September 21, 2025 • 33 mins
Kindbody doubles its size overnight through a major acquisition, with executives telling employees they'll be rich enough to buy private jets. In Episode 3 of IVF Disrupted: The Kindbody Story, Bloomberg reporter Jackie Davalos reports on internal documents revealing that the company is hemorrhaging cash. As layoffs reduce the number of patient-facing employees, one clinic's staffing crunch sets the stage for an error that led one woman to give up on her dream of motherhood.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
This series features conversations about pregnancy, complications and loss. Please
take care while listening. By the beginning of twenty twenty two,
kind Body was riding high. It had opened thirteen clinics
in ten cities, and then in February, the company announced
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a plan that would double its size. Kind Body said
it would acquire a larger competitor, a fertility chain called
Bios Fertility Institute. Unlike the venture capital and corporate world
that Kindbody's founder, Gina Bartesi came from, Bios was more
of a family business. It was founded in twenty fifteen
by a doctor named Angie Beltzos.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Angie is unique. She is extraordinarily talented as a physician,
and she has even more talent it as a clinical leader,
just as a leader in general.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's Gina talking to Griffin Jones, host of the Inside
Reproductive Health podcast, back in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
She knows a tremendous amount about business, about productivity, about margin.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
With Bios, kind Body immediately doubled its number of clinics
from thirteen to twenty six, and Gina wasn't done. She
had her sights set on doubling the number of clinics again.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
But we're opening Seattle, We're opening Dallas, Houston, Orange County, Miami, Charlotte,
We're opening Washington, DC next week. Our plan calls for
fifty locations within the next two years.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
In one of their first appearances as a new company,
executives from Bios and kind Body ring the bell at
the New York Stock Exchange. That summer, doctors and executives
from the two fertility companies gathered for a retreat in
Chicago to kick off this new chapter. At the front
of the room was Gina selling a vision of the future.
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A former marketing executive from kind Body remembers that day.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
We're coming together, Bios and kind Body. We're all on board.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
We are not using her real name. She and others
you'll hear from in this episode asked for anonymity because
kind Body has threatened legal action against employees they believed
were talking to journalists. A voice actor is reading what
she told me.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Here's where a focus is. Here's a motivator for the team.
I mean, Gina knows she knows how to command a room,
an excited room, and it was really just focused on
here's the growth. Here's how we're going to do it,
and we're all going to be so rich at the
end of this journey.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Gina Bartesi declined to comment for this series. A spokeswoman
said this was because of quote multiple factual inaccuracies, as
well as continued biased reporting given Bloomberg's lack of context
provide to readers regarding the fertility industry kind body and
her role as an experienced leader in the field. Asked
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to identify specific inaccuracies, the spokeswoman declined to comment. Part
of the biosteal was that after the acquisition, Gina would
step back a CEO. She would stay on as chairman
of the board, but would hand over the reigns of
day to day operations in an effort to make room
for the Bios executives. Gina knew a lot about employee benefits,
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egg freezing, and how to raise money, but the next
phase of growth needed leaders who knew how to grow
multiple IVF clinics at once, and Gina saw the founder
of Bios, Angie Beltzos, as the person who could do that.
Here's Gina again on the Inside Reproductive Health podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Now I will tell you Angie has uped the game.
A lot of doctors I talked to are very comfortable
doing one hundred and fifty cases a year, and they
say that listen, I do ten to twelve cases them up.
I sell an IVF cycle for twenty five thousand dollars
and that's my model.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
With Angie's help, Gina envisioned higher volumes of IVF.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You look at the physician productivity of her doctors and
it's extraordinary. One of her lead physicians did more than
one thousand cases last year. That's extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Kind Bodies leaders also had their site set on an
initial public offering, the kind of move that can bring
a big payout for those who got into the company early.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
He is the rocket ship analogy a lot.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
We are on a rocket ship to the moon, and.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Then he always talked about, like the rocket ship, we're
going to like last to the moon and help everyone's fertility.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
We're gonna get yellow planes. Everyone's gonna have a yellow plane.
Who's gonna buy the first plane?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Blind Bline. Amid all the talk of private jets and
worldwide expansion, the acquisition had saddled Kind Body with more
financial pressure, and it came at a time when the
start up was already struggling with operational issues from Bloomberg
and iHeart podcasts. This is IVF disrupted the kind Body story.
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I'm Jackie Devalos. That spring, the two companies came together.
Employees were told it was the start of kind Body's
most exciting chapter.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
One of the executives who came over from Bios who
were calling Emily remembers the promises made. An actor is
reading what she told me.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It was a huge part of the deal was that
people wouldn't lose their jobs because the two companies came together,
that there was more than enough work to go around.
If we had redundant positions. We were growing, so let's
figure out how to reallocate someone, train someone on something new.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
But the deal in kind Body's aggressive growth plans that
followed it were based on overly rosy assumptions, according to
what I heard from current and former executives. The company
didn't disclose how much it paid to buy Bios, but
former executives tell me it was substantial. Kind Body had
used up a lot of its cash and the expectation
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was that the deal would result in more people coming
through the doors. The Bios locations were already up and running,
and they were quickly remodeled to fit the kind Body aesthetic.
These clinics were also profitable, something kind Body couldn't say
about many of its other clinics. According to internal documents,
I saw Atlanta, Austin, and some California locations were burning
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through cash. This wasn't part of the plan. When they'd
originally opened. Kind Body had expected the retail centric clinics
would attract a flood of new people looking for fertility services.
They also expected deals with employers to translate into a
steady flow of business, but former employees and executives told
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me it was more of a trick. Part of the
reason is because people just weren't using their IVF benefit
at the rate kind Body had projected. Another challenge was
that IVF patients take time to cultivate to build trust with.
