July 31, 2025 • 12 mins
Amazon.com dropped in late trading after projecting weaker-than-expected operating income and trailing the sales growth of its cloud rivals, leaving investors searching for signs that the company’s huge investments in artificial intelligence are paying off. Operating profit will be $15.5 billion to $20.5 billion in the period ending in September, compared with an average estimate of $19.4 billion. Sales will be $174 billion to $179.5 billion, the company said Thursday in a statement. Analysts, on average, expected $173.2 billion. Chief Executive Officer Andy Jassy is engaged in an AI infrastructure arms race with Microsoft Corp. and Alphabet Inc. that requires heavy spending on data centers. Both of those rivals earlier reported strong earnings showing they are benefiting from the AI boom.
For instant reaction and analysis, hosts Carol Massar and Tim Stenovec speak with:
- Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Technology Analyst Anurag Rana
- Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Analyst for E-commerce & Athleisure Poonam Goyal
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is a breaking
news update from Bloomberg, instant reaction and analysis from our
three thousand journalists and analysts around the world. Amazon shares
down in the after hours. The company cees third quarter
(00:23):
operating income fifteen and a half to twenty point five
billion dollars. I was in line with estimates that are
at nineteen point four two billion. I guess maybe on
the lower side, it's not in line and head quarter
operating income though blue past estimates at nineteen point one
seven billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, I do think that third quarter operating income could possibly,
especially the downside or the lower end of the estimate,
be problematic. Let's see what our team has to say.
It is such a massive company, as you know, we
need two Bloomberg Intelligence analysts to really break it down
with us. Is senior technology analyst Ana Agrana and senior
analysts excuse me for e commerce and at leisure Punamgoyle
(00:58):
at a RAG out there in our Chicago bureau, and
we've got Punham in our Princeton bureau. Hey, honourg I
want to start with you because AWS is always so
important when it comes to the top and bottom line
here at Amazon, walk us through what we got on
that side of the business.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, I mean, as you see, you know, they met
expectations on aw's growth of seventeen percent in constant currency.
But you know, this is where we are saying that
this is probably not good enough because Microsoft beat by
a big number, Google beat by a big number, and
the big question is going to be, you know, why
didn't Amazon beat by a big number? And I think
we look forward to hearing what management has to say
(01:34):
about it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I want to bring in Punham here because one thing
that I noticed when I was reading this in real
time the statement from CEO Andy Jasse, also president over
at Amazon, was Punham how much he talked about the
connection between the shopping experience for Amazon's core customer and
artificial intelligence. Because up to now, and maybe I'm wrong,
but I've thought about AI and the context of AWS,
(01:57):
but what he's trying to communicate to investors is the
effect that AI is happening is having on how people
are buying stuff. Is it actually doing that?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah? Absolutely. You know, AI is a big deal in
e commerce, and Amazon's been investing a lot to improve
the customer experience. It starts with search, right when you
go to Amazon and you're searching something. They've just improved
it and they've also launched rufes, which is their AI
or your personal assistant, So that's really been helping shoppers
and just you know, figure out what they want to buy.
(02:28):
You want to buy a microwave, but what microwave is better?
The shopping assistant helps you not only bring choices forward,
but also helps you navigate through the descriptions, the pricing, etc.
