December 5, 2025 • 16 mins
News broke overnight that Netflix is acquiring Warner Bros. Discovery in a cash-and-stock deal valued at $82.7 billion.
It’s a deal raising eyebrows in the entertainment industry, from Netflix competitors including Paramount — and reportedly even the White House.
On today’s Big Take, host David Gura sits down with Screentime writer and entertainment reporter Lucas Shaw to discuss the ins and outs of the deal, what we know about how it would impact viewers at home, and the regulatory challenges moving forward.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bloomberg Audio studios, podcasts, radio news.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
A tech powerhouse is buying one of Hollywood's oldest studios.
Netflix has announced a definitive agreement to acquire Warner Brothers Discovery.
It's a cash and stock deal valued at eighty two
point seven billion dollars including debt.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
That became a three horse race between Comcast, Netflix, and Paramount.
At the outset of that, people thought that Paramount was
the favorite. Paramount came on really aggressive. They started this
process right. They made three unsolicited offers.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That's Lucas Shaw, who writes the screen Time newsletter for
Bloomberg and reports on the entertainment industry. He and his
team broke story after story as this deal came together,
and Lucas says, Friday's announcement was, if you step back,
a huge surprise.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Netflix has never done a deal anything close to this size.
I don't think they've ever done a deal that was
a billion dollars, let alone eighty three billion dollars. They
have been averse to the regulatory headaches to come with
deals like this. They've been they don't like the complications
internally of integrating and combining and all of that. Less
than two months ago, I interviewed co CEO Greg Peters,
(01:14):
and he said, these types of deals don't usually work.
There's been some reports around you guys being interested in
Warner Brothers Discovery. Is there any truth for that.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I'd say this, you know, we come from a deep
perriage of being builders rather than buyers. I also think
that it's you know, one should have a reasonal amount
of skepticism around big media mergers. They don't have an
amazing track record over you know, the history of time.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
The companies expect it will take more than a year
for this deal to close, and regulators will have to
approve it. Netflix is not buying all of Warner Brothers Discovery.
It's not interested in CNN and TNT and other Warner
Brothers networks. What Netflix is getting is a huge library
of films and TV shows.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Warner Brothers is one of the great studios in the
history of Hollywood. Its movie studio is more than a
century old, has a rich history, owns a catalog of
great titles that are both appealing to people on a
streaming service, and also write for remakes and reimagining. Its
television studio is, by most metrics, the biggest and most
(02:19):
productive television studio in the world. It basically produces hit
shows for everyone. Then you throw an HBO, which is
one of the great brands in modern entertainment again, has
a tremendous library, has a programming team that has continued
to make shows that people want. That library, those titles
are what Netflix was interested in. They have always said
(02:40):
that is the one type of thing that they would buy.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
The way the deal will reshape Hollywood remains to be seen,
but in the meantime, Lucas says it marks a milestone
for the entertainment industry.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It puts one of the oldest and most powerful studios
in the hands of a company that was until recently
seen and maybe still is seen as sort of a
Silicon Valley interloper.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I'm David Gera, and this is the big take from
Bloomberg News today on the show Netflix wins the bidding
war for Warner Brothers Discovery, the details of the deal,
what it means for US viewers, how Netflix's rivals are reacting,
and what if anything stands in the way. When Netflix
(03:27):
and Warner Brothers Discovery announced this deal, Netflix's co CEO
Ted Sarandos touted the quote incredible library of shows and
movies the company is acquiring, from Casablanca to The Sopranos
to Game of Thrones. Netflix customers will have a lot
more to watch. But Bloomberg's Lucas Shaw says Netflix may
have another motive.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
If you wanted a more pessimistic take on why Netflix
is doing this and why they're doing it now, it
would be that Netflix growth has slowed over the years,
that it is looking ahead at the future of the
company and trying to figure out how it will next grow,
and it's not sure, and so it is doing the
(04:08):
classic kind of big company thing where it's going to
grow through acquisition and believe that buying another big company
is going to solve something for them. I think there's
reason to be skeptical that this will have a huge impact.
Is adding the Warner Brothers library going to make people
more likely to sign up for Netflix less likely to cancel?