Even so, the company continued to spend and expand they
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were banking on patient volume catching up. Here's Emily the
former bios employee, again.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
The honeymoonish period was probably maybe nine months. We weren't
getting IVF patients in the door. We weren't building the
IVF volume to then grow and hit the projections. That
we had if you work backwards. The numbers were created
on bad math. So yes, of course you have to
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make hard decisions if you're not hitting your projections.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
By the fall of twenty twenty two, layoffs began, and
according to Emily, they were done in waves.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
The first round of layoffs just laid a horrific foundation
for profound anxiety. They're often rolling layoffs. There might have
been an initial batch and then everyone felt like, Okay,
I'm safe, and then two, three, four weeks later others
would trickle out, and that hit to productivity cannot be understated.
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People were not able to do their best work ever. Again, really,
there was always this concern that they would be next.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
According to internal documents, the cuts hit hardest among those
working directly with patients, medical assistance, billing staff, and a
roll kind body called financial navigators. Financial navigators worked remotely
handling patients across all kind body clinics. Here's one of them.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
So I feel like the financial navigator is probably next
to the doctor. We will basically come in and we
will go over your benefits, we will verify anything. We
will be the person who gets any authorizations. If you
have insurance, we will then cancel you on anything that's
going into come out of pocket for you. If you
didn't pay, then you can't start your cycle. We're essentially
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the last person you talked to before you start treatment.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
For patients, financial navigators were more than just number crunchers.
They were guides through a complex and costly journey where
a single cycle of IVF could cost as much as
sixteen thousand dollars. But as the layoffs continued, the remaining
navigators found themselves overwhelmed.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Here's another There was probably ten or twelve people on
our team, and then at one point there were three
or four of us, and we were in charge of
all of the markets, all of the offices. And then
it was just like here's more work, and here's more work,
and here's more work, to the point where we were
on the phone with each other and on meetings with
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each other just breaking down crime.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
We had to do the phone calls, we had to
cut the money, we had to check the cycles, the schedules, like,
we had to do all of it, and we had
no help. I was drowning.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
We were like, this rocket ship is like nose diving
right now, and if we're not going to jump off right. Now,
we're all doomed. There's no one on this rocket ship
that is going to survive.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
The two financial navigators said they worried the mounting workload
would open them up to mistakes.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
People are going to make errors. Things are going to happen,
The stations are going to happen. You would quote the
wrong amount, You could send the wrong patience financial estimate
to the wrong patient, you could attach the wrong thing.
Like we have to double check and triple track everything,
and if you didn't send the authorization with the right codes,
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you'd have to go and start the whole process again,
which is a two week process than now, putting off
the patient's treatment.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
With IVF, timing is everything. You're trying to sync up
multiple biological processes that normally happen naturally over weeks, from
getting the eggs to mature at just the right time
to ensuring the uterine lining is perfectly ready for implantation.
If your timing is off even by a day or two,
the whole cycle could be unsuccessful because embryos need exactly
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the right conditions at exactly the right moment to have
the best chance of developing into a healthy pregnancy.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
But if you made a mistake, it was the worst
thing in the entire world.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Patients frustrations with kind Body started showing up in negative
reviews online. The company was now being criticized for exactly
what it claimed to be fixing confusing bills, hitting costs,
and a lack of transparency. Patients described getting unexpected charges
weeks after procedures, insurance claims that were filed incorrectly, and
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authorizations that arrived too late. These weren't just administrative headaches
for patients already stretching their finances to afford fertility treatment.
These mistakes could mean the difference between starting a cycle
or having to wait months to save up again. In
the c suite, some executives were losing confidence. Kind Body's
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high profile CFO had quit after less than a year
on the job, and then the chief scientific officer left
the company. I reached out to both of them, and
neither wanted to speak to me for this podcast because
they signed non disclosure agreements. In written comments, kind Body
told me it hired more customer service staff and made
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significant improvements to its billing processes. It disputed that the
former chief scientific officer lost confidence in the organization. And
said executives leave companies for various, often innocuous reasons. For
doctors and lab staff, the chief scientific officer leaving was
more than just another executive departure. He had been the
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guardian of their scientific protocols, the person ensuring that the complex,
precise work of creating and handling embryos was done right.
Here's Emily, the former Bios executive again.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I think you can see some of the personnel changes
in the chief scientific officer role, and a lot of
movement in terms of who was in charge of labs
and people had to step in in interim fashions and
people left. Physicians were concerned. You can't just go grab
a benchtop scientist. It takes years, years to train as
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skilled embryologist, and if you treat them as disposable people,
the word spreads.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
The pressure to do more with less was already trickling
from the corporate offices all the way down to the
labs and in at Atlanta. Another preventable mistake would change
a woman's life forever. That's coming up. By the time
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Vernita Pearsall started at Kind Bodies Atlanta Clinic in the
fall of twenty twenty two, the cracks were starting to show.
Speaker 8 (14:20):
It seemed as if there was a revolving door when
it came to employees in the Atlanta office.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Vernita had seen her share of medical practices, but nothing
quite like this. While other kind body locations were also struggling,
she says, Atlanta was in free fall.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
At one point, a lot of the executives came to
the office in Atlanta due to things occurring with so
much turnaround.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I saw an internal presentation that backed up what Vernita
was seeing. The Atlanta clinic had a staggering sixty four
percent turnover rate among its clinical staff. To handle the volume,
staff was told to move patients through their appointments even faster.
Speaker 8 (15:07):
It was that feeling of a conveyor belt going in,
going out next, going in, going out next, And it
looked aesthetically like a soothing place, but in all actuality
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that was not the case. It was pretty much let's
get them in, let's get them out.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Former employees told me. Staff inside the embryology lab, which
required the most precise and time intensive work, was burned out.
They struggled to keep up with a patient load that
kept growing even as their team kept shrinking.
Speaker 8 (15:48):
A lot of times. They were there before I started,
and they were there after I would go home, and
they had to work many weekends, many holidays.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
In text messages shared with me, one embryologist in Atlanta
told a fellow staffer quote, I have to be coach,
quarterback and wide receiver. We do not have the space,
equipment and people for this level of volume. It's dangerous
and not sustainable. I spoke to five former embryologists who
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worked in the Atlantic Clinic. They all described the same
crushing workload, the constant turnover, the feeling that it was
only a matter of time before something went wrong, and
then one day, in March of twenty twenty three, it did.
