"Uncool" Friendsgiving with Jimmy Jam, Brad Paisley, Bill Janovitz & Boo Boos + Cameron Crowe with Kate Hudson Revisited

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, this is David Wilde, and I'm here to say
happy friends giving. A title for this episode suggested by
my son and his wife that is very appropriate. It's
sort of a special our gift, Phil and I another
little gift to you. It's a little bit about music
and gift giving and some gift suggestions and also inspired

(00:25):
in part by we had Cameron Crowe on recently, so
we're at the end of this gonna offer some of
the highlights of that amazing interview where Cameron Crowe, who
has a new book, The Uncool, was our guest, and
Kate Hudson, who was in the the the movie. Everyone
is talking about songs sung blue, you know. So that's

(00:50):
what will be at the end of this, but until
then it will be a sort of gathering of friends
talking about the holidays, music, gifts. Jimmy, I am the
Rock and Roll Hall of Famers should be coming by
Bill Janovitz, the author of the new great book about
the Cars. Let the Stories be told. My friend Mark

(01:11):
Oliver Everett E known to me as simply E, will
be here with Kate Madison, who is his partner in
a new group that I absolutely love. One of my
favorite albums of the year, the Boo Boos. Brad Paisley
may be stopping by, as he often does. He has
a great new Christmas record out called snow Globe Town.

(01:33):
And we're just gonna talk and catch up and not
eat turkey, which we'll say for the other holiday, Thanksgiving.
All right, let's celebrate Friendsgiving.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Let's build the beans to the fat, food for thought,
jokes on tap, talking with our mouthsfull, having fun, peace cake,
humble pie, serving up sass, lovely.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
The dressing all the side.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's naked lunch.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Clothing optional, Jimmy jam Happy Friends Giving. That's our very
special episode. And I'm going to ask you about a
one of my favorite Christmas records now is a new
one by Brad Paisley, snow Globetown. But I wondered you
made you helped make one of mine. But first of all,

(02:33):
do you love Christmas records? And do you have like
a few of the favorites of all time for you?

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, my all time favorite Christmas record is Necking Cole Christmas,
the Christmas song That album played in my house every holiday,
every Christmas, for every year that I remember growing up.
I mean that my whole recollection of a Kid was that,
and so that to me was always the quintessential Christmas

(03:00):
album even to this day.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
The Smoke I'm Sorry, the Stevie Wonder Christmas record is
one I've always absolutely loved, and even like he had one.
There's Someday at Christmas, which is sort of like a
political almost socially conscious Christmas song that was before John
Lennon had his sort of you know, merry Christmas war
is over. What do you think makes a great Christmas

(03:23):
album a great Christmas song?

Speaker 4 (03:27):
I think in some ways it has to feel like
the holiday, so it has to be festive in some way,
even if it is, you know, a political song or
whatever that is. I think a lot of times Christmas
albums need to be almost background music because if you
have family over and you're having discussions and you're having
all of that, it needs to sound where it's not

(03:49):
in the way you know, I guess it makes It's
probably the one time you want music to just kind
of be in the background and then when you hear
that one song that you really love and then maybe
somebody will start singing along with it. Like I remember
the the Jackson five Christmas album.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Was a favorite.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Oh yeah, that was so good and so and I
also think it's cool to hear like you just mentioned
Brad Paisley. It's interesting when you get to hear your
favorite artists who you already are a fan of, and
then all of a sudden they're singing Christmas songs like
they're singing. It makes them very like common and very

(04:22):
i don't know, human, or very like family to you now,
because there's almost like the family and you can sing
along with you know, we've had the chance to do.
We did an Icley Brothers holiday album, we did a
Patti LaBelle holiday album, and probably the most famous one
we did was Alexander O'Neil.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Which eat I think you know is one of my
favorite Christmas records. Before we met, I was listening to
tons of Alexander O'Neill and like the first couple of records,
well hearsay, it's just like one of my favorite records
of all time. But can you talk about making a
Christmas record with him?

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, So Alexander O'Neil Christmas was really kind of a
last minute thing. I remember CBS Records at the time,
which is now Sony. They were looking for some artists
to do, you know, Christmas albums, and we kind of said, oh, well,
we'll do one on Alexander O'Neil.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
Well.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Of course, the deadline for it back then it had
it was like a three month thing. You had to
be done three months before before they could actually release
the record. So this was probably back in August or something.
They wanted to finish it. And I remember we called
Clarence Avant, who ran Taboo Records, which was part of
CBS at the time, and he said, oh no, you
guys missed the deadline, you know, And I said we
did and he said, yeah, yeah, you only got a

(05:35):
week left. And it's like, okay, we can do it
in a week he said, He said you can't, and
I say, And we literally did that album in a week.
Terry and I did the bulk of it. We had
a guy named Lee Blaski do like string arrangements. We
actually did that. King Cole the Christmas song was one
of the ones we did. One of the remakes we
did and then but a bunch of it is new

(05:57):
songs and that was probably the reason we could turn
it around so fast. And not only did we do
the album, but the album cover. We actually shot the
album cover. We literally delivered CBS and taboo this done
thing like here you go, and and one little other
piece of trivia on that album. There's a song on

(06:17):
that album called sleigh Ride, which is not the traditional
sleigh ride song, but that song was actually redone by
Alvin and the Chipmunks.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Is that your only Alvin and the Chipmunks cover? It?

Speaker 6 (06:29):
Is?

Speaker 7 (06:29):
It?

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Is? That's a cool mine. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
They were doing a Christmas album and I remember I
can't remember the gentleman's name who did the voices and
stuff for that, and he called Ross Ross Okay, something
like that, right, And by the way, with the executive
in charge being Lenny Warren Kerr's father, who Cy Warren Kerr,
was the one behind that. And Lenny Warren Kerr, as
of when we're speaking, just got into the Rock and

(06:54):
Roll Hall of Fame alongside Jimmy jam which that's two
of my I don't know if you know Lenny well,
but I love Lenny and I do so it's two
of my great favorite producers.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
I do too.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
They did a wonderful thing on the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame for him too. He didn't come in person,
but he you know, he did a speech on tape,
but they did just a really beautiful video and stuff
and it was it was pretty awesome. But yeah, Lenny
was great. I know, I didn't know his dad was
connected with with Alvin and the Chipmunks, but I just
remember he called and he said, hey, we want to
do sleigh Ride, and we said okay, and we kind

(07:25):
of readd the track a little bit, we put like
little jingle bells and stuff, and then we sent it
to him and they literally did it. And so there's
like a video like if you go on YouTube and
look up Elvin and the Chipmunks sleigh Ride. Literally it's
it's Alexandro O'Neil's song and there's even a wrap in
the middle of it, which is hilarious. I'm definitely good
checking that out. I know that, like you said, like
when your favorite artists do that. Interestingly, on Brad's record,

(07:48):
which I sort of was, you know, with him in
the process, he would just share a lot with me
when he was making it. One of the things that's
amazing he like in the context of a Christmas record.
I think if you're really creative, like YouTube you both are,
you can do just about anything. And one of the
things he works in is a version of my favorite things,
and it's like and now, I think Coltrane did it

(08:09):
pretty well, but Brad Paisley also does it exceedingly well.
And this record, hopefully he.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Might join in. We'll see other people who I just
interestingly this episode, we're going to be talking, I think,
in a little bit with the author Bill Janovitz of
a really great new book about the cars called The
Cars Let the Stories Be Told. And I wondered, you know,

(08:39):
when I think I mentioned that to you in some
other casual conversation, it turns out you are really fascinated
with the cars, and I wonder, what's your sort of
backstory with the cars.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
I don't know that I have a backstory other than
I just loved the way they sounded. And it was
before I knew anything about the group or knew anything thing,
you know, I was a radio kid man.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I just was that.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
I just heard stuff and it just certain songs and
certain groups just kind of transported me to a different place.
And there was a combination that sounds on those records
that I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I just was, so.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
I don't know, different to me I'm alodically cool, all
really cool. I didn't really know anything about them, so
then that was so then I always like then, particularly
now looking back at my life and looking back at
records that have influenced me or that I remember vividly,
I always love now to go back and try to
dig in and try to find more about the creative

(09:39):
process and who was involved and those types of things.
And that's the cool thing now about getting a chance
to do that with Cars and with and I'll tell
you another person who's a really huge cars fanatic is
Jack Antonov, and we've had we've had conversations about the cars,
you know where he's into them. So it's good, it's cool.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, we'll we'll talk to Bill in a few minutes.
I think about this. But the thing that's interesting to
me is Rick had a second after the Cars had
sort of a a run of success, produced as a
producer like with Weezer and other some other, and yet
his records, like the first Cars record, the first few
the first series are with Roy Thomas Baker, who you know,

(10:25):
the guy who did Queen and Brilliant. And then interestingly,
the last giant success the Cars had was with Mutt Lang.
Who again, you guys are now both you and Mutt
are iconic, you know producers.

Speaker 8 (10:42):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
He's one of the more mysterious figures. I've been in
a room with him and never spoken to him. Have
you ever run into Mutt Lang?

Speaker 4 (10:50):
No, I never have. I think we might have briefly met,
maybe at maybe at a rock called dinner or something,
but I think it was just a simple, you know,
oh wow, hey, nice to meet you type of thing,
and he was like, oh, nice to meet you, and
that that was about it. There wasn't really any conversation.
And what I remember about Roy Thomas Baker is back

(11:12):
when we used to when Ry and I first moved
to LA we hadn't set up our own studio yet,
so we basically set up at a studio called The Village,
which is a.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Very my favorite studio, greatest studio on the west side
of LA. Yes. Yeah, so we set up there.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
We actually they gave us the whole They had a
third floor that they were basically using for storage, and
we went up there and Jeff, the guy that runs it,
he said, hey, what are you doing with the space?
He said, I was just storage. He said, can we
put a studio up here.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
He said, yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
So anyway, we put a whole you know, put three
rooms up there, including taking half of his office, which
is kind of funny. He said, we said, what's this
room here? He said, oh, that's my office. He said, well,
I can give you half my office. We said, okay, anyway,
but Roy Thomas Baker had I think it was a
Rolls Royce and he would always have the very first
parking spot at the Ville, like they literally had like

(11:59):
a space. It's like, don't park in this spot. This
is Roy Thomas Baker's spot, you know. So it was
very cool, very very iconic. But yeah, I mean think
about yeah, when you think about the producers that the
Cars worked with or Rick worked with, I mean, that's
pretty that's pretty serious company man, pretty serious.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Oh no, And I will say the Car's first album,
which people always talk about like it was kind of
a greatest hits record, Like if you when you listen
to it in retrospect, there are literally like a bunch
of hits and everything else sounds like a hit. And
that record was so influential on me as just sort

(12:42):
of like defining my taste because I was not a
punky kind of kid. I wasn't that I was a
little rebellious, but I will say the new Wave was
much more my sort of just temperature and yes, between
some Elvis Costello, some Blondie, uh, you know, the clash.

(13:03):
It was like that's where I sort of began to
find my taste. And that cars record you go back
and you just can't believe how perfect it is. And
yet the thing that I think in just a minute
or two will be joined by Bill. Bill Janovitz, the
author of this book, is a musician himself. He had
He's a member of a band called Buffalo Tom that
I always really liked. But I think one of the

(13:26):
great things is my understanding of groups and bands and
dynamics has been very uh you know, being around as
many bands that have being around people like you and
her like you. You gave me a window when when
we were working on the Prince Grammy tribute, you know,
into the world of Prince and those groups and the

(13:46):
groups that grew up in his world. Uh. This book
is kind of a revelation because, like, I think there's
a the facto setting when we talk about bands, uh,
where people like me assume it's like the Beatles in
Hard Day's Night or the Monkeys on their TV show
where it's like a bunch of guys friends who live

(14:09):
in the same place and have wacky adventures. And one
of the interesting things is growing up and realizing it
ain't that simple. Like and the cars are a very
to me kind of extreme case of like, oh yeah,
this is like the music is great, but the experience
was very complicated. And I you know, I guess I'll

(14:32):
save that with for to ask Bill in a second.
But by the.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Way, I was thinking when you mentioned about the author,
the fact that he's a musician, I think is so important.
We just we executive produced a Curtis Mayfield documentary that her,
the artist, her directed, and to me, one of the
things that makes it specialists when a musician is talking
about other musicians, because knowing kind of the intricacies of things,

(15:00):
I just think that that's or something that's very cool
about that, well beyond cool. And by the way her
and Curtis Mayfield, it doesn't get that's an incredibly exciting thing.
And I hope I'll get to see that soon. I
did see you this weekend. My son was back with
his wife visiting and got me. This is at my age.