So it really helps improve conversion. And that's where AI
is helping on the shopping side.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Are you what metrics do you look at punam to
make sure that the investments that they're making are actually
leading me to spend more money on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
So Amazon doesn't share all the metrics that we'd like
to see, but we know that they've talked about conversion
and how that's improving. So I think that's the number
one metric to any extent when we get color around that,
I think that is what's most important. If you think
back online conversion just broadly speaking is in the low
to midsig diligit range, So only about five percent of
(03:12):
shoppers that go online to shop actually transact. It's very
very low compared to a brick and mortar store, and
every little that Amazon does on AI or anything else
is going to help boost that conversion. It's higher on Amazon.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Of course, let's remind everybody that in the aftermarket following earnings,
Amazon down about two point six percent. Here it's only
up about seven percent year to date. Ana Rag, you know,
you talked about, you know, the blow out numbers that
we've gotten from the likes of Alphabet and others. When
it comes to cloud aws, as we said, the growth
was in line with what the street was expecting. What
(03:45):
might why why might they not have outperformed what we
got from some of the other hyperscalers.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
You know, the first thing is they are much larger
than all the others. Their round rate is over one
hundred million dollars, So you know, that's one factor, and
you know, to be very honest, growing seventeen eight one
hundred billion is not a bad deal. But the second
part is when you look at somebody like a Microsoft,
they are getting a bit the benefit of you know,
chat GPT transactions being run on their cloud. So you know,
(04:13):
that's that's a huge benefit for them. Amazon doesn't have
that option, frankly because they don't have a chat GIPD
like you know application that's running. A lot of what
they're doing is on the enterprise side, and at those
applications are currently in the build phase, which means over
the next several years we should see the trickle down
effect of those usage you know, driving up awis. So
(04:35):
I think there is a timing mismatch. I don't see,
you know, them as being inferior in any way to
some of the other cloud providers. In fact, as I said,
they are the largest with probably the most services out
there right now.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Do they stay the largest? I mean, they certainly were
early into this. I think you could say that they
helped invent this. I mean Andy Jasse certainly, that's why
he's CEO, after heading up the Amazon Web Services and
then being picked by Bezos to take this job. Would
you say that they are comfortably in first or is
(05:07):
azure at Microsoft on IRAQ? And also is Google Cloud
doing a good job of catching up?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
They're both doing a very good job of catching up.
And as I said, you know, Microsoft has an inherent
advantage there. So maybe down the road, you know, several
years from now, let's say three to four years, they
would be neck to neck. But you know, one of
the things is this is a market where we think
the entire market is growing much bigger. You know, we
don't see five years from now ew as being a
smaller business than where it is right now. The rate
(05:33):
of growth depends on the propensity of enterprises to spend
on technology, but we think all three of them will
benefit with cloud becoming much bigger over the next three
to five years.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
We should point out some more of the statistics on
Amazon online stores net sales sixty one point five billion,
up eleven percent year over year, Physical stores net sales
about five point six billion, ups seven and a half
percent year over year. Third party seller services net sales
forty point three five billion, that's up eleven percent year
over year. Put them you know. They also say in
(06:08):
some of the commentary or conviction that AI will change
every customer experience is starting to play out. So we
talked about it a little bit earlier. I mean, what
they are doing in terms of getting people to spend
more time on the platform, spend more time on the platform,
it's all happening.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, it's happening. I mean, all the numbers that you
just cited, they have performed expectations. So whatever they're doing,
and they're doing a lot, they're doing it right. We
think that Amazon is making the right moves to expand
their retail footprint online. Once again, you know, it comes
back to what a customers want. They want everything, and
Amazon's a marketplace that really sells a lot of different
(06:43):
types of goods and they want the speed and speed
is key here because you can get things same day
or next day from Amazon without paying a fee being
a Prime member. So that's really key here. And the
numbers in the second quarter we're actually quite impressive on
the retail side. They did do really well Prime Day
sounds like it was a great success. We'll hear more
(07:03):
on the call, but the numbers outperformed on the retail side.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Is there a read a follow through if you will,
when it comes to what this tells you about kind
of consumers and the US economy.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, I think consumers are focused on value, and I
think Amazon does give you value. They are trying to
keep prices low and this may be a function of
that where you know, as consumers shop around and they're
seeing price hikes due to tariffs, either they've already started
or they're coming up. They're finding deals on Amazon, so
they are going there and that's a nice place for
(07:35):
Amazon to be as we move forward into the second half.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I want to ask both of you, and let me
start with you put them. I mean, what are you
thinking about that you want to listen for on the
call that the company does with analyst and investors top
of mine or what you would be asking?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, for me on the retail side, it's really the
terriff question and the Diminimus question. You know, we know
we're losing the diminamous exemption, so how should we think
about that in terms of their third party, especially where
they do rely on some of those drop shipping, especially Hall.
