Phil & David's Top 10 Albums with Andy Kindler Sittin' In

"Naked Lunch" responds to Apple Music's 100 Best Albums with a little list of their own. Phil and David countdown many of their favorite albums ever -- joined by stand up comedian, actor and musician Andy Kindler. To learn more about building community through food and "Somebody Feed the People," visit the Philanthropy page at philrosenthalworld.com.

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order online or through their app.HI. Everybody welcome to a very special
David Wilde influenced naked lunch. Thisis because Apple Music came out with their
definitive I think they thought list ofthe one hundred greatest records albums of all
time, and it's been pretty controversial. And the truth is, I grew

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up at Rolling Stone making these listsof the best albums, and I've always
hated the list. Truthfully, Whogives a shit? Would anyone else think?
Because that's always It's like music isso personal and so meaningful, but
you might get turned onto something likeyou we're looking at this Rolling Stone,
not rolling Stone, Apple Music listof the one hundred greatest albums of all

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time? And you might disagree,and I do with a lot of the
things that are on there and alot of things that are left out,
but it might turn me on tosomething I never thought of before and go
get it and listen to it.Absolutely, So why don't you tell me?
Because I mentioned this just yesterday toPhil and within moments he had written
down ten albums. Well, Ithought the best way to do it,

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to get the true heart of whatyou feel, is to do it without
thinking what are the first ten albumsthat come to mind? If somebody said
what are your favorite records? AndI think the argument for that is when
I look at like an Apple listand some other lists that I've seen over
the years, Yeah, you cansee you could call it virtue signaling.

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You could see that the list seemsshaped by, you know, certain cultural
desires to hit certain demos. AndI feel like the album as an art
form may have peaked at a certainpoint in history, so as a result,
you know, or maybe into ourages, like we often talk about
our favorite films and our favorite albums, and some of our favorite TV shows

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were the seventies, And it couldbecause that's when you were first introduced one
and when we were growing up,right, and when it hits you at
that time in life, that becomesyour thing. Let's build the means to
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The dressing on the side, it'snaked lunch clothing optional. We have
a special guest today, Andy Kindler. He's moderating what music from what period
is your music? It was Myfirst albums were, uh, I had
Waiting, I had a Doors album. I had courtsmus Stills and Nash and

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Young so great. So came ageabout late sixties, early seventies. Yeah,
but I was also young enough becauseI was born fifty six right to
love the Beatles through me. Andso I thought Hard Day's Night was like
a documentary. Yes, that's whatI thought it was, Yes, you
know, and so yeah that's uhso I very very quickly got into but

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I had like like After the goldRush by Neil Young is one of my
favorite albums. And and then Ia lot of but I like his country.
I like a lot of country thatbecause a lot of rock and roll
comes from country. I didn't getinto country until much later. We have
our theme song by Brad Paisley,which you're welcome to put on your list
of the best theme songs of all. Okay, cool, but Phil,

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why don't you start? What wasthe first album you wrote? Down?
Four into row Bye? Not familiarwith that one. I'm from New Jersey,
a nice Jewish boy named Bruce Springsteen. And it's really interesting that Phil
chows that, because I will sayI because I I did some somewhat consciously
not include everyone I thought film mightcover, you know, I wanted to.

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So the truth is I would putit. I would put a Bruce
record on my top ten, butit would not be Born to Run,
which would be my second favorite.My first would be Darkness, where I
feel like it's like the Romance epic. Yes, uh, you know obviously
that's Born to Run to find thepersona. But then I think immediately following
it, yeah, with such asomething that cut a little bit more to

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me. It wasn't immediate. Hecouldn't record for three years. He had
time to think about it, andhe got and he got upset. There
were loss So Darkness is a darkeralbum, and I like My favorite persona
of Bruce Springsteen's is the fun rippedthe roof off the place show. That's

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what I love. So it's notthat I don't love all is Right Kurts,
but the ones that are real rockand roll and really fun are my
favorite. I would never argue withBorn to Run. It was the record
of my high school years or middleschool years where I would play on a
tennis racket in my bedroom. Thatentire record. I then went back to

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everything else Bruce had ever done.But what song would you pick from the
fine because I think we should dolike a little sound up of a song
from each of these. Well,my favorite Bruce Bringsteen song is the one
that is to me the most fun, the most majestic, the most Bruce,
and that's tenth Avenue Freezer. Let'shear a little of Tenth Avenue Freeze

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out because I'm running the bus outand I got my back to the wall
Freeze standard in the Jungle under Chickenthat was given. You know you're a

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couple of years older, Bruce.What it Bruce me to you? I'm
from New Jersey the exact age tolove Bruce, uh and I don't remember
the Beatles in real time, Isort of I remember the Wings in real
time, and then went back tothe US. What what does Bruce Springsteen
mean to you? Who? Springsteen? I first didn't like because I was
a Dylan fanatic. I thought hesounded too much like Dylan. But I

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was also jealous because I wasn't havinga career, So I was a why
is this guy from New Jersey inthe bags in the little and so I
have to say, that's uncanny.Look, I'm sorry, it sounds exactly
like he's having a stroke. Whothese people? Uh? So it took

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me a long time to get tolike him, and I like and now
I do like him. I likeda Tunnel of Love. I like Nebraska.
I really do love him, butnot like everybody else's. I wouldn't
put them. Have you ever beento a show? Now? Why?
And Yeah? I went to onea few weeks ago. It is It
is sort of like a spiritual rebirth, and even one that was clouded a

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little bit by you know, theprices and all sorts of issues. I'd
say the greatest performer I've ever seenme you and Bruce Trash, Yeah,
that would be quite by the way, Double Bill. Did you ever open
for any comedians? Did you everdo? I think Amy Man? Yeah,
well I did, I did.I did a lot of the Amy
Man I think I used to seeyou, yes, amy Man. Yeah.
And those are rough crowds too.People music fans don't even like when

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musicians do comedy, you know whatI mean, like on the stage,
like why was he talking? Youknow? So so it's it was kind
of a tough crowd. It wasn'tlike a really tough crowd. Randy Newman,
who is I know someone you love? Because I was on a Randy
Newman podcast and you were on thesame one, and I listened to your
episode talking about Randy The Wheel ofRandy, Yes, the Wheel of Randy.
We were both on the Have youbeen on the Wheel of Randy?

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No? You should. But Randymanwhen I had this show on Bravocal Musicians,
goes, I talked about all abouthis humor because to me, it's
like the Beatles and Randy. It'slike the humor is so tied to the
music. He goes, Yes,it may have been a mistake being so
funny. He goes, it maybe the reason people don't Actually a lot
of people don't like me it's veryinteresting. Well, yeah, it's funny.

