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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's so cold out here. I can't believe you brought
me all this way and you took some some short
cut off of the Interstate in snow, coming down like
this outside of the Pocono Mountains.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Well, no, see, I know it sounds crazy, but I
got a good feeling about this, because you know.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
That's good, because I have no feeling at all. That's
how cold I am.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Let me just turn the heat up in the car
just a little, I mean, just turn it up a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Great, the cracked window isn't helping.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
You can you can? Uh? I mean, here's some duct tape.
You can patch it up.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'll patch you up. So why why why would we
get off the highway? Because this way, middle of winter?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
This way we can avoid all the traffic.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
You know what traffic. No one lives in the Pocono's
but we want to.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
This this way, we can just take it like a
straight straight shot and we can just stop.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Straighter than the Interstate, which is literally a straight line.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Just trust me on this. This is gonna be I
don't think I can.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I'm really really cold. And how long are we supposed
to sit here before somebody comes? The road hasn't even
been plowed.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
It'll happen eventually or Horri will die.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh my god, what is that? It looks like a
group of people.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh hi, everybody. They're not waving back.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, they look disfigured. Oh I'm gonna go hang out
with them. You you are lame as hell. So no, sorry,
we gotta go, bye bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
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There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

(02:18):
sharpen your machetes and straight raisers, because this is cutting
deep into horror.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Hello, my spookys, and welcome to this first of at
least a couple Christmas time cutting deep into horrors. I'm,
of course, your host, Enrique Kuto, here with my cutting
deep into horror co host and fledgling improv actress Rachel Ridolfi. Rachel,

(02:54):
how are you?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I'm doing all right? I need to work on my
yes has well.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
I mean it was a risk having you be the
person who drove us out there, but here we are
so but tonight we're talking about the two thousand and
seven film wind Chill, which I have been a huge
fan of for as long as I can remember, well,

(03:20):
I mean, give or take. I think I saw this film,
and I would say it was probably two thousand and
nine was when I first saw it. Man, I've always
thought it was a great film, and it's one of
those though it's definitely underrated because every person I talk
to who loves this movie will be like, well, you
know about wind Chill, Like that's a great movie. So
I think that alone suggests it is very much a

(03:41):
kind of a under the radar cult gem. Yeah, what
do you say? What say you?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean, I haven't heard very many other people talk
about wind Chill.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, it's yeah, it definitely kind of came and went.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
But is super duper available to watch, by the way,
so if you've never seen the film, you may want
to give it a watch before we spoil everything while
we talk about it. You can find it on Netflix
with your subscription right now, which a lot of people
have Netflix. But if you don't have Netflix, it is
free on two B and free on the Roku channel.

(04:18):
So I mean there's excuse or if you know you
don't like advertisements, and you don't like Netflix, you can
rent it on Amazon Prime, you can rent it on
Google Play, you can rent it on YouTube, you can
rent it on Apple TV, and of course fan Dango
at home. So it's basically wherever you rent your movies,

(04:38):
that's where you could see wind chill and it's a
pretty Yeah, it's a pretty fun, very wintry, very I
won't say very christmas y. It's more wintry than Christmasy,
but it is set at Christmas time. I'm just saying.
It's not like we're maggoty with lights and stuff, but
it is a Christmas time movie is set on Christmas Break,

(05:02):
the beginning of Christmas Break. The long short of the
plot is basically two college students go on a road
trip to what was it to? You don't remember, do YOUA?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I remember them talking about Delaware?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, to Delaware, That's what it was. Yeah, they're other
way to Delaware and they end up crashed on the
side of the road. But also one of the people,
the driver, may not exactly be who he said he was,
And when you watch the trailers for this movie, they
play that element up a ton a ton. So, but

(05:39):
I feel like the movie is much more about the
fact that they're very clearly on a haunted stretch of road,
and the way that the ghosts are depicted is not
super common in a really fun way. So I really
can't recommend wind Chill enough for that creepy, spooky vibe vibe.

(06:01):
I'm a big, big, staunch believer in the ghost stories
and horror movies for Christmas kind of deal. I mean,
ghost stories at Christmas is a very old tradition, and
I think Christmas horror is just is just kind of
where it's at. I mean, I think Christmas movies are
where it's at because it's the only time of year
where everything is different, where everything is you know, decorated

(06:23):
or what have you. It's just, yeah, it's just different,
is one way to put it, I guess.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, And I think it makes things feel more special,
more specific to your experience. You know, when you watch
a movie and its set at Christmas, you're like, oh, yeah,
that time of year. So yeah, and this one ranks
highly for me of kind of underrated Christmas time movies.
And then of course, I my other favorite movie setting
is snow, which this has a lot of a ton

(06:51):
of snow for mid to late December in the Poconos.
It's a lot of snow. Actually, yeah, so, but yeah,
I don't always get that. You don't always get both.
You know. Sometimes you get a snow movie and there's
no Christmas. Sometimes you get a Christmas movie and there's
no snow.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
So, but this is both.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
This is both and unlike I think it was last year,
was its no? Last year? I think we did better
watch out. It was the year before I think was
when we did Silent Night Deadly Night, yes, or or
maybe it wasn't, or maybe it was last year. I
don't remember exactly, but the year before. Okay, wow, we've
been doing the show that long.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Wow, Well, I mean that was a great episode because
I have a million things to say about Silent Night
Deadly Night, and you should be watching that people out there.
And by the way, for those who really enjoy Cutting
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(07:49):
binge listen as needed.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
So, yeah, but when we get back, we're gonna dig
into a little bit more of the details of windnes
Chill and maybe Rachel will say something no right after this. So,

(08:16):
as we mentioned, wind Chill made in tooth Well, released
in two thousand and seven. It's directed by a guy
named Gregory Jacobs, who I don't believe has directed that
much else. He directed Magic Mike XXL in twenty fifteen,
which makes sense because Stephen Soderberg was a producer on
wind Chill. Yes, and Soderbergh was the director of the

(08:38):
original Magic Mike. And before that, he did a movie
in two thousand and four called Criminal, which has John
c Riley in it. I had not heard about it
but or heard of it, but yeah, oh, and it
was also produced by George Clooney and Soderberg, So there
you go on that. And then he did a movie, well,
he wrote a movie in twenty fifteen called Blackway, which

(08:59):
actually had seen. It's pretty good little thriller. And it
looks like he's been producing way more. Oh okay, yeah,
he's been producing a ton more. He produced Logan Lucky
Edge of Tomorrow, which we both are fans of, the
movie Dog, which I really liked. Magic Mike's last Dance
Black Bag, which is Soderberg movie that I really liked

(09:20):
about two a married couple who are both in intelligence.
Oh they're both spies. Basically, that was super good. I
caught that in the theater and really really liked it.
But yeah, so this was his second film as a director,
so not his debut, which is too bad because that
always makes movies more charming when you hear it's like
their directorial debut. Althways from Harrington Park, New Jersey. So

(09:43):
no wonder he wanted to set it in the Poconose. So,
and it's written by Joe Gangemi and Stephen A. Katz,
who let's see, they worked on Shadow of the Vampire
and they were mostly short story writers. Mostly it looks
like so fun.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I was looking up little factoids about Windchill and apparently
Stephen Katz is just Joe Gamme's pseudonym. Really yeah or
Joe Yeah. Katz wrote the first draft under a pen
name to separate this project from his screenwriting work on

(10:24):
Shadow of the Vampire.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Really, that's wild because they both are credited on IMDb
as well as individual wild people.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Well, this could be this could be wrong.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Where'd you get it from? I'm chatch ept Oh did
you ask it to see if it was telling the truth?