(04:32):
And it might on the margins, But is it going
to do so to the tune of paying seventy eighty
billion dollars for something You were on the conference call
Friday morning. You've been talking to sources. What do they
say about what this experience is going to be like
for viewers. Is everything going to.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Be branded as Netflix is going to kind of live
on as Warner Brothers going to live on as a
discrete property within that empire. What's it going to look
like for you and for me?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It's unclear at the moment. They are saying that Warner
Brothers will continue to sort operate in its current form,
so that means Warner Brothers movies will still be released
in theaters, Warner Brothers Television Studio will still produce for
third parties, Warner Brothers Studio will continue to license it's
film and television to third parties, and HBO will continue
(05:17):
in some form as well. They're not going into a
tremendous amount of detail beyond that. I'm sure they have
a lot of thoughts on it. I wouldn't be surprised
if they haven't even answered that, because keep in mind
that it's been basically a month of them really being
in it with this deal, and they've been focused on
getting the deal done. They've obviously run models on what
it would look like and ya YadA, YadA, YadA, but
(05:38):
they now have twelve to eighteen months to try to
figure out what they actually want to do with this
asset that they've bought. You know, the big question for
the consumer, other than am I going to get movies
in theaters? Is what's going to happen with HBO and
HBO Max. Am I going to continue to pay for
that as a separate service? Is it going to be
an ad on to Netflix? Are they just going to
fold all that stuff into Netflix. I think what they're
(06:00):
going to do is they're going to take some of
the titles that are in the library right now, say Friends,
and that would just be available to all Netflix customers.
There's no reason to gate keep that on HBO. With HBO,
they will either fully integrate that in the Netflix and
just raise the price of Netflix. I think that's less likely.
I think the slightly more likely scenario is that they
create a add on where you can add on HBO
(06:24):
for five or ten dollars a month to your Netflix subscription.
Because this is already something that Amazon and Apple and
others do right they sell channels, and if Netflix is
trying to be the app that you come to to
watch everything, why not make that the base.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
What does this mean for the entertainment business? I saw
a former Warner Brothers CEO tweet after this deal was announced.
If I was tasked with doing so, I could not
think of a more effective way to reduce competition in
Hollywood than selling Warner Brothers Discovery to Netflix. How does
this change the terrain of Hollywood?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It is like the ultimate conquest of this tech takeover
of the entertainment business that you now have Netflix buying
Warner Brothers. I think the only thing that could be
more symbolic would be Netflix buying Disney or Apple buying Disney.
A lot of people are worried about the concentration of
power or like the more day to day stuff, and
(07:16):
I don't know that it immediately changes it that much.
It may change it less than Paramount buying Warner Brothers, right,
because then you have two studios that are very similar combining.
Part of the Netflix argument was like, we don't really
have a studio like Warner Brothers. We can keep it
mostly intact. We will not fire as many people. But
I do think that the average person in Hollywood is
freaked out because they didn't really think this was going
(07:39):
to happen, right. I think most people thought Ellison was
going to do it. The Paramount bid and now having Netflix,
this company that is completely up ended the business model
in the entertainment business that is, you know, respected, but
also in some cases sort of feared and loathed by many.
Now being in possession of this crown jewel and with
(07:59):
great un certainty about what that will look like. I
just think people are uncertain, but uncertain because change is scary,
not because they really know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
When you look at the numbers here, Warner Brothers shareholders
receiving twenty seven to seventy five a share in cash
and stock in Netflix. Total equity value of the deal
seventy two billion, enterprise value eighty two point seven billion.
What makes those numbers make sentence for Netflix? And I
guess looking at the other side of the coin, what
made this a compelling argument for the board of Warner
Brothers Discovery.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
When news first broke that Paramount was interested in buying
Warner Brothers, the company was trading for at less than
fifteen dollars a share, So it's getting paid, depending on
how you calculate it, about double what it was trading
app before all this started. So that's obviously a good
deal for the shareholders. As for how the number works
for Netflix. They swear that they've run their models and
(08:51):
they actually think that there is more value to be
extracted than they have in the deal. Now, you're obviously
going to say that when you do the deal, because
you're trying to justify it to your shareholders, to your
board members. I think there's been some concern among investors
over the last month, and Netflix share prices ticked down
pretty consistently as it's become more and more likely that
this is going to happen. I think shareholders and investors
(09:12):
and board members are probably also a little nervous that
just about what this will mean for this company. One
of the reasons it has succeeded is focus and not
doing things like this. But look, they get to the
math clearly because they think that they can improve the
core business of Netflix by adding some of those Warner
Brothers properties. It will allow them to reduce churn, raise prices,
(09:34):
make it even stickier, maybe if they do sell Hbo
as an add on. And they are now venturing into
businesses that are complementary that they have avoided, whether that's
consumer products, theatrical releases, Warner Brothers owns, video game studio,
Netflix has tried to get video game business going and
it hasn't been super successful. So you know, they clearly
(09:54):
believe that this makes them more valuable in the future.