(15:20):
I need kids to get me back onto certain apps
and streaming services where I get signed out somehow, And
I got back onto the Criterion collection and I saw
Resonator for the first time, which I got, and you
were in it, and you are wonderful. But it is
a special movie. Can you until we get Bill to join,

(15:42):
can you just let's do a plug for this unbelievably
personal kind of music movie. Yeah, so Resonator is really cool.
And actually before the one thing I will show you
because I have sitting on my desk here is I
actually have a VHS copy of Resonator.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I don't know these. Oh my god, I didn't know
that existed.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, well, so what happened was and I think Bill's
coming up. But the girl that directed the movie, Alison
Tablet's about her dad, who invented the first guitar synthesizer.
But it also became her way of learning about her dad.
And so it's a pretty cool movie. If you're a
synth nerd, it's a great movie for you. If it's

(16:25):
a family story kind of reunification or discovery, it's a
great movie for you. And somehow it's literally the tech
and the humanity just kind of blend together beautifully. And
we just did a screening of it at the Grammy
Museum that I hosted a week ago.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
So by everyone before first you have to go by
the cars. Let the stories be told by Bill Janovitz.
That's the most important thing. But that's right, Jimmy and
I also encourage you all. However you can see Resonator.
It will resonate. Even I am not into sins in
an expert and a genius producer like Jimmy or a
great music and author like Bill, but I say, see

(17:02):
you Resonator. Okay, we now have Bill has joined us.
We've been talking about you and your book, and you're
how great it is to have a really gifted musician
who is now writing music books that and this one.
Jimmy and I are both cars fanatics, are cars fans,
and I will say I've rarely read a book about

(17:25):
a band and learned more because is it fair to
say Bill that their story has not been really told
in any depth.

Speaker 9 (17:34):
Well, first of all, let me say it's a great
honor to be on with both of you, fellows. Thanks
so much for having me and to use the word
musician when I'm all with Jimmy, Jimmy, thank you. I
was just talking talking to my wife before she left
about how much we love rhythmation and all that health.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
So anyway, thank you.

Speaker 10 (17:54):
Let me let me get the fanboys stuff out of
the way.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
That's very nice.

Speaker 9 (17:58):
But being a fan boy sort of my perspective, I think,
but also being a balanced fanboy with the Cars, I mean,
I want to I put myself in the perspective of
a fanboy that wants to hear the whole thing as
a reader, like like I really want, you know, the
bad with the good inasmuch as the bad contributed to

(18:20):
the story.

Speaker 8 (18:21):
Right.

Speaker 9 (18:21):
So, but yeah, the Cars, I feel like everybody sort
of takes them for granted. I mean, they're still played
unlike a lot of other eighties bands. You you know,
you hear the Cars still play it on whatever classic
tunes radio from not not just like the ballads like Drive,
but you know, the classic rock stuff of their first

(18:41):
couple of records. But I don't think anybody, I'm sorry,
I don't think they get at the same level of
appreciation and study as you know, let's say, Bruce Springsteen
or whatever else, deservedly so for Springsteen. But I'm saying that,
you know, you've got this great band, a real classic band,
same five members from start to finish, and not just

(19:02):
ric Ocassic and some guys.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Well, that's one thing that's interesting is you know, getting
to know Jimmy because we worked together on the Grammys
and we're in Grammy season, so that's exciting.

Speaker 11 (19:13):
Thing.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
One of the things I've really learned a lot from
was when we did a Prince Grammy tribute, and I
sort of saw the dynamics that resulted from Prince's genius,
but also his sort of being a tough boss and
a demanding one, and the psychological impact of all that,
and maybe a little irregular in his love for the

(19:34):
people he worked with. The thing that I realized from
your book was I have actually I spoke to Rick
a few times. Interestingly for the book. The book, the
heart of the sort of the sort of beginning origin
story of the Cars goes back really to two members,
to Rick and Ben Orr. And the interesting thing about
that is I spoke to Rick. One of the only

(19:56):
times in length at length was when Ben died for
Rolling Stone. I think we spoke and I felt a
very sincere emotional impact of losing Ben. But what I
never understood was I talked to other members of the Cars,
and it seems like, and this is something again I

(20:16):
learned from Jimmy, is like, if there's a complicated relationship
in the beginning, it tends to stay or get more complicated,
you know, with how people's feelings are. And I just
wonder from your perspective, it seems like Rick was always
known as the genius of the band, but my impression
from reading the book is that he held on so
tightly to control or management helped encourage that control that

(20:40):
in a weird way, I feel the legacy of the
Cars is diminished by the fact that I wish he
could have been more sharing of the credit and open
as a band, because everyone was a key, essential part
of that group.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (20:54):
Absolutely, and David that piece, I remember that piece.

Speaker 9 (20:58):
That was a very important piece in research for the book,
because he was uncharacteristically open. I mean, Rick was kind
of a secretive well not kind of. He was a
secretive guy, and he doled out information on sort of
as a need to know basis, even within the band,
for example, you know, only so he and like you said, Ben,
He and Ben were almost like this brotherly type of

(21:19):
partnership that came out and went through all these different
iterations from psychedelia it's a sort of Laurel Canyon Vibe
type stuff to Steely Danny's stuff, kind of chasing the
zeitgeist and all along Rick is sort of finding his
voice as a songwriter and it was kind of like
Patti Smith people like that. That really sort of gave
him like this galvanizing sort of moment. And then it

(21:40):
was putting these members together and it all came to
that together collesced with the cars, the songwriting, the partnership,
but getting better the secretive nature of him, you know,
like once the cars were going. I think it was
Greg Hawks who said it was like around their second
album when when he learned that that Rick had left

(22:01):
a family behind you no ido, you know, with two
sons and a wife, And that's kind of how secretive
he was.

Speaker 10 (22:08):
But he was, like you said he was, he was.

Speaker 9 (22:10):
Uncharacteristically open about it about his feelings about the end
there with Ben dying because he it's it really is
this brotherly thinking you think of a strange brothers and
not talking to each other for five to ten years
and then one of them dies and it's like you
realize things.

Speaker 10 (22:28):
It's too late. It's like you can't you can't make up.

Speaker 9 (22:31):
For all that whatever that rank or that that emotional
stuff that you let go that you didn't that you
didn't tend to And and I'm sure Jimmy can kind
of speak to this as well. People compare, you know,
being in these sort of musical collaborations or partnerships of
being in a marriage, and it's not it's it's the
closest thing I can come up with. It's like being
in a sibling relationship with your with your brothers, but

(22:53):
then but then having to collaborate.

Speaker 10 (22:55):
On art with them, which is which is crazy.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Yeah, Terry, Terry always says, you know, I love you,
but I don't always like you.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
And I think that's I think that's it.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
By the way, by the way, the Car's first album
actually came out on my birthday, came out in June sixth,
the first album, the debut album.

Speaker 10 (23:14):
So you're three three three days different than me. I'm
June third.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Okay, Gemini, we have a good side and a better side, and.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
In what you both do you know because Jimmy as
a producer, having been in like the time early on
and being in you know, groups, you know, even before that,
going back to school and Bill and what you do
being you know, having a really wonderful group Buffalo Tom,
I I kind of have the impression we don't know
each other. I'm a fan of what you do. By

(23:45):
the way, you're Leon Russell best selling Leon Russell Biography
is another great gift giving idea, you know, along with
this book. But for both of you is having been
in a band, and you know, I feel like your
maybe band was two functional for you to even you
had to be surprised by some of the dysfunction of
the cars. But is that do you think it's it's

(24:06):
helpful to you being having experienced so much you know,
of the band life to be able to write about it.

Speaker 10 (24:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (24:13):
Yeah, I mean obviously our band was very very, very
much and I speak in past tense, so we're still around.
But it's like it's such a small time thing compared
to whatever else we're talking about here.

Speaker 10 (24:23):
We were very at club band, theater band, whatever. But
I think any band that sticks.

Speaker 9 (24:30):
Around and makes you know, let's say four or five
albums plus and you stay away from staying around for
five ten years. A lot of there's a lot of
common ground no matter no matter what level you are,
if you're flying first class or if you're in a
van going from town to town, the dynamics are sort
of like it's kind of what Jimmy was talking about,
Like they get set pretty early, and if it's bad

(24:51):
at the beginning, it's going to it's gonna be bad
at the end. It's the best you can do, is
sort of like not speak to each other or something, right,
But our band, I think, you know, I you know,
there's a parallel with this Car's book with I think
with Mike Campbell's book about being in the Heartbreakers, which
a lot of the common denominator there is Elliott Roberts
as manager, who you know, could really only deal with

(25:12):
one person at a time. And anybody that's been in
a band will tell you that even being the member
of a band, it's easy to deal with one person
at a time. You know, when you got all these
different voices and democracies and says and votes, it's it
gets very cloudy. So I understand that instinct. However, you know,
let's take let's take some big bands that that did

(25:33):
it differently. You two are em. You know, these are
bands that formed organically. It wasn't like sort of a
bunch of journeymen saying I'm going to put in these
different parts and try to come up with a great
like thing, like like you know, to some extent the Heartbreakers,
but certainly with the Cars.

Speaker 10 (25:49):
So it's it's kind of different. Every band is a
little different.

Speaker 9 (25:52):
More bands do it like the Cars and Petty, which
is like, you know, this guy wrote the songs, and
therefore he's taking all the credit and therefore all the
publishing revenue, and the gulf of inequity keeps growing and
growing and resentments blister, and you know, it's just a
story of being in a band.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well, by the way, because we're talking about being in
a band, we have a our friends giving is having crossovers,
so I'm going to bring I'm not going to ignore that.
So i'd like to you know, I don't know if
you even know each other, Bill Janovitz, do you happen
to know Mark Oliver Everett of the of Eels and
now along with Kate Madison of the of Boo Boos,

(26:29):
which is my favorite new album of the year. So
I don't know if you know each other, Jimmy jam everyone.
This is friends giving, So now let's all say hello.

Speaker 8 (26:38):
Hello.

Speaker 9 (26:39):
I'm very aware of Marque is that we've never met
in person as far as I can recall, but a fan.

Speaker 8 (26:44):
Oh thanks, it's nice to meet you.

Speaker 12 (26:46):
And I have lots of Elliott Roberts stories forever.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Well, it's interesting you say that, because I will say
that was something I've been around. I did a project
where I had to interview Neil Young and deal with
Elliott and and I also was, you know, friendly with
Jeff Kramer, who was managing you know, a Rick Okay Sick.
And it's very interesting because I do see. I think

(27:11):
artists understand, like I knew e when he started out
with a guy named Carter, who was just a great character,
you know. And I've dealt with Elliott, who was he
was like an artist in his own right that needed
to be managed by himself. He was such a crazy character,
but he did you actually, and Kate, I'm sorry, just
did what was your Elliott Roberts experience?

Speaker 12 (27:33):
Well, he was my manager for a few years. I
went from Carter to Elliott from one character to another.
I mean, I had all sorts of classic Elliott experiences.
And you know, Carter, when there was a changing of
the guard, Carter and Elliott met at a meeting, and

(27:55):
afterwards Carter and I managed to remain friends even though
I fired him. And afterwards I asked Carter how the
meeting with Elliott went, and he said, well, only one
of us stopped the meeting to take a call from
Neil Young.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Well, I will tell you that when I one of
my times with Elliott was he asked me VH one
was going to do a documentary on Crosby, Stills, Nash
and Young. And he then said he wouldn't. Neil wouldn't
do it unless there was also a separate documentary on
Neil Young. And I said, well, then I need a total.
Instead of the three hours we had booked with Neil Young,
I need four hours with Neil Young, and you know,

(28:30):
two hours with the other guys. I got to San
Francisco for this and he said, we're all set, and
right before we started, he goes, you have forty five
minutes with Neil, and Neil almost walked out after the
first question. So it was always always fascinating. Jimmy. Now
that we're at in our full friends giving, let me
tell you about and Bill if you don't mind, I
want to tell you a little bit about Boo Boos,

(28:51):
which is such a great record. I'm an original, I
go back. I think I'm one of the original la
fans of e of uh and I was around when
he was starting the Eels. But I will say that
my favorite, one of my favorite things you've ever done
is thanks to Kate, who you have somehow I don't,

(29:12):
and you can tell us musically how this collaboration even began.
But one of the things I've always been obsessed with
is there are not enough women in major groups. And
then when people talk about Fleetwood Mac, I think one
of the under under assigned sort of reasons they're so
important is it's one of the only groups that's ever
had like a largely dominantly two female writers and one male.

(29:35):
But I wonder, uh, you know, how did how did
you two start.

Speaker 13 (29:41):
It's start?

Speaker 6 (29:43):
Thank you for saying that too, there aren't enough women's.

Speaker 14 (29:46):
It's great to hear there's.

