August 9, 2024 • 44 mins
Bloomberg's Ed Ludlow breaks down why Paramount is up as the Nickelodeon and MTV parent follows Warner Brothers in a big writedown of its cable TV networks. Plus, cybersecurity firm Akamai jumps as the DDOS specialist posts strong numbers amid scrutiny of the cybersecurity sector, and the tech grassroots group Tech4Kamala emerges to back the Vice President's bid for the White House.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From Mahard where Innovation for Money and Power Collie in
Silicon Valley NBN.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
This is Bloomberg Technology with Caroline Hyde and Ed Ludlow.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Live from San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
This is Bloombo Technology paramount up as the Nickelodeon and
MTV parent follows Warner Brothers in a big write down
of its cable TV networks and cybersecurity firm. Akami jumps
as the DVOS specialist post strong numbers amid scrutiny of.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
The cybersecurity sector.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Plus tech for Kumala, we speak to the technology leaders
and Silicon Valley Democrats backing the Vice president's bid for.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
The White House.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I want to get straight to financial markets and the
NASDAQ one hundred, very tech heavy index. You have the
megacaps and the higher multiple software names. What you're seeing
is a five day chart of the Nasdaq and it
is completely flat, zero percent over the course of the week.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
But there is peril within that.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Because if the NAZDAT one hundred closes down negative on
a weekly basis, that would mark five straight weeks of
declines for that index, which is the worst week run
of weekly drops going back to May of twenty twenty two.
If it's positive, it snaps a four week declined streak,
which it had seen in April, and things look a
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little bit rosier. We are worried about growth, we're worried
about a little bit geopolitical risk, but earnings have been
a mixed picture, where in aggregate we're probably feeling better
about the technology sector in part AI infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
That brings us to TSMC. The chipmaker.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Sales grew by forty five percent in July on strong demand.
In particular, it would seem for AI accelerators. Those are
the usadrs or US listed shares of Taiwan Semiconductor, up
eight tenths of a percent in the US session bloombergs
Ian King is here with me in San Francisco. The
data is for the month, and we're trying to sort
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of extrapolate out and say, well, for the quarter, what
does that look like? But I guess big picture it's
bullish because TSMC is the chip factory for the world.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Basically, no exactly all roads lead to into Yeah, and
I'm forty five percent is dramatic, right, that's tremendous compared
to where we were last year. But we have to
put that in context. Part of that was last year
things were depressed. A lot of smartphone market related chip
orders weren't that great. But if you're worried about this
AI infrastructure build out, if you're worried about what Invidia
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is buying, what AMD is buying, what even Intel is
buying these days, this tells you Nope, they're still putting
orders in and those factories are still working flat out.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Okay, In very simple terms, TSMC is a contract manufacturers,
So the biggest chip names go to TSMC and say,
here are our very special chips.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Make them for us please.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
That brings me to Nvidia, which reports August twenty eight,
and they are the market right now for AI accelerators.
Look ahead to August twenty eight and what we're kind
of expecting, and does TSMC kind of inform what we
might get?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I mean to an extent, yes, I mean TSMC has
a lot of customers, and Video is one of the biggest.
But Apple is also a huge customer. Qualcom is also
a huge customer, so it's not a direct linear relationship there.
But at the same time, everything we've heard, all of
the concerns we've heard about in video, can it continue
this growth rue. Nobody is doubting the fundamentals of demand.
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We're also as you've seen lots of reports about some
problems with some new tips that they've had. Yes, but
they've come out themselves and said the still demand for
our olds. Yes, some worry about it.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
That was specifically about design or engineering issues around Blackwell,
which would be the latest generation accelerator. TSMC is interesting
because it's literally concentrated in Taiwan a lot of the activity.
But the story here in the United States has been
the flow of public money from the Chips Act or
government money to onshore our industry. And there's a piece
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on the Blueberg Terminal by Mackenzie Hawkins about how now
present day much of that money has been allocated from
the Chips Act. What are the numbers behind that and
what's the impact been.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Yeah, I mean the key point that she makes in
her story is the hard work has been done, which
is like, hey, we're going to give you this, We're
going to give you this, but nothing has actually, no
checks have been mailed, right, this is all promissory right.
And as a US taxpayer, like we both are, that's
actually a smart thing because you want to see these
things built and in operation before you actually pay for them.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
This is, you know, a very complex industry and it's
very brutal economically, as we've seen with what's happening at Intel.
So you want to make sure that these things actually
get built, the equipment goes in, and then the money
gets distributed.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
As you've educated our audience on for it for quite
a while. Now takes a lot of time to build
manufacturing capacity for jips as well. Bloomberg's Ian King here
in San Francisco, thank you. Let's get back to that
story about Paramount that we alluded to at the top.
Actually an interesting or positive reaction.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
In the shares.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
It is a write down of six billion dollars on
the legacy cable TV networks. Very similar to the news
this week that we got from Warner Brothers Discovery. There
are some points of distinction with Paramount in terms of
the properties and some other news in there as well.
Bloomberg's Hannah Miller is back in New York City. So
Paramount the numbers on the right down the story behind
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the write down specific to Paramount.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
What's going on, Yeah, So it's.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
Very similar to Warner Brothers Discovery. Where they're writing down
the value of their traditional TV networks. And this is after,
you know, the streaming wars have broken out. You know,
they've taken to reevaluating their cable television as streaming continues
to grow more and more popular.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
What's different here is.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
That with Paramount, you have the backdrop of its deal
with sky Dance that is expected to finalize in the
first half of twenty twenty five. You know, there's still
a forty five day period where you know, people can
submit competing offers, but there is a lot of bullishness
around Paramount because of this pending deal.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I'm reading through your story on Paramount. By the way,
Hannah Miller, pretty new to this beat. How busy have
you been in those first few weeks of covering the
media industry? But Paramount part of the story is cost
reduction in cost cuts as well. Is that directly related
to the write down or is that a different story.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
So before you know, we learned about this write down,
you know, there's this whole five hundred million dollar cost
cutting effort that Paramount has undertaken. And then Skydance has
also identified two billion dollars worth of cost efficiencies. So
all of this has played into that they're working to
tighten the belt. Another big piece of news coming out
of the earnings call yesterday was that there are layoffs
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coming that fifteen percent of the US workforce is going
to be cut before the end of this year. So
there's a lot going on with Paramount as it prepares
to final this deal with Skuyddance.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Hannah, I think I said this to you in the
show twenty four hours ago, but I always tried to
find the technology story within this, and what's common between
those two names is the pain in the Legacy TV
network side is because of the move to streaming. But
actually Paramount streaming business just based on the growth numbers,
it seems like they're doing okay.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
Yeah, So for Paramount, they actually loss subscribers for their
Paramount Plus streaming service during the second quarter, and that
was because of a one time event the end of
this deal in South Korea.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
They're very optimistic about it.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
Otherwise, you know, they have seen revenues increase there, so
you know, despite this setback, like other companies like Warner Brothers,
they're very excited about their streaming service.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I was referring to revenue jumping thirteen percent, But you're
exactly right. Paramount Plus Service lost two point eight million
subs due to that South Koreas you just outlined Bloomberg's Hanamella,
Happy Friday.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Thank you very much for your reporting. Now coming up
on the.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Show, Roger Leed, the creator of layoffs dot Fyi, a
website for tracking tech layoffs, is going to join us
to discuss all the job cuts in aggregate that have
been announced in his data, and it's timely. Let's take
a quick look at shares of Cisco. They had been
positive or hire this Friday session. Cisco now softer six
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tenths of one percent. Reuter's is reporting that Cisco will
lay off thousands of employees in a second round of
job cuts this year, and that Cisco could announce those
job cuts as early as Wednesday of next week. It
did move the shares and Wednesday of next week, by
the way, August fourteenth, Cisco reports earnings. We'll keep an
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eye on that story and see if Bloomberg has any
advancements on it.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Be right back.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
This is Bloomberg Technology. We should keep talking about tech
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jobs and layoffs. Over one hundred and twenty six thousand
tech employees have been laid off so far in twenty
twenty four, with companies increasingly citing AI as a reason
for the job cuts. I want to bring in Roger Lee,
who's start founder and the creator of layoffs dot fyi.
It's a platform that's dedicated to tracking tech layoffs since
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the COVID nineteen pandemic in twenty twenty and you and
I were just discussing this during the commercial break. I
look at all of the news headlines and the cadence
of headlines probably starting early June through to now. But
you've got the data, so summarize the scale of what's
happening in the industry right now versus prior years where
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we saw heavy layoffs as well.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, that's right, So corn and layoffs and FI.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
We've tracked now one hundred and twenty six thousand tech
employees laid off so far in twenty twenty four. The
good news that's actually down forty two percent from the
same time last year. And if you look at the
quarter on quarter trends, tech layoffs have generally been leveling
off since their peak in Q one of twenty twenty three.
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Of course, it has spiked a little bit in the
past couple of weeks. The bad news, twenty twenty four
is still on pace to have more layoffs than any
other year this decade except for twenty twenty three. And
of course it's all a small comfort if you're one
of those one hundred and twenty six thousand people laid off.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
We just illustrated that point, Roger with a chart which
was showing your data at layoffs still FYI.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And then here's the point that I was making.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Those are big names, right, Intel, Tesla, SAP in Germany, Cisco,
We just broke that reporting on in the stock move AI.
