,

(15:19):
not quite. It's a really great thing I have and
we're just at the beginning stages of it. I remember
it reminds me of when I first saw comedians in
cars getting coffee and it was on Jerry Seinfeld's website only,
and when I saw it, I was thinking, oh my god,
what is this is like I discovered something no one
else knew about. And then it mushroomed and it grew

(15:43):
into this huge thing and the Netflix and the multiple
places to see it. But we began on a platform
called Visio. They make TVs. So it's a TV company.
They're trying to go into content content, So like I wish,
I you know, we all wish we've got Bitcoin or
Amazon right the beginning, or Uber right the beginning. So

(16:05):
it's being being at the ground level with this this
company and being so when you buy a TV and
now when you get the app, you can download the
video app and from August very soon you can see
it on demand. For now, you have to sort for anyone,
for anyone for now. It's a bit tricky because you
have to look at their long TV thing and I'm

(16:27):
on reruns now on video it's kind of you have
to have right now, you have to have video TV
or video app and on the video app you have
to just wait until it's on the show on the
the schedule.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
And do you pay for that?

Speaker 5 (16:40):
Does a person who get free?

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Now? I think? Actually? And then the video TV is
like two three hundred dollars of course it's amazing. So no,
we're like, so I've done that, but I sold. The
show is in Canal Polose in Front and Front. Yes,
it's in Canada, it's in I think it's coming in Australia.
So it's building it up. Very different from your show,
which is international Runaway. Here. Mine is a sort of

(17:03):
a young stallion waiting to run.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
You have the jump on me.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
The rock star thing, I'm just starting.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
The funny thing is that when we were doing it,
you know, in order to get the money, like I first,
I first called I called it I am feeder, like
one word feed because I am feeder. I love to
people come to my house. They're gonna drink, they're gonna
they're gonna eat. And they came to me and they're like,
you know, we can't have it because it's the there's
a you do know, there's a kind of alternative lifestyle

(17:36):
connotation to it. You know, the big girls and the
small guys feeding the twinkies and it's lovely.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yes, the thing, it's the thing. It's feed everything. You know.
I just you know whatever. I'm a rock musician. We
know these things. And they said I was like, exactly,
they go, no, no, we can't have it. I was like,
but it's great. So I wasn't allowed to have it.
So I went through a couple of names, and then
the next one they came up with rock Star Kitchen chronicles,

(18:02):
which now being you can call someone else that, but
you can't call yourself seems really weak, I know. So
I was like, no, please, I can't you know, and
there was like no, but it's all tied up with
the with the funding, this and that, and so luckily
a genius guy had a number of years ago had
a show on MTV or somewhere called rock Star Kitchen,

(18:25):
and so we weren't allowed to use it. Went straight
back to Easy Dinner with Keavin.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
And we're jealous already. I mean, some of your guests
are amazing, but the one that I'm desperate to get
on our show next time, he's in the States if
we can, Sir Tom Jones. And in the promo even
there's a moment of you two singing a little. It's
not unusual, and I thought that had to be a
I don't know, you're a little too young. But do
you still do you have love for Sir Tom Jones?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Oh my god, he's he is He's our he was
our Elvis, you know, he just large in life. Figure.
Then what happens. I did the voice for one season
in England. I didn't do I only did one season
because it was five months away from here and my
boys are here, so I just couldn't do that antil.
But I had so much fun. I sat next to Tom,

(19:12):
So I was with Tom for five months. You know.
You know TV is like fifteen hours a day, so
they grind you. I really had a really great time,
So I just I would hang out with him, eat
with him, have dinner with him, and spend time with him.
It was just brilliant. You know, He's like, oh my god,
eighty five, yes, and he's on tour. I mean I

(19:37):
and thing is that I'm like split because on one hand,
I'm like, I don't I don't want to be doing
anything like it would take to end that kind of
effort when I'm eighty five. But the fact of the
matter is that when you get to eighty five, I
think that that's what he loves to do and he
doesn't want to sail off into sunset. People talk about
having a beach, go to the beach and drink a margarita. Well,

(19:58):
how many can you have? How many days, I mean
get life. So I think he's fed by it, by
how busy he is. And that's one thing we touched on,
Like his dad was a coal miner. His father did
this whole thing about how he couldn't take a bath
in one go. You'd have to do the top half first,
bottom half first, then get out and put your top

(20:19):
half in and lean over the thing because he couldn't
go in the bath with the hot water. So it's
like when you have that sensibility, it made perfect sense
that he just is a driven man and on it.
And then when we were when we were working together,
it was beautiful because I felt very like he's paternal
to me and and.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
So that he may be your father. You never know,
he could be, but it'd be.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Very dutiful, like I enjoyed being there and we'd go
down the steps things like that, you know, like it
felt very I feel really close to him, really close
to him.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
How great was he your favorite guests so far?

Speaker 2 (20:58):
He was incredible. It was like he was my I
had him and Jack mcbrae that we were the pilots.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
So I think it's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
I know him a little ardable. He's incredible, And so
I knew Tom from the show. Yeah yeah, and so
and Jack I knew it was he was a perfect
guest because I'd met him yeah. Once. So I had
a dinner at my house. This wonderful record maker, Steve
Albini who passed away this last.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Year, who produced your second the second record.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, he's he's amazing. And he he showed up to
my house for a dinner. You know, I like having
dinner people around for dinner. And he brought Jack, you know,
And he brought Jack, and Jack walked into the house
and the household with him was really nice. At the time.
It's in a different life, it was really nice. I
live in a nice house now, but that's also nice house.
He walked into my house, he goes, can we be

(21:46):
best friends? I said pretty much, yeah, we should. We should.
And what he's he's he comes to actually all my
kid's birthdays, all Christmases and thanks Givings, the family holidays,
so that I would have a very big households. And
I like my friends be around my kids. So he

(22:08):
he loves to eat. He loves to eat, so he
comes around. And but yeah, so him and him and
Tom were the pilots before I could get the deal,
so to speak. Incredible and I shot shot it all
with the same director and we had the same concept
about it. We're really simple. So it's come to my
house and I'm going to cook fee but in real time.
So I prepare mostly in the day and then I

(22:29):
do a little bit if I have to do, in
front of them. But it's not about showing them. No
one's stirring. The food is secondary. It's about talking to them,
and they talk and that's it, and that's what it's
all about.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
Does anyone get mad at you for chewing and talking?
We get a lot of we get to heat sometimes
from people's saying, but we get a little.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
But there are some people who it really bothers like
a visceral thing. They can't listen to chewing, and other
people get off on it. What would they be called?
They're not feeders forours?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
I think. I don't know, but yeah, I mean it's
quite nice when people keep their mouth shut as they eat.
I tell my kids, we got shut the front doors.
That comes the code for if you've if you've been
hanging out with some parts of your life from not
from La, can we cantone it down? Shut the front door.
Let's gets the phrase.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
How many kids?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Four?