Speaker 8 (29:48):
Not even enough women on this zoom call.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
That's right, exactly, that's right. There are not enough women
in my marriage. I feel yes, I.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
Think you know the the dynamic. I mean, I've been
a fan of ease music for a long time, but
the dynamics started. We started talking when he put one
of my songs on a playlist for what was that for.

Speaker 12 (30:13):
A guy who does these playlists, but it's some French
word I can't pronounce.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
Right, that was that was the thing. I was like,
why do we Yeah? So then I wrote him and
said thank you so much. I've met fan Can seventy
nine point five, which is my project open up for
you on tour. I just shot my shot and he
already had someone linked up to play to open for

(30:40):
him when he went back on the road.

Speaker 12 (30:43):
Was like, fine, would you would you settle for making
an album?

Speaker 6 (30:47):
Yeah, That's basically how it started. But then I went
to each show at was Webster Hall, I think it
was Webster Hall, and they were so great and we
met and then that it began from there.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
And by the way, it's interesting just to bring it
all together, like the one of the one of my
favorite tracks and I have many, but one track that
I suggest people check out right away is come On
Baby from Boo Boos and Interestingly, it reminds me, almost
in a very powerful way, of one of my favorite

(31:19):
records of all time, recently issued officially for the first
time in Forever, Buckingham Nicks. And I think of Jimmy
jam and Lindsay being two of the Lindsay Buckingham being
two of the most genius record makers I've ever met,
And I wondered, was that one of the sort of
because the record has sort of a and it's like

(31:41):
fantastic because EA's voice in the thirty years we've been
friends has evolved. He gets gruffer as he gets older
and greater, and even grittier and greater. But it's in
fact the blending with your beautiful voice, Kate or Katie Boo.
I believe in the contents of the boom the brows.
I shall yes, and who are you? You're Bronco Go

(32:02):
Bronco Boo. This is like the Willbury's. But I guess
uh for for uh yeah, I just I think it's
fantastic that, in a weird way, the influence of Boo Boos.
Is it fair to say there's a seventies influence because
Bill having written a book on the cars, It's like
there's uh. I think Phil and I on our podcast

(32:23):
are always going back to our favorite art in film
and music being from the seventies. Is there is there
a strong seventies element?

Speaker 6 (32:32):
I would say so definitely, just because I play the roads.
I'm a roads player. I mean, I'm a pianist, but
but on most of my projects, I always play the roads.
So I just always have these kind of chords in
my head, and you know, so it's always I've always
been a fan of the major and minor seventh chords

(32:53):
and you know, getting in the groove in that way.
And that's when I wrote A Common Baby. It was
I just I knew right away, like just the course
had to go right away, had to smash, and it
just it worked out great. So yeah, I would say
for sure there's definitely a seventies eleven in the writing.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
And Jimmy as a dominant producer of the starting in
the eighties, does the seventies loom large for everyone? You think, Oh,
the seventies was everything for me? I mean, I you know,
I met Terry in seventy three, so fifty years, fifty
plus years ago, and we had different tastes or we

(33:31):
were exposed to different music. I was totally a pop kid.
I was you know, as you know, I was America
Seals and cross Bread. You know, that was you know, Chicago.
That was like my my sweet spot. And Terry was
you know, Parliament, Funkadelic and Cool of the Gang, and
you know it was we were. And when we got together,
I remember the first time I was going to go

(33:52):
by the new Chicago record. He's to Chicago. What about
the new earth Wind and Fire? Recogn I said, earth
win in Fire. I'd never heard of earth Wind in Fire.
So we both turned each each other onto the music
of the seventies and that was our major influence. And
so and you know when I hear major, when you
talk about major chords and minor chords, I mean major
seventh chords are like my Nirvana. So it's like anything

(34:14):
that had those in it. That's what I loved.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
And initially we clashed because Terry wanted to do everything
funk and I wanted to do everything pretty. And when
we finally figured out that it was sort of the
combination that we call the funky bottom and the pretty top.
That's the kind of a thing. But the seventies, yeah,
total total influence. Absolutely, And it's interesting, Bill the thing

(34:50):
that we were talking about rick O Kasik and ben Or, Like,
one of the things your book got me thinking about
was and again having talked so much with Jimmy about
music over the years and even with Prince, and how
you can hold too tightly to certain artists and not
give up enough control. Like the one thing in the
Cars that strikes me is like a lot of people

(35:14):
still until they read this book won't realize that half
the like ben Orr was singing a lot of the
big hits, and you know, and rick Okaesik saanging, and
some people think they're the same voice, and one is
I will say ben Or is one of the great
un heralded vocalists of all time. And I think you
compare him. I've heard you compare him to like he
recorded like Sinatra, like one or two takes. But like,

(35:36):
one of the things that made me realize was even
in the band, I think the Car's legacy might have
been longer and gone further if like, rather than I
find observing groups a lot of times it's better if
you let in other voices. And like, in a weird way,
it's like I don't know, and I don't know if
Rick was it was mainly the writing he was only

(35:57):
controlling about. But I just feel like it's something that
even like with E. I am a massive e fan,
but I love this record in a way I haven't
always loved every Eels record because there's another voice that
sort of brings in another kind of light. So I
get to hear E in a different context. But I wonder, yes, Bill,

(36:19):
for you like that dynamic was how when I spoke
to Rick Okasak, he just was full of love for
Ben when he died. But was there just a tension
where he didn't want to give control or that Ben
was not It may have been. I get some sense
in your book that Ben just didn't have the.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Drive or the drive ironically drive, Yes, what an irony.

Speaker 9 (36:41):
He didn't have the drive and the ambition, and he
didn't really have much talent as far as we could
tell early on. I'm talking about in terms for writing,
or he didn't really need he didn't really feel the
same need to control. You know that Rick had Rick
had control issues period, but you know it, not many people,

(37:02):
even cars fans, knew that Rick wrote all of the songs,
like all of the songs on the Cars records are
either Rick and like the ninety nine percent of them,
and maybe they're very small percentage were co writes with
Greg Hawks and I think those even those co writes.

Speaker 10 (37:16):
Were sort of dolled out but grudgingly.

Speaker 9 (37:18):
But getting back to the voice thing, I mean, Ben
very early on really established half of their half of
their their sound. I'm singing voice wise, he sang half.
What I'm trying to say is he sang half the
songs on the first record virtually and pretty much on
the second.

Speaker 10 (37:35):
They start to diminish.

Speaker 9 (37:36):
A little bit as the records go, but Rick still
realized how much how much he needed Ben for singing
certain kinds of songs. And you you know, Drive being
one of the most notable ones probably you know, one
of the greatest ballads of all time, never mind the
ballad of the eighties, you know, and it's something where
the production really suited the song. Everything just but they're

(38:00):
Ben just singing like like I don't want to say
he sounds like Sinantra, but he had that sort of
effortless like.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
It was a it was a Kroner's voice in a way. Yes, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 (38:11):
And he but he had such control and such range,
but people couldn't necessarily discern the two voices early on.
And I think that comes back to like the melodic
range of the songwriter, right. So so Rick is writing
in his own head, in his own melody and the
things that he can possibly sing. But even when he
knows Ben can sing it better, he's not singing in

(38:31):
a key that might be better suited for Ben. But
it's like, you know, it's like the Beatles. I think
when we're kids, like, wait a minute, there's more than
one guy singing, you know who's singing this one?

Speaker 10 (38:41):
And then you then you can't not hear it.

Speaker 9 (38:42):
Then you're like, how did I not know that that's
George singing and not Paul or something like that?

Speaker 10 (38:47):
You know?

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Well, he and Kate. Shall I call you Kate or Katie?
I'm sorry, don't want to Kate like I guess. Well,
First of all, are you cars fans? Either one of you?
I think we might have talked about the cars years ago,
But were you a cars fan?

Speaker 12 (39:01):
I'm more of a I'm more of a Bill Janovitz
fan than a cars fan. On That's Cool You're Leon
Russell's book I think is one of the greatest biographies ever.

Speaker 10 (39:13):
Oh, thank you.

Speaker 8 (39:13):
Leon Russell is huge deal to me. After I read
your book, I do this kind of thing a lot
I got.

Speaker 12 (39:19):
I was so immersed in the story, and I, you know,
living in LA you get to do stuff like you know, I.

Speaker 8 (39:26):
Looked up his address and stood out in front of
his house. And that's what a big deal it was
and how effective your book was. And also.

Speaker 12 (39:35):
I'd like to address mister jam for a moment, Kate
seemly excited.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
Be here in your very very excited, huge influence on.

Speaker 15 (39:46):
Me, mister Jam.

Speaker 8 (39:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 10 (39:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (39:51):
And to answer your question, yes, I'm a very big
cars fan. In fact, he and I favorite radio program
which airs here in New York City every morning from
six to nine am. The Cars are the artist of
the week on Waken Bake This Boat. And that was
really exciting. Yeah. Spoiler yeah, spoiler yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Jimmy, I don't know if you like Leon Russell, but
I will tell you my weird little Leon Russell experience.
First of all, I remember when I moved here, around
the time I got to know E, I was hanging
around with Tom Petty quite a bit, and he would
tell me the greatest Leon Russell stories because you know
he worked for Leon and Leon. You know, Leon sort
of was an early you know, he just told me stories.

(40:38):
I think my favorite one was about how Leon taught
him how to rip off whatever was in the top
ten by just reversing the song, you know, playing it
backwards and getting saws. But I interviewed Leon once in
Nashville or Henderson, I think it was where he was living,
and it was one of the most intimidating interviews. I
think Van Morrison and Leon were two people who I

(41:00):
remember going, this is like interviewing a lion about like
a lion, would you roar for me? You know, what
makes you a lion? It was just so it was
in the late it was anything can happen Virgin Records Leon,
which was a very strange and interesting time. Wow, we
have so many connections, But the one connection I've noticed

(41:23):
is everyone loves Jimmy jam It's like it's like, uh no, no, yeah.
When I By the way, we're pulling this episode together,
it's going to be we're all in essence a little
bit of an opening act. At the end of this episode,
we're tossing to highlights from our recent episode with Cameron
Crowe on again. Two of the books I recommend everyone get. Uh.

(41:47):
This is let the Stories be told, The cars Hill,
Bill's Book and then the new memoir by Cameron Crowe,
The Uncool, And I think, E are you reading it?
I know it, and what are you thinking?

Speaker 16 (42:02):
It's great?

Speaker 8 (42:02):
It's no, you know, it's no Bill Janovitch Russell biography.
It's good.

Speaker 9 (42:07):
I just picked it up myself. I haven't I haven't
corracked yet, but it just got it the other day.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Well. The amazing thing is when you hear the episode
of the you know the part we're going to put
some highlights in at the end of this, uh to
promote The Uncool. But I was shocked that Cameron didn't say, hey,
wait till my book comes out, because we did this,
you know, like five six months ago, and he tells
us some of these amazing stories that are in here.
And but I guess for all of us, I know

(42:33):
you're a big music book fan, are there for each
of you? Is there a book you read that made
you fall in love with reading about art and music
and you know, do you have Bill? Was there a
book that inspired you early on to even end up
having this second life.

Speaker 9 (42:50):
Well, I mean, you know, I grew up as a
as a Stone's and Beatles kid, and back then, you know,
those books were few and far between, right, Like that
kind of scholarship idea didn't really start to really hit
and to you know, writers like you and and and
Peter Garalink and and and and and people when when
when music journalism became like taken for granted in the
seventies and eighties. But I mean, you know, I like

(43:12):
everybody from like the Peter Garolic really good study. Like
I mean, I remember reading Sweet Soul Music and this
is before uh you know, streaming or whatever, you know,
and going down to the record store and going I
need this Don Gove record.

Speaker 10 (43:24):
I need this record. I need to you know.

Speaker 9 (43:26):
I like, now you can just kind of pause the
book and listen to three or four songs. And it
takes a while for me to get through music books
for musicians especially and fans that want to hear what
you're talking about. But yeah, I mean, but then I
love things like Nick Tasha's which kind of takes almost
a kind of a more of a narrative, like the
Dean Martin book and the Jerry Lee Lewis book.

Speaker 10 (43:47):
They're almost like novels, you know.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
So the Dean Martin book, the Dean Martin book is
great and crazy and I should note and I don't know, Jimmy,
maybe I'll give this to you as a during the Grammys.
I'll get you a But he wrote an amazing book
about really his life. And you know, can you just
tell you about what did you learn? You did not

(44:09):
ask for my to read it or help in any way,
but can you say what you what you gathered from
right becoming a great author yourselfie?

Speaker 16 (44:17):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Sorry, Bill, I forgot that.

Speaker 12 (44:25):
Technically, the only time I remember I'm an author is
when I'm going through passport control and I don't want to.

Speaker 8 (44:32):
Write musicians searched, so I'll put author. You know. That's
the only time I get that pretentious. I mean, I have.