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I mean just the funny and alsojust flat out the funniest songs like
the Boom Goes London, Boom Powerdy, so funny. I'm gonna pick the
first album I wrote down, andI'll say cause I've had to debate it
on different shows, But the lastfive years or so, I've decided my
favorite record of all time is StevieWonder Songs in the Key of Life.
I have it. Oh you haveit on your list too, Yeah,

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And I'll say the reason I asit because I think it sort of came
out of all these shows where youasked for your Desert Island disc. And
it's a way to cheat because it'slike two and a half, right,
It's like it's a lot of music. It was two albums, two LPs
and then forty five with two songson each side. Do you remember that

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it was two and a half records? And I am the exact age where
I was. He opened up MyHeart and Soul and Ears to Music seventy
six, seventy six, which tome, what's funny is when we work
together on this tribute to heroes telethon. Joel Gallon called and said, Stevie
Wonder's going in the show. Whatsong should he do? And I said,
and I hadn't. It's like thisis like we're in the shock of

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nine to eleven. And I said, there's a song called Loves in Need
of Love today, And I thinkI was going to play Sir Duke,
because that sort of did literally openup. I think Stevie Wonder is our
Duke Ellington and our Louis Armstrong inone of those just wide game changing figures
in music. But let's play Lovesin Need of Love today because when we
when he did telethon, it soundedlike he had written it for two thousand

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and one nine to eleven, andit's still relevant to du saus In He's

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I know, I happen to knowAndy's very anti Stevie Wonder. No,
that's not true. We had one. No. I actually was winning in
the Super Bowl thing with Letterman.I was sitting next to Stevie one they're
wrapping. Andy has my favorite lineever on you know he was a correspondent
for David Letterman. Yes, andhe would go out in the field and

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do these field pieces and he didan occult piece visiting tarot card readers and
palm readers, and he had histarot cards read and they, I mean,
to their credit and yours. Theylet the whole thing go, right,
the whole full tarot card and I'mgonna let you do you you had

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one question for this person when theywere all done. Would you say it's
more? Well I forgot the line? Who forgot? Yeah, yeah,
it's more. It's my favorite thing. Would ever say this is bullshit?
Would you say this is more horseshitor bullshit? And they left it in
They bleeped shit. But boy didI fall off the couch last, and

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Jeremy and Jeremy the writer wrote thatfor me. Jeremy Winer, oh not
Jeremy Stevens from No No, NoWow. Yeah, he wrote that line
for me. Well, you deliveredit perfectly and it was hysterical. What's
the next album? Back to music? Yes, well, I you know.
The very next thing I wrote wasthe Springsteen seventy five to eighty five

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live album, which, for thepurposes of this, I'm going to discount
because you want albums, real studioalbums, right, and we established not
rule live, but my rule formyself was I'm not repeating any artist,
okay, so that I could,Oh, you had two of fum,
the same artist I did right offthe bat he had two by Bruce right

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there. Well, just again wentoff the top of my head. And
my criteria was what did I listento the most? What did I never
take like when it came out?Did I never take off the turntable?
I'm now thinking of things that Ididn't write down, but it's okay.
The stranger Billy Joe. Wow,I'm sort of pleasantly surprised because I didn't.

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I don't think we've discussed Billy Joelthat much. Weirdly, because of
the Grammys this year, I've thoughta lot about him because he did,
you know, his sort of firstsong in Forever, And I realized,
like that, this takes me backto my again missing the Beatles in real
time, but I did not missWe had Bruce and Billy Joel, and
I remember because I was from NewJersey, but I went to Cornell,

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and I remember to Cornell, theclosest thing we had to like a hip
hop feud was Billy versus Bruce.Like there were the kids in the glasshouses,
sweatshirts, and it's in the like, uh, well, if you
came from a Long Island, youwere Billy Joel and if you came from
Jersey, you were Bruce Springstein.Yes. And I actually the longer I
live, the more I like themboth. And I wonder, because you're
a real you are a musician,you have actual musical talent. The thing

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I always think about Billy is heactually does have a And he told me
I'm not half as good as EltonJohn as a piano player, right,
he does have a palette of music, yes, knowledge that I think.
I'll tell you though. I Iused to make uh. I used to
make fun of him because I woulddo this song about that. The worst

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lyric and music is uh, yeah, what's the scotch and what's the thing
that the ordering? What's the drinkingorders in that? And then red a
bottle of white? No, itgoes in there. He goes, uh,
sitting with a engin such things atonic and gen rhymes right, So

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it was like, let me havea soda in Scotch, right, and
then they're just like uh, IWe'll go through the whole song like,
yeah, she's a real estate novelist, right, she is this that she
sells real estate during the day andshe writes novels at night. And then
why does the microphone smell like abeer? You're using the goddamn microphone.

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Did you ever think that he wasa terrible alcoholic? Oh? Well he
was when he was doing that.Well, he was the b I think
it's I think it's fair to saythe microphone smells like beer and be self
deprecating about it. She smells likebeer because of me. He drank more
than any human I've ever been around. Oh my, when I did a
cover story in Rolling Stone where hehad during the day, I was in

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rehearsals at a police armory where hewould rehearse so the police would then not
arrest him when they picked him upfor drunk driving. And he drank like
nine beers through the day. Thenwe went back to my hotel, which
was like some holiday inn on theisland near there, and he drank h
all night and then nine sam bucaand coffee. I don't even know what
sambuca is. It's one in themorning, and I go to the front

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desk and I say, can Iget a room for mister Joel because I
think he should sleep this off,and they said, we have no more
rooms. We're fully booked for thenights that we would have to stay in
your room, which if my roomhad two beds, I would have offered
it, but my room had onebed so I said, well, good
luck, Billy, and he gothome that night. So that was not
the most drunk he'd ever been,because he got picked up a number of
times, so I'm pretty sure hismicrophone did smell like at least a beer.