Whether that will be true, time will tell.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
One of Netflix's rival bidders was Paramount sky Dance. That
company has complained about how the bidding war unfolded, raising
the question of whether it will pursue legal action. We'll
get into that after the break. The competition for Warner
(10:26):
Brothers Discovery began after Paramount sky Dance made an unsolicited
offer to buy the company. For a while, it seemed
like Paramount Skydance, fresh off another media megadeal, was the
front runner, but in late October, Warner Brothers announced it
was considering a broad range of options. Comcast and Netflix
through their hats in the Ring and Bloomberg's Lucas Shaw
(10:47):
says in the end, personality and ego may have been
big factors.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I think, you know, Paramount came on really aggressive. They
started this process right. They made three unsolicited offers, and
there was a confidence and some might even say an
arrogance in the way that they went about it, where
they felt all along, we are the only ones who
can get this deal approved, we are the best offer.
I think they looked around and they were like, there's
(11:12):
no way that Comcast is going to be able to
do this. Trump wouldn't allow it. Amazon and Apple probably
don't want to do it, and even if they did,
is Trump really going to allow it? And I just
think most people never thought Netflix was going to go
this far. You know, you look at the leaders. David
Ellison doesn't really have a relationship with David's As I have.
In fact, he they fought a lot over this South
(11:34):
Park kind of licensing deal that Warner Brothers sued over.
Now that predated David Elison taking over Paramount, but David
Elison did not solve it coming into Paramount. Meanwhile, Ted
Sarandas has spent a lot of the last year becoming
buddies with David's as. I've sitting courtside at Nicks games,
watching UFC fights, and I think people probably underestimate how
(11:57):
much that stuff matters. Like David's As love to CEO
the company. A lot of people on the board like him,
Like I spoke with someone who sort of travels in
these circles last night, and that was what they chalked
it up to was like Ted knew how to play
the game in David Ellison didn't, and that pushed him
over the edge. If the deals are pretty equal, which
they are.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I know that you saw the letter that I did
from Quinn Emmanuel Paramount's law firm, directed to David's as
Lava as all of this was in its late stages,
kind of crying foul about this process, alleging that Paramount
had been unfairly maligned here as it unfolded. Does Paramount
have any recourse here legally? Can it push any buttons,
move any levers regulatorily? What's it able to do going
(12:40):
forward here?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Well, they've been laying the groundwork for that, sending these
letters to Warner Brothers, saying that the process was unfair,
the management was biased towards Netflix and steered it that way,
and they made a last minute change to David tasaf
contract that made it easier for the Netflix deal, and YadA, YadA, YadA.
I was told by someone close to David ELL's and
on Thursday night that they would inevitably sue Warner Brothers
(13:03):
over this. I don't know if they will. I'm not
a legal expert on that, so I'm not sure exactly
how it'll play out and whether they will choose to
fight it themselves or whether they will really lobby the
president hard and legislators hard. I mean, we've already seen
politicians on both sides of the political aisle come out
(13:24):
and say they're against the deal, Daryl Isa well before
Elizabeth Warren just Friday morning. I'm sure we'll see more
come out, and I guess, you know, the big open
question is where exactly does Donald Trump stand on this,
because he is seen as being close to the Ellisons.
But I also know that Netflix has been putting in
(13:45):
the time to try to improve its relationship with the administration.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Do you see this as a done deal or how
much are you thinking that that you know, potential regulatory difficulty,
legal difficulties could complicate this process coming out the way
both of these companies hope it will.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I think it's a lot of that is going to
depend on where the presidential administration lands on it. You know,
Netflix's argument against Paramount was always that it wouldn't fly
master overseas or with state attorneys general. It's possible that
states will come out to try to fight it if
there's enough outcry. It's certainly possible this will get reviewed
in other countries, given Netflix's might in much of the world.
(14:23):
But I feel like it's really hard to predict or
guess on on anti trust and deals right now because
our kind of political situation is so unorthodox, and so
much of this deal also depends on, like, how are
you defining a market right? If you are looking very
narrowly at market share in Hollywood produced streaming content, whereas
(14:48):
Hollywood streaming services like specifically hollowed, so excluding you know, YouTube,
then Netflix has a substantial share of that market. If
you're looking at streaming, Netflix is the second biggest player,
but it's a minority. It's a minority in the market,
less than a third of the market. Even with this,
it'd probably be less. If you're looking at television in
(15:10):
the US, Netflix is less than ten percent of the market.
