November 23, 2025 • 29 mins
Monday night, The "Everybody Loves Raymond: 30th Anniversary Reunion" airs on CBS, and will then stream on Paramount+. To celebrate this big event, we're revisiting some highlights from one of the first "Naked Lunch" episodes from back 2022 which also reunited Phil -- the creator of "Everybody Loves Raymond" -- with his buddies Ray and Brad. Listen now and watch the special Monday! To learn more about building community through food and "Somebody Feed the People," visit the Philanthropy page at philrosenthalworld.com.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
In case you don't know, we're celebrating our thirtieth anniversary
reunion of Everybody Loves Raymond with a special on CBS
Monday Night, the twenty fourth of November. So to help
celebrate our friends Ray Romano and Brad Garrett from an
(00:24):
early conversation we had here on Naked Lunch that we
thought was pretty funny. So here it is, and we'll
see you all Monday night for the big show on CBS,
which will then stream up Paramount Plus.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
But here's Ray and Brad joining David in me.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Let's build the beans to the fat, food for thought,
jokes on tap, talking with on mouthsfull, having fun, these cake,
humble pie, serving upslass lovely, the dressing all the side.
It's naked Lunch.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Clothing option.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
He was just in Vegas and my friends came interesting
to my show and I came to your show. Yes,
they didn't go to my show, and they went to
his show. They've seen you.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Your new location at the MGM. I do.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
We did the Grammys there because of COVID doing this.
I walked past you every day on the way to work.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Come by. David starts at the picture like you stopped
at the food court across the way.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It was, no, it's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Then well, I was in the basement downstairs. Downstairs for
ten years. Was rough. It was rough, but it was
perfect for me. But now I'm upstairs and they're like, oh,
we should have left them down sir.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
How's it going. How's the club doing?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
It's doing well. It's doing well. Man.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
There's just one show a night, right.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
One a night, because if you do too some time,
it's you know, you'll have two half full shows. And
if you want to do one full good one and
the comics appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
You know, he hosts it, right who? I feel bad
for that. That has to the poor guy who has
to follow you after you go up from the like
twenty minutes up front, I where's a cop?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Oh, I'm sorry, I've never had that. We have a
lot of fun. I keep wanting, ready to go buy,
but the jet can't land on the building.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
First of all, I offered to come this week. My
friends were going there. Yeah, I saw who took the
brand that said listen, my friends are going. I had
my show at the Mirage with Spade. I said, I'll come.
I'll do ten minutes in the beginning Goo, and he
told me not.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
To come right because it's a lot, and then he
has a show that night, and then it's back and
forth to get up the strip. Now it's forty minutes. Seriously,
it's forty vegas.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I have It's heaven and Hell it is.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
It is heaven right now.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Is the picture that stays.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I would die though, though, because you know where.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Tattooed on each of my butt cheeks.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Heaven and hell, Heaven in Hell. I'll meet you in
the middle.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Hello, have you been besides your heart attacking?
Speaker 7 (03:21):
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Things have been great, Things have been great. You're working
on a new show, working on a new show on
Apple Plus. And Patricia, what's the name of called High
Desert Fun Fun.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
F out very dark out now.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I think July comes out Roach right, think Jay Roach directing?
Speaker 5 (03:41):
And what's those still?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Ben still is producing? It's really great, huh. It's a
dark comedy and she's It deals with a lot of
a lot of things. Yeah, grief, addiction, all the stuff
that you know, I'm well versed in pretty much. But
you're but the.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Way both of our both of our films are Tribeca.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
What do you mean you have one to have a
small part in a lovely film.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yes, I'm going, I'm going. You're going, Yes, of course?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Watch how real smooth is there? By the way, my
producers they said they loved her. Yeah, yea?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Who else is that?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Cooper ray wrote? Directed stars at it? Cody Johnson, Right,
isn't it? Leslie Mann plays my wife? I play uh Cooper,
who's the lead? This kid is pretty amazing?
Speaker 5 (04:34):
He wrote, really, yeah, all right, you go to bed.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I want to go.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Would love love I'd love to have you there. Great,
I'll just sit in front of you, tell you everything
that's happening. I'm driving the car now.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I need that.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
It's eight yeah, thank you, of course. And you're opening
night of Rebecca. Amazing?
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah? Don't show me the food?
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Right?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
How long is the show? Mark?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Have you seen? Have you seen Ray's movie?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
I think I'm the only one who won't show it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
He's afraid you'll know.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
I wanted it to be ready to show you.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Well, it's got to be ready. It's it's it's well now, yeah,
I bet it is. I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
Tell people, tell people on movie Raymond, let's plug the movie.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Somewhere in Queens, I'll play.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
I wrote it. It's called Somewhere in Queens.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Not only did you write it, you directed.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I've directed you staring with Laury Metcalf with Oh I
love Laury Metcalf. Sebastians in it are specially Mensicago. Our
friend John Man Filative.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
John said it.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
He made the cut play on Raymond for those of
you my dad, But yeah, whatever, me and me and
Mark Stegmann wrote it. Took for the last seven years.
We've been trying to finish this thing.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Pretty exciting man and the king of downplaying.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, this is a very big deal.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
It's been okay movie. You know, it's a.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Really selling family Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, A director writer
for Deesel.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
It's great.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I'm telling people, I've heard wonderful, wonderful things.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
You got on the player. So why over the expectations
are low.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
That's how we That's how we had everything. Yes, people
expected nothing. Remember we had Moesia right on our ass.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
That was true.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
The first year of Raymond. We were on Fridays and
we were in a hundredth place and Mosia was like
one hundred and second and that was my life.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Know that this year it's twenty five years since we
went on. Do you feel old now hearing this?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Wow, I'm older than Peter Boyle was when he started
playing my father. I'm older than him right now.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And I weigh more than Doris on the was on
the pilot, was on the pilot. Oh my god, she
was a goodiequ what a kisser.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
I think my favorite thing, my favorite thing about the show,
besides that it was a nice show, was laughing so
hard at all the what do you call them outtakes?