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This record came out, I believelate last year. It's a live
album from Billy Joel from nineteen seventyfive, and it's phenomenal. It's amazing.
It's really great. I mean,in the seventies, unbelievable. Yes,
I would go with good Old Boysand Salloway. I wouldn't even know
which to pick because they're both amazing. I wrote the liner notes for both

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of them when they were real Shoeand I Halt and I had Randy on
the phone just going through. Hewould just talk about those records, and
then he was so amazing that Ihad him on a talk show I had.
If it can anyone can find it, I don't know if it's on
YouTube, but he was on myshow Musicians and the studio the network which
was Bravo, said, I said, I just want to get Randy at

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the piano and I'll ask him questionsfrom the piano because he was such a
great conversationalist when he's sitting at apiano. He was less comfortable just sitting
in a chair. And so ifyou ever could see that show, I
literally go, Hi, Randy,let's go to the piano, because they
said you can't, you have tostart on the stage. Ah, And
I literally said, Hey, Randy, let's go to the piano. And
he was the greatest guest I everhad him talking about music, so great

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you worked with him and he's sogreat. He's amazing. See that one
where he brings out the guys.He brings out the Lenny Wahrenker and Russ
Tilleman and he brings them out.I don't know what this thing was.
And then he brings them out andthen he goes, this was a mistake
to bring for you guys out becauseI didn't realize that he was afraid to
perform and stuff. Because I wentto see him perform and was canceled because

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he did cancel shows because he ofstage fright. He's a fascinating, complicated
guy, really interesting guy, reallyfunny guy, very sweet guy. But
you know, everybody has their things, and it may it may even be
relevant to like you being the comedianscomedian. He once told me, he
goes, I'm really lucky I wasn'ttwenty percent better at the piano because I

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would be broke, like because ifI could have become a classical musician like
people wanted me to, I wouldhave nothing. But look at the film
scores, he wrote, I mean, he's he's super told I was.
I happened to be working on theOscars when he won and when he came
off the stage because he's like,you know, he had great fun with
not winning the year, right,but I was so happy for him when

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he won. Yes, he's legitimately, you know, his family is Hollywood's
Rosing loyalty, and so it wasreally like him making a film a Yes,
Alford and Linel I guess, andyeah, his father was a dentist,
but you know they were. Hiscousin was to cover a Man magazine
for years, a big influence.Okay, so that was you had,

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so you just did Billy Joel,so I get another one, right,
Yeah, well, I'm going togo back to I want to put the
Beatles second because it's sort of likewhen I look at the Apple list and
it's like Lauryn Hill, Michael Jacksonthe first two. I'm like, I
kind of think the Beatles should besomewhere up there, and I think they're
pretty big. Yeah, I thinkthey're pretty good fab you might even say.

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But and usually people put Sergeant Peppernumber one, and I my estimation
of it is quite high, butit's never been my favorite. My favorite
two because I love the period peoplealways go. There's people who are older
than any of us who go,I like the early Beatles, the innocent
you know, I like that stuff. But I find the most interesting are

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the two records Revolver and Right.I think that's the moment where you see
the past become the future, wherethey they are taking like the Everly Brothers
and Carl Perkins and all these chuckBerry Little Richard and they're sort of now
going into the future. And forme, Revolver gets this slight edge on
Rubber Soul. Amazing, amazing albumand what song would you pick? Well

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for the songs, What's Funny isthe only one I'm doing this for because
of the I'm pretty sure I fromlistening to Andy, I think you're a
Lenin guy, a little more thana McCartney I used to be. But
I I don't like to drop names. But Michael Penn, thank you,
You're welcome. He actually turned mearound to say, like I traditionally came
up thinking that Lennon was this,but he really turned me around to show

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it's the combination. The combination thedocumentary that Peter Jackson, Yeah, shows
you the genius of Paul McCartney morethan anything else I've ever seen. Yeah,
And I think that yeah, andI'm sure Lennin would agree with that
as well. Well, then Ijust picked. Then I will not feel
bad about I'll pick a Paul songjust but I think actually I'm not picking

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on on a Rugby. I thinkJohn actually helped more with the lyrics on
that one, and so all theBeatles did. But I'm gonna pick just
because I'm not picked. I didmention Stevie Wonder, but like the sixties
motown, I'm not representing, butgot to get you into my life.
Is an example of the Beatles takingwhat is out there in the world.
I think that was their version ofa great motown song, maybe Stevie Wonder,

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maybe Marvin you know, the sortof early and Got to get You
into My Life is one of themost undeniable songs of all time. So
let's hear a little of God.To get you into my life? To
get you into my life? Whatcan I do? What can I be?

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When I'm with you? I wantto study if I'm too, let
me even if I do. Iknow the way. I picked the Beatles
record too, and I picked theWhite Album interesting, and I think that's
one that is more. There wasa time when it was too tied with

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sort of the end, But latelyI hear a lot of people mentioning I
think the Appleis picked Abbey Road astheir top Beatles, right, But I
love the range on the White Album. And maybe I like it because it's
a double album and there's more Beatles, you know, But to me it
has everything. It seemed like almoststream of consciousness, but so many well

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crafted songs, from ballads like Juliato real rock and roll like back in
the USSR. Incredible. It's hilarious. That is a hilarious That's a Randy
Newman level hilarious song. And peopledon't even pick up on that anymore,
but if you think about it,it literally was like a satire of Beach

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Boys and it's brilliant. And youlet them hear those bata lacas ring hysterical,
right, Absolutely, no, that'sa great risk. So we're gonna
hear a little back in the Us. Let's do that one on the face.

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See it's good to be home,do moto do him back in the
case us, back us, backus. I will now pick uh one

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of the more obvious and one thathas often comes up as a number one
over the last thirty years for people. And I've been thinking about Brian Wilson
a lot because obviously he's going througha lot, and I knew his wife
and I've spent time around him.So I do say pet Sounds deserves credit
for a game changing musical statement.And I actually had the experience of going

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in the studio with the Beach Boyswhen they reunited, not the last time
that they did with with Brian,and he showed me I think I've told
you this, but he goes seethat dent in the wall. I go,
yeah, yeah, he goes,that's where my dad pushed my head.
And you realize this guy went fora lot like like Michael Jackson,

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Brian Wilson, they did not havegood dads, and they I think they
had dads that helped create the geniusand also probably make the geniuses. You
know, have issues in different ways. But so I will pick pet sounds
proudly and uh, let's hear.God only knows which which amazing, So

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let's hear a little then IV heavengood SHUDV so not good God? What.

