April 24, 2025 • 50 mins
It’s all in the family this week on a special & familial "Naked Lunch!" You are all cordially invited to join Phil & David as they revisit their Lunches with Phil's wife Monica Horan Rosenthal, son Ben Rosenthal, daughter Lily Rosenthal and brother Richard Rosethal. To learn more about building community through food and "Somebody Feed the People," visit the Philanthropy page at philrosenthalworld.com.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Phil. While you're conquering your let's revisit some of the
classic episodes in which you explore Rosen's fall family values.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What the hell is that.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's this is a very special episode. We're gonna be
hearing from your wife, your son, your daughter, and perhaps
closest to your heart, your brother Richard.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I don't think you've gotten my permission for any of this.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Let's build the beans to the fat, food for thought
and jokes on taip, talking with our mouthsful, having fun,
the beast and cake and humble pies, serving up slaice lovely,
the dressing holl the side, It's naked, lush clothing option.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Here's the love of Phil's life, Monica Horan Rosenthal from
a very romantic naked lunch that Phil and David did
with their wives.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Now, how did you two meet? I'd actually don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
He actually first actually met at the Ninth Avenue Food
Fair in Manhattan when.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
He was running the deli town No, no, just eating
he is at that time, were you working for Almi
Pictures and I had been in a play.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
We both had graduated from the same school, but we
didn't attend at the same time. I transferred to my
sophomore year and he had already graduated. I would have
been a freshman when he was a senior. So all
my classmates knew him. And he's a very good alumnus, alumna, alumni,
and so old guy. And he came to see a
(01:50):
play that we put on ourselves. One wrote it, one
directed it, we all produced it. We put on this
play and he came to see it, which was very
very nice. And I did meet him there. But Phil,
would you like to tell the next part? Because it's
a compliant for me.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's like we're reading from the Hagata, I said. I
was a little shy, but I loved I loved her comedy.
I thought she was amazing. And I said, tell that
girl she's funny to one of our mutual friends. But
I didn't want to stick around to say hello, I
(02:29):
just tell that girl she's funny, right.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
And so, but what he didn't know was all those kids,
they were all like, oh, Phil Rosenthal, Phil Rosendalt, because
he was a big star at hof String University, and.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
It was a very big star in high school and college.
And when I graduated and move into New York City
to pursue an acting career New York. It turns out
didn't hear about that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I didn't get the memo.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
They didn't.
Speaker 7 (02:56):
They were unaware. Homecoming Jew yes the paper, I said.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So, so you know, I had all kinds of odd jobs.
But this story is amazing because two weeks later is
the Ninth Avenue Food Fair, and it's in June of
every year, and they block off Ninth Avenue from thirty
seven to fifty seventh Street. You ever do it?
Speaker 7 (03:19):
Yes, if you've been there right.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Like in all the restaurants and you get down into
the Greek neighborhood and they've got lambs on a spit outside,
you know it's awesome. So I'm walking down the street
with a rib in my hand and I'm dripping sauce
on myself.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
That always works with women.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well listen, listen, But I gotta I got to offer something.
And here comes the funny girl that I saw walking
north as I'm walking south, and she's with a mutual
friend of ours, and we stop and I say, oh,
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the funny girl. I say, oh, I'm a big fan
of you, and she says, I'm a big fan of yours.
Speaker 7 (04:04):
Too, Which was that conversation.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It turns out is a lie because, just like New York,
she hadn't heard about me either.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
No, I had heard about you, baby, I just had
not seen you in anything. Yes, so I knew he
was really good. But also I had to deflect. You know,
race Catholic can't take a compliment. I'm a big fan
of yours too, But I did know he was very good,
very talented.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Anyway, Well, that just so happened that that following week,
my roommate and I are doing a play at Columbia
Grad School. I'm in the play. He's going to direct it.
It's a comedy and there's a part for a funny girl.
I said, how about that funny girl? And we call
her and she says, yes, she'll do the play. And
then we start rehearsing. I don't know if you've ever
(04:53):
been in play, but you start rehearsing him. Before you
know it, she took advantage of me. What was the play,
maut Perfect? It was called Mount Perfect. It was written
by Dan Greenberger, right, who I think it writes promos
and stuff for CBS to this day.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Oh wow, Yeah, And that would.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Have been in the eighties, eighty six, nineteen eighty six
is when we met.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
And it was and Tom McGowan was in it.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, from college, but we were in all the plays
together there.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
Yeah, and yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Just had a We had a wonderful time.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I did get to know your parents, and I have
to say I thought about them the other day because
like what I realized is like Phil is the most
successful person I know. I know a lot of rock
stars and Phil is the great, the most you know,
successful and talented guy I know. But it was fantastic
when we were in New York once around the CBS
up front, we went to the I was in the
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hotel room with him. It was actually a day that
there's so many stories to tell. There's a van Halen
story I could tell, but the amazing story is that
his parents he showed them an animated pilot that he
had done and we sat in like and it was
like the day I think it was like on a
video cassette in the hotel, like big VCR and we're
watching and it's very charming, like everything Phil does. And
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at the end, like I think it was, your dad said,
maybe there could be a character like Kramer. And what's
great is like God at my level of success. I
was like, you know, maybe I deserve whatever those little
parental stinger lines that for you do on Earth. But
you even had one, and I think it's they.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
Could it never ended, never ended.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
But you know where he's coming.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
From is very popular.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You have a cramer. To put a cramer in there, maybe.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
One Timac said to me very early on when I
was auditioning for commercials and I had another friend who
was an actor and her voice she had a very
likely little kind of little voice like that, and so
he would say to me, Monica, maybe if you try
making your voice very high or very low, that would work.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
Make your voice go high and low. The Max Rosenthal School.
It's good advice. It's good advice.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
It was also like my in laws too, were not
like in laws. They were like my parents. And I
loved my parents and my parents loved them. I mean,
it was a very very.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Each other that well, because they were. My parents are
here in California.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
David's parents were divorced and in New Jersey my dad,
my dad.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Was fading from Alzheimer's for a long time, and I
will say Fran got a little window into his great
little bit, great side. But uh, and that's why when
you talked about, you know, dealing with that, it's like
I think so much about like I was so lucky
in that it was so rough on him, but he
never forgot us. He forgot his then wife.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Maybe started with the birthday.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
I forgot that we had that.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Yeah, I'm so lucky. My mom's personality is still that
in her sweetness, and she does have a fella and
he has dementia in the same kind of way. And
it's a beautiful fifty It is like fifty first days
and the contentment, you know, and every now and then
she'll say lines, she'll say things that are right from
the play. It's astounding. How old is Shady She'll be
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eighty six. Yeah, so as long as you know.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
But our parents became friends immediately. Like they lived in Pennsylvania.
My folks lived in New York and they would meet
in New Jersey.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
That's how they met because we were.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
The first time friend has ever said the word nice
in New Jersey.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
I'm from New Jersey. Nice. They met there and not
to leave.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Just for dinner.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Fred has raised frand has raised my kids to make
Jersey jokes.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
And it's so it's easy. It's exactly, it's easy. But
there's a lot of great new.
Speaker 8 (09:11):
Jerseys that they did that.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
There is a lot of great great pizza, not just
Greig pizza.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Bruce, Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
You know about Phil's love of Bruce, Right.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, I think I think David cher Frand actually likes
Spruce like she's learned. What's weird is after twenty seven
years or fourteen happy years, as I like to put it. No,
but after by the way, I want to ask you
about wife jokes because I love wife jokes.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
Ye, but yeah, Frand hates absolutely.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
And I want to say, in case he's listening, I
love Bruce too, but it's almost like he loved him
too much that it made it annoying.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Right, I'm actually I was a documentary Straitas love Bruce
in a way that is verging on the inappropriate.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
It's it's like we're in love.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
We are in love with him.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I actually made a holiday car where I cut my
wedding picture, my face out and put his face.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Wait, no, it was a picture of you and.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Bruce, Yes, and you defiled that.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Iled it because he looked happier in the picture with
Bruce than in our texture.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Yes, but I married you. Stop complaining. You proposed to Bruce,
He just said no.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Here's Phil's firstborn, his son Ben Rosenthal, having lunch in
what was once his childhood bedroom.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
In terms of discipline, tell us a little bit about
Phil and Monica and who in terms of parenting, who,
if anyone, would be the disciplinary type. Because on one hand,
we know Phil, the lovable of what did what did?
A famous superstar actress who will be on the podcast
soon called you Theewish leprechaun or whatever?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
No, tinker Bell, Jewish tinker Bell, Okay, Jewish tinker Bell
according to a superstar actress.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And then we know Monica, who I know as the
nicest person on earth. So tell us who which one
of these people, if anyone wasday.
Speaker 9 (11:22):
Honestly, I I feel like there wasn't too much discipline
to be dulled out.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
There was.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I felt like I got a lot of discipline.
Speaker 9 (11:34):
What yeah from mom?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
That?
Speaker 9 (11:37):
Uh yeah, that I can see that.
Speaker 10 (11:41):
Now.
Speaker 9 (11:41):
I I'm trying to think of anything big that happened.
I think you there was definitely more fear of upsetting
my dad, But I think that might just be because
of the generally happy disp position that you don't want
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to see the other side. Yeah, you don't want to
break that down. You don't want to do anything to
make that go away.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You never did, Benny, You're such a good boy.