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (07:34):
Is that what the kids call them? Second takes and
stuff and just stuff that. I mean, we were doing
it for the audience, but also just for ourselves. I
don't think I've ever laughed harder, not just in the
writer's room but on stage in my life. We laughed
every single day. Probably the best thing in the world,
no question.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I just loved it so much.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
When you're in it, everything's going so fast and quick. Yes,
that bubble and you're you're never able to step back.
And really, I mean, at least for me, I did
realize after a very short time, like, Wow, this is
really special. I mean, this is something that just doesn't happen,
you know, and you realize that, but you're going so
fast and you're trying to stay up on it and
keep the quality and do what you could do while
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you're developing a character that's supposedly you know this is
this is your family, you're supposed to know, and you
don't know anything until it becomes part of the process.
Do you know what I'm saying. It's like I remember
when I'm familiar.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I remember having I was staying at this place called
the Hillcrest Apartments with Peter right. Yes, you know, my
family was in New York. Peter's family was in New
York and we coincidentally got an appoint or maybe he
asked me where you're staying. I don't know, but he
had an apartment of this place complex and I had
an apartment, and you know, we would go together and whatever,
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and then it wasn't It was about the fifth or
sixth episode when you know, the chemistry and whatever. And
I can remember being at that Hillcrest Hartman and talking
to him as we're going, you know, he's going to
his bumb in my mind, and I remember just thinking,
I feel like there's something, you know, special happening here
(09:10):
with the show, with the with the with the cast,
with the makeup, with the stories we're doing, you know.
But but in the beginning, who the hell knew? No,
we were scared because the audience was they didn't know
who we were. The audience that came the live audience,
so no one. They kind of wire not really laughing
where we thought the laughs were because nobody knew the characters.
We just had to trust that what we were writing
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was funny.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
There was that moment that I always go back to.
It was the third episode Patty heat and turned the
role of ice cream down on Ray's laugh.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
It was it was a third standard DV third episode.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
So the audience that's coming in, they don't know the
show yet, hasn't been on TV yet, so we're just
getting whoever.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
We can get.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
And I swear to God, the audience was made up
of nursing homes and convicts, and sometimes the convicts would say, hey,
let's kill that old lady Dais.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
But we did this show.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
This particular episode early on where Ray was a little
too smug about getting a higher IQ test than Deborah,
and he just makes a little one joke too many
about how smart he is, and she is eating a
bowl of ice cream and she just turns it over
on his lap. Now that's somewhat funny, but the audience
(10:30):
laughed at them just holding still, which is one of
the great things about four camera sitcoms. You hold like
a play hold. And I remember turning to one of
the writers and saying, we're all going to be millionaires.
(10:51):
The laugh lasted over thirty seconds. Wow, for a friggin
sitcom that nobody's seen. And it's not because of anything
other than all of it coming together, right, the writing,
the casting, the acting, the face. We had the best faces,
including and especially yours. You could break up anyone on
(11:15):
the set at any time, and I think his favorite thing,
if I can speak for you, is getting you to laugh.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
That was one of them. If he made you laugh,
then everyone was going to lose it.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
But just to show you what has to happen for
them for all the things to line up is when
we wrote it. The brother character was based on my brother, right, so,
and he was a cop who was shorter than me
and bigger.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
That's why he has resentment because your older brother being
shorter than you is terrible, right.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
And also I'm getting attention because we made my character
the writer when they told me, because I was in
New York when some of the casting was going on,
so I wasn't reading with everybody. I don't think I
read with any brother characters. I read with the wife,
I read with the mother.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I think I told you that we found yeah, someone different.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Yes, And they said and all I knew when they said,
Breg Garrett, all I knew was the only thing I
had seen of you was you won Star Search. He
was the grand champion of Star Search. And I knew,
you know, I was a comedian, so I knew. I
watched all the Stars arches.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And I went that guy. No, but I didn't know anything.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah, they're still doing that.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Season seven, but every time brand came on the set.
But listen, let's be honest.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
We didn't write it that way.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
And then I remember, I think Stu Smiley might have said,
he brought this different thing to it, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, funny, okay, all right, whatever, But like we.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Wrote, when he leaves the house, it's my birthday, and
he turns and he goes, Happy birthday, Raymond. That's how
we heard it in our heads, right, Happy Birthday Raymond.
And then I watched him do it. You know, he
just turned, he goes everybody whatever it was, the twisty
put on it, and it was hysterical. We didn't think
that was going to be a big laugh.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Just shows you got to have help bend.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Yes, it's way better than anything that we could have imagined, right,
which always the number one thing was keep it real?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Could this happen? Could this happen in real life? Could
it happen in real life?
Speaker 7 (13:22):
Not that it's not exaggerated a little bit, but could
it actually happen in real life? And we've all been
on shows where they don't care about that rule, but
we tried to. But this was so much better than
real life. Ninety percent of our shows came from something
that happened to us at home. After a while, the
characters take on their own life and then you can
start writing specifically, like you going for an FBI job,
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that would be natural for that to happen for that character.