Among the dozens of patient reviews and complaints I encountered
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while reporting this story, one stood out. A Google review
that described a disappointing experience at the Atlantic Clinic. It
was a devastating error, one that would reveal just how
dangerous Kind Bodies staffing crime had become. Here's Vernita reading
the review.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
She put, I recently had a very disappointing experience with
Kind Body Fertility Clinic that I cannot in good conscience recommend. Unfortunately,
they gave me the wrong measurement of medication during my treatment,
which led to a lot of complications and stress. Despite
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all the issues, we were able to proceed with one
embryo for transfer.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
On the day of the transfer, however, things went from
bad to worse. The clinic staff were unable to identify,
Oh my God, which embryo was ours because they had
some unlabeled embryos in their storage. This was extremely frustrating
and concerning, and left thus feeling very uncertain about the
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entire process.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I spoke to four employees who were at the Atlanta
location the day this review is about. None would speak
on the record, fearing legal retaliation from Kind Body, but
the patient herself agreed to talk with me when I
traveled to Atlanta to investigate what happened. She asked not
to be identified, explaining that as an immigrant in a
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tight knit religious community, even sharing her story could have
serious consequences. A voice actor will read what she told me.
Speaker 9 (18:29):
We are religious people, and our community will avoid us
if they hear about this.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'll call her Ayana. She was thirty nine years old
when she walked into Kind Bodies Atlanta clinic that March morning,
carrying with her three years of hope and heartbreak. She'd
been through multiple egg retrievals, most unsuccessful. Out of the
few eggs they'd managed to retrieve, only one had developed
into a viable embryo. She was there that day for
her transfer, the culmination of a fertility journey.
Speaker 9 (19:00):
That was our only opportunity.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Instead, she and her husband spent three hours in a
waiting room before learning what happened.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
On the transfer date. When we reached there at twelve,
like midday, and they told us like about three o'clock,
like they were like, I don't know how to say it.
They were like messed up. They call everyone and like
put us in one room and like, I don't know.
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They hold us like more than three hours.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
When the doctor finally came in to explain, Ayana could
barely process the words.
Speaker 9 (19:38):
They just stand in front of me. I was crying.
They told us they don't have the embryo.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
They're one embryo. Their only chance at having a child
had been mislabeled. The clinic had an embryo, but they
said they couldn't be sure it was a Yana's. The
only way to confirm would be through genetic testing, a
procedure that carried its own risks. Many patients choose to
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genetically test embryos before a transfer to make sure they
have the correct number of chromosomes. It helps detect abnormalities
that can result in serious genetic conditions that process, though
it has its own risks. It involves taking a little
piece of the embryo and can sometimes damage it. Some
doctors recommend that patients who don't have a lot of
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embryos to work with skip such testing. Ayana and her
husband had opted not to do genetic testing before, and
they didn't want to do it now because of her
religious beliefs. Ayana said she would have carried the baby
even if they had detected an abnormality, but.
Speaker 9 (20:46):
They told us, we have one option, which is they
need to test it to know if it is ours
or not. The situation pushed us to do that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Despite her misgivings, she went ahead and got the test.
A kind body doctor called and confirmed the embryo was
indeed theirs, but revealed something else, an abnormality. Ayana said
the doctor didn't tell her what the abnormality was and
didn't explain the results. The doctor only told her that
the embryo had to be discarded. Normally, when an embryo
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is genetically tested, patients get a copy of the report,
and a doctor or a counselor walks a patient through
what it means. But Ayana told me she and her
husband weren't given any paperwork, and no one explained what
the test had revealed about their last embryo. Many patients
who go through IVF have a hard time knowing what
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to ask in these tense moments. For Ayana, she says
the fact that English was not her first language made
it even more difficult. Discarding an embryo was a big
decision and went against Ayana's religious principles. She said she
felt pushed into a decision she didn't want to make,
but she also felt she didn't have any information to
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be able to push back. The doctor was apologetic and
offered a free round of IVF.
Speaker 9 (22:11):
She told me, if you work with us, if you
continue with us, we offer you another cycle. We will
take care of everything.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I talked to kind Body when I first learned of
this incident. A spokeswoman said that kind Body bought a
tracking system to try to minimize human errors. It's called
electronic witnessing, and it gives each patience eggs, sperm, and
embryos unique barcodes that must be scanned at every step.
The software tracks who handles the materials and when requiring
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verification before allowing procedures to move forward. A Kind Body
spokeswoman said at the time that this technology was used
in ninety percent of its labs, and she says that
now it's used in all of them, But former employees
told me the problem was that they weren't properly trained
on how to use it, something that Kind Body disputes.
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My story about lab errors at kind Body was published
in October of twenty twenty three, two months after I
spoke with Yana. In it, I wrote about what happened
to Ayana, to Dina and b and to other patients.
I'd learned of multiple incidents of embryos being mislabeled, lost,
or accidentally destroyed at four different Kind Body clinics. After
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my article was published, Gina wrote a blog post in response.
It said, in part quote, I'm proud that our doctors
are candid and tell the patient the truth rather than
hide any mistake made by a human in the lab.
We also buy upsided the embryo to ensure its genetic material,
and it came back and euploidy, which meant it was
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abnormal and would likely have not have been transferred anyway,
So we didn't have to be honest, but we were.
The outcome would have been the same an unsuccessful IVF cycle,
which on fortunately happens about one third of the time,
and even the best IVF clinics, including our own. But
Ayana told me she felt robbed of the opportunity of
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at least trying to transfer the embryo as planned. When
we spoke about six months after the error was discovered,
she said it didn't matter if it had been abnormal,
that God had gifted them that one embryo and it
was their choice, their chance to take. On top of that,
she had doubts about whether kind body was even telling
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the truth about the abnormality. She kept thinking why had
they jumped to discard the embryo so quickly, Why wasn't
she at least given the chance to transfer, And unlike
other patients who might have sought legal recourse, she said
she felt trapped by her circumstances.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
The situation. If it was different people like Americans, it
was different. I think if it happened on you. For example,
I think think it was like not this. Maybe you
sue them, you do something. But I'm a foreigner and
I'm religious, so my situation doesn't allow me to do anything.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Ayana opted to do the free cycle kind Body offered,
but it didn't yield any eggs. By that point, Ayana
was forty. After six IVF cycles and tens of thousands
of dollars spent, she and her husband started looking into
adoption instead. It's really hard to get a complete picture
of what kind of errors may be happening in US
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fertility clinics, whether they're at kind Body or anyone else's.
