September 11, 2025 • 14 mins
Turning Point USA co-founder and close ally of President Donald Trump, Charlie Kirk, was shot and killed Wednesday afternoon while speaking at an event at Utah Valley University. The FBI has released images of a person-of-interest in the killing, but the suspect remains at large.
On today’s Big Take podcast, Bloomberg’s White House reporter Josh Wingrove joins host Sarah Holder to discuss Kirk’s death, the political legacy he leaves behind and how the political world is reacting to his death.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
The conservative activist Charlie Kirk was shot and killed Wednesday
in the middle of a speaking event at a college
campus in Utah. As fired, Kirk was thirty one oh
As of Thursday afternoon, a search is still underway for
the shooter. The FBI has released photos of a person
(00:31):
of interest, but does not have a suspect in custody.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
If you're listening to this and you know who Charlie
Kirk is, I don't need to explain to you.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Josh Wingrove is Bloomberg's senior White House correspondent.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
If you are listening to this and don't know who
he is, that probably says something about your algorithms, your
social streams, where you're living. Because Kirk was a tremendously
influential figure in the conservative movement. In the MAGA movement.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Kirk galvanized a generation of conservative use through Turning Point USA,
the political group he founded when he was just eighteen.
He'd become a prominent right wing media personality as the
host of The Charlie Kirk Show and was a close
ally of President Donald Trump, who credited him with helping
him win the twenty twenty four election. Kirk's appearance at
(01:18):
Utah Valley University on Wednesday was the first stop on
a planned Turning Point USA tour of college campuses, where
he was hosting debates. Videos of the shooting spread quickly
on social media.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That is the sort of paradox of this world we're
living in where this happened essentially live captured by goodness
knows how many cameras, but the authorities are trying to
put one foot in front of the other and go
through their investigation.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm Sarah Holder, and this is the big take from
Bloomberg News Today on the show, How Charlie Kirk shaped
the conservative movement and how the political world is reacting
to his debt. Charlie Kirk was a rising political star
(02:07):
in Republican circles, synonymous with a brand of young conservatism
that helped to reelect Donald Trump in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
He's a true to the bone Trump conservative. He's been
a Trump Conservative since the beginning of Trump and that's
why the president has such faith in him. We wrote
in one story that back in December, so after Trump
had won the election, he was kind of not doing
a lot like he was not doing rallies, but he
was picking his moments. He went to Notre Dame when
(02:37):
it reopened. He hung out of mar A Lago and
held Corton named cabinet appointees. He met the Prince of Wales,
and then he traveled to Arizona to appear on stage
with Charlie Kirk. And that just indicates to you how
important a figure he was in the movement that Trump,
of course, is at the top of right now. And
I think just stepping back, like Kirk's day job was
(03:00):
turning Point USA, which he built from a relatively small
sort of campus conservative organization to a very influential one.
But his impact was broader than that, and he was,
you know, a big voice on social media at a
very popular podcast, and really did have the year of
some of the most powerful political conservatives in this country.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And he was a controversial figure, right Josh. He was
known for promoting the anti immigrant great replacement theory.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
For example. Yeah, this is where it gets tricky, right,
because we've got someone that you know, has only passed
away very recently, and multiple things can be true. At
the same time, he's being eulogized by conservatives for well
by many people, including conservatives, for the role he played
in their movement, and at the same time he was
not popular among progressives who he was not ideologically aligned with. Obviously,
(03:46):
it is true that he is criticized heavily among Democrats,
who see him as fomenting some of the harsh partisan
environment we live in.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
In twenty twelve, Kirk founded Turning Point USA, which soon
grew into one of the most influential political nonprofits in
the country.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Turning Point USA is a conservative youth group and Walmart
is like a former mom and pop store. I mean,
it is very difficult to overstate the influence of Turning Point,
and they did it by doing these campus style events
attracting donations. He co founded Turning Point when he was
just eighteen years old, and some of the numbers I
found really jaw dropping. It grows seventy eight grand in
(04:26):
its first year, seventy eight thousand dollars and Turning Point
had eighty five million in revenue in twenty twenty four.
So that just gives you a sense of the sprawl
of it. And I mentioned earlier that President Trump went
to Arizona to do this event with Kirk. He credited
him both in get out the vote efforts in Arizona,
getting people to go to the polls. Remember Trump lost
Arizona in twenty twenty one at back in twenty twenty four.