At this point in the show, I just remember laughing
so hard every day.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
And then Peter's magic. Yeah, let's be honest. When Peter
came in to read, yeah, first of all, he wasn't
supposed to read right, and he had a bad day
that day. Right when he came into reading.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
He couldn't find this the he couldn't find the lot
where we were on the lot, and he couldn't It
was really hot, yes, and they were treating him like
they didn't know who he was, which they didn't. And
by the time he found us, he was angry.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Flustered, Yeah, flustered, it's a nice word. But he offered
to read, and he didn't have to read, and he read.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
And he read, and did you want him to read?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You wanted to be honest. He scared the hell out
of me, and I just said, you got the part,
but please don't hurt me.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
But that's what we took a leap of faith. We said,
let's put the best actor in the in the role,
and and and he has his own process when you know,
at the table reads, he has his own process where
he's not really there yet, and we just trusted that
the writing was good. And then on show night he
was a genius.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
But it also helps to have a couple of really
great comedians in lead role who can come up with
alternate takes. The one that's jumping to my mind is
you wore a I'm going to say a dark yellow
suit ray had loaded in the chamber. Eight different takes.
(15:16):
Do you remember any of them? So you say you
know where I had to go for this suit? You?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yeah, you said, your character said, you know Raymond. A
couple of them were like Goulden's or something big, tall
and crotch. Wherever it was, it must have been dark.
(15:46):
Now listen, I want to I can take some of
the credit. But we would have a process before show showed.
On show day, when there was about an hour for
dinner or something. I wouldn't go to the dinner, and
usually two writers or three writers would come in my
dressing room and we would try to come up with
second I would circle the spot where this can be
(16:07):
a spot where we can do a lot of different
second takes.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Because it won't affect the story. It's just a punch line.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
And we would come up with about four or five
of them, and who's we everybody was just a couple
of times in Tucker Cawley would come.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
But then sometimes a line wouldn't work that we thought
was going to work, that we didn't prepare.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
So now we huddle. Listen. Nicer than a lot.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Of shows that I worked on where they would rewrite
the whole friggin scene and that in that time between
take one and take two, and we just had to say, hey,
you think.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
We could beat that line?
Speaker 7 (16:40):
But our dads were in the show, right, So we
paired up Ray's dad and my dad because we felt
like they.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Deserved each other. And so they were lodge buddies and
there was a sauna scene.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Yep, it wasn't pretty right, but the bid is Ray
is in the sauna at the lodge. Ray is acting
like the old guys. So if they're complaining about their
aches and pains, Ray starts complaining about his aches and
paints and so sure enough he's going to turn into
an old guy like them because he hangs out with them.
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So I don't remember what the original last line was.
Do you remember this at all? I think the last
line just didn't you know? It was okay, we could
do better. So we huddle about that last line, and
we're huddling and my father suddenly taps me on the shoulder.
He comes out of the set to where we're working
and taps me on the shoulder.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
He goes, I think I should have the last line,
I said, Dad, I'm working. Go back over there and
cover your chest. It's embarrassing.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
And he goes, all right, I'm just saying, all right,
go back over there. And we give the last line
to Peter Boyle because he's actually a regular on the show,
and it goes not even as good as the first
line that we had. Right, So we huddle again, and
as we're talking, just out of the corner of my eye,
I see my father.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And he looks at me as if to say, well,
I'm still here. And I get so angry.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
Mind your own business, do what you're lucky, you're even
do you know? This is the attitude, and Aaron, sure,
I'll never foret it comes over and he goes, I
think I have a line, but I think it's for
your dad. I'm like, I don't want to give it
to him because I would mean that He's right, Yeah,
I can't have that.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And he tells me the line. I go, God, damn it, Dad,
come over here.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
He says, yes, say this all right, and he goes
in and here's the line.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
You say.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
You know everybody's complaining about their little eggs and pains.
You know, I had to get up last night three
times to pee and my.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Dad goes, at least you got up and it killed
Wait a minute, so he was right.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Your father came over and said, I think I should
have the last night without having a last line.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
No, he just thinks he should. He knows that he
can deliver, not like you guys.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I thought maybe he had a line and he goes,
how about this line? But no, he just said write
me a line.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Yes, because now he's a pro after being on the
show three times.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
That's one of the funniest, the biggest times I laugh
at some of the episodes I see is when you're
following my father are throwing a bachelor party for Robert.
I love it and I'm telling them to you know,
that's at the Elks or whatever it is, and what
is it. It's supposed to say happy birthday Robert in
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a big banner, right, and it says, what does.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
It say, Woody? He says happy birthday, Woody. And this
is not gonna seem funny. It's the dead pan yes, yes,
of both of them. Because I'm like panicking.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I'm like, what do you It's supposed to say happy
birthday Robert, and just my father just dead pan goes,
I think on the phone, you said Woodie, and then
your fault I know, but it's not. It's Robert. You
got to take it down. I go, what else can
you do? And your fault says, well, we've got a
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bunch of balloons, but we can't blow them up.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
The crazy thing about people who love the show now
is they don't realize how much easier and happier your
set was in every other set. But I know this
because I started out. I discovered your show writing for
Rolling Stone and said.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
This is how we met. He wrote the first nice
review of the show.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I reviewed every show, probably Moesha, and said, everything sucks except.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
The last one.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
I saved it for last, was I think, I said,
my mother told me to save the best for last.