So what you're to may or may not track, is
is there a reallocation of resource to new jobs if
the justification is AI.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
That's definitely what we're seeing in a lot of the
company's announcements for the layoffs that tech companies are increasingly
citing AI as the reason. You know, for example, earlier
this week, Dell cut thousands of employees as part of
a sales team reorg that included creating a new team
focused on AI sales. And then earlier this year, you Know,
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into It laid off one thousand, eight hundred employees and
cited that they're doing so so they can invest and
make more hires to help build Eye into its text
crop software, and it is definitely an allocation of resources.
You know, building AI is expensive, and according to salary
tracker comprehensive dot Io, a senior AI engineer in the
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Bay Area earns two hundred and eight thousand dollars per
year just in base salary, and that's sixteen percent more
than a non AII engineer and doesn't even include stock.
So if you include stock options equity, that pay package
can total easily half a million to a million dollars,
not to mention all the costs involved in infrastructure and
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hardware for building AI.
Speaker 8 (12:15):
So you know, the economic environment still tight.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Companies are finding that the only way to increase investment
in AI is to cut cost elsewhere, and hence all
the layoffs that we've been seeing.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Yeah, as Bloomberg Technology producer Margarite Galleryini just reflected on
in our team chat, maybe we're in the wrong line
of work because it's lucrative if you are a computer
scientist or software engineer in that space. There's a point
you made a minute ago about twenty twenty four. We
are in early August and so let's try and extrapolate out.
I look at the number of companies, for example, rather
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than the jobs in aggregate that are making these announcements.
Have you a sense in the direction of travel for
the remainder.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Of the year. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Typically what we see is that Q one and Q
four and to be the biggest quarters for layoffs. That's
often because companies do their annual budgeting around the end
of year, which leads to those layoffs, Whereas the middle
of the year, you know, summer period that we are
right now, actually tends to be slower.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
In terms of layoffs.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Obviously, there's some notable exceptions that you see on the
screen here.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So unfortunately, I would.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Expect that pech layoffs may pick up again as we
head towards the end of the year and early next year,
as companies take stock of their year forecast into next year,
do their annual budgeting and decide whether they have the
right team to move forwards.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
So let's do something else and do this and aggregate.
You know, you started tracking this data at the early
days of the pandemic. How does this four year period
or so compare to history. I think about the dot
com combubble, the global financial crisis.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Are the ways to compare and controst.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Roger, Yeah, stop to say, you know layoffs AFII.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
We started in twenty twenty, so don't have the numbers
from those those two time periods.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
Although I will say.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
The scale of the tech industry is just so much
bigger than during the dot com era or even the
global financial crisis, So in aggregate numbers, I believe that
this current period of layoffs is going to be the
most that we've ever seen in the tech industry, just
because the scale of the tech industry and the number
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of people working in this industry is so much higher
now than in previous years.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Roger Lee, creator of Layoffs, FYI, thank you for your
analysis and sharing your data with us, and the chart
depiction in particular really helps to illustrate what's happening in
this industry. We're also going to look at shares really
quickly of ak am I. We're going to be having
a conversation up next with the CEO. But in the
cyber space, this is a d DOOS specialist.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You see the stock off session.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Highs, but up almost ten percent a good quarter. But
the question that the analysts in the street has is
this is a company that's maybe inconsistent in the number
of quarters it strings together. A conversation coming up with
Tom Layton, who is the CEO of Akamai. Maybe he'll
push back on that. What the streets view of his company.
We'll see. This is Bloomberg Technology. It's time for talking
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tech and in the news. The owner of the company
behind Timu, Colin Wang, has become China's richest person, amassing
a fortune of forty eight point six billion US dollars.
That's according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. Hung's rise has
been fueled by China's changing shopping habits and expansion outside
of the region. With its TMU brand, plus Amazon Incs
(15:44):
an e commerce deal with TikTok and Pinterest. Users can
now link their profile from the social media platforms to
their Amazon accounts, allowing customers to buy products directly from ads.
This is social shop becomes more popular here in the
United States, and Turkey's Instagram ban hits female entrepreneurs. Orders
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drown up from female led businesses who relied on the
popular social media platform to drive sales. Turkey abruptly blocked
access to Instagram on August second, without explaining why that
was a very e commerce themed and focus selection of
news stories out there today. The earning story also continues,
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and we continue to look at cybersecurity and Akamai. The
company reported earnings after the closing belt Thursday. Co founder
and CEO Tom Layson joins us now for more.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
There are loads of words.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
And adjectives and praise used by the cell side Tom
a clean print, strong quarter growth, But what there's less
discussion of is why what were the specific factors in
the quarter.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
That put Akamai up from Well, we.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
Have several market leading products, and security obviously very important
today given the large number of damaging attacks, ransomware, data exfiltration,
and our enterprise.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Compute business doing very well.
Speaker 9 (17:12):
You know, we talked about just really getting started in
that aspect of the business this year, and now we
think we'll exit the year at a one hundred million
dollar a year annual run rate and revenue with a
lot of exciting potential for the future. And I think
those are great proof points that investors are now seeing.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
On the enterprise side. I find that very interesting.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Is it demonstrative of broad strength in your client base
those industry sort of willingness to spend or is this
something specific that Achimi is doing that allows you to
sort of outperform in a difficult environment.
Speaker 9 (17:49):
Well, security is important for every major enterprise, even in
tough economic times, which we're seeing some of now, and
we have the market leading products and.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
The major enterprises really need them to be safe.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
And in compute, I think we have a very compelling
value proposition. You know, we can provide better performance at
a much lower price point. And when you can do
that and help a major enterprise save money, well, this
is a good time to be able to have that happen.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Tom strength in the areas you outline compute security and
then a little weakness in CDN. I would like to
talk about what's happening in your industry overall. I think
we start with CrowdStrike, endpoint Specialist u DDoS. But what
was that weak and situation like for Akamai. Was there
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any tangible positive read through for you or any way
that you capitalized on what happened?
Speaker 9 (18:49):
Well, we don't use that software ourselves, so there was
no impact to Akamai, and we helped our customers you
know where we could, But that was an area where
we don't really do business I think there were a
lot of learnings for the industry as a whole. You know, first,
it really is clear you just can't be doing updates
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all at once everywhere in the world. You know, most
of the time that's okay, but eventually you're going to
have an unintended consequence, and if you update the entire
world at one time, you've got a disaster. You know,
that's a lesson we learned at Akamai pretty painfully about
twenty years ago, and ever since then. You know, we.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Phase our updates.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
After you've been through QA and you're confident, you still
just go one stage at a time, so in case
there's something that was unanticipated, you catch it before you
cause a problem. I think also there's a much better
understanding that reliability matters, and it takes a lot of investment,
but you see what happens when when you have something
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like this. I think enterprises will pay a lot more
attention to reliability going forward.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I hear you on that I'm not a cyber expert
by any means, and I know that a lot of
CIOs cyber managers CSOs watched this program and for them,
top of mind is a sort of academic debate agent
versus agent lost delivery or security of that delivery of security?
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Do you see though, away from the academic debate on
the best security systems action, your enterprise customers saw the
news cycle and picked up the phone and said, we
are changing how we do cyber.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
No there, you know, they were just trying to get
out of the disaster. I think going forward there'll be
a time of reflection into how do you prevent this
from happening? How do you keep a vendor from you know,
having this consequence. And it's not just a situation of
having multiple vendors, because might even increase the problem because
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of any one of them.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Has a big issue.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
You got a problem, but really selecting vendors who put
the extra effort and investment into making sure things stay
reliable as reliable as possible.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Tom, I guess closer to home for you, a higher
profile d doos attack on Azure in June. What did
you make of that and Microsoft's handling it and how
did it impact you?
Speaker 9 (21:25):
You know, DDoS attacks are probably the oldest kinds of
cyber attacks out there.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
They go back more than twenty years as well.
Speaker 9 (21:33):
You know, that's an area where we have leading services
to help defend customers. In fact, you know, just last
week we saw one of the top ten DDoS attacks
of all time coming out of the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You know, with the war there, we're able to.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
Defend a very important financial enterprise from that kind of
an attack. So even though it's been around a long time,
we are still seeing some very large DDoS attacks and
it's important for enterprises to have stayed.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Up the art defenses.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Even today, did us Tom Layton, CEO of Akamai. It's
great to have you back on Bloomberg Technology on your
strong quarter, but also I appreciate discussing news of late.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Now coming up on the show, we're going to talk
about how some.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Of the worlds in tech think about Kamala Harris's campaign
with Tech for Kamala co founder Shannon Nash and also
Matt Mahn, the mayor of San Jose. That conversation is
coming up next Q the Beautiful Pictures Expedia eight point
six percent strong quarter, positive discussion about the summer months,
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different to what we heard from Airbnb. An interesting one
to track this is Bloomberg Technology.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I am now officially the Democratic number. You're in Atlanta Georgia.