Speaker 2 (10:42):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Because I am pretty sure they're not the same person. Like,
I'm pretty sure that they're both in the Yeah, they're
they're two different people. They're both in the making of
Windschill sitting next to each other.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Well, never mind.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Joseph is an American screenwriter and novelist from Wilmington, Delaware. Yeah,
and uh.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, there the Delaware there you go.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Jeez, what what what? What did you do?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I'm awful.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Why'd you got to do that?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
See you were like, I'm going to help, and I
was like, oh no, this is going to hurt so
much more. Hell is coming with you be in Hell
for breakfast. But but no, So, I mean, it's a
it's a pretty uh solid excuse me, a pretty solid
little team that came together. Apparently the concept came about

(11:39):
because Joe Gengemi and Stephen Katz came up with the
idea of people stuck in a car and called it
the tiniest Haunted House. That's what I recall. There isn't
an American Blu Ray release that is not a three pack.
By the way, if you want to collect this. You
either have to buy the Australian copy, which I'm debating

(12:00):
trying to grab one, or you can get a three
pack alongside Perfect Stranger and Straight Heads, which is what
I have currently. But I just watched it on digital. Anyway,
I'm getting into the weeds. I also was trying really
hard to see if anybody was claiming Stephen Katz and
Joseph can get me with the same person and so

(12:21):
far No, no, I mean it's still no, It's really
not possible. No boy howdy No anyway.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Well anyway, boo, I tried it.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Boo, this woman boo.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
But no.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
So what we have here with Windchill is a very taut,
very simple, although I would say big in scale for
a film that mostly features just two people. Yeah, not
solely two people. There are other characters that pop in
and out, but for the most part we're in the

(12:58):
car and around the car with them after they've crashed
on State Route six oh six in Pennsylvania. Yeah, and
from what I understand, they filled it in Vancouver and
it was very very cold.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
It looks very cold.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
So yeah, and that's one of the things that I
love about this movie is how oppressively cold it is throughout.
There are some snow movies where you get like moments
of reprieve they go someplace where it feels kind of
warm and cozy, but there is none of that in

(13:35):
this movie.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
No.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
No.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
They're stuck on the side of the road and there's
like a legendary cold snowstorm coming through and they expect
wind chills to get as low as a negative thirty,
which I have worked in a negative twenty. Roughly, it
was like fifty to twenty degree winchell, this is fahrenheit
and it was hell. Ah. I was operating camera and

(14:00):
if you don't have gloves on your fingers, just they started.
They frozen ached immediately. It was It was vicious. But
the worst part was because it was the wind chill
that was that cold. You could stand there and just
be a bit cold, and then the wind would gust
and you would be it would be like ten degrees
fifteen degrees colder in that gust yep. That polar vortex

(14:21):
is for real.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
So no, thank you.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
But now, as far as the cast worth mentioning, no
characters in the film have names.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah I love that.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, nobody's ever named, which which is not a totally
unheard of concept. One of my favorite films They Live,
starring Rowdy Roddy Piper. Everyone has a name except the
main character. He never tells anyone his name in the
entire film, so they actually credited him as Nada because
he didn't have a name. So I do appreciate stuff

(14:53):
like that. I also, you know, it's it's funny because
usually you want to like give people names, their characters'
names to help them connect with the character more. But
in this one, there's such a degree of like anonymity. Yeah,
that is kind of interesting. But what we have the
lead in this film is a very young Emily Blunt,

(15:13):
who went on to become one of the biggest names
in Hollywood. Yeah, I mean, she's still a pretty damn
big name in Hollywood. This would have been right before
she went on to do like The Devil Wears Prada
and stuff like that. Trying to find like an exact
time frame of her acting credits for that, but I

(15:35):
mean she's you know, obviously, let's see so she did.
Oh no, this was right at the same time she
did The Devil's Devilwar's Prada. Oh wow, So I'm guessing
it was before it was before it came out or
before it became a huge hit. But she was in
Germo del Toro's Wolfman. She was in Gulliver's Travels in

(15:55):
twenty ten. She was in the five yearing Engagement Looper
Edge of Tomorrow. Yeah, it all comes back to the
Edge of Tomorrow. She was in Sacario. She was the
lead in Cacario, which is phenomenal, one of my favorite movies.
I mean, I'm just picking little ones, like she was
obviously the lead in A Quiet Place, In a Quiet
Place Part two, and then she was an Oppenheimer. Man.

(16:19):
She's been in so much and oh yeah, and she
was just in The Smashing Machine, the UFC biopic that
I saw in the theater. Man she was so she
was like unrecognizable as that character. She she transformed herself
in very much to play that character. Oh wow, So,
I'm guessing you don't know who Emmon Lebland.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Is off once you once you started listing some of
her credits, I was able to kind of remember what
she's been in. Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Well we're gonna take a quick break and when we
get back, we'll talk about our leading man with the
name guy right after this. Playing guy is Ashton Holmes,

(17:12):
who you might recognize from a History of Violence, very
polarizing and intense film by David Cronenberg. He was also
well known for being in the mini series The Pacific
on HBO, on the CW action thriller series Nikita, and
as Tyler Beryl on ABC's Revenge. So he had a

(17:35):
pretty decent career himself, although I mean Emily Blunt is
like a one in a million career. Yeah, just insane,
how how much work she's done in such a twenty
some year period of time. She's also married to John Krasinski,
which I mean that A Quiet Place was like their
passion project they did together. So yeah, very very cool,

(17:59):
very interesting. It's always wild to see somebody start. I mean,
this is not the tiniest movie they I think the
budget was a little like maybe five to ten million dollars.
It's not published anywhere, but it's probably in that neighborhood.
So it wasn't a you know, a super cheap affair,
but it was a smaller movie. Her character is definitely
like a showcase for her. Oh yeah, she gets to

(18:21):
have a lot of emotions, she gets to be funny.
She gets to be you know, she gets to be
the hot girl, she gets to be the mean girl,
she gets to be the scared girl, she gets to
kind of do everything.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah. The range that she has throughout the entire movie,
well both of them though.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Oh without a doubt. I'm just saying. I mean, she's
the lead. Oh yeah, So I mean the ending when
she's crying and stuff is just really I mean, it's
it's all her, you know, she's just running with that ball.
Yo yo yo. So the first time I saw this
film was it was I believe it was two thousand

(18:56):
and nine when I moved back to Ohio. The first
year maybe, and some change that I was here was
pretty depressing. I didn't have a job, I didn't have
much of anything, and I had been living in Jersey
for three years and I had to get rid of
most of my stuff to make the move back and

(19:17):
dah da da da. But one thing I refused to
do was allow like holiday seasonal depression to get to me.
I was very adamant that I wouldn't let that happen.
So I I was on a mission to find Christmas movies,

(19:38):
and in particular Christmas horror movies that year, and I
was watching them every single night, and almost exclusively new
ones to me. In fact, that's how I discovered all
of the Silent Night Deadly Night movies, because I'd only
ever seen the first and second one because those were
very readily available.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
I was pretty broke back then, so I was pirrating
like everything. I just I was unashamed at that time,
and I managed to get like all five Silent Night
Deadly Nights. I remember because I literally watched the first
Silent Night Deadly And at like eleven am on Christmas
Day and then went to dinner and then came back
and just was watching them all in a row. I

(20:16):
watched all five in a day.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
As one should.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
As one should. It was not a terrible Christmas. I
mean I came home with a giant plate of devil
eggs and just shovel them into my head.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, my mom's devil eggs are special. So yeah, she
used to make me a trade just for me that
were like separate from everything that had my name on them.
So that's but so in that I discovered wind Chill
just from googling like Christmas time horror movies. That's it.