This is the best show on TV. And then I
came over and ended up writing a book called The Showrunners,
where I follow people through a season of TV. And
the crazy thing is I was going right from this
that year the set of Friends, where the writers were
there til three in the morning, yes, and Phil was
sleep and had woken up for the next day because
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he had sent everyone home for dinner.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
And set that's where the stories were coming from and
that's that you can imagine about real life unless you
have one.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Yeah. Well, to Phil's credit, also when this season would end,
so we have one two months maybe where we're h
and we would break ten ten stories.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah we're not going home.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Yeah, we have ten outlines and each writer would get
an outlined during the hiatus to put a script. So
when we came in in August, right, we had.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
We had ten drafts, ten scripts done. And that it
was hard the first year because it's all you can
do to just stay alive the first year, right, the
boulder of the schedules coming down in your head and
all the problems and figuring out what the show is
in the first season.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So we bit the bullet and stayed after we were.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Exhausted and just stayed that extra couple of weeks to
break those stories. And then everyone just would then write
the draft over their hiatus, which is not a big deal,
especially if you have the story right, yeah, and you
come in and now you're ahead, and now you can
just you're just refining, you're not write.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
I don't think after the first half of season one
did we do big rewrites at all.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
On the script.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
We also didn't have many B stories or C stories.
You know, where a lot of shows on Friends they
have an a story of stories. We've got to serve everybody.
We had a main story, and yes, very seldom did
we have a bee story.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I thought if it was worth telling, it was worth
telling for twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It's not right like it just too well.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
We all come from theater, so we thought that this is,
you know, our little play. My favorite shows are the
ones that take place all in one set. You know,
you know the Honeymooners.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
You bet.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Two things about brand before we go, and maybe one
about rain. But uh, we are at was it the upfront?
A party for the upfront? We're just celebrating a little bit.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
There's a bar.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
There's a bar.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
I don't know you at all other than we just
cast you.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You say, come here, come here, kid, come here. What
do you like to drink?
Speaker 7 (23:29):
I say, oh, I like, I'll have a scotch if
you're having a scotch. And he goes to the bartender,
what's your best scotch? And the guy points to the
top shelf and he goes, make it a double for
my friend. And that generosity always like that's a that's
a that's a giant show business gesture. That went a
long way. Come on, man, that was just so sweet.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Changed and YouTube changed my life.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
But you know, we did on the road together. We traveled.
He's always flipping the one hundred twenties and everything.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I had, I had it.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
It went just as fash boy Jackie. But the other
thing was, during the first week of the show, we're
just we don't even know what we have and we're
just figuring it out. And Brad is doing the part
a little more like this, So what you're seeing today
meaning a little more edge, a little more you know,
a little more, a little a little rough, let's say, right,
(24:34):
And I take him aside and I say, this is hilarious.
But I think what we're thinking is that Robert might
be more put upon, he might be more of a
sad sack.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
More more accepting of his lot in life.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
And it's like and he goes like your And I thought,
oh my god, that's genius. That's exactly the image. How
did you think of that? And you said, I am your?
I said, what he goes, I'm doing the voice of
r in the cartoon.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And I said, keep doing that. So Robert is a
little bit based on the best you gave me, No,
but you I didn't have to give it because you
were already there. You already know the guy. So that
that was fantastic.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
And what's the one about me?
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Raymond and I For those of you who don't know,
we became from just a meeting at Arts Deli and
working through a very you know, I can't say it
was easy. The birth of a show was hard, and
we're just trying to We're both you know, much younger
(25:52):
than you are today and just figuring it out. His
first leading role in Anything right, My first role in.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Anything Yeah, I got fired from the previous role.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
You know, it's been twenty five years since then, and
now we still be vacation together with the families.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
The kids grew up together. Brad, You're welcome.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You know, got to be invited, well you want You're
not going to get invited, but welcome.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
If somehow don't I invite you to movie night, like
every single week.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Every everything coming, I never go.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Why are you waiting for your movie? I'm putting you
on the spot to say I love you, I want
to see more of.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
You, Thank you, and I'm a hermit.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
I know, but I want to maybe at this time
of life, when you realize how really got it this time,
how little you have left, maybe make an effort you
got it.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I will good and I love you and I'm indebted
to both of you beyond well.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Like I said, and the way.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
The set was run, it's I've never I'll never see
anything like it. I'll never see that that kind of writing,
which I've said forever, I've never seen it.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
I doesn't feel like another life, another.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
I mean, yeah, there's nothing like it. It's at your gift,
but it's not it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
It'll never pass this way again.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
I mean, it's that those times we I think we
got in and out at the peak of the business.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Actually as a golfer, you know, playing Augusta. Augusta is
the mecca, you know, And the day after the Masters,
CBS would get one group and they would take me
and Kevin James and we would play Monday the day
after the Masters, five years in a row, and when
our shows were on the air, and now our shows
(27:45):
aren't on the air. And about three or four years later,
I mean I'm in Georgia, I'm in Atlanta, and I'm like,
maybe I can get to Augusta. I called everybody. I
called up lest Moons when he was then he was
the President's either. I called Phil Michelson, I called Jim
n Nobody could get me off for Augusta.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
No, no, those people.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
The moment you're done, you're done. I mean there's a lesson, right.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
But it's just fun. It was a fun little run
of those nine years.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
No, I can't complain. I mean, it's awesome, but when
it's done, it's done.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
You can't lose. You can't lose the gratefulness of that,
that opportunity which so many people forget. You can't forget.
No gift of its total gifts so rare, and it's
more rare than ever.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
But I'm so proud of both of you and what
you've done since then, all the great stuff you've done
since then.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Show now you proved it wasn't a luke.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Yes, and we must go on the road with you.
When when when Netflix picks us up, Yes, and they
take care of their debtors.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
What we'll do when you guys edit this the right
way so Netflix will take us. Yes, you know what,
there's editing?
Speaker 7 (28:59):
Yeah, wow, Yeah, this will be a three minute promo.
Speaker 9 (29:05):
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Theme song and music by Brad Paisley, Produced by Will
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Speaker 1 (29:26):
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Speaker 9 (29:30):
You know, thanks for listening to Naked Lunch, a Lucky
Bastard's production.