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:26):
How what are the ages?

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Nineteen?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Well, nineteen he's the oldest, seventeen and eleven. And I
have an older daughter who just is in London, who's
just very beautiful. She's an adult, she's doing her own thing.
So I have three, well I have now two under
my care. Still one thinks he's out of my care.
But he's still you know, he's very much in the fold,
which I really like you were saying earlier about how yeah,

(23:51):
the fact that he's you know, some of the time
he's gone through like he's spent seven months not saying
too much to me, but he he's now very very
open and very tall king and we we we we're
very close. And he lives with me all the time.
He's full time since he was seventeen. He's living great time.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Great, that's sweet and kind of in la.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, yeah, really not far about twenty minutes Studios City.
I wasn't gonna say, I'm not gonna give away you
obviously the location. But I do have a great friend
of mine, Rick Hess. I don't know if you know him.
He used to live in a house in here, just
up the road, just up the street. Yes, and what
a lovely enclave this is, yes, so great, and I'm
obsessed with Korean food. So I'm going to town Koreatown.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
I'm going to soot Bull Jeep tonight, so you know it.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
I love it, of course I do.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Because they use the real charcoal, yeah, not a gas gripes.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
I'm like, if you're if you're to meet Albi.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, you know a lot of the Korean barbecue places
they it's just they have a basically a frying pan
on top of a gas burner.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
Why go to Korean barbecue right right right?

Speaker 3 (24:57):
You want that smoky you know flav Of course, your
clothes smell like smoke. I My joke about Simple Jeep
was they named it that because those are the three
things you smell like when you leave.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
But it's just my favorite.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah really yeah, I've just it's so clean that food.
This is just a wild experience that you can probably
over eat because I'm pretty good at that, or just
overorder for sure. Yes, But yet it resolves in a
really clear way. I think food is also should be
considered as to how it resolves in your body. You know,
if you're like left having a terrible feeling. On the

(25:33):
next day, you don't feel good, you're not going back.
It should be it should be. And I like the
way that Korean food wears off in a wholesome way.
You don't feel like if you have a night of
pizza and pasta overdoing it like that, you can feel
a bit heavier. Yeah, Korean seems to sort of clear
like a myst.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Because there's less carbs, there's less dough.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
You know, we eat a lot.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
If you eat pizza like me, I love Pizza's my
favorite food.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
But if you do too much and.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Then have some ice even have you know, sugar and carbs,
that's gonna make.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
You feel Yep, you know, But you're right.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Korean food, Japanese food, Chinese food, the Asian countries not
so much with the carbs.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Right, and also because they do although they are sort
of mindful of the whole experience. Yes, I think something
I love with that.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Do you know, Phil though, does not cook unlike you,
and I wonder since you are a cook, do you
see a comparison between the creative process when you cook
and when you make music, because especially now you can
do both things almost a lot of it by yourself.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
You can do Yeah, no, one hundred percent, there's exact
complete alchemy because I mean I have friends with a
lot of cooks, a lot of chefs, because I just
love that sensibility. Yeah, first off, working backwards, the consistency
for each night for you to to put on shows
and to perform in the same way that kitchens have
to perform right and get every detail correct. So there's

(26:57):
a real similarity with that. You know, we can't foe
in three songs and then make the next folk. You know,
every dish has to be great, every song has to
be great if you're trying to be.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
That good chef is a chef. A great chef is
a great writer, right and not writing.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, and the and the alchemy of things, you know,
textural color, heat, you know, temperatures and stuff like that.
So I find it like to me, I love there's
a mystery in music. I find where I'm sort of
at least twenty five percent really ignorant about it and
that allows for this sort of youthful, childlike wonder and

(27:35):
the things it can do when you put it together.
And weirdly, I have this you know, connection with food
that just treated right ingredients, you know, they just they
can really really sing for you and do stuff generally
keep out the way a lot of it is keeping
out the way of it for me, but just the
alchemy of putting things together and how they taste, the
flavors of those you know, like beautiful sourdough, bread with

(27:59):
a beautiful, incredible you know, French butter, and then anchovies
and then you buy into that the things that does
or bacon and eggs. Yeah, just why are they so
good when we put them together? They just there's the magic.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
I was in Amsterdam from this season and I had
two dishes, two different restaurants that used blueberries and beats together.
Never had it before and here were two restaurants that
were doing it. I don't know was something in the
air in Amsterdam, but I'm like, like, why have I
never had this? It's so good really, But it's all
about just like you take two ideas when you're writing

(28:37):
and put them together a song to play, a movie
script of any kind. That's what great chefs do.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
And the relationship between two entities and how they work
off each other.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
And did I hear you say that it was Miles
Davis who inspired you to cook?

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah? Well, he said that every musician should be able
to cook because because they have to understand balance. They
have to understand blend, they have to understand patients. There's
the processes that go into cooking. I mean cooking is obviously.
I mean I've the you know, the the high end
tasting menu, Chef Kahn, you know, grant Akats. That's not

(29:18):
you know, it's so out of my realm. I'm just
amazed that when you have these wonderful dishes. I'm like
taking things that are sort of more hearty, but doing
it in a finessed way, you know. So it's really
just the best ingredients possible.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
What are your favorite restaurants here in town?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
You Ebaldi seriously that I do like Petito great. I
really like the super just French, I do know, And
it's such a great French experience. It's not it's not
I don't know how to put it outside when they
hit it, get bull's eye for it. You want a
French bestro experience.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
That's perfect.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
That's itLet do you know that Phil is opening up
his own diner. His dream is coming true? How soon?

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Pretty soon, by the end of summer.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I hope that's exciting. And you've never felt the need
to cook? Does your wife cook for you?

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Here.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
We're not chefs, but we couldn't love food more.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
But it's not simple. It's so simple. I mean it's
not it's not complex.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
I can make simple things, but I'm such a lover
of the art that I want to support the artist.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
And do you go out every ninety.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Pretty much or order in? Yes, I leave it to
the people who do it.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
Well.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Listen, guy, you're right.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
People say you have a food show and you can't.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
In from there's any good though, apart from Indian travels.
Really well, there's a couple of Lebanese places, but it's
so the distances in la Like when I order in London,
it's there in seven minutes. I'm like, what the hell
are they cooking around the corner? So it's really hasn't
suffered the journey. Yes, and they also have really good
packaging there. They can serve you springs with these these events, right,

