August 22, 2025 • 11 mins
At a time when cities across the country are struggling to meet urgent housing demand, New Rochelle, New York is touting a replicable model that is garnering national attention. Through what local leadership calls the “New Rochelle Model,” the city has taken a proactive approach to development by streamlining approvals, utilizing public-private partnerships, offering targeted tax incentives, and implementing a form-based zoning code. Over the past decade, New Rochelle has added over 4,500 new housing units with an additional 6,500 units in the pipeline. That equates to a 37% increase in New Rochelle's apartment supply, all while rents fell 2% from 2020 to 2023, making it a regional standout among its Westchester peers and New York City.
Mayor Yadira Ramos-Herbert discusses her city's standout progress on housing affordability, helping it achieve in an area where many other municipalities are falling behind. Mayor Ramos-Herbert speaks with Tim Stenovec and Norah Mulinda on Bloomberg Businessweek Daily.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. You're listening to Bloomberg
BusinessWeek with Carol Masser and Tim Steneveek on Bloomberg Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Housing is an issue all over the country. We know this.
There's not enough of it. It's too expensive because there's
not enough of it, and politicians at the national level
only have so much control thanks to local zoning laws
and the reality of local politics. So what is a
city to do. New Rochelle, just outside of New York City,
(00:35):
is trying to buck the trend and build homes. We're
joined by the Mayor, Yadira Ramos Herbert. She's a Democrat
of New Rochelle. She joins us here in the Bloomberg
Interactive Brokers Studio. We should note that the city of
New Rochelle has received funding as part of the Bloomberg
Philanthropies Mayor's Challenge, and the mayor has participated in various
(00:55):
Bloomberg Philanthropies programs.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Mayor Romos Herbert, thanks for v here.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
As we've been discussing, we know the US housing supply
and affordability really remains a prominent issue for so many
Americans who are looking to find a place to live.
Tell us a bit more about what you're doing in
the city of New Rochelle, which of course we know
is only about seventeen miles away from where we're sitting
right now in midtown Manhattan. What are you all doing
to address some of these concerns?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Absolutely so back in twenty fifteen New Rochelle setup, but
we now call the Neurochelle model a form based zone code. Essentially,
the city council, in partnership with RXR and working with residents,
really sat down and took a look at where can
we build and what do we need to do to
streamline processes, sort of frontload some of the environmental reviews
and processes so that when developers come in, they can
(01:41):
be approved in as little as ninety days, break ground
and essentially start leasing out in three years.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Ninety days. I mean, that's like a different language. Then
we're like a different reality than we're used to if
we're talking about development. Just contextualize that for us. How
long would it typically take if you weren't able to
fast track this?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I mean, I guess and you were from five to
ten years? Is anything? I mean within the last ten
yearies in n years exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You mentioned r XR. Talk a little bit about public
private partnerships here and how you view as mayor the
need to partner with for profit companies in order to
get this done.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Absolutely, it's been a key to what's allowed to be successful.
Those resources allow us to invest in our community without
raising property taxes. We worked with the community here what
do you want to see in you Rochelle, And through
our public private partnership, we've enhanced plazas, We've brought murals,
we've increased ev charging stations, we've bought a black box
theater right to our main street, We're opening parklets and
(02:39):
so really working together, providing assurances to developers, everybody essentially wins.
And never mind that rents are actually holding steady and
actually decrease the median rent in twenty twenty to twenty
twenty three at a rate that's unheard of in the region.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
So what have been some of the challenges. Of course,
this isn't something I imagine had that have been easy
to accomplish, So what were some of the challenges that
you all experience as you were trying to deliver a
world in area city in which things are a bit
more affordable. Sure.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I mean what's really wonderful is when they started, I
wasn't on the city council. I was a mom of
two kids, so I was the resident sort of being like,
I want to see stuff in the downtown. I want
to know what's going on. I think change is hard,
right and right now. I kind of call it like
our teenage years. You know, where two thirds of our
buildings have been approved, We've authorized eleven thousand units, eleven
thousand kitchen table moments, and about two thirds have been
authorized and leasing up and so there's construction, and there's noise,
(03:28):
and maybe with the right turn you make for coffee,
you have to make a left and wait a few
more minutes of the light. But it's staying engaged with
the community and reminding them there are little tangible assets
in our downtown that did not exist six years ago.