The combined company still smaller than YouTube, So a lot
of it's going to depend on how people look at
it and what they see as fair or unfair.
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
A tech powerhouse is buying one of Hollywood's oldest studios.
Netflix has announced a definitive agreement to acquire Warner Brothers Discovery.
It's a cash and stock deal valued at eighty two
point seven billion dollars including debt.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
That became a three horse race between Comcast, Netflix, and Paramount.
At the outset of that, people thought that Paramount was
the favorite. Paramount came on really aggressive. They started this
process right. They made three unsolicited offers.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That's Lucas Shaw, who writes the screen Time newsletter for
Bloomberg and reports on the entertainment industry. He and his
team broke story after story as this deal came together,
and Lucas says, Friday's announcement was, if you step back,
a huge surprise.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Netflix has never done a deal anything close to this size.
I don't think they've ever done a deal that was
a billion dollars, let alone eighty three billion dollars. They
have been averse to the regulatory headaches to come with
deals like this. They've been they don't like the complications
internally of integrating and combining and all of that. Less
than two months ago, I interviewed co CEO Greg Peters,
(01:14):
and he said, these types of deals don't usually work.
There's been some reports around you guys being interested in
Warner Brothers Discovery. Is there any truth for that.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I'd say this, you know, we come from a deep
perriage of being builders rather than buyers. I also think
that it's you know, one should have a reasonal amount
of skepticism around big media mergers. They don't have an
amazing track record over you know, the history of time.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
The companies expect it will take more than a year
for this deal to close, and regulators will have to
approve it. Netflix is not buying all of Warner Brothers Discovery.
It's not interested in CNN and TNT and other Warner
Brothers networks. What Netflix is getting is a huge library
of films and TV shows.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Warner Brothers is one of the great studios in the
history of Hollywood. Its movie studio is more than a
century old, has a rich history, owns a catalog of
great titles that are both appealing to people on a
streaming service, and also write for remakes and reimagining. Its
television studio is, by most metrics, the biggest and most
(02:19):
productive television studio in the world. It basically produces hit
shows for everyone. Then you throw an HBO, which is
one of the great brands in modern entertainment again, has
a tremendous library, has a programming team that has continued
to make shows that people want. That library, those titles
are what Netflix was interested in. They have always said
(02:40):
that is the one type of thing that they would buy.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
The way the deal will reshape Hollywood remains to be seen,
but in the meantime, Lucas says it marks a milestone
for the entertainment industry.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It puts one of the oldest and most powerful studios
in the hands of a company that was until recently
seen and maybe still is seen as sort of a
Silicon Valley interloper.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I'm David Gera, and this is the big take from
Bloomberg News today on the show Netflix wins the bidding
war for Warner Brothers Discovery, the details of the deal,
what it means for US viewers, how Netflix's rivals are reacting,
and what if anything stands in the way. When Netflix
(03:27):
and Warner Brothers Discovery announced this deal, Netflix's co CEO
Ted Sarandos touted the quote incredible library of shows and
movies the company is acquiring, from Casablanca to The Sopranos
to Game of Thrones. Netflix customers will have a lot
more to watch. But Bloomberg's Lucas Shaw says Netflix may
have another motive.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
If you wanted a more pessimistic take on why Netflix
is doing this and why they're doing it now, it
would be that Netflix growth has slowed over the years,
that it is looking ahead at the future of the
company and trying to figure out how it will next grow,
and it's not sure, and so it is doing the
(04:08):
classic kind of big company thing where it's going to
grow through acquisition and believe that buying another big company
is going to solve something for them. I think there's
reason to be skeptical that this will have a huge impact.
Is adding the Warner Brothers library going to make people
more likely to sign up for Netflix less likely to cancel?