Speaker 9 (12:11):
My mom is your sister.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, we're gonna have Lily on here for.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Rebuttal Lily has been on in a few different ways.
She has and she will be back. But and I'm
trying to think for the for the fans of Phil
and the whole family, you know, as a result of
these shows, when did like did you grow up? I'm
trying to think, do the pace of years, like when
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did Raymond happen in your life? Do you remember anything
before everybody loves Raymond?
Speaker 9 (12:43):
Not really because that was ninety seven, right, the first
year ninety six, so Lily wasn't even born yet, and said,
I do remember it, being very happy child.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
This is how I wasn't till Richard came along.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
But you got you had three.
Speaker 9 (13:05):
Years two Wait, I was born in ninety four.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
No, but you had three years before Lily.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Yeah, before Lily.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, And I don't think
you were quite aware of the impact like a sibling
would have, whereas I was almost five years older than Richard,
and when he came along, I was old enough to
understand that I had been replaced. Yeah, and I'm still
not quite stayed with you.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, And I know, I know that's you know, you
do that for comedy's sake, but it's also is there
some emotional truth to it?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Of course there is. You know that it was years
after Everybody Loves Raymond that I realized there was a
very good reason why I picked that title. Of all
the things that it could have been. It is Ray's
brother saying in a in a almost sad way, everybody
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loves Raymond. We're meaning nobody loves me, right, And why
did that have such resonance for me? Monica actually read
the script and it was something that Ray's actual brother
said in real life, and she said that should be
the title, and I agreed instant And you know.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Who didn't agree instantly, right.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Because he didn't like the idea of calling it everybody
loves him, because that was like putting a target on
your back for the critics, right.
Speaker 11 (14:35):
And.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So we you know, we went round and round. We
couldn't find a better title. I like it because it's
a throwback to something like I Love Lucy, so like
that kind of classic sitcom. But more than that, I
loved how specific that line was from the character Robert
about his younger brother.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
What ha.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I didn't know need to take to go to a
psychologist to figure that out. But it didn't occur to
me until years after the show.
Speaker 8 (15:07):
I for.
Speaker 9 (15:10):
Elementary school, like up until it ended in what year,
twenty two thousand and Yeah, so I think I was
in fifth grade or fourth grade, and up until then,
at least like it felt like at least a few
times a week after school, we would just go there
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and run around the set, eat candy from craft Service,
which was as like me, Yeah, as a kid, that
was you know, you don't know that it's not that's
not normal. But it was also we were able to
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see the Sweeten kids how they were. That also seemed
not normal because they were, you know, growing up on set.
They'd finish a scene and go into school with an
(16:15):
on set teacher, and so I remembered thinking, like I
would do that. I would go I would go to
school here. That would be okay.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
You applied to everybody doing in school.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
Yeah, I didn't. I don't think I had the grades.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
But now one question I wanted to talk about with
you too. I'm being the interrogator.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I want to tell one quick story about Ben on set. Yeah,
once in a while we'd put the kids in the
shows as an extras. And we had a Halloween show
and Ben was maybe four or five years old, and
Ben dressed up as a fireman and he comes to
the door. You might remember this if you know the show.
Peter Boyle dressed as Frankenstein, a nod to him being
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the monster in Young Frankenstein. And we had doors Robert
dressed up as bride of Frankenstein. And Ben comes to
the door with some other kids, I think from some
of the writers and other families, right, And we did
take one and you said trick or treat and they
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filled your bag with candy and the kid said thank
you and went away. And then we had to do
it again. And then something happened, like a mistake happened
with the camera, and we had to do it again.
And this time when the door opened and we went
to the family went to give the kids candy, Ben says,
(17:49):
I think I have enough And it's one of my
favorite bloopers ever. And I think if you go on
YouTube and look at the bloopers from the shows. You
can see Ben doing that.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
That's and that's revealing mistake. I mean, that's revealing. That's
sort of Ben. He's a yes, read the books, he.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Gives them to somebody else. That's his nature.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yes, I'm very proud of this.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Maybe we can put that in the episode guide, or
we can hear that in audio. Maybe we can let's
put that in just okay.
Speaker 12 (18:22):
Now guys.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Were going to come back up, come back up and
say here, Ben, Benny, come here.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
This is right, This is opened the door.
Speaker 11 (18:33):
And by the way, I still get residuals from that.
Speaker 9 (18:45):
That's right, I got, I got I think like eight
dollars the other day. Come on, it feels great.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
What's your favorite Can you tell us one favorite story
about growing up with your mom?
Speaker 9 (18:56):
You know, I think the reason why this question is
like stumping me is because the you know, all the
example she she's such a good mom and was like
super like involved on top of everything. But all my
favorite stories are the stories that you know, something goes
wrong and it's I just feel like because the first
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thing that popped into my head was the time that
she she started making dinner and she made uh she
was roasting a chicken and uh my dad came home
and he uh said, all right, are we ready? We're
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because we had a reservation somewhere for the family, and
there was some miscommunication. My mom all right, fine, closed
the oven, turns it off, we go to dinner. My
mom did not cook all the time, so that oven
was not opened again for about a week. And when
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it was open.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
That's her famous dish, the week gold chickens.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
It looked like it looked like a possum had gotten it.
I'd never seen it was covered in fur. I never
seen something like that. But she was a great mom.
Speaker 12 (20:22):
And that is dinner, and you're good.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Possum is very popular in certain quarters.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That's a good story.
Speaker 9 (20:32):
A lot of food related. Oh that's there's another food one.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yes, this.
Speaker 9 (20:38):
Is a good one. This is when I was very little.
My mom was not uh, you know, she she wasn't
cooking the best stuff all the time, but she did.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
The reason your father went around the world eventually looking
for the best meals.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
But I will say that my mom uh does make
a few things very well that we all enjoy. I'm
not trying to. I'm not trying to.
Speaker 12 (21:04):
I will not sit here and have you disparage your mother.
Speaker 9 (21:07):
But one time she made a stake from the freezer
and it was it was very dry. I remember it
being dry, and I that night I got croup. And
when you have croup, it can't breathe and you don't
know what's going on. I was a little kid, so
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I went in. You were like three, yeah, four, But
I remember this pretty vividly, and uh, I went up,
I got him, and they took me to the emergency
room and uh terrified, by the way, Yeah, everyone was scared.
Speaker 12 (21:44):
Imagine imagine your three year old wakes you when you're
asleep and has walked into your bedroom and you say, Ben,
what what is it? And he says, I can't breathe.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
That is so scary even now, right, yep.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
But I promised the story gets better.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well you're here.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
Yeah, anyway, I remember that, you know, trying to think
of what could be wrong. I was like, I think
I know what's wrong. I think it's the steak is stuck.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And your mother jumped off the room the guilt alone.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Here's Phil's beloved daughter and children's book co author Lily
Rosenthal in Naked Lunch History.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
This is the first time like where you're trying to
share with a child, because my child, she is your child.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
And thank you so much, DoD. I am twenty six
years old.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
You're still my baby.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
But I thought a parent always had the right to
take half a sand which no matter what, That's what
I've seen in out in popular culture.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You wouldn't have a sandwich without me.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
That's the title of the next blo.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
That's what I throw in her face all the time.
I enjoy that sandwich. You know, without me, no sandwich.
You'd have the paper we.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Are sitting here with. Is this literally one of the
first copies that you've actually seen in physical form of
your collaboration. Yep, Phil and Lily Rosenthal. I don't know
how the legal arguments went for whose name was first
the book? Just try it. It looks beautiful.
Speaker 10 (23:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
With the New York Times bestselling illustrator Luke Flowers.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
He's awesome. But you know how this came about? No,
I would like to actually found the text and sent
it to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, Well, you say.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
It, okay. So I was with my aunt paren and she's.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
A real Karen.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
No the opposite, as she said, yes, the best. So
she said to me, you know, your dad does so
well with the kids because of somebody feed Phil. So
many kids love watching that show. They get so excited.
They love his faces. He should have a kid's book.
And so I was sitting with her and I texted
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him right away. I said, you should have a kid's book, Dad,
And he said, that's a great idea. Why don't we
do it together? And I was like, oh my god, okay,
and so we decided, all right, we'll write a book.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
You know, how you sell a kid's book.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
How is that?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You tell them the or like, do you have this idea?
Speaker 12 (24:42):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And then they go okay, write it, Okay, write it
and then we'll see you have to write the entire book.
That's how you sell the book. So everything's on spec
in the kid's book world, I think. But they did
buy two right away.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That's also how you have a child. It's all on spec.
I have found let's see if this works, and I'm
still waiting. I really have gotten no residuals, no royalties,
you know, nothing, no points.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And after we had the first child, went okay, and
then we had Lily and then we said, oh, we
better stop.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Are you waiting for me to laugh?
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Yes, we'll be waiting.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
By the way, A question for people who think you
know you have the best dad in the world. You have.
There's no way you could be annoyed with your dad.
But do you still hear some of what your dad
says as dad jokes?
Speaker 8 (25:42):
Oh my god, every every joke is an eye roll.