(20:48):
So I believe I downloaded it. Maybe maybe it was
on a streaming service, but in nine I barely even
had Netflix yet. Yeah, so I remember watching it, really
being floored by it, finding it so creepy. I didn't
even have a television. I was watching everything on my
iMac next to where I slept, like I would turn

(21:10):
it to where I laid to sleep. A very depressing time.
I mean better than when I was living in my car,
but like it was, it was pretty depressing. But I
love that one. I thought that the earnestness of the
characters was really solid. I thought that the setting was
super engrossing. And I think setting an atmosphere can do

(21:32):
so much for a horror movie. So this one, having
the snowy, the snowy atmosphere, you know, really pulls you in.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Mm hmm. I agree. Well, the first time I saw it,
you showed it to me.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Of course, I feel like that's most people in the world.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, yeah, you you single handedly helped introduce it to
the whole world. It feels like it sometimes, but no,
we uh, it was one winter and you and I
we love to watch snow movies. When there's a snowstorm.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Oh there's nothing that beats it.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, there's It's like one of our favorite things. So
there was one time where there was like gonna be
a big snowstorm. So I came over and uh, I
think I like spent the night with you and hunkered down.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Oh yeah, probably I probably made I probably made soup. Yeah,
that's usually my move is to make soup.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Come over, I'll make soup.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Do you remember that time there was a giant snowstorm
coming on Friday, and and uh, I think I can't remember.
I think you were there. It was a long time ago,
but there was a huge snowstorm coming and Dave was
going to come down to hang out, and I convinced him,
like rush down ahead of the storm and then just
hunker down and we'll watch we'll watch movies. And I

(22:47):
had stuff. I was like, I'll make I'll make soup
the next day. So Dave and I ran out and
got Bruin Bruce pizza while the snow was pummeling down.
And then yeah, he ended up like because he was
like try up here till like Saturday night. Yeah, that
was what the cars were or the roads were plowed. No,
I I had nothing beats getting snowed in as long
as you have enough food and heat and everything you need.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, and toilet paper. I guess that falls under everything
you need. I would say, so, yeah, so you showed me,
uh so, Yeah, you showed me wind chill, and you'd
been hyping it up for quite a while, and when
we finally got like the perfect snowstorm, we watched it,
and I was just blown away by the atmosphere, by

(23:35):
the pacing, by how tense it was without being like
full of jump scares.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Sure, it's got a few, it's got a few.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
But it's it's not like your classic. It's not like
a slasher movie.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
It's it's very much a psychological thriller, kind of slow Burn,
which you said, And and it was one of those
movies that I just kept thinking about for like several
days afterward, because it gives you a lot to think about,
and watching it this second time, I feel like there
was a few things that I had missed the first

(24:10):
time around that I was able to catch this time.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Just really gave me a even better appreciation for such
an underrated movie. Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I don't know if I believe you, but but no, No,
it is a really great one to put on and
get you a hot bull of soup or a pizza
or something and just take it in. And because of
the time that we're recording this, were actually recording this
right before Thanksgiving because I've got my work cut out
for me in December. This was the first Christmas movie
of the season I've watched, so which I'm not mad about.

(24:47):
It's just kind of funny that it turned out that way.
It worked out that way so well, We're going to
dive into the concepts and the story beats of wind
Chill right after this. So we go to a college.

(25:14):
It's actually Pennsylvania University. Ooh pu, I'm sure that has
never that joke has never happened before. I can't pretend
that I know. I can't pretend I know on that one.
But I will say that every time I watch this movie,
I seem to forget it's set in Pennsylvania, and I

(25:34):
figure it out, and then as soon as I figure
it out, I remember that I figured it out that
way last time.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
It's almost like you're stuck in a time loop.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
WHOA, WHOA, WHOA are you trying to bring up? Friggin
eternal recurrence maybe, which which technically eternal return or eternal recurrence,
by the way, is the the concept Nietzschee was exploring apparently.
Yeah so, but but we'll get into that more later.
But so we meet girl I believe that was her

(26:08):
credited name. Yeah, girl, Girl and guy. I couldn't. I
thought it was two g's Girl and guy two g's.
But but we we see them on the college campus
and this opening, I think maybe this is another reason,
you tell me, I think this is another reason the
movie feels really comfy and cozy. The opening where we're
at the college campus. It's just nostalgic as shit. I mean,

(26:34):
the funny thing. It's funny now thinking I watched the
movie for the first time in nine when it was
basically then. I mean, O seven and O nine are
not that different from each other. No, it is wild.
Did you how did you feel the first time you
saw a movie and noticed that they were showing cell
phones from like two thousand and eight, and you realized

(26:54):
it felt different, like a different time than now, but
that was the time you lived in, Like what was
that like? Yeah, yeah, it was. It was probably the
Big Short. The Big Short was the one for me
where I was like, oh man, they really well and
breaking Bad because Breaking Bad takes place in like I
think nine or twenty ten, and then the whole thing,
even though it took like eight years to finish, is

(27:16):
like eighteen months. Yeah, so they had to keep everything
with the old phones and stuff like that. But it's
funny because society and trends, they they they are not
as aggressive to change now as as they were. Like
if you look at the difference between nineteen eighty one
and nineteen ninety one, it's pretty pretty big. Yeah, nineteen

(27:37):
ninety one to two thousand and one huge, two thousand
and one to twenty eleven decent, twenty eleven to twenty twenty
one A bit, yeah, it's but at that point it's
almost all utilitarian. It's like, well, the phones are different, yeah,
clothes aren't that different. Although I think some of that
some people say that's like a symbol that we're like
losing our collective like identity. They're not collective identity, or

(28:01):
maybe that's kind of a way to put it, but
like we're losing that that that thing, that oomph that
makes us different from generation to generation. I kind of
disagree I think that it's the opposite. I think we're
losing the trend chasing. I think trend chasing is way
less common now in the East, in America, where we are,

(28:21):
I think trend chasing is way less common now. So
only the most you know, vapid are chasing whatever is
cool in that moment. I think the average person just
can go can pick a pair of pants they like,
can pick a shirt they like, and we have a
million options too, So it's kind of like, to me,
it's almos. It's almost like like extreme individuality has has

(28:46):
like an over like a cloaking appearance of homogeny, when
in reality it's it's not. It's just if everybody's wearing
exactly what they want, then that just kind of looks normal. Yeah,
you know, because we don't have the baggy jeans. You know,
we don't have the the the junko jeans and the
wallet chains anymore. Like that's what we grew up people were,

(29:06):
you know, we don't have the navel rings. Rachel had
a naval ring. She was a two thousands kid who
wore a naval ring. But you're the one who admitted
it to me. That's your own fault. So but but no, So,
so that was a little bit of a tangent. But
I really do think that there's something to that. But
that being said a movie in two thousand and seven,