Never mind again contributing to the housing and other investments
we've made surrounding the downtown.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
What have been the politics of this, Because when we
talk about zoning and we talk about the idea of
building more dense and affordable housing or just more housing people,
I guess I could rephrase this. People love to complain
that housing is too expensive, but then when it comes
to actually building that housing, if it's put up to
a vote, they strike it down.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Like not in my neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
They don't want it understood. Well, it depends on It
depends on where you live, because that has to do
with zoning, and that might not actually be up to you.
In certain parts of New York City, it's not necessarily
up to us, and we've seen that play out. But
politically this stuff can get really charged. What do they
think of it?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Absolutely? I mean it's the forum based zone coding essentially
allows the city council, the elected officials, to set the
scaffolding and sort of pinpoint where and then hands off
the professional staff actually closed the deal. We have a
council manager form of governments, our city manager, our Commissioner
of Development. We have an Industrial Development Agency that really
work out the nuances, the financial elements of it, and
(04:39):
the projects are authorized. So again, when you decide to
build a new Michelle, there's assurances you don't have to
worry about a project being voted down the way maybe
other regions municipalities do if you fit the specs that
we've already identified. Again the council, working with the staff
and the community, you have an assurance that you're going
to be able to lease up within two to three
years of breaking round.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So you mentioned that you spent a lot of time
talking to the community, engaging with the community to see
what they'd like to see reflected in the area. What
are some of the things that they've been interested to see.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Green space, of course, more space for kids to play.
More dogs are a big hit, and so dog runs
and opportunities for dogs to have space to kind of
stretch their legs, I guess leaving the apartment. We are
a huge lover of the art. So, as I mentioned,
we have a black box theater that's going to open
the first half of twenty twenty six, and we've added
murals to the community. But the downtown development has also
(05:26):
served as a catalyst for other parts of development. So
we have a project called the Link. We're taking three
lanes of a Robert Moses kind of project and making
it a linear park connecting parts of our farther out
of our downtown to the actual downtown proper. We just
approved a project Pratt Landing is what we call it.
It's going to give waterfront access in addition to a
community asset in an armory, ninety nine condos, one hundred
(05:48):
apartment buildings, and a hotel. And we're revitalizing our train station.
In three to five years will be the only station
in Westchester where with one seat you can go to
Grand Central or pen And so this development has allowed
us to really respond to resident needs, concerns, and what
they want to see in a really holistic way.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So we like talking to mayors because and everybody who
listens and watches our program knows that it's where the
rubber meets the road when it comes to actually getting
stuff done. Sure, really being accountable each and every day
to the people you serve, because you see them out,
you are there with them on that I'm wondering specifically
about transportation and in an environment where you talked about, okay, well,
(06:27):
if there is more density, if there is more housing,
you might have to wait more when you take a
right turn to get your coffee because the traffic is increased.
Do we live in a world where we can realistically
think that we could improve mass transit in small towns
or have we shown that as a country we just
cannot make those investments. I mean, look at California's high
speed rail and the failure that I think many people
(06:48):
would say we saw there.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So New Rochelle already has the privilege of being the
second busiest line on the New Haven's signs, second only
the Grand Central, believe it or not, and the majority
of our buildings are actually being built around this transit
oriented development. We're also a hub to nine bus lines
county and city bus lines, so you can get to
the Bronx or Yonkers right from the same transit center.
And our development allowed us to invest in some micromobility options.