It's a look of are you kidding? No, I don't
like it, but but I will say when he does
say a joke that is not a dad joke, that's
like a real joke. No one laughs harder than me.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
There's nice.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Well, and I know this because we spent a fair
amount of time on the road with philis like Rosenthal
Comes Alive tour in recent.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Years, that's the only time truly alive.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
But you helped keep fun.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Oh my god, and you help them keep alive because
people don't realize it took. It was kind of like
a The tour got bigger than I think that anyone
could have expected. And there's a lot to be done,
including like organizing those book signings afterwards. I was afraid
with me. No I've watched Lily sort of make pull
that stuff together.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
I think my biggest contribution to that book tour was
lowering the demo by fifty years. No, was the chocolate
peanut butter cup addition.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Right, Dad, She said, hey, what's your rider? Because rock
stars have a rider? Explain what a rider is to
the people.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Bands famously would put in certain requirements. Initially you began
like your bare minimum of what food you wanted, what
towels you you know, wanted.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Stuff in your dressing room to make you more comfortable.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
But eventually it became something in the fleet. I'm sorry.
The actual most famous version of the van Halen Brown Eminem's,
I believe it is where people began to put things
in riders to give themselves an out, Like if they
didn't come up with the brown m and ms, you
could go, well, we're not playing the gig, or you
could demand some more money or whatever, and you could see.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
If they were serving that level of detail, then the
rest would be observed exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It was a tell that you knew whether or not
they're so let's put.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
In we're not going to have any brown eminems if
we see brown Eminem.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Right, exactly, So tell us what happened in your case.
It sounds very similar.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, I shaid, I don't need anything, and you said.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
Well, I said, all right, here's what I'm noticing, though,
maybe you don't need anything because we eat before every show,
of course, can't be hungry.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
So we usually quite well.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
Exactly so we you know, usually how the show goes.
It's he does his speaking thing, it's very nice, and
then and then and then he uh has a line
of people waiting to take photos, so he goes off
stage and the line forms in another area and he
(28:31):
goes back and then you know, takes all.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
The photos in between.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
In that in between time, he gets so tired, like
so sleepy, to the point where he's rubbing his eyes
in between photos with different fans. And I was like, Dad,
these people have waited so long. They want excited Phil,
not tired Phil. No, no, you are excited, but you're
old and sorry, sorry I meant tired.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
After yet please?
Speaker 8 (29:04):
So I said, Uh, they had some random chocolate and
I said, here, have have some. I think it was
actually I think it was Eminem's the first time I
said have some, am I'm out? And uh it really
it woke him up, so he then said, you know me, Yeah,
he said, maybe I should have chocolate every time, and
(29:25):
I said, well, your favorite is a chocolate peanut butter cup.
He goes, that's it.
Speaker 13 (29:30):
That's my rider, chocolate peanut butter So now when I
travel I asked for and believe me, I'm not quitting
if I don't have this, but if they do have it,
I asked them to go to the best chocolate chop
in that town whatever.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
That city is, like mom and pop places.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Yes, that's really.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
What I want. And it's a homemade, not milk chocolate
peanut butter cup, which is traditional like Reese's. I want
a dark chocolate peanut butter cup. People, if you haven't
had this, and those of you who had know what
I'm saying. A peanut butter cup such a treat here.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Here's because I'm chocolate is one of the only foods
I'm not obsessed with, but I know you love it.
I never realized is dark chocolate the opposite of milk chocolate?
In other words, is dark chocolate just that it doesn't
have milk in it? That's right. I never never put that.
Speaker 8 (30:24):
But dark chocolate has some milk it's just not as sweet.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And you know, when you see the percentages, that's the
amount of cocoa. Right, So milk chocolate generally has I
don't know, thirty to forty percent of what you're eating
is actual cocoa. But dark chocolate starts at like sixty
percent and goes up. You can get one hundred percent,
which is chocolate with all the pleasure taken out of it.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I've often thought, I think I'm a decent boy dad.
I've done okay. My kids might misjudge, but I always
think i'd be a terrible girl dad. You know, I
think I would be more. I don't understand women as
fran so what I I think I might be terrible?
Speaker 9 (31:14):
What?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
What kind of girl dad?
Speaker 8 (31:16):
You know?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Mind you're on his podcast?
Speaker 8 (31:20):
I could literally cry because there was this one time.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Sorry, he's that bad.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
Huh No, he's so good.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You know.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
My mom was out of town and I had my
first boyfriend, and I was he was the sweetest kid,
but I just wasn't feeling it and I didn't know
what to do because I wanted to break up with him,
but I didn't know how, and I was stressing because
my mom wasn't there. Ben wasn't home. It was just
(31:54):
my dad, and I was like, I can't talk to
my dad about a boy. That's so weird, I think.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
I had I was fifteen, and he was sitting on
the couch and he said, what's wrong and I said
it's nothing, it's about a boy and he said you
could you can talk to me? And I said really
and he said, you know, I kind of write about
(32:25):
relationships for a living. That's kind of what I do.
And I was like, oh uh yeah, okay. So there's
this boy and he's coming over right now and I
have to break up with him. I don't know. And
he gave me this advice, treat him exactly how you
would want to be treated. So if if you were
(32:46):
being if you were the one to be broken up
with right now, what would you want to hear? And
I was like, oh, I guess I would say it
this way. And I said it and I went and
I did it, and that kid and I are still friends.
And I truly believe that I wouldn't have been able
to do it correctly if I didn't have my dad
(33:06):
walking me through it.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
That's very sweetly.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I remember that very well, and I remember saying, I
know what it's like to be that boy. Yeah, oh yeah, right,
because the usually the pretty girl was going to break
up with me, so so understand the power of your
(33:35):
position and what he's going through. I think, listen, that's
just life lesson, right that, And you would be the same.
You would impart whatever experience you had, unless you're a
monster that I don't know about. You would have empathy.
That's every secret.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Yeah, I think that's the biggest girl dad. The message
that he's you know, instilled in me is to always
have empathy and to always think of the other person.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
First.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
But listen, I didn't know what I felt like you, David,
I didn't know how to what am I gonna do
with the girl? But then the moment you have the girl,
you couldn't be more in love, oh with the with
the child, right. And it turns out that what you
the wisdom, whatever wisdom you have other than the unconditional
love that you're going to give to any child no
matter what they are, who they are, is you know
(34:35):
it from the other side. And that turned out in
that case of the you know, how do I deal
with the boy? You have insight that they need.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
And now I help him with his Instagram.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
So and what I should eat and what to wear
and how to walk and don't wave my arms around
in the restaurant. I might hit a waiter worst and it.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Doesn't It's han't hurt that you also happen to have
one of the great moms of the world.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
That's so true.
Speaker 8 (35:06):
I have the best mom in the world, Monica Louise
Haraan Rosenthal.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I don't see it, but I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
You like her.
Speaker 8 (35:16):
She is the best.
Speaker 10 (35:31):
Hungry man. He's traveling on the sea in the lane.
Chang up this day the art pasta put chick in
a leg. He ya to people fly out to you
and that's fine.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
People laugh and a paw.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
This is funny. Is then.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Everybody loves Phil's little brother and his big somebody feed
Phil partner Richard Rosenthal.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Today is a dream come true. We have our most
requested William will you confirm our most requested guest ever,
and we're going to learn the lessons of stupid Richard
by people, people who have problems.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
That is a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
This is the show. Phil tried to stop.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I tried to listen I tried to stop a lot
of things. He's still here.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
He didn't want me.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
He's still here. I was five years old. I was
the star of the show at home, and then my
parents came back with the little cutie from my replacement.
My whole life, it's been like if we were the
Beatles and he was Paul McCartney and I was Stanley
Myron handled me.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You were Brian Epstein. Come on, give yourself a little credit.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
You were.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Phil likes to play like He wasn't always like the
you know, lady's choice. You know. Now he goes around
and it's NonStop bachelorette parties screaming.
Speaker 14 (37:15):
I will say this, he had two of the most
gorgeous women in high school. He dated two of the
most gorgeous women in high school.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Did they know that?
Speaker 7 (37:25):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
The girls they were dating, they knew they were gorgeous?
Speaker 10 (37:30):
Right?
Speaker 7 (37:32):
Should I say the names?
Speaker 12 (37:33):
No, I'm not saying the names.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
But we can also say it didn't go well.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
For them, were for you, for anyone?
Speaker 14 (37:42):
But he really he really broke He funny, The funny
goes a long way.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
That's not far enough, uh I I have, but I
found the most beautiful and perfect woman to marry.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
We all know that, all right, whatever, I was lucky
to get to know your parents, mostly lucky to know
your parents. If they were here, what would be their question,
do you think? Because my question is did mom have you?
Did Mom always like you? The smother's brother's.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
Question, Yeah, if she did.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Tell the people what you used to call mom.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
No, I'm not going to say that.
Speaker 14 (38:28):
It was a pet name, but it wasn't nice.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
No and an a in it.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
There was two words. We're not not saying that, William.
People will think way.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Less of me, think of two curse words. One thoughts
with that one.
Speaker 14 (38:48):
I'm sure my mother would ask how how how do
you deal with Philip?
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Like?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
How do you deal with Philip on a daily basis?
He was always so difficult?
Speaker 7 (38:55):
He is very difficult.
Speaker 14 (38:58):
My mother always found Philip very difficult.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
And told Monica maybe the first or second time that
I introduced Monica Philip, I know can be very difficult,
and if anything should happen between the two of you,
you and I will still be friends.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
My mother, Ladies and gentlemen, is that that's real?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
In fact, didn't we put it in the tribut It's
in the Tribute show. It's true, by the way, that
makes me love her even more.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Absolutely she was she was probably accurate. She's probably right.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, and you know what, she really she really I
feel bad for her because she really wanted daughters and
she got two absolute monkey animals who had no appreciation
for the things that she loved like opera. Yeah, and
(39:59):
and when she met Monica and then Karen, this was
like it was everything to her, Like we did good
by at least giving her these daughters.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I think you did good generally, both of you.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Not whatever, not Richard, to tell you your little jury.