(29:28):
especially when that's shot in two thousand and seven, but
not literally in or not pretending to be in two
thousands of not set in two thousand and seven, it
just is Yeah, I think that, Yeah, there's a coziness
to it. You know, everybody's like in college. I ever
went to college, but like they're all young and like
they've got their phones and they're like T nine texting,
which if you if you know what that meant. When

(29:51):
I just said that take some more, I'd be profrom
for your back. I need it too. But but no,
So there is that cozy vibe of like this is
like for us, for our generation being millennials.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, it just feels familiar.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
It feels familiar, but it can really for us, especially
put us immediately into this sense of like it's winter break,
you're a kid, and now all this bad shit's about
to happen. So it's scarier in that it makes you
identify with everybody absolutely in that way.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Absolutely, So I.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Also want to mention Emily Blunt. I had to check
because I was like, how old is she now? Because
if she was playing a college student in two thousand
and seven, we have to be somewhat somewhat close in age,
and Emily Blunt was I just had it. She was
born in like eighty four.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Oh okay, so very close.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
I want to say it was eighty four or eighty three.
Wait eighty three. So she's like forty two right now,
you take So she's a little she's three years older
than me, about three and a half years older than you,
somewhere in that neighborhood. And yeah, so she was playing
way younger than she was. And for the most part,
I don't think it was I think it was convincing,

(30:59):
is what I'm I mean. I don't think it looked
unusual at all. I think they both are excellent, excellent casting.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
So she's in a lecture hall. She's texting instead of
listening because tomorrow, tomorrow's winter break.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, chairs, let's get out of here.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Oh man, man, man you you because so you were homeschooled,
you only had winter break when you were in college.
I mean, I'm assuming you had some kind of breaks
in homeschooling.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, like we might get the week of a big
holiday off, but in general, like we were going all
through the winter.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
We well, in school, we only got the two weeks off.
Yeah was it two I don't even think it was
two weeks. I think it was just one week. Was
it really for Christmas season? No? No, we had a
winter break. No, we had a winter break that was
two weeks. Okay, so it was like the week before
Christmas and then we came back shortly after New Year's.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Okay, that makes sense. So yeah, would we would take
a break like basically a few days leading up I
mean depending on when Christmas fell, a few days leading
up to Christmas, and then like the week between Christmas
and New Year's and then pretty much right after New
Year's we'd get back at it. But see, the thing
is we we we didn't take like a ton of breaks.

(32:19):
We would do like schoolwork in the summer to kind
of like keep up on it. But Mom would like
when my dad got home from a trip, we would
always like take a few days off to spend with him.
Or Mom would always the first day of spring that
was really really nice. She'd be like, get get out
of my house, go outside, play outside.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah there's flexibility. Yeah, they're the bosses. That makes sense. Well,
this young woman needs to go home to Delawre, Delaware.
Every time I think of Delaware, I think of the
Wayne's World's get We're in Delaware. No offense Delaware, no
sales tax in Delaware. I don't know if that's still true.
Used to be good for them, but she needs to

(33:03):
get to Delaware. She's texting with her friend, and her
friend's like, how are you going to get there? And
she types in bus, which tells you everything you need
to know about her mood. Because I don't think you've
ever went on a long bus ride. No, I've taken
a Greyhound bus twelve hours each way. It really wasn't

(33:23):
that bad. I mean, there were moments that weren't great,
but like the most of the trip was easy, especially
if you're traveling that far, because it's like just in
the major city, the metropolitan areas, you're gonna be like
the bus is going to be packed, and you might
have a chance at running into some people who are
rude or being crammed or whatever. But when you're going
from like Eerie to Rochester, New York, there's like seven

(33:44):
people on the bus, okay, and eight if you count
the Canadian and I sat next to the candy. Well,
we were like near each other. It was pretty funny. Actually,
she got along great. He had a lot of like
like kind of like this was like two thousand and four.
We get a lot of like negative things to say
about America, like but that we're like friendly because he's Canadian.

(34:05):
And then I was like, ah yeah, And I was like,
so if Canada is so great, why are you going
to upstate New York to meet a girl? And he
was like fairpoint. He was very very cool, like we
had a great time. We were not like fighting. We
were like making each other laugh a lot. So but
so she says bus. Well, then she is told, like,
why don't you check the ride share because at this
college end, at a lot of colleges people who are

(34:27):
going somewhere. We'll just put up a thing saying, hey,
I'm going to Camden, New Jersey. Anybody else need a
ride to Camden, New Jersey. We could split the fare
or the cost, not the fair because you know they're driving.
And she goes over there and finds one little haphazardly
written note with some you know, phone numbers you could
rip off. That says going to Delaware. So she grabs

(34:51):
the piece of paper and we're off to the races,
and we'll dive into the beginning of that trip. Right
after this, we walk up to the nineteen eighty six

(35:14):
Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, which even in two thousand and seven
is an old car, very beat up, twenty one year old.
That car is old enough to drink. And that's where
we meet guy who is a real Would you call
him unassuming? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I would. I would call him unassuming.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Like as a as a woman, what would your threat
assessment be when you'd made plans to go on this
trip home for the holidays or whatever, and you walk
up and see this dude with like his you know,
kind of you know, nappy mapa hair, and he's not
dressed badly or anything. He seems like he takes showers.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
He's a what's his name, Michael Cena type.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Michael Sarah, Sarah Sarah. You're think of John Cena and
Michael Sarah, which would be horrifying. I see that horrifying combination.
I don't. I think he's actually kind of a handsome, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
He's it's not necessarily that he looks bad, it's just
that his composure is so mild. Yeah, nebbish.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
I love the word nebbish. I use it all the time.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Uh. So, threat assessment on a scale of one to ten.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Three three, Yeah, is three on the general low side.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, with ten being the highest and like one being
the lowest.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Well, I mean I don't could you ever have a
one on it with a stranger? No, not really, That's
what I was getting asked. So I was like, I
feel like three is probably as good as it gets
with a total stranger.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Yeah, because if the stranger was a baby at that point,
I mean, you really don't trust him. But no, So yeah,
I just thought that was a helpful way to get
across that, Like, yeah, he seems like he's probably harmless,
nice enough guy. You know, you go to the same
college that helps a little.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
He's a little he's a little messy.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Oh well, his car is just full of stuff. Well,
in his defense, the car is a mess, but it's
also crammed full of all of his dorm room shit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
He does reveal a little later on that he moved
out of his dorm room slash kind.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Of got kicked out. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, he does
mention that it's kind of a passing. But yeah, yeah,
well and usually during certain breaks and stuff, people are
pulling shit out of the dorms. Yeah, so yeah, he
guy does not. He does not appear to be heavily
enjoying his college experience necessarily, not necessarily, unlike girl, who

(37:41):
is enjoying it quite a bit. She's got a lot
of friends, but she's also I mean, she one thing
I'll say that this movie kind of does that's kind
of cliche, although I think it's a good cliche, is
she is the popular, hot girl who's way deeper than
people realize, Yes, and much smarter. She is extremely smart,

(38:02):
I think that, But I think she came off as smart.
She did, yeah, really from the beginning, although she comes
off as smart because she comes off as cynical, which
but I think that's just her her boundaries, you know,
her barriers to kind of protect yourself. So as they're
packing the car up, she is already complaining because the
car is old and beat up, and he's kind of dorky.