Hi everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
In case you don't know, we're celebrating our thirtieth anniversary
reunion of Everybody Loves Raymond with a special on CBS
Monday Night, the twenty fourth of November. So to help
celebrate our friends Ray Romano and Brad Garrett from an
(00:24):
early conversation we had here on Naked Lunch that we
thought was pretty funny. So here it is, and we'll
see you all Monday night for the big show on CBS,
which will then stream up Paramount Plus.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
But here's Ray and Brad joining David in me.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Let's build the beans to the fat, food for thought,
jokes on tap, talking with on mouthsfull, having fun, these cake,
humble pie, serving upslass lovely, the dressing all the side.
It's naked Lunch.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Clothing option.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
He was just in Vegas and my friends came interesting
to my show and I came to your show. Yes,
they didn't go to my show, and they went to
his show. They've seen you.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Your new location at the MGM. I do.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
We did the Grammys there because of COVID doing this.
I walked past you every day on the way to work.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Come by. David starts at the picture like you stopped
at the food court across the way.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It was, no, it's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Then well, I was in the basement downstairs. Downstairs for
ten years. Was rough. It was rough, but it was
perfect for me. But now I'm upstairs and they're like, oh,
we should have left them down sir.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
How's it going. How's the club doing?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
It's doing well. It's doing well. Man.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
There's just one show a night, right.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
One a night, because if you do too some time,
it's you know, you'll have two half full shows. And
if you want to do one full good one and
the comics appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
You know, he hosts it, right who? I feel bad
for that. That has to the poor guy who has
to follow you after you go up from the like
twenty minutes up front, I where's a cop?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Oh, I'm sorry, I've never had that. We have a
lot of fun. I keep wanting, ready to go buy,
but the jet can't land on the building.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
First of all, I offered to come this week. My
friends were going there. Yeah, I saw who took the
brand that said listen, my friends are going. I had
my show at the Mirage with Spade. I said, I'll come.
I'll do ten minutes in the beginning Goo, and he
told me not.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
To come right because it's a lot, and then he
has a show that night, and then it's back and
forth to get up the strip. Now it's forty minutes. Seriously,
it's forty vegas.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I have It's heaven and Hell it is.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
It is heaven right now.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Is the picture that stays.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I would die though, though, because you know where.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Tattooed on each of my butt cheeks.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Heaven and hell, Heaven in Hell. I'll meet you in
the middle.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Hello, have you been besides your heart attacking?
Speaker 7 (03:21):
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Things have been great, Things have been great. You're working
on a new show, working on a new show on
Apple Plus. And Patricia, what's the name of called High
Desert Fun Fun.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
F out very dark out now.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I think July comes out Roach right, think Jay Roach directing?
Speaker 5 (03:41):
And what's those still?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Ben still is producing? It's really great, huh. It's a
dark comedy and she's It deals with a lot of
a lot of things. Yeah, grief, addiction, all the stuff
that you know, I'm well versed in pretty much. But
you're but the.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Way both of our both of our films are Tribeca.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
What do you mean you have one to have a
small part in a lovely film.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yes, I'm going, I'm going. You're going, Yes, of course?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Watch how real smooth is there? By the way, my
producers they said they loved her. Yeah, yea?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Who else is that?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Cooper ray wrote? Directed stars at it? Cody Johnson, Right,
isn't it? Leslie Mann plays my wife? I play uh Cooper,
who's the lead? This kid is pretty amazing?
Speaker 5 (04:34):
He wrote, really, yeah, all right, you go to bed.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I want to go.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Would love love I'd love to have you there. Great,
I'll just sit in front of you, tell you everything
that's happening. I'm driving the car now.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I need that.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
It's eight yeah, thank you, of course. And you're opening
night of Rebecca. Amazing?
Speaker 5 (05:00):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah? Don't show me the food?
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Right?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
How long is the show? Mark?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Have you seen? Have you seen Ray's movie?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
I think I'm the only one who won't show it.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
He's afraid you'll know.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
I wanted it to be ready to show you.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Well, it's got to be ready. It's it's it's well now, yeah,
I bet it is. I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
Tell people, tell people on movie Raymond, let's plug the movie.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Somewhere in Queens, I'll play.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
I wrote it. It's called Somewhere in Queens.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Not only did you write it, you directed.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I've directed you staring with Laury Metcalf with Oh I
love Laury Metcalf. Sebastians in it are specially Mensicago. Our
friend John Man Filative.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
John said it.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
He made the cut play on Raymond for those of
you my dad, But yeah, whatever, me and me and
Mark Stegmann wrote it. Took for the last seven years.
We've been trying to finish this thing.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Pretty exciting man and the king of downplaying.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, this is a very big deal.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
It's been okay movie. You know, it's a.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Really selling family Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, A director writer
for Deesel.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
It's great.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I'm telling people, I've heard wonderful, wonderful things.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
You got on the player. So why over the expectations
are low.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
That's how we That's how we had everything. Yes, people
expected nothing. Remember we had Moesia right on our ass.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
That was true.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
The first year of Raymond. We were on Fridays and
we were in a hundredth place and Mosia was like
one hundred and second and that was my life.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
Know that this year it's twenty five years since we
went on. Do you feel old now hearing this?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Wow, I'm older than Peter Boyle was when he started
playing my father. I'm older than him right now.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
And I weigh more than Doris on the was on
the pilot, was on the pilot. Oh my god, she
was a goodiequ what a kisser.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
I think my favorite thing, my favorite thing about the show,
besides that it was a nice show, was laughing so
hard at all the what do you call them outtakes?
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (07:34):
Is that what the kids call them? Second takes and
stuff and just stuff that. I mean, we were doing
it for the audience, but also just for ourselves. I
don't think I've ever laughed harder, not just in the
writer's room but on stage in my life. We laughed
every single day. Probably the best thing in the world,
no question.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I just loved it so much.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
When you're in it, everything's going so fast and quick. Yes,
that bubble and you're you're never able to step back.