It's not an easy question to answer because, unlike other
types of medical facilities, there is no regulation requiring fertility
clinics to track lost, mishandled, or destroyed embryos, let alone
report them to any public database. There's the Clinical Laboratory
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and Provement Amendments, also known as CLIA. It's a federal
statute that regulates testing and oversees some aspects of an
IVF clinic, like blood and semen testing. But crucially, CLIA
does not oversee the embryology lab, where the most sensitive
material is handled to fill the gap. Nonprofits and industry
groups have stepped in. The big one is CAP, also
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known as the College of American Pathologists. CAP issues guidelines
like how many people should be on staff or the
optimal temperature for the lab. Clinics can get CAP accreditation
if they adopt these measures, and getting the stamp of
approval lends credibility, but that's really it. CAP cannot shut
down a clinic if it finds it's not in compliance.
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In short, CAP has no teeth.
Speaker 10 (26:49):
There are guidelines, but there are no requirements.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
This is Evashennkman again. She's the embryologist who interviewed with
kind Body back when the company was just starting out.
He runs her own embryology school that trains young scientists
who want to go into IVF, and she consults for
clinics that want to open up labs of their own.
Speaker 10 (27:09):
Just like you can go to a department health website
and look up physicians record, you can see how often
they have malpractice claims. You don't have that for the laboratory.
You don't know who that wizard is behind the curtain.
Is that somebody you know who's been involved in several
major mix up cases, and even if they're doing something egregious,
there's no board that steps in and investigates. You know,
maybe this person shouldn't be working in the lab anymore.
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Maybe we can do some retraining so that this mistake
doesn't happen again. And that's the part that really started
to make me angry.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
There is no requirement for fertility clinics to report incidents
caused by human error or other preventable mistakes. By contrast,
Eva points out that some countries in Europe have regulatory
agencies that track mistakes.
Speaker 10 (27:53):
One of my colleagues there in Ireland sent me a
text message a couple of weeks ago when we're talking
about some of the issues here. She's like, you're really
telling me that you don't have to report if there's
a serious error in the lab, Like there's no proactive
reporting where you get somebody that comes in and investigates you.
I said, no, it is not, and that just blows
their mind. It was really shocking to them, because what
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prevents you from making that error once a year, twice
a year every other year. The vast majority of clinics
do a very good job in providing great care to patients.
But also how do we protect against the clinics that
aren't following the rules or following the guidelines.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Many of these errors are never known to people trying
to decide which fertility clinic to go to. You can't
google their error rates, and looking up a clinic's history
of lawsuits may not be that revealing. Many errors never
make it into the public record because patients sign arbitration
agreements that prohibit them from speaking publicly about what happened
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to them.
Speaker 11 (28:52):
And what's that about. It's because fertility clinics operate in
such a highly competitive space where a clinic never wants
to be known as that entity that has dropped somebody's
ex or embryos on the ground.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Adam Wolf is a partner at Piferwolf, a law firm
that specializes in fertility cases. Adam declined to say whether
he had cases with kind Body, but he did talk
about the kind of calls he gets all the time
from patients of fertility clinics.
Speaker 11 (29:22):
We get calls from people who are just devastated by
the results, usually the failures of their of the fertility
work from their fertility clinic. And sometimes that is just
the natural byproduct of fertility work. It's not always successful,
even under the best of circumstances. But in many of
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the occasions where our potential clients call us, what we
uncover is that the failure of a particular IVF cycle
or other work in a fertility clinic is the result
of misconduct or certain types of negligence.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Adam has seen some of the worst mistakes in this
field happen at all sorts of clinics. One of his
clients discovered after she gave birth that the baby boy
she had carried wasn't hers, and she was devastated when
she had to turn the baby over to his biological parents.
Another one of his clients alleged that their clinic let
seven of their embryos dry out, destroying all of them.
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The couple sued the clinic, but then reached a settlement
out of court. Adam says, the majority of incidents like
these never become public because.
Speaker 11 (30:36):
We end up settling those cases with a confidentiality agreement
that prohibits anybody from talking about that case or those
errors publicly. Now, that makes a lot of sense for
the fertility clinic which wants to hide its errors, but
it creates a big public problem, which is that the
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public doesn't know about the vast majority of errors that
we have seen in fertility clinics and that have caused
our clients to suffer.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Coming up on IVF disrupted the Kind Body story. With
Kind Bodies cash reserves dwindling, the question arises, do its
patients really need everything it's selling.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
At your white coat ceremony, which is the first thing
you participate in before you start med school. You take
that oath, and that oath is first, do no harm.
Speaker 12 (31:40):
My good friend who went through another clinic, she kept
kind of mentioning like because I was like, so, did
you pay for the extra however, couple hundred bucks for
embryo glue? She was like embryo glue. Like I never
heard of embryo glue. And I was like, oh, like,
we just paid four hundred bucks this round for embryo glue.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I just went through two weeks of medications and traveled
here and spent thousands of dollars for this procedure, and
you're telling me I didn't need to do it.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
I'm not a salesperson when it comes to medical care.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
IVF disrupted The Kind Body Story is reported and hosted
by me Jackie Devalos. The series is produced by Sean
Len and Jilda Decarly, editing by Caitlin Kenney, Jeff Grocott
and Joshua Brustein. Blake Maples is our sound engineer. Voice
acting in this episode was provided by Diana Johnston, Tina
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Marie Murray, and Rosanna Pilcher. Fact checking by Anica Robbins.
