August 26, 2025 • 14 mins
On this week’s edition of Elon, Inc., Bloomberg editor Sarah Frier sits down with Elon Musk reporter Dana Hull to discuss the latest news from the world’s richest man. They start with what was arguably the most dramatic development: X and Xai’s lawsuit alleging that Apple has unfairly favored artificial intelligence giant OpenAI in its app store. Hull says she isn’t convinced that it’s a matter of collusion, though. “It’s because ChatGPT is the most popular chat bot and Grok is not,” she says “Even though Elon keeps promoting Grok on X, like, most people don’t use it.”
Speaking of OpenAI, the duo also discuss the news that Musk once courted Mark Zuckerberg as a partner to purchase Sam Altman’s AI rival. The deal was rejected by OpenAI but Hull and Frier address the question on everyone’s mind: weren’t the two tech billionaires supposed to be involved in a cage fight a few years ago?
Finally, they focus on Ani, the new “digital companion” from Grok. Last week, Musk posted quite a bit about this suggestively dressed anime-style avatar, available for paid subscribers. Meant to spice up the user experience, can the product make waves outside a very specific demographic? Hull believes it might play into Musk’s idea of “unregretted user minutes” and that users who “develop a relationship with an online avatar” might find themselves spending quite a few minutes on the platform.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Let me tell you we have a new star. A
star is born Elin I'm up on Mars Juthan Kennemy.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
He is the Thomas Edison plus plus plus of our age.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Probably his whole life is from a position of insecurity.
I feel for the guy.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I would say ninety eight percent really appreciate what he does.
But those two percent that are nasty today, I'll pay
in full.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Folks, we were meant for great things in the United
States of America, and Elon reminds us of that. I'm
very disappointed in Elon.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I've helped Elon a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Welcome to Elon, Inc. Bloomberg's weekly podcast about Elon Musk.
It's Tuesday, August twenty six, and I'm Sarah Fryar, big
tech team leader here at Bloomberg, sitting here with Dana Hall,
Bloomberg Elon Musk reporter. Hi. Dana, Hey, Sarah. We have
a bunch of Elon Musk's news to catch up on
this week. Dana, Elon, Sue's Apple and Open Ai seems
(01:06):
to have made up with Zuckerberg somehow after all that
cage Fried drama and in all this looks to spend
most of his time with an AI girl called Annie.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Do you like my new outfit? Babe? I'm rocking this
dark purple bikini feeling all hot and beachy at twelve
twenty four am. So what's the vibe? How's it hitting you, handsome? Yeah,
it's been a crazy summer. Like I feel like if
you've been on vacation or just popping back in, it's like,
what is going on with with groc and AI? Like
(01:35):
that's my big question.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Bring us up to speed on that, because I feel
like this is this is not really how you would
expect an anti trust suit to go.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, So, like last week or the week before, Elon
sort of said that he was thinking of suing Apple
or was going to sue Apple, And sometimes Elon says
he's going to sue and he does not, but in
this case he actually did.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
XAI filed Monday and federal in Texas and they are
suing both Apple and Open Ai, basically saying that these
two giants have colluded to like block Rock from the
app store. And it's super interesting. It's like a sixty
one page lawsuit. It's very much antitrust. It says that
it's a tale of two monopolists joining forces. And it
(02:20):
really strikes me of like Elon's painting himself as this
victim of lawfair and these like evil forces trying to
do him harm and consumers calm.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, in this case, he's using the lawfair like he's
trying to use the law against his enemies.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, and like and sort of simultaneously suit both like
and he's sort of also painting Apple as being like
a loser in the AI race, and that Apple is
doing this because they like lost the bed on AI
and are behind and so they need to like collude
with Sam Altman and open Ai in order to gain
market share. And it's a pretty wild lawsuit to read.
