September 24, 2025 • 15 mins
The United States is responsible for about 20% of the UN’s annual budget. But it hasn’t paid its dues in months. And the UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres says the international body is now facing hard choices.
On today’s Big Take podcast, host David Gura sits down with Guterres and Bloomberg’s Magdalena Del Valle to discuss whether the institution can survive funding cuts and prove its relevancy in a time of rising global tensions. Without the full backing of the US, how much can the UN do to promote peace and security around the world — and what will that mean for the people they support?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Every September, global leaders gather at the headquarters of the
United Nations to discuss and debate the world's toughest issues.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
There's eighty nine heads of state, five vice presidents, one
crown Prince, and forty three heads of government.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Magdalena del Vialler covers the UN for Bloomberg, and she
says the eighty year old institution is at a critical juncture.
The United States, which is responsible for about twenty percent
of the UN's annual budget, hasn't paid its dues in months,
and President Trump says the organization is bloated and isn't
living up to its potential. That was the backdrop to
(00:44):
Trump's arrival to the General Assembly on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I mean, I think things kind of started to go
wrong from almost the second he walked through.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
The door, Magdalena says. The President and First Lady got
out of their limo, walked inside, and then stepped onto an.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Escalator and then all of a sudden it stopped. They
both were confused, and then they all had to walk up,
kind of awkwardly, up this escalator.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
In a statement, a UN spokesperson said the escalators built
in safety mechanism had been activated. The Secret Service says
it's also investigating. Well after that, there was another problem.
When Trump reached the podium in the General Assembly Hall,
the teleprompter wasn't working.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I can only say that whoever's operating this teleprompter is
in big trouble.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Trump went on to deliver a speech that lasted almost
an hour, detailing a lot of what he views as
the major accomplishments of his second term. The president also
trained his sites on the UN itself. What's the purpose
of the United Nations? He asked.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
For the most part, at least for now, all they
seemed to do is write a really strongly worded letter
and then never follow that letter up. It's empty words,
and empty words don't solve war.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Trump turned that awkward start to his speech into a
punchline and a metaphor.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
These are the.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Two things I got from the United Nations.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
A bad escalator and a bad teleprompter, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Trump's criticism of the UN raises the question of what
the organization will look like in the future without the
kind of engagement and investment the US has provided for decades.
Antonio Guterrez, the UN Secretary General, told me the organization
is facing some hard choices.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
We shrink, we reduce what we're doing.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
The problem is that those peace keepers, that many of
them are in places where there's no piece to keep
with terrorist groups, with groups, they are sometimes the last
resort for the protection of civilians, and those.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Are the ones that will suffer.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
So the UN can move on, but the people that
we support will suffer.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm David Gera and this is the big take from
Bloomberg News today. On the show, the United Nations at
a tipping point as the United States withholds money and support.
It raises questions about the role the UN plays on
the world stage. Since the United Nations was founded in
nineteen forty five in the aftermath of the Second World War,
(03:22):
it's depended on funding from the United States, but the
country's unpaid obligations to the UN are now more than
three billion dollars. So when I sat down with UN
Secretary General Antonio Guterrez last week, I asked him can
the UN survive without US support?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
We are having some massive cuts. The agencies have responded
in humanitarian aid and the Development Corporation, which means that
they reduce stuff, they shrunk their operations. So the UN
moves on, but of course the people impected by the
cuts suffer, which means less food distributed, less vaccines distributed,
(04:06):
less HIVH treatment distributed. So obviously the impact is not
in the end. The impact is in those that benefit
from the action of our humanitarian development agencies. On the
other hand, we have the assessed contributions, which means the
mandatory contributions that already red by member states for the
Secretariat and for the peacekeeping operations, and there are cuts
(04:32):
announced and cuts that probably will take place in the future.