And then the second thing I'm looking for is just
how they're going to be pricing the goods as we
move into the second half, because for now we have
(08:12):
been somewhat insulated with a ten percent pause and most
goods outside of China, but that we know is changing
in the back half.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Hey on a rock, come on back in here, because
one thing that we're I'm looking at the write ups
right now and it does seem like, you know what
we said at the beginning that this operating profit estimate
for the current quarter really underwhelmed. Why is it that
Amazon doesn't get rewarded for being less profitable the same
(08:41):
way that other companies are rewarded for this or maybe
the better way to ask it would be, you know,
the measure of capex and why you know, investors are
so okay with meta platforms spending so much money, but
Amazon's operating profit not coming in as high as they
thought it would. Is it because Matta is just printing
money and has a higher margin business.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I mean, you have to remember, you know, Amazon has
a lot of retail footprint also, so you can't really
equate them to a tech company as is. I mean,
it's only the aw as part of it. But frankly speaking,
if you go back to the history of Amazon for
probably ten fifteen years, you know, they did were extremely
unprofitable and people you know, still rewarded for them. You know,
in our view, profitability story has been amazing over the
(09:25):
last three to four years. Look at where AWS has
gone from low twenties to the thirties. Now today, it
was a bit lower than what consensus were anticipating, but
you know, it ebbs and flows because of the CAPEX
that they're investing in throughout their ecosystem. Imagine a business.
I mean last quarter their aw as profit or our
operating margins were thirty nine point five percent. I mean
(09:47):
that's a forty percent margin business. That's that's pretty impressive
across any you know, tech platform. So again, it is lumpy,
but that's because of investments, that's because of how they hire.
You know, we think longer term, that is a still
a forty percent margin business.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So I want to put the same question I asked
punam Anag what you are thinking that you want to
know a little bit more about when the company gets
on the calls with the analysts and investors.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, the two things that we want to know is
what's happening to you a capex. Now, my god feels
they will want to take the capex up because all
the other job providers have done it, so they can't
really be left behind. But then the second question is, well,
can you give me an idea for all the capecks
that's going in. What kind of AI workloads are you seeing?
And if you are seeing some MAI workloads, you know,
why not disclose that number? And you know, talk about
(10:33):
it openly as Microsoft has done in the past, you know,
one and a half to two years.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Hey, Punam Goyle, I want to bring you back in
here because you cover e commerce and athleisure. Carol asked
you a really good question about if we can get
any insight into the consumer and the health of the
consumer by reading into these numbers. Would you say that
Amazon is well positioned if you indeed believe that we
could be entering a downturn. We did see this question
asked yesterday from at the Federal Reserve by one of
(11:00):
our own reporters, and referencing that Vantage Score report that
high income consumers are actually missing on their bills right
now when it comes to autos and credit cards. Is
Amazon well positioned to be a player if we do
see a downturn.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I think if we see a downturn, Amazon's not going
to escape the ramifications of that. But that said, compared
to everyone else in retail, I do think Amazon will
fare better than the rest, and I do think that
they will continue to attract the value customer who's just
looking for deals and looking for value, Because at the
end of the day, when you think about how retailers buy.
(11:39):
Those with scale have buying power, and Amazon has over
seven hundred billion dollars in GMB based on our estimates.
I can't think of a retailer bigger than that in
the US that has buying power.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
All right, put them, We're going to let you go.