And really, I mean, at least for me, I did
realize after a very short time, like, Wow, this is
really special. I mean, this is something that just doesn't happen,
you know, and you realize that, but you're going so
fast and you're trying to stay up on it and
keep the quality and do what you could do while
(08:16):
you're developing a character that's supposedly you know this is
this is your family, you're supposed to know, and you
don't know anything until it becomes part of the process.
Do you know what I'm saying. It's like I remember
when I'm familiar.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
I remember having I was staying at this place called
the Hillcrest Apartments with Peter right. Yes, you know, my
family was in New York. Peter's family was in New
York and we coincidentally got an appoint or maybe he
asked me where you're staying. I don't know, but he
had an apartment of this place complex and I had
an apartment, and you know, we would go together and whatever,
(08:50):
and then it wasn't It was about the fifth or
sixth episode when you know, the chemistry and whatever. And
I can remember being at that Hillcrest Hartman and talking
to him as we're going, you know, he's going to
his bumb in my mind, and I remember just thinking,
I feel like there's something, you know, special happening here
(09:10):
with the show, with the with the with the cast,
with the makeup, with the stories we're doing, you know.
But but in the beginning, who the hell knew? No,
we were scared because the audience was they didn't know
who we were. The audience that came the live audience,
so no one. They kind of wire not really laughing
where we thought the laughs were because nobody knew the characters.
We just had to trust that what we were writing
(09:33):
was funny.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
There was that moment that I always go back to.
It was the third episode Patty heat and turned the
role of ice cream down on Ray's laugh.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
It was it was a third standard DV third episode.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
So the audience that's coming in, they don't know the
show yet, hasn't been on TV yet, so we're just
getting whoever.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
We can get.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
And I swear to God, the audience was made up
of nursing homes and convicts, and sometimes the convicts would say, hey,
let's kill that old lady Dais.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
But we did this show.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
This particular episode early on where Ray was a little
too smug about getting a higher IQ test than Deborah,
and he just makes a little one joke too many
about how smart he is, and she is eating a
bowl of ice cream and she just turns it over
on his lap. Now that's somewhat funny, but the audience
(10:30):
laughed at them just holding still, which is one of
the great things about four camera sitcoms. You hold like
a play hold. And I remember turning to one of
the writers and saying, we're all going to be millionaires.
(10:51):
The laugh lasted over thirty seconds. Wow, for a friggin
sitcom that nobody's seen. And it's not because of anything
other than all of it coming together, right, the writing,
the casting, the acting, the face. We had the best faces,
including and especially yours. You could break up anyone on
(11:15):
the set at any time, and I think his favorite thing,
if I can speak for you, is getting you to laugh.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
That was one of them. If he made you laugh,
then everyone was going to lose it.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
But just to show you what has to happen for
them for all the things to line up is when
we wrote it. The brother character was based on my brother, right, so,
and he was a cop who was shorter than me
and bigger.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
That's why he has resentment because your older brother being
shorter than you is terrible, right.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
And also I'm getting attention because we made my character
the writer when they told me, because I was in
New York when some of the casting was going on,
so I wasn't reading with everybody. I don't think I
read with any brother characters. I read with the wife,
I read with the mother.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I think I told you that we found yeah, someone different.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Yes, And they said and all I knew when they said,
Breg Garrett, all I knew was the only thing I
had seen of you was you won Star Search. He
was the grand champion of Star Search. And I knew,
you know, I was a comedian, so I knew. I
watched all the Stars arches.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And I went that guy. No, but I didn't know anything.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah, they're still doing that.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Season seven, but every time brand came on the set.
But listen, let's be honest.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
We didn't write it that way.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
And then I remember, I think Stu Smiley might have said,
he brought this different thing to it, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, funny, okay, all right, whatever, But like we.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Wrote, when he leaves the house, it's my birthday, and
he turns and he goes, Happy birthday, Raymond. That's how
we heard it in our heads, right, Happy Birthday Raymond.
And then I watched him do it. You know, he
just turned, he goes everybody whatever it was, the twisty
put on it, and it was hysterical. We didn't think
that was going to be a big laugh.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Just shows you got to have help bend.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Yes, it's way better than anything that we could have imagined, right,
which always the number one thing was keep it real?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Could this happen? Could this happen in real life? Could
it happen in real life?
Speaker 7 (13:22):
Not that it's not exaggerated a little bit, but could
it actually happen in real life? And we've all been
on shows where they don't care about that rule, but
we tried to. But this was so much better than
real life. Ninety percent of our shows came from something
that happened to us at home. After a while, the
characters take on their own life and then you can
start writing specifically, like you going for an FBI job,
(13:44):
that would be natural for that to happen for that character.
At this point in the show, I just remember laughing
so hard every day.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
And then Peter's magic. Yeah, let's be honest. When Peter
came in to read, yeah, first of all, he wasn't
supposed to read right, and he had a bad day
that day. Right when he came into reading.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
He couldn't find this the he couldn't find the lot
where we were on the lot, and he couldn't It
was really hot, yes, and they were treating him like
they didn't know who he was, which they didn't. And
by the time he found us, he was angry.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Flustered, Yeah, flustered, it's a nice word. But he offered
to read, and he didn't have to read, and he read.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
And he read, and did you want him to read?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You wanted to be honest. He scared the hell out
of me, and I just said, you got the part,
but please don't hurt me.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
But that's what we took a leap of faith. We said,
let's put the best actor in the in the role,
and and and he has his own process when you know,
at the table reads, he has his own process where
he's not really there yet, and we just trusted that
the writing was good. And then on show night he
was a genius.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
But it also helps to have a couple of really
great comedians in lead role who can come up with
alternate takes. The one that's jumping to my mind is
you wore a I'm going to say a dark yellow
suit ray had loaded in the chamber. Eight different takes.