Bloomberg Senior Executive Editor for Technology is Tom Giles. Our
head of podcasting is Sage Bauman. You can reach us
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
This series features conversations about pregnancy, complications and loss. Please
take care while listening. By the beginning of twenty twenty two,
kind Body was riding high. It had opened thirteen clinics
in ten cities, and then in February, the company announced
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a plan that would double its size. Kind Body said
it would acquire a larger competitor, a fertility chain called
Bios Fertility Institute. Unlike the venture capital and corporate world
that Kindbody's founder, Gina Bartesi came from, Bios was more
of a family business. It was founded in twenty fifteen
by a doctor named Angie Beltzos.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Angie is unique. She is extraordinarily talented as a physician,
and she has even more talent it as a clinical leader,
just as a leader in general.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's Gina talking to Griffin Jones, host of the Inside
Reproductive Health podcast, back in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
She knows a tremendous amount about business, about productivity, about margin.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
With Bios, kind Body immediately doubled its number of clinics
from thirteen to twenty six, and Gina wasn't done. She
had her sights set on doubling the number of clinics again.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
But we're opening Seattle, We're opening Dallas, Houston, Orange County, Miami, Charlotte,
We're opening Washington, DC next week. Our plan calls for
fifty locations within the next two years.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
In one of their first appearances as a new company,
executives from Bios and kind Body ring the bell at
the New York Stock Exchange. That summer, doctors and executives
from the two fertility companies gathered for a retreat in
Chicago to kick off this new chapter. At the front
of the room was Gina selling a vision of the future.
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A former marketing executive from kind Body remembers that day.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
We're coming together, Bios and kind Body. We're all on board.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
We are not using her real name. She and others
you'll hear from in this episode asked for anonymity because
kind Body has threatened legal action against employees they believed
were talking to journalists. A voice actor is reading what
she told me.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Here's where a focus is. Here's a motivator for the team.
I mean, Gina knows she knows how to command a room,
an excited room, and it was really just focused on
here's the growth. Here's how we're going to do it,
and we're all going to be so rich at the
end of this journey.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Gina Bartesi declined to comment for this series. A spokeswoman
said this was because of quote multiple factual inaccuracies, as
well as continued biased reporting given Bloomberg's lack of context
provide to readers regarding the fertility industry kind body and
her role as an experienced leader in the field. Asked
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to identify specific inaccuracies, the spokeswoman declined to comment. Part
of the biosteal was that after the acquisition, Gina would
step back a CEO. She would stay on as chairman
of the board, but would hand over the reigns of
day to day operations in an effort to make room
for the Bios executives. Gina knew a lot about employee benefits,
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egg freezing, and how to raise money, but the next
phase of growth needed leaders who knew how to grow
multiple IVF clinics at once, and Gina saw the founder
of Bios, Angie Beltzos, as the person who could do that.
Here's Gina again on the Inside Reproductive Health podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Now I will tell you Angie has uped the game.
A lot of doctors I talked to are very comfortable
doing one hundred and fifty cases a year, and they
say that listen, I do ten to twelve cases them up.
I sell an IVF cycle for twenty five thousand dollars
and that's my model.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
With Angie's help, Gina envisioned higher volumes of IVF.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You look at the physician productivity of her doctors and
it's extraordinary. One of her lead physicians did more than
one thousand cases last year. That's extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Kind Bodies leaders also had their site set on an
initial public offering, the kind of move that can bring
a big payout for those who got into the company early.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
He is the rocket ship analogy a lot.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
We are on a rocket ship to the moon, and.
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Then he always talked about, like the rocket ship, we're
going to like last to the moon and help everyone's fertility.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
We're gonna get yellow planes. Everyone's gonna have a yellow plane.
Who's gonna buy the first plane?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Blind Bline. Amid all the talk of private jets and
worldwide expansion, the acquisition had saddled Kind Body with more
financial pressure, and it came at a time when the
start up was already struggling with operational issues from Bloomberg
and iHeart podcasts. This is IVF disrupted the kind Body story.
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I'm Jackie Devalos. That spring, the two companies came together.
Employees were told it was the start of kind Body's
most exciting chapter.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
One of the executives who came over from Bios who
were calling Emily remembers the promises made. An actor is
reading what she told me.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It was a huge part of the deal was that
people wouldn't lose their jobs because the two companies came together,
that there was more than enough work to go around.
If we had redundant positions. We were growing, so let's
figure out how to reallocate someone, train someone on something new.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
But the deal in kind Body's aggressive growth plans that
followed it were based on overly rosy assumptions, according to
what I heard from current and former executives. The company
didn't disclose how much it paid to buy Bios, but
former executives tell me it was substantial. Kind Body had
used up a lot of its cash and the expectation
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was that the deal would result in more people coming
through the doors. The Bios locations were already up and running,
and they were quickly remodeled to fit the kind Body aesthetic.
These clinics were also profitable, something kind Body couldn't say
about many of its other clinics. According to internal documents,
I saw Atlanta, Austin, and some California locations were burning
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through cash. This wasn't part of the plan. When they'd
originally opened. Kind Body had expected the retail centric clinics
would attract a flood of new people looking for fertility services.
They also expected deals with employers to translate into a
steady flow of business, but former employees and executives told
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me it was more of a trick. Part of the
reason is because people just weren't using their IVF benefit
at the rate kind Body had projected. Another challenge was
that IVF patients take time to cultivate to build trust with.
Even so, the company continued to spend and expand they
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were banking on patient volume catching up. Here's Emily the
former bios employee, again.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
The honeymoonish period was probably maybe nine months. We weren't
getting IVF patients in the door. We weren't building the
IVF volume to then grow and hit the projections. That
we had if you work backwards. The numbers were created
on bad math. So yes, of course you have to
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make hard decisions if you're not hitting your projections.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
By the fall of twenty twenty two, layoffs began, and
according to Emily, they were done in waves.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
The first round of layoffs just laid a horrific foundation
for profound anxiety. They're often rolling layoffs. There might have
been an initial batch and then everyone felt like, Okay,
I'm safe, and then two, three, four weeks later others
would trickle out, and that hit to productivity cannot be understated.