(31:02):
I don't know why they have them here. So when
you get like everything there's fried arrives crispy, like it's
a fact similar of what it could be like you
eat a French fry. Guy, I know who used to
be I still love you, but.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
French fried does not travel well. But there are certain
there's a company that here a place. I think it's
High Home Burgers. They have figured out a way to
make the food travel well. Fries included good.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
So that's that's great. But it's everybody.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
It's so simple. Yeah, if you had a frog in there,
you poke a hole for it to breathe.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
Right, let's go.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Sixty sixty ways.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
We've had a lot of great chefs on the show.
Thomas Keller recently, just a couple of episodes ago.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
He didn't suck.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
No, he does not suck at all, but it was
interesting to hear him talk about critics and how reviews like.
That's another comparison between rock stars and chefs is that
they both do not like the vicious review which you
know as a former critic. Yeah, I know, I'm a
former critic, and I don't like them.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
You know, my vicious reviews stopped the minute that streaming began.
As soon as I wasn't annoying anyone was selling fifty
thousand records a week, people be came to start looking
at me more squarely. It was the weirdest thing. Yeah,
I mean I missed the sales. I'd rather have the
sales and the vitriol to be honest, but instead it's

(32:55):
kind of metal it out. I don't know. I mean journalists,
they used to be so important. I mean when we began,
they would make or break you. You know Frank Rich,
you know the New York Times, he make or break restaurants.
You know. I don't know if that time exists. I'm
sure it does still for restaurants, but for bands it's
just like, I don't know who.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
I'm a former rock critic. They're irrelevant at this point.

Speaker 5 (33:15):
Yeah, because everyone's a critic.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
But as an irrelevant former rock critic, I will say
that you in recent years have been making There's been
a lot of artists who've been around for a decade
or two who stopped making records because the money isn't
what it once was to make them. You have been
making records at are quite a clip. Not you haven't
done seven albums this week like Springsteen reissued or just

(33:38):
re release.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
How thoughtful of me.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Yes, but your recent work has been really, really strong
and really like passionate, and it seems like, if anything,
you seem as committed as ever to the band.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah. I just love doing everything they want wrong way
round you know, and not conforming, and so many parts
of my life of being completely the opposite of what's
meant to happen, and so consequently I revel in these
kind of ideas that I'm supposed to make a meandering,
kind of lukewarm, vaguely disinterested record just to play the

(34:12):
older songs. When I liked is the idea that you
make a vital record that just it is a powerhouse
of like well things. When I went to make especially
this one, i'd be loneleess. I was like, there's no
point in making it us I can really do something special.
And then I was thinking, well, what is special? What
can you do that's special? And I was had this

(34:32):
sort of existential few days where I was trying to
measure myself and what I'd achieved was doing, and I thought,
the best thing I can do is be the best
version of myself, you know, in order to do a
new record, I can't sort of look at Bowie and
do a sort of a bad fact simile of him
or anyone else, because the best I could be the

(34:53):
most valuable I could be as an artist to anyone
that ever liked the Mandu Wast, be the best version
of myself. So I took this sort of deep dive
in and about stuff, and usually halfway through records, I
stop writing about myself because I go, oh my god,
stop me. You're English, You're not allowed to do this.
And I literally look for I mind other subjects to

(35:14):
write about things, just to throw the scent off myself,
you know. And then this time I didn't do that,
and I just thought, no, just go be as personal
as you can of what what do you think about?
What are you thinking about today? What bothers you today?
What is really going on? And it was weird because
to be that singular and focused on myself in turn

(35:35):
comes out with the more the most universal stuff I
think I've ever written, because I just mind an area
that everyone feels. You know, I'm obsessed with people's mental health,
you know, because everyone that likes my band, that comes
to see me, they talk so much about the lyrics
and about the what the lyrics are said. It makes
me feel good, you know, it makes sense in my life,
but it means I have focus on that. When I

(35:56):
go to make a new one, they say, please don't
stop making music. You know, your music has really saved
my life. You know many times they say that, right,
So I just thought it was it's just fun to
dive into it, and I like being surprising and doing
a really vital, energetic or very emotional record that is surprising.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Can I at this point what really long answer?

Speaker 2 (36:19):
No? No, they can be very short after this.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
But do you remember a moment when you recommitted to Bush,
Because it seems like in touring it's like and I
got to hear you with Billy Corgan, and it's like
there's bands that sort of you think, okay, this is
we're sort of at the back end, and it doesn't
seem like it seems like you were totally refocused with Bush. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I think it's just so fun. I mean, what an
amazing life I have. I'm so lucky. I get to
make music and go plays of people applaud me. It's ridiculous.
It's so stupid that I have to be as good
as possible. I have to be amazing, and like, it's
much more fun to go on tour, and it's quite
hard to be on tour. You know, it's to be
a way a lot, You've sacrifice an awful lot you're away.

(37:02):
But so the only thing that makes sense. Is the
is to is to dive into it and to just
try and be you know, I decided to do this
for my life. I might as well just be trying
to be as as good as I can. And so
every show is this sort of focus to get just
do it better and do it wild. And when people
see me, I wanted to be there the craziest show

(37:24):
they saw. I wanted to be elevated and feel moved
and connected. And you know, I do stuff like I
talk about the Oh my god, that is my son.
I talk about my talk about all the car parks
of all these people, all these separate lives. You can
have ten thousand cars there and they don't They don't

(37:45):
connect on any other day, but yet this one day,
they've all spent their day focusing and arriving at this
one place to have this sort of community, you know,
community experience and the community go through and it's so powerful.
So I love that.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Well, do you know that Phil has been on tour
and you're going to hit Can you talk about your
touring because in a weird way, you're having comparable touring experiences.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Now it's the most fun. It's as fun as doing
the show is going on tour meeting the people, right,
and I'm sure you get to meet lots of your
fans on the way.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
It's lovely. I was just in London and went to
the London Palladium where Phil had played like a few
months ago, and I thought, like, it is amazing and
he's going and talking about the food shows. He's not singing,
he has no hits.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
I hardly sing it all and show.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
But how long do you travel for when you go
what is the segment to go?

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Shoot of the of the TV show?

Speaker 3 (38:43):
A week in each place, But we do a lot
of research beforehand and I have a lot of help,
and then we leave room in the schedule to find
things on the fly, which is the most fun.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
But so is that shooting eating four days of that
week or five days? Was that every day?

Speaker 5 (39:01):
But you're you're onto something.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Because the earliest iteration of this show we did as
a test and the producer I had a different producer.
It was for one off thing like a pilot so
to speak for American Express, I think it was. And
this producer booked us into twenty seven restaurants in seven days.
That's more than breakfast, lunch and dinner, and they were

(39:28):
all Michelin some of them, most of them three star Michelins.
So by the second day, you don't want to see food,
you don't want to do so it's death by this
thing you used to love. It's like that scene in
Clockwork Orange. Oh you like sex and violence, We're gonna
hold your eyes open and make you watch nothing but
that until you can't. You go insane. So that I

(39:49):
learned from that. This is what not to do.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah, it's fun learning, isn't it. On the journey?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yes, and then and then so now we have one
or two scenes of food a day, and the rest
is culture, charity, meeting people, having my brother puts me
in ridiculous situations.