Speaker 10 (23:02):
When President Biden was on the ballot, Democrats had basically
conceded to losing the state.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Now that it's Vice President Kamala Harris democratcy, all seven
swing states are back in play.
Speaker 10 (23:11):
Kamala Harris is well known, but she is not well defined.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
She's not somebody I've researched to in depth.
Speaker 11 (23:17):
She's kind of laid low, But that's kind of what
Vice presidents doude.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
You're going to see both Democrats and Republicans defining her
in the ways they want those voters to see her.
Success for Harris will mean sustaining the momentum that's been
fueling her historic run.
Speaker 10 (23:34):
I get chills when I think about that, just being
a part of history, understanding that we have someone who
represents our communities.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
She's also like a really dynamic candidate, especially for younger
people like us.
Speaker 12 (23:44):
See people, if you asked a month ago, they probably
would have said that the country is not ready. But
now people are rethinking that and they're like, oh my gosh,
this could actually happen and I could be a part
of it.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
You can watch the full story of that at Bloomberg
dot com and some of the recent guests here on
Bloomberg Technology have also been weighing in on the election
and Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
There's going to be huge amounts of money that come
in on both sides.
Speaker 13 (24:15):
I think there are a lot of people like myself
who are really enthusiastic and excited about what the Kamala
Harris campaign stands for.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
She's been a longtime supporter of the tech industry.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
She will do very well in the debate, and she's
she's all over a high energy.
Speaker 13 (24:30):
She's from the Bay Area. She understands technology, she understands innovation.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
She shares a lot of values that many of us
in the tech industry have, particularly with regard to immigration.
Speaker 13 (24:40):
And ensuring that we are continuing to drive innovation in
this country.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Let's keep the conversation going with Tech for Kamala, a
grassroots group of about twelve hundred tech workers that just
came out in support of the Democratic candidate. Tech for
Kamala co founder former Wing CFO Shannon Nash joins us
now alongside the Mayor of San Jose, Matt Mahon and Shannon.
Good morning, Welcome back to Bloomberg Technology. Those points made
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in those sound bites and the backing that this new
organization is giving actually are the same points that many
Silicon Valley voices bench capesis in particular made in backing
of JD Vance. And I just want to point that
out because we've sort of had equal coverage here on
the program. But what compelled you in the first instance
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to be a part of this movement and what is
it that you see in Kamala Harris as being the
right president for the technology industry.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, I'll start really quick with that.
Speaker 14 (25:49):
I think what we've had is a few people with
big microphones, if you will, to be able to talk
about their support.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Of Trump and Van.
Speaker 14 (26:00):
Why we founded Tech for Kamala was to give voice
to the over seven million tech workers, people who work
every day at some of the most well known tech
companies vcs, founders, operators, engineers, marketers, you name it, and
all the industries that are related to tech. To give
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voice to other people who actually feel completely different and
in fact are supporting Kamala Harris for all of the
work that she has already done in supporting things like
responsible AI, STEM education, just being a real innovative leader.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So that is why we founded the organization, and.
Speaker 14 (26:40):
I gotta tell you, ed, within like a week, we
had over twelve hundred people who wanted to jump on
the bandwagon and also announce their support.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So you know, it's one vote for one person.
Speaker 14 (26:52):
Whether you have a lot of money or a big microphone,
we still all get one vote. And so this movement
has aiming to give voice to the millions of people
who have one vote and want to make sure that
their vote is heard.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Maya, mayhe your city, San Jose is just so closely
and intimately linked to the technology industry as well. You
come at this, I guess from the political perspective, but
why do you think that the technology industry is an
important voice in backing your preferred candidate.
Speaker 15 (27:24):
Well before I was mayor of San Jose, which is
the capital of Silicon Valley with nearly one million residents,
really the hometown for tech's workforce and home to many
leading technology companies like Adobe, Zoom, Cisco.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
Paipal, and on and on. I was in the tech
sector myself.
Speaker 15 (27:43):
In fact, I first met Kamala Harris about a decade
ago at Airbnb, which was just down the street from
a startup that I was involved.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
In founding and leading, and I was very impressed with her.
Speaker 15 (27:56):
You know, she came in sharing her work on public safety,
which continues to be top of mind for all of us,
and she has great experience there.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
But she also engaged with a number of us who
were tech.
Speaker 15 (28:07):
Entrepreneurs and founders around innovation topics. She understood the importance
of having a diverse workforce and supporting immigration, intellectual property,
and the kinds of infrastructure investments that we need in
common sense approach to regulations.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
So, you know, really excited that she's the top of
the ticket.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Shannon the Man makes an interesting point, which is policy
specific policy when it comes to technology, antitrust, artificial intelligence.
I think a lot of people are asking questions, are
there specific ways that Vice President Harris will be different
from President Biden's administration on the policy side as it
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relates to tech.
Speaker 14 (28:53):
Yeah, Look, what I think that she's coming out with
a lot of our policies. As you know, she's got
ninety days or less. Right in terms of making her
voice heard, what I will say to you is that
we believe in an administration that continues some of the
things that President Biden was working on. I think that
(29:14):
she will also bring a fresh perspective. You know, she's
from here, she was an attorney general. She has spent
a lot of time, as Matt has said, really listening
to you know, what would be innovative for tech.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
And so I think that we're going to see a
lot of policies and things.
Speaker 14 (29:31):
That are really helpful for the tech industry, but also
that are inclusive. And I think that's really important to
point out about, you know, something that I think a
lot of people in tech would like to see.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Man man local issues.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
You know, our guests in that SoundBite and challenge just
now reflect on Kamala Harris being from the Bay and
outside of technology. There are issues actually statewide, but the
clearing of encampments or encampments suitepes for EXAs following the
Scotis Grants past decision. It's an interesting case study. How
(30:07):
do you feel that that issue will be addressed by
the Harris campaign and how central is an issue do
you think it will be in a presidential election?
Speaker 15 (30:16):
At Lodge, look, I want a partner in the White
House who is not going to use Silicon Valley or
California more broadly merely as a punching bag. I want
a partner who is pragmatic, who understands our region, who's
going to help us deal with the very real challenges
we face. You mentioned homelessness, which is an area where
(30:38):
we are getting more pragmatic. San Jose saw fifteen percent
reduction last year. We need a partner in Washington who's
going to help fund innovative solutions.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Same goes for public safety.
Speaker 15 (30:50):
That's an area where I appreciate that Kamala Harris has
been a pragmatic centrist and I think the right approaches.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
May men, I just jump in and ask, you know,
from the Trump Vans perspective, the messaging of that campaign
is that Kamala Harris has been responsible for what they
see as being big issues with Bay Area in California cities.
Your city is under the microscope to that extent. Are
you worried about that message resonating from the Trump Vans campaign.
Speaker 15 (31:24):
No, I'm not, because I think Kamala Harris has a
record that stands on its own and she can speak
to her policy positions, which it's you know, it's kind
of ironic.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
She gets attacked from both sides for being too tough.
Speaker 15 (31:37):
On crime or being associated with what some perceive as
California's crime problem, I think she's right down the middle,
and that's exactly where I am somebody who understands her
has to be consequences for committing crime, but we also
should invest in rehabilitation and support those with addiction and
helping them get treatment.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
So I think she's got the right pragmatic approach.
Speaker 15 (31:58):
And we need that kind of partner in Washington we
navigate some very real challenges of our state faces.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Shannon, I want to finally go back to the idea
that we talked about at the start, that many came
on this program and said jd. Vance understands entrepreneurs He
has been a venture capitalist, whether you see that as
a positive or otherwise. They see him as being supportive
of technology because of his direct industry experience. What would
(32:25):
your answer to that be, And do you see the
same level of support for entrepreneurship from Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I think that Kamala Harris.
Speaker 14 (32:35):
Actually I see more support quite frankly from Kamala Harris
for entrepreneurship.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I think that she has shown that already just by the.
Speaker 14 (32:43):
Simple fact that you know, you've reported on how quickly so.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Many people have mobilized.
Speaker 14 (32:49):
It hasn't even been two weeks, right in terms of
supporting her and supporting this ticket, I think her VP
pick is.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Also really impressive.
Speaker 14 (32:58):
And so what I would say to you was, it's
one thing to have people come on this show with
big microphones. It's another thing to listen to the people,
the seven million people that are in tech, listen to
what they're interested in with their interested in for their future,
for their families. Who in the White House will most
represent them? And I think that that clear choice is
Kamala Harris.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Tech for Kamala co founder and former Wing CFO Shannon
Nash and San Jose mayor Matt Mehn, Thank you both. Okay,
I want to go back to markets and look very
quickly at what's going on. As a reminder, it's kind
of a big moment for the NASDAQ one hundred. On
a five day basis, we are basically flat, completely flat,
as you can see on your screen. But if the
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index drops on a weekly basis, that will be five
straight weeks of declines, the worst run of weekly declines
going back to May of twenty twenty two. If we
end in positive territory by more than about two tenths
of a percent on the week. Then that would snap
four straight weeks of declines, and I guess the narrative
would be a little bit different. Is a big factor
in video isn't until August twenty eighth. That's kind of
(34:03):
where we're looking. Bitcoin check out as well. Early in
the week, when we had that big financial market pressure
on Monday, bitcoin was nearer to fifty thousand US dollars.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
It's now nearer to.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Sixty or just above sixty thousand US dollars per token.