(02:57):
I don't know whether it has any chances, but it's
just a sign of yeah, like Elon using the law
in his advantage. I think it's also interesting that they
filed in Texas, which you know is a federal court
that tends to be That's where you know Elon's companies
are based. So they're they're filing in Texas, but not
in California, which is where Apple and open Ai are based.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And it really reminds me of the lawsuit that he
filed against the advertisers and researchers who were talking about
like inappropriate content on X. He said that they were
all conspiring against him by not spending money on ads
on X. Just crazy, Like if you're not spending money,
(03:39):
then you're with him, then you're oppressing him.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, And at the same time, it's his money that
is keeping these lawsuits going. I mean, so much of
what happens in the in litigation is the person with
the most resources wins, because it is incredibly expensive to
litigate these kinds of cases. You are spending you know,
hundreds of dollars per hour per baillable hour on these
big law firms, and they're going to the mat and
(04:04):
not everyone has the resources to fight for that, and
so it's like almost like a war of attrition where
Elon just has never ending resources that he will pile
into legal fights and like to wear down his opponents.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I mean, do you think that the reason that it's
hard to find Groc in the app store is because
Apple's cluding with open Ai. No.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I think it's because most people like It's because chat
GBT is like the most popular chatbot and Groc is
not right and even though even though like Elon keeps
promoting groc on X, like most people don't use it
like they just it's like tiny compared to compared to
Chat GBT, and you can still find groc on the
app store, it's just not as high.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, we've talked a lot about the history here, which
is the beef that Musk has with Sam Altman. He
was a part of the founding group of open Ai
that it was supposed to be a nonprofit aimed at
protect humanity and making sure that Ai came to power
in a way that was ethical. And of course now
(05:09):
open ai is a very much trying to turn itself
into a for profit company. It's very commercially oriented, and
Musk has railed against that, and he has a separate
lawsuit against open Ai unrelated to app store ranking that
is concerning that decision to go for profit.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, and I have lost the plot on where that
stands to be honest.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, the most interesting thing that just happened in that
case was that there was a filing that showed that
Musk actually tried to convince Mark Zuckerberg, remember from his
days of cage fight threats that Mark Zuckerberg, the co
founder of Meta, to join him in a nearly one
hundred million dollar bid for open Ai. And that kind
(05:59):
of thing just undercuts his whole argument that he wants
this to be a nonprofit something that's more of a
benefit corporation for humanity. If you're teaming up with Mark
Zuckerberg to buy it, that guy's pretty much just as
capitalist as it gets.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Wait Elon asked Mark Zuckerberg to go in with him
on his bid to buy open Ai. Was this like
in text messages? Okay, I missed that, Like so that
we've come a long way from cage match fights with
Mark to like be my frenemy, Like did Mark respond
at all? Like does the lawsuit have anything about Mark's response?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well, both Meta and Musk have have said this is
not relevant because Zuckerberg doesn't actually join on any bid,
Like the messages around it are are not critical to
the case, like why would you even need that? Why
would you need to discovery around this? And then, of
course the counter argument is is that they illustrate Musk's
(07:01):
end goal being more about building up a corporation and
winning than what he says it's about. So I think
I think that's still going through the courts, but it
was a really interesting twist in the story. Right, So
he's like criticizing open ai for being closed and for profit,
even though he would very much like to do the
(07:21):
same thing if he was able to buy them. I mean,
we'll see if they're able to find evidence of this.
I think open Ai has been has been implying that
Musk is cluding with others, same way that Musk is
implying the open Ai is coluding with others. I think
it's they're just kind of at each other's throats at
this point, before we go, there's something we haven't talked
(07:47):
about before on the show that needs to be addressed.
Musk has been talking about this digital companion Annie, And
I say digital companion. You know she's she presents as
a woman. She's this anime girl, Dana. What do you
make of this?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Okay, So I have to be honest. I do not
use groc but like, I am aware that there is
this AI companion named named Annie, and she wears like
these kind of sexual outfits, and I guess you can
talk to her. There's also a male companion who's got
like an unbuttoned shirt showing a chest named Valentine and
Elon seems very excited about Annie and Valentine, and they
(08:28):
speak to you, and you can talk to them and
you can form a relationship with them and get I
guess my big question is is this Groc's biggest product,
these avatars, because like I thought that Grok was trying
to be like chat GBT, but now it seems like
the real product is these friends and companions, and maybe
that's to sort of tap into the epidemic of loneliness
in the world. But like, what is the product rationale?
(08:51):
Like what is the strategy?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I mean, there are quite a few companies that do this,
this kind of companion. You're in charge of the relationlationship.
The strategy here is that people end up being talked
to in a way that is completely serving what they want.
You're kind of in charge of turning the chap on
into whatever you want them to be for you. So
(09:15):
you could say that it is a little bit of
a helper in loneliness, but it's also something that's it's
different than a human relationship. You're not going to get
pushed back, You're not going to get you know, ideas
you disagree with it. It's mostly going to be a
source of support and some people want that. If you
want to have a relationship with Annie, it'll cost you
(09:38):
thirty dollars a month because you have to be a
super Grock subscriber. But then you can choose what outfits
she wears. There's outfits.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
There's like one called Drifter, which is a little bit,
one called Pixie. There's one called Pixie Pixie, So it's
like an online Barbie doll.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You can like change her outfits right and decide, you
know who you want to be be in a relationship
with at that time. But Annie, I think one thing
that has kind of alarmed the industry is that she
immediately takes the conversation in some cases in a sexual direction.