(15:16):
Do you remember any of them? So you say you
know where I had to go for this suit? You?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Yeah, you said, your character said, you know Raymond. A
couple of them were like Goulden's or something big, tall
and crotch. Wherever it was, it must have been dark.
(15:46):
Now listen, I want to I can take some of
the credit. But we would have a process before show showed.
On show day, when there was about an hour for
dinner or something. I wouldn't go to the dinner, and
usually two writers or three writers would come in my
dressing room and we would try to come up with
second I would circle the spot where this can be
(16:07):
a spot where we can do a lot of different
second takes.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Because it won't affect the story. It's just a punch line.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
And we would come up with about four or five
of them, and who's we everybody was just a couple
of times in Tucker Cawley would come.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
But then sometimes a line wouldn't work that we thought
was going to work, that we didn't prepare.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
So now we huddle. Listen. Nicer than a lot.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Of shows that I worked on where they would rewrite
the whole friggin scene and that in that time between
take one and take two, and we just had to say, hey,
you think.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
We could beat that line?
Speaker 7 (16:40):
But our dads were in the show, right, So we
paired up Ray's dad and my dad because we felt
like they.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Deserved each other. And so they were lodge buddies and
there was a sauna scene.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
Yep, it wasn't pretty right, but the bid is Ray
is in the sauna at the lodge. Ray is acting
like the old guys. So if they're complaining about their
aches and pains, Ray starts complaining about his aches and
paints and so sure enough he's going to turn into
an old guy like them because he hangs out with them.
(17:13):
So I don't remember what the original last line was.
Do you remember this at all? I think the last
line just didn't you know? It was okay, we could
do better. So we huddle about that last line, and
we're huddling and my father suddenly taps me on the shoulder.
He comes out of the set to where we're working
and taps me on the shoulder.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
He goes, I think I should have the last line,
I said, Dad, I'm working. Go back over there and
cover your chest. It's embarrassing.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
And he goes, all right, I'm just saying, all right,
go back over there. And we give the last line
to Peter Boyle because he's actually a regular on the show,
and it goes not even as good as the first
line that we had. Right, So we huddle again, and
as we're talking, just out of the corner of my eye,
I see my father.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And he looks at me as if to say, well,
I'm still here. And I get so angry.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
Mind your own business, do what you're lucky, you're even
do you know? This is the attitude, and Aaron, sure,
I'll never foret it comes over and he goes, I
think I have a line, but I think it's for
your dad. I'm like, I don't want to give it
to him because I would mean that He's right, Yeah,
I can't have that.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
And he tells me the line. I go, God, damn it, Dad,
come over here.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
He says, yes, say this all right, and he goes
in and here's the line.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
You say.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
You know everybody's complaining about their little eggs and pains.
You know, I had to get up last night three
times to pee and my.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Dad goes, at least you got up and it killed
Wait a minute, so he was right.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Your father came over and said, I think I should
have the last night without having a last line.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
No, he just thinks he should. He knows that he
can deliver, not like you guys.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I thought maybe he had a line and he goes,
how about this line? But no, he just said write
me a line.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Yes, because now he's a pro after being on the
show three times.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
That's one of the funniest, the biggest times I laugh
at some of the episodes I see is when you're
following my father are throwing a bachelor party for Robert.
I love it and I'm telling them to you know,
that's at the Elks or whatever it is, and what
is it. It's supposed to say happy birthday Robert in
(19:40):
a big banner, right, and it says, what does.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
It say, Woody? He says happy birthday, Woody. And this
is not gonna seem funny. It's the dead pan yes, yes,
of both of them. Because I'm like panicking.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I'm like, what do you It's supposed to say happy
birthday Robert, and just my father just dead pan goes,
I think on the phone, you said Woodie, and then
your fault I know, but it's not. It's Robert. You
got to take it down. I go, what else can
you do? And your fault says, well, we've got a
(20:14):
bunch of balloons, but we can't blow them up.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
The crazy thing about people who love the show now
is they don't realize how much easier and happier your
set was in every other set. But I know this
because I started out. I discovered your show writing for
Rolling Stone and said.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
This is how we met. He wrote the first nice
review of the show.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I reviewed every show, probably Moesha, and said, everything sucks except.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
The last one.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
I saved it for last, was I think, I said,
my mother told me to save the best for last.
This is the best show on TV. And then I
came over and ended up writing a book called The Showrunners,
where I follow people through a season of TV. And
the crazy thing is I was going right from this
that year the set of Friends, where the writers were
there til three in the morning, yes, and Phil was
sleep and had woken up for the next day because
(21:02):
he had sent everyone home for dinner.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
And set that's where the stories were coming from and
that's that you can imagine about real life unless you
have one.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Yeah. Well, to Phil's credit, also when this season would end,
so we have one two months maybe where we're h
and we would break ten ten stories.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah we're not going home.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Yeah, we have ten outlines and each writer would get
an outlined during the hiatus to put a script. So
when we came in in August, right, we had.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
We had ten drafts, ten scripts done. And that it
was hard the first year because it's all you can
do to just stay alive the first year, right, the
boulder of the schedules coming down in your head and
all the problems and figuring out what the show is
in the first season.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So we bit the bullet and stayed after we were.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Exhausted and just stayed that extra couple of weeks to
break those stories. And then everyone just would then write
the draft over their hiatus, which is not a big deal,
especially if you have the story right, yeah, and you
come in and now you're ahead, and now you can
just you're just refining, you're not write.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I don't think.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
I don't think after the first half of season one
did we do big rewrites at all.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
On the script.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
We also didn't have many B stories or C stories.