(38:24):
She's you know, being bitchy right away. And they just
start gathering everything up and as they drive away, Oh,
he tells her to grab some stuff. I think, yeah,
And as they drive away, we notice a bag full
of groceries just sitting on the side of the road,
and I feel like, if you're watching wind Chill, you
likely know that this is a car like a stranded

(38:45):
car movie. So that is extra like ah, because it's
like that's like your lifeline. There's like food and stuff
in there you need it. I often think about sometimes
when I'm cleaning my car out or you know, going
on a trip and I have to throw some trash
out or whatever off and think about like I'll look
around and be like, oh, crap, I drank the two
bottles of water I always keep in my car. She

(39:05):
really put new water up on the side of the road.
And sometimes I'll be like, man, I should really put
some protein bars in here, just just to be safe.
But then I'm like, yeah, yeah, just put fucking food
all over the bottom of your car. Stupid, that's how
you That's how your car got so messy in the
first place. Dumb. That's that's me talking to me. But anyway,
so they get out on the highway and she's.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Just not she's not into it.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
She almost anything.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, she almost immediately gets on her cell phone and
calls someone up and just starts talking.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, her friendly she was texting with earlier.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, he's like right there, like like in the middle
of their conversation, just looking around like uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, she's talking like he's not even there. She even
talks about him a little bit.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, and she's kind of rude about it.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, And she also mentions in passing that she was
supposed to go to Cabo for Christmas, but you know
that didn't work out well, I mean, who would pick
Cabo over Delaware? So but as he kind of tells her, like,

(40:13):
you know, it's kind of you know, he's like looking upset.
I don't think he says anything yet. She snaps a
picture of him and sends it to her friend and
she's like, that's just evidence, you know, in case you
turn out to be a psycho or something, and he's like,
uh okay. And when she finally gets off the phone
because she realizes she's upset him, he tells her, you know,
that's what we're doing. We share everything, you know, we

(40:34):
split the gas and we split the whatever. And she's like, well,
I didn't realize I was supposed to be your entertainment.
And I gotta say, as a person who's went on
I would say like ten to twenty times my share
of long car trips. I think I probably drive more
than like a travel more than like twenty percent like

(40:55):
a high probably the highest twenty percent of travelers. Yeah.
I don't travel all the time, but I travel quite
a bit. It's not, you know, nor unusual for me
to jump in my car for ten hours. Yeah. It
is absolutely your job to entertain the driver. That is
super important. In fact, I'll tell you a story about
why you should always keep the driver amused and awake.

(41:18):
Right after this, you should always what are you looking at?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
There's a hair on your control board?

Speaker 1 (41:38):
This hair? Yeah you want it?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Oh no, you.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Can eat it? No anyway, But I was I was
going to say, so you are supposed to keep the
driver awake. Absolutely, it's really important. I was once on
a I have a couple of stories about this. I
was once on a road trip with a woman who

(42:04):
I thought we got along okay, you know, and no joke.
I was exhausted and she knew that I was very,
very tired, and I had told her at one point,
I was like, you've got to like help me stay awake,
like you gotta talk to me. And she was the
worst conversation starter I've ever witnessed. She would ask you
questions and you would answer them and be like, what

(42:26):
about you, and she'd be like, I don't know, Like
I don't do that whatever. I'd be like, if you
wanted to be a conversation you need to ask something
that you have an answer to, because then you have
something to say too, because it's not helping me stay
awake to just be flooded with one sided questions. It's
just confusing me. But so, when I worked in professional wrestling,

(42:48):
we never traveled super far for work, but we would
travel sometimes two three hours away, and there was a
very stern rule because people ride together all the time.
Your job is, your entire job when you're the passenger
in a car, is to keep the driver awake. That's it.
And I heard so many stories about pranks and scaring

(43:12):
the living hell out of people because they fell asleep.
One of my favorites was hearing about how guy fell
asleep and the guy was driving just took both his
hands and slammed them down on the dashboard as hard
as he could to make like an incredibly loud sound,
and then when the guy next to him woke up,
he like swerved the wheel and then got really Dodgedy

(43:35):
was like what and he was like, what happened. He's like,
nothing happened. What do you mean? And then basically, like
over the course of an hour and a half of
that drive, like slowly revealed like that he hit a
roadworker and like he better keep his fucking mouth shut
or real kill him. And these guys barely know each other,
and then eventually he found out like, no, I just

(43:55):
was teaching you, like you don't fall asleep, and he
was like, yeah, from that moment on, anytime I'm in
the pastor's steave of a car, my eyes are wide open. Yeah,
so don't don't fall asleep unless you want to reap
the penalties, especially if you're working in the wrestling business.
But anyway, so she basically tells him like, if i'm
your entertainment, you're screwed, you know, which is now she's

(44:18):
being self deprecating. Yeah, and you know, it's clear that
this is going to be a quite a trip.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
It's going to be a long They have six hours.
I believe something like that.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
I think they said six or eight six. I couldn't
have been eight. Eight's really far for Delaware. Okay, so
I think it was six. Six is still pretty long.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, that's still long.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah. Yeah, that's a long drive. And it's a December
twenty third was the day on the calendar. So also
when she's asking him questions about where he's from up
by in Delaware, and I should mention Delaware is a
very small state. That's why you wouldn't put the city.
You just go like, are you going to Delaware? Because
you could pretty much drop somebody off in Delaware and

(44:59):
it not put you out more than maybe half an hour.
So you just say Delaware? Where are you at Delaware?
But so his answers are all kind of vague. Yeah,
do you notice that?

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah, Now he never answers anything directly or head on,
and and a lot of times he'll be kind of like, ah, yeah,
it's like this, but anyway, let's change the subject, you know.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
But he does seem really into what she's talking about.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
She's obviously not into what he's talking about. And then
she starts painting her toetails and just kind of doing
whatever else and telling him, you know, the classic thing
that you should always expect when you're chauffeuring a woman around,
which is stop of the next gas station, I need
to peek. Yeah, I always got a pee, always got
a pee.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
So well, and at that point, because as they're getting
to know each other a little bit, they start talking.
They start talking about going to school, going to classes,
and it turns out they have a class together. And
she even kind of says like, oh, well, I never
noticed you, which isn't a nice thing to say, but
then again, the classes are like two hundred people.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Well, he seems unsurprised she didn't notice him. Yeah, he
doesn't have a very good opinion of himself.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
No, he's he's very self deprecating all the time. Yeah,
and she makes she makes a joke because he's like, yeah,
we you know, we were in like a philosophy class together
or something, and she makes a joke about, oh, yeah,
I couldn't stand that class, all the Eastern religions types,
and he's like, yeah, my my major is.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
No, no, no. She asks him what his major is
and he says Eastern religion, which which I'm on her side, like,
what are you gonna do with that? Really? What are
you going to do with Eastern religion much as your major,
I mean teach Eastern religion? Congrats? Yeah, because she was
in the philosophy class to get an easy credit, a

(46:56):
humanity's credit.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
So that gets them talking though about reincarnation versus eternal recurrence.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Well it's not versus she he mentions eternal recurrence and
she thinks it's like reincarnation.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, and he explains like, no, they're they're totally different things.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah. And and there's been a long history of different
concepts for eternal return or eternal recurrence, but they're referring
mostly to Nietzsche's Frederick Nietzsche's version, which is one of
the central concepts of philosophy of his philosophy, although the
idea is not original itself, which that's just Nietzsche for you.