(07:10):
We have something called this Circuit, which is an electric
shuttle you can call it like you call Ubert, absolutely
free and takes you in to various parts of the
city where scuter nation as well. So micromobility, and we're
investing in bike LANs. The link will actually add bike
lanes and connectivity in another way. So I think based
on our foundation, but also the way we've been able
to expand we are addressing transportation in a green way.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
That's interesting to hear that like got a micromobility level
in addition to changing the way traffic patterns are we're
speaking with Yadira Ramos Herbert, the Democratic mayor of New Rochelle,
joining us here in the Bloomberg Interactive Broker's studio. As
I mentioned, housing is probably one thing that Democrats and
Republicans at the national level can agree on needs to
be addressed. Their way of doing that doesn't necessarily fall
(07:53):
in line with one another. They don't see eye to
I we heard from Jade Vance at the vice presidential
debate last year talking about opening up land, for example,
to build more housing. What is your advice to leaders
around the country, because you've been able to do this
successfully as ways that other communities can do this.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I mean, I think some of the models that can
be barre from streamline processes. What are the pain points
every municipality.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You're essentially saying, get rid of.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Regulation, streamline processes regulation.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
How do you do that without getting rid of regulation? Now,
do you make sure that environmental review that you're not
going to kill the sea turtles or whatever if you
build here?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So we did conduct an environmental review back in twenty
fifteen and with in partnership with RXR. So it's not
that we're getting rid of it, we're just front loading
that process so that you have a sense already of
if you choose to develop in this site, what are
some of the issues, what's the investment you're going to
have to make to meet those kind of codes. So
I think that's one We looked at a lot of
underutilized sites. Some of our sites were like old parking
lots that were not being used, that were in bad shape.
(08:50):
You know, former schools that were closed, but the structure
was still there. And so every municipal leader knows their community,
they know their corners where they could be a little
bit more energy lights on, and that with that, in
combombination with streamlining processes, I think will allow some positive
results for this in the housing front.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So I want to go back to your earlier question
just about what types of advisor. I know you mentioned
like some of the things that you all are working on,
but I would say, you know, more logistically, what type
of advice would you give to other parts of the nation,
because not everywhere is like New Rochelle. Of course we
were talking about LA We could talk about New York City.
Here in Manhattan, Midtown, Sure, what is some advice that
people can really take away here?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I still stand by You know your corners, you know
your blocks, you know the underutilized sites, you know where
maybe it's like they're really business hasn't grown there there
really has. It's been empty, there's lack of density. And
I know it's tricky to say mid Tom Manhattan, right,
you're going to use that specifically. I appreciate where we are,
but every leader knows every corner. I know every corner,
every black and where to think about that and so
(09:49):
really thinking about what can be catalyzed and again we
all know our own zoning and processes. Really being honest
and holistically reviewing that I think will allow different communities
to catalyze and also add housing in a way that
helps to adjust the crisis that we're facing.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
You have a law degree, Yes, you're a litigator, Yes,
in a previous life or currently. Is this a job
that you can do while you're mayor.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yes, that's a great question. I would not be able
to do it at the same pace that I did
when I was a new lawyer. It was also an
associating at Columbia Law School prior to becoming mayor. But
I actually am looking to do a little bit of
practice on the side.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So It raises the question about your own future and
how you think about your own political path forward, what's
next for you.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I don't think about my political cut path forward right now.
The job is to make sure all eleven thousand units homes,
kitchen table moments are catalyzed. It's to make sure the
Link launches. It's deceive the landing project, the waterfront project,
and we also started something called the Vanguard Initiative. We're
investing two point twenty five million dollars in small businesses.
I want to turn on those lights on every one
of those first floors in my downtown. That's my mission.