Put them go out, senior analysts for e commerce and
at leisure. We're going to be watching out for her
research and commentary. Also following the company call. She is,
of course with our Bloomberg Intelligence Anna ra Grana, Thank
you so much, senior tech analysts at Bloomberg Intelligence there
in our Chicago bureau. I do want to point out, though,
Amazon the big one right now. We've just talked about
(12:10):
the company, but projecting profit for the third quarter that
is underwhelming on the expense that it has been doing.
When it comes to artificial intelligence, the race is on
for AI, and it looks like some companies take Meta,
take Microsoft, take Alphabet. Investors are impressed, but not necessarily
the case here with Amazon.
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is a breaking
news update from Bloomberg, instant reaction and analysis from our
three thousand journalists and analysts around the world. Amazon shares
down in the after hours. The company cees third quarter
(00:23):
operating income fifteen and a half to twenty point five
billion dollars. I was in line with estimates that are
at nineteen point four two billion. I guess maybe on
the lower side, it's not in line and head quarter
operating income though blue past estimates at nineteen point one
seven billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, I do think that third quarter operating income could possibly,
especially the downside or the lower end of the estimate,
be problematic. Let's see what our team has to say.
It is such a massive company, as you know, we
need two Bloomberg Intelligence analysts to really break it down
with us. Is senior technology analyst Ana Agrana and senior
analysts excuse me for e commerce and at leisure Punamgoyle
(00:58):
at a RAG out there in our Chicago bureau, and
we've got Punham in our Princeton bureau. Hey, honourg I
want to start with you because AWS is always so
important when it comes to the top and bottom line
here at Amazon, walk us through what we got on
that side of the business.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, I mean, as you see, you know, they met
expectations on aw's growth of seventeen percent in constant currency.
But you know, this is where we are saying that
this is probably not good enough because Microsoft beat by
a big number, Google beat by a big number, and
the big question is going to be, you know, why
didn't Amazon beat by a big number? And I think
we look forward to hearing what management has to say
(01:34):
about it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I want to bring in Punham here because one thing
that I noticed when I was reading this in real
time the statement from CEO Andy Jasse, also president over
at Amazon, was Punham how much he talked about the
connection between the shopping experience for Amazon's core customer and
artificial intelligence. Because up to now, and maybe I'm wrong,
but I've thought about AI and the context of AWS,
(01:57):
but what he's trying to communicate to investors is the
effect that AI is happening is having on how people
are buying stuff. Is it actually doing that?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah? Absolutely. You know, AI is a big deal in
e commerce, and Amazon's been investing a lot to improve
the customer experience. It starts with search, right when you
go to Amazon and you're searching something. They've just improved
it and they've also launched rufes, which is their AI
or your personal assistant, So that's really been helping shoppers
and just you know, figure out what they want to buy.
(02:28):
You want to buy a microwave, but what microwave is better?
The shopping assistant helps you not only bring choices forward,
but also helps you navigate through the descriptions, the pricing, etc.