(04:48):
Gave some of that credit to Kirk, but also Trump
made gains among young people in twenty twenty fours compared
to twenty twenty. He also credited Kirk for that. You know,
Charlie Kirk credited TikTok for the kings with young people,
but Trump credited Kirk. So it grew out of these
campus events. Of course, campus culture and sort of progressives
(05:09):
on campus has long been a sort of rhetorical concern
or target of the American right who think that conservative
views are not welcome on campuses, and Charlie Kirk really
seized on that to be able to build a movement essentially,
you know, migrate some of that conservative liberal proverbial culture
war stuff right to the campus level. But I really
(05:30):
cannot overstate how wide his clout was sort of built
on turning point, but not confined just to the work
of it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Kirk's message especially resonated with the kinds of young men
who voted overwhelmingly to re elect Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Kirk really plugged into that, and it's very popular in
the podcast sort of you know, online manisphere. We should
note also that he's was very public about his faith,
and so many people of faith, including men of faith
of Christian faith specifically admired him and follow him in
part about that and liked that he was very vocal
about his faith. So there are a lot of tenets
(06:07):
to what made Kirk such an influential conservative figure.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
After the break, more from my conversation with Josh Wingrove
about the killing of Charlie Kirk and its impact in
this divisive political moment. Charlie Kirk's shooting on Wednesday was
the latest shocking attack on political figures in the US.
Trump himself was the target of two assassination attempts during
(06:35):
his campaign, and in June, two Democratic Minnesota lawmakers and
their spouses were shot at their homes. State Representative Melissa
Hortman and her husband Mark were killed, and State Senator
John Hoffman and his wife, Yvette were injured. Bloomberg Senior
White House correspondent Josh Wingrove says this pattern of political
(06:56):
violence is a distinctly American problem.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
We don't see it to this extent in a lot
of other Western democracies. So I think we should be
clear eyed about the problem America has on its hands.
And this was a through line of a lot of
commentary from Democrats and Republicans about wanting to take down
the temperature. Because we also had, of course the arson
attempt that may have been an attempted killing of Governor
Jos Shapiro in Pennsylvania. Recently, there was a twenty twenty
(07:22):
two violent attack on Paul Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi's husband. We had,
of course, the twenty twenty one January sixth event at
the Capitol. President Trump of course pardoned everyone and n
everyone involved in that Foyle plot to capture Governor Gretchen
Whitmer of Michigan. Twenty seventeen shooting of Louisiana Republican Steve Scalize,
twenty eleven shooting of Arizona Democrat Gabby Giffords. This is
(07:43):
happening too much. I mean, this is heartbreaking, and I
think the question is how can the temperature be brought down?
I'll note that in his video Wednesday night, President Trump
did cite some of those but only the ones with
Republican victims or Republican targets, and so he is emphasizing
for his audience that Republicans are being targeted from the left.
(08:05):
He is not framing it as there have been this
string of political violence that has targeted Democrats and Republicans alike,
of course, including this horrible shooting of Charlie Kirk, but
also other examples that's difficult to separate here, and that
could potentially create, of course, the space and political will
in the conservative movement to use this moment to go
(08:28):
on a broader push of some kind.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Josh you said, there's this desire on both sides of
the political aisle to bring down the temperature of political discourse.
After Kirk's killing, Elon Musk posted on x that the
quote left is the party of murder, while Trump called
Kirk a martyr for truth and freedom in a video statement,
and he blamed the radical left for the attack. Of course,
(08:53):
no suspect or motive has been identified as of now.
But what kind of impact do you see Kirk's death
and his killer having on political division in this country?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I worry that it will only exacerbate it. And let
me read to one of the comments from President Trump
that I think is going to be notable, and that is, quote,
my administration will find each and every one of those
who contributed to this atrocity into other political violence, including
the organizations that fund it and support it, end quote.
(09:24):
And so that really signals what I'm talking about earlier
in that Trump is framing this or saying immediately that
this is part of a larger campaign or effort, and
the law enforcement authorities, including I should note a Republican
governor of Utah, are not going that far yet. And
(09:45):
so the assassination of Charlie Kirk is one thing, but
I think the concern is that it could be used
for something broader, and it's just not clear yet you
know where that will land. Consertives listening to this will
have seen or may point to examples of liberals somewhere
and some feed that they're watching saying something ungracious about
(10:08):
this and about mister Kirk after his passing. Of course,
there are examples of everything you can find out there.
But right now I think most top Democrats, including like
the DNC chair and senators and governors, are calling for
begging for people to take down the temperature on this.
Some Republicans are as well. President Trump not so much really,
(10:31):
and so we just don't know where it's going to go.