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their app. You mentioned this youngman, and this album didn't leave my
turntable for at least the table willbe ninety one hundred and two. We're

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talking about record albums. I'm sorryyou're real to reel. I never had
all the fancy people I have realto reels. Did you have a real
real But I had a friend Ithought that's when I heard a reel to
reel, I thought, that's thebest sound I've ever heard of my life.
I had a friend, Doug Stein, whose father was a top shrink,
and he had a reel to reeland I remember he had Chicago like
live at Carnegie Hall on reel toreel, like oh wow. And I

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would go over at his house andI think, here's a weird fact that
I recently sort of was reminded ofdown the block. There was another friend
who you know, all you haveyour friends who were there's certain friends who
were friends with for years, andthen there's a guy who were really close
to for a year or so.There was a friend of mine named Tommy
Algae at the time, and helived down from Doug Stein and I think
they had a reel to reel intheir house. Possibly, but Tom as

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tom Lord Algae. He went onto be one of the biggest producers and
engineers and remix guys. He's theguy who did like Steve Winwood back in
the High Life and all. He'syou know, he and his brother they
added Lord I think in tribute totheir moms because I think their dad was
out of the picture. So butthat's I'm derailing. I like the way

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you said that I'm derailing it.So I'm sorry. Where did we leave
off at? I was about totell you JT from James Taylor, the
JT album. Yeah, I lovethat record. Not a not a not
a dud on that record. Phil. What's funny is you know how Phil
has as loving and supportive as heis when he is a fan boy moment,

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it is equally sincere like we dida benefit for Sean Penn and James
Tayler was there and there was noone else when James rehearst except Phil and
I sitting there and we just staredat him and as great as now.
A lot of people compare you Andyto James Taylor because it's Karen tu versus
Your Smiling Face and some of thebest songs of that. Do you do

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you as a singer songwriter type?Love have love for James Taile, absolutely
amazing love for him, and Iused to play I used to play his
songs, and also I wanted tosay that going I would say my favorite
song is maybe Going to Carolina inmy mind for the early earlier years and

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knocking around the Zoo yes with DannyKortchma and all those Yeah, yeah,
that first Apple record you go backto it. It's pretty deep. But
I will say that JT. Iagree, that's my favorite James Taylor record.
Songs. Your Smiling Face all great. I can't believe that the only
album I had a couple of hours, but I only remember this album.

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The weirdest thing is I think theonly the song I like the least on
the record is Handyman, which wasthe big, big transcendent hit. I
love the record because it also rockedlike Honey, Don't Leave La was a
very sort of by the way hehas literally the secret of life is in
that record. Let's hear a littleof that secret life is enjoying passing time.

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Any food, Dude, there ain'tnothing to nobody knows how we got
to the top of that. Hesays that you know what the secret of
life is? He says it.He comes right out and says, the
secret of life is enjoying the passageof time. Pretty good, right,

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well, can't get better, can'tget better. Uh, it's kind of
a fitting follow up to JT.Someone who loved James Taylor and James Taylor
loved her Court and Spark by JoniMitchell ox one and you know what's funny.
I got reminded doing the Grammys thisyear and being around that performance by

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Jony of both Sides, Now thatis I think that is my favorite song.
But Corton Spark is the record wherea lot of like the sophistication that
I would learn to appreciate. Uh, my world was opened up by hearing
Corton Spark and just a sort ofjazzy nuances that began. I think more

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with that record to sort of andwith the session player, she was using
that sort of la session gods thatshe would play with UH. But I
think we should hear a little bitof a song that Freeman in Paris is
the greatest thing ever inspired by aexecutive. It's written about David Geffen,
and yet I don't I don't havea negative opinion of them. It's an

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amazing song. You love David Geffenin this song, not if you met
him. I know that there's troublesd No. No, you've seen the
documentary Wry about him where Jackson Brown'salso why he goes like Jackson Brown's the
Vegas yelling. He's yelling. Oneof the greatest two days of my life
was Moe Austin, who was inthat PBS documentary called Me and Mouston was

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an right. He was an uttermench great man. I loved him and
I knew him a little bit,but I got to know him very well
in the later years of his lifebecause he literally said, David, I
never did press and I'm gonna agreeto do this PBS documentary on UH on
David Geffen. So he actually hiredme to spend two days asking everything about

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his life that he might be asked. And so we talked Sinatra, we
talked everything, and it was andthen I ended up writing. At the
end of his life, he wasso generous. He would have to give
speeches because he kept on building basketballgyms and you know, a huge charitable
guy like this guy like like Philand so he had to give speeches sometimes
and I'd come over to the houseand it was great to get to know

(30:56):
him. Uh but so uh butnow forgetting he tried to David Gepham remember
to try to sue Neil Young becausethat was his lowest point. Maybe that
was a complicated moment. Yes,we're uh, stop making records that don't
sound like Neil Young. And look, Neil Young was like, I think
I know what Neil Young sounds likebetter than you. But let's hear freeman

(31:17):
in. I was a free manthan alive. There was nobody calling me
out f favers the one future tothis side, you know, taking on
stoking the star machine. All right, I'm gonna change it up a little

(31:45):
now, Yes, because we've beentalking about mostly I think it's fair to
say, uh, pop music recordsrock pop, rock and pop and soul.
How about this the original Broadway castrecording of West Side Story. What's

(32:06):
the matter with him? Do youthink it's a genetic? I think it's
extraordinary stuff, you know? Andno, no, I'm I did not
count. I think it does count, you know exactly. H I grew
up listening to this. I thinkit's the best score of anything ever could

(32:28):
who there's something do any day?I will know right away. As soon
as it's you make them cannonballing downthrough the sky, clean and its eyebright
as a role, I will say, officer, crumky crump you crumky crumky

(32:49):
crunky crump you. Yes. Iremember my parents. That was the I
think about the records that you hadin the piece of furniture that was like
your stereosten to it every day growingup. I love West Side Story well,
by the way. I don't thinkit's fair to judge a movie for
what it's not, but I doblame the movie and the filmmakers for leaving

(33:14):
out West Side Story out of LenderBernstein's souls. That's why my friend,
my partner, Josh was saying thattoo. Yeah, it's like, oh,
you didn't feel to you didn't feellike you learned a lot of the
major things. This is completely unfairfor anyone to say, But I wish
the movie had been what I wantedit to be, which is the making

(33:34):
of West Side Story. I thinkyou would have learned everything you needed to
know about the greatest American composer whereever lived and the making of this most
incredible work of art. Where imaginethe scenes where Leonnard Bernstein, Stephen Sondheim,
and Jerome Robbins are in the roomtogether creating this thing. Wow,
that became the great one of thegreat works of art. On a positive

(33:57):
side, if you do want toseek out the story the we talked about
David Geffen's American Masters documentary. Oneof the best ever is the Leonard Bernstein
American Masters Documentary. It does getto the sort of heart of his musical
genius and the complexities of the worldshe inhabited. Yes, and go to
YouTube and look for this documentary.It's called the Making of West Side Story,

(34:21):
but it's it's no, It's calledBernstein Conducts West Side Stories. So
Bernstein, in his later years wantedthe definitive recording of the score because it
always, as he says in theThing, it had always been cast the
show with dancers who could sing,not singers. Wow, so he got
the best opera people who weren't you'venever cast them in these roles, but

(34:44):
vocally they could hit those notes.So Kirie Takanawa is Maria, and Jose
Carreras, who's Spanish, is playingTony, who's obviously not Spanish in the
show. But they can sing theseparts. And he's got a full Lincoln
Center orchestra, and he's conducting thething, and you see his personality.