We have been doing enough measures in the implementation.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Of this year's budget to be able to.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Move ahead, and we are preparing, if necessary, a series
of emergency measures to drastically reduce our peacekeeping operations.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Bloomberg's Magdalena Dovia says many people were hoping President Trump
would provide more information about the future sure of US
funding in his speech on Tuesday, but he didn't get
into specifics.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
And it's not just because the US isn't paying. A
lot of countries aren't paying or they're paying late, and
so it's really hard for them to decide kind of
what they're going to fund, and the Secretary General has
made some proposals, but with so many different countries, with
so many different priorities, it's hard for them all to agree.
So even if the SG says, okay, we should combine
these two entities and fire this many people, for a
(05:27):
lot of these decisions, all the countries have to agree,
and so the bureaucracy could possibly get in the way
of making some hard cuts so.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
That these countries who haven't paid what they've said they
would pay or they're supposed to pay. How would you
describe the current state of the UN how's it operating
without that financial scream.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I mean, I don't know if it's related, but it
could be that the escalator in the telefronter didn't work
because they can't afford it. I know, no, we are
very much discussing here, but in the past they have
had to shut down escalators at certain hours to save money.
They turned off the air conditioning again, I think during
the weekend or like. They've had to make some decisions
like that about just the day to day. I think
(06:07):
some of the elevators sometimes didn't run things like that,
but more broadly, I think it means that if these
countries continue to not pay a lot of programs might
just disappear. Something that's really at risk is the UN's
peacekeeping missions. The UN is going to cut about thirteen
percent of its workforce and about eleven percent of its funding,
and these missions are kind of the last resort for
(06:29):
a lot of countries. I mean, every institution that I've
talked to at the UN has this new motto where
they say they have to do less with less, So
I think everyone's trying to do that. More broadly, the
UN is moving a lot of its projects to places
where it's less expensive to live, so maybe instead of
New York and Geneva, they're going to Kenya or to Germany.
(06:53):
But there's also this push to make things more efficient
and to actually, instead of doing less with leus to
maybe try to do more with less. But obviously very
very difficult.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
We're living in this moment when global power dynamics are
shifting so rapidly. There are several major conflicts unfolding all
around the world. I spoke with the UN Secretary General
on Friday, and Antonio Guterres told me we're now entering
into a multipolar world.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
This is no longer a bipolar moons, This is no
longer a unipolar world. This is at the present moment
the chaotic worlds but moving into a multi polar world.
And we need to build the multilateral institutions of the future.
That's why we are informing the UN. And let's not
forget there was multipolarity in Europe before the First World
War in the absence of multilateral institutions.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
The result was, well.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It does seem like this is just the kind of
moment the UN was created eighty years ago to address.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
A couple months ago, I spoke to someone and kind
of brought up the same question and his answer was, well,
we haven't had a Third World War yet, so the
UN is still working. But yeah, I mean, we have
the conflict between Israel and God, we had Russia and Ukraine.
There was actually a Security Council meeting called on by
Estonia to defend their own airspace, and now NATO is
saying that they're going to really defend their countries if
(08:11):
Russia flies over them. So there's also tension with Iran
right now. They're kind of in a very tight spot
where they have a week left to maybe come up
with a deal before the UN brings back sanctions on Iran.
But as long as we don't start World War three,
some experts say that the UN is working.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I want to go back to President Trump's speech, and
I wonder if you could draw a contrast between the
speech that he delivered in twenty twenty five and the
first speech he delivered eight years ago, help us understand
just how different the world is today than it was
eight years ago. I mean, President Trump had this ambition
to kind of reorder the global order. There were those
who didn't take him seriously before. He has been successful
(08:49):
in kind of pushing for or making a lot of
the changes that he said he would back then.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I think that's exactly right. I think eight years ago
people didn't take him as seriously. I think world leaders
of thought he was a bit of a joke. And
now he's here and he is not a joke. They're
taking him seriously. They're making sure to get in his
good grace. Is because they know he can and will
make their lives difficult if he wants to.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You hear the President's skepticism of the UN as it
exists today, and I'm curious how that affects the way
other Member states look at the US's role in the UN.
As you talk to people there, other diplomats, what do
they say just about the level of power influence that
the US has today.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, I think one of the hardest things for a
lot of the Members states is the reality that no
other country can really step up to take the US's place.