(10:54):
That's the only thing I'm focused on right now.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You don't think at all about a bigger platform.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I love the portfolio that New Michelle has given me,
and that's really one. I want to finish the job,
and to think otherwise would take my distraction.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
When do you think the job will be finished?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
That's a great question. I mean the link, you know,
maybe I think within I would argue within five to
seven we will see a significant transformative change in the
downtown that can be measured through sales tax revenue and
other initiatives and incentives coming to.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Life Yadira Ramas Herbert. She's the Democratic mayor of New Rochelle.
She joins us here in the Bloomberg Interactive Brokers Studio.
Thanks so much for joining us this afternoon.
Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. You're listening to Bloomberg
BusinessWeek with Carol Masser and Tim Steneveek on Bloomberg Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Housing is an issue all over the country. We know this.
There's not enough of it. It's too expensive because there's
not enough of it, and politicians at the national level
only have so much control thanks to local zoning laws
and the reality of local politics. So what is a
city to do. New Rochelle, just outside of New York City,
(00:35):
is trying to buck the trend and build homes. We're
joined by the Mayor, Yadira Ramos Herbert. She's a Democrat
of New Rochelle. She joins us here in the Bloomberg
Interactive Brokers Studio. We should note that the city of
New Rochelle has received funding as part of the Bloomberg
Philanthropies Mayor's Challenge, and the mayor has participated in various
(00:55):
Bloomberg Philanthropies programs.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Mayor Romos Herbert, thanks for v here.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
As we've been discussing, we know the US housing supply
and affordability really remains a prominent issue for so many
Americans who are looking to find a place to live.
Tell us a bit more about what you're doing in
the city of New Rochelle, which of course we know
is only about seventeen miles away from where we're sitting
right now in midtown Manhattan. What are you all doing
to address some of these concerns?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Absolutely so back in twenty fifteen New Rochelle setup, but
we now call the Neurochelle model a form based zone code. Essentially,
the city council, in partnership with RXR and working with residents,
really sat down and took a look at where can
we build and what do we need to do to
streamline processes, sort of frontload some of the environmental reviews
and processes so that when developers come in, they can
(01:41):
be approved in as little as ninety days, break ground
and essentially start leasing out in three years.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Ninety days. I mean, that's like a different language. Then
we're like a different reality than we're used to if
we're talking about development. Just contextualize that for us. How
long would it typically take if you weren't able to
fast track this?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I mean, I guess and you were from five to
ten years? Is anything? I mean within the last ten
yearies in n years exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You mentioned r XR. Talk a little bit about public
private partnerships here and how you view as mayor the
need to partner with for profit companies in order to
get this done.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Absolutely, it's been a key to what's allowed to be successful.
Those resources allow us to invest in our community without
raising property taxes. We worked with the community here what
do you want to see in you Rochelle, And through
our public private partnership, we've enhanced plazas, We've brought murals,
we've increased ev charging stations, we've bought a black box
theater right to our main street, We're opening parklets and
(02:39):
so really working together, providing assurances to developers, everybody essentially wins.
And never mind that rents are actually holding steady and
actually decrease the median rent in twenty twenty to twenty
twenty three at a rate that's unheard of in the region.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
So what have been some of the challenges. Of course,
this isn't something I imagine had that have been easy
to accomplish, So what were some of the challenges that
you all experience as you were trying to deliver a
world in area city in which things are a bit
more affordable. Sure.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I mean what's really wonderful is when they started, I
wasn't on the city council. I was a mom of
two kids, so I was the resident sort of being like,
I want to see stuff in the downtown. I want
to know what's going on. I think change is hard,
right and right now. I kind of call it like
our teenage years. You know, where two thirds of our
buildings have been approved, We've authorized eleven thousand units, eleven
thousand kitchen table moments, and about two thirds have been
authorized and leasing up and so there's construction, and there's noise,
(03:28):
and maybe with the right turn you make for coffee,
you have to make a left and wait a few
more minutes of the light. But it's staying engaged with
the community and reminding them there are little tangible assets
in our downtown that did not exist six years ago.