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People were not able to do their best work ever. Again, really,
there was always this concern that they would be next.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
According to internal documents, the cuts hit hardest among those
working directly with patients, medical assistance, billing staff, and a
roll kind body called financial navigators. Financial navigators worked remotely
handling patients across all kind body clinics. Here's one of them.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
So I feel like the financial navigator is probably next
to the doctor. We will basically come in and we
will go over your benefits, we will verify anything. We
will be the person who gets any authorizations. If you
have insurance, we will then cancel you on anything that's
going into come out of pocket for you. If you
didn't pay, then you can't start your cycle. We're essentially
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the last person you talked to before you start treatment.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
For patients, financial navigators were more than just number crunchers.
They were guides through a complex and costly journey where
a single cycle of IVF could cost as much as
sixteen thousand dollars. But as the layoffs continued, the remaining
navigators found themselves overwhelmed.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Here's another There was probably ten or twelve people on
our team, and then at one point there were three
or four of us, and we were in charge of
all of the markets, all of the offices. And then
it was just like here's more work, and here's more work,
and here's more work, to the point where we were
on the phone with each other and on meetings with
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each other just breaking down crime.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
We had to do the phone calls, we had to
cut the money, we had to check the cycles, the schedules, like,
we had to do all of it, and we had
no help. I was drowning.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
We were like, this rocket ship is like nose diving
right now, and if we're not going to jump off right. Now,
we're all doomed. There's no one on this rocket ship
that is going to survive.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
The two financial navigators said they worried the mounting workload
would open them up to mistakes.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
People are going to make errors. Things are going to happen,
The stations are going to happen. You would quote the
wrong amount, You could send the wrong patience financial estimate
to the wrong patient, you could attach the wrong thing.
Like we have to double check and triple track everything,
and if you didn't send the authorization with the right codes,
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you'd have to go and start the whole process again,
which is a two week process than now, putting off
the patient's treatment.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
With IVF, timing is everything. You're trying to sync up
multiple biological processes that normally happen naturally over weeks, from
getting the eggs to mature at just the right time
to ensuring the uterine lining is perfectly ready for implantation.
If your timing is off even by a day or two,
the whole cycle could be unsuccessful because embryos need exactly
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the right conditions at exactly the right moment to have
the best chance of developing into a healthy pregnancy.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
But if you made a mistake, it was the worst
thing in the entire world.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Patients frustrations with kind Body started showing up in negative
reviews online. The company was now being criticized for exactly
what it claimed to be fixing confusing bills, hitting costs,
and a lack of transparency. Patients described getting unexpected charges
weeks after procedures, insurance claims that were filed incorrectly, and
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authorizations that arrived too late. These weren't just administrative headaches
for patients already stretching their finances to afford fertility treatment.
These mistakes could mean the difference between starting a cycle
or having to wait months to save up again. In
the c suite, some executives were losing confidence. Kind Body's
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high profile CFO had quit after less than a year
on the job, and then the chief scientific officer left
the company. I reached out to both of them, and
neither wanted to speak to me for this podcast because
they signed non disclosure agreements. In written comments, kind Body
told me it hired more customer service staff and made
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significant improvements to its billing processes. It disputed that the
former chief scientific officer lost confidence in the organization. And
said executives leave companies for various, often innocuous reasons. For
doctors and lab staff, the chief scientific officer leaving was
more than just another executive departure. He had been the
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guardian of their scientific protocols, the person ensuring that the complex,
precise work of creating and handling embryos was done right.
Here's Emily, the former Bios executive again.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
I think you can see some of the personnel changes
in the chief scientific officer role, and a lot of
movement in terms of who was in charge of labs
and people had to step in in interim fashions and
people left. Physicians were concerned. You can't just go grab
a benchtop scientist. It takes years, years to train as
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skilled embryologist, and if you treat them as disposable people,
the word spreads.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
The pressure to do more with less was already trickling
from the corporate offices all the way down to the
labs and in at Atlanta. Another preventable mistake would change
a woman's life forever. That's coming up. By the time
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Vernita Pearsall started at Kind Bodies Atlanta Clinic in the
fall of twenty twenty two, the cracks were starting to show.
Speaker 8 (14:20):
It seemed as if there was a revolving door when
it came to employees in the Atlanta office.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Vernita had seen her share of medical practices, but nothing
quite like this. While other kind body locations were also struggling,
she says, Atlanta was in free fall.
Speaker 8 (14:40):
At one point, a lot of the executives came to
the office in Atlanta due to things occurring with so
much turnaround.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I saw an internal presentation that backed up what Vernita
was seeing. The Atlanta clinic had a staggering sixty four
percent turnover rate among its clinical staff. To handle the volume,
staff was told to move patients through their appointments even faster.
Speaker 8 (15:07):
It was that feeling of a conveyor belt going in,
going out next, going in, going out next, And it
looked aesthetically like a soothing place, but in all actuality
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that was not the case. It was pretty much let's
get them in, let's get them out.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Former employees told me. Staff inside the embryology lab, which
required the most precise and time intensive work, was burned out.
They struggled to keep up with a patient load that
kept growing even as their team kept shrinking.
Speaker 8 (15:48):
A lot of times. They were there before I started,
and they were there after I would go home, and
they had to work many weekends, many holidays.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
In text messages shared with me, one embryologist in Atlanta
told a fellow staffer quote, I have to be coach,
quarterback and wide receiver. We do not have the space,
equipment and people for this level of volume. It's dangerous
and not sustainable. I spoke to five former embryologists who
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worked in the Atlantic Clinic. They all described the same
crushing workload, the constant turnover, the feeling that it was
only a matter of time before something went wrong, and
then one day, in March of twenty twenty three, it did.