Speaker 12 (44:41):
Such respect for authors because it's a lot harder than
making music. If you ask me, it's, you know, like
mister jam no I was making music, is you got
all sorts of elements going on, and you can always
cover up something you know, or you.

Speaker 8 (44:57):
Know, you can always fix stuff.

Speaker 12 (44:58):
But with a book, it's a pencil and a piece
of paper, and it's really exacting and lonely, and it's
nowhere near as much fun as writing music.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
This episode exists in part because I have a book
project i'm trying to wrap up. I'm sort of at
the late stages, and I'm delaying it by doing this
podcast another few hours because it's more fun to talk
to people.

Speaker 16 (45:23):
Kate.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Is there a music book that was influential in your life?

Speaker 14 (45:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (45:28):
I would.

Speaker 6 (45:28):
I would say now Rogers the Freak. I read that
probably about ten years ago, and it was really it
was great, you know, and I live in New York,
so it was it's you know, I love a New
York story.

Speaker 12 (45:39):
He was was that was edited by my same editor, right?

Speaker 8 (45:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
He was my first interview ever for the Cornell Daily Sun.
Like I'm sorry. My first interview was when I was
a kid. George Benson got a hit song and moved
down the block from me, and I knocked on his
door when I was in In my middle school paper,
I interviewed George Benson and watched him rehearse The Greatest
Love of All with Michael mass Or, the songwriter. That's

(46:07):
a good first interview, But my first one at my
college paper was with Nile Rodgers, who said, is this
Oscar Wilde? And I thought that was the coolest question.
I'm sorry, Bill, you had your hand up.

Speaker 9 (46:19):
And to tie it together. George Benson's first gigantic hit
was a song.

Speaker 17 (46:23):
By Leon Russell's This Masquerade bought him a house in Tenify,
New Jersey, which allowed me to knock on his door.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
That's amazing. And Jimmy, was there a music book that
made you open up? Open you up to the world
of music growing up or later? Is there one that's
influential that you've loved over the years.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Well, I can tell you one that I've loved over
the last year. Please, and that's and that's my dad's book.

Speaker 16 (46:54):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Please tell tell them about it because they might not
know this amazing.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Story, so try to make it short. My dad I
was my first professional gig, was drummer in my dad's band.
And my dad is named Cornbread Harris, and he left
he wanted to pursue music and he couldn't because he
was living a married life and raising me. And he

(47:18):
basically one day just went to work and never came back.
I then subsequently dropped out of school to pursue music
with the idea in my mind that I'm never going
to get married, I'm never going to have kids, because
I never want to have anything that takes me away
from music. We were estranged for almost fifty years, and
we came back together probably in the last three years,

(47:38):
right around COVID, right toward the end of COVID, because
his author, Andrea Swinson, who's very plugged into the Twin
Cities scene and was very plugged in with Prince and
a whole lot of people, started writing his story and
ask would I jump on a zoom as she's writing
this book about my dad, And we ended up doing

(47:59):
a weekly zoom every Tuesday for I don't know, fifty
seven weeks or something craziness like that, and we still
do it. But the story is really interesting because I
learned a lot about my dad that I never knew because,
as you know, he's not going to tell me the
stories about his growing up and you know, all of

(48:22):
the things that you know, I guess people want to
kind of bury, and so now he's bringing all those out.
So the book is really interesting. I'm biased, obviously because
it's about my dad and I learned a lot, but
also it's also cool because we just did the audiobook
version of it, which just came out, and so you
hear the conversations that we have on the zoom together

(48:43):
and it's it's pretty cool. So it's called Deeper Blues
is what the book is called. So you can you
can either get the you know, the audio book or
the regular book.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Phil Rosenthal is joining us from his car. Now this
is the latest, the latest we've ever had. Phil. I
want you to you know, e. You don't know Kate,
you know Jimmy.

Speaker 14 (49:18):
And you guys you do and you do.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Not know Bill Bill Janovitz, whose book about the cars
I just love. But I can't believe we have Phil here.

Speaker 14 (49:27):
David, I've now caught you red handed.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Uh, well, you're you're going to be well represented this
episode because in a minute we're tossing to our Cameron
Crowe interview. So fortunately, oh nice, I already had found
a way to conspire in studio engineering, like producing it
like a Jimmy Jam production with Terry Lewis. I was
already going to steal you into this album.

Speaker 7 (49:51):
Well, I'm so happy to see my old friends and
my new friends.

Speaker 14 (49:56):
Hello, Billy, I'm on my way to tape the Sherry
Shepherd Show here, so I only have a little time.
I don't know what my life is. I feel like
Jimmy jam.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I love that Hey tell Sherry Hi, by the way,
I will she's great good because by the way, Bill
and And has a You're not the only one with
a new book. Phil has a new cookbook that he's
probably talking about with Sherry right.

Speaker 7 (50:25):
Yes, it's called Phil's Favorites and it's the latest four
seasons of our show The Great Chefs, who contributed recipes
plus friends and family.

Speaker 14 (50:33):
David, do you have a recipe in there? I forget.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I have no recipe. My recipe is go to Phil's
and get a free lunch. That is my But my
my other recipe is everyone should buy the new Cars
book by Bill Let the stories be told. Everyone should
buy Boo Boo's new album Young Love, which is it's

(50:56):
it's it's one of my favorite things he's ever done.

Speaker 10 (50:58):
It.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Kate, Kate, I've just sort of threw this record, gone
back and discovered some of your work with your with
your own project seventy nine point five love it. But
I will say this record is just really really special,
and it even has moments that will if I will
say is Bill can confirm he is an incredibly enduringly great,

(51:19):
cool artist. But that being said, he's one of the
things that makes him even greater is that like this record,
and maybe it's Kate's influence, is open enough to have
like Donnie and Marie in addition to buckingham Nicks. There's
a little bit of a Donnie and Marie feel on
this record. So I'm going to recommend it not only
to Jimmy jam but I'm going to call up our
regular guest Donnie Osmon and make sure he listens to

(51:42):
Booboos by the.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
Way, and you know in one of our songs that
this is so present to me because I heard it
the other day. So we got honored by Fiske University.
Terry and I did last week in Nashville, and they
had the Fisk Jubilee Sayers.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
They're a legendary group singers.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Yeah, yeah, they so the new version of them is
their one hundred and fifty years. They've celebrating their one
hundred and fifty year anniversary. Anyway, they came out, but
they did a performance and one of the songs they
did was a song that we that we did. It
may be obscure to a lot of folks, but it
was a number one R and B record by Chante
Moore and the song was called Chante's Got a Man
at Home. The middle the bridge of that song goes

(52:24):
into one bad Apple. Oh, and that's one of Donnie's
favorite things. We went to this bridge of the song
and all of a sudden, we just go but very gospely.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Wa bad apple, don't And she's singing right and he
heard it and he was like, oh my god, you
know it was It was great.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
So anyway, it's got to be the best lift of
another song to use for a bridge of a note.

Speaker 7 (52:47):
Jim Me, I just want to say that I object
to this appropriation.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
That's the only example of cultural appropriation we've ever heard
about nerve. And by the way, Jimmy not only has
some nerve, Jimmy has had like I asked him to
be a part of this because I didn't know that
Phil was going to even be able with his schedule
to call in with because he's also opening Max and
Helen's restaurant right now and a million other things. The
everybody Loves Raymond Special, which is going to be on

(53:17):
you know, right before Thanksgiving on CBS.

Speaker 14 (53:19):
Hey, the King of the plug.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
But well, here's my real plug is Jimmy. I text
a lot with him, and every time I text, he's
in a different city getting a different award or doing
a different like one Man show, or getting a different award.
Literally I begged him to give out an Environmental Media
Association Award or introduce there. And it turned out, can
you say, Jimmy, that like who I asked you to

(53:42):
introduce in the fact that he was then honoring you
the next day, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Yeah, Sean Stockman from Boys to Men, So that's who.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
So that's who.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
He asked me what I introduced and I said yes,
and then I said, oh, that's really funny. I'm going
to see him the next day. Actually it was two
days later, I think, because that was a Friday night. Yeah, yeah,
so Sunday night. Yeah, we got honored at Son of
these Songwriters in North America. So yeah, that was a
kind of a crazy thing.

Speaker 14 (54:07):
You've entered.

Speaker 7 (54:07):
You've entered the Lifetime Achievement Awards phase of circuit.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
I'm on, I'm on the circuit. I'm just I'm waiting
for my gold watch though I'm watchless here. I'm waiting
for my my gold watched watch to happen. Oh, by
the way, by the.

Speaker 7 (54:21):
Way, you've gotten a lifetime achievement yet, No, I don't
think you have. You have.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Didn't you get in England some a major prize you got?

Speaker 12 (54:33):
Well?

Speaker 8 (54:33):
Yeah, I have a couple of weird ones.

Speaker 12 (54:35):
I'm I'm mostly under awards radar, but I'm occasionally award adjacent.

Speaker 8 (54:43):
I do have the key to the key to the
City of London.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Oh oh, I like that.

Speaker 12 (54:50):
Which they there's an actual list of like the benefits
and it's a really very worthwhile stuff, like I can
now take my flock of sheep across London Bridge. The
best the best per is if I'm arrested for a
capital offense, I can request to be hung with a

(55:11):
silk nows.

Speaker 8 (55:13):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (55:15):
That sounds like a song title right there.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 14 (55:19):
But Jimmy, I I interrupted you.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
I was just I literally something popped into my head
before you came on.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Phil.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
We were talking about the singers in the cars, uh
and and we were talking about singers in groups that
don't really get the shine and the one that I
just wanted to mention is Timothy's b Schmidt of the Eagles,
who sang I Can't Tell You Why, which is one
of the most beautiful songs every Yeah, and he sang that.

(55:49):
He sang that song and it's just like the most
gorgeous record ever. But that's probably the only one that
I remember him actually doing the lead.

Speaker 9 (55:56):
He came in right as they were starting to fall hard, right, yes,
that's right.

Speaker 10 (56:02):
On the long run, what do you come from Poco
or something?

Speaker 1 (56:04):
He came from Poco where he replaced Randy Meisner who
he replaced replaced in the Eagles. But by the way,
just to show you how full our friendsgiving is, Brad Paisley,
who was supposed to to him in, is trying now
going I'm a free can I zoom in? I'm gonna
this is the first episode We're not going to put
Brad Paisley in because we're already full up and we've
taken enough of everyone.

Speaker 14 (56:25):
I'm going to be leaving in a couple of minutes.
He can take my spot.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Well, no, that's okay. I don't know how. I don't
know when we're going to run out of everyone's time.
So I wanted just to review for everyone. Everyone should
buy Bill's book. Everyone should check out Boo Boo's album
Just absolutely my favorite thing this year, Young Love. It's
just and I was playing it to my kids and
they didn't make me turn it off, which is the

(56:49):
ultimate sign it.

Speaker 8 (56:51):
I wish I could get away with that.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Yes, exactly, everyone should do that. Everyone should by Phil's
new book, but should all so. If you're in La,
get in line for Max and Helens, where I had
the best breakfast ever. And everyone should be very happy
that Jimmy and I will now be so busy with
Grammys that we won't be bothering any of you with

(57:13):
any more plugs than that. But I got two plugs though,
Oh good, I got two plugs.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Yes, please, resonator, Oh the documentary resonator.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
This is this amazing film Alison Tavel. Is that her name? Yes,
Alison Tavel. I watched it on Criterion Collection streaming service
this weekend and it just blew me away.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
Yeah, it's about the girl, Alison Tavel. Her dad invented
the first guitar synthesizer, but she never knew him because
she passed away when she was he passed away or
he passed away rather when she was only you know,
a few weeks old, so she got to learn about
him by rebuilding this synthesizer. And there's only six of
them in the world. I actually have one. But we

(57:56):
did a screening at the Grammy Museum the other day
and she now is the archivist or Tom Petty. She
does the Tom Petty estate at her real job. Because
they asked her at the thing, they said, are you
going to direct? What's your next documentary? And she said,
oh no, I'm done. This was this was it. My
day job is I'm the archivist for Tom Petty. So
that's what it does. Cool And one plug for Cornbread's

(58:17):
book Deeper Blues, absolutely Dad's book. In fact, I recommend
here's our plug for the podcast. Go back and listen
to Jimmy's original first episode where we I think, Phil,
you didn't know anything about the story of Jimmy and
his father and you were so moved and it's so
it's such an inspiring thing. I will say it is.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
This was like, it looks like we're genius bookers because
the book and you know, e if you can remind
me of the title the BBC documentary that people can
find I think on YouTube about you your dad and
your sort of learning about your dad. It's a very
different version of the same sort of son trying to
figure things out out about a complicated father.