(35:07):
You see him get mad, yousee him get you know, you seem
the joy that he had. Thatit came out more than any movie that's
been done about him or will everbe done about him. Yes, Bernstein
conducts West Side Story. Get thatwatch that, you will be happy.
My next one is and I debate. Originally I wrote down Blonde on Blonde

(35:28):
by Bob Done, which would bethe I think, the usual critical point
of view, and then I said, I have to go more to Phil's
idea of what I've played the mostand what really connected with me. Yeah,
blood in the tracks, Blood onOh, which I the first when
I first met a girl and fellin love. I was really young,
like thirteen, fellow Laura Wharton,this was the soundtrack of my first love,

(35:50):
and it's like you then becomes centricof your first breakup, and it
is the most powerful record about loveever made. And this is the beginning
of where I start to explain therecords I didn't put but I knew,
knowing Phil would pick Bruce prominently likethe four Times, Yes exactly, I
didn't. I would put Darkness onthe Edge of Town. I would put

(36:12):
David Bowie Honky Dory, uh,because with the song for Bob Dylan,
because those are all people who andVan Morrison, there's all sorts of connected
ones. But I'm gonna go withBlood on the Tracks, and I would
like to hear a little bit ofUh. I think one of the greatest
songs I ever written, one ofmany Bob Dylan songs where he would even
change the lyric over the years,A little bit Tangled Up in Blue.

(36:32):
It's a perfect song to me.They never did like Mama's homemade dress.
Papa's playing for was figuos and Iwere standing on the side of the road,
rain falling on my shoes heading upof the east cars. Lood knows.
I've paid some dudes getting through tanglingup in blues. David. For

(37:00):
those of you listening, I ama novice the music thing. David really
knows what he's talking about. AndAndy is a musician too. Usually listen
to them before you listen to me. No, no, but your opinion,
you know, the great unwashed?What we want? I was thinking
about not recently showered. Yes,okay, here's an interesting one I think

(37:20):
for you. Yes, I've recentlyseen Billie eilish Uh talk about Lena del
Ray and and what an influence shewas on her and Taylor Swift brought Lana
del Ray up at the Grammys tosay, what a great influence Landa del
Ray. But you know who influencedLana del Ray. It's very obvious and

(37:40):
has influenced everyone since is Ricky LeeJones. I could listen to her all
day. I love her, andmy favorite album of hers is Pirates.
Yes, unbelievable, you like it? Yes, it's Walter Becker. Is
I think the produced that was FlyingCowboys? I am wrong. There's three

(38:05):
that are amazing, right, ButFlying Cowboys. Okay, that might be
my favorite, Ricky Lee. Ilove Walter Becord's production, and he's gonna
come up in a minute. Yes, oh god, I love Stealing,
but I love that record. ButI think Pirates arguably is the most It's
where she and Tom Waits is probablynot on either one of our lists,
but is. I think that's somethingwe all probably love. I think Pirates

(38:27):
is where she like I think they'dbroken up by then, but it's like
she channeled a little of his geniusin addition to her own. But I
love the production of the album.I think the instrument fantastic. Incredibly.
Her book is amazing. Last Chance, Texas, please get it. I
have seen her a number of times. She does not perform enough for my
taste. I would see her everyyear if I could. I think she's

(38:51):
just great. You could bring herinto the house. I could and invite
me our friend e. You mightknow Mark from the Eels. You know
e Mark Everett, No, Markwho's known as He once invited me because
you want to come to lunch?I said, sure, he goes in
silver Lake. He goes regularly.Jones is going to come. I was
like, oh my god, andso we have to we let's remember this

(39:15):
time. I'm sure she would comeon the podcast. Should you're sure?
Yes? When she? I think, I think she yes, I think
she will. I think I wouldbe tongue tied. I don't think I
could get talk to her. Oh, come on, Dick, she's incredible.
Let me put on a phil suit. Okay, what song would you
like to people to hear? Let'sdo h Woody and Dutch. It's so
fun that song. But but Monica, when Ben was three years old,

(39:40):
took Ben and our dog to thedog park by the reservoir and Ben saw
a lady on a bench in thedog park playing guitar and was naturally just
attracted. Yes, and walked overthere, and this lady smiled at Ben.
This is what Monica said and playeda song for Ben. It was

(40:02):
Ricky Lee Jones. Wow. AndI when I heard this, I just
slapped you. Weren't there? Youweren't there? No, No, I'm
sorry, I blew your line.That's fine, it's a terrible line.
But I was so jealous. Iwished I was three years old and walked
over to Ricky. I swear sheplayed the What's the Club on Wilshire.

(40:23):
The l Ray, Yes, maybefifteen years ago, and that's a small
club, a great place to seeher. And she was tremendous. She's
always tremendous. She she's a tremendousand a little crazy in that yes artist
the way, Yes, Yes,I went on tour with Lyle when he
was on tour with her. Wasan old friend and he it was like

(40:45):
a wild ride. It was onthe Flying Cowboys tour and I think she
like had some French percussionist boyfriend.It was I think that drop, that
that flare for drama in her music. It wasn't just in the music.
I think she's a and actually readthe meme, which I have to do.
You will. You have to getthe audiobook good because she sings the
things. I'll get that incredible.I have the book, but I need

(41:07):
the audio. But she came outat the end of the l Ray that
we were just kind of hanging there. We didn't want to leave. It
was so such a beautiful, magicalnight, and she came out and talked
to us and I was like,I'm so I love you so much.
I would drop everything and follow youaround like the Grateful Death, like the
way people go to every concert.I just think she's fantastic. Did I

(41:29):
gush enough about I would go withthe uh. If I was going to
the other album, I would pickSatellites as a beautiful album, unbelievably great
song. There was an EP calledGirl at Her Volcano. Yes, she
does some covers, cover standards.Her covers are awesome. She actually I
think it's mainly like American songbook stuff. But I think she does walk Away
Renee Yes, which is one ofMY favorite songs of all time. She's

(41:50):
great. My next to move forwarda little in time, I'm going to
move right back. But yeah,because a lot of these artists I sort
of missed the I had to goback to fall in love with them,
the artist of our times who Ilove the most, who I was there
for every bit of it. AndI was in college and I heard a
record. It was not the firstrecord I heard. The first single that
was a song called I Want toBe Your Lover, which I love.