You know, where a lot of shows on Friends they
have an a story of stories. We've got to serve everybody.
We had a main story, and yes, very seldom did
we have a bee story.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I thought if it was worth telling, it was worth
telling for twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It's not right like it just too well.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
We all come from theater, so we thought that this is,
you know, our little play. My favorite shows are the
ones that take place all in one set. You know,
you know the Honeymooners.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
You bet.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Two things about brand before we go, and maybe one
about rain. But uh, we are at was it the upfront?
A party for the upfront? We're just celebrating a little bit.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
There's a bar.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
There's a bar.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
I don't know you at all other than we just
cast you.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You say, come here, come here, kid, come here. What
do you like to drink?
Speaker 7 (23:29):
I say, oh, I like, I'll have a scotch if
you're having a scotch. And he goes to the bartender,
what's your best scotch? And the guy points to the
top shelf and he goes, make it a double for
my friend. And that generosity always like that's a that's
a that's a giant show business gesture. That went a
long way. Come on, man, that was just so sweet.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Changed and YouTube changed my life.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
But you know, we did on the road together. We traveled.
He's always flipping the one hundred twenties and everything.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I had, I had it.
Speaker 7 (24:10):
It went just as fash boy Jackie. But the other
thing was, during the first week of the show, we're
just we don't even know what we have and we're
just figuring it out. And Brad is doing the part
a little more like this, So what you're seeing today
meaning a little more edge, a little more you know,
a little more, a little a little rough, let's say, right,
(24:34):
And I take him aside and I say, this is hilarious.
But I think what we're thinking is that Robert might
be more put upon, he might be more of a
sad sack.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
More more accepting of his lot in life.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
And it's like and he goes like your And I thought,
oh my god, that's genius. That's exactly the image. How
did you think of that? And you said, I am your?
I said, what he goes, I'm doing the voice of
r in the cartoon.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And I said, keep doing that. So Robert is a
little bit based on the best you gave me, No,
but you I didn't have to give it because you
were already there. You already know the guy. So that
that was fantastic.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
And what's the one about me?
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Raymond and I For those of you who don't know,
we became from just a meeting at Arts Deli and
working through a very you know, I can't say it
was easy. The birth of a show was hard, and
we're just trying to We're both you know, much younger
(25:52):
than you are today and just figuring it out. His
first leading role in Anything right, My first role in.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
Anything Yeah, I got fired from the previous role.
Speaker 7 (26:01):
You know, it's been twenty five years since then, and
now we still be vacation together with the families.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
The kids grew up together. Brad, You're welcome.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
You know, got to be invited, well you want You're
not going to get invited, but welcome.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
If somehow don't I invite you to movie night, like
every single week.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Every everything coming, I never go.
Speaker 7 (26:23):
Why are you waiting for your movie? I'm putting you
on the spot to say I love you, I want
to see more of.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
You, Thank you, and I'm a hermit.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
I know, but I want to maybe at this time
of life, when you realize how really got it this time,
how little you have left, maybe make an effort you
got it.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
I will good and I love you and I'm indebted
to both of you beyond well.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Like I said, and the way.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
The set was run, it's I've never I'll never see
anything like it. I'll never see that that kind of writing,
which I've said forever, I've never seen it.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
I doesn't feel like another life, another.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
I mean, yeah, there's nothing like it. It's at your gift,
but it's not it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
It'll never pass this way again.
Speaker 7 (27:18):
I mean, it's that those times we I think we
got in and out at the peak of the business.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Actually as a golfer, you know, playing Augusta. Augusta is
the mecca, you know, And the day after the Masters,
CBS would get one group and they would take me
and Kevin James and we would play Monday the day
after the Masters, five years in a row, and when
our shows were on the air, and now our shows
(27:45):
aren't on the air. And about three or four years later,
I mean I'm in Georgia, I'm in Atlanta, and I'm like,
maybe I can get to Augusta. I called everybody. I
called up lest Moons when he was then he was
the President's either. I called Phil Michelson, I called Jim
n Nobody could get me off for Augusta.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
No, no, those people.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
The moment you're done, you're done. I mean there's a lesson, right.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
But it's just fun. It was a fun little run
of those nine years.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
No, I can't complain. I mean, it's awesome, but when
it's done, it's done.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
You can't lose. You can't lose the gratefulness of that,
that opportunity which so many people forget. You can't forget.
No gift of its total gifts so rare, and it's
more rare than ever.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
But I'm so proud of both of you and what
you've done since then, all the great stuff you've done
since then.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Show now you proved it wasn't a luke.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Yes, and we must go on the road with you.
When when when Netflix picks us up, Yes, and they
take care of their debtors.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
What we'll do when you guys edit this the right
way so Netflix will take us. Yes, you know what,
there's editing?
Speaker 7 (28:59):
Yeah, wow, Yeah, this will be a three minute promo.
Speaker 9 (29:05):
Naked Lunch is a podcast by Phil Rosenthal and David Wilde.
Theme song and music by Brad Paisley, Produced by Will
Sterling and Ryan Tillotson, with video editing by Daniel Ferrara
and motion graphics by Ali Ahmed. Executive produced by Phil Rosenthal,
David Wilde, and our consulting journalist is Pamela Chella. If
you enjoyed the show, share it with a friend. But
if you can't take my word for it, take Phil's.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And don't forget to leave a good rating and review.
We like five stars.
Speaker 9 (29:30):
You know, thanks for listening to Naked Lunch, a Lucky
Bastard's production.
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