Among the dozens of patient reviews and complaints I encountered
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while reporting this story, one stood out. A Google review
that described a disappointing experience at the Atlantic Clinic. It
was a devastating error, one that would reveal just how
dangerous Kind Bodies staffing crime had become. Here's Vernita reading
the review.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
She put, I recently had a very disappointing experience with
Kind Body Fertility Clinic that I cannot in good conscience recommend. Unfortunately,
they gave me the wrong measurement of medication during my treatment,
which led to a lot of complications and stress. Despite
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all the issues, we were able to proceed with one
embryo for transfer.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
On the day of the transfer, however, things went from
bad to worse. The clinic staff were unable to identify,
Oh my God, which embryo was ours because they had
some unlabeled embryos in their storage. This was extremely frustrating
and concerning, and left thus feeling very uncertain about the
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entire process.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I spoke to four employees who were at the Atlanta
location the day this review is about. None would speak
on the record, fearing legal retaliation from Kind Body, but
the patient herself agreed to talk with me when I
traveled to Atlanta to investigate what happened. She asked not
to be identified, explaining that as an immigrant in a
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tight knit religious community, even sharing her story could have
serious consequences. A voice actor will read what she told me.
Speaker 9 (18:29):
We are religious people, and our community will avoid us
if they hear about this.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I'll call her Ayana. She was thirty nine years old
when she walked into Kind Bodies Atlanta clinic that March morning,
carrying with her three years of hope and heartbreak. She'd
been through multiple egg retrievals, most unsuccessful. Out of the
few eggs they'd managed to retrieve, only one had developed
into a viable embryo. She was there that day for
her transfer, the culmination of a fertility journey.
Speaker 9 (19:00):
That was our only opportunity.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Instead, she and her husband spent three hours in a
waiting room before learning what happened.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
On the transfer date. When we reached there at twelve,
like midday, and they told us like about three o'clock,
like they were like, I don't know how to say it.
They were like messed up. They call everyone and like
put us in one room and like, I don't know.
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They hold us like more than three hours.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
When the doctor finally came in to explain, Ayana could
barely process the words.
Speaker 9 (19:38):
They just stand in front of me. I was crying.
They told us they don't have the embryo.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
They're one embryo. Their only chance at having a child
had been mislabeled. The clinic had an embryo, but they
said they couldn't be sure it was a Yana's. The
only way to confirm would be through genetic testing, a
procedure that carried its own risks. Many patients choose to
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genetically test embryos before a transfer to make sure they
have the correct number of chromosomes. It helps detect abnormalities
that can result in serious genetic conditions that process, though
it has its own risks. It involves taking a little
piece of the embryo and can sometimes damage it. Some
doctors recommend that patients who don't have a lot of
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embryos to work with skip such testing. Ayana and her
husband had opted not to do genetic testing before, and
they didn't want to do it now because of her
religious beliefs. Ayana said she would have carried the baby
even if they had detected an abnormality, but.
Speaker 9 (20:46):
They told us, we have one option, which is they
need to test it to know if it is ours
or not. The situation pushed us to do that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Despite her misgivings, she went ahead and got the test.
A kind body doctor called and confirmed the embryo was
indeed theirs, but revealed something else, an abnormality. Ayana said
the doctor didn't tell her what the abnormality was and
didn't explain the results. The doctor only told her that
the embryo had to be discarded. Normally, when an embryo
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is genetically tested, patients get a copy of the report,
and a doctor or a counselor walks a patient through
what it means. But Ayana told me she and her
husband weren't given any paperwork, and no one explained what
the test had revealed about their last embryo. Many patients
who go through IVF have a hard time knowing what
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to ask in these tense moments. For Ayana, she says
the fact that English was not her first language made
it even more difficult. Discarding an embryo was a big
decision and went against Ayana's religious principles. She said she
felt pushed into a decision she didn't want to make,
but she also felt she didn't have any information to
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be able to push back. The doctor was apologetic and
offered a free round of IVF.
Speaker 9 (22:11):
She told me, if you work with us, if you
continue with us, we offer you another cycle. We will
take care of everything.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I talked to kind Body when I first learned of
this incident. A spokeswoman said that kind Body bought a
tracking system to try to minimize human errors. It's called
electronic witnessing, and it gives each patience eggs, sperm, and
embryos unique barcodes that must be scanned at every step.
The software tracks who handles the materials and when requiring
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verification before allowing procedures to move forward. A Kind Body
spokeswoman said at the time that this technology was used
in ninety percent of its labs, and she says that
now it's used in all of them, But former employees
told me the problem was that they weren't properly trained
on how to use it, something that Kind Body disputes.
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My story about lab errors at kind Body was published
in October of twenty twenty three, two months after I
spoke with Yana. In it, I wrote about what happened
to Ayana, to Dina and b and to other patients.
I'd learned of multiple incidents of embryos being mislabeled, lost,
or accidentally destroyed at four different Kind Body clinics. After
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my article was published, Gina wrote a blog post in response.
It said, in part quote, I'm proud that our doctors
are candid and tell the patient the truth rather than
hide any mistake made by a human in the lab.
We also buy upsided the embryo to ensure its genetic material,
and it came back and euploidy, which meant it was
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abnormal and would likely have not have been transferred anyway,
So we didn't have to be honest, but we were.
The outcome would have been the same an unsuccessful IVF cycle,
which on fortunately happens about one third of the time,
and even the best IVF clinics, including our own. But
Ayana told me she felt robbed of the opportunity of
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at least trying to transfer the embryo as planned. When
we spoke about six months after the error was discovered,
she said it didn't matter if it had been abnormal,
that God had gifted them that one embryo and it
was their choice, their chance to take. On top of that,
she had doubts about whether kind body was even telling
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the truth about the abnormality. She kept thinking why had
they jumped to discard the embryo so quickly, Why wasn't
she at least given the chance to transfer, And unlike
other patients who might have sought legal recourse, she said
she felt trapped by her circumstances.