Never mind again contributing to the housing and other investments
we've made surrounding the downtown.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
What have been the politics of this, Because when we
talk about zoning and we talk about the idea of
building more dense and affordable housing or just more housing people,
I guess I could rephrase this. People love to complain
that housing is too expensive, but then when it comes
to actually building that housing, if it's put up to
a vote, they strike it down.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Like not in my neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
They don't want it understood. Well, it depends on It
depends on where you live, because that has to do
with zoning, and that might not actually be up to you.
In certain parts of New York City, it's not necessarily
up to us, and we've seen that play out. But
politically this stuff can get really charged. What do they
think of it?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Absolutely? I mean it's the forum based zone coding essentially
allows the city council, the elected officials, to set the
scaffolding and sort of pinpoint where and then hands off
the professional staff actually closed the deal. We have a
council manager form of governments, our city manager, our Commissioner
of Development. We have an Industrial Development Agency that really
work out the nuances, the financial elements of it, and
(04:39):
the projects are authorized. So again, when you decide to
build a new Michelle, there's assurances you don't have to
worry about a project being voted down the way maybe
other regions municipalities do if you fit the specs that
we've already identified. Again the council, working with the staff
and the community, you have an assurance that you're going
to be able to lease up within two to three
years of breaking round.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
So you mentioned that you spent a lot of time
talking to the community, engaging with the community to see
what they'd like to see reflected in the area. What
are some of the things that they've been interested to see.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Green space, of course, more space for kids to play.
More dogs are a big hit, and so dog runs
and opportunities for dogs to have space to kind of
stretch their legs, I guess leaving the apartment. We are
a huge lover of the art. So, as I mentioned,
we have a black box theater that's going to open
the first half of twenty twenty six, and we've added
murals to the community. But the downtown development has also
(05:26):
served as a catalyst for other parts of development. So
we have a project called the Link. We're taking three
lanes of a Robert Moses kind of project and making
it a linear park connecting parts of our farther out
of our downtown to the actual downtown proper. We just
approved a project Pratt Landing is what we call it.
It's going to give waterfront access in addition to a
community asset in an armory, ninety nine condos, one hundred
(05:48):
apartment buildings, and a hotel. And we're revitalizing our train station.
In three to five years will be the only station
in Westchester where with one seat you can go to
Grand Central or pen And so this development has allowed
us to really respond to resident needs, concerns, and what
they want to see in a really holistic way.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So we like talking to mayors because and everybody who
listens and watches our program knows that it's where the
rubber meets the road when it comes to actually getting
stuff done. Sure, really being accountable each and every day
to the people you serve, because you see them out,
you are there with them on that I'm wondering specifically
about transportation and in an environment where you talked about, okay, well,
(06:27):
if there is more density, if there is more housing,
you might have to wait more when you take a
right turn to get your coffee because the traffic is increased.
Do we live in a world where we can realistically
think that we could improve mass transit in small towns
or have we shown that as a country we just
cannot make those investments. I mean, look at California's high
speed rail and the failure that I think many people
(06:48):
would say we saw there.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So New Rochelle already has the privilege of being the
second busiest line on the New Haven's signs, second only
the Grand Central, believe it or not, and the majority
of our buildings are actually being built around this transit
oriented development. We're also a hub to nine bus lines
county and city bus lines, so you can get to
the Bronx or Yonkers right from the same transit center.
And our development allowed us to invest in some micromobility options.