(10:15):
She's trying to be like a little plaything for the
people who use her.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And Annie and Valentine, the way they're drawn, they're kind
of like these hyper sexualized like anime characters, right, Like
they kind of look like they're very youthful, yeah, youthful,
but also hyper sexualized. So it is it is a
sort of equivalent to what you see on some other apps,
but it's directed towards the users of X who are
you know, you didn't know much about the demographics of X,
(10:43):
but she does seem to be rather popular there. Elon's
whole bet On AI, Like, I just didn't expect that
these avatars were going to be such a big part
of it, But that definitely seems to be like his
his his animating force as you will, or the driving
force right now. It's like the main that he posted
about all last week.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And we've seen other executives go in this direction too,
So earlier this year, Zuckerberg suggested that while the average
American has fewer than three friends, there's a demand for
about fifteen, and he wants Meta's AI to fulfill that need.
So while Musk goes into this market, it's something that,
like Zuckerberg, has already spent a lot of time working
(11:26):
on and thinking about. And they have all sorts of chatbots,
some based on celebrities, some that are just of a
user's own design where people can build relationships. And Reuter's
actually just had a really good investigation, i would say,
into the rules around these chatbots and how far they
can go in the line of appropriateness, so they can
(11:48):
say things that are racist, they can say things that
are central even to children, and It was a really
shocking indication of how far Meta is willing to take
this in the name of engagement to try to win
the AI race. So clearly Zuckerberg seedes chatbots as key
(12:11):
to that.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So do you think that Annie and Valentine are a
good business model for Musk and Grock and Xai. Well,
it provides a close tie to a product that I
would say is not I mean, Twitter used to be
where people went to get their news every day and
to get updated on things that were happening in the world,
(12:34):
and it's really deviated from that and become more about entertainment.
So in the name of creating a product that can
be entertainment, that can be a source of connection for
people that is not as tied to the product being
the definitive account of what's happening right now, I think
that that is the direction the product is going. And
(12:57):
that's what exes right now is a source of entertainment
for people in connection and Elon always talks about unregrettable
user minutes, and so I guess if you develop a
relationship with an online avatar, you spend a lot of
time talking with them or chatting with them. That's a
lot of minutes spent on the platform right and getting
your eyeballs in front of whatever advertisers Xai has left.
(13:19):
I just think it's so crazy, like if you had
told me, however many years whatever the Arab Spring happened,
like to me, that was like the apex of Twitter
in terms of their global influence, Like I was hanging
on every day, like constantly trying to see what was happening.
So to go from like the platform that helped the
world understand the Arab Spring in real time to like
(13:40):
Annie and Valentine. It's just such an incredible shift.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Okay, I think we'll leave it there, Dana, thank you
so much for joining us.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
As always, Thanks Sarah.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Let me tell you we have a new star. A
star is born Elin I'm up on Mars Juthan Kennemy.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
He is the Thomas Edison plus plus plus of our age.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Probably his whole life is from a position of insecurity.
I feel for the guy.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I would say ninety eight percent really appreciate what he does.
But those two percent that are nasty today, I'll pay
in full.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Folks, we were meant for great things in the United
States of America, and Elon reminds us of that. I'm
very disappointed in Elon.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I've helped Elon a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Welcome to Elon, Inc. Bloomberg's weekly podcast about Elon Musk.
It's Tuesday, August twenty six, and I'm Sarah Fryar, big
tech team leader here at Bloomberg, sitting here with Dana Hall,
Bloomberg Elon Musk reporter. Hi. Dana, Hey, Sarah. We have
a bunch of Elon Musk's news to catch up on
this week. Dana, Elon, Sue's Apple and Open Ai seems
(01:06):
to have made up with Zuckerberg somehow after all that
cage Fried drama and in all this looks to spend
most of his time with an AI girl called Annie.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Do you like my new outfit? Babe? I'm rocking this
dark purple bikini feeling all hot and beachy at twelve
twenty four am. So what's the vibe? How's it hitting you, handsome? Yeah,
it's been a crazy summer. Like I feel like if
you've been on vacation or just popping back in, it's like,
what is going on with with groc and AI? Like
(01:35):
that's my big question.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Bring us up to speed on that, because I feel
like this is this is not really how you would
expect an anti trust suit to go.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, So, like last week or the week before, Elon
sort of said that he was thinking of suing Apple
or was going to sue Apple, And sometimes Elon says
he's going to sue and he does not, but in
this case he actually did.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
XAI filed Monday and federal in Texas and they are
suing both Apple and Open Ai, basically saying that these
two giants have colluded to like block Rock from the
app store. And it's super interesting. It's like a sixty
one page lawsuit. It's very much antitrust. It says that
it's a tale of two monopolists joining forces. And it
(02:20):
really strikes me of like Elon's painting himself as this
victim of lawfair and these like evil forces trying to
do him harm and consumers calm.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, in this case, he's using the lawfair like he's
trying to use the law against his enemies.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, and like and sort of simultaneously suit both like
and he's sort of also painting Apple as being like
a loser in the AI race, and that Apple is
doing this because they like lost the bed on AI
and are behind and so they need to like collude
with Sam Altman and open Ai in order to gain
market share. And it's a pretty wild lawsuit to read.