Speaker 9 (24:50):
The situation. If it was different people like Americans, it
was different. I think if it happened on you. For example,
I think think it was like not this. Maybe you
sue them, you do something. But I'm a foreigner and
I'm religious, so my situation doesn't allow me to do anything.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Ayana opted to do the free cycle kind Body offered,
but it didn't yield any eggs. By that point, Ayana
was forty. After six IVF cycles and tens of thousands
of dollars spent, she and her husband started looking into
adoption instead. It's really hard to get a complete picture
of what kind of errors may be happening in US
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fertility clinics, whether they're at kind Body or anyone else's.
It's not an easy question to answer because, unlike other
types of medical facilities, there is no regulation requiring fertility
clinics to track lost, mishandled, or destroyed embryos, let alone
report them to any public database. There's the Clinical Laboratory
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and Provement Amendments, also known as CLIA. It's a federal
statute that regulates testing and oversees some aspects of an
IVF clinic, like blood and semen testing. But crucially, CLIA
does not oversee the embryology lab, where the most sensitive
material is handled to fill the gap. Nonprofits and industry
groups have stepped in. The big one is CAP, also
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known as the College of American Pathologists. CAP issues guidelines
like how many people should be on staff or the
optimal temperature for the lab. Clinics can get CAP accreditation
if they adopt these measures, and getting the stamp of
approval lends credibility, but that's really it. CAP cannot shut
down a clinic if it finds it's not in compliance.
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In short, CAP has no teeth.
Speaker 10 (26:49):
There are guidelines, but there are no requirements.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
This is Evashennkman again. She's the embryologist who interviewed with
kind Body back when the company was just starting out.
He runs her own embryology school that trains young scientists
who want to go into IVF, and she consults for
clinics that want to open up labs of their own.
Speaker 10 (27:09):
Just like you can go to a department health website
and look up physicians record, you can see how often
they have malpractice claims. You don't have that for the laboratory.
You don't know who that wizard is behind the curtain.
Is that somebody you know who's been involved in several
major mix up cases, and even if they're doing something egregious,
there's no board that steps in and investigates. You know,
maybe this person shouldn't be working in the lab anymore.
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Maybe we can do some retraining so that this mistake
doesn't happen again. And that's the part that really started
to make me angry.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
There is no requirement for fertility clinics to report incidents
caused by human error or other preventable mistakes. By contrast,
Eva points out that some countries in Europe have regulatory
agencies that track mistakes.
Speaker 10 (27:53):
One of my colleagues there in Ireland sent me a
text message a couple of weeks ago when we're talking
about some of the issues here. She's like, you're really
telling me that you don't have to report if there's
a serious error in the lab, Like there's no proactive
reporting where you get somebody that comes in and investigates you.
I said, no, it is not, and that just blows
their mind. It was really shocking to them, because what
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prevents you from making that error once a year, twice
a year every other year. The vast majority of clinics
do a very good job in providing great care to patients.
But also how do we protect against the clinics that
aren't following the rules or following the guidelines.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Many of these errors are never known to people trying
to decide which fertility clinic to go to. You can't
google their error rates, and looking up a clinic's history
of lawsuits may not be that revealing. Many errors never
make it into the public record because patients sign arbitration
agreements that prohibit them from speaking publicly about what happened
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to them.
Speaker 11 (28:52):
And what's that about. It's because fertility clinics operate in
such a highly competitive space where a clinic never wants
to be known as that entity that has dropped somebody's
ex or embryos on the ground.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Adam Wolf is a partner at Piferwolf, a law firm
that specializes in fertility cases. Adam declined to say whether
he had cases with kind Body, but he did talk
about the kind of calls he gets all the time
from patients of fertility clinics.
Speaker 11 (29:22):
We get calls from people who are just devastated by
the results, usually the failures of their of the fertility
work from their fertility clinic. And sometimes that is just
the natural byproduct of fertility work. It's not always successful,
even under the best of circumstances. But in many of
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the occasions where our potential clients call us, what we
uncover is that the failure of a particular IVF cycle
or other work in a fertility clinic is the result
of misconduct or certain types of negligence.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Adam has seen some of the worst mistakes in this
field happen at all sorts of clinics. One of his
clients discovered after she gave birth that the baby boy
she had carried wasn't hers, and she was devastated when
she had to turn the baby over to his biological parents.
Another one of his clients alleged that their clinic let
seven of their embryos dry out, destroying all of them.
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The couple sued the clinic, but then reached a settlement
out of court. Adam says, the majority of incidents like
these never become public because.
Speaker 11 (30:36):
We end up settling those cases with a confidentiality agreement
that prohibits anybody from talking about that case or those
errors publicly. Now, that makes a lot of sense for
the fertility clinic which wants to hide its errors, but
it creates a big public problem, which is that the
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public doesn't know about the vast majority of errors that
we have seen in fertility clinics and that have caused
our clients to suffer.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Coming up on IVF disrupted the Kind Body story. With
Kind Bodies cash reserves dwindling, the question arises, do its
patients really need everything it's selling.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
At your white coat ceremony, which is the first thing
you participate in before you start med school. You take
that oath, and that oath is first, do no harm.
Speaker 12 (31:40):
My good friend who went through another clinic, she kept
kind of mentioning like because I was like, so, did
you pay for the extra however, couple hundred bucks for
embryo glue? She was like embryo glue. Like I never
heard of embryo glue. And I was like, oh, like,
we just paid four hundred bucks this round for embryo glue.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I just went through two weeks of medications and traveled
here and spent thousands of dollars for this procedure, and
you're telling me I didn't need to do it.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
I'm not a salesperson when it comes to medical care.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
IVF disrupted The Kind Body Story is reported and hosted
by me Jackie Devalos. The series is produced by Sean
Len and Jilda Decarly, editing by Caitlin Kenney, Jeff Grocott
and Joshua Brustein. Blake Maples is our sound engineer. Voice
acting in this episode was provided by Diana Johnston, Tina
(32:38):
Marie Murray, and Rosanna Pilcher. Fact checking by Anica Robbins.
Bloomberg Senior Executive Editor for Technology is Tom Giles. Our
head of podcasting is Sage Bauman. You can reach us
at podcasts at Bloomberg dot net. IVF Disrupted is a
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