Speaker 5 (40:08):
By the way, my.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Favorite line from one of your songs is from everybody
zen everything, then Everything's then my asshole brought here.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I sent that to my brother at Fraternal Comments.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Do you it's so good?

Speaker 3 (40:23):
You never hear that ever you wrote that line, it's
pretty good.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
Do you have an asshole brother like me?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
No? I always wanted to one.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Oh, well, I give you mind. No, we love Richard.
We have to you know.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
This is part of the shtick, is that.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
We we say these things, the canaan able of it all.
You you you grew up with a sister, and is
it the story of which may just be a little
over exaggerated. But you're not speaking until you were four,
And I think you've credited that saying your sister did
all the talking.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I didn't speak much nothing. No,
I mean I still feel the same way like I
you know, I just like to improve the silence, and
sometimes silence is the best. Like I was with all
my family away. I took my sisters and their kids,
my kids, my eldest with his girlfriend all the way

(41:17):
to Cornwall for a week because of rick Stein. So
I went to eat rick Stein's, a seafood place, and
then a local place, and I cooked for the rest
of it's fourteen people, and I just watched them all.
I was so happy to be there with them, and
I was just content to watch them so chatty. They
just chatty, chatty, chatty. So I was just sometimes thinking

(41:38):
that I'm maybe quite a quiet person, you know, like
I don't I'm not mute by any means, but I
don't have to be chatty all the time. So not
talking till I was four was just sort of a
convenient you know, I took a break. I knew it
was coming. I knew that after that is non stop questions.
I'm not even good at questions, Mike. It drives my
girlfriend nuts that I'm not the questions guy. Like I'm

(42:00):
rather just like talk about a situation or something. The
old thing hid when I'm cross questioned when people haven't
seen me all day, how's your day? What was this?
What was that was? I'm just get I just get you.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Know, well, here's here's a non question, so you don't
have to feel confronted.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
Which I don't remember the answer.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
I was listening to one of the podcasts you've done
and felt total love for your father just because the story.
I didn't know this about you, but you know that
you grew up basically your mom left at a certain point,
your dad raised you, and I uh, and then the
fact that, like I, I'm very moved by stories where
you talked about trying to when you made it pay

(42:42):
him back and I think you got him a home
and it it spoke to me because my dad was
a great dad and I never I could never pay
him back because he did pretty well and he didn't
need help for me, And I never was rich enough
to help him all that much, but I did mention
him in the liner notes of a Frank Sinatra record.
Who was his hero was Frank Sinatra. And on his

(43:03):
deathbed he was telling the nurses my kid mentioned me
on a Sinatra's duet's record, and I'm like, I thought,
oh boy, that's the closest Oliver. I never bought him
the great home that you know, well.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
We grew up. There's this thing in England it's beautiful,
called country Life, and it's at the beginning of the
first ever things that I realized were aspirational, you know,
like now looking at Instagram, everything's aspirational. Oh my life,
it's not as good as that life. But country Life
is this beautiful magazine as it come weekly and it's
all the country houses were sailing and so it always

(43:35):
starts for the best. It's super hierarchical and so it
starts for the best and most expensive house. So when
it would come every week, we just my whole life.
It was such fun to sit and just not only
let yourself have like it's a box of chocolates. Don't
look at four houses. Because this is the first three
and imagine these great lives, because that's what in England.

(43:56):
Have you live in London if you have a house
in the country. And so my dad looked at that
my whole life. And so when I got money, I
forced him to get a house. It took me two years.
He's really proud and modest and he looks at ninety
one house if I've got my house. Got him a
fourteenth century place and it was beautiful. He loved that

(44:16):
place and it was a great thing to do for him.
But it wasn't easy. But we had a lot of
amazing times done this so great memories.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
And do you as a dad now, because you know
you've been through a divorce and all. But I've always
heard just and yes, well I hate to tell you
spoiler alert, you don't know about this, but you've I've
always heard about like you seem so involved with your
son's lives. It's not like you know, I know dads

(44:46):
who walk away to a certain extent, you have had
a parent sort of walk away for a time. I
just think it's so great. It's a tribute in a
way to your dad that you have been such a
good dad. Apparently.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Thanks, Yeah, I can't help it. I'm the same. I mean, yeah,
I think that if you have children, it's your responsibility
to make sure they're not jokes in the world. The
world's got enough jokes in it, so I found it
quite a serious role. And they still do to just

(45:20):
have them. I mean, they're already were the four hundred
character traits when kids come out. So parents, we think
we can affect our children, but in a limited way,
but you can. They're they're polite, they're funny, and they're
direct and they're honest, and that's all you can ask.
The completely all completely different. And I'm now terrified because
two of them want to go into music, and I

(45:41):
don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
I was about to ask, I don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Incredibly, Yeah, the seventeen year old is a he's nearly
seventeen on the twenty first of August. He is a
staggeringly good singer and he plays all country songs. He's
a country singer, a deal where he gets it from yeah, yeah,
really well. And he's a real guitar player. You see.

(46:05):
I'm different because I'm a songwriter. So when I was
coming up, I was obsessed with the rings that Jimmy
Hendrix had all the rings in his hands, and every
decision was made like what would Johnny Rotten from The
Sex Whistles do? Or what would Jim Morrison do? Everything
was like what would Jim do? We lived lived this
very reckless life. Whereas he he's just like a real

(46:28):
guitar player because he's actually learning all the blues songs,
all the standards, so he's got a real basic knowledge
of things and he's coming up through that. Now he's
into this very Zach Bryan, very beautiful, introspective Americana country.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Your friend Bruce is a big Zach Bryan fan, so
you definitely want to check him out.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, so it's really it's really good, good quality, and
he just loves that. You know. He also loves cowboy
hats and cowboyts. But he lives in Encino, but it's
but bless him, that's his vibe, right. Yeah, he has
a place he you know, they stay in Oklahoma, so
he has a lot of oh, you know, he has
a lot of country inspiration from the other side of
his life obviously, but yeah, he's incredible. And then the

(47:11):
older one is into rock music and wants to do
rock music and be in a band and do all that.
But it's nothing that I've sat down and tried to
blueprint them or anything. The opposite. I've made them turn
around and do be independent. They have to just go
and do whatever it is you have to do. Don't
don't just you have to do it. And they both
they're both doing music. It's it's wild. And then my

(47:33):
youngest is a sports stars a quarterback with a ridiculous arm.
He's got a golden arm. It's like he's a real
handsome little dude. And he comes like sauntering in and
he's got an arm like like thirty forty yards on
a dime. He's unbelievable. Wow, he's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
And he and can you watch American football because you
love your son?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah, I love it. I love I mean, it's funny
because with American sports, the difference between English and American sports,
when you take baseball to some extent, basketball and definitely football,
they stop all the time. In England they benefit from
like running you to death, so like ninety minutes of soccer,