(04:32):
And it might on the margins, But is it going
to do so to the tune of paying seventy eighty
billion dollars for something You were on the conference call
Friday morning. You've been talking to sources. What do they
say about what this experience is going to be like
for viewers. Is everything going to.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Be branded as Netflix is going to kind of live
on as Warner Brothers going to live on as a
discrete property within that empire. What's it going to look
like for you and for me?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It's unclear at the moment. They are saying that Warner
Brothers will continue to sort operate in its current form,
so that means Warner Brothers movies will still be released
in theaters, Warner Brothers Television Studio will still produce for
third parties, Warner Brothers Studio will continue to license it's
film and television to third parties, and HBO will continue
(05:17):
in some form as well. They're not going into a
tremendous amount of detail beyond that. I'm sure they have
a lot of thoughts on it. I wouldn't be surprised
if they haven't even answered that, because keep in mind
that it's been basically a month of them really being
in it with this deal, and they've been focused on
getting the deal done. They've obviously run models on what
it would look like and ya YadA, YadA, YadA, but
(05:38):
they now have twelve to eighteen months to try to
figure out what they actually want to do with this
asset that they've bought. You know, the big question for
the consumer, other than am I going to get movies
in theaters? Is what's going to happen with HBO and
HBO Max. Am I going to continue to pay for
that as a separate service? Is it going to be
an ad on to Netflix? Are they just going to
fold all that stuff into Netflix. I think what they're
(06:00):
going to do is they're going to take some of
the titles that are in the library right now, say Friends,
and that would just be available to all Netflix customers.
There's no reason to gate keep that on HBO. With HBO,
they will either fully integrate that in the Netflix and
just raise the price of Netflix. I think that's less likely.
I think the slightly more likely scenario is that they
create a add on where you can add on HBO
(06:24):
for five or ten dollars a month to your Netflix subscription.
Because this is already something that Amazon and Apple and
others do right they sell channels, and if Netflix is
trying to be the app that you come to to
watch everything, why not make that the base.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
What does this mean for the entertainment business? I saw
a former Warner Brothers CEO tweet after this deal was announced.
If I was tasked with doing so, I could not
think of a more effective way to reduce competition in
Hollywood than selling Warner Brothers Discovery to Netflix. How does
this change the terrain of Hollywood?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It is like the ultimate conquest of this tech takeover
of the entertainment business that you now have Netflix buying
Warner Brothers. I think the only thing that could be
more symbolic would be Netflix buying Disney or Apple buying Disney.
A lot of people are worried about the concentration of
power or like the more day to day stuff, and
(07:16):
I don't know that it immediately changes it that much.
It may change it less than Paramount buying Warner Brothers, right,
because then you have two studios that are very similar combining.
Part of the Netflix argument was like, we don't really
have a studio like Warner Brothers. We can keep it
mostly intact. We will not fire as many people. But
I do think that the average person in Hollywood is
freaked out because they didn't really think this was going
(07:39):
to happen, right. I think most people thought Ellison was
going to do it. The Paramount bid and now having Netflix,
this company that is completely up ended the business model
in the entertainment business that is, you know, respected, but
also in some cases sort of feared and loathed by many.
Now being in possession of this crown jewel and with
(07:59):
great un certainty about what that will look like. I
just think people are uncertain, but uncertain because change is scary,
not because they really know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
When you look at the numbers here, Warner Brothers shareholders
receiving twenty seven to seventy five a share in cash
and stock in Netflix. Total equity value of the deal
seventy two billion, enterprise value eighty two point seven billion.
What makes those numbers make sentence for Netflix? And I
guess looking at the other side of the coin, what
made this a compelling argument for the board of Warner
Brothers Discovery.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
When news first broke that Paramount was interested in buying
Warner Brothers, the company was trading for at less than
fifteen dollars a share, So it's getting paid, depending on
how you calculate it, about double what it was trading
app before all this started. So that's obviously a good
deal for the shareholders. As for how the number works
for Netflix. They swear that they've run their models and
(08:51):
they actually think that there is more value to be
extracted than they have in the deal. Now, you're obviously
going to say that when you do the deal, because
you're trying to justify it to your shareholders, to your
board members. I think there's been some concern among investors
over the last month, and Netflix share prices ticked down
pretty consistently as it's become more and more likely that
this is going to happen. I think shareholders and investors
(09:12):
and board members are probably also a little nervous that
just about what this will mean for this company. One
of the reasons it has succeeded is focus and not
doing things like this. But look, they get to the
math clearly because they think that they can improve the
core business of Netflix by adding some of those Warner
Brothers properties. It will allow them to reduce churn, raise prices,
(09:34):
make it even stickier, maybe if they do sell Hbo
as an add on. And they are now venturing into
businesses that are complementary that they have avoided, whether that's
consumer products, theatrical releases, Warner Brothers owns, video game studio,
Netflix has tried to get video game business going and
it hasn't been super successful. So you know, they clearly
(09:54):
believe that this makes them more valuable in the future.