Whether people feel less comfortable engaging publicly is another question,
and that of course is a core element of some
of the eulogy of Kirk in that he is praised
by conservatives for, you know, going out there, free exchange
of ideas, debates on campuses. They love that about him,
(10:54):
and so if people are less willing or comfortable to
go out in public and debate ideas, that is exactly
what Charlie Kirk wanted to have happened, even if the
ideas he was debating were unpalatable to half or less
than half of his audience. He believed in, sort of
advocated for and built his brand on the sort of
(11:16):
free exchange of ideas. And now if people are uncomfortable
doing that because of a security risk, that is a
layer here of something else that might have been lost.
But you're seeing conservatives say, like, you know, they've created
a thousand Charlie Kirks. In other words, people will try
to carry on his legacy. But again, it just feels
like things are very fraught right now, not only because
(11:38):
of the death of a young man who leaves behind
a spouse in two lovely little kids. But just because
of the potential for escalation and continuance one way or another.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Josh, I want to end on that legacy question. You
cover the White House. Kirk was a real ally and
close friend of many there, and we've heard about the
shock and the sadness there. Yes, And what do you
see as the legacy of the shooting and the legacy
of Kirk himself.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well, Kirk will go down as one of the most
influential conservatives of his generation. I think there's just simply
no arguing that. In terms of the legacy of his passing.
I think it's just too soon to say, you know,
will Turning Point be as effective? How will people take
up the baton of the work Kirk was doing. It's
just too soon to say. But of course the Republican
(12:30):
Party is at a crossroads. Trump is, at least on paper,
not running again or trying to run again. All those
that will sort of decide where the Republican Party goes
from me here, they were virtually all friends with Charlie Kirk, right,
and so his legacy lives on. It's amazing watching how
many of them are tweeting like their most recent texts
from him, I mean, senators, governor's whatever, So his legacy
(12:52):
sort of will sort of live on through them. But again,
I don't want to gloss over the risk that it
is the base upon which something else, not necessarily violence,
but you know, an investigation or something some kind of
probe could build upon that could end up exacerbating the
political tensions of the moment. But the Conservatives might argue
(13:16):
is necessary to do justice to the death of Charlie Kirk,
and that is the real sort of fork in the
road that we're at right now.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
This is The Big Take from Bloomberg News. I'm Sarah Holder.
To get more from The Big Take and unlimited access
to all of Bloomberg dot com, subscribe today at Bloomberg
dot com slash podcast offer. If you liked this episode,
make sure to follow and review The Big Take wherever
you listen to podcasts. It helps people find the show.
(13:51):
Thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow.
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
The conservative activist Charlie Kirk was shot and killed Wednesday
in the middle of a speaking event at a college
campus in Utah. As fired, Kirk was thirty one oh
As of Thursday afternoon, a search is still underway for
the shooter. The FBI has released photos of a person
(00:31):
of interest, but does not have a suspect in custody.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
If you're listening to this and you know who Charlie
Kirk is, I don't need to explain to you.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Josh Wingrove is Bloomberg's senior White House correspondent.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
If you are listening to this and don't know who
he is, that probably says something about your algorithms, your
social streams, where you're living. Because Kirk was a tremendously
influential figure in the conservative movement. In the MAGA movement.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Kirk galvanized a generation of conservative use through Turning Point USA,
the political group he founded when he was just eighteen.
He'd become a prominent right wing media personality as the
host of The Charlie Kirk Show and was a close
ally of President Donald Trump, who credited him with helping
him win the twenty twenty four election. Kirk's appearance at
(01:18):
Utah Valley University on Wednesday was the first stop on
a planned Turning Point USA tour of college campuses, where
he was hosting debates. Videos of the shooting spread quickly
on social media.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That is the sort of paradox of this world we're
living in where this happened essentially live captured by goodness
knows how many cameras, but the authorities are trying to
put one foot in front of the other and go
through their investigation.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm Sarah Holder, and this is the big take from
Bloomberg News Today on the show, How Charlie Kirk shaped
the conservative movement and how the political world is reacting
to his debt. Charlie Kirk was a rising political star
(02:07):
in Republican circles, synonymous with a brand of young conservatism
that helped to reelect Donald Trump in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
He's a true to the bone Trump conservative. He's been
a Trump Conservative since the beginning of Trump and that's
why the president has such faith in him. We wrote
in one story that back in December, so after Trump
had won the election, he was kind of not doing
a lot like he was not doing rallies, but he
was picking his moments. He went to Notre Dame when
(02:37):
it reopened. He hung out of mar A Lago and
held Corton named cabinet appointees. He met the Prince of Wales,
and then he traveled to Arizona to appear on stage
with Charlie Kirk. And that just indicates to you how
important a figure he was in the movement that Trump,
of course, is at the top of right now. And
I think just stepping back, like Kirk's day job was
(03:00):
turning Point USA, which he built from a relatively small
sort of campus conservative organization to a very influential one.