(48:17):
like by the minute eighty five, if you're sluggish, they're
going to score three goals. So you're punished for that.
So the research commercials and the reset it's a different thing,
the reset, because I'm like, the momentum was just there,
like you know, but no, I love it. It's just great.
I think it's just with the commercials of that. Sometimes

(48:38):
it's hard to keep the you know, I find myself
wandering off to go to the fridge and get something,
you know, like when's the play and they come back,
what do you mean the play is up? There's too much
stuff which didn't stop a start so much.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
I was getting used to it. Being in London last
week it was amazing. It was beautiful because I'm a
tennis in baseball are my two things that I absolutely love.
But seeing in London, how big Wimbledon, it's like it's
just dominated culture, you know. Last week it was phenomenous.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
The whole We're obsessed about it.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
And as my wife, she did it for her birthday,
which I think it was more of a gift to me.
And I will say, having gone to the US Open
as a kid and loving all that, I'd never been
to Wimbledon. And as she said, it does not disappoint.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
It is it is mage straws and cream.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Yes, we did. We did everything. Your every cliche that
I wouldn't normally do, Yes, all of it.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
Wait, strawberries and cream is the snack at Wimbledon.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Wimbledon hodown, Yes, straw cream.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
My only picture of my wife eating is her having that?

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Is there a guy coming down the aisles with strawberries
and cream?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
You have to get it?

Speaker 5 (49:45):
There stands there stands.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Did you say the only picture of your wife eating?

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (49:50):
One too. Pictures of you? Du has no pictures of eating.
It's like you don't care.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Sorted once foods?

Speaker 5 (50:26):
Here?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Are there anything you don't eat? Don't you like? What's
your what's your pet? Peeves?

Speaker 5 (50:33):
Food wise, I get offered some weird things on the road.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
With your brother's help.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
I'm not looking for bugs.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Oh yeah, that's so. But in terms of like you
on everyday life, every day life.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
I'm crazy about black licorice.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
I I have a problem with angel hair pasta. Why
because it's always accompanied by the worst zero nothing sauce. Ever,
it's just sort of like it's like sad food. I've
always found it quite sad. I don't like sun dried
tomatoes that are really not into them.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
The angel hair.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
You take anything looks interesting to you, A.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
Very subtle.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Because the pasta is so fine it can't stand up
to the bullet.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Normally, like a tasteless skin of a tomato. Yes, it's
like it's like punishment food.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
Let's talk about this for one second. I want you
to have a bite of this because this is our
first time having this, and I think it's pretty fantastic, amazing.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
The bread is great and the feelings are wonderful. It's
tastes artisanal to me.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
I'm surprised, Bobby, would you? Does Italiani or turkey sound better? Okay,
you're on a cleanse.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
You can wash with it.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
You've come to the wrong place. This is a big pastrami.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
This is some pastrami, and I'm I'm not gonna have that.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
I'm gonna have. Is there a turkey? Give me a
half a turkey?

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
I'm gonna be a little healthier today because I got
a big meat thing tonight with football. Jeep, gotta do
some damage.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
There on the road with your band, do you. I've
always loved stories about Gladys Knight and Patty LeBell would
cook on the road. They cook for their band. They
were backstage with their They bring their pots and pans.
I believe Solomon Burke would sell food outside his shows,
apparently at the Apollo like he'd have a stand. Do

(52:37):
you bring anything with you? And do you you care
about the band?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
How the band care about the band? Question? But I
care about that. I always bring a good knife because
you don't get a good knife on the road and
on the buses when I have Yeah, I normally I
I I do cook on that you get the little
hobs just like like electric hobs. I only need one

(53:03):
hob to make out, you know, to make food, I
don't need a hob a bit of heat. It's just
temperature and time.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
So you don't you don't check out the restaurants in
every city.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Oh yeah, what happens is that on my days off
I go through usually Eater. I find Eater a really
amazing resource, and I look for who's cooking, who's got
what going on?

Speaker 3 (53:25):
I always cross reference though you. Yeah, I don't usually
go buy just one review on Eater or Yelp, and
I try to see if it starts popping up on
many sites.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I mean, it's a exciting people doing great food. So
when I when I luck out, and then I call
the reserve places. So I do follow that. It's a
bit of a drag. I'm a bit of a chain,
a train chain to like the job. Like I can't
go out to like crazy loud restaurants on the night
off and then lose my voice because I'm trying to
have a conversation. So I got to be mindful about

(53:58):
all those things that are so Number one, I'm so boring.
I'm so boring in that regard, Like my poor girlfriend
has to withstand all that, you know, like it can't
be loud or something, I can't speak you and but
but yeah, it's a great opportunity to to try doubt
different restaurants. And then then there was annoying as daytime

(54:19):
or show times or show days rather their places aren't open,
you know. So that's right. I just in Montreal there's
Joe Beef, you know, Joe Beef out there.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Have you ever considered food in your touring schedule when
you look at you know, routing and all that, oh him, yes,
going to a like for instance, Japan, where I just
went for the first time, I realized.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
I would just want to go there, greatest country.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
And you're not wrong.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Gosh. I was just in Kyoto, Osaka and Okinawa a
couple of years ago. Do just and I booked a
lot of restaurants. I spent so long book doing, booking
a whole load waiting to need gaps. My goodness, just
the whole experience there is everything, and they can do.

(55:13):
They really do all kinds of food better than the
areas they came from.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
They just fay proud fact things right.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
It's amazing and I love that. I love their attention
to detail, and I love the humility to just dedicate
yourself to one thing. And you know, we're so spread
thin if we're not careful, and they just maintain focus
on the one thing, they're going to be amazing at

(55:43):
and then they're going to.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Make sober noodles and that's it. You want the noodles,
you go to the noodle, right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Didn't make those. Who's got twenty years for that?

Speaker 4 (55:52):
I got twenty years, right.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
I dream, you know, I dream of sushi that you know,
the Yeero movie. I love all the food. If I
watched lots of food things, anything food related is too
much fun to sp.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
On were I don't know if during the pandemic There
were other including Brad Pacey, who wrote our theme song,
said he discovered Phil show really during the pandemic. Is
he missed touring, he missed traveling, and it was a
vicarious thrill to watch Phil going to all these cities.
Do you have any particular cities that Phil's hit that
are favorites of yours in the world.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Well, I've literally seen so many seasons, but I like
that the smallest shops we eat on the councils of
people was that was one in Portugal? Was it was
it Brazil, the little husband and wife team. But you
get to also lots of famous chefs who I love
that you get to their places. I'm just like, you know,
do you know, no, you know there's I think there's Magnus,

(56:52):
one of the one of the Nordic chefs that I
was reading about, and then suddenly you're in his place
and you curate fantastic restaur You.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Know, so lucky, I mean you said you felt so
lucky to getting easier.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Is it like, for instance, like me making the first
season of my show was the most insane trickery bluff
poker playing life. How I got that made? How I
convince people they should come and spend time and be
on my show, because it's a tall order. Like with you, respectfully,
it's slightly easy. You go into a restaurant that's existing
and you're going through it. I'm asking people to leave

(57:27):
their lives, Serena, Can you leave Florida, fly to Los Angeles,
find the time to come and sit in my house
for like four hours. That's an awfully big ask.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
So but the money is great, isn't it. Did you
tell the people?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
So? Is it easier? Is it easier? Yes, it's very expensive,
very expensive. But the life, you know, like when you're
bring up these restaurants, now it must be a doddle.
You say, we have this show. There's seven seasons. You
can check. They go, oh my god, of course we
want you know, but in the first season was a
little bit trickier. Of course, we're going to show up

(58:03):
with a bunch of cameras. We're going to mess up
your day. But it's really in your interests.