Speaker 8 (59:01):
Yeah. It's called Parallel World's Parallel Live.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
And it's unbelievable. My kids think it's one of their
favorite films ever. And they grew up loving E and
knowing E when they were little kids, and now now
they actually think he's genius, which I try to dissuade
them from that impression.

Speaker 10 (59:22):
Your dad was Your dad was a physicist, right.

Speaker 8 (59:24):
Yeah, he invented the parallel universe theory.

Speaker 7 (59:27):
Right right?

Speaker 15 (59:28):
He was not.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Also, he was not nicknamed Cornbread. I don't believe at
any point.

Speaker 8 (59:34):
I wish he had been to talk about.

Speaker 10 (59:38):
Jimmy, Jimmy how I wanted to ask how old is
your father?

Speaker 8 (59:40):
Now?

Speaker 4 (59:41):
He is ninety eight and a half years old. He
still plays every week. He does a thing called the
Church of Cornbread. They just moved the location of it.
He was playing at a place called Palmer's Bar, which
closed down after one hundred and twenty years or something
crazy like that, and literally the next week he was
at a place called Schooner's and now he's at Schooner's
Tavern every Sunday from five to seven, So if you're

(01:00:04):
ever in the Twin Cities, check him out. The Church
of Cornbread and I just played with him last week.
I was back up there and I played with him,
so that was kind of.

Speaker 14 (01:00:10):
Fun, very nice. I want to plug.

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
I'm in a new movie. I'm going to be playing
Bruce Springsteen the ceramics years when he just took off,
he just aided the music business, just started working with ceramics.
He's in a slightly better mood than when he was
making Nebraska, so I think it'll be really entertaining.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Just so we don't hurt Brad Paisy's feelings, I'm gonna Javier,
will you come in here and text him the zoom
just so he can say goodbye. And then Philly, we
know you have to go, and if any of you
have to go, please do, but I'd love you to
hold on for another few minutes so that at least Bratt.

Speaker 8 (01:00:51):
Kate and I can stay all day.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Okay, Bill, Phil, have you taken all your time or
you can stay here.

Speaker 14 (01:00:56):
I'm just pulling up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
We're done with you.

Speaker 10 (01:01:00):
I'm enjoying it so much. But I have a one fifteen,
but I'm I'm going to tell my publicist to delay.

Speaker 9 (01:01:05):
At Olympics, I want to hear Brad Paisley talk about
guitar Ephie's coming out.

Speaker 14 (01:01:10):
Yes, lovely to meet you all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Take care I Phil, thank you, thank you for joining
your podcast.

Speaker 14 (01:01:17):
Yes, anytime.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
I while we're seeing if Brad actually can join for
a minute, If that's okay, Jimmy, if you have to go,
you tell me. But I know he wanted to see
you most of all.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Oh, no, I'll stay. I literally was staying when I
was in Nashville. I was staying at the Virgin Hotel,
which is right across from ass CAP and on the
front of ASCAP, right on the corner of it is
a huge billboard congratulating Brad Paisley. I think he was
the Right of the Year, Lifetime Achievement Award or some
sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
So I took a picture of it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
I'm trying to find it in my phone because I
was going to show it to him that I was
thinking about him when I was in Nashville last week.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
You don't need to go to his head, I know, Kate.
If you don't mind. I want to tell you that E.
His importance and my life is that, like I moved
out here and actually got to know two of my
first friends were Three of my first friends when I
moved to La ninety one were Tom Petty, Howie Epstein,

(01:02:14):
the late great Howie Epstein from the Heartbreakers, May he
rest in peace, and E and my kids when we
were listening to Boo Boos and my kids were on
a long ride. We listened over and over and then
we broke into some classic E some eels. But my
son goes, how did you meet E? And E? Do
you remember where we met tonight? Or I'll tell you

(01:02:37):
we met when he was the opening act for torri
Amos at the Fonda Theater on I guess it's sunset
or Hollywood Boulevard up here. And it's the only time
where ever went to see an opening act and then
went into the lobby met the opening act, and I
think we left and went out and got dinner and
never stopped talking for many years, which and it was

(01:02:59):
also I will say that it was a great thing
for me because when I lived in New York, I wrote,
interviewed a lot of artists, but I didn't become friends
with many of them. It sort of was a different
They were more the the enemy, as I think in
the Eagles would call journalists.

Speaker 8 (01:03:13):
Yeah, I hadn't you know.

Speaker 12 (01:03:16):
Cameron's movie about rock and what's it called fo Yeah? Yeah,
almost famous hadn't been made yet, so I didn't know.
You weren't supposed to fratenize with with rock writing.

Speaker 8 (01:03:30):
And actually I do remember Carter when I told him
we hung out. Carter. Carter was very old school. He
was like, you don't.

Speaker 12 (01:03:38):
Have any friends that are rock writers, and I, for
some reason I just ignored his advice. And rarely has
anyone gone to that much legwork to end up on
a podcast.

Speaker 8 (01:03:53):
I'm a hard worker.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
And I just can't believe knowing you know that the
era that there was never a Buffalo Tom eels like
there was no co headlining, no deal, no opening act
for never, no no radio, no time that some alternative
radio station didn't conspire to get you both to play
for free for Christmas travel.

Speaker 10 (01:04:17):
That's what I'm wondering if that ever happened. But I
don't recall ever being in the same bill. No, I
think we would have said hello for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:04:24):
Yeah, it seems odd.

Speaker 12 (01:04:25):
It was about the same time probably, or maybe when
did you guys start?

Speaker 10 (01:04:31):
Well, we started, we sort of hit the road in
eighty nine.

Speaker 9 (01:04:33):
We were going to about ninety nine when everything started
to fall apart in that Whole World dinner.

Speaker 8 (01:04:38):
Yeah, you were a little earlier than us.

Speaker 9 (01:04:40):
Yeah, yeah, kids started coming to ninety nine.

Speaker 10 (01:04:45):
Well, like Jimmy said, don't have kids if you want
to be a musician, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
And Kate, is this the most time you spent with
this many older gentlemen on a podcast so far?

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Hey, well older than you, older than Kate.

Speaker 6 (01:05:08):
I mean, nobody here knows my age. Maybe you do,
I don't. No, Yeah, I guess this is the first
time this has happened. But I'm thoroughly enjoying myself.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Oh and I think we might now have our final
guest in this friends Giving. Brad Paisley has joined the conversation.
This has gotten fully crazy, Okay, Brad, let me introduce
you to What's up man, Jimmy, You know and love.
Bill Janovitz, member of the great group Buffalo Tom but
more importantly author of the great books about Leon Russell

(01:05:39):
and now the Cars Let the Stories Be Told? Who
and e and Kate are is one of my favorite
artists forever, and Kate is one of my new artists,
favorite artists now with a great group called Boo Boos
that I will get you for Christmas or Hanaka or
whatever your people celebrate. And Brad has my favorite Christmas record.

(01:06:00):
I think it might have passed Stevie Wonder and maybe
the Jackson five called a snow Globe Town. So welcome Brad,
thanks for having me. This is quite a collectic group.
Thankful here. Well Phil just dropped out, so we had
even more Jews before that.

Speaker 15 (01:06:17):
Yeah, well we don't need Phil. Let's you know about
the food aspect left.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Yes, well there's no lunch in this naked lunch. But Bill,
you're I know you said you seem to indicate you're
a Brad guitar fan. I will tell you. Oh that's
nice that this snow Globe Town, that this record. I
put it on the version of My Favorite Things and
I thought, okay, Coltrane did it pretty well. But this

(01:06:45):
on this, on this Christmas It's like, now there's a
great Christmas record with my favorite things on it, which
is just beautiful.

Speaker 9 (01:06:52):
Yeah, I just go down these YouTube Rabbit holes where
I'm just watching Brad play guitar.

Speaker 10 (01:06:58):
That's going, Oh my.

Speaker 18 (01:06:59):
God, that's so nice. Thank you. Well, I just I
just love Telly type players as well. It's just sort
of a different world than mine. So it's just it's
just a you know, and.

Speaker 10 (01:07:10):
I'm not a big guy.

Speaker 9 (01:07:11):
I'm not some way that is false for votuosos. It's
because you know, you're a songwriter as well. So it
all when it when it all comes together like that.

Speaker 10 (01:07:17):
It's that's so nice.

Speaker 15 (01:07:19):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Well.

Speaker 15 (01:07:20):
I'm definitely not a virtuoso, that's uh true, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Never but but it's like, uh, it's it's fun to yeah,
I mean the Telly thing is always interesting too. It's
such a different so I remember sort of like choosing
that instrument. In spite of that instrument, it's there's something
magical about the cutting board with a neck that you

(01:07:44):
know is so forgiving no curves to it.

Speaker 10 (01:07:47):
No, you know, people don't think of like Prince. It
was one of the biggest players, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Yeah, man, Jimmy Prince character. Oh yeah, I definitely heard
of him, definitely heard of him. Definitely. Are you a
great musician because I know you to be a genius.
I honestly like the first artist I ever watched make
great record. I was e it just you know, in

(01:08:15):
your old place in Silver Lake or wherever that in
the house on that crazy block.

Speaker 8 (01:08:20):
I'm a terrible musician, really, but you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Are like a You are like a virtuous who can play.
It feels like you can do anything.

Speaker 8 (01:08:29):
No. No, I'm like a jack of all trades.

Speaker 12 (01:08:31):
You can barely do anything except for the only thing
I'm really actually kind of good at is drums.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
That's how I started.

Speaker 12 (01:08:37):
For like ten years, you know, from the age of
six to sixteen, I was just a drummer, and then
I became a singing drummer. And now I'm a terrible
guitarist who gets great guitar players to cover for him
in the band. And I'm okay on piano. But I'm no,
I'm no, I'm definitely not. Kate is a good piano player,

(01:09:02):
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
And Jimmy, are you uh I think drums? Did you
you started out on drums as well?

Speaker 10 (01:09:10):
Right? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
Yeah, for your dad? Yeah, twelve years old. That was
my first gig playing with him. That was my first
gig and I met and literally I met Terry Lewis
at next that literally that summer after I started playing
with him. And then Terry was the one that switched
me to keyboards because he said jelly Bean Johnson, who
was drummer in the time, was Terry's friend. And so
when I said I'll play drums, he said, already got
a drummer, and I was like, oh. He said you

(01:09:31):
should play keyboard. Your dad plays keyboard. You should be
able to play. And I said okay, and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
So I switched.

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
I'd like to play drums. Every time I do, I
drool a little bit because I'm really happy, but I'm
really bad at it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
I always never stop people usually, and I thought about it.
I talked about drums a lot. Is part of the
job description, yes, but read reading Bill's book, I thought
a lot about drums because literally, like the cars, like
when you get to that ending Mutt Lang Drive Heartbeat

(01:10:09):
City Era, it's like the drums start sounding, which is
very interesting having Jimmy here, because I find Jimmy your
records always sound great. Like I put on Hearsay, which
I did this morning in addition to Alexanders into Alexander
O'Neil's Christmas record, and they just sound great in time was,
but there's some records like Heartbeat City where there's tracks

(01:10:31):
that just sound oh my god, does that sound like
one year in the eighties. Yeah, very specific.

Speaker 9 (01:10:38):
I think a lot of that had to do with
the fair light compared to like, I don't know what
you guys were using.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
Jimmy, No, we couldn't afford a fair light. We a
lot of our just a lot of our production decisions
were based on budget, and so you know, when everybody
had you know, fair lights and emulators and all that stuff,
we had like a mirage, you know, synthesizer. And also
we were into like Oberheim synthesizers, which everybody was into

(01:11:04):
mogues and arts and stuff, and we were into Oberheims.
We just kind of had a different kind of sense
of stuff, I think. But the funny thing about being
a musician, though, is that I'm an okay musician. I
can just play what I write really well. But if
I had to make a living just as being a musician,
like a studio musician, that's a tough one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
The only reason I get like, I get a lot
of sessions, which I love to do, but the reason
that I can work well in a session is because
I can think like a producer, so I can kind
of play the way that I think the producer is
going to need. And I remember one of the engineers
I was working with Inflow from Salt earlier in the year,
and I remember the engineer when I walked in the room,

(01:11:48):
he just said, you gave him everything he needs because
I would play soft, I'd play loud, i'd play busy,
i'd play simple. I would give him all the elements
and then he would have them to be able to
cut together and do whatever he wanted to do with them.
But that's because as I play, I'm thinking like a producer.
So that's the one thing that helps me out a
little bit, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
And because this is the Friends Giving episode and we're
talking a little bit about holiday records, I wonder Jimmy
and I spoke earlier in the beginning of this about
our favorite Christmas records for the rest of you. Brad,
you have my favorite new Christmas record Forever Snow Globe Town.
But do you have a favorite Christmas record you know, ever?
Of all the different classics. And now it's interesting. It's

(01:12:32):
interesting because.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
I feel like Christmas, like I love so many things
that it's become this extended playlist on the computer in
the studio house for that, you've been to David where
I've got all of our family. We have a guest
house on the farm that's my recording studio, and they
all stay there. We end up with twenty one people

(01:12:57):
at Christmas time here, which is glorious.