(47:40):
But yeah, I wish I could give like a good rundown.
I'm not like an expert on Nietzsche. I'd have to
read something out loud and it's very long, but basically
the idea that that things will happen again and again
oka for forever.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
For lack of a better term, I mean, what, what
was your take on it?

Speaker 2 (48:00):
I mean, it just seems like everything is cyclical and
so like once things end, it just goes back to
the beginning. I haven't done a ton of research on it,
so that's kind of what I just gleaned out of
the movie.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Hmmm. Yeah, it looks like Nietzsche's understanding of it was
the idea that you just relive everything exactly as it
was again, and if you were aware of it, wouldn't
you want to die?

Speaker 2 (48:28):
That sounds like Nietzsche.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
That sounds like freaking Nietzsche. But now as they're trucking along,
they find a gas station, although a whole new challenge
has occurred because the gas station came up really soon,
and girls, it's so funny that names her toenails are
not finished being painted or drying rather, and she's like,

(48:50):
I didn't know we were going to find a place
so fast. And I love this rest area restaurant gas
station by the way, Yeah, because it I know this
was shot in Canada, but that play really reminds me
of the kind of places in New England and in
some parts of the Poconos where this is taking place,
where they just have these big, weird. They look almost

(49:10):
like family restaurants, but they're absolutely built into a gas station.
And when they come in, because her toes are.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Wet, he gives her a piggyback.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
He coerces her to jump on his back so he
can do that for her so they can get into
the store and then she can walk around, which is
pretty cute that he's like, but it becomes very clear
he's trying very very hard to win her affection. So
she heads over to the bathroom, which, as is always
the case, is through the restaurant. Of course, that's my

(49:45):
own experience every time I've stopped anywhere where there's a
restaurant and a gas station is the bathroom is through
the restaurant, and some odd things happen in the bathroom,
which this is a scene I don't always remember right
away when I'm remembering the movie, and we'll talk about
it right after this.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
So, as the guy and the girl are approaching the
gas station, she kind of mentions off handedly that she's
going to be getting corrective eye surgery.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Well, he starts by talking about how horrible it is,
like that yeah, he does Discovery Channel thing, and that
it was really like heinous.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
He's like, it's awful. I'd never do it. I don't
know why anyone does it.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
I don't know if they'd want to do it if
they knew about the part where they peel your right
Oh yeah, because she says she your eyes peeled for
a gas station?

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah yeah, Why would anyone do that? It's so gross.
So she mentions that she's going to get corrective eye surgery,
and he kind of gets disappointed. He's like, why would
you do that? You look so cute wearing your glasses.
Now note she is not wearing glasses. She has not
been seen wearing glasses. And she gets rather disturbed because

(51:04):
she only wears her glasses in her dorm. And she
even asks like, when have you seen me wear my glasses?
And that's when he's like, oh, I see a gas station.
Let's pull over here, you know quick, you know, quick diversion.
This is great.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
So he gives her, you know, the uh awkward piggyback ride,
and she walks through the restaurant and gets to the bathroom.
And it's very interesting because you were you mentioned that
you forget about the scene until you see it, and
you find it interesting and I find the scene interesting
as well, because the first thing that she does when

(51:42):
she gets in the bathroom isn't actually go to the bathroom,
it's stop at the mirror and take out her glasses
and put them on and see how they actually look
on her face, which I think is interesting, not just
because you know, it's kind of revealing, like, oh, he
really does know some things about her that it's weird
that he knows, but also that she's not immediately writing

(52:05):
off his opinion. She still holds some you know, some
value to it. So she goes to the bathroom, and
you know, things feel kind of tense because it's a dingy,
gross gas station bathroom. But when she gets out, the
like main door that we'd lead back into the restaurant

(52:27):
is locked and she can't get it open, and she's
like banging on the door, and it seems like like
she can hear the clerk and she can hear guy talking,
and she's you know, yelling and screaming, but they don't
come to help her. So she finally manages to like
push the door open and get it open, and she

(52:47):
storms over and she's asking why they didn't help her,
and they're acting kind of confused, like they don't understand
because they didn't hear her. So she kind of lets
it go and guy had like an armful of water bottles.
As they're leaving, and the clerk says, you know, you'll
you'll be fine. Just remember stick to the main highway,

(53:10):
the highway. You'll get there just fine. And this worries girl.
She's like, are we lost?

Speaker 1 (53:16):
And he's like, no, we're fine. I've done this drive
a million.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Millions, a million times. It's fine.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
So well before we before we leave the gas station, though, yeah,
I mean, I'm sorry if you had no, no, no,
what what did you take from this scene where she's
stuck in the bathroom and can't get out? Like do
you think there was some reason that had happened? Do
you think that it was just the door was stuck

(53:42):
and for some reason no one could hear her? Like
do you think it was like what do you? What
do you? What do you take from it? Well?

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I you know, it's it's hard when you first see
the movie to kind of place it. But to me,
I feel like the gas station is kind of like
the place where the time bubble begins. So to me,
it feels almost like fate trying to keep her from
entering the time bubble, or maybe she was already being

(54:13):
affected by the time bubble and that's why the you know,
the clerk and guy couldn't hear her because she was
already being affected by it but they weren't. Or maybe
they were being affected by it, but she wasn't, you know,
so she wasn't on the same timeline as them at
that point. Okay, that's kind of what I think.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yeah, I'm not sure. That's when I think one of
the reasons I forget about it is I don't have
like a neat and clear image of how it fits
into the horror that we're about to come up on.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, no, it I mean, And that's one of the
reasons that I like it as a scene, because it
starts setting the tone without totally revealing what's going to
be going on. All we can glean from that scene
is just that there's going to be this sense of isolation,

(55:06):
and that continues throughout the rest of the movie and
keeps amping up throughout the rest of the movie. Is
that feeling of isolation, of being so close to help
but not being able to reach help.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
I didn't think they were very close to help during
most of the movie.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Oh well, they mentioned that they could have at they
could try to get to the gas station, like the
gas station is kind of.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
But they didn't have a concept the concept of how
far away it was. No, I mean not literally how
far away was they knew it was way down the
highway or the freeway rather. Sorry, I'm not trying to
challenge you on it. It's just I don't remember that part.
I don't feel like it was ever well, I mean
until right at the very end. I don't feel like
they were almost escaping very often.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
That's fair. It's not a great analogy.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah, really geez. But no, So they get back in
the car and they start heading out and immediately they
turn off of Interstate four seventy, which is uh or
for eighty. I think it was. Yea, it was four eighty,
which is when I always remember the movie is in Pennsylvania.
When when I see that, I'm like, oh, they're up