Speaker 5 (58:09):
How Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Or by the way, you know who said no, it
was Joe Beef only one, because they're so popular that
a camera crew showing up is a pain in the
neck to them. No, one else ever said no, I
don't blame them. They don't need the extra publicity. But

(58:32):
I will say, for if you're a restaurant, you're listening
when we call, I think it will be in your interest.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Because look at the promotion and publicity for it.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
It's very nice.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
It once bit me in the ass because I wanted
to go. I took Monica back to a place that
we had filmed that and they were so happy to
talk to me. And I said, I'm so happy to
hear that you're happy because I happen to be here
today and.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
My wife is here.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
We like to come say hello and maybe have lunch.
He said, I'm sorry, we're full. So I screwed myself.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
That's a reflection on them. You did the right thing.
You did the right thing. Where do you eat la?
Where are your favorite places? What am I missing out
on it?

Speaker 3 (59:19):
This is I can't believe how good this is.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
Well smoke turkey thing.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Xavior. You should take one too.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
I have so many favorites here. I love everything from
you know Sonora Town? Have you ever ordered from there?
That travels very well? By the way, order from there?
The other place?

Speaker 5 (59:39):
Speaking of ordering in.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Gwyneth Paltrow has done an amazing job with that Goop.
Have you ordered from them? I like, if you want
something light for dinner and you just would like a
salad that that's very imaginative and really well done.

Speaker 5 (59:55):
Have you done this yet?

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yes, my wife and I think we've had haven't we
ordered for a long here?

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
I don't think we did it for here, but I actually.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
Do it for dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
It's all healthy, it's all imaginative, creative, and it's absolutely fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Great.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Yeah, so I love that for ordering in.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
But restaurants Moza Republic, you know, these are ones that
are just in my neighborhood that that I'm crazy about.

Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
And we live in one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Of the sushi capitals of the world too, so there's amazing.
If you live in Studio City, you know Sushi Row,
Ventura Boulevard, Nebo, It's amazing, it's amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
I don't know if you're old enough, but do you
remember Nazawa?

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
That was the I never win that. He's the one disaster.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
So I went there I think once a week at
least for twenty five years, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I went to the last I need to order, right,
you just go sit down and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
You go and sit and if you ordered a California
Roll or a spicy tune, role throws you out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
We were there the last night you was in business,
and it was What's funny is I went to Nobu
the Noble Hotel and then brunch tea a tea at
the Noble Hotel, and I was thinking, do I know,
is there any chance I know Nobu? And I'm like
it was I was thinking of him because he is
to me such an iconic big figure.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Well, nob was incredible too, but do Izawa train many
of the sushi chefs that are working right now in
their restaurants like that. There's many disciples and he's he's.
It was very strict, but if you went along with it,
you'd have, you know, the sushi of your life. It

(01:01:39):
was beautiful, and sugarfish is a it's a descendant of that, exactly,
a descendant of that. Yes, beautiful, yeah uh? But what
where should I eat in Studio.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
City as an ebo. It's tremendous, tremendous sushi, beautiful experience.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
I love them in there, also very imaginative and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Pretty easy. That's like a local. I'm so lucky to
have that regularly. You love it. Yes, it's local, local, local,
hang and this just yeah, this place is I just
ordered essay from home state. Actually that's really solid. I
was like just it was I needed some some brisket.

(01:02:27):
They give good brisket.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
I think we've got a brisket right here. You want it? Here,
you go, here we are and it's warm.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
You would not since Golders Green? Have you had pistriani?
Did you ever go to Golders Green as a kid.
I lived there with a student.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Oh really, Shandles.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
I just remember going there when I was a student
in London and the uh, the waiters would be rude
like in America. It was fantastic. I felt carry at
home where they would be wise ass old waiters.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
It was also weirdly the first place they had a McDonald's.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Oh really, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Yeah, so back in the day when McDonald's seems such
a great idea. Now I'm a little bit scared of it.
I've not had a McDonald's.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
Well, when you're a kid, it's marketed to you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Here in America we begged to go to McDonald's because
it was like, it's for kids. It's stuff kids like now,
some kids in America never grow up and they keep
eating mcmcdonald's and it will make you sick.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
I think you eat too much of it supersize me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
But like like everything you saw that movie, Yeah, that
was a great movie as a as.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
A warning, it's a great movie.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Showed it to my kids when they were little and
they said, oh, let's not eat that. Now they've come
back around though, to like enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Do you like the easy but easy burger, the smash Burgers?

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
Sure? I like everything I do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
I like my us before is there's stuff I don't eat,
very short list. I like almost everything.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
It is a good thing in life. I found it
in music because it helped me as a rock critic
that I liked a lot of music at There are
a lot and the same things in food. With you
with your show, it helps you don't as he always says,
they don't show the thing restaurants he doesn't like because
they're not in a show. But it helps that And like, yes,

(01:04:24):
but what I think is back to my entire career
when I was a rock critic. I'm not I'm semi
ashamed of the times I took Space and Rolling Stone
to make fun of anybody, because the truth is the opposite.
When you lift up something you love that lasts forever,
the mean review that you wrote, you know, it doesn't
really add up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
To much, right, Yeah, yeah, no, true would.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
With this kind of tour when you go on tour,
now is it like are you away? How often are
how long are you away for? How does it work
into your life? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
This this mix is particularly bad for that because I'm
away a lot, like six weeks, six, seven weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
I think that how many one niners in a row
do you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
And the most is three three on one off, three
on one off, two on one off. That kind of thing,
which is I do shows in the day at the
meet and greets, so I sing a couple of songs
in the day. So it's just a lot of singing.
But I have that seven weeks and I have two
weeks off with shows in the middle, actually your weekend
in the middle, and then ten weeks in Europe. It's

(01:05:35):
really long, Like I've never been away for my kids
that long, So I live in constant anxiety about that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
You're not doing Europe in the summer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
In the fall, yeah it's nice. Then in the fall
I do America. Do the North America. Yeah, that'll be
in So that's all beat all those outdoor sheds. You know,
nothing's better like eighty five degrees at night. There's a
warm breeze coming through. You can position yourself so that
the wind works in your favor and not like and