Speaker 15 (01:13:00):
Honestly.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
It's sort of the point I think is to just
gather with the people you love and and so like
on that computers everything that I ever loved Christmas wise,
you know, and it's just you just hit play and
that playlist just sits there waiting for next year to
be sort of broadcast through the house on the Sono system,

(01:13:20):
you know, and and and looking at what's on it,
you know, it's Sinatra, it's been Crosby. It's the things
that those those records that that just feel like Christmas.
But you know, in country music, there are a couple
of people that did really cool Christmas albums in the
nineties in country music, and one of them was Alan

(01:13:43):
Jackson did a did a record I think it's called
Honky Tonk Christmas, and it's like he did his country
versions of these and they were really cool, like they're
and and when I made my first Christmas record, I
sort of did that on my first album, where everything
was done with a very country slant, all these old

(01:14:07):
songs like we did you know, Silent Night and and
we covered the buck Owens had a killer Christmas song
called Santa looked a lot like Daddy that he wrote
with Don Rich that is so funny and is so
great and was like a hit in the sixties.

Speaker 15 (01:14:23):
But so I covered that on the first album. But
this new.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
Album, looking at my inspirations, I really leaned into the
jazz stuff and some of the even though there's a
lot of country things on it, Like we did different
takes on some of these songs, like for instance, but
he was talking about my favorite things. I was with
that track. I was like, what happens if Hendrix had

(01:14:46):
done that? And what's fun about hearing it? It's like
a six' eight waltz no and done with like neck pickup, amp,
dirty you, know big, PIANO b three and, Everything and
when you do it stripped down like, that it becomes

(01:15:07):
one of the coolest drug songs you've ever heard in your.
Life it's like it's the craziest sort of metaphors for you,
know it's like rain drops on roses and whiskers on.

Speaker 15 (01:15:17):
Kittens it's like which one is?

Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
That it really does feel like a psychedelic sixties thing
THAT i Wish hendrix had.

Speaker 10 (01:15:26):
Done you.

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
Know BUT i think my, favorite some of my Favorite christmas,
albums they've all just become like.

Speaker 15 (01:15:31):
A playlist to. Me they're just also you, know you
know WHO i.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
Had one of my favorite favorites Was Harry Knyk junior's
First christmas album Is.

Speaker 15 (01:15:39):
Killer It's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Killer that's a good. ONE e had a, SONG e
do you Remember everything's going to be cool At? Christmas
is that what it's called THAT i?

Speaker 12 (01:15:49):
HAVE i have Three christmas songs in the, catalog that,
one and Then christmas Is going to The, dogs which
is in The Jim Carrey grinch. Movie last one is
called it just came out a few years, ago Called
Christmas why You gotta Do me like?

Speaker 10 (01:16:06):
This there you?

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Go, Yeah, kate do you have a Favorite christmas?

Speaker 12 (01:16:13):
ON i like to, say for, me the Greatest christmas
song and also possibly the greatest song period ever Is
James Brown's Santa Claus Goes straight to the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Ghetto that is, beautiful perfect.

Speaker 8 (01:16:26):
Song that is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Great BUT i will SAY i think as a, record
the ONE i love just as much AS A christmas
in hollis By RUN. DMC i think that's one of
the that's one of the Coolest CHRISTMAS i think it's
my Favorite RUN dmc.

Speaker 8 (01:16:38):
Track, yeah that's a great.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
One absolutely love That i've.

Speaker 5 (01:16:42):
Found LIKE i bet you guys feel this way. Too
like this the reason we did A christmas. ALBUM i
didn't if you'd asked me In, july what's on the,
plant what's planned for the rest of the, YEAR i
would have, said, oh we're just working on. Whatever we
didn't come up with doing A christmas album Until july
and cut it in three different days at this, studio
just brought the band in and we JUST i wrote

(01:17:03):
for a couple of weeks and then just did it.
Quickly and what we found is there's so Many christmas
ideas laying there that nobody writes because nobody thinks of
it as something worth their time because it's basically like
two months out of the, year and then they're, like
we have, well why WOULD i waste this time working
On there's just people rarely do it but it's it's, perennial, like.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Yeah it worked out well For Riyah, carrey, RIGHT i believe.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
Totally but more than, that it's, like you go do,
this AND i think labels and everybody they feel, like,
well we need six months to set something up and
we need all that, stuff and instead we just were,
like we were, like let's just let's just do, this.

Speaker 15 (01:17:45):
Let's just, cut let's see what we can.

Speaker 5 (01:17:46):
Write and we ended up writing eight new songs on
it that there's so many hooks sitting there that no
one is written because They're christmas, hooks like we. Had
we wrote a song On falling like The snow that's very.
Romantic we wrote another one called leave The Christmas lights
on For. Me and these feel like they should have
been written back in the sixties or seventies by Like

(01:18:08):
Bill anderson or you, Know Harlan howard or one of
these great, writers AND i think nobody wrote, Those like
there's so many ideas there to be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Written And jimmy was saying he made a record THAT
i love With alexander And, neil A christmas, record and
you said the same sort of thing. Happened it was
too late and you had one week and you just did.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
It, yeah now that the record company told us it's
too late to do, it and we were, like how
much how much time do we? Have they said a,
week AND i said, Okay and we not only did the,
record BUT i was Telling, david we shot the album,
cover we did the whole. Thing we literally we handed
it to them completely, done so there was no, excuses
and it's definitely had a nice long life because that

(01:18:47):
WAS i think eighty. FOUR i think we might have
done that album eighty for.

Speaker 15 (01:18:51):
EIGHTY i think that's sometimes the best way to do.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
Stuff, yeah well it was great because the record company wasn't.
Involved just good back. Then you, know we all wanted
to be and we're In, minneapolis so it was perfect
so they couldn't come up in. Here they couldn't and
literally we just handed them the. Record here's the. Record
and then the little fun THING i was Telling david
about it was That elvin and The chipmunks actually remade
one of.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
The songs on.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
There, yeah we did a song called Sleigh, ride not
the traditional slave, ride but we did our own version
and they actually did a version of.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
It so it's pretty cool to be covered By. Alvin
did you get did you meet? Him that's on? There,
well we've taken all of your, time more than we,
asked AND i just want to say thank you for
joining The. Friendsgiving and then can we all agree that
we're excited to toss To Cameron crowe who has his

(01:19:45):
brand new book By Everyone's, everything and then also check
out The uncool By Cameron. Crow is everyone A Cameron
crow fan in this?

Speaker 16 (01:19:53):
Group?

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Yeah, yeah, yes yes So.

Speaker 9 (01:19:56):
Cameron cameron was very helpful for The leon book as,
well so send him MY.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Ba so, yeah well you do, It. Cameron you'll hear
this because now we're going to cut to a little
Of cameron and with a special appearance By Kate hudson
who called in with one of the questions for our.
Episode so we're all now part of a Friends giving
with not only us With, phil With Cameron crow And Kate.
Hudson SO i feel like we have a major. Vehicle

(01:20:20):
we could be a variety show for Next.

Speaker 12 (01:20:21):
Christmas Hey, cameron long time no See Hey.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Cameron well CAN i say thank you all for being
part of this Friends giving and thank you for being
part Of Naked. Lunch thank, you thank you to meet
nice to meet all of.

Speaker 16 (01:20:38):
You hostimes had just come.

Speaker 19 (01:20:53):
Out, yeah and the studio didn't like the movie or
believe in, it and like cut our theaters at the last.
Minute what and Basically Fast times was only you, know
seen by people ON vcr one of my favorite vhs.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Later so it was bombing in the.

Speaker 19 (01:21:10):
Theaters but he knew About spaccoli and he was he was, saying,
LIKE i felt Like. Spacolei you, know WHEN i was In,
gainesville people would see me with my long hair and
immediately assumed THAT i was stoned and kind of incapable of.
Thought and so that was when he, said pick up a,
Camera i'm Gonna i'm gonna play this song for you
that you're gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Love and that was that was the beginning of my directing.
Career And i'm.

Speaker 19 (01:21:34):
Stupid it is like his ode to his own specoliness
so much. CRAZY i was going nuts when he was doing.
It i'll never forget how that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Fell by the, way totally off.

Speaker 13 (01:21:44):
Subject Shouldn't Sean penn do more? Comedy his comedy is,
great amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
YOU i mean it's amazing because he doesn't try and be,
funny and when he tries to be.

Speaker 13 (01:21:55):
Funny that's one of the great comic conventions of all
time is.

Speaker 16 (01:22:00):
He actually had an.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Experience there was A haitian benefit that WE i was
writing and Asked phil to come, in and so we
were writing material For, sean and do you remember we
pitching him a. Joke it was like he was sort
of like a little, reluctant but then, yeah, yeah, yeah BUT.

Speaker 13 (01:22:17):
I, mean look at the look at THE i, mean
that's a brilliant. Performance you would swear that's the. Guy
don't choke don't choke.

Speaker 14 (01:22:30):
On this is one of the dangers Of.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Naked see if you had EATEN R, sang WHICH i,
here you would.

Speaker 13 (01:22:35):
Smooth it was just all would have gone so.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Well, Yeah phil one THOUGHT i thought the last.

Speaker 19 (01:22:42):
LUNCH i thought that it would be somebody we just
got off the beach who would Place. SPECOLI i just,
thought because it was based on a real, GUY i, thought,
well you'll just get another real guy and put him
in the movie and that'll be. Great and people kind
of had to, say, no you have to get an
actor who can do a. Performance AND i was, like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
No, no, no you gotta get a real.

Speaker 19 (01:23:04):
Guy And sean came in and Don, phillips the casting,
guy had Seen.

Speaker 16 (01:23:10):
Sean sean was in.

Speaker 19 (01:23:10):
A movie Called Bad boys that hadn't come, out but
he had no cachet or, anything And Don, phillips the casting,
director had had a meeting with, him And sean did
a little bit of the character For don and, said,
LIKE i know how to play this guy BECAUSE i
grew up In. Malibu my dad was a director AND
i knew the guys on the beach that were like,
this SO i can do. It and he did a

(01:23:32):
little bit of For, don And don called us all
in AND i remember it was a morning where you,
know they let me hang out with the casting sessions
and everything and be on set and, stuff and so they, said,
well come see this.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Guy don thinks he could Play. Spaccoli and AS i.

Speaker 19 (01:23:48):
Was walking, in a guy in a camaro almost ran
me over and like didn't look, back didn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
WAS i was kind of, like, wow almost died. THERE
i go up into this.

Speaker 19 (01:23:59):
ROOM a minute, later that guy walks in and It's
Sean penn and he sits down and he tells Us
amy that we're all, there you, know and he says, like,
WELL i can do the, character and we, go, okay
do the, character and he, goes, no you got to hire.
Me AND i don't know how it, happened But don,

(01:24:20):
said we got to hire, him and we hired. Him
AND i never heard him Do spacoli until he started,
filming which was, like you'd never do it like, That
but my thing was and he was in character the whole.
Time we never he never said my name Is sean
until after the movie had. Wrapped he came and visited

(01:24:41):
us In Were dying jacket and introduced Himself Were.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Dying here's the, Deal phil this.

Speaker 19 (01:24:46):
IS i thought it was, hilarious but he played it
so seriously that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
You couldn't really tell.

Speaker 19 (01:24:53):
And it was just so, real which of course is
the funniest. Stuff BUT i remember we used to go
to this place On lancashrom called Little. Tony's it's still,
there AND i Would he was really shy, then and
we would go out to Little tony's after and his
feeling was not to overtell the, story but his feeling
Was speccoli was an, outcast so he didn't make friends

(01:25:16):
with the. Cat with the other members of the cast
while he was, filming we would go and get a,
pizza so method you. Know and he was twenty one or.
Something but we would go get a pizza or something
At Little tony's after AND i would always say to,
him you gotta say the line You. DICK i will
die if You dick doesn't come out, perfect because that's

(01:25:38):
my favorite thing in the, Script You. Dick it's just
it's it's like a you gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Be able to.

Speaker 19 (01:25:43):
Do just do you, Dick just say you. Dick, no,
No i'm not gonna do.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
It you'll know. It you'll know it when we do.

Speaker 19 (01:25:49):
It i'm, like, NO i trust, you BUT i gotta
here just to just whisper it to, me whisper you. Dick, no,
no no. No and so the day came for that,
scene And Kelly, curtis my buddy who went on to
Manage Pearl. Jam he was there behind the camera with
me because he too was invested In if.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
He doesn't, say you, dick we're. Fucked you, know we're.