There is a lot of speculation that China might step
up and have more influence in the UN or a
different country, but the magnitude of the US's influence and
just I mean the sheer scope of the money they contributed,
no one can match that. So sure, some countries might
(09:56):
try here and there, but I mean, I think it's unmatchable.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Without the full backing of the US. How much can
the UN do to promote peace and security around the world,
That's next. One common criticism of the United Nations is
(10:23):
that when it comes to resolving conflict, one of its
main roles, it's ineffective. The UN Security Council has the
big and important role of maintaining security and peace around
the world, but it's often deadlocked, frozen, blocked from moving
forward because the Council's five permanent members. China, France, Russia,
the United Kingdom and the US have all powerful vetos
(10:46):
and often the countries can't agree. I ask Secretary General
Guterrez how the broader institution can continue to operate when
this central body is unable to do its job effectively.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
T N is much more than this Security Council.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
We are by far the main distributors a mimitarian aid
in the world. We are in the front line of
climate action, so we are involved in lots of activities
of all kinds to the benefit of the people around
the world.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
We have a problem, yes, in the core area of
our activity, which is peace and security.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
We depend on a Security Council that today has a
problem of legitimacy because it doesn't correspond anymore to the
world of today. When we were talking about multipolarity, where
is the multipolarity in the Security Council? Clearly not and
it has a problem with efficiency and that is a
serious restriction for our activity. But usually say, when we
(11:51):
do not have a dog, we hunt with a cat.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
But we hunt.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
On Tuesday, the Security Council had separate three hour meetings
on Gaza and Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
There are a lot of conversations about these conflicts, and
then I do think in the background there's that sense.
So do we need the UN for this or not?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
The question of Palestinian statehood is of course front and
center at this gathering, Canada, the UK, and Australia announcing
they now recognize Palestinian statehood. What is your sense of
the significance of them doing that and how is that
reverberating around the UN this week.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I mean, it's pretty clear, and everyone has said that
it's mostly symbolic. I mean, in the long run, I
know that Macrone said he's hoping to have embassies and
to have more solid things that represent that France recognize
as Palestine as a state, and I'm sure other countries
are working on that as well, But for now, you know,
in the short term it is mostly just ideological, which
(12:50):
some countries think is good because it's going to put
pressure on Israel. Someone I spoke to yesterday actually said
it might be counterproductive because the pressure on Israel might
actually be a motivation for them to really bring down
the hammer harder than before because they feel more threatened.
So I mean, I guess we'll see what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Another point of tension at this year's General Assembly is immigration.
In his Tuesday remarks, Trump called on other UN member
countries to clamp down on border security.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It's time to end the failed experiment of open borders.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
You have to end it now.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Let's see. I can tell you I'm really good at
this stuff. Your countries are going to hell.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Trump has pressured the UN to change its protocols for
asylum seekers.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Basically, the UN has had this long standing rule for
how asylum should work, and the Trump administration they want,
I think, to have the countries that people arrive to
make more of the decisions rather than the people. They
shouldn't be able to decide which country to go to.
They should just like, you know, if you make it
to one place, then that's where you're stuck. You can't
suddenly decide to go somewhere else. I think Trump also
(13:58):
wants to propose that the host country can get to
decide when the asylum seeker can go back, Like they
can assess how the other country's doing, and if the
host country decides that it's okay, then the person can
be sent back. So they definitely want to make a.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Lot of changes in light of what we've discussed. I
think the trajectory of the UN doesn't sound like it's
on a great path. What are your sources say about
where the organization is headed.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
This is not the first year, and I don't think
it'll be the last year where people say that the
United Nations is in the crisis. I mean, I think
ever since it was founded, people have criticized it. People
have thought that it's going to fail, and it hasn't.