So it really helps improve conversion. And that's where AI
is helping on the shopping side.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Are you what metrics do you look at punam to
make sure that the investments that they're making are actually
leading me to spend more money on Amazon.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
So Amazon doesn't share all the metrics that we'd like
to see, but we know that they've talked about conversion
and how that's improving. So I think that's the number
one metric to any extent when we get color around that,
I think that is what's most important. If you think
back online conversion just broadly speaking is in the low
to midsig diligit range, So only about five percent of
(03:12):
shoppers that go online to shop actually transact. It's very
very low compared to a brick and mortar store, and
every little that Amazon does on AI or anything else
is going to help boost that conversion. It's higher on Amazon.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Of course, let's remind everybody that in the aftermarket following earnings,
Amazon down about two point six percent. Here it's only
up about seven percent year to date. Ana Rag, you know,
you talked about, you know, the blow out numbers that
we've gotten from the likes of Alphabet and others. When
it comes to cloud aws, as we said, the growth
was in line with what the street was expecting. What
(03:45):
might why why might they not have outperformed what we
got from some of the other hyperscalers.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
You know, the first thing is they are much larger
than all the others. Their round rate is over one
hundred million dollars, So you know, that's one factor, and
you know, to be very honest, growing seventeen eight one
hundred billion is not a bad deal. But the second
part is when you look at somebody like a Microsoft,
they are getting a bit the benefit of you know,
chat GPT transactions being run on their cloud. So you know,
(04:13):
that's that's a huge benefit for them. Amazon doesn't have
that option, frankly because they don't have a chat GIPD
like you know application that's running. A lot of what
they're doing is on the enterprise side, and at those
applications are currently in the build phase, which means over
the next several years we should see the trickle down
effect of those usage you know, driving up awis. So
(04:35):
I think there is a timing mismatch. I don't see,
you know, them as being inferior in any way to
some of the other cloud providers. In fact, as I said,
they are the largest with probably the most services out
there right now.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Do they stay the largest? I mean, they certainly were
early into this. I think you could say that they
helped invent this. I mean Andy Jasse certainly, that's why
he's CEO, after heading up the Amazon Web Services and
then being picked by Bezos to take this job. Would
you say that they are comfortably in first or is
(05:07):
azure at Microsoft on IRAQ? And also is Google Cloud
doing a good job of catching up?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
They're both doing a very good job of catching up.
And as I said, you know, Microsoft has an inherent
advantage there. So maybe down the road, you know, several
years from now, let's say three to four years, they
would be neck to neck. But you know, one of
the things is this is a market where we think
the entire market is growing much bigger. You know, we
don't see five years from now ew as being a
smaller business than where it is right now. The rate
(05:33):
of growth depends on the propensity of enterprises to spend
on technology, but we think all three of them will
benefit with cloud becoming much bigger over the next three
to five years.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
We should point out some more of the statistics on
Amazon online stores net sales sixty one point five billion,
up eleven percent year over year, Physical stores net sales
about five point six billion, ups seven and a half
percent year over year. Third party seller services net sales
forty point three five billion, that's up eleven percent year
over year. Put them you know. They also say in
(06:08):
some of the commentary or conviction that AI will change
every customer experience is starting to play out. So we
talked about it a little bit earlier. I mean, what
they are doing in terms of getting people to spend
more time on the platform, spend more time on the platform,
it's all happening.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Yeah, it's happening. I mean, all the numbers that you
just cited, they have performed expectations. So whatever they're doing,
and they're doing a lot, they're doing it right. We
think that Amazon is making the right moves to expand
their retail footprint online. Once again, you know, it comes
back to what a customers want. They want everything, and
Amazon's a marketplace that really sells a lot of different
(06:43):
types of goods and they want the speed and speed
is key here because you can get things same day
or next day from Amazon without paying a fee being
a Prime member. So that's really key here. And the
numbers in the second quarter we're actually quite impressive on
the retail side. They did do really well Prime Day
sounds like it was a great success. We'll hear more
(07:03):
on the call, but the numbers outperformed on the retail side.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Is there a read a follow through if you will,
when it comes to what this tells you about kind
of consumers and the US economy.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, I think consumers are focused on value, and I
think Amazon does give you value. They are trying to
keep prices low and this may be a function of
that where you know, as consumers shop around and they're
seeing price hikes due to tariffs, either they've already started
or they're coming up. They're finding deals on Amazon, so
they are going there and that's a nice place for
(07:35):
Amazon to be as we move forward into the second half.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I want to ask both of you, and let me
start with you put them. I mean, what are you
thinking about that you want to listen for on the
call that the company does with analyst and investors top
of mine or what you would be asking?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, for me on the retail side, it's really the
terriff question and the Diminimus question. You know, we know
we're losing the diminamous exemption, so how should we think
about that in terms of their third party, especially where
they do rely on some of those drop shipping, especially Hall.