But you can see it's kind of traded in an
interesting sideways pattern throughout the week, and it's becoming part
of the discussion around the election that we just had.
Coming up on the show, we're going to be joined
by Alexandra Berbie. You get the Private markets take investor
at Sound Ventures for her investing thesis on how to
approach AI from the VC perspective. This is Bloomberg Technology.
(34:49):
This is Bloomberg Technology, and you're looking at a live
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You know where to find it on the terminal as
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Speaker 3 (35:00):
This is Gwenberg.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Okay, it's time for VC Spotlight, and today we're taking
a look at Sound Ventures. It's an early stage VC
firm founded by Ashton Kutcher and Guy is Siri, which
is invested in companies like Airbnb, Spotify, Open Ai, and more.
The firm currently has over a billion dollars in assets,
and Sound Ventures investor Alexandra Burbie joins us now, having
recently joined the firm herself. It's good to have you
(35:32):
here in San Francisco in person. Interesting move. Yes, could
we start there and talk about, you know, how that
happened Sound why you wanted to go and work with Ashton?
Speaker 6 (35:44):
Sure?
Speaker 11 (35:44):
So I got to know the team actually over the
last couple of years and had really just had an
admiration from Afar for what they were building. And I
think as the firm has evolved one they've invested in
some of these incredible companies and some of the best founders,
and the way that those founders speak about them really
spoke to me.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
And I think as an angel.
Speaker 11 (36:03):
Investor, I'd had the opportunity to work with a lot
of early stage companies at the later stage at my
previous firm. I had also seen some of those companies
that had made it through ten years with Sound as
a partner, and often they had mentioned that their their
favorite investor on their cap table. And so when you
hear that type of feedback, it's hard to not want
to get involved. And so I joined the team a
(36:24):
couple months ago and it's been a great.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Experience so far.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
The particular interest that I have in Sound is the
approach to AI application layer, foundation, layer, infrastructure. It's basically
everything we talk about in the show every single day.
Do you have a particular focus within those three buckets
or are you going to approach all three?
Speaker 11 (36:43):
So we are generalists as a firm, and i'd say
that within that. Of course, where we're spending all of
our time is in AI. I think it'd be silly
not to be saying that. But the way that we've
kind of broken out our fund is in twenty twenty three,
we launched a thematic fund, which was on the AI
foundational layer. So we invested in companies like Opening I,
like Hugging Face, like Anthropic, and that was our thematic fund.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
We use those thematic funds.
Speaker 11 (37:05):
To actually work in parallel with our flagship funds. So
the flagship fund is where I sit and I spend
time with companies across the application layer, infrastructure, and then
the everyday software layer, which is the companies we've been
investing in for fifteen years. But now they're using AI
to their advantage. So there are companies that are using
AI to speak to their customers better, to get to
(37:27):
market quicker, to be more.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Effective at what they do.
Speaker 11 (37:30):
And in that way, we are really investing exclusively in
AI companies. But it's because every company needs to be
an AI company in some form or another, or frankly,
they'll get left behind.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
How the firms runs really interesting. There are very large
firms with people who are over the place. There are
small firms that are just here in the city. You're
here in San Francisco. Sound has a relatively large presence
in SOCOW.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
So you'll be focused on the Bay Area or how
is that going to work?
Speaker 11 (37:56):
I mean, it's really we're focused on where innovation is
and so to the extent that that's in the Bay Area,
of course, we're going to be here. To the extent
that's in New York and LA, of course, we're going
to be there, and wherever it is throughout the us
throughout the globe.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
That's where we'll spend time.
Speaker 11 (38:10):
And so from that perspective, i'd say we're not regionalized
by any means, but we do spend time with founders
in all of those places, and we tend to try
to meet them in prison.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
So you were over at g squared, another name known
to us here on Bloomberg Technology.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
But kind of like consumer or consumer.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Internet focused background, you're going to carry that forward and
merge with AI.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Or is that an area you've kind of left behind? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (38:36):
So I think that my background has always been generalist
to a fault, and so I think that I've spent
time in many different industries on purpose, and it's been
very deliberate to have that kind of breadth of experience
and also breadth of founders that I've worked with, and
so at Sound, i'd say.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
That carries on.
Speaker 11 (38:53):
Many people actually think about Sound as being an exclusively
consumer firm as well, and that's a misnomer. I'd say
that people are surprised. Tell them that we've invested it,
get lab at the seed or sent to one at
the series seed. You know that that surprises people, and
so you know, I like that element of surprise one.
But I do think that having a consumer background is
actually really helpful for the enterprise because consumer companies think
(39:15):
about brand day one. That's their bread to get it
telling stories exactly, and the enterprise it takes a lot
more for them to get to that go to market,
and they're focused on their product day one, and they're
focused on the technical side of building out their team.
We can be a really helpful storyteller because we have
this consumer lens, and we're actually able to help them
in a very differentiated way because consumer is part of
(39:36):
our roots.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
And so I think that actually bringing.
Speaker 11 (39:38):
The two of those together is something I'm very excited
about and I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Alexandra berbeus sound Bench is great to have you so
early on in your time at a new firm, accounset
in San Francisco. Okay, coming up, Musk sued an advertising
group of organizing a boycott of ads on X.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Now that group.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Is shutting down, will have the details next. This is
Bloomberg Technology. It's the final few days of the twenty
(40:24):
twenty four Olympics in Paris, and the Global Sporting Showcase
has been going viral daily. It's not just sports taking
on the Internet by storm, but also chocolate muffins. Norwegian
swimmer Henrick Christiansen, now known as the Muffin Man, went
viral on TikTok for videos about his love for the
muffins in the Olympic Village cafeteria, gaining more than twenty
(40:47):
million views. Another breakout star is Turkish shooter Usa d Ketch,
who went viral for winning the silver medal in air
pistol shooting without using any equipment. The athlete caught the
attention of Elon Musk, who posted a meme of the
shooter on x okay. The Global Alliance for Responsible Media,
(41:07):
a prominent coalition of advertisers, dissolved yesterday, just days after
Elon Musk's x filed a lawsuit against it over organizing
a boycott of the platform's advertisements. The coalition says the
whole ordeal has quote drained its resources and finances, prompting
it to stop its activities. Joining me on set Bloomberg's
(41:29):
asha counts, I've done a lot of reporting over the
years on Musk's litigation. It's a tool that he uses,
but I just explained basically what happened in a twenty
four hour period.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
I mean, yeah, it was so fast.
Speaker 10 (41:41):
So he filed this lawsuit earlier this week, and the
basis of the lawsuit was that this organization caused advertisers
to flee the platform. Now, part of what the Global
Alliance Responsible Media does is set guidelines around the type
of content and ad can pro next to you. So
you can imagine a big advertiser like an app or
a Disney wouldn't want their ads next to pro nazi content.
And so after they, according to Musk, right led to
(42:05):
this boycott, he got upset.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
He filed this lawsuit, and now they're.
Speaker 10 (42:08):
Dissolving because they don't have the resources to sort of
fight back. And this is a tactic Musk is done
over and over again. As you mentioned, right, he did
this last year with two organizations. One was a research organization,
another nonprofit because they found harmful content on the site.
So this is at tackle that he uses when his
advertising business is threatened.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Earlier this week on the show, we played some of
the SoundBite of Lindy Yakarino, the CEO of X, what
she had to say about it. You can go back
and watch that episode. You've also been writing about misinformation
it's important, but it's kind of falling off the priority
lists in some places. This is your Tech Daily. What
is it that you're trying to outline here?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I mean it feels like a shift, right.
Speaker 10 (42:48):
I think this is something that's been happening for years,
but this moment feels different. I mean, we saw this
with the warrant between Israel and Hamases. Again we're seeing this,
of course, as you mentioned around the UK rights misinformation circulating,
and the problem is the social media platforms may catch it,
they may label it, they may take it down, but
by the time they do, there's already millions of views
(43:09):
on this.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
We well, on the UK riots.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
I've been tracking what's happening in the UK, my home country.
Of course, it's also who is involved in the sharing
of that information. So one thing Musk has been caught
up in is sharing some what appeared to be articles
about that situation that ended up being not a real
news article.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
That's one example.
Speaker 10 (43:31):
Yeah, it's a great example. It's a terrifying example. He
shared a fake article from the Telegraph, and Telegraph later
came out and said, you know, we never created that,
but he shared it and it got almost two million views.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Before he took it down, right, and maybe he did
take it down.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
He did take it.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Down, he did well.
Speaker 10 (43:47):
It was deleted by their original creator, I believe, but that.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Was, you know, within the hour.
Speaker 10 (43:51):
But again, almost two million views by that time, so
the damage is done in some ways.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Bloombergsasha counts important reporting. Thank you that for this edition
of Bloomberg Technology. Just big thanks to everyone in the
control room in New York, Jackie John Justin, Marguerite Pyle
here in San Francisco, and all the studio crew.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Check out the podcast. It's been a big week.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
There's a lot to recap on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, and
all of the Bloomberg platforms. From San Francisco. This is
Bloomberg Technology.