But his impact was broader than that, and he was,
you know, a big voice on social media at a
very popular podcast, and really did have the year of
some of the most powerful political conservatives in this country.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And he was a controversial figure, right Josh. He was
known for promoting the anti immigrant great replacement theory.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
For example. Yeah, this is where it gets tricky, right,
because we've got someone that you know, has only passed
away very recently, and multiple things can be true. At
the same time, he's being eulogized by conservatives for well
by many people, including conservatives, for the role he played
in their movement, and at the same time he was
not popular among progressives who he was not ideologically aligned with. Obviously,
(03:46):
it is true that he is criticized heavily among Democrats,
who see him as fomenting some of the harsh partisan
environment we live in.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
In twenty twelve, Kirk founded Turning Point USA, which soon
grew into one of the most influential political nonprofits in
the country.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Turning Point USA is a conservative youth group and Walmart
is like a former mom and pop store. I mean,
it is very difficult to overstate the influence of Turning Point,
and they did it by doing these campus style events
attracting donations. He co founded Turning Point when he was
just eighteen years old, and some of the numbers I
found really jaw dropping. It grows seventy eight grand in
(04:26):
its first year, seventy eight thousand dollars and Turning Point
had eighty five million in revenue in twenty twenty four.
So that just gives you a sense of the sprawl
of it. And I mentioned earlier that President Trump went
to Arizona to do this event with Kirk. He credited
him both in get out the vote efforts in Arizona,
getting people to go to the polls. Remember Trump lost
Arizona in twenty twenty one at back in twenty twenty four.
(04:48):
Gave some of that credit to Kirk, but also Trump
made gains among young people in twenty twenty fours compared
to twenty twenty. He also credited Kirk for that. You know,
Charlie Kirk credited TikTok for the kings with young people,
but Trump credited Kirk. So it grew out of these
campus events. Of course, campus culture and sort of progressives
(05:09):
on campus has long been a sort of rhetorical concern
or target of the American right who think that conservative
views are not welcome on campuses, and Charlie Kirk really
seized on that to be able to build a movement essentially,
you know, migrate some of that conservative liberal proverbial culture
war stuff right to the campus level. But I really
(05:30):
cannot overstate how wide his clout was sort of built
on turning point, but not confined just to the work
of it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Kirk's message especially resonated with the kinds of young men
who voted overwhelmingly to re elect Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Kirk really plugged into that, and it's very popular in
the podcast sort of you know, online manisphere. We should
note also that he's was very public about his faith,
and so many people of faith, including men of faith
of Christian faith specifically admired him and follow him in
part about that and liked that he was very vocal
about his faith. So there are a lot of tenets
(06:07):
to what made Kirk such an influential conservative figure.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
After the break, more from my conversation with Josh Wingrove
about the killing of Charlie Kirk and its impact in
this divisive political moment. Charlie Kirk's shooting on Wednesday was
the latest shocking attack on political figures in the US.
Trump himself was the target of two assassination attempts during
(06:35):
his campaign, and in June, two Democratic Minnesota lawmakers and
their spouses were shot at their homes. State Representative Melissa
Hortman and her husband Mark were killed, and State Senator
John Hoffman and his wife, Yvette were injured. Bloomberg Senior
White House correspondent Josh Wingrove says this pattern of political
(06:56):
violence is a distinctly American problem.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
We don't see it to this extent in a lot
of other Western democracies. So I think we should be
clear eyed about the problem America has on its hands.
And this was a through line of a lot of
commentary from Democrats and Republicans about wanting to take down
the temperature. Because we also had, of course the arson
attempt that may have been an attempted killing of Governor
Jos Shapiro in Pennsylvania. Recently, there was a twenty twenty
(07:22):
two violent attack on Paul Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi's husband. We had,
of course, the twenty twenty one January sixth event at
the Capitol. President Trump of course pardoned everyone and n
everyone involved in that Foyle plot to capture Governor Gretchen
Whitmer of Michigan. Twenty seventeen shooting of Louisiana Republican Steve Scalize,
twenty eleven shooting of Arizona Democrat Gabby Giffords. This is
(07:43):
happening too much. I mean, this is heartbreaking, and I
think the question is how can the temperature be brought down?