(42:13):
But then Dirty Mind by Prince cameout and it was this filthy, great
visceral thing that reflected all sorts ofgreat influences in soul and rock, and
I just loved him. But I'mgoing to pick a record called Sign of
the Times that just means the worldto me. And when we did the
Grammy Tribute to a Prince, whichoh it's on Phil's list too, whoa,

(42:36):
that's amazing, And that's actually wouldbecause I would have figured you would
have might have picked Purple Rain,but never record Sign of the Times.
Really was it a double record too? Yes, yeah, that's maybe I'm
attracted to double records. Yes,I mainly go with I have a lot
of double records here. But whenwe did the Grammy Salute to Prince,
we kept on finding our way towardssongs from this album, and I want

(43:00):
to play the title track just becauseit was And here's the people. I'm
not picking because they were ahead ofmy time, but I have gone back
and fall in love with them completely. Marvin Gaye, What's going on?
Sly Stone Stand, which Everyday Peopleis one of my favorite songs of all
time. But I'm letting Prince representthat because he was my sly my Marvin.

(43:22):
I just thought he was at hisbest, he was spoke to the
times. And so let's hear alittle sign of the time. If nine
little bomb phones about to see thedoll time is a siding, not with

(43:43):
the rocket rolls, and and everybodystill seventy, haven't Juliet mixed up?

(44:07):
For me? The greatest soap operaand rock and roll history? Rumors by
Fleetwood Mac let's hear go your ownway? Uh? Is it my turn?

(44:43):
Yes? Uh? Sinatra, I'mso glad you said it, because
I was going to justify in aminute why he's not on my list?
Go ahead, what album are yougoing to pick? Well? I had
a my neighbor had a record,and this was my introduction to Sinatra.
And it's not fair because it's compilation, but it's called A Man and His

(45:07):
Music. Oh. I love Manand His Music because it's like his greatest
hits from the I think his bestperiod, which is around nineteen sixty,
right, it's sort of it wasthe retrospective before he moved on to the
end replase, right, So withthe Capitol, the late Capital or early
Reprise years. I think it wasa I believe it was Reprise, but

(45:28):
it was looking back on the wholelife exactly, and the songs on it
are swinging and great and uh,before it before he became almost I don't
want to say a parody, butit was you know, that cuckoo day,
you know, and it was justthe freest and I think his voice

(45:52):
wasn't at its peak. Then Iwill tell you it's so funny you picked
that. I thought about Sinatra alot. My favorite record emotionally of my
whole life, and it's not agreat record is the Duet's record. But
he was on because I wrote theliner notes. I mentioned my father in
the first paragraph. I think ofthe liner notes. When my dad was

(46:13):
on his deathbed, he told thenurse about, Hey, do you know
I'm on the Sinatra record because myson, you have me profound emotional connect
I have a deep and that samewriting that liner notes was a peak of
the record business. And I boughtmy engagement ring for my wife with money
from Sinatra. So emotionally, that'smy favorite record. I will not argue
that's the great, greatest. Arguably, his voice wasn't the best at that

(46:37):
right. He was still Frank Sinatra. And I tend to like late artists
later when they have to sort ofthey like johny Mitchell did at the Grammys,
when you have to require more onyour sort of phrasing than anything else,
but my if I was going topick a Sinatra, you know,
it would be like only the Lonely, because he's one of the first guys
to define an album. Yes,he's the first. But secretly I really

(47:00):
love a late record on Warner Brotherscalled She Shot Me Down, which is
just I don't know why. It'ssort of like I it's sort of like
how you love your dad the mostwhen he's like no longer a scary figure.
You sort of see the frailty alittle bit. And this was Frank
trying to sort of get himself backin the game. Wow. Just do

(47:20):
you have a favorite Sinatra track?Yes, it's always one for My Baby
and one more for the road.We're drinking my friend to the of a
brief episode. Make it one formy Baby and one More for the Road.

(47:52):
It was always a saloon song,and it was always because I,
you know, when I was writingthe liner notes, I was invited to
like dozens of gigs, and soI saw him in the late in his
last years. I saw him asmuch as most anybody because I was I
was like on the list to betreated well. And it was even if
he was forgetting lyrics and even ifhe was saying shitty things about his son

(48:15):
or whatever was going on. Youwill appreciate this. One time in Vegas
he sat me next to Spiro Agnewin the nineties, like I didn't know
spear Agnew was alive, right,yeah and no, and he shot me
opposite Spiro Agna. I was therealone in Vegas. I didn't have any
wife or friends, and I justdrove up to Vegas and I was staring
at Spiro Agnew all night. Andhe goes, ladies and gentlemen, our

(48:37):
vice president, Spiro Agnew exactly andnot our disgraced former vice president. And
spear Agnew actually went like this tome, like two little like two guns,
Like hey, you're guns, you'rea fan. But I was the
one who was caught with literal brownbags of money. He really, he
really dodged a bullet by believable peoplenot remembering. It was like a low

(48:58):
rent it's from a dry cleaner.I think he was taking cash from a
dry cleaner Baltimore's. I mean,but you think it doesn't get sleazier than
that. Oh wait, but everynight, no matter what Frank was doing
at the end of his life,there would always be the saloon song and
he would take a jacket and sitat these sort of yes, they'd make
a little bar, you know,fake on stage, and he would sing

(49:21):
it was like Angel Eyes or onefor my Baby, One for the Road,
and he would be absolutely the greatesthe ever was on that sort of
saloon right right right every time,because it doesn't matter how old you are,
right you just I used one Morefor the Road for the soundtrack for
the Clinton video for the Correspondence Center. I got permission from the Sinatra State
Tease. Yeah. On the subjectof liner notes, didn't Pete Hamill write

(49:45):
the liner notes for blowing on thetracks? Yes? Actually I think Pete
hammer we know, yes, Wow. Maybe I may be misremembering, but
my memory is that there were twodifferent sets of notes. I think he
changed them. I wrote liner notesfor his fortieth anniversary Bob Dylan concert in
New York, and it was thegreatest writerly advice I ever got. Was

(50:07):
Bob Dylan's advice was no adjectives,nouns and verbs. And it's still like,
I think it was an advice thatHemingway would give you. Wow,
nowns and verbs, no adjectives.How many do you have left? I
have. I have a few,but you can well, we can stop
whenever you want. I have two. Okay, I'll run through mine after