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This is Bloomberg Technology with Caroline Hyde and Ed Ludlow.
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Live from San Francisco.
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This is Bloombo Technology paramount up as the Nickelodeon and
MTV parent follows Warner Brothers in a big write down
of its cable TV networks and cybersecurity firm. Akami jumps
as the DVOS specialist post strong numbers amid scrutiny of.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
The cybersecurity sector.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Plus tech for Kumala, we speak to the technology leaders
and Silicon Valley Democrats backing the Vice president's bid for.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
The White House.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I want to get straight to financial markets and the
NASDAQ one hundred, very tech heavy index. You have the
megacaps and the higher multiple software names. What you're seeing
is a five day chart of the Nasdaq and it
is completely flat, zero percent over the course of the week.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
But there is peril within that.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Because if the NAZDAT one hundred closes down negative on
a weekly basis, that would mark five straight weeks of
declines for that index, which is the worst week run
of weekly drops going back to May of twenty twenty two.
If it's positive, it snaps a four week declined streak,
which it had seen in April, and things look a
(01:30):
little bit rosier. We are worried about growth, we're worried
about a little bit geopolitical risk, but earnings have been
a mixed picture, where in aggregate we're probably feeling better
about the technology sector in part AI infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
That brings us to TSMC. The chipmaker.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Sales grew by forty five percent in July on strong demand.
In particular, it would seem for AI accelerators. Those are
the usadrs or US listed shares of Taiwan Semiconductor, up
eight tenths of a percent in the US session bloombergs
Ian King is here with me in San Francisco. The
data is for the month, and we're trying to sort
(02:07):
of extrapolate out and say, well, for the quarter, what
does that look like? But I guess big picture it's
bullish because TSMC is the chip factory for the world.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Basically, no exactly all roads lead to into Yeah, and
I'm forty five percent is dramatic, right, that's tremendous compared
to where we were last year. But we have to
put that in context. Part of that was last year
things were depressed. A lot of smartphone market related chip
orders weren't that great. But if you're worried about this
AI infrastructure build out, if you're worried about what Invidia
(02:38):
is buying, what AMD is buying, what even Intel is
buying these days, this tells you Nope, they're still putting
orders in and those factories are still working flat out.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Okay, In very simple terms, TSMC is a contract manufacturers,
So the biggest chip names go to TSMC and say,
here are our very special chips.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Make them for us please.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
That brings me to Nvidia, which reports August twenty eight,
and they are the market right now for AI accelerators.
Look ahead to August twenty eight and what we're kind
of expecting, and does TSMC kind of inform what we
might get?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
I mean to an extent, yes, I mean TSMC has
a lot of customers, and Video is one of the biggest.
But Apple is also a huge customer. Qualcom is also
a huge customer, so it's not a direct linear relationship there.
But at the same time, everything we've heard, all of
the concerns we've heard about in video, can it continue
this growth rue. Nobody is doubting the fundamentals of demand.
(03:32):
We're also as you've seen lots of reports about some
problems with some new tips that they've had. Yes, but
they've come out themselves and said the still demand for
our olds. Yes, some worry about it.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
That was specifically about design or engineering issues around Blackwell,
which would be the latest generation accelerator. TSMC is interesting
because it's literally concentrated in Taiwan a lot of the activity.
But the story here in the United States has been
the flow of public money from the Chips Act or
government money to onshore our industry. And there's a piece
(04:06):
on the Blueberg Terminal by Mackenzie Hawkins about how now
present day much of that money has been allocated from
the Chips Act. What are the numbers behind that and
what's the impact been.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Yeah, I mean the key point that she makes in
her story is the hard work has been done, which
is like, hey, we're going to give you this, We're
going to give you this, but nothing has actually, no
checks have been mailed, right, this is all promissory right.
And as a US taxpayer, like we both are, that's
actually a smart thing because you want to see these
things built and in operation before you actually pay for them.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
This is, you know, a very complex industry and it's
very brutal economically, as we've seen with what's happening at Intel.
So you want to make sure that these things actually
get built, the equipment goes in, and then the money
gets distributed.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
As you've educated our audience on for it for quite
a while. Now takes a lot of time to build
manufacturing capacity for jips as well. Bloomberg's Ian King here
in San Francisco, thank you. Let's get back to that
story about Paramount that we alluded to at the top.
Actually an interesting or positive reaction.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
In the shares.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
It is a write down of six billion dollars on
the legacy cable TV networks. Very similar to the news
this week that we got from Warner Brothers Discovery. There
are some points of distinction with Paramount in terms of
the properties and some other news in there as well.
Bloomberg's Hannah Miller is back in New York City. So
Paramount the numbers on the right down the story behind
(05:32):
the write down specific to Paramount.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
What's going on, Yeah, So it's.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
Very similar to Warner Brothers Discovery. Where they're writing down
the value of their traditional TV networks. And this is after,
you know, the streaming wars have broken out. You know,
they've taken to reevaluating their cable television as streaming continues
to grow more and more popular.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
What's different here is.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
That with Paramount, you have the backdrop of its deal
with sky Dance that is expected to finalize in the
first half of twenty twenty five. You know, there's still
a forty five day period where you know, people can
submit competing offers, but there is a lot of bullishness
around Paramount because of this pending deal.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I'm reading through your story on Paramount. By the way,
Hannah Miller, pretty new to this beat. How busy have
you been in those first few weeks of covering the
media industry? But Paramount part of the story is cost
reduction in cost cuts as well. Is that directly related
to the write down or is that a different story.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
So before you know, we learned about this write down,
you know, there's this whole five hundred million dollar cost
cutting effort that Paramount has undertaken. And then Skydance has
also identified two billion dollars worth of cost efficiencies. So
all of this has played into that they're working to
tighten the belt. Another big piece of news coming out
of the earnings call yesterday was that there are layoffs
(06:51):
coming that fifteen percent of the US workforce is going
to be cut before the end of this year. So
there's a lot going on with Paramount as it prepares
to final this deal with Skuyddance.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Hannah, I think I said this to you in the
show twenty four hours ago, but I always tried to
find the technology story within this, and what's common between
those two names is the pain in the Legacy TV
network side is because of the move to streaming. But
actually Paramount streaming business just based on the growth numbers,
it seems like they're doing okay.
Speaker 7 (07:23):
Yeah, So for Paramount, they actually loss subscribers for their
Paramount Plus streaming service during the second quarter, and that
was because of a one time event the end of
this deal in South Korea.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
They're very optimistic about it.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
Otherwise, you know, they have seen revenues increase there, so
you know, despite this setback, like other companies like Warner Brothers,
they're very excited about their streaming service.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I was referring to revenue jumping thirteen percent, But you're
exactly right. Paramount Plus Service lost two point eight million
subs due to that South Koreas you just outlined Bloomberg's Hanamella,
Happy Friday.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Thank you very much for your reporting. Now coming up
on the.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Show, Roger Leed, the creator of layoffs dot Fyi, a
website for tracking tech layoffs, is going to join us
to discuss all the job cuts in aggregate that have
been announced in his data, and it's timely. Let's take
a quick look at shares of Cisco. They had been
positive or hire this Friday session. Cisco now softer six
(08:22):
tenths of one percent. Reuter's is reporting that Cisco will
lay off thousands of employees in a second round of
job cuts this year, and that Cisco could announce those
job cuts as early as Wednesday of next week. It
did move the shares and Wednesday of next week, by
the way, August fourteenth, Cisco reports earnings. We'll keep an
(08:45):
eye on that story and see if Bloomberg has any
advancements on it.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Be right back.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
This is Bloomberg Technology. We should keep talking about tech
(09:11):
jobs and layoffs. Over one hundred and twenty six thousand
tech employees have been laid off so far in twenty
twenty four, with companies increasingly citing AI as a reason
for the job cuts. I want to bring in Roger Lee,
who's start founder and the creator of layoffs dot fyi.
It's a platform that's dedicated to tracking tech layoffs since
(09:32):
the COVID nineteen pandemic in twenty twenty and you and
I were just discussing this during the commercial break. I
look at all of the news headlines and the cadence
of headlines probably starting early June through to now. But
you've got the data, so summarize the scale of what's
happening in the industry right now versus prior years where
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we saw heavy layoffs as well.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, that's right, So corn and layoffs and FI.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
We've tracked now one hundred and twenty six thousand tech
employees laid off so far in twenty twenty four. The
good news that's actually down forty two percent from the
same time last year. And if you look at the
quarter on quarter trends, tech layoffs have generally been leveling
off since their peak in Q one of twenty twenty three.
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Of course, it has spiked a little bit in the
past couple of weeks. The bad news, twenty twenty four
is still on pace to have more layoffs than any
other year this decade except for twenty twenty three. And
of course it's all a small comfort if you're one
of those one hundred and twenty six thousand people laid off.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
We just illustrated that point, Roger with a chart which
was showing your data at layoffs still FYI.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And then here's the point that I was making.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Those are big names, right, Intel, Tesla, SAP in Germany, Cisco,
We just broke that reporting on in the stock move AI.