And a lot of the sources I've spoken to, I mean,
when you know, there was the crisis in Iran and
(14:44):
things like that, we're saying, yeah, the UN can't really
mitigate every single little fight between two countries. They just
have to make sure the big picture stays okay. And
so yeah, I think. I mean, someone was saying, we're
going to be here next year again, and we're going
to be one if we're going to be here the
year after that, but we probably will. Like, I don't
think the UN is going anywhere, even though people every
(15:07):
year think it might be its last year.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Every September, global leaders gather at the headquarters of the
United Nations to discuss and debate the world's toughest issues.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
There's eighty nine heads of state, five vice presidents, one
crown Prince, and forty three heads of government.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Magdalena del Vialler covers the UN for Bloomberg, and she
says the eighty year old institution is at a critical juncture.
The United States, which is responsible for about twenty percent
of the UN's annual budget, hasn't paid its dues in months,
and President Trump says the organization is bloated and isn't
living up to its potential. That was the backdrop to
(00:44):
Trump's arrival to the General Assembly on Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I mean, I think things kind of started to go
wrong from almost the second he walked through.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
The door, Magdalena says. The President and First Lady got
out of their limo, walked inside, and then stepped onto an.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Escalator and then all of a sudden it stopped. They
both were confused, and then they all had to walk up,
kind of awkwardly, up this escalator.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
In a statement, a UN spokesperson said the escalators built
in safety mechanism had been activated. The Secret Service says
it's also investigating. Well after that, there was another problem.
When Trump reached the podium in the General Assembly Hall,
the teleprompter wasn't working.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I can only say that whoever's operating this teleprompter is
in big trouble.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Trump went on to deliver a speech that lasted almost
an hour, detailing a lot of what he views as
the major accomplishments of his second term. The president also
trained his sites on the UN itself. What's the purpose
of the United Nations? He asked.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
For the most part, at least for now, all they
seemed to do is write a really strongly worded letter
and then never follow that letter up. It's empty words,
and empty words don't solve war.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Trump turned that awkward start to his speech into a
punchline and a metaphor.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
These are the.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Two things I got from the United Nations.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
A bad escalator and a bad teleprompter, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Trump's criticism of the UN raises the question of what
the organization will look like in the future without the
kind of engagement and investment the US has provided for decades.
Antonio Guterrez, the UN Secretary General, told me the organization
is facing some hard choices.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
We shrink, we reduce what we're doing.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
The problem is that those peace keepers, that many of
them are in places where there's no piece to keep
with terrorist groups, with groups, they are sometimes the last
resort for the protection of civilians, and those.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Are the ones that will suffer.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
So the UN can move on, but the people that
we support will suffer.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm David Gera and this is the big take from
Bloomberg News today. On the show, the United Nations at
a tipping point as the United States withholds money and support.
It raises questions about the role the UN plays on
the world stage. Since the United Nations was founded in
nineteen forty five in the aftermath of the Second World War,
(03:22):
it's depended on funding from the United States, but the
country's unpaid obligations to the UN are now more than
three billion dollars. So when I sat down with UN
Secretary General Antonio Guterrez last week, I asked him can
the UN survive without US support?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
We are having some massive cuts. The agencies have responded
in humanitarian aid and the Development Corporation, which means that
they reduce stuff, they shrunk their operations. So the UN
moves on, but of course the people impected by the
cuts suffer, which means less food distributed, less vaccines distributed,
(04:06):
less HIVH treatment distributed. So obviously the impact is not
in the end. The impact is in those that benefit
from the action of our humanitarian development agencies. On the
other hand, we have the assessed contributions, which means the
mandatory contributions that already red by member states for the
Secretariat and for the peacekeeping operations, and there are cuts
(04:32):
announced and cuts that probably will take place in the future.
We have been doing enough measures in the implementation.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Of this year's budget to be able to.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Move ahead, and we are preparing, if necessary, a series
of emergency measures to drastically reduce our peacekeeping operations.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Bloomberg's Magdalena Dovia says many people were hoping President Trump
would provide more information about the future sure of US
funding in his speech on Tuesday, but he didn't get
into specifics.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
And it's not just because the US isn't paying. A
lot of countries aren't paying or they're paying late, and
so it's really hard for them to decide kind of
what they're going to fund, and the Secretary General has
made some proposals, but with so many different countries, with
so many different priorities, it's hard for them all to agree.