(50:30):
you do the next. Charles,Yes, what did you pick? Well
again, I picked the Pure Geniuscompilation because it was like the Atlantic Years.
I just think you know that that'sa good choice. Greatest of all
time. You can't. There's one. There's one album a studio called The
Genius of Ray Charles, which Ithink is where the Genius things started.
It's one of the best. Iasked him to sign it for me when

(50:51):
I went to his office, whichwas not far from here. You know,
he had an office pretty close tohere. And at the end of
the interview, I said, Inever asked this, mister Charles, Is
there any way you would signed myGenius of Ray Charles Aum He goes,
I'm not going to sign your album. He goes, how do I know
it's not a check? And I'mlike, okay, there's a guy in
your office he could confirm. I'mgoing to trust the guy, and I
almost I love that he turned medown. It's the only times I was

(51:15):
well, he should be able tofeel the difference between a check and an
album yes, you would think.So he still wouldn't sign that. That's
a great choice, and what songwould you want? I like him that
he Oh my god, I justlove everything. I just what's it Quincy
Jones who said when he plays there'severy note is perfect. When he plays

(51:36):
piano and then and then Quincy goesand when he opens his mouth, what
more do you have to say?It's like every single it seems spontaneous and
perfect at the same time. Right, everything he does, his singing is
just so. I look what hedid with country music. Yeah, I
just came. I just came backfrom Texas doing the ACM Awards, and

(51:58):
we honored, by the way,But why doesn't Beyonce mention him in interviews
and stuff. I didn't know thatshe hadn't. I know, she's obviously
trying emphasize the women who influenced rather, But no, that's we did.
We paid tribute to him, andwe actually he had been on the show
I think exactly forty years earlier,singing with George Jones. Like you talk
about country, the greatest country singer, the greatest R and B and country

(52:21):
singers in the world together, absolutely, so we could pick anything from Ray
Charles that you want to hear whateveryou want. What do you want?
We'll we'll we'll tell well after we'llhave to debate this one a little bit.
I have a there's a there's arecording he does of Oh what a
Beautiful Morning. I love that.That I think is it was on a
record that I bought like a cutoutbin when I was in college, and

(52:45):
I used to just play that songover because it's like a song. Okay,
that's that's how you interpret assault.He is his own, he made
his own. I mean, there'sthree people in the world who could do
something like that, right. Hedid that with Georgia on my Mind,
a song that had a long,long history. But what a Beautiful Morning,
I think is one of the greatestthings I've ever heard. So let's
hear. Let's hear that she said, what a beautiful moment, what a

(53:13):
wonderful day. I won't I've gota beautiful in everything's going my way.
I don't know if it's on thatrecord. I'm gonna blow through my other

(53:35):
choices and then I think we hadone day, and you comment you leave
one more left at the end,and I'll blow through a couple more Tapestry
by Carol King not terrible. Uh, and it was so funny. It's
like it's so good that it sortof makes people forget the fact that she
had this amazing career as a writerbeforehand. She had an amazing career after

(53:59):
but that song just to find thesinger songwriter movement here, she was like
this bill, bring brill building princess. And then she makes the definitive Laurel
Canyon record. And I I oftensay, like, I think I live
where I do, literally in thehouse in the neighborhood because of that record.
It's like I don't have a cat, I have a kava poo,

(54:20):
but it's close. Uh so thatuh And I'd like to hear a little.
I feel the earth moved, moveon the model, the sky tumbling.
I feel my heart started trembling.Live yo, when next, I'm

(54:52):
glad you didn't go with Smackwater jackI won't talk smack about Smack Water Jackie,
but it's not my face. Ihave two records that I'm only a
lot. I'm gonna pick the firstone, but they are two of the
bands that again I missed the Beatlesas a in real time, I did

(55:13):
not miss the Who and the Stones, and so I picked as a rock
critic. I know I'm supposed topick Exile on Main Street for the Rolling
Stones. I didn't. I'm goingto go with the Who because the truth
is, I think because they definethe sort of how you could pour everything
into rock and roll as a sortof dream and the power and importance of

(55:34):
rock and roll. Who's Next didthat for me? And the idea of
rock having some sort of political consciousness, which was the earlier Dylan folk had
sort of brought a lot of thatup, But for me, it was
that sort of won't get fooled again, And I didn't know we would get
fooled again millions of times. ButI still, even though it's probably it
was it did it become CSI themeThree or four times. I did the

(55:57):
CBS upfront with the Who. Iwas there. We were there like they're
doing, like they're we're all doingthe most important songs of our career CSI
songs. But it was their greatesthits pretty much. Oh, it was
phenomenal. It was a dream.I couldn't believe it. Carnegie Hall in
front of advertisers, The Who comesout in place and David and I were
the only people like going out ofour mind. One of the greatest quotes

(56:22):
ever by a guy you can't quotemuch anymore. Let's Movevez looked at the
five of us who knew The Whowere coming out the next day and said,
no one knows about this. Ifanyone finds out about this, you're
all fired. And I raised myhand and said, I don't work for
you, Goes. I'll hire you. But let's hear I still get moved
by, won't get fooled. Wedon't get food again alone, we will

(57:05):
live. I don't. I haveto admit that I don't like him as
much as other groups because I like, uh, the Just, but the
songs that are the top songs Ido love, But I just I never
got into them as much. Watchedthat guy, more Beatles guy, and
then the Stones, I would Iwould say that I'm not even that much

(57:30):
of a Stones guy, even thoughI know they're fantastic. Watch this documentary
called The Kids Are all Right TheWho and You'll be You'll appreciate them more.
That's by a neighbor of mine,Jeff Stein. And there's actually another
documentary about The Who, which takesthem like, there's like an hour profile
of each member of the four guys, and they're fascinating. I will say
I never quote myself as I'm noteven even not even I am that's self

(57:52):
indulgent. But once, uh,there's the sixties documentary, the CNN Playtime
doc and I once had Keifer Sulancame up to me. He goes every
player in the WHO thought he wasthe leader of the Who or I forget
whatever quote, but keifers Otherland quotedme to me. I was like,
ah, I never felt so cool. I'm going to cut that out of

(58:14):
the show, all right, Soand then I am going to leave my
last one because you have one moreI do. Ah. I think I
love this as much as any albumthat I've mentioned, ah, and definitely
one of the best albums ever madeby anybody. It's good Bye Yellow Brick

(58:34):
Road. Yes, good well,you love it. I felt freed ofout
knowing you would get to ye again, John, very importantly important to you.
Andy Tumblebee connection, I love thatis the best to me. I
love it. I love it thathe him in the seventies, just phenomenal,
just phenomenal. I think as popularas he is he's actually undervalue.