(01:06:05):
it's just the it's just the greatest. It's my favorite
place to play music outdoor on an open stage. That
is you can get these emotions and you can get
these buildings as the people.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
It's is it in one place that sticks out like
as your favorite well, either theater or experience like that
to play.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
It's really fun to play home because then to come
home to my head. But no, I think that once
you're in, once you lose yourself to the show, it's there.
All have to be, is you know. I mean, I'm
playing Madison Square Garden coming up wow July eighteen.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
An intimate little club gig Madison Square.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Yeah, but it's really fun to do that. Actually, that's
the only gig my dad ever saw. He saw one
show when he flew into New York to do that.
It's kind of cool, but they're all special because the
people make it special. The people make it special. Yep.
And the you know in the way you you're so warm.
Your family smiles in this warm way. If I go

(01:07:04):
on that stage and I interact with the crowd as
I like to, I can whip them into a frenzy
and we just it's just this amazing elevated experience when
I go out into.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
The crystal, into the audience.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I still do that. That nonsense, but
I love it because when I get out there, all
these people who are completely rational, great people every day,
you know, very calm or measured. They are losing their minds.
When you're around the crowd in the middle of a
song that someone's soloing, it's really loud, and be like, yeah,

(01:07:36):
you get around people, they can't be trying to get
you on the camera. Then people are grabbing on it's
just mayhem, and it's just it's so great. There's this
crystallized moment of connection where people are just like, oh
my god, I'm just like people are crazy. They get
into it so heavily, so that outlet and like I've

(01:08:00):
got a wolf, I own a wolf. I got a
new wolf, and I gotta be careful not to wind
him up, because if I got it was a good boy.
He gets and he goes. You know, I would be
very calm with him. So when you whip the crowds up,
you know you're doing all that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Wait a minute, a minute. You say you have a
literal wolf.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Well, he's a he looks like a wolf. I have
a new dog. I got a dog a few months ago.

Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
Is he part wolf?

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
He's Siberian husky. So I'll show you a pictures. He'll
be like, oh, that's a wolf. I got a wolf.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Is he hungry like a wolf at times?

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
But he's a I mean there's the picture.

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
Yeah, it looks like a serious dog.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Wolf.

Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
So you feel safe at home.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
I'm very safe at home. I'm very safe.

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
I say the dog is the best at turn for crime.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah wolf, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
Better than any security alarm system. Dog.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Well, there's been a lot of people's cynical world, you know,
and people take advantage of people and so not around
my hot.

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
My stolen in London, right right in Hyde Park.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
I was one of the idiots walking around with my
phone trying to find a speaker's corner which I remember
lived there. And the scooter guy on a scooter goes
by and shit and it's it's a wave of crimes.
At the Apple store when my wife and I went
to get a new phone, they said, this happens. You know,
sixty percent of their business is people who's it's like

(01:09:36):
all the rage in London.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
You'd almost think they were involved.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
Yes, exactly, that good business.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
That's yeah, that's that's awful.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
I was very scared of losing my Wimbledon ticket, that
was for sure on everything's on an app now, so
it's like I desperately wanted to get a phone in
time to go to Wimbledon.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Now, I'm not advocating eating in a lot of sweets,
but I think we should all have a piece of
this communal cookie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Communal cookie. Well, I would not turn you down any
culinary suggestions that would.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Be on this tour. You've toured with other bands, uh,
you know, I guess throughout your career you've done some
of that. Do you find you enjoyed the people who
you are on the road with now, because it strikes
me that it's like if once there was a lot
of competitiveness, it seems like a lot of bands actually
enjoy these new being part like a double bill or

(01:10:28):
things like that. Have you found it to be acceptable.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Or part of enjoyed it as much as this cookie
is that the question as cookie and it gives good squash,
doesn't that it's got an just.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
That just a little health in there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
You know. The funny thing is that there was a
time when obviously there was a lot of competition because
people are pissed against each other and they want to
curry favor and get the great reviews. But the funny
part is the jokes on everyone that people the composition

(01:11:05):
is to with yourself because just how good can you be?
Because you know, I love it if five people make
five great records of five bads, five entities, I love it.
Don't it doesn't It's not like I've got a great record.
Please don't anyone else make a good record. Please don't
make a good record. I want to encourage that. I
want people to do that. So for me, I like

(01:11:27):
the idea of of just getting the best out of
yourself and this whole thing. Yeah, you know, it's unfortunate
rock music that I make. You know, the noodles that
I gave my life to. People don't even want that
much anymore. It's not even a big market for it,
but that doesn't hasn't deterred me from trying to make
that right, noodle. And I think that that's what it's about,
you know, and just sticking up for your genre, whatever

(01:11:49):
it is, and just like making interest in music because
it doesn't really matter, Like the level of music doesn't
the genre doesn't matter. It's just like I think either
music is magnetic or not.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Right, Yeah, from the the generation before you that you
looked up to, who was the kindest to you. It's
like I've told him a lot about my experiences with Bowie,
who I found to be, in my experience, the most
elegant funny. Also before short this is I don't think
it's ever really been confirmed, but he told me half Jewish.

(01:12:21):
He told me he found out later in life that
his mother was half Jewish. So I always claimed David Bowie.
But of that earlier generation when you were starting out
and rising, who was kindest to you, who who was
the best to you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Got Bowie? You know, I told him twice, and so
I got to know him in that way. And while
I was fully aware of being like on a list
of thousands of people that knew him or communicates with him,
I just loved it because I could really speak to

(01:12:57):
his experience of things and you know, and get his
advice on things and what his approach was and asking
about different art I was going to buy, and that
was a valuable connection friendship, you know. So he was
really nice.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
And strictly I think he's an influence on you, at
least what I imagine. I hear a little of his
cut up technique and his.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
For sure that just the standard, you know, like for him,
possibly Tom York is the same quality now. But as
modern writers, you know, with Bowie, they're always great that
I could take any lyric if I was having a
problem with the lyric or is it finished? Isn't not
any good? I listened to a bout where can I go?
Yours is not finished? So sir, your lyric is not finished,

(01:13:41):
keep going at it? So this keep the standard up,
I mean, yeah, And the Burrows cut up technique that
wasn't so much. I didn't do the cut up technique
as I have like a sense of changing subjects all
the time and didn't actually cut them up like the
Burrows thing I possibly should have done.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
On a podcast called Naked Lunch. He's referring to William
Burrows had.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Like a lot of disparate ideas. I always thought it
was a nonsense. I hate the eye. I didn't like
the idea. Like I tried that some people do it
really well. You're Bruce Springsteen is the master of the storytelling,
you know, Bob Dylan, the storytellers. When I tried to
do a story writing style, I was horrible. It just
didn't work for me. I once wrote this song called

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Johnny and Mary. It just was terrible. It needed to
be silenced.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
And you're very much an impression is sort of lyricsist
to me. It's like, I just feel like it's just I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Just think there should be just just just lyrical mountain
hooks in a mountain for you to grab onto, and
you can choose all of them, you know. Dylan said,
the hardest thing for any songwriter is that lyricist is
that no verse is as good as the best verse,

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and no line is as good as the best line.
And I don't know if I agree with that, because
he did loads of great lines. But it's just that
you You That's what it's all about for me, The
slings and hours of words and the power of words,
and this is what got me here. You know, I
know I'm not, by any stretch the best singing. Definitely
not the best song, right, it's definitely not the best.