So even if the SG says, okay, we should combine
these two entities and fire this many people, for a
(05:27):
lot of these decisions, all the countries have to agree,
and so the bureaucracy could possibly get in the way
of making some hard cuts so.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
That these countries who haven't paid what they've said they
would pay or they're supposed to pay. How would you
describe the current state of the UN how's it operating
without that financial scream.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I mean, I don't know if it's related, but it
could be that the escalator in the telefronter didn't work
because they can't afford it. I know, no, we are
very much discussing here, but in the past they have
had to shut down escalators at certain hours to save money.
They turned off the air conditioning again, I think during
the weekend or like. They've had to make some decisions
like that about just the day to day. I think
(06:07):
some of the elevators sometimes didn't run things like that,
but more broadly, I think it means that if these
countries continue to not pay a lot of programs might
just disappear. Something that's really at risk is the UN's
peacekeeping missions. The UN is going to cut about thirteen
percent of its workforce and about eleven percent of its funding,
and these missions are kind of the last resort for
(06:29):
a lot of countries. I mean, every institution that I've
talked to at the UN has this new motto where
they say they have to do less with less, So
I think everyone's trying to do that. More broadly, the
UN is moving a lot of its projects to places
where it's less expensive to live, so maybe instead of
New York and Geneva, they're going to Kenya or to Germany.
(06:53):
But there's also this push to make things more efficient
and to actually, instead of doing less with leus to
maybe try to do more with less. But obviously very
very difficult.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
We're living in this moment when global power dynamics are
shifting so rapidly. There are several major conflicts unfolding all
around the world. I spoke with the UN Secretary General
on Friday, and Antonio Guterres told me we're now entering
into a multipolar world.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
This is no longer a bipolar moons, This is no
longer a unipolar world. This is at the present moment
the chaotic worlds but moving into a multi polar world.
And we need to build the multilateral institutions of the future.
That's why we are informing the UN. And let's not
forget there was multipolarity in Europe before the First World
War in the absence of multilateral institutions.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
The result was, well.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It does seem like this is just the kind of
moment the UN was created eighty years ago to address.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
A couple months ago, I spoke to someone and kind
of brought up the same question and his answer was, well,
we haven't had a Third World War yet, so the
UN is still working. But yeah, I mean, we have
the conflict between Israel and God, we had Russia and Ukraine.
There was actually a Security Council meeting called on by
Estonia to defend their own airspace, and now NATO is
saying that they're going to really defend their countries if
(08:11):
Russia flies over them. So there's also tension with Iran
right now. They're kind of in a very tight spot
where they have a week left to maybe come up
with a deal before the UN brings back sanctions on Iran.
But as long as we don't start World War three,
some experts say that the UN is working.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I want to go back to President Trump's speech, and
I wonder if you could draw a contrast between the
speech that he delivered in twenty twenty five and the
first speech he delivered eight years ago, help us understand
just how different the world is today than it was
eight years ago. I mean, President Trump had this ambition
to kind of reorder the global order. There were those
who didn't take him seriously before. He has been successful
(08:49):
in kind of pushing for or making a lot of
the changes that he said he would back then.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I think that's exactly right. I think eight years ago
people didn't take him as seriously. I think world leaders
of thought he was a bit of a joke. And
now he's here and he is not a joke. They're
taking him seriously. They're making sure to get in his
good grace. Is because they know he can and will
make their lives difficult if he wants to.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
You hear the President's skepticism of the UN as it
exists today, and I'm curious how that affects the way
other Member states look at the US's role in the UN.
As you talk to people there, other diplomats, what do
they say just about the level of power influence that
the US has today.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, I think one of the hardest things for a
lot of the Members states is the reality that no
other country can really step up to take the US's place.