Of course, that's why you're here. What do you think
to have a free sandwich? No, Richard?
Speaker 7 (40:21):
How did deliver?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
How does Children's Hospital? And and somebody feeds film?
Speaker 7 (40:26):
I did, so.
Speaker 14 (40:28):
I started as a production assistant. I did all that
I got into. I was like I had no life,
and I was like, oh my god. You know when
you're working production, it's like you have no life. And
I was like, all right, maybe I got to do
something else. But I was doing a lot of commercials,
so I went into the commercial So I became an
agency producer. I ended up being had a production in
(40:48):
an agency and then I really didn't love that. And
then Warner Brothers around the time just before the writer
strike of two thousand and seven, a couple of years
before that, there was a lot of web series thing,
and Warner Brothers started a web division right, and then
wanted but wanted to do it with brands and stuff.
So they were looking for somebody who had some advertising experience,
(41:10):
and it turned out anyway, we didn't. We never brands
were annoying to work with, so we never did it.
But that's how Children's Hospital came. It was during the
writer strike and Rob Corderie.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
And a brilliant, brilliant yeah, should be on this.
Speaker 9 (41:25):
Yeah, people don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Children's Hospital was a hysterical comedy series on Comedy Center.
Yeah it was on, well it was on it was
on Adult Swim.
Speaker 14 (41:35):
But first it was just a web series where for
basically the studio that I created with Warner right with
Warner Brothers, right, so we were just looking for it
was right at the time when web series were becoming
popular and stuff. There was Doctor Horrible. You remember Doctor
Horrible with neor Patrick Carror. Sorry, and uh so that
(41:58):
became that came a thing, and they got everybody because
it was the writer's strike, they were able to get
like everybody, Henry Winkler and you know, I mean every everyone,
Megan Malully and you know Rob got, he got and anyway.
So I became I became almost I became almost like
the studio head for the for the studio. So I
(42:18):
did that and then you know I was at Facebook.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
For a while.
Speaker 14 (42:21):
I didn't you know I worked for Time Warner for
a while, did you know? Came Facebook and fill up? Well,
you tell that story, you can tell.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I swear I want to turn into Jimmy Glick. Can
we take that again? But could you make it way
more interest? I hate you?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I love it?
Speaker 7 (42:47):
Uh, go on which part of the story now?
Speaker 9 (42:50):
Now I'm at I think we're just about it.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I'll have what Phil's having.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
And you had done, you had.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Done, I was, I was, I don't know.
Speaker 14 (42:58):
I must have been a Time Warner when you did that, right,
we're Warner brothers. When you did Facebook, when you did
the well, Facebook, it was in between. Facebook was in
between I'll have what Phil's having and it was somebody
feed Phil.
Speaker 10 (43:11):
Oh.
Speaker 14 (43:11):
Yeah, you were where you were, you were with, you
were doing, you were producing that thing with with Thomas
Keller in London.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
That was just a one off, and that was a one.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Off, but that's where that was for American Express, right,
But that's kind of where it But that's where I
learned what I wanted to do, right, because we did
something I didn't want to do. And and that's really
that's a very good way to learn. You learn just
as much from.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
What doesn't feel it doesn't work. Love Thomas Keller, right,
I couldn't love.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
More and one of the greatest guys in the world.
But the way we were doing this one off for
American Express member thing, which the whole thing, I don't know.
It just wasn't a good fit. And they wanted all
fancy restaurants and I knew that's not me and I
just felt this isn't right.
Speaker 7 (44:01):
But I would love to do a food at.
Speaker 14 (44:04):
Trouvel and he actually she was able to cut like
a teaser.
Speaker 7 (44:06):
Yes, that was really good, you know what I mean.
Speaker 14 (44:09):
So we used that, as you know, as the selling
point when.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yes, we went in for we went to uh PBS
and I don't think you were in that meeting. I
was because we brought Pitka in that meeting to w
gbh Uh, yeah, you were in that meeting.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Oh, because I always tell the story that you leave
Richard out, I leave him out of my whole. No, yeah,
I always It's funny how in your brain of course
you were in that meeting.
Speaker 8 (44:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
But the way it's now legend in my head is.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I called you.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
You were the first person I called, and I told
you that PBS offered me the show, and you said,
what do you mean They're going to let you do
this show six on the air? Go wherever you want
in the world. Yeah, So then I called them to
tell them we got picked up, and then of course
I wanted him to produce the show with me.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
And it's come across in your tribute to them and
all that. But like you, I know you didn't try
to always make them happy, but you made them. You
both made them really happy.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Their favorite thing in life. Oh. You said this many
many times is that we work together, and not only
that we weren't not only that we weren't fighting anymore
as little kids, but that we would grow up to
work together and be very, very happy.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
The only thing that would have made your mother happier
is if you both became women.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
And worked together exactly, right.
Speaker 7 (45:33):
Richard or two daughters working together?
Speaker 8 (45:35):
Richard?
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Would you like to announce?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
So Richard from your point of view, because I think
like after the show is now and it's you know,
seventh season and all that.
Speaker 9 (45:47):
Ye, would I like a new host?
Speaker 7 (45:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Recasting David?
Speaker 12 (45:54):
Are you.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
If anyone writes in and say Richard should, I'm gonna
kill you because I can't anymore spin off? My parents
started that, by the way, Where's Richard? When I was Yeah,
when I was zooming on the very first show that
we filmed. I think it was the Tokyo episode or
the Barcelona I'm zooming with my parents and I'm talking
(46:20):
to them, and in the middle of a sentence that
I'm saying, my parents, go, where's Richard? And now people
say that to me at every live show. Where's Richard?
Speaker 10 (46:32):
Now?
Speaker 1 (46:32):
This is a little bit like the issue with William
Hurt and broadcast news. But how much how real is
what we your parents to me? Knowing them, I sense
it's one hundred. They weren't like faking technical problems. They
weren't faking Oh my god, we wish it was faking.
(46:53):
You have to tell the story.
Speaker 9 (46:54):
So we're in It was in uh Italy, in Italy.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
You have to tell that because it was insane.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
We had to cut out some of the reel because
it was too much. They got into a full blown
fight with each other. Yes I'm talking, says my father,
because my mother cut him angry or something really angry,
really angry. And then they start screaming at each other
as if we're not filming a TV show, and the
(47:21):
whole crew is watched, and the whole crew is watching,
and I'm dying of embarrassment. Richard, I think, you know,
tried to kill himself. But it was just absolutely mortifying.
And then I had to god, as I had in
the past sometimes act as their therapist and get them
back together so we could finish the show right exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yes, it wasn't about It wasn't about them. It was
about the show.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
But I mean they had this uncanny natural ability to
completely forget that they're being filmed. I don't know how
it happened in Exporting Raymond the first time, right, they
just come completely for Like I don't understand because you
had the you literally had the cameras there in their
when we never had camera I mean, yeah, we're just
(48:08):
doing this apartment with Daniel Blue.
Speaker 14 (48:09):
We did yes the one time, but I mean the
rest of the time, they're just they're at home, we're
somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
They're just on zoom right.
Speaker 14 (48:16):
Right, I'm calling that, you know, right, I'm calling them
setting it up, and they're just they just think they're
talking to They just think they're talking to Philip.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
They don't see all the cameras, they don't see that.
I have to sometimes remind them, you know, when my
mom ducks under the computer to pick up something that
she dropped us, when she stays down there too long
because she figures you'll clean the whole area now, I said,
you know, we're filming right now.
Speaker 14 (48:41):
Or she'll take a phone call a few times, right,
and we.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Keep that that, we keep it. I don't know how
much you get notes from Netflix or have over the
course of the show. But now, because a network note
typically wouldn't be can we have some older Jews on
this ship?
Speaker 5 (48:57):
What?
Speaker 2 (48:57):
What?
Speaker 1 (48:57):
What was the inaction to them being so prominent? And
because I think it's a huge it's one of the
most relatable things.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
And one of the I think it's like the heart
of the show in a certain way. It's a great question, yeah,
because this is not the demo that they go for, right.
But even on Raymond, there was some kind of survey
because they're trying to get young people, and you know,
the data came back the young people's favorite characters on
(49:26):
Everybody Loves Raymond were the grandma and grandpa.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
So it's all blogey.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
It's all a fallacy that young people only want to
see young people. Young people want to see funny, they
want to see what works, and Max and Helen really
work and they are undeniable and it doesn't matter how.
Speaker 7 (49:47):
Old you are.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
We all relate to them because we all either are
parents or have had parents, right, And so it's just
they were always at richer to say always.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
Naked Lunch is a podcast by Phil Rosenthal and David Wilde.
Theme song and music by Brad Paisley, Produced by Will
Sterling and Ryan Tillotson, with video editing by Daniel Ferrara
and motion graphics by Ali Ahmed. Executive produced by Phil Rosenthal,
David Wilde, and our consulting journalist is Pamela Chella. Thanks
for listening to Naked Lunch, A Lucky Bastard's production.