Speaker 19 (01:26:11):
Finished And Nancy, wilson my girlfriend soon to be, wife
she was behind the.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
Camera she was.

Speaker 19 (01:26:19):
Rooting the scene, Begins sean comes, In Ray walston is,
there the only celebrity in the. Cast Ray walston is.
There he's set up for the line And sean goes You,
jack and we looked at each other and we're, like
oh my, god, eureka it's better than we even we

(01:26:42):
didn't even.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Know this is the mother, load my, god you. Know
and it was.

Speaker 19 (01:26:46):
Spectacular it was, spectacular so much so That Ray walston
stomped off the set and said To Amy, HECKERLANE i won't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Have a young actor talk to me like.

Speaker 19 (01:26:58):
That Why Because Sean sean was so confident that he
would do like he would he he was so on
fire with, you, dick that he would he would do
a take where he would say To Ray, walston you
read faced mother, effort and like we would be dying
behind the.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
Camera Ray, wilson at a certain point.

Speaker 19 (01:27:20):
It was, Like i'm not In i'm NOT i didn't
do all THAT i did in the in the business
to be talked. To SO i didn't DO i didn't
work With Bill bigsby And Billy wilder to be Told
i'm a red faced mf you, know by this little
guy who also calls me a. Dick, meanwhile we're like

(01:27:43):
high fiving because this is this is our shot At,
spacoli and and That's Sean sean knew he had it
the whole.

Speaker 13 (01:27:53):
Time that's one of my favorite movie stories of all
time Because.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
I've seen that movie a hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
Times.

Speaker 13 (01:27:59):
Uh not only was it A vhs, HIT i think you,
know it was a giant CABLE tv.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Hit, yeah, Absolutely. Cameron cut to the nineties AND i
get a call From sean about an idea he had
for a show that was basically us driving around the
country finding the Next Bob. Dylan that was the core.
Concept but he, said let's go pitch. It he, Goes i'll.
Do we talked through the. Pitch he, Goes i'm going
to do the. Pitch we went into three different. Networks

(01:28:26):
he never, spoke he would not, speak and like the
first time he, goes as we're walking in the, door he,
goes you do the, pitch AND i was, like AND
i started the. Pitch this was AN, hbo and the
head OF, hbo three seconds into my, pitch, Goes, david
when you And sean walk into a, room you have
no idea how much people want to hear from, you,
which of course was not at, all but my favorite

(01:28:48):
thing he ever, said because he is so funny when
he doesn't want to. Be AND i remember him, Saying,
david and he was married To Robin wright at the,
time AND i was married To frand who's sitting watching.
This but he said to me this, sentence which shows
how different married guys think different. Ways he, Goes, david
we should probably limit it to like two, months because
that's after that our wives might get mad at us

(01:29:11):
for being. Away And i'm, Like, sean my wife is
mad at me for accepting your phone call right. Now
SO i think two three months might be a bit
of a bit of a. Problem he can do whatever he.

Speaker 13 (01:29:22):
Wants He's Sean penn national.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
Hilarious why didn't you do this? Show this show is?

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
Great what happened was the big networks didn't want. It
vh one wanted, it at which Point sean, said, nah
but we don't have a question From Sean, penn but
we want to share with you a question from the
woman who indirectly because People cameron already was gracious enough
to ask a question in Our Bonnie hunt, episode which

(01:29:48):
may be why Our Bonnie hunt episode is a viral
sensation on. YouTube but we have a question from the
woman who sort of led to this moment happening in
a Way Kate hudson And kate has this is an
audio message that we will play for you. Now and
it's a great question THAT i WISH i had thought,
Of but she's smarter THAN i.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
Am, wow.

Speaker 20 (01:30:11):
Pro Kate hudson here just waiting in the, wings waiting
for a call from Mister Cameron. Crow anytime, Anywhere i'll be.
There So david, said can you ask a? QUESTION i, said,
yes of, Course and here's my. Question you are responsible
for some of the most iconic music and movies in.

Speaker 11 (01:30:33):
FILM i want to know which, one which, cue which
music choice are you proudest of that you just love
and that had like a great story attached to.

Speaker 15 (01:30:46):
It how did you get the?

Speaker 11 (01:30:47):
Rights did you have to go to the?

Speaker 14 (01:30:49):
Artists did you have to?

Speaker 20 (01:30:50):
Ask so that's one, part and then the other part
is what was the hardest song to get in one
of your? Films and that's, it that's. ALL i got
a million, questions BUT i settled on, those AND i
love you And i'll.

Speaker 14 (01:31:05):
Talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Soon oh wow. Something thanks you, Guys thanks for. That
we Love.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Kate great question, too so we want to know.

Speaker 19 (01:31:17):
You answer, well because BECAUSE i was thinking this as
soon as she started. TALKING i think before she even
asked the, QUESTION i was thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
ABOUT i have two answers to.

Speaker 19 (01:31:30):
It one one THAT i thought of as soon as you, Said,
kate and the other she was asking the question when
when she looks up backstage and almost famous and Sees
Billy crewed up And Patrick fugut As William miller thinks
he's like a big shot guy suddenly and he can
Introduce Russell hammon, Too Penny, lane and he realizes As

(01:31:53):
kate turns and looks At Billy crewed Up Russell hammon
and has like a little bit of emotion in her
face that they know each other. Well river By Joni
mitchell is, playing and it was playing on the set
when we did, it and it's playing in the. Movie
doesn't often work that, way where the song you have
on set works in the movie or vice. Versa but

(01:32:17):
she starts to cry a little bit there and it's
just amazing and it thrills me every. Time and the
other one THAT i love that also Involves kate is
and by the, Way Joni mitchell was really gracious and
let us have a river, without you, know just gave
it to us and go With. God the other one

(01:32:40):
which was harder to get Was Cat Stevens The, wind
which plays When kate is kind of dancing among the
in the.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
Trash in the we shot at The, palladium but.

Speaker 19 (01:32:52):
It's in The cleveland concert where Still water is played
and now it's just trash, there and she captures this
thing where the spirits of what's happened in that room
are still there for her a music, lover and this
was like my favorite scene that made me want to
make the, movie when she's When Penny lane is dancing

(01:33:15):
in the, trash and that became a sticking point when
we were cutting the. Movie everybody that came to see
it from the studio would, say, like why is she dancing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Forever in the?

Speaker 19 (01:33:29):
Trash you have to cut this, Down and so it
would be little by, little my, Little i'd cut it,
down and then so it's it's it's it's kind of
at a nub in the theatrical, version but in the director's,
cut she dances.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
A really long, time AND i just, think, like that's the.

Speaker 19 (01:33:48):
Movie that's that's The Pauline, kale the great, critic you,
know like once once, said there's a there's a there's
a scene in every director's mind that made him want
want to do the movie and if and if that isn't,
true he's not a real, director you. Know AND i
JUST i remember reading that and, GOING i passed this,

(01:34:08):
test because there's usually one of those, moments and in
almost famous it was that With. Kate tough to get
a song From Kat stevens at the, time, well.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
By the, way the only ONE i was working With
Cat stevens not long after that when HE i did
the interview with him when he sort of returned to
the music world when he had been away for all those,
years AND i am shocked that you got permission BECAUSE
i asked, him this is the first time interview he,
did you know where he sort of it was behind

(01:34:38):
the MUSIC vh one special two hour thing AND i
flew To. London BUT i remember asking him About harold
And maud and how did he like the message of
if you want to sing, out sing? Out and he
was sort of arguing with me about the meeting of
his own music representing freedom and he and the thing
is for our relationship would, evolve AND i think obviously

(01:34:58):
he's come a long way back sort of embracing his
own musical, past But i'm shocked you got it then.

Speaker 19 (01:35:05):
It wasn't It's Danny. Bramson HE i don't know what
chess pieces got, moved but we we ultimately got the,
wind which which was. Amazing the even tougher one, Though
stevie wonder My Sharia, moore AND i, thought Because i'd
heard his stuff In Spike lee's movies and stuff like,
that AND i was just.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
Like, Yeah Stevie Wonder, man that'll be. Great let's put
My Sharie moore in.

Speaker 19 (01:35:29):
There and what we got back was, like you must
write a letter To, stevie and you must tell him
why it's essential to you that you use that song
which is very important to. Him address it to his
Name Steve Land, morris and put your heart and.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
Soul into it and you might get his.

Speaker 19 (01:35:48):
Attention and in, FACT i think we wrote two, letters
each one deeper and more, passionate AND i think outright
begging was the last. Letter and he, said, yeah, Yes
and that is another amazing moment for, me because not
to over Answer kate's great, question but, like well it Involves,

(01:36:09):
kate you, know making almost.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Famous we were able to shoot.

Speaker 19 (01:36:12):
It in in chronological, order so in. Continuity, patrick who
had a big crush On, kate not unlike the, character
was exhausted because he'd been in this movie, forever this
tour slash. Movie so he's telling the story of the
movie while making the, movie and he's like deeply crushed.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Out On kate and he was so.

Speaker 19 (01:36:39):
Tired in that scene where My Sharia moore plays, that
there was like nothing on his.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Face he was.

Speaker 19 (01:36:46):
Exhausted and somebody took me aside and, said you got.
It you gotta do that, Thing like what's the, thing you,
know the thing where you you tell the actor something
that makes them feel, Emotional like that's the, Thing, like, yeah,
no you gotta do it LIKE i was on An
Oliver stone. Movie somebody, said LIKE i was on An
Oliver stone. Movie and he he literally Made so And

(01:37:08):
so weep by telling him the most difficult. Stuff and you,
Know i'm, like, Okay so behind the camera With, Patrick i'm,
going as the SHOT's moving, In i'm, going.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
You, know you're never gonna see these people. Again you,
know they're nice to. You they pretend it's a.

Speaker 19 (01:37:27):
Family, yeah they, Say, oh we're gonna be together for
the rest of our. Lives isn't it. Amazing it's bo
it's not. True it's not. True, patrick you, know it's not.
True you're never gonna see these people. Again and he's
his face crumbles and the shot ends and like My
Sharia moore was playing as we were doing, it and

(01:37:50):
and it ends and everybody's like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
And Poor patrick is like, Shake i'm, Sorry i'm. Sorry
he's like, no, no it's, okay it's. Okay so tired
of the.

Speaker 19 (01:38:01):
Time but that that was the most amazing thing because
if if it was any other, song it wouldn't mean as.
Much because for some, reason the happy sad quality of
My Sharia moore matched the fact that in the movie
his his love is maybe, dying and then he's imagining
that we're all going to turn our backs on him

(01:38:23):
when the movie's. Done So patrick is, is you, know
wobbling as a.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
GUY i don't. Know it's, Like i'll never Be Oliver.

Speaker 13 (01:38:31):
Stone But closestone used, Weapons.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
Yes he used weapon you. Know BUT i heard.

Speaker 13 (01:38:40):
THAT i heard That spielberg told Young Drew barrymore that
she was never going to see her friends again when
she was saying goodbye To.

Speaker 19 (01:38:48):
Et AND i Know spielberg is probably really good at.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
IT i tried.

Speaker 19 (01:38:53):
IT i tried it on our Movie Vanilla. SKY i tried.
Like there was a scene WHERE i tried to do
it again and THE i think it Was Cameron diaz
and she was, like, oh give me a.

Speaker 13 (01:39:03):
Break doesn't work every, time but come, on come, on.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
Just tell me what you. Want, jesus don't play.

Speaker 13 (01:39:12):
Games the ONE i think of is Tiny the answer
tiny dnswer correct me If i'm. Wrong was not a
hit song at the, time which was kind OF i
think it was just a, point BUT i always loved.
IT i always loved it. Too but, yeah it Went
elton fact in That advice was so into music that

(01:39:34):
they knew the off, hit they knew THE b, sides
and so could sing the whole song and that and
and that transcended the movie to everyone's love of, music
and we all are connected through these. Albums we used
to listen to albums and we listened to every song
on the. Album and a great album like The Elton

(01:39:56):
john album That That's from came, out you knew every
song and That Tiny dancer then became one Of altain's
hits because of the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
Movie he gave.

Speaker 19 (01:40:03):
Us credit for it, too which is really. COOL a
lot of people have no memory about that. Stuff but
he's such a fan and is a fan of. Music
as you know that he he kind of always hailed
us for As Chips enough would, say, YEAH.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
I can't believe you got to the hail. STUFF i
thought you wouldn't Say, god but you, Did Thank.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
God of, course of course we hail, him we.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
BOMBED i think that might have been our first discussions
were about a hard rock. Band you could call him
a hair, band and they uh called enough is. Enough
that both of us might struggle to spell it and
put the hyphen at the right. Place BUT i think
for the first twenty conversations we ever, had it was,
LIKE i hail, you Camera, CROW i hail You David,
wilde because that's we were both hailed By Chips. ENOUGH

(01:40:49):
i have to.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
Have we got to keep. This we've kept the streak alive.