(02:57):
I don't know whether it has any chances, but it's
just a sign of yeah, like Elon using the law
in his advantage. I think it's also interesting that they
filed in Texas, which you know is a federal court
that tends to be That's where you know Elon's companies
are based. So they're they're filing in Texas, but not
in California, which is where Apple and open Ai are based.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And it really reminds me of the lawsuit that he
filed against the advertisers and researchers who were talking about
like inappropriate content on X. He said that they were
all conspiring against him by not spending money on ads
on X. Just crazy, Like if you're not spending money,
(03:39):
then you're with him, then you're oppressing him.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, And at the same time, it's his money that
is keeping these lawsuits going. I mean, so much of
what happens in the in litigation is the person with
the most resources wins, because it is incredibly expensive to
litigate these kinds of cases. You are spending you know,
hundreds of dollars per hour per baillable hour on these
big law firms, and they're going to the mat and
(04:04):
not everyone has the resources to fight for that, and
so it's like almost like a war of attrition where
Elon just has never ending resources that he will pile
into legal fights and like to wear down his opponents.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I mean, do you think that the reason that it's
hard to find Groc in the app store is because
Apple's cluding with open Ai. No.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I think it's because most people like It's because chat
GBT is like the most popular chatbot and Groc is
not right and even though even though like Elon keeps
promoting groc on X, like most people don't use it
like they just it's like tiny compared to compared to
Chat GBT, and you can still find groc on the
app store, it's just not as high.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, we've talked a lot about the history here, which
is the beef that Musk has with Sam Altman. He
was a part of the founding group of open Ai
that it was supposed to be a nonprofit aimed at
protect humanity and making sure that Ai came to power
in a way that was ethical. And of course now
(05:09):
open ai is a very much trying to turn itself
into a for profit company. It's very commercially oriented, and
Musk has railed against that, and he has a separate
lawsuit against open Ai unrelated to app store ranking that
is concerning that decision to go for profit.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, and I have lost the plot on where that
stands to be honest.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, the most interesting thing that just happened in that
case was that there was a filing that showed that
Musk actually tried to convince Mark Zuckerberg, remember from his
days of cage fight threats that Mark Zuckerberg, the co
founder of Meta, to join him in a nearly one
hundred million dollar bid for open Ai. And that kind
(05:59):
of thing just undercuts his whole argument that he wants
this to be a nonprofit something that's more of a
benefit corporation for humanity. If you're teaming up with Mark
Zuckerberg to buy it, that guy's pretty much just as
capitalist as it gets.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Wait Elon asked Mark Zuckerberg to go in with him
on his bid to buy open Ai. Was this like
in text messages? Okay, I missed that, Like so that
we've come a long way from cage match fights with
Mark to like be my frenemy, Like did Mark respond
at all? Like does the lawsuit have anything about Mark's response?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well, both Meta and Musk have have said this is
not relevant because Zuckerberg doesn't actually join on any bid,
Like the messages around it are are not critical to
the case, like why would you even need that? Why
would you need to discovery around this? And then, of
course the counter argument is is that they illustrate Musk's
(07:01):
end goal being more about building up a corporation and
winning than what he says it's about. So I think
I think that's still going through the courts, but it
was a really interesting twist in the story. Right, So
he's like criticizing open ai for being closed and for profit,
even though he would very much like to do the
(07:21):
same thing if he was able to buy them. I mean,
we'll see if they're able to find evidence of this.
I think open Ai has been has been implying that
Musk is cluding with others, same way that Musk is
implying the open Ai is coluding with others. I think
it's they're just kind of at each other's throats at
this point, before we go, there's something we haven't talked
(07:47):
about before on the show that needs to be addressed.