Phil. While you're conquering your let's revisit some of the
classic episodes in which you explore Rosen's fall family values.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What the hell is that.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's this is a very special episode. We're gonna be
hearing from your wife, your son, your daughter, and perhaps
closest to your heart, your brother Richard.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I don't think you've gotten my permission for any of this.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Let's build the beans to the fat, food for thought
and jokes on taip, talking with our mouthsful, having fun,
the beast and cake and humble pies, serving up slaice lovely,
the dressing holl the side, It's naked, lush clothing option.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Here's the love of Phil's life, Monica Horan Rosenthal from
a very romantic naked lunch that Phil and David did
with their wives.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Now, how did you two meet? I'd actually don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
He actually first actually met at the Ninth Avenue Food
Fair in Manhattan when.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
He was running the deli town No, no, just eating
he is at that time, were you working for Almi
Pictures and I had been in a play.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
We both had graduated from the same school, but we
didn't attend at the same time. I transferred to my
sophomore year and he had already graduated. I would have
been a freshman when he was a senior. So all
my classmates knew him. And he's a very good alumnus, alumna, alumni,
and so old guy. And he came to see a
(01:50):
play that we put on ourselves. One wrote it, one
directed it, we all produced it. We put on this
play and he came to see it, which was very
very nice. And I did meet him there. But Phil,
would you like to tell the next part? Because it's
a compliant for me.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
It's like we're reading from the Hagata, I said. I
was a little shy, but I loved I loved her comedy.
I thought she was amazing. And I said, tell that
girl she's funny to one of our mutual friends. But
I didn't want to stick around to say hello, I
(02:29):
just tell that girl she's funny, right.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
And so, but what he didn't know was all those kids,
they were all like, oh, Phil Rosenthal, Phil Rosendalt, because
he was a big star at hof String University, and.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
It was a very big star in high school and college.
And when I graduated and move into New York City
to pursue an acting career New York. It turns out
didn't hear about that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I didn't get the memo.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
They didn't.
Speaker 7 (02:56):
They were unaware. Homecoming Jew yes the paper, I said.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So, so you know, I had all kinds of odd jobs.
But this story is amazing because two weeks later is
the Ninth Avenue Food Fair, and it's in June of
every year, and they block off Ninth Avenue from thirty
seven to fifty seventh Street. You ever do it?
Speaker 7 (03:19):
Yes, if you've been there right.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Like in all the restaurants and you get down into
the Greek neighborhood and they've got lambs on a spit outside,
you know it's awesome. So I'm walking down the street
with a rib in my hand and I'm dripping sauce
on myself.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
That always works with women.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well listen, listen, But I gotta I got to offer something.
And here comes the funny girl that I saw walking
north as I'm walking south, and she's with a mutual
friend of ours, and we stop and I say, oh,
(03:55):
the funny girl. I say, oh, I'm a big fan
of you, and she says, I'm a big fan of yours.
Speaker 7 (04:04):
Too, Which was that conversation.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It turns out is a lie because, just like New York,
she hadn't heard about me either.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
No, I had heard about you, baby, I just had
not seen you in anything. Yes, so I knew he
was really good. But also I had to deflect. You know,
race Catholic can't take a compliment. I'm a big fan
of yours too, But I did know he was very good,
very talented.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Anyway, Well, that just so happened that that following week,
my roommate and I are doing a play at Columbia
Grad School. I'm in the play. He's going to direct it.
It's a comedy and there's a part for a funny girl.
I said, how about that funny girl? And we call
her and she says, yes, she'll do the play. And
then we start rehearsing. I don't know if you've ever
(04:53):
been in play, but you start rehearsing him. Before you
know it, she took advantage of me. What was the play,
maut Perfect? It was called Mount Perfect. It was written
by Dan Greenberger, right, who I think it writes promos
and stuff for CBS to this day.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Oh wow, Yeah, And that would.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Have been in the eighties, eighty six, nineteen eighty six
is when we met.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
And it was and Tom McGowan was in it.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, from college, but we were in all the plays
together there.
Speaker 7 (05:25):
Yeah, and yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Just had a We had a wonderful time.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I did get to know your parents, and I have
to say I thought about them the other day because
like what I realized is like Phil is the most
successful person I know. I know a lot of rock
stars and Phil is the great, the most you know,
successful and talented guy I know. But it was fantastic
when we were in New York once around the CBS
up front, we went to the I was in the
(05:53):
hotel room with him. It was actually a day that
there's so many stories to tell. There's a van Halen
story I could tell, but the amazing story is that
his parents he showed them an animated pilot that he
had done and we sat in like and it was
like the day I think it was like on a
video cassette in the hotel, like big VCR and we're
watching and it's very charming, like everything Phil does. And
(06:16):
at the end, like I think it was, your dad said,
maybe there could be a character like Kramer. And what's
great is like God at my level of success. I
was like, you know, maybe I deserve whatever those little
parental stinger lines that for you do on Earth. But
you even had one, and I think it's they.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
Could it never ended, never ended.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
But you know where he's coming.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
From is very popular.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You have a cramer. To put a cramer in there, maybe.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
One Timac said to me very early on when I
was auditioning for commercials and I had another friend who
was an actor and her voice she had a very
likely little kind of little voice like that, and so
he would say to me, Monica, maybe if you try
making your voice very high or very low, that would work.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
Make your voice go high and low. The Max Rosenthal School.
It's good advice. It's good advice.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
It was also like my in laws too, were not
like in laws. They were like my parents. And I
loved my parents and my parents loved them. I mean,
it was a very very.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Each other that well, because they were. My parents are
here in California.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
David's parents were divorced and in New Jersey my dad,
my dad.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Was fading from Alzheimer's for a long time, and I
will say Fran got a little window into his great
little bit, great side. But uh, and that's why when
you talked about, you know, dealing with that, it's like
I think so much about like I was so lucky
in that it was so rough on him, but he
never forgot us. He forgot his then wife.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Maybe started with the birthday.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
I forgot that we had that.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Yeah, I'm so lucky. My mom's personality is still that
in her sweetness, and she does have a fella and
he has dementia in the same kind of way. And
it's a beautiful fifty It is like fifty first days
and the contentment, you know, and every now and then
she'll say lines, she'll say things that are right from
the play. It's astounding. How old is Shady She'll be
(08:37):
eighty six. Yeah, so as long as you know.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
But our parents became friends immediately. Like they lived in Pennsylvania.
My folks lived in New York and they would meet
in New Jersey.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
That's how they met because we were.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
The first time friend has ever said the word nice
in New Jersey.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
I'm from New Jersey. Nice. They met there and not
to leave.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Just for dinner.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Fred has raised frand has raised my kids to make
Jersey jokes.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
And it's so it's easy. It's exactly, it's easy. But
there's a lot of great new.
Speaker 8 (09:11):
Jerseys that they did that.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
There is a lot of great great pizza, not just
Greig pizza.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
Bruce, Bruce Springsteen.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
You know about Phil's love of Bruce, Right.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, I think I think David cher Frand actually likes
Spruce like she's learned. What's weird is after twenty seven
years or fourteen happy years, as I like to put it. No,
but after by the way, I want to ask you
about wife jokes because I love wife jokes.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
Ye, but yeah, Frand hates absolutely.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
And I want to say, in case he's listening, I
love Bruce too, but it's almost like he loved him
too much that it made it annoying.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Right, I'm actually I was a documentary Straitas love Bruce
in a way that is verging on the inappropriate.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
It's it's like we're in love.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
We are in love with him.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
I actually made a holiday car where I cut my
wedding picture, my face out and put his face.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Wait, no, it was a picture of you and.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Bruce, Yes, and you defiled that.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Iled it because he looked happier in the picture with
Bruce than in our texture.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Yes, but I married you. Stop complaining. You proposed to Bruce,
He just said no.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Here's Phil's firstborn, his son Ben Rosenthal, having lunch in
what was once his childhood bedroom.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
In terms of discipline, tell us a little bit about
Phil and Monica and who in terms of parenting, who,
if anyone, would be the disciplinary type. Because on one hand,
we know Phil, the lovable of what did what did?
A famous superstar actress who will be on the podcast
soon called you Theewish leprechaun or whatever?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
No, tinker Bell, Jewish tinker Bell, Okay, Jewish tinker Bell
according to a superstar actress.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And then we know Monica, who I know as the
nicest person on earth. So tell us who which one
of these people, if anyone wasday.
Speaker 9 (11:22):
Honestly, I I feel like there wasn't too much discipline
to be dulled out.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
There was.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I felt like I got a lot of discipline.
Speaker 9 (11:34):
What yeah from mom?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
That?
Speaker 9 (11:37):
Uh yeah, that I can see that.
Speaker 10 (11:41):
Now.
Speaker 9 (11:41):
I I'm trying to think of anything big that happened.
I think you there was definitely more fear of upsetting
my dad, But I think that might just be because
of the generally happy disp position that you don't want
(12:02):
to see the other side. Yeah, you don't want to
break that down. You don't want to do anything to
make that go away.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You never did, Benny, You're such a good boy.
Speaker 9 (12:11):
My mom is your sister.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, we're gonna have Lily on here for.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Rebuttal Lily has been on in a few different ways.
She has and she will be back. But and I'm
trying to think for the for the fans of Phil
and the whole family, you know, as a result of
these shows, when did like did you grow up? I'm
trying to think, do the pace of years, like when
(12:37):
did Raymond happen in your life? Do you remember anything
before everybody loves Raymond?