Speaker 16 (01:40:52):
Too.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
Phil one more thing about, it but we hail.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
You we hail, you my, friend.

Speaker 13 (01:40:58):
Hailing phil almost fast like like fast, times Like. Jeremyguire
you have this ability to write and direct in such
a way that the these moments transcend the movie's story

(01:41:18):
and become these truths about life that stay with us.
Forever WHAT i mean Is Fast times is not just
a great. Comedy it says something about being a teenager
that's definitive at that time of life.

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
And almost.

Speaker 19 (01:41:38):
FAME a lot of That's Amy, HECKERLING i gotta say
a lot of That's Amy, heckerling who had the courage
to not play it first stick you know. That, yes
there wasn't a genre to play into for her at that,
time and she was the one that, said let's keep it,
Real let's keep it, Real let's keep it. Real and

(01:41:59):
we did, it and so Had she made sure the
actors that got cast would play it. Real and again
they they they didn't like the movie at the studio
and basically dumped.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
It but it was a.

Speaker 19 (01:42:12):
Hit and it Was John hughes that came later and,
Said i'll make you teen movies and because now you
know what they're. Worth, Yeah AND i think that road
comes From Amy heckerling and doesn't get enough credit for.

Speaker 13 (01:42:24):
That But Fast times is better than any of.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
THEM i think it's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
Even better Than The, wildlife WHICH i always felt was
named after, me ALTHOUGH i was in.

Speaker 13 (01:42:33):
Class but the other example is an autobiography that you're.

Speaker 19 (01:42:38):
Gonna, yeah that's that's the pre filming of your. Autobiography.

Speaker 13 (01:42:44):
Wife the thing About Almost famous is not only is
it this amazing look at the music business and rock
music and specifically in your experience With Rolling stone as
as The Wonderkin, reporter but the coming of ageess of.
It how did was What Penny? Lane was this a

(01:43:05):
girl you knew because in high School Jessica goldstein for
me was The Kate hudson.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
Character Even Penny lane Is.

Speaker 13 (01:43:17):
Jewish, yes that's the that's phil the mystery of, women
the mystery that when you looked at this, creature.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
How is she so?

Speaker 13 (01:43:28):
Confident how is she so beautiful and gracefully dancing through the?

Speaker 3 (01:43:34):
Garbage how is?

Speaker 13 (01:43:36):
She how the mystery of women at that age to
to an, adolescent you, know did you have that in your?
Life because that's the part that is so transcendent for
me about even though that that your experience obviously not
my experience going on the road With rocks, bands but

(01:43:59):
the feeling of the, GIRL.

Speaker 19 (01:44:02):
I think it's it's it's true of anybody that you
meet and you fill in the blanks in the most magical.
Ways you, know when you have that feeling of attraction
or something triggers a feeling in you that this is
this is a this is an amazing. Person AND i
do think it goes both. WAYS i THINK i think

(01:44:22):
when we're, lucky we we can become that too to
the women in our lives sometimes, hopefully but or.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
That age or. Friend it's, like come on.

Speaker 19 (01:44:35):
The, ideal the, idea we celebrate the. IDEAL i THINK
i think like we got In, elizabethtown we got knocked
for the h for the idea of a manic pixie dream,
girl which Was Kirsten duntz's character was kind of an.
Angel she was a flight attendant who becomes an angel

(01:44:55):
to to the character who's in. Grief but they are
based on real. People Penny lane was based on a real,
person mostly about a woman Named Penny lane who whose
real name Was Penny, trumbull and she was that kind
of a figure at that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
Time but the thing is.

Speaker 19 (01:45:20):
Music is a part of that magical feeling because you
meet somebody you're enamored and you go into your world
and you have these songs that fill in the blanks
in your in your wonderful world where you imagine who
they might be or how you guys might be together
and would that person ever be interested in?

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
Me songs are are your your? Coach?

Speaker 19 (01:45:41):
There like these songs that we listened to are, like oh,
wow that they know exactly What i'm, feeling you, Know
Cas stevens knew. Exactly you, know that song is about my.
Yearning and SO i always loved those those songs that
had that happy sad. Quality And Penny lane being a

(01:46:01):
character that was about music and who loved. Music she
had the, superpower so it was really fun to like
make that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
CHARACTER i gotta Say kate playing that.

Speaker 19 (01:46:13):
Character was a miracle because she was not the first person,
cast but as fate would have, it Originally Sarah polly was.
Cast was an amazing, actor really great, director kind of
knew that her path was going to lead her, elsewhere

(01:46:36):
and we worked on it for a while and she
left to do other. Stuff But kate, HERSELF i don't
know if she talked to you about, This, David but
Like kate who was playing the sister part played By
Zoey deschanel and almost, famous And kate hung in through
the many months of delays that the movie had and

(01:46:57):
was really loyal to. Us people were trying to Get
kate to play bigger parts in other, movies and they
were throwing money at, her and she, says, No i'm
gonna do this little part in this movie about loving.
Music and then when we lost our, lead we were, like,
oh what.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Are we gonna?

Speaker 19 (01:47:13):
Do And Steven spielberg was the head Of DreamWorks at the,
time And Dreams works was making the, movie And Steven spielberg,
said you, know let's just cast the best person for
the part the.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Movie the script is the, star which was an amazingly
generous thing to.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
Say, well, SO i think it ended up being quite a.

Speaker 19 (01:47:32):
Star it's it's because they supported the movie so much that,
that Like. Kate we, Said, kate we'll step in and
do this, audition but don't be disappointed if you don't
get the. Lead are you going to feel, upset like
if you end up the sister? Character, no, no, No
let's just give it a. Try and of course we
did this audition in the office and music was playing

(01:47:55):
and we showed it To spielberg And spielberg was, like
that's your, girl that's the.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
Girl cast. Her let's just do. It and we did.

Speaker 19 (01:48:02):
It And Zoey, deschanel who had come in and wasn't
right for any. Part but Gayl, levin our casting, director was,
like she's got she's wearing an, orchid and she's, like
look at, her she's got such amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
Style like we love this, girl we don't have a
part for.

Speaker 19 (01:48:18):
Her and so When kate moved, on we were, like the
girl with the, orchid she can play the. Sister and
So zoe came in and played the. Sister and that
it doesn't always happen that, Way, phil because that was
the magic wand tapping us on the shoulders, saying here's
better casting for many reasons than you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
Had as brilliant as your screenplay, is as brilliant as that,
movie your direction, IS i don't think it's that movie
Without Kate hudson and totally totally, true and when she's
sort of responsible for you being on this. Podcast, finally
BECAUSE i did beg you the first week we started the,
PODCAST i Told phil that you were my first. TEN
i wanted you were. There we got, you but in

(01:48:57):
part BECAUSE i interviewed katea The Grammy museum when you were,
unavailable and so this has been all part of and
then we got you to send a question For Bonnie,
hunt the Amazing Bonnie. Hunt so we've been wooing you
into our show and thank. You we're very. Appreciative BUT
i WANT i Think kate deserves a little plug since

(01:49:19):
she has put OUT i always assumed if she could,
sing after almost, famous she would.

Speaker 17 (01:49:24):
Have put a record.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
Out she waited until yeah this year and put out
a glorious album Called. Glorious so how amazing is that
to see her finally using that amazing voice of.

Speaker 19 (01:49:34):
Hers and she's got the confidence of knowing that that's
that's one of her little superpowers that that's now available to,
her is that she can make great.

Speaker 3 (01:49:45):
Records and she she sings with.

Speaker 19 (01:49:48):
Kind of a knowing, spark kind of kind of like
how she. Is she it's honest. Stuff when she, sings
it's so good And i'm glad you save some time to.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
Talk, She's, Uh kate is. Amazing and you know, What, Kate.

Speaker 19 (01:50:08):
KATE i, KNOW i know there's a part That kate's
doing right now That i'm sure she'll be able to
talk about. Soon but a friend of mine's working on
this movie Where kate's playing this amazing character, part and
he's already saying Like.

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
Oh my, God Kate.

Speaker 19 (01:50:21):
Hudson SO i feel Like kate's going to have this
this this, uh this kind of phase coming up where
we all kind of realize the treasure that she's she's
been more than.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
Ever and just so you, know from the set of that,
movie which is enough a little out there's a Little
Neil diamond, connection which is makes it magical for. Me
but she wanted me to convey the message call her
because she has an idea that she wants to discuss with.
You so in addition to the, QUESTION i got the
word call her as soon as you, can BECAUSE i
think it's.

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
You making things.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
Happen AND i naked no, percentage which is. RIDICULOUS i
had a question about you Mentioned vanilla's guy came up
just in. Passing but a song like, that like McCartney
a pretty another pretty good songwriter singer songwriter in that,
case did you what conversations led to him doing a
title track for? You and and what was that? Experience like.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
He he was putting on an?

Speaker 19 (01:51:20):
Album was it flaming pie?

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
Flaming he?

Speaker 19 (01:51:29):
Was he was he was putting on an album and,
uh and he wanted to put a song in a.
Movie and our Friend Danny, brampson who we've talked, about, said, well,
McCartney McCartney will will let us have one of these
songs from from his upcoming. Album it'll come out around
the time of the.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
Movie we'll have some. Synergy it'll be. Great and what
do you what do you think about?

Speaker 19 (01:51:54):
That oh my, god this is like the greatest thing
Because Vanilla skuy has kind of a beatles the title
and just it has like a trippy equality to. It
and And danny, said, Well paul McCartney's gonna come to
your editing, room and everybody got super. Nervous And paul

(01:52:14):
McCartney came over and he watched some of the movie
and he liked, it and then he played us some
of the songs and there was a couple songs in
there that were really. Good and and SO i was,
like this song would be, good and this song would be,
good but you know it would really be great is

(01:52:34):
if you wrote a title song Called Vanilla Sky and.

Speaker 3 (01:52:39):
There was this there was this pause in the, room
like what are you saying To paul.

Speaker 19 (01:52:44):
McCartney are you saying, that like you don't want to
use the songs from the Album and you, know AND
i just kind of like just, Know i'm just saying
that that would be cool, too because on the album
and so it was, Like, okay everything's, fine and he
was he was.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
Gray everybody was.

Speaker 19 (01:53:01):
Fine and SO i think maybe a week, Later danny
was in the office and he comes in with the
phone and, Says paul McCartney just called, us and he,
says be careful what you ask, for because you just
might get. It come over to the. Studio he's got

(01:53:21):
a song for. Us So danny AND i drive over
TO a AND. M and we're, going oh my, god you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
Know, what what's it gonna? Be what's this song gonna?

Speaker 19 (01:53:32):
Be this is gonna be this is, wild like it
could be, anything and.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
It could be let, die or it could be spies like.
Us it could go.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
Either it could be, anything you, know and we're, going,
like what do we?

Speaker 19 (01:53:43):
SAY i, mean we say thank, you, obviously it's just
this is the greatest.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
Thing we're kind of.

Speaker 19 (01:53:47):
Nervous so we go in there and he sets it
up and he, SAYS i was having dinner and, uh
the dishes at the dinner were were just making me
remember the movie a little bit and the feeling of
the movie and the kind of exotic. Quality AND i
wrote this song AND i know that you had mentioned

(01:54:13):
that you like the acoustic feeling of some of the
stuff that's in your. Movie SO i made it kind
of an acoustic. Song And danny AND i are looking
at each other.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
Like holy, shit this is gonna be.

Speaker 19 (01:54:24):
Amazing and so he played, it AND i thought it
just caught the vibe of the.

Speaker 3 (01:54:30):
Movie AND.

Speaker 19 (01:54:33):
I still think it surprises me every time it comes.
Up i'm not expecting.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
It we loved.

Speaker 19 (01:54:38):
It he was incredible and generous and just like had a,
wink you, know as he played. It and then he,
said should we pose for some? Pictures and so we
stood and we took some pictures With paul. McCartney AND
i got to, SAY i have a habit and it's really,
bad and it's LIKE i do the kind of thumbs

(01:55:01):
up thing in, pictures And i'd even been told by
people like that's like A paul McCartney.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
Thing stop.

Speaker 19 (01:55:11):
It and, so you, know without even thinking of, it
posing for a picture With paul McCartney after he plays
This Vanilla, Sky i'm standing there with him AND i
do the thumbs up and he looks at it and
goes no.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
No no no no no no no, no don't don't
get did?

Speaker 19 (01:55:28):
That so you, know it's LIKE i don't. Know it's
like Uh otani's, saying put down the. Bat you don't
belong to holding my. Bat you know WHAT i, mean
that's my. Thing stop.

Speaker 21 (01:55:42):
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Wilde theme song and music By Brad, paisley produced By
Will sterling And Ryan, tillotson with video editing By Daniel
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