(59:00):
The interesting about tumblewe connection, whichAndy Andy brings up, is there's an
example of the band that we haven'tmentioned. We love I think you love
probably too the band, But tumbleeConnection was like Elton John taking his love
and Bernie's Tappin's love of the bandand making their British version of an album

(59:20):
of Americana. I think the arguablyis like my favorite Americana record and it's
two British guys. Sometimes it's thatoutside lens right, that focus on the
thing and gets it, and that'swhy Canadians are so funny exactly. There's
many reasons for that. What songdo you want to hear from Goodbye Yell
Broock word? Because there's I havea few. There's so many great ones.

(59:42):
Uh. The first one jump intomy head is Saturday Nights all right
for fight that Rock, which hecloses every show. Great. So now

(01:00:07):
we come to our last uh inthis we can probably do this another time.
We should all get together and dothis once here because mine would always
change. But you had mentioned WalterBecker earlier in the context of Ricky Lee
Jones. I you know, wehad Michael McDonald on the podcast recently we're
talking about Steely Dan. I amcompletely aware of, like being a dad

(01:00:30):
rock kind of guy. I haveone son who loves Steely Dan, one
who can't stand Steely Dan. Theone who loves Steely Dan took me to
see Croftferk at Disney Hall this weekend. Something is like when you have kids
who were taking you to see aband you wanted to see in the seventies
that you thought you'll never do.Wow, it's actually really cool. But
I have to go with Asia becauseI have constant debates with my son,

(01:00:52):
and I could go with the firstrecord, which I think has magical stuff
in it, but I do thinkI love having the argument with my younger
son about uh, he loves Gauchomore than Asia and I don't get it.
So I will go with Asia,and I will play a little bit
of a song called Black Cow,which which was like when I heard it,

(01:01:13):
I was like, this is awhole Like with Joni Mitchell. It
was like introducing me to a wholeworld of music and rhythms and the bassline
unbelievable stuff you never you never heardsuch refined sound, like if you you
worked in a stereo store. Right, Yeah, So wasn't that the album
that you demoed with. We usedDonald Donald Fagan's I G E Y.

(01:01:37):
We used that. And the badpart about it is that the speakers were
we were selling. I didn't sellthese speakers. They were selling house brand
speakers that sounded more impressive when youfirst heard them, yea. And so
it was wrong. It was wrongto use Donald Fagan. It was wrong
to kim donald Fagan's because he madeeverything sound phenomenal. So these people were

(01:01:59):
buying these it's like big speakers thatwere horrible because they were the house brand
and I would try to get theminto amis or were They're like realistic radio
check. They were called SRL SRLfives. I will say that when we
talk about the seventies with other ones, the artist I'm not including, but
I really want to uh is andthis is the only greatest hits I was

(01:02:23):
going to put in. Yeah,I believe the best of Earth Wind and
Fire and Asia or the exact momentin my youth where I realized excellence like
whatever my parents talked about with classicalmusic or whatever popular music. I am
pretty convinced in terms of the mostaccomplished Era was the first record I picked

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Stevie Wonder, Song of the Keyof Life, Steely Dan and Earth Wind
and Fire. I think that wasjust I was lucky to grow up at
a time when music was so there'sa better song in the world than September.
That's what like I didn'tcluded. Butthat's and that's only on you know,
that's not from an album. That'sthe that's the single from the greatest

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Hits record. That's why I includedWill So let's let's let's let's hear black
Cow and sat and September because theydeserve it. Split it. That is
all break your big black Cow.There you go looking so hot ray and

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they tell you so do you rememberplant? It's change in chasing And also

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Peter Marshall did a great version ofI'm saying it top the way is No,
that's not the song. What wasthe song? You just said?
Black Cow and September he does Septemberbodydy Yuah. Yeah. He was a
singer, he's he was a famousWell you're you're making jokes. No,
no, no, Peter Marshall,he had a summer replacement show that was

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all his music start going on record. No, No, No, no
part was a joke because but she'sa body yuy yuy yay. Peter Marshall
sang like it was it. PeterDavidson, No, No, I'm right
about some things. The mind's goingon with Peter Marshall, the original host

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of Hollywood Squares. Yes, singerbody yeah, summer yeah, and I
remember of September. Well, that'swhat's funny, is like I think we're
all and William or all of us, We're all like William just wrote a
novel, our producer. What canyou say the name of the book,

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Fame by Misadventure. It's based onPhil's career. Uh, it's based on
Andy Screen. No, it's basedon my career. But we're all literate,
and yet I will say the geniusof popular music is that, like
body Ya was something that I thinka great late, great female songwriter,
lyricist Ali Willis contributed to that.He wrote that I speak about it,

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yes, and it's crazy that theyneeded to fill the space and it was
It's like sometimes body ya is perfectand what does it means? It means
everything because you can just project whateveryou mean, whatever you need it to
mean. It's it's there. PeterMarshall also did oh on the tip,
top on the tip, on thetip, top of the world. Yeah,

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that's what we're going to do nexttime, the top ten records of
Mars on the top of the worldlooking down on creation. Oh, and
he ends it with that big finish. Or I may have exaggerated that,
Andy, did you have a favoritealbum? I have to say that we've
gone over somebody that could be Andas I'm thinking about it, I could

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never like. I was huge intoCass Stevens, so I loved all of
Tifa Telemann and catch Ball of fourand the other one my soundtrack to Harold
and woud it was Stevens. Isn'tit the greatest? Watching again to be
me? Yeah? I had theexperience of I helped produce and interview him
for his comeback Behind the Music documentarything when he returned to music and he

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had not engaged in popular music atthat point. And one of the greatest
jobs I ever had was they askedme to pick what songs we should use
of his and then I had togo sit in a room with him this
is like and it was super tense, and I said, here, I'd
like to use like a little bitof father and Son or whatever, and
he goes, what part? Isaid, the first verse and then the

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chorus, and he would sing tome. He just sat in a room
singing. The party goes do youmean this part? And he would and
then you go okay. But itwas amazing. I think I was the
first person he had sung some ofhis greatest hits to in like twenty five
years. Yep. Wow, uh, Andy, I can't believe for the
second time I have the pleasure ofsaying to you, get up. Well,

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I appreciate that. Well, thankyou, Andy. I hope you
enjoyed. This was great. Thiswas unbelievable fun. And there was even
the one that I wasn't the mainperson was good. All this and the
sandwich aa is this said? Here'sthe way I think was I have ocd
oh, here's my thing. Yougotta take that home? But is it
gonna be poisoned because it's been outNo, No, it would have to

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