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by the Poconos.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
That's where they are.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
I've driven that road so many times. But they take
a turn onto what appears to be State Routes six
oh six, and it is not plowed. It is covered
in like a in a very fresh inch of snow,
maybe two inches of snow, and they just start driving
down it.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
And as as they're driving, they even pass like a
pair of wooden crosses on the road side, which is
never a good sign.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
I mean, those are everywhere though a fair I mean,
I see them all the time. Yeah, I mean, but
it is a symbol that somebody has died, yeah, near there,
So I mean it's not a not a great omen necessarily.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
And she's she's pro testing. She doesn't like the fact
that they're going down this this smaller road. And you know,
he just keeps insisting that is a scenic route.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Well, he said no, he says it's a shortcut.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Oh, that it's a short it's a scenic route.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
That's later. That's later when he finds out, when she
finds out exactly what his deal is.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
That's they have a cute moment talking about Christmas and
Santa Claus and uh. He mentions that he grew up
in a Dutch family, So he grew up with Dutch
Santa Claus who has.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
A center Claus Ciner clause. Instead of living in the
North Pole, he lives in Spain. Yes, and he's scary,
and he has an enforcer named Black Pete, who calling
him an enforcer is a nice thing because he's he's
Santa slave Center. Claus's slave is Black Peter.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Oh great, so that's fun.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
And he's called black Peter because he's black. Oh yeah,
Europe kids, Yes, it's great, It's great Europe.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
And then she immediately well, she makes the mood even
better because she says, yeah, she just has to had
to learn how to have Christmas with divorced parents.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yeah, two dinner, two turkey dinners or twice is twice
the turkey dinners twice, the twice the gifts you have
to exchange for store credit. Yeah yeah. And at that
point they see a car coming down this very thin,
skinny lane freeway and it seems like it's not going
to move. She's telling him pull over to the shoulder,

(58:39):
or she says, a pull over and let the asshole through,
and he's like, where there's no shoulder, and the car
hits them. They fling through through the road, hit a
bank of snow and we'll find out more right after this.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
So she wakes up in the car. It's dark, they're
trapped in the snow bank.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yeah, and because right before that car came, it was
just becoming dark out.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah. One of the things that I like about the
movie is it will occasionally have like time stamps. You know,
it'll say, like, you know, five thirteen pm, and I
would have to go back and rewatch the movie. But
I think that actually plays into, especially toward the end,
it plays into the time loop thing, because I think

(59:38):
the time stamps start getting mixed up, and that's if
you're paying attention, you can realize, like, oh, this scene
happened chronologically, you know, in a different time. But that's
that's just an interesting little note. So she wakes up
and he's still like unconscious in the car. So she

(01:00:02):
gets out of the car and gets out her cell
phone and is trying to find a cell phone signal
and she's kind of like wandering around and then he
just appears behind her. And it's one of those really
effective like mild jump scares where you know, she was
so preoccupied that she didn't even you know, notice him,

(01:00:23):
notice him coming. But again, that kind of plays into
later on in the movie what's going on with him?
And they just start they start like discussing what happened,
and he points out that he can't even see tracks
from the other car.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Yeah, there's no tracks on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
So that's very unsettling because to them at that point,
that just kind of confirms that they've been here for
a very long time. They thought maybe like the snow
may have covered everything. So they they try to find
some indication of like where they are or how they

(01:01:04):
can get help, but they can't find anything. So they
go back to the car and they want to try
and get it like unstuck, but they can't get it
unstuck from the snow. She's trying to like steer it
while he pushes it, and they can't, you know, they
can't get it to budge. And as they're trying to

(01:01:26):
get out of the snow drift, she's getting increasingly upset
because she feels like he engineered all of this to
keep get her trapped here.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Yeah. Well, the more they talk, the more his story
kind of falls apart, and he seems to know an
awful lot about her and she knows zippity DooDah about him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
And what really like the lynchpin for her was kind
of realizing she was talking You mentioned how Delaware is
a real small state you're gonna know if you're from
the if you're from Delaware, you're gonna know the landmarks.
And she starts mentioning like the places she was looking
forward to visiting in Delaware, and he didn't know any

(01:02:05):
of them. And that's when she kind of realized, like
he never has even been to Delaware, let alone is
actually from Delaware. So as as they get there, you know, arguing,
she locks him out of the car because she doesn't
feel safe with him, and she even calls her friend

(01:02:27):
and like leaves a voicemail just in case, you know,
they anything more happens. She's like, this is evident, you know,
further evidence of who I'm with and what's happening, and
you know what you did to me. They finally calm down,
and this is why I was saying, like help always
felt like it could have been close, because this is

(01:02:49):
the point when he says, like, Okay, well, I'm going
to try and get help from the gas station. You know,
that's the last place we saw people. We know that
it's you know, it's down the road, but we we
know it's there. So he's going to try to go there,
and he tells her to stay in the car, and
again it's a busted up old car and it's got

(01:03:11):
a busted window. So he says, if that, if the
wind gets too bad and you can't handle the busted window,
you can just patch it up with some duct tape.
And that is even more incriminating to her because why
would you just be driving around with a whole bunch

(01:03:31):
of duck tape.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
She's also just being like snippy. Yeah, she's being quippy too,
because like duct tape is a common tool.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
But when he said there's duck tape, actually I bet
there is. It's pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I drove around with duct tape a lot, but that's
because the bumper of my car was falling off, so
it was I have a new car now, so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
I mean the bumper in the old car probably is
still falling off.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
It probably is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Wherever it may be. So but so he starts walking
back from whence they came. I also want to mention
because it slipped my mind when we were talking about it.
But right before the car crashed, the radio kicked on
briefly and we heard the beginnings of rocking around the
Christmas Tree. Yes, which plays into a lot going forward.

(01:04:20):
But after being gone for not very long, he comes
back to the car and he says that the gas
station was closed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Yeah, which doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Yeah. She's like, those places are open twenty four hours
because you're in the middle. We're kind of in the
middle of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Andy's got a little bit of blood on his face, yeah,
which and which he just totally writes off. And she's like, wait,
what happened And he's like, no, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Well, I mean they were in a really bad car
accident because and is scalps bleeding, you know, so, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
He's a little beat up. And while he was gone,
she you know, she was in the car and she
thinks she sees a figure in the woods and and
she kind of like waves at them, but they don't
do anything or say anything. She just sees, you know,
a shadow off between the trees. So when he finally

(01:05:10):
gets back to the car, she's been you know, kind
of stewing on him and who he is, and she
keeps grilling him, and he finally breaks down and admits
that he lives like two miles from the school.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
He lives in a place called Glen Falls, which she
says is twenty minutes from school.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Yeah, so he has been misleading a lot, and that's
that's worrisome, especially when they're trapped out there. Although when
she accuses him of planning this whole thing, he's like, what,
the guy who ran me off the rover is in
on it too, And he's like maybe it's like, I mean,
you're pretty, but you're not that pretty now to come

(01:05:54):
up with that that much of a conspiracy, but yeah,
so now the truth is starting to come out, and
it turns out that he's had a crush on her
for the whole school.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Year mm hmm, and he'd been asking around school to
get information about her, and that's how he really you know,
he had learned that she was going to need a
trip back to Delaware, so he he put up the
sign that he was willing to give her a ride,

(01:06:24):
and he even says he says this several times, where
you know, he figured that this would all work out,
because this was going to end up being just a
funny story that they'll tell someday.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Yeah, he thought that if they just had a chance
to get to know each other, like in five or
six hours of uninterrupted road travel, that maybe, yeah, maybe
they would really like each other, and he not quite
the best laid schemes. So but now we're in for
a bigger problem, which is they have no help the

(01:06:57):
cell phone. She has a phone, he doesn't. Her cell
phone is not getting reception. It's getting colder by the minute,
and they're hearing reports on the radio that it's going
to be severely cold. So I guess we'll have to
find out what happens next after this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
So they're in the car. It's been a very long time.
They're getting very hungry, and he's the guy's talking about like, well,
he brought food. He knows her favorite foods, which is
very unsettling.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Well, yeah, we didn't even mention he brought like that
was sixty Now, this is two thousand and seven sixty
dollars worth of groceries. That's that was a lot of
money on the groceries. And he hints that he bought
all kinds of fancy crap she likes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Yeah, but that was the bag that she left on
the side of the road that she was supposed to
pack up. So they don't even have any food, you know,
they only have the bottles of water that he brought.
So he kind of gets in the back of the
car and starts rummaging around, and he finds a candy bar,
and it's it's a great moment because he's like reaching