And then the second thing I'm looking for is just
how they're going to be pricing the goods as we
move into the second half, because for now we have
(08:12):
been somewhat insulated with a ten percent pause and most
goods outside of China, but that we know is changing
in the back half.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Hey on a rock, come on back in here, because
one thing that we're I'm looking at the write ups
right now and it does seem like, you know what
we said at the beginning that this operating profit estimate
for the current quarter really underwhelmed. Why is it that
Amazon doesn't get rewarded for being less profitable the same
(08:41):
way that other companies are rewarded for this or maybe
the better way to ask it would be, you know,
the measure of capex and why you know, investors are
so okay with meta platforms spending so much money, but
Amazon's operating profit not coming in as high as they
thought it would. Is it because Matta is just printing
money and has a higher margin business.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I mean, you have to remember, you know, Amazon has
a lot of retail footprint also, so you can't really
equate them to a tech company as is. I mean,
it's only the aw as part of it. But frankly speaking,
if you go back to the history of Amazon for
probably ten fifteen years, you know, they did were extremely
unprofitable and people you know, still rewarded for them. You know,
in our view, profitability story has been amazing over the
(09:25):
last three to four years. Look at where AWS has
gone from low twenties to the thirties. Now today, it
was a bit lower than what consensus were anticipating, but
you know, it ebbs and flows because of the CAPEX
that they're investing in throughout their ecosystem. Imagine a business.
I mean last quarter their aw as profit or our
operating margins were thirty nine point five percent. I mean
(09:47):
that's a forty percent margin business. That's that's pretty impressive
across any you know, tech platform. So again, it is lumpy,
but that's because of investments, that's because of how they hire.
You know, we think longer term, that is a still
a forty percent margin business.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So I want to put the same question I asked
punam Anag what you are thinking that you want to
know a little bit more about when the company gets
on the calls with the analysts and investors.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, the two things that we want to know is
what's happening to you a capex. Now, my god feels
they will want to take the capex up because all
the other job providers have done it, so they can't
really be left behind. But then the second question is, well,
can you give me an idea for all the capecks
that's going in. What kind of AI workloads are you seeing?
And if you are seeing some MAI workloads, you know,
why not disclose that number? And you know, talk about
(10:33):
it openly as Microsoft has done in the past, you know,
one and a half to two years.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Hey, Punam Goyle, I want to bring you back in
here because you cover e commerce and athleisure. Carol asked
you a really good question about if we can get
any insight into the consumer and the health of the
consumer by reading into these numbers. Would you say that
Amazon is well positioned if you indeed believe that we
could be entering a downturn. We did see this question
asked yesterday from at the Federal Reserve by one of
(11:00):
our own reporters, and referencing that Vantage Score report that
high income consumers are actually missing on their bills right
now when it comes to autos and credit cards. Is
Amazon well positioned to be a player if we do
see a downturn.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I think if we see a downturn, Amazon's not going
to escape the ramifications of that. But that said, compared
to everyone else in retail, I do think Amazon will
fare better than the rest, and I do think that
they will continue to attract the value customer who's just
looking for deals and looking for value, Because at the
end of the day, when you think about how retailers buy.
(11:39):
Those with scale have buying power, and Amazon has over
seven hundred billion dollars in GMB based on our estimates.
I can't think of a retailer bigger than that in
the US that has buying power.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
All right, put them, We're going to let you go.
Put them go out, senior analysts for e commerce and
at leisure. We're going to be watching out for her
research and commentary. Also following the company call. She is,
of course with our Bloomberg Intelligence Anna ra Grana, Thank
you so much, senior tech analysts at Bloomberg Intelligence there
in our Chicago bureau. I do want to point out, though,
Amazon the big one right now. We've just talked about
(12:10):
the company, but projecting profit for the third quarter that
is underwhelming on the expense that it has been doing.
When it comes to artificial intelligence, the race is on
for AI, and it looks like some companies take Meta,
take Microsoft, take Alphabet. Investors are impressed, but not necessarily
the case here with Amazon.
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