So what you're to may or may not track, is
is there a reallocation of resource to new jobs if
the justification is AI.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
That's definitely what we're seeing in a lot of the
company's announcements for the layoffs that tech companies are increasingly
citing AI as the reason. You know, for example, earlier
this week, Dell cut thousands of employees as part of
a sales team reorg that included creating a new team
focused on AI sales. And then earlier this year, you Know,
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into It laid off one thousand, eight hundred employees and
cited that they're doing so so they can invest and
make more hires to help build Eye into its text
crop software, and it is definitely an allocation of resources.
You know, building AI is expensive, and according to salary
tracker comprehensive dot Io, a senior AI engineer in the
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Bay Area earns two hundred and eight thousand dollars per
year just in base salary, and that's sixteen percent more
than a non AII engineer and doesn't even include stock.
So if you include stock options equity, that pay package
can total easily half a million to a million dollars,
not to mention all the costs involved in infrastructure and
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hardware for building AI.
Speaker 8 (12:15):
So you know, the economic environment still tight.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Companies are finding that the only way to increase investment
in AI is to cut cost elsewhere, and hence all
the layoffs that we've been seeing.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Yeah, as Bloomberg Technology producer Margarite Galleryini just reflected on
in our team chat, maybe we're in the wrong line
of work because it's lucrative if you are a computer
scientist or software engineer in that space. There's a point
you made a minute ago about twenty twenty four. We
are in early August and so let's try and extrapolate out.
I look at the number of companies, for example, rather
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than the jobs in aggregate that are making these announcements.
Have you a sense in the direction of travel for
the remainder.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Of the year. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Typically what we see is that Q one and Q
four and to be the biggest quarters for layoffs. That's
often because companies do their annual budgeting around the end
of year, which leads to those layoffs, Whereas the middle
of the year, you know, summer period that we are
right now, actually tends to be slower.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
In terms of layoffs.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Obviously, there's some notable exceptions that you see on the
screen here.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So unfortunately, I would.
Speaker 6 (13:20):
Expect that pech layoffs may pick up again as we
head towards the end of the year and early next year,
as companies take stock of their year forecast into next year,
do their annual budgeting and decide whether they have the
right team to move forwards.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
So let's do something else and do this and aggregate.
You know, you started tracking this data at the early
days of the pandemic. How does this four year period
or so compare to history. I think about the dot
com combubble, the global financial crisis.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Are the ways to compare and controst.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Roger, Yeah, stop to say, you know layoffs AFII.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
We started in twenty twenty, so don't have the numbers
from those those two time periods.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
Although I will say.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
The scale of the tech industry is just so much
bigger than during the dot com era or even the
global financial crisis, So in aggregate numbers, I believe that
this current period of layoffs is going to be the
most that we've ever seen in the tech industry, just
because the scale of the tech industry and the number
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of people working in this industry is so much higher
now than in previous years.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Roger Lee, creator of Layoffs, FYI, thank you for your
analysis and sharing your data with us, and the chart
depiction in particular really helps to illustrate what's happening in
this industry. We're also going to look at shares really
quickly of ak am I. We're going to be having
a conversation up next with the CEO. But in the
cyber space, this is a d DOOS specialist.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You see the stock off session.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Highs, but up almost ten percent a good quarter. But
the question that the analysts in the street has is
this is a company that's maybe inconsistent in the number
of quarters it strings together. A conversation coming up with
Tom Layton, who is the CEO of Akamai. Maybe he'll
push back on that. What the streets view of his company.
We'll see. This is Bloomberg Technology. It's time for talking
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tech and in the news. The owner of the company
behind Timu, Colin Wang, has become China's richest person, amassing
a fortune of forty eight point six billion US dollars.
That's according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. Hung's rise has
been fueled by China's changing shopping habits and expansion outside
of the region. With its TMU brand, plus Amazon Incs
(15:44):
an e commerce deal with TikTok and Pinterest. Users can
now link their profile from the social media platforms to
their Amazon accounts, allowing customers to buy products directly from ads.
This is social shop becomes more popular here in the
United States, and Turkey's Instagram ban hits female entrepreneurs. Orders
(16:08):
drown up from female led businesses who relied on the
popular social media platform to drive sales. Turkey abruptly blocked
access to Instagram on August second, without explaining why that
was a very e commerce themed and focus selection of
news stories out there today. The earning story also continues,
(16:29):
and we continue to look at cybersecurity and Akamai. The
company reported earnings after the closing belt Thursday. Co founder
and CEO Tom Layson joins us now for more.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
There are loads of words.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
And adjectives and praise used by the cell side Tom
a clean print, strong quarter growth, But what there's less
discussion of is why what were the specific factors in
the quarter.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
That put Akamai up from Well, we.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
Have several market leading products, and security obviously very important
today given the large number of damaging attacks, ransomware, data exfiltration,
and our enterprise.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Compute business doing very well.
Speaker 9 (17:12):
You know, we talked about just really getting started in
that aspect of the business this year, and now we
think we'll exit the year at a one hundred million
dollar a year annual run rate and revenue with a
lot of exciting potential for the future. And I think
those are great proof points that investors are now seeing.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
On the enterprise side. I find that very interesting.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Is it demonstrative of broad strength in your client base
those industry sort of willingness to spend or is this
something specific that Achimi is doing that allows you to
sort of outperform in a difficult environment.
Speaker 9 (17:49):
Well, security is important for every major enterprise, even in
tough economic times, which we're seeing some of now, and
we have the market leading products and.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
The major enterprises really need them to be safe.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
And in compute, I think we have a very compelling
value proposition. You know, we can provide better performance at
a much lower price point. And when you can do
that and help a major enterprise save money, well, this
is a good time to be able to have that happen.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Tom strength in the areas you outline compute security and
then a little weakness in CDN. I would like to
talk about what's happening in your industry overall. I think
we start with CrowdStrike, endpoint Specialist u DDoS. But what
was that weak and situation like for Akamai. Was there
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any tangible positive read through for you or any way
that you capitalized on what happened?
Speaker 9 (18:49):
Well, we don't use that software ourselves, so there was
no impact to Akamai, and we helped our customers you
know where we could, But that was an area where
we don't really do business I think there were a
lot of learnings for the industry as a whole. You know, first,
it really is clear you just can't be doing updates
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all at once everywhere in the world. You know, most
of the time that's okay, but eventually you're going to
have an unintended consequence, and if you update the entire
world at one time, you've got a disaster. You know,
that's a lesson we learned at Akamai pretty painfully about
twenty years ago, and ever since then. You know, we.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Phase our updates.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
After you've been through QA and you're confident, you still
just go one stage at a time, so in case
there's something that was unanticipated, you catch it before you
cause a problem. I think also there's a much better
understanding that reliability matters, and it takes a lot of investment,
but you see what happens when when you have something
(19:55):
like this. I think enterprises will pay a lot more
attention to reliability going forward.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I hear you on that I'm not a cyber expert
by any means, and I know that a lot of
CIOs cyber managers CSOs watched this program and for them,
top of mind is a sort of academic debate agent
versus agent lost delivery or security of that delivery of security?
(20:22):
Do you see though, away from the academic debate on
the best security systems action, your enterprise customers saw the
news cycle and picked up the phone and said, we
are changing how we do cyber.
Speaker 9 (20:37):
No there, you know, they were just trying to get
out of the disaster. I think going forward there'll be
a time of reflection into how do you prevent this
from happening? How do you keep a vendor from you know,
having this consequence. And it's not just a situation of
having multiple vendors, because might even increase the problem because
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of any one of them.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Has a big issue.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
You got a problem, but really selecting vendors who put
the extra effort and investment into making sure things stay
reliable as reliable as possible.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Tom, I guess closer to home for you, a higher
profile d doos attack on Azure in June. What did
you make of that and Microsoft's handling it and how
did it impact you?
Speaker 9 (21:25):
You know, DDoS attacks are probably the oldest kinds of
cyber attacks out there.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
They go back more than twenty years as well.
Speaker 9 (21:33):
You know, that's an area where we have leading services
to help defend customers. In fact, you know, just last
week we saw one of the top ten DDoS attacks
of all time coming out of the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
You know, with the war there, we're able to.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
Defend a very important financial enterprise from that kind of
an attack. So even though it's been around a long time,
we are still seeing some very large DDoS attacks and
it's important for enterprises to have stayed.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Up the art defenses.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Even today, did us Tom Layton, CEO of Akamai. It's
great to have you back on Bloomberg Technology on your
strong quarter, but also I appreciate discussing news of late.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Now coming up on the show, we're going to talk
about how some.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Of the worlds in tech think about Kamala Harris's campaign
with Tech for Kamala co founder Shannon Nash and also
Matt Mahn, the mayor of San Jose. That conversation is
coming up next Q the Beautiful Pictures Expedia eight point
six percent strong quarter, positive discussion about the summer months,
(22:39):
different to what we heard from Airbnb. An interesting one
to track this is Bloomberg Technology.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I am now officially the Democratic number. You're in Atlanta Georgia.