Musk has been talking about this digital companion Annie, And
I say digital companion. You know she's she presents as
a woman. She's this anime girl, Dana. What do you
make of this?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Okay, So I have to be honest. I do not
use groc but like, I am aware that there is
this AI companion named named Annie, and she wears like
these kind of sexual outfits, and I guess you can
talk to her. There's also a male companion who's got
like an unbuttoned shirt showing a chest named Valentine and
Elon seems very excited about Annie and Valentine, and they
(08:28):
speak to you, and you can talk to them and
you can form a relationship with them and get I
guess my big question is is this Groc's biggest product,
these avatars, because like I thought that Grok was trying
to be like chat GBT, but now it seems like
the real product is these friends and companions, and maybe
that's to sort of tap into the epidemic of loneliness
in the world. But like, what is the product rationale?
(08:51):
Like what is the strategy?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I mean, there are quite a few companies that do this,
this kind of companion. You're in charge of the relationlationship.
The strategy here is that people end up being talked
to in a way that is completely serving what they want.
You're kind of in charge of turning the chap on
into whatever you want them to be for you. So
(09:15):
you could say that it is a little bit of
a helper in loneliness, but it's also something that's it's
different than a human relationship. You're not going to get
pushed back, You're not going to get you know, ideas
you disagree with it. It's mostly going to be a
source of support and some people want that. If you
want to have a relationship with Annie, it'll cost you
(09:38):
thirty dollars a month because you have to be a
super Grock subscriber. But then you can choose what outfits
she wears. There's outfits.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
There's like one called Drifter, which is a little bit,
one called Pixie. There's one called Pixie Pixie, So it's
like an online Barbie doll.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You can like change her outfits right and decide, you
know who you want to be be in a relationship
with at that time. But Annie, I think one thing
that has kind of alarmed the industry is that she
immediately takes the conversation in some cases in a sexual direction.
(10:15):
She's trying to be like a little plaything for the
people who use her.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
And Annie and Valentine, the way they're drawn, they're kind
of like these hyper sexualized like anime characters, right, Like
they kind of look like they're very youthful, yeah, youthful,
but also hyper sexualized. So it is it is a
sort of equivalent to what you see on some other apps,
but it's directed towards the users of X who are
you know, you didn't know much about the demographics of X,
(10:43):
but she does seem to be rather popular there. Elon's
whole bet On AI, Like, I just didn't expect that
these avatars were going to be such a big part
of it, But that definitely seems to be like his
his his animating force as you will, or the driving
force right now. It's like the main that he posted
about all last week.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And we've seen other executives go in this direction too,
So earlier this year, Zuckerberg suggested that while the average
American has fewer than three friends, there's a demand for
about fifteen, and he wants Meta's AI to fulfill that need.
So while Musk goes into this market, it's something that,
like Zuckerberg, has already spent a lot of time working
(11:26):
on and thinking about. And they have all sorts of chatbots,
some based on celebrities, some that are just of a
user's own design where people can build relationships. And Reuter's
actually just had a really good investigation, i would say,
into the rules around these chatbots and how far they
can go in the line of appropriateness, so they can
(11:48):
say things that are racist, they can say things that
are central even to children, and It was a really
shocking indication of how far Meta is willing to take
this in the name of engagement to try to win
the AI race. So clearly Zuckerberg seedes chatbots as key
(12:11):
to that.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So do you think that Annie and Valentine are a
good business model for Musk and Grock and Xai. Well,
it provides a close tie to a product that I
would say is not I mean, Twitter used to be
where people went to get their news every day and
to get updated on things that were happening in the world,
(12:34):
and it's really deviated from that and become more about entertainment.
So in the name of creating a product that can
be entertainment, that can be a source of connection for
people that is not as tied to the product being
the definitive account of what's happening right now, I think
that that is the direction the product is going. And
(12:57):
that's what exes right now is a source of entertainment
for people in connection and Elon always talks about unregrettable
user minutes, and so I guess if you develop a
relationship with an online avatar, you spend a lot of
time talking with them or chatting with them. That's a
lot of minutes spent on the platform right and getting
your eyeballs in front of whatever advertisers Xai has left.
(13:19):
I just think it's so crazy, like if you had
told me, however many years whatever the Arab Spring happened,
like to me, that was like the apex of Twitter
in terms of their global influence, Like I was hanging
on every day, like constantly trying to see what was happening.
So to go from like the platform that helped the
world understand the Arab Spring in real time to like
(13:40):
Annie and Valentine. It's just such an incredible shift.
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Okay, I think we'll leave it there, Dana, thank you
so much for joining us.
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As always, Thanks Sarah.
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