I'll note that in his video Wednesday night, President Trump
did cite some of those but only the ones with
Republican victims or Republican targets, and so he is emphasizing
for his audience that Republicans are being targeted from the left.
(08:05):
He is not framing it as there have been this
string of political violence that has targeted Democrats and Republicans alike,
of course, including this horrible shooting of Charlie Kirk, but
also other examples that's difficult to separate here, and that
could potentially create, of course, the space and political will
in the conservative movement to use this moment to go
(08:28):
on a broader push of some kind.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Josh you said, there's this desire on both sides of
the political aisle to bring down the temperature of political discourse.
After Kirk's killing, Elon Musk posted on x that the
quote left is the party of murder, while Trump called
Kirk a martyr for truth and freedom in a video statement,
and he blamed the radical left for the attack. Of course,
(08:53):
no suspect or motive has been identified as of now.
But what kind of impact do you see Kirk's death
and his killer having on political division in this country?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I worry that it will only exacerbate it. And let
me read to one of the comments from President Trump
that I think is going to be notable, and that is, quote,
my administration will find each and every one of those
who contributed to this atrocity into other political violence, including
the organizations that fund it and support it, end quote.
(09:24):
And so that really signals what I'm talking about earlier
in that Trump is framing this or saying immediately that
this is part of a larger campaign or effort, and
the law enforcement authorities, including I should note a Republican
governor of Utah, are not going that far yet. And
(09:45):
so the assassination of Charlie Kirk is one thing, but
I think the concern is that it could be used
for something broader, and it's just not clear yet you
know where that will land. Consertives listening to this will
have seen or may point to examples of liberals somewhere
and some feed that they're watching saying something ungracious about
(10:08):
this and about mister Kirk after his passing. Of course,
there are examples of everything you can find out there.
But right now I think most top Democrats, including like
the DNC chair and senators and governors, are calling for
begging for people to take down the temperature on this.
Some Republicans are as well. President Trump not so much really,
(10:31):
and so we just don't know where it's going to go.
Whether people feel less comfortable engaging publicly is another question,
and that of course is a core element of some
of the eulogy of Kirk in that he is praised
by conservatives for, you know, going out there, free exchange
of ideas, debates on campuses. They love that about him,
(10:54):
and so if people are less willing or comfortable to
go out in public and debate ideas, that is exactly
what Charlie Kirk wanted to have happened, even if the
ideas he was debating were unpalatable to half or less
than half of his audience. He believed in, sort of
advocated for and built his brand on the sort of
(11:16):
free exchange of ideas. And now if people are uncomfortable
doing that because of a security risk, that is a
layer here of something else that might have been lost.
But you're seeing conservatives say, like, you know, they've created
a thousand Charlie Kirks. In other words, people will try
to carry on his legacy. But again, it just feels
like things are very fraught right now, not only because
(11:38):
of the death of a young man who leaves behind
a spouse in two lovely little kids. But just because
of the potential for escalation and continuance one way or another.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Josh, I want to end on that legacy question. You
cover the White House. Kirk was a real ally and
close friend of many there, and we've heard about the
shock and the sadness there. Yes, And what do you
see as the legacy of the shooting and the legacy
of Kirk himself.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well, Kirk will go down as one of the most
influential conservatives of his generation. I think there's just simply
no arguing that. In terms of the legacy of his passing.
I think it's just too soon to say, you know,
will Turning Point be as effective? How will people take
up the baton of the work Kirk was doing. It's
just too soon to say. But of course the Republican
(12:30):
Party is at a crossroads. Trump is, at least on paper,
not running again or trying to run again. All those
that will sort of decide where the Republican Party goes
from me here, they were virtually all friends with Charlie Kirk, right,
and so his legacy lives on. It's amazing watching how
many of them are tweeting like their most recent texts
from him, I mean, senators, governor's whatever, So his legacy
(12:52):
sort of will sort of live on through them. But again,
I don't want to gloss over the risk that it
is the base upon which something else, not necessarily violence,
but you know, an investigation or something some kind of
probe could build upon that could end up exacerbating the
political tensions of the moment. But the Conservatives might argue
(13:16):
is necessary to do justice to the death of Charlie Kirk,
and that is the real sort of fork in the
road that we're at right now.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
This is The Big Take from Bloomberg News. I'm Sarah Holder.
To get more from The Big Take and unlimited access
to all of Bloomberg dot com, subscribe today at Bloomberg
dot com slash podcast offer. If you liked this episode,
make sure to follow and review The Big Take wherever
you listen to podcasts. It helps people find the show.
(13:51):
Thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow.
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