(07:10):
We have something called this Circuit, which is an electric
shuttle you can call it like you call Ubert, absolutely
free and takes you in to various parts of the
city where scuter nation as well. So micromobility, and we're
investing in bike LANs. The link will actually add bike
lanes and connectivity in another way. So I think based
on our foundation, but also the way we've been able
to expand we are addressing transportation in a green way.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
That's interesting to hear that like got a micromobility level
in addition to changing the way traffic patterns are we're
speaking with Yadira Ramos Herbert, the Democratic mayor of New Rochelle,
joining us here in the Bloomberg Interactive Broker's studio. As
I mentioned, housing is probably one thing that Democrats and
Republicans at the national level can agree on needs to
be addressed. Their way of doing that doesn't necessarily fall
(07:53):
in line with one another. They don't see eye to
I we heard from Jade Vance at the vice presidential
debate last year talking about opening up land, for example,
to build more housing. What is your advice to leaders
around the country, because you've been able to do this
successfully as ways that other communities can do this.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I mean, I think some of the models that can
be barre from streamline processes. What are the pain points
every municipality.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
You're essentially saying, get rid of.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Regulation, streamline processes regulation.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
How do you do that without getting rid of regulation? Now,
do you make sure that environmental review that you're not
going to kill the sea turtles or whatever if you
build here?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So we did conduct an environmental review back in twenty
fifteen and with in partnership with RXR. So it's not
that we're getting rid of it, we're just front loading
that process so that you have a sense already of
if you choose to develop in this site, what are
some of the issues, what's the investment you're going to
have to make to meet those kind of codes. So
I think that's one We looked at a lot of
underutilized sites. Some of our sites were like old parking
lots that were not being used, that were in bad shape.
(08:50):
You know, former schools that were closed, but the structure
was still there. And so every municipal leader knows their community,
they know their corners where they could be a little
bit more energy lights on, and that with that, in
combombination with streamlining processes, I think will allow some positive
results for this in the housing front.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So I want to go back to your earlier question
just about what types of advisor. I know you mentioned
like some of the things that you all are working on,
but I would say, you know, more logistically, what type
of advice would you give to other parts of the nation,
because not everywhere is like New Rochelle. Of course we
were talking about LA We could talk about New York City.
Here in Manhattan, Midtown, Sure, what is some advice that
people can really take away here?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I still stand by You know your corners, you know
your blocks, you know the underutilized sites, you know where
maybe it's like they're really business hasn't grown there there
really has. It's been empty, there's lack of density. And
I know it's tricky to say mid Tom Manhattan, right,
you're going to use that specifically. I appreciate where we are,
but every leader knows every corner. I know every corner,
every black and where to think about that and so
(09:49):
really thinking about what can be catalyzed and again we
all know our own zoning and processes. Really being honest
and holistically reviewing that I think will allow different communities
to catalyze and also add housing in a way that
helps to adjust the crisis that we're facing.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
You have a law degree, Yes, you're a litigator, Yes,
in a previous life or currently. Is this a job
that you can do while you're mayor.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yes, that's a great question. I would not be able
to do it at the same pace that I did
when I was a new lawyer. It was also an
associating at Columbia Law School prior to becoming mayor. But
I actually am looking to do a little bit of
practice on the side.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So It raises the question about your own future and
how you think about your own political path forward, what's
next for you.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I don't think about my political cut path forward right now.
The job is to make sure all eleven thousand units homes,
kitchen table moments are catalyzed. It's to make sure the
Link launches. It's deceive the landing project, the waterfront project,
and we also started something called the Vanguard Initiative. We're
investing two point twenty five million dollars in small businesses.
I want to turn on those lights on every one
of those first floors in my downtown. That's my mission.
(10:54):
That's the only thing I'm focused on right now.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You don't think at all about a bigger platform.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I love the portfolio that New Michelle has given me,
and that's really one. I want to finish the job,
and to think otherwise would take my distraction.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
When do you think the job will be finished?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
That's a great question. I mean the link, you know,
maybe I think within I would argue within five to
seven we will see a significant transformative change in the
downtown that can be measured through sales tax revenue and
other initiatives and incentives coming to.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Life Yadira Ramas Herbert. She's the Democratic mayor of New Rochelle.
She joins us here in the Bloomberg Interactive Brokers Studio.
Thanks so much for joining us this afternoon.
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