There is a lot of speculation that China might step
up and have more influence in the UN or a
different country, but the magnitude of the US's influence and
just I mean the sheer scope of the money they contributed,
no one can match that. So sure, some countries might
(09:56):
try here and there, but I mean, I think it's unmatchable.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Without the full backing of the US. How much can
the UN do to promote peace and security around the world,
That's next. One common criticism of the United Nations is
(10:23):
that when it comes to resolving conflict, one of its
main roles, it's ineffective. The UN Security Council has the
big and important role of maintaining security and peace around
the world, but it's often deadlocked, frozen, blocked from moving
forward because the Council's five permanent members. China, France, Russia,
the United Kingdom and the US have all powerful vetos
(10:46):
and often the countries can't agree. I ask Secretary General
Guterrez how the broader institution can continue to operate when
this central body is unable to do its job effectively.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
T N is much more than this Security Council.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
We are by far the main distributors a mimitarian aid
in the world. We are in the front line of
climate action, so we are involved in lots of activities
of all kinds to the benefit of the people around
the world.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
We have a problem, yes, in the core area of
our activity, which is peace and security.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
We depend on a Security Council that today has a
problem of legitimacy because it doesn't correspond anymore to the
world of today. When we were talking about multipolarity, where
is the multipolarity in the Security Council? Clearly not and
it has a problem with efficiency and that is a
serious restriction for our activity. But usually say, when we
(11:51):
do not have a dog, we hunt with a cat.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
But we hunt.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
On Tuesday, the Security Council had separate three hour meetings
on Gaza and Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
There are a lot of conversations about these conflicts, and
then I do think in the background there's that sense.
So do we need the UN for this or not?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
The question of Palestinian statehood is of course front and
center at this gathering, Canada, the UK, and Australia announcing
they now recognize Palestinian statehood. What is your sense of
the significance of them doing that and how is that
reverberating around the UN this week.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I mean, it's pretty clear, and everyone has said that
it's mostly symbolic. I mean, in the long run, I
know that Macrone said he's hoping to have embassies and
to have more solid things that represent that France recognize
as Palestine as a state, and I'm sure other countries
are working on that as well, But for now, you know,
in the short term it is mostly just ideological, which
(12:50):
some countries think is good because it's going to put
pressure on Israel. Someone I spoke to yesterday actually said
it might be counterproductive because the pressure on Israel might
actually be a motivation for them to really bring down
the hammer harder than before because they feel more threatened.
So I mean, I guess we'll see what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Another point of tension at this year's General Assembly is immigration.
In his Tuesday remarks, Trump called on other UN member
countries to clamp down on border security.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It's time to end the failed experiment of open borders.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
You have to end it now.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Let's see. I can tell you I'm really good at
this stuff. Your countries are going to hell.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Trump has pressured the UN to change its protocols for
asylum seekers.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Basically, the UN has had this long standing rule for
how asylum should work, and the Trump administration they want,
I think, to have the countries that people arrive to
make more of the decisions rather than the people. They
shouldn't be able to decide which country to go to.
They should just like, you know, if you make it
to one place, then that's where you're stuck. You can't
suddenly decide to go somewhere else. I think Trump also
(13:58):
wants to propose that the host country can get to
decide when the asylum seeker can go back, Like they
can assess how the other country's doing, and if the
host country decides that it's okay, then the person can
be sent back. So they definitely want to make a.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Lot of changes in light of what we've discussed. I
think the trajectory of the UN doesn't sound like it's
on a great path. What are your sources say about
where the organization is headed.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
This is not the first year, and I don't think
it'll be the last year where people say that the
United Nations is in the crisis. I mean, I think
ever since it was founded, people have criticized it. People
have thought that it's going to fail, and it hasn't.
And a lot of the sources I've spoken to, I mean,
when you know, there was the crisis in Iran and
(14:44):
things like that, we're saying, yeah, the UN can't really
mitigate every single little fight between two countries. They just
have to make sure the big picture stays okay. And
so yeah, I think. I mean, someone was saying, we're
going to be here next year again, and we're going
to be one if we're going to be here the
year after that, but we probably will. Like, I don't
think the UN is going anywhere, even though people every
(15:07):
year think it might be its last year.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
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