Speaker 9 (12:43):
Not really because that was ninety seven, right, the first
year ninety six, so Lily wasn't even born yet, and said,
I do remember it, being very happy child.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
This is how I wasn't till Richard came along.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
But you got you had three.
Speaker 9 (13:05):
Years two Wait, I was born in ninety four.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
No, but you had three years before Lily.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
Yeah, before Lily.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, And I don't think
you were quite aware of the impact like a sibling
would have, whereas I was almost five years older than Richard,
and when he came along, I was old enough to
understand that I had been replaced. Yeah, and I'm still
not quite stayed with you.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, And I know, I know that's you know, you
do that for comedy's sake, but it's also is there
some emotional truth to it?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Of course there is. You know that it was years
after Everybody Loves Raymond that I realized there was a
very good reason why I picked that title. Of all
the things that it could have been. It is Ray's
brother saying in a in a almost sad way, everybody
(14:04):
loves Raymond. We're meaning nobody loves me, right, And why
did that have such resonance for me? Monica actually read
the script and it was something that Ray's actual brother
said in real life, and she said that should be
the title, and I agreed instant And you know.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Who didn't agree instantly, right.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Because he didn't like the idea of calling it everybody
loves him, because that was like putting a target on
your back for the critics, right.
Speaker 11 (14:35):
And.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So we you know, we went round and round. We
couldn't find a better title. I like it because it's
a throwback to something like I Love Lucy, so like
that kind of classic sitcom. But more than that, I
loved how specific that line was from the character Robert
about his younger brother.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
What ha.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I didn't know need to take to go to a
psychologist to figure that out. But it didn't occur to
me until years after the show.
Speaker 8 (15:07):
I for.
Speaker 9 (15:10):
Elementary school, like up until it ended in what year,
twenty two thousand and Yeah, so I think I was
in fifth grade or fourth grade, and up until then,
at least like it felt like at least a few
times a week after school, we would just go there
(15:33):
and run around the set, eat candy from craft Service,
which was as like me, Yeah, as a kid, that
was you know, you don't know that it's not that's
not normal. But it was also we were able to
(15:55):
see the Sweeten kids how they were. That also seemed
not normal because they were, you know, growing up on set.
They'd finish a scene and go into school with an
(16:15):
on set teacher, and so I remembered thinking, like I
would do that. I would go I would go to
school here. That would be okay.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
You applied to everybody doing in school.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
Yeah, I didn't. I don't think I had the grades.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
But now one question I wanted to talk about with
you too. I'm being the interrogator.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I want to tell one quick story about Ben on set. Yeah,
once in a while we'd put the kids in the
shows as an extras. And we had a Halloween show
and Ben was maybe four or five years old, and
Ben dressed up as a fireman and he comes to
the door. You might remember this if you know the show.
Peter Boyle dressed as Frankenstein, a nod to him being
(17:03):
the monster in Young Frankenstein. And we had doors Robert
dressed up as bride of Frankenstein. And Ben comes to
the door with some other kids, I think from some
of the writers and other families, right, And we did
take one and you said trick or treat and they
(17:26):
filled your bag with candy and the kid said thank
you and went away. And then we had to do
it again. And then something happened, like a mistake happened
with the camera, and we had to do it again.
And this time when the door opened and we went
to the family went to give the kids candy, Ben says,
(17:49):
I think I have enough And it's one of my
favorite bloopers ever. And I think if you go on
YouTube and look at the bloopers from the shows. You
can see Ben doing that.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
That's and that's revealing mistake. I mean, that's revealing. That's
sort of Ben. He's a yes, read the books, he.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Gives them to somebody else. That's his nature.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yes, I'm very proud of this.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Maybe we can put that in the episode guide, or
we can hear that in audio. Maybe we can let's
put that in just okay.
Speaker 12 (18:22):
Now guys.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Were going to come back up, come back up and
say here, Ben, Benny, come here.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
This is right, This is opened the door.
Speaker 11 (18:33):
And by the way, I still get residuals from that.
Speaker 9 (18:45):
That's right, I got, I got I think like eight
dollars the other day. Come on, it feels great.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
What's your favorite Can you tell us one favorite story
about growing up with your mom?
Speaker 9 (18:56):
You know, I think the reason why this question is
like stumping me is because the you know, all the
example she she's such a good mom and was like
super like involved on top of everything. But all my
favorite stories are the stories that you know, something goes
wrong and it's I just feel like because the first
(19:18):
thing that popped into my head was the time that
she she started making dinner and she made uh she
was roasting a chicken and uh my dad came home
and he uh said, all right, are we ready? We're
(19:41):
because we had a reservation somewhere for the family, and
there was some miscommunication. My mom all right, fine, closed
the oven, turns it off, we go to dinner. My
mom did not cook all the time, so that oven
was not opened again for about a week. And when
(20:06):
it was open.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
That's her famous dish, the week gold chickens.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
It looked like it looked like a possum had gotten it.
I'd never seen it was covered in fur. I never
seen something like that. But she was a great mom.
Speaker 12 (20:22):
And that is dinner, and you're good.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Possum is very popular in certain quarters.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
That's a good story.
Speaker 9 (20:32):
A lot of food related. Oh that's there's another food one.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yes, this.
Speaker 9 (20:38):
Is a good one. This is when I was very little.
My mom was not uh, you know, she she wasn't
cooking the best stuff all the time, but she did.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
The reason your father went around the world eventually looking
for the best meals.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
But I will say that my mom uh does make
a few things very well that we all enjoy. I'm
not trying to. I'm not trying to.
Speaker 12 (21:04):
I will not sit here and have you disparage your mother.
Speaker 9 (21:07):
But one time she made a stake from the freezer
and it was it was very dry. I remember it
being dry, and I that night I got croup. And
when you have croup, it can't breathe and you don't
know what's going on. I was a little kid, so
(21:29):
I went in. You were like three, yeah, four, But
I remember this pretty vividly, and uh, I went up,
I got him, and they took me to the emergency
room and uh terrified, by the way, Yeah, everyone was scared.
Speaker 12 (21:44):
Imagine imagine your three year old wakes you when you're
asleep and has walked into your bedroom and you say, Ben,
what what is it? And he says, I can't breathe.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
That is so scary even now, right, yep.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
But I promised the story gets better.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Well you're here.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
Yeah, anyway, I remember that, you know, trying to think
of what could be wrong. I was like, I think
I know what's wrong. I think it's the steak is stuck.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And your mother jumped off the room the guilt alone.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Here's Phil's beloved daughter and children's book co author Lily
Rosenthal in Naked Lunch History.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
This is the first time like where you're trying to
share with a child, because my child, she is your child.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
And thank you so much, DoD. I am twenty six
years old.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
You're still my baby.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
But I thought a parent always had the right to
take half a sand which no matter what, That's what
I've seen in out in popular culture.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You wouldn't have a sandwich without me.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
That's the title of the next blo.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
That's what I throw in her face all the time.
I enjoy that sandwich. You know, without me, no sandwich.
You'd have the paper we.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Are sitting here with. Is this literally one of the
first copies that you've actually seen in physical form of
your collaboration. Yep, Phil and Lily Rosenthal. I don't know
how the legal arguments went for whose name was first
the book? Just try it. It looks beautiful.
Speaker 10 (23:39):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
With the New York Times bestselling illustrator Luke Flowers.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
He's awesome. But you know how this came about? No,
I would like to actually found the text and sent
it to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, Well, you say.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
It, okay. So I was with my aunt paren and she's.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
A real Karen.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
No the opposite, as she said, yes, the best. So
she said to me, you know, your dad does so
well with the kids because of somebody feed Phil. So
many kids love watching that show. They get so excited.
They love his faces. He should have a kid's book.
And so I was sitting with her and I texted
(24:23):
him right away. I said, you should have a kid's book, Dad,
And he said, that's a great idea. Why don't we
do it together? And I was like, oh my god, okay,
and so we decided, all right, we'll write a book.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
You know, how you sell a kid's book.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
How is that?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
You tell them the or like, do you have this idea?
Speaker 12 (24:42):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And then they go okay, write it, Okay, write it
and then we'll see you have to write the entire book.
That's how you sell the book. So everything's on spec
in the kid's book world, I think. But they did
buy two right away.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
That's also how you have a child. It's all on spec.
I have found let's see if this works, and I'm
still waiting. I really have gotten no residuals, no royalties,
you know, nothing, no points.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And after we had the first child, went okay, and
then we had Lily and then we said, oh, we
better stop.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Are you waiting for me to laugh?
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Yes, we'll be waiting.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
By the way, A question for people who think you
know you have the best dad in the world. You have.
There's no way you could be annoyed with your dad.
But do you still hear some of what your dad
says as dad jokes?
Speaker 8 (25:42):
Oh my god, every every joke is an eye roll.