(01:15:12):
It's up last any stretch. But somehow the alchemy of
my things has given me life to this point on
this great that's what cost to this point. I'll take it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
I will argue that you are a wonderful singer, and
you might be able to answer a question Phil raised
on an episode we just did because we were listening
to the Springsteen. You put out seven CDs of unreleased work,
and one of them is why It's too much.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
It's actually too much for me, Bruce.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
One of the albums is sort of a burnback rack standard,
kind of beautiful sixties ballad record. And yes you asked.
You know, a critic we had on how can you
sing like that gravelly rock guy and sing like that?

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
But this is a technical thing. Yeah, But I.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Think as a singer, like I've you've not done here,
Rod Stewart standards record, and I thank you for not
doing that. But but like when I listened to wander
Lust and I go back and maybe this is another song,
you know, like maybe love and it's the same like
and I don't know if you felt very A and
RT on that record, but I will say you're like

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Brian Ferry, one of those guys who can have the
post punk, great rock vocalist but also a beautiful singer.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
To me, you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
Can you explain to Phil how does Bruce sing? He
sings beautifully on this record? Is it a different because.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Well, it was a bit of a I don't know
what I felt about when he said that he when
he did those shows, was it the Beacon Theater? We
talked about how he never been inside a factory, he
never lived that call a life.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
He puts on personas which yes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
So therefore, and he's a really serious earnest man, right,
he's very whenever I've seen him, he's not the first
person for a laugh. You just seem like very very
that is serious, right, So when that came about, I
thought it was I felt disconnect about it. I didn't
quite understand. And then it just is just writing a character.

(01:17:20):
He's a novelist as such, and I don't know what
his background was, but it suited that thing. So therefore,
maybe when he takes on a softer hue he can
think in a different way. And plus that's a you know,
we will stylize, you know, our voices to sound to
fit actually to be to fit over the music. You know,

(01:17:40):
mine comes from the guitars being really loud. So even
though I speak quite quietly when I speak in life,
when I sing, it has to be quite forceful to
get through that wall of sound.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
But I think my question is more technical. How does
Bruce Springsteen who came up for decades singing like that?

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
That's his voice, right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Different part of your voices. So it's just if you
think of it like this, the voice is incredible and
I'm still learning a lot about it. I was working
on it recently, mine a lot, so I worked with
a new singing coach, and it's really where you put
the sound. And in fact, there's incredible singing teachers on
Instagram where they will show you. They'll take it like

(01:18:30):
you did that sound and they'll they'll do the mixture.
So it's just with Springsteen, he just he sat on
that sound for Bruce and the work he does amazing songs, right,
and then when he's doing the standards, it's taking his
voice into different like it's not in the throat. It's
in the top of his It's like inside the top

(01:18:51):
of the throat, it's a whole different spe So you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
Can avoid like, let's say that smooth.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
It's like you just you choose the the space you
put it in.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
I think I get it to a certain degree. But
I would imagine the inside of his throat is shredded
and you can't then go back to having a smooth
voice come out of that sound.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Is just the flapping That sound is the vocal is
a vocal cause the flapping the way that are it's
when it's the thing. They flap really quickly, So if
you do it, you don't flap quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Yes, So it's not about it's not about damage to
your vocal cords that has produced the gravelly sound that
we know from them. That's a way of.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Saying, it's an affectation.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Really, that's isn't that fascinating?

Speaker 5 (01:19:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
No, no, I thought, yeah, And you get into it
and you you you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
So it doesn't hurt like I think if we tried
to sing that way, we would hurt ourselves.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
When I remember as a kid, it was really dumb.
My first dad joke I ever heard was this thing
where I said, uh, tonight road Stewart canceled due to
his voice got better.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
That's really so.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
I just it's just the style. I mean when I
say affectation, isn't it sounds it sounds like a choice
sounds of harsh works. It's not like it's effect.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
No, it's a choice of how to s's an approach.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Yeah, I swear.

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
Listen, it's believable.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
What you could do it in the shower if you
were to decide, oh, sing like Elvis.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
I understand going deeper or higher.

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
That I understand, right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
But I don't understand right because if I tried to
sing like Bruce Springsteen, Born to Run, I would have
to be in the hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Well, he's one of the world's greatest singers, isn't he.
It's not easy to be Bruce.

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
David. You should stop trying.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
Yes, now we've taken I just looked at the clocks.

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
Yes, we've taken a lot of his We should.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
I have enjoyed myself if we've loved it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
Just to finish up with your record, can you say
anything about what like again, this I beat loneliness does
not feel like it's not a contractual obligation. It feels
like you're on a you know, a mission. Yeah, you're
on a mission. What did this record mean to you?
And and and are you excited to sing some of
these songs like when you Get Out?

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
I think that in this current world where everybody wants
a better life, but it's really hard to find that
better life, and especially for younger people, I think the
odds are really stacked against you know, between AI, between
the sort of the job market where you know, being

(01:21:45):
saturated in areas that might excite people, it's very hard
for people to figure out what will they do in
this life? And on a mental health level, I think
that there's an chronic issue with suicide around the world,
you know, and music has always had such a great
power to lift people up in their worst times. So

(01:22:06):
I think that it just felt really right to make
a record that spoke to people. We really seem to
forget that everything is a process and it's not always
about the finished article to get something done, and people
think that things come quicker than they should, and it
leads to a lot of discontent and a lot of disconnection.

(01:22:28):
In the most connected world, there's so much disconnection and loneliness.
So when I thought of that phrase, you know, and
they're just like moments where I'm making music and I
think of something and I write it down. I was like,
that really informed the whole record, just to make it
as honest as possible, so people could hear that every
my own struggles would be their struggles and you can

(01:22:50):
resolve things through tenacity and time and patience and communication
and reaching out. The only numbers I included on the
record is like for suicide helplines and a sort of
substance abuse program around the world to contact for anything
like that. So there's a real meaning or action behind
the words. And then to go ahead and make the

(01:23:10):
most personal record I could yet keep it exciting and
you know, vivid, and so I hope that we got that.
It's hard to put all that music, all those details
into quick sentences, but I think that this record is
there to elevate people, to make people not feel alone.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Well, get the record today and then in Europe after that,
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Yeah? Well I'm pretty easy to see.

Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
I'm easy to see.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
Thank you so much, Thank.

Speaker 5 (01:23:37):
You again, Thank you so much.

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