Speaker 10 (23:02):
When President Biden was on the ballot, Democrats had basically
conceded to losing the state.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Now that it's Vice President Kamala Harris democratcy, all seven
swing states are back in play.
Speaker 10 (23:11):
Kamala Harris is well known, but she is not well defined.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
She's not somebody I've researched to in depth.
Speaker 11 (23:17):
She's kind of laid low, But that's kind of what
Vice presidents doude.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
You're going to see both Democrats and Republicans defining her
in the ways they want those voters to see her.
Success for Harris will mean sustaining the momentum that's been
fueling her historic run.
Speaker 10 (23:34):
I get chills when I think about that, just being
a part of history, understanding that we have someone who
represents our communities.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
She's also like a really dynamic candidate, especially for younger
people like us.
Speaker 12 (23:44):
See people, if you asked a month ago, they probably
would have said that the country is not ready. But
now people are rethinking that and they're like, oh my gosh,
this could actually happen and I could be a part
of it.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
You can watch the full story of that at Bloomberg
dot com and some of the recent guests here on
Bloomberg Technology have also been weighing in on the election
and Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Listen to this.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
There's going to be huge amounts of money that come
in on both sides.
Speaker 13 (24:15):
I think there are a lot of people like myself
who are really enthusiastic and excited about what the Kamala
Harris campaign stands for.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
She's been a longtime supporter of the tech industry.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
She will do very well in the debate, and she's
she's all over a high energy.
Speaker 13 (24:30):
She's from the Bay Area. She understands technology, she understands innovation.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
She shares a lot of values that many of us
in the tech industry have, particularly with regard to immigration.
Speaker 13 (24:40):
And ensuring that we are continuing to drive innovation in
this country.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Let's keep the conversation going with Tech for Kamala, a
grassroots group of about twelve hundred tech workers that just
came out in support of the Democratic candidate. Tech for
Kamala co founder former Wing CFO Shannon Nash joins us
now alongside the Mayor of San Jose, Matt Mahon and Shannon.
Good morning, Welcome back to Bloomberg Technology. Those points made
(25:12):
in those sound bites and the backing that this new
organization is giving actually are the same points that many
Silicon Valley voices bench capesis in particular made in backing
of JD Vance. And I just want to point that
out because we've sort of had equal coverage here on
the program. But what compelled you in the first instance
(25:34):
to be a part of this movement and what is
it that you see in Kamala Harris as being the
right president for the technology industry.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, I'll start really quick with that.
Speaker 14 (25:49):
I think what we've had is a few people with
big microphones, if you will, to be able to talk
about their support.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Of Trump and Van.
Speaker 14 (26:00):
Why we founded Tech for Kamala was to give voice
to the over seven million tech workers, people who work
every day at some of the most well known tech
companies vcs, founders, operators, engineers, marketers, you name it, and
all the industries that are related to tech. To give
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voice to other people who actually feel completely different and
in fact are supporting Kamala Harris for all of the
work that she has already done in supporting things like
responsible AI, STEM education, just being a real innovative leader.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So that is why we founded the organization, and.
Speaker 14 (26:40):
I gotta tell you, ed, within like a week, we
had over twelve hundred people who wanted to jump on
the bandwagon and also announce their support.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
So you know, it's one vote for one person.
Speaker 14 (26:52):
Whether you have a lot of money or a big microphone,
we still all get one vote. And so this movement
has aiming to give voice to the millions of people
who have one vote and want to make sure that
their vote is heard.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Maya, mayhe your city, San Jose is just so closely
and intimately linked to the technology industry as well. You
come at this, I guess from the political perspective, but
why do you think that the technology industry is an
important voice in backing your preferred candidate.
Speaker 15 (27:24):
Well before I was mayor of San Jose, which is
the capital of Silicon Valley with nearly one million residents,
really the hometown for tech's workforce and home to many
leading technology companies like Adobe, Zoom, Cisco.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
Paipal, and on and on. I was in the tech
sector myself.
Speaker 15 (27:43):
In fact, I first met Kamala Harris about a decade
ago at Airbnb, which was just down the street from
a startup that I was involved.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
In founding and leading, and I was very impressed with her.
Speaker 15 (27:56):
You know, she came in sharing her work on public safety,
which continues to be top of mind for all of us,
and she has great experience there.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
But she also engaged with a number of us who
were tech.
Speaker 15 (28:07):
Entrepreneurs and founders around innovation topics. She understood the importance
of having a diverse workforce and supporting immigration, intellectual property,
and the kinds of infrastructure investments that we need in
common sense approach to regulations.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
So, you know, really excited that she's the top of
the ticket.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Shannon the Man makes an interesting point, which is policy
specific policy when it comes to technology, antitrust, artificial intelligence.
I think a lot of people are asking questions, are
there specific ways that Vice President Harris will be different
from President Biden's administration on the policy side as it
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relates to tech.
Speaker 14 (28:53):
Yeah, Look, what I think that she's coming out with
a lot of our policies. As you know, she's got
ninety days or less. Right in terms of making her
voice heard, what I will say to you is that
we believe in an administration that continues some of the
things that President Biden was working on. I think that
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she will also bring a fresh perspective. You know, she's
from here, she was an attorney general. She has spent
a lot of time, as Matt has said, really listening
to you know, what would be innovative for tech.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
And so I think that we're going to see a
lot of policies and things.
Speaker 14 (29:31):
That are really helpful for the tech industry, but also
that are inclusive. And I think that's really important to
point out about, you know, something that I think a
lot of people in tech would like to see.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Man man local issues.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
You know, our guests in that SoundBite and challenge just
now reflect on Kamala Harris being from the Bay and
outside of technology. There are issues actually statewide, but the
clearing of encampments or encampments suitepes for EXAs following the
Scotis Grants past decision. It's an interesting case study. How
(30:07):
do you feel that that issue will be addressed by
the Harris campaign and how central is an issue do
you think it will be in a presidential election?
Speaker 15 (30:16):
At Lodge, look, I want a partner in the White
House who is not going to use Silicon Valley or
California more broadly merely as a punching bag. I want
a partner who is pragmatic, who understands our region, who's
going to help us deal with the very real challenges
we face. You mentioned homelessness, which is an area where
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we are getting more pragmatic. San Jose saw fifteen percent
reduction last year. We need a partner in Washington who's
going to help fund innovative solutions.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Same goes for public safety.
Speaker 15 (30:50):
That's an area where I appreciate that Kamala Harris has
been a pragmatic centrist and I think the right approaches.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
May men, I just jump in and ask, you know,
from the Trump Vans perspective, the messaging of that campaign
is that Kamala Harris has been responsible for what they
see as being big issues with Bay Area in California cities.
Your city is under the microscope to that extent. Are
you worried about that message resonating from the Trump Vans campaign.
Speaker 15 (31:24):
No, I'm not, because I think Kamala Harris has a
record that stands on its own and she can speak
to her policy positions, which it's you know, it's kind
of ironic.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
She gets attacked from both sides for being too tough.
Speaker 15 (31:37):
On crime or being associated with what some perceive as
California's crime problem, I think she's right down the middle,
and that's exactly where I am somebody who understands her
has to be consequences for committing crime, but we also
should invest in rehabilitation and support those with addiction and
helping them get treatment.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
So I think she's got the right pragmatic approach.
Speaker 15 (31:58):
And we need that kind of partner in Washington we
navigate some very real challenges of our state faces.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Shannon, I want to finally go back to the idea
that we talked about at the start, that many came
on this program and said jd. Vance understands entrepreneurs He
has been a venture capitalist, whether you see that as
a positive or otherwise. They see him as being supportive
of technology because of his direct industry experience. What would
(32:25):
your answer to that be, And do you see the
same level of support for entrepreneurship from Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I think that Kamala Harris.
Speaker 14 (32:35):
Actually I see more support quite frankly from Kamala Harris
for entrepreneurship.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I think that she has shown that already just by the.
Speaker 14 (32:43):
Simple fact that you know, you've reported on how quickly so.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Many people have mobilized.
Speaker 14 (32:49):
It hasn't even been two weeks, right in terms of
supporting her and supporting this ticket, I think her VP
pick is.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Also really impressive.
Speaker 14 (32:58):
And so what I would say to you was, it's
one thing to have people come on this show with
big microphones. It's another thing to listen to the people,
the seven million people that are in tech, listen to
what they're interested in with their interested in for their future,
for their families. Who in the White House will most
represent them? And I think that that clear choice is
Kamala Harris.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Tech for Kamala co founder and former Wing CFO Shannon
Nash and San Jose mayor Matt Mehn, Thank you both. Okay,
I want to go back to markets and look very
quickly at what's going on. As a reminder, it's kind
of a big moment for the NASDAQ one hundred. On
a five day basis, we are basically flat, completely flat,
as you can see on your screen. But if the
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index drops on a weekly basis, that will be five
straight weeks of declines, the worst run of weekly declines
going back to May of twenty twenty two. If we
end in positive territory by more than about two tenths
of a percent on the week. Then that would snap
four straight weeks of declines, and I guess the narrative
would be a little bit different. Is a big factor
in video isn't until August twenty eighth. That's kind of
(34:03):
where we're looking. Bitcoin check out as well. Early in
the week, when we had that big financial market pressure
on Monday, bitcoin was nearer to fifty thousand US dollars.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
It's now nearer to.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Sixty or just above sixty thousand US dollars per token.