Whether that will be true, time will tell.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
One of Netflix's rival bidders was Paramount sky Dance. That
company has complained about how the bidding war unfolded, raising
the question of whether it will pursue legal action. We'll
get into that after the break. The competition for Warner
(10:26):
Brothers Discovery began after Paramount sky Dance made an unsolicited
offer to buy the company. For a while, it seemed
like Paramount Skydance, fresh off another media megadeal, was the
front runner, but in late October, Warner Brothers announced it
was considering a broad range of options. Comcast and Netflix
through their hats in the Ring and Bloomberg's Lucas Shaw
(10:47):
says in the end, personality and ego may have been
big factors.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I think, you know, Paramount came on really aggressive. They
started this process right. They made three unsolicited offers, and
there was a confidence and some might even say an
arrogance in the way that they went about it, where
they felt all along, we are the only ones who
can get this deal approved, we are the best offer.
I think they looked around and they were like, there's
(11:12):
no way that Comcast is going to be able to
do this. Trump wouldn't allow it. Amazon and Apple probably
don't want to do it, and even if they did,
is Trump really going to allow it? And I just
think most people never thought Netflix was going to go
this far. You know, you look at the leaders. David
Ellison doesn't really have a relationship with David's As I have.
In fact, he they fought a lot over this South
(11:34):
Park kind of licensing deal that Warner Brothers sued over.
Now that predated David Elison taking over Paramount, but David
Elison did not solve it coming into Paramount. Meanwhile, Ted
Sarandas has spent a lot of the last year becoming
buddies with David's as. I've sitting courtside at Nicks games,
watching UFC fights, and I think people probably underestimate how
(11:57):
much that stuff matters. Like David's As love to CEO
the company. A lot of people on the board like him,
Like I spoke with someone who sort of travels in
these circles last night, and that was what they chalked
it up to was like Ted knew how to play
the game in David Ellison didn't, and that pushed him
over the edge. If the deals are pretty equal, which
they are.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I know that you saw the letter that I did
from Quinn Emmanuel Paramount's law firm, directed to David's as
Lava as all of this was in its late stages,
kind of crying foul about this process, alleging that Paramount
had been unfairly maligned here as it unfolded. Does Paramount
have any recourse here legally? Can it push any buttons,
move any levers regulatorily? What's it able to do going
(12:40):
forward here?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Well, they've been laying the groundwork for that, sending these
letters to Warner Brothers, saying that the process was unfair,
the management was biased towards Netflix and steered it that way,
and they made a last minute change to David tasaf
contract that made it easier for the Netflix deal, and YadA, YadA, YadA.
I was told by someone close to David ELL's and
on Thursday night that they would inevitably sue Warner Brothers
(13:03):
over this. I don't know if they will. I'm not
a legal expert on that, so I'm not sure exactly
how it'll play out and whether they will choose to
fight it themselves or whether they will really lobby the
president hard and legislators hard. I mean, we've already seen
politicians on both sides of the political aisle come out
(13:24):
and say they're against the deal, Daryl Isa well before
Elizabeth Warren just Friday morning. I'm sure we'll see more
come out, and I guess, you know, the big open
question is where exactly does Donald Trump stand on this,
because he is seen as being close to the Ellisons.
But I also know that Netflix has been putting in
(13:45):
the time to try to improve its relationship with the administration.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Do you see this as a done deal or how
much are you thinking that that you know, potential regulatory difficulty,
legal difficulties could complicate this process coming out the way
both of these companies hope it will.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I think it's a lot of that is going to
depend on where the presidential administration lands on it. You know,
Netflix's argument against Paramount was always that it wouldn't fly
master overseas or with state attorneys general. It's possible that
states will come out to try to fight it if
there's enough outcry. It's certainly possible this will get reviewed
in other countries, given Netflix's might in much of the world.
(14:23):
But I feel like it's really hard to predict or
guess on on anti trust and deals right now because
our kind of political situation is so unorthodox, and so
much of this deal also depends on, like, how are
you defining a market right? If you are looking very
narrowly at market share in Hollywood produced streaming content, whereas
(14:48):
Hollywood streaming services like specifically hollowed, so excluding you know, YouTube,
then Netflix has a substantial share of that market. If
you're looking at streaming, Netflix is the second biggest player,
but it's a minority. It's a minority in the market,
less than a third of the market. Even with this,
it'd probably be less. If you're looking at television in
(15:10):
the US, Netflix is less than ten percent of the market.
The combined company still smaller than YouTube, So a lot
of it's going to depend on how people look at
it and what they see as fair or unfair.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
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