It's a look of are you kidding? No, I don't
like it, but but I will say when he does
say a joke that is not a dad joke, that's
like a real joke. No one laughs harder than me.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
There's nice.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Well, and I know this because we spent a fair
amount of time on the road with philis like Rosenthal
Comes Alive tour in recent.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Years, that's the only time truly alive.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
But you helped keep fun.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Oh my god, and you help them keep alive because
people don't realize it took. It was kind of like
a The tour got bigger than I think that anyone
could have expected. And there's a lot to be done,
including like organizing those book signings afterwards. I was afraid
with me. No I've watched Lily sort of make pull
that stuff together.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
I think my biggest contribution to that book tour was
lowering the demo by fifty years. No, was the chocolate
peanut butter cup addition.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Right, Dad, She said, hey, what's your rider? Because rock
stars have a rider? Explain what a rider is to
the people.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Bands famously would put in certain requirements. Initially you began
like your bare minimum of what food you wanted, what
towels you you know, wanted.
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Stuff in your dressing room to make you more comfortable.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
But eventually it became something in the fleet. I'm sorry.
The actual most famous version of the van Halen Brown Eminem's,
I believe it is where people began to put things
in riders to give themselves an out, Like if they
didn't come up with the brown m and ms, you
could go, well, we're not playing the gig, or you
could demand some more money or whatever, and you could see.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
If they were serving that level of detail, then the
rest would be observed exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It was a tell that you knew whether or not
they're so let's put.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
In we're not going to have any brown eminems if
we see brown Eminem.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Right, exactly, So tell us what happened in your case.
It sounds very similar.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, I shaid, I don't need anything, and you said.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
Well, I said, all right, here's what I'm noticing, though,
maybe you don't need anything because we eat before every show,
of course, can't be hungry.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
So we usually quite well.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
Exactly so we you know, usually how the show goes.
It's he does his speaking thing, it's very nice, and
then and then and then he uh has a line
of people waiting to take photos, so he goes off
stage and the line forms in another area and he
(28:31):
goes back and then you know, takes all.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
The photos in between.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
In that in between time, he gets so tired, like
so sleepy, to the point where he's rubbing his eyes
in between photos with different fans. And I was like, Dad,
these people have waited so long. They want excited Phil,
not tired Phil. No, no, you are excited, but you're
old and sorry, sorry I meant tired.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
After yet please?
Speaker 8 (29:04):
So I said, Uh, they had some random chocolate and
I said, here, have have some. I think it was
actually I think it was Eminem's the first time I
said have some, am I'm out? And uh it really
it woke him up, so he then said, you know me, Yeah,
he said, maybe I should have chocolate every time, and
(29:25):
I said, well, your favorite is a chocolate peanut butter cup.
He goes, that's it.
Speaker 13 (29:30):
That's my rider, chocolate peanut butter So now when I
travel I asked for and believe me, I'm not quitting
if I don't have this, but if they do have it,
I asked them to go to the best chocolate chop
in that town whatever.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
That city is, like mom and pop places.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Yes, that's really.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
What I want. And it's a homemade, not milk chocolate
peanut butter cup, which is traditional like Reese's. I want
a dark chocolate peanut butter cup. People, if you haven't
had this, and those of you who had know what
I'm saying. A peanut butter cup such a treat here.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Here's because I'm chocolate is one of the only foods
I'm not obsessed with, but I know you love it.
I never realized is dark chocolate the opposite of milk chocolate?
In other words, is dark chocolate just that it doesn't
have milk in it? That's right. I never never put that.
Speaker 8 (30:24):
But dark chocolate has some milk it's just not as sweet.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And you know, when you see the percentages, that's the
amount of cocoa. Right, So milk chocolate generally has I
don't know, thirty to forty percent of what you're eating
is actual cocoa. But dark chocolate starts at like sixty
percent and goes up. You can get one hundred percent,
which is chocolate with all the pleasure taken out of it.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I've often thought, I think I'm a decent boy dad.
I've done okay. My kids might misjudge, but I always
think i'd be a terrible girl dad. You know, I
think I would be more. I don't understand women as
fran so what I I think I might be terrible?
Speaker 9 (31:14):
What?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
What kind of girl dad?
Speaker 8 (31:16):
You know?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Mind you're on his podcast?
Speaker 8 (31:20):
I could literally cry because there was this one time.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Sorry, he's that bad.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
Huh No, he's so good.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You know.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
My mom was out of town and I had my
first boyfriend, and I was he was the sweetest kid,
but I just wasn't feeling it and I didn't know
what to do because I wanted to break up with him,
but I didn't know how, and I was stressing because
my mom wasn't there. Ben wasn't home. It was just
(31:54):
my dad, and I was like, I can't talk to
my dad about a boy. That's so weird, I think.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
I had I was fifteen, and he was sitting on
the couch and he said, what's wrong and I said
it's nothing, it's about a boy and he said you
could you can talk to me? And I said really
and he said, you know, I kind of write about
(32:25):
relationships for a living. That's kind of what I do.
And I was like, oh uh yeah, okay. So there's
this boy and he's coming over right now and I
have to break up with him. I don't know. And
he gave me this advice, treat him exactly how you
would want to be treated. So if if you were
(32:46):
being if you were the one to be broken up
with right now, what would you want to hear? And
I was like, oh, I guess I would say it
this way. And I said it and I went and
I did it, and that kid and I are still friends.
And I truly believe that I wouldn't have been able
to do it correctly if I didn't have my dad
(33:06):
walking me through it.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
That's very sweetly.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I remember that very well, and I remember saying, I
know what it's like to be that boy. Yeah, oh yeah, right,
because the usually the pretty girl was going to break
up with me, so so understand the power of your
(33:35):
position and what he's going through. I think, listen, that's
just life lesson, right that, And you would be the same.
You would impart whatever experience you had, unless you're a
monster that I don't know about. You would have empathy.
That's every secret.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
Yeah, I think that's the biggest girl dad. The message
that he's you know, instilled in me is to always
have empathy and to always think of the other person.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
First.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
But listen, I didn't know what I felt like you, David,
I didn't know how to what am I gonna do
with the girl? But then the moment you have the girl,
you couldn't be more in love, oh with the with
the child, right. And it turns out that what you
the wisdom, whatever wisdom you have other than the unconditional
love that you're going to give to any child no
matter what they are, who they are, is you know
(34:35):
it from the other side. And that turned out in
that case of the you know, how do I deal
with the boy? You have insight that they need.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
And now I help him with his Instagram.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
So and what I should eat and what to wear
and how to walk and don't wave my arms around
in the restaurant. I might hit a waiter worst and it.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Doesn't It's han't hurt that you also happen to have
one of the great moms of the world.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
That's so true.
Speaker 8 (35:06):
I have the best mom in the world, Monica Louise
Haraan Rosenthal.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I don't see it, but I'm glad.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
You like her.
Speaker 8 (35:16):
She is the best.
Speaker 10 (35:31):
Hungry man. He's traveling on the sea in the lane.
Chang up this day the art pasta put chick in
a leg. He ya to people fly out to you
and that's fine.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
People laugh and a paw.
Speaker 10 (35:55):
This is funny. Is then.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Everybody loves Phil's little brother and his big somebody feed
Phil partner Richard Rosenthal.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Today is a dream come true. We have our most
requested William will you confirm our most requested guest ever,
and we're going to learn the lessons of stupid Richard
by people, people who have problems.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
That is a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
This is the show. Phil tried to stop.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I tried to listen I tried to stop a lot
of things. He's still here.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
He didn't want me.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
He's still here. I was five years old. I was
the star of the show at home, and then my
parents came back with the little cutie from my replacement.
My whole life, it's been like if we were the
Beatles and he was Paul McCartney and I was Stanley
Myron handled me.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You were Brian Epstein. Come on, give yourself a little credit.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
You were.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Phil likes to play like He wasn't always like the
you know, lady's choice. You know. Now he goes around
and it's NonStop bachelorette parties screaming.
Speaker 14 (37:15):
I will say this, he had two of the most
gorgeous women in high school. He dated two of the
most gorgeous women in high school.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Did they know that?
Speaker 7 (37:25):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
The girls they were dating, they knew they were gorgeous?
Speaker 10 (37:30):
Right?
Speaker 7 (37:32):
Should I say the names?
Speaker 12 (37:33):
No, I'm not saying the names.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
But we can also say it didn't go well.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
For them, were for you, for anyone?
Speaker 14 (37:42):
But he really he really broke He funny, The funny
goes a long way.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
That's not far enough, uh I I have, but I
found the most beautiful and perfect woman to marry.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
We all know that, all right, whatever, I was lucky
to get to know your parents, mostly lucky to know
your parents. If they were here, what would be their question,
do you think? Because my question is did mom have you?
Did Mom always like you? The smother's brother's.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
Question, Yeah, if she did.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Tell the people what you used to call mom.
Speaker 9 (38:25):
No, I'm not going to say that.
Speaker 14 (38:28):
It was a pet name, but it wasn't nice.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
No and an a in it.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
There was two words. We're not not saying that, William.
People will think way.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Less of me, think of two curse words. One thoughts
with that one.
Speaker 14 (38:48):
I'm sure my mother would ask how how how do
you deal with Philip?
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Like?
Speaker 2 (38:52):
How do you deal with Philip on a daily basis?
He was always so difficult?
Speaker 7 (38:55):
He is very difficult.
Speaker 14 (38:58):
My mother always found Philip very difficult.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
And told Monica maybe the first or second time that
I introduced Monica Philip, I know can be very difficult,
and if anything should happen between the two of you,
you and I will still be friends.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
My mother, Ladies and gentlemen, is that that's real?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
In fact, didn't we put it in the tribut It's
in the Tribute show. It's true, by the way, that
makes me love her even more.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Absolutely she was she was probably accurate. She's probably right.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, and you know what, she really she really I
feel bad for her because she really wanted daughters and
she got two absolute monkey animals who had no appreciation
for the things that she loved like opera. Yeah, and
(39:59):
and when she met Monica and then Karen, this was
like it was everything to her, Like we did good
by at least giving her these daughters.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
I think you did good generally, both of you.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Not whatever, not Richard, to tell you your little jury.