But you can see it's kind of traded in an
interesting sideways pattern throughout the week, and it's becoming part
of the discussion around the election that we just had.
Coming up on the show, we're going to be joined
by Alexandra Berbie. You get the Private markets take investor
at Sound Ventures for her investing thesis on how to
approach AI from the VC perspective. This is Bloomberg Technology.
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Speaker 3 (35:00):
This is Gwenberg.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Okay, it's time for VC Spotlight, and today we're taking
a look at Sound Ventures. It's an early stage VC
firm founded by Ashton Kutcher and Guy is Siri, which
is invested in companies like Airbnb, Spotify, Open Ai, and more.
The firm currently has over a billion dollars in assets,
and Sound Ventures investor Alexandra Burbie joins us now, having
recently joined the firm herself. It's good to have you
(35:32):
here in San Francisco in person. Interesting move. Yes, could
we start there and talk about, you know, how that
happened Sound why you wanted to go and work with Ashton?
Speaker 6 (35:44):
Sure?
Speaker 11 (35:44):
So I got to know the team actually over the
last couple of years and had really just had an
admiration from Afar for what they were building. And I
think as the firm has evolved one they've invested in
some of these incredible companies and some of the best founders,
and the way that those founders speak about them really
spoke to me.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
And I think as an angel.
Speaker 11 (36:03):
Investor, I'd had the opportunity to work with a lot
of early stage companies at the later stage at my
previous firm. I had also seen some of those companies
that had made it through ten years with Sound as
a partner, and often they had mentioned that their their
favorite investor on their cap table. And so when you
hear that type of feedback, it's hard to not want
to get involved. And so I joined the team a
(36:24):
couple months ago and it's been a great.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Experience so far.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
The particular interest that I have in Sound is the
approach to AI application layer, foundation, layer, infrastructure. It's basically
everything we talk about in the show every single day.
Do you have a particular focus within those three buckets
or are you going to approach all three?
Speaker 11 (36:43):
So we are generalists as a firm, and i'd say
that within that. Of course, where we're spending all of
our time is in AI. I think it'd be silly
not to be saying that. But the way that we've
kind of broken out our fund is in twenty twenty three,
we launched a thematic fund, which was on the AI
foundational layer. So we invested in companies like Opening I,
like Hugging Face, like Anthropic, and that was our thematic fund.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
We use those thematic funds.
Speaker 11 (37:05):
To actually work in parallel with our flagship funds. So
the flagship fund is where I sit and I spend
time with companies across the application layer, infrastructure, and then
the everyday software layer, which is the companies we've been
investing in for fifteen years. But now they're using AI
to their advantage. So there are companies that are using
AI to speak to their customers better, to get to
(37:27):
market quicker, to be more.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Effective at what they do.
Speaker 11 (37:30):
And in that way, we are really investing exclusively in
AI companies. But it's because every company needs to be
an AI company in some form or another, or frankly,
they'll get left behind.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
How the firms runs really interesting. There are very large
firms with people who are over the place. There are
small firms that are just here in the city. You're
here in San Francisco. Sound has a relatively large presence
in SOCOW.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
So you'll be focused on the Bay Area or how
is that going to work?
Speaker 11 (37:56):
I mean, it's really we're focused on where innovation is
and so to the extent that that's in the Bay Area,
of course, we're going to be here. To the extent
that's in New York and LA, of course, we're going
to be there, and wherever it is throughout the us
throughout the globe.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
That's where we'll spend time.
Speaker 11 (38:10):
And so from that perspective, i'd say we're not regionalized
by any means, but we do spend time with founders
in all of those places, and we tend to try
to meet them in prison.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
So you were over at g squared, another name known
to us here on Bloomberg Technology.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
But kind of like consumer or consumer.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Internet focused background, you're going to carry that forward and
merge with AI.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Or is that an area you've kind of left behind? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (38:36):
So I think that my background has always been generalist
to a fault, and so I think that I've spent
time in many different industries on purpose, and it's been
very deliberate to have that kind of breadth of experience
and also breadth of founders that I've worked with, and
so at Sound, i'd say.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
That carries on.
Speaker 11 (38:53):
Many people actually think about Sound as being an exclusively
consumer firm as well, and that's a misnomer. I'd say
that people are surprised. Tell them that we've invested it,
get lab at the seed or sent to one at
the series seed. You know that that surprises people, and
so you know, I like that element of surprise one.
But I do think that having a consumer background is
actually really helpful for the enterprise because consumer companies think
(39:15):
about brand day one. That's their bread to get it
telling stories exactly, and the enterprise it takes a lot
more for them to get to that go to market,
and they're focused on their product day one, and they're
focused on the technical side of building out their team.
We can be a really helpful storyteller because we have
this consumer lens, and we're actually able to help them
in a very differentiated way because consumer is part of
(39:36):
our roots.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
And so I think that actually bringing.
Speaker 11 (39:38):
The two of those together is something I'm very excited
about and I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Alexandra berbeus sound Bench is great to have you so
early on in your time at a new firm, accounset
in San Francisco. Okay, coming up, Musk sued an advertising
group of organizing a boycott of ads on X.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Now that group.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
Is shutting down, will have the details next. This is
Bloomberg Technology. It's the final few days of the twenty
(40:24):
twenty four Olympics in Paris, and the Global Sporting Showcase
has been going viral daily. It's not just sports taking
on the Internet by storm, but also chocolate muffins. Norwegian
swimmer Henrick Christiansen, now known as the Muffin Man, went
viral on TikTok for videos about his love for the
muffins in the Olympic Village cafeteria, gaining more than twenty
(40:47):
million views. Another breakout star is Turkish shooter Usa d Ketch,
who went viral for winning the silver medal in air
pistol shooting without using any equipment. The athlete caught the
attention of Elon Musk, who posted a meme of the
shooter on x okay. The Global Alliance for Responsible Media,
(41:07):
a prominent coalition of advertisers, dissolved yesterday, just days after
Elon Musk's x filed a lawsuit against it over organizing
a boycott of the platform's advertisements. The coalition says the
whole ordeal has quote drained its resources and finances, prompting
it to stop its activities. Joining me on set Bloomberg's
(41:29):
asha counts, I've done a lot of reporting over the
years on Musk's litigation. It's a tool that he uses,
but I just explained basically what happened in a twenty
four hour period.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
I mean, yeah, it was so fast.
Speaker 10 (41:41):
So he filed this lawsuit earlier this week, and the
basis of the lawsuit was that this organization caused advertisers
to flee the platform. Now, part of what the Global
Alliance Responsible Media does is set guidelines around the type
of content and ad can pro next to you. So
you can imagine a big advertiser like an app or
a Disney wouldn't want their ads next to pro nazi content.
And so after they, according to Musk, right led to
(42:05):
this boycott, he got upset.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
He filed this lawsuit, and now they're.
Speaker 10 (42:08):
Dissolving because they don't have the resources to sort of
fight back. And this is a tactic Musk is done
over and over again. As you mentioned, right, he did
this last year with two organizations. One was a research organization,
another nonprofit because they found harmful content on the site.
So this is at tackle that he uses when his
advertising business is threatened.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Earlier this week on the show, we played some of
the SoundBite of Lindy Yakarino, the CEO of X, what
she had to say about it. You can go back
and watch that episode. You've also been writing about misinformation
it's important, but it's kind of falling off the priority
lists in some places. This is your Tech Daily. What
is it that you're trying to outline here?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I mean it feels like a shift, right.
Speaker 10 (42:48):
I think this is something that's been happening for years,
but this moment feels different. I mean, we saw this
with the warrant between Israel and Hamases. Again we're seeing this,
of course, as you mentioned around the UK rights misinformation circulating,
and the problem is the social media platforms may catch it,
they may label it, they may take it down, but
by the time they do, there's already millions of views
(43:09):
on this.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
We well, on the UK riots.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
I've been tracking what's happening in the UK, my home country.
Of course, it's also who is involved in the sharing
of that information. So one thing Musk has been caught
up in is sharing some what appeared to be articles
about that situation that ended up being not a real
news article.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
That's one example.
Speaker 10 (43:31):
Yeah, it's a great example. It's a terrifying example. He
shared a fake article from the Telegraph, and Telegraph later
came out and said, you know, we never created that,
but he shared it and it got almost two million views.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Before he took it down, right, and maybe he did
take it down.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
He did take it.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Down, he did well.
Speaker 10 (43:47):
It was deleted by their original creator, I believe, but that.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Was, you know, within the hour.
Speaker 10 (43:51):
But again, almost two million views by that time, so
the damage is done in some ways.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Bloombergsasha counts important reporting. Thank you that for this edition
of Bloomberg Technology. Just big thanks to everyone in the
control room in New York, Jackie John Justin, Marguerite Pyle
here in San Francisco, and all the studio crew.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Check out the podcast. It's been a big week.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
There's a lot to recap on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, and
all of the Bloomberg platforms. From San Francisco. This is
Bloomberg Technology.
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