Of course, that's why you're here. What do you think
to have a free sandwich? No, Richard?
Speaker 7 (40:21):
How did deliver?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
How does Children's Hospital? And and somebody feeds film?
Speaker 7 (40:26):
I did, so.
Speaker 14 (40:28):
I started as a production assistant. I did all that
I got into. I was like I had no life,
and I was like, oh my god. You know when
you're working production, it's like you have no life. And
I was like, all right, maybe I got to do
something else. But I was doing a lot of commercials,
so I went into the commercial So I became an
agency producer. I ended up being had a production in
(40:48):
an agency and then I really didn't love that. And
then Warner Brothers around the time just before the writer
strike of two thousand and seven, a couple of years
before that, there was a lot of web series thing,
and Warner Brothers started a web division right, and then
wanted but wanted to do it with brands and stuff.
So they were looking for somebody who had some advertising experience,
(41:10):
and it turned out anyway, we didn't. We never brands
were annoying to work with, so we never did it.
But that's how Children's Hospital came. It was during the
writer strike and Rob Corderie.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
And a brilliant, brilliant yeah, should be on this.
Speaker 9 (41:25):
Yeah, people don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Children's Hospital was a hysterical comedy series on Comedy Center.
Yeah it was on, well it was on it was
on Adult Swim.
Speaker 14 (41:35):
But first it was just a web series where for
basically the studio that I created with Warner right with
Warner Brothers, right, so we were just looking for it
was right at the time when web series were becoming
popular and stuff. There was Doctor Horrible. You remember Doctor
Horrible with neor Patrick Carror. Sorry, and uh so that
(41:58):
became that came a thing, and they got everybody because
it was the writer's strike, they were able to get
like everybody, Henry Winkler and you know, I mean every everyone,
Megan Malully and you know Rob got, he got and anyway.
So I became I became almost I became almost like
the studio head for the for the studio. So I
(42:18):
did that and then you know I was at Facebook.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
For a while.
Speaker 14 (42:21):
I didn't you know I worked for Time Warner for
a while, did you know? Came Facebook and fill up? Well,
you tell that story, you can tell.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I swear I want to turn into Jimmy Glick. Can
we take that again? But could you make it way
more interest? I hate you?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I love it?
Speaker 7 (42:47):
Uh, go on which part of the story now?
Speaker 9 (42:50):
Now I'm at I think we're just about it.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I'll have what Phil's having.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
And you had done, you had.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Done, I was, I was, I don't know.
Speaker 14 (42:58):
I must have been a Time Warner when you did that, right,
we're Warner brothers. When you did Facebook, when you did
the well, Facebook, it was in between. Facebook was in
between I'll have what Phil's having and it was somebody
feed Phil.
Speaker 10 (43:11):
Oh.
Speaker 14 (43:11):
Yeah, you were where you were, you were with, you
were doing, you were producing that thing with with Thomas
Keller in London.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
That was just a one off, and that was a one.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Off, but that's where that was for American Express, right,
But that's kind of where it But that's where I
learned what I wanted to do, right, because we did
something I didn't want to do. And and that's really
that's a very good way to learn. You learn just
as much from.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
What doesn't feel it doesn't work. Love Thomas Keller, right,
I couldn't love.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
More and one of the greatest guys in the world.
But the way we were doing this one off for
American Express member thing, which the whole thing, I don't know.
It just wasn't a good fit. And they wanted all
fancy restaurants and I knew that's not me and I
just felt this isn't right.
Speaker 7 (44:01):
But I would love to do a food at.
Speaker 14 (44:04):
Trouvel and he actually she was able to cut like
a teaser.
Speaker 7 (44:06):
Yes, that was really good, you know what I mean.
Speaker 14 (44:09):
So we used that, as you know, as the selling
point when.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yes, we went in for we went to uh PBS
and I don't think you were in that meeting. I
was because we brought Pitka in that meeting to w
gbh Uh, yeah, you were in that meeting.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Oh, because I always tell the story that you leave
Richard out, I leave him out of my whole. No, yeah,
I always It's funny how in your brain of course
you were in that meeting.
Speaker 8 (44:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
But the way it's now legend in my head is.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I called you.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
You were the first person I called, and I told
you that PBS offered me the show, and you said,
what do you mean They're going to let you do
this show six on the air? Go wherever you want
in the world. Yeah, So then I called them to
tell them we got picked up, and then of course
I wanted him to produce the show with me.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
And it's come across in your tribute to them and
all that. But like you, I know you didn't try
to always make them happy, but you made them. You
both made them really happy.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Their favorite thing in life. Oh. You said this many
many times is that we work together, and not only
that we weren't not only that we weren't fighting anymore
as little kids, but that we would grow up to
work together and be very, very happy.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
The only thing that would have made your mother happier
is if you both became women.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
And worked together exactly, right.
Speaker 7 (45:33):
Richard or two daughters working together?
Speaker 8 (45:35):
Richard?
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Would you like to announce?
Speaker 1 (45:41):
So Richard from your point of view, because I think
like after the show is now and it's you know,
seventh season and all that.
Speaker 9 (45:47):
Ye, would I like a new host?
Speaker 7 (45:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Recasting David?
Speaker 12 (45:54):
Are you.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
If anyone writes in and say Richard should, I'm gonna
kill you because I can't anymore spin off? My parents
started that, by the way, Where's Richard? When I was Yeah,
when I was zooming on the very first show that
we filmed. I think it was the Tokyo episode or
the Barcelona I'm zooming with my parents and I'm talking
(46:20):
to them, and in the middle of a sentence that
I'm saying, my parents, go, where's Richard? And now people
say that to me at every live show. Where's Richard?
Speaker 10 (46:32):
Now?
Speaker 1 (46:32):
This is a little bit like the issue with William
Hurt and broadcast news. But how much how real is
what we your parents to me? Knowing them, I sense
it's one hundred. They weren't like faking technical problems. They
weren't faking Oh my god, we wish it was faking.
(46:53):
You have to tell the story.
Speaker 9 (46:54):
So we're in It was in uh Italy, in Italy.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
You have to tell that because it was insane.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
We had to cut out some of the reel because
it was too much. They got into a full blown
fight with each other. Yes I'm talking, says my father,
because my mother cut him angry or something really angry,
really angry. And then they start screaming at each other
as if we're not filming a TV show, and the
(47:21):
whole crew is watched, and the whole crew is watching,
and I'm dying of embarrassment. Richard, I think, you know,
tried to kill himself. But it was just absolutely mortifying.
And then I had to god, as I had in
the past sometimes act as their therapist and get them
back together so we could finish the show right exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yes, it wasn't about It wasn't about them. It was
about the show.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
But I mean they had this uncanny natural ability to
completely forget that they're being filmed. I don't know how
it happened in Exporting Raymond the first time, right, they
just come completely for Like I don't understand because you
had the you literally had the cameras there in their
when we never had camera I mean, yeah, we're just
(48:08):
doing this apartment with Daniel Blue.
Speaker 14 (48:09):
We did yes the one time, but I mean the
rest of the time, they're just they're at home, we're
somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
They're just on zoom right.
Speaker 14 (48:16):
Right, I'm calling that, you know, right, I'm calling them
setting it up, and they're just they just think they're
talking to They just think they're talking to Philip.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
They don't see all the cameras, they don't see that.
I have to sometimes remind them, you know, when my
mom ducks under the computer to pick up something that
she dropped us, when she stays down there too long
because she figures you'll clean the whole area now, I said,
you know, we're filming right now.
Speaker 14 (48:41):
Or she'll take a phone call a few times, right,
and we.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Keep that that, we keep it. I don't know how
much you get notes from Netflix or have over the
course of the show. But now, because a network note
typically wouldn't be can we have some older Jews on
this ship?
Speaker 5 (48:57):
What?
Speaker 2 (48:57):
What?
Speaker 1 (48:57):
What was the inaction to them being so prominent? And
because I think it's a huge it's one of the
most relatable things.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
And one of the I think it's like the heart
of the show in a certain way. It's a great question, yeah,
because this is not the demo that they go for, right.
But even on Raymond, there was some kind of survey
because they're trying to get young people, and you know,
the data came back the young people's favorite characters on
(49:26):
Everybody Loves Raymond were the grandma and grandpa.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
So it's all blogey.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
It's all a fallacy that young people only want to
see young people. Young people want to see funny, they
want to see what works, and Max and Helen really
work and they are undeniable and it doesn't matter how.
Speaker 7 (49:47):
Old you are.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
We all relate to them because we all either are
parents or have had parents, right, And so it's just
they were always at richer to say always.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
Naked Lunch is a podcast by Phil Rosenthal and David Wilde.
Theme song and music by Brad Paisley, Produced by Will
Sterling and Ryan Tillotson, with video editing by Daniel Ferrara
and motion graphics by Ali Ahmed. Executive produced by Phil Rosenthal,
David Wilde, and our consulting journalist is Pamela Chella. Thanks
for listening to Naked Lunch, A Lucky Bastard's production.
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