(01:08:18):
into the upholstery of the car and starts screaming, and
she panics, and then he just pulls out a candy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Bar, and she's not trusting him. She's holding the scissors
from the little kit with the duct tape like a
you know, as a weapon to protect herself.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
I mean, but you can't blame her. It again, the
going back to the threat level, now, his threat level
is at a steady six. I would say that, Wow, I.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Thought it would be a lot higher since you're in
a life or death situation.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
But okay, well, I mean, yeah, you gotta head your
bets too, because better in safety and numbers. That's isn't
that the phrase? Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Sure it is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
So they share the candy bar, you know, he splits
it in half. But as they're eating the candy bar,
the car starts to sputter, and then the engine just dies. Yes,
so they don't even have like the heat of the car.
And they get out look and examine and realize that
like the fuel tank busted and it's just leaked gas everywhere,

(01:09:28):
so there's no salvaging the car at all. So they
get back in the car because at least then there's
not wind, and again he's moving all of his earthly belongings.
So he just gets out like a whole bunch of
clothes and starts layering up and has her layer up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Well, well, he tries to, because she didn't pack any clothes,
no gifts, Yeah, yeah, because she's like, everything I need
is in Delaware. Yeah, so she's ripping open gifts and
and putting on scarves and stuff like that because they
really really need to try to stay warm because without

(01:10:07):
the car heater, this could very easily become fatal.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah, very very easily. But the problem is that she's
layering up is having a tiny lady bladder. She has
to pee again, of course, so she goes outside and
kind of you know, wanders out into the woods, and
as she's squatting down, she sees a group of figures

(01:10:35):
in black and just further out in the woods just
walk past, and again she tries to call out to them,
but no one responds. They don't even seem to notice
that she's there, So She runs back to guy at
the car, and he you know, tells him that she's

(01:10:56):
she's seen people. So they go out and run after
them into the woods. But she's very unsettled by all this,
So as he's running out into the woods to try
and contact these people, she goes back to the car,
where you know, it's not windy at least it's a

(01:11:17):
little bit safer. He stays outside searching for the people,
and as he's walking through the woods, he starts coughing.
And at first it's just like a little cough here
and there, and then he's hacking, like his whole throat
and lungs are irritated, almost like he's inhaled something. And

(01:11:41):
as he's walking through the woods, there's a burned down,
abandoned house and it looks like it's been there for
a while, like a very good long while. And he
explores inside. I mean, the the walls are gone, they're charred.

(01:12:02):
There's just like boards and and and stuff. And he
starts exploring inside of it. And as he's walking around,
a black figure passes behind him and he's looking around
and comes to like a dark corner and there's a

(01:12:22):
frozen body and as he's looking at it, it just
moves its head to look at him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Yeah, which which is one of the most outwardly scary moments.
Like this movie is mostly very subtle, but that is
not It gets me every freaking.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
So he he uh. Back of the car, she sees
someone outside. And this is this is why the movie, like,
even though it's mostly just these two, it still feels
well popular because the ghosts are coming in and out
so consistently. Now she sees someone outside, so she you know,

(01:13:07):
gets out and she's yelling for them, trying to get help.
She approaches the figure and even gets like really close
and looks down and sees that his feet are kind
of like bound, and she tries to she reaches out
to like touch him to get his attention, and the

(01:13:29):
moment she touches him, her hands like freezes like frostbite. Instantaneously,
he turns and he looks around at her, and his
face is all bloody and marked up and scarred up,
and he opens his mouth and an eel just falls out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Of his mouth and falls on the ground flapping.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
And there's there's an actual credit in the movie for
the eel puppet here, Yes, which was great so that's
scares her. She kind of jumps back and turns around
and there's two more bloody figures behind her. We kind
of cut and guys coming back. He finds girl huddled

(01:14:19):
in the snow and she's absolutely delirious and her one
hand is like really seriously frostin. So he takes her
back to the car. They use the duct tape to
patch up the window.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Well, I should mention a small thing. When he was
in the burned down house, he found a small fire
kit which which included some old newspaper. Yes, he used
to start a fire in a fireplace. I just want
to mention that because that place a lot here in
a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
So then we get another time stamp. It's now eleven
seventeen PM, and he.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Has purposely not told her about the house full of dead,
frozen people he found. Yeah, he just told her there
was nobody up there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Yeah, there's nothing there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
But that really might be the least of their worries.
When we return, so it's eleven seventeen pm. Girl has

(01:15:31):
retaped the window crack using some of these old newspapers,
and now there's a knock at the window, and wouldn't
you know it, I mean, you know what they say,
there's never a cop around when you need one, right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Oh, and it's it's one of those moments where you
start to feel relief because there's not many times you
would want to be approached by a state trooper. But
I feel that when you're stranded on the side of
the highway in a snowstorm and your car is busted down,

(01:16:12):
that might be the one time.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
I mean, spoken like a real person who doesn't travel
really long stretches all the time. I mean, state troopers
are like your lifeline for most things, because there are
a lot of times you're on these roads and they're
the only people that always go up and down them. Yeah.
You know, you have no guarantee anybody else will ever
go up that stretch of road, but a state trooper might.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Yeah. So a state troopers at the window, and you
do notice that his car looks kind of old.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Yeah, it's out, it's out in the background. But yeah,
when we get a good look at it is clearly
a fifties era car.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Yeah, and his outfit also seems.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Oh, it definitely seems antiquated.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Yeah, but he he knocks on the window and then
informs them that they can't park here.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Yeah, but not in a hilarious way that guy on
YouTube or on a TikTok or whatever it is that
you can't park here to crash cars. Yeah, he just
but he's like dead serious. He's not being funny, he's
not being cute. He's just like, you can't park here, Yeah,
you can't park here. And and girl is like, this
is a shakedown. Yeah, And she basically suggests that he's
probably partners with the person who ran them off the road,

(01:17:22):
so now they'll have to pay this guy off. So
she tells guy like, how much money do you have
on you? How much cash? And she starts working with
him to you know, come up with a little pile
of money. Yeah. Well, and it's clear that, by the way,
we didn't really mention this, but it's very clear Girl
is definitely from a more affluent background than guy, Like

(01:17:43):
without a doubt. I mean, girl's talking NonStop about you know,
ski trips. Because there's a reference at some point where
when they're talking about their free frostbite and she knows
how to treat it, and she says ski ski camp
or what that's where she learned everything about frostbite. So
it makes sense. But yeah, so she's clearly from a
more affluent background than he is, and she clearly has

(01:18:06):
way more money in her wallet. Although this is two
thousand and seven and they were going on a road
trip because I think he said he had like almost
forty or eighty dollars on him, I can't remember which. Yeah,
you you needed to have some cash on you in
case back in those days. Oh yeah, nowadays you can
get away most places take a debit card, but like
back then.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
It was real hit or miss sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Oh yeah, My mom was so old school when I
would go when I first started traveling all the time,
she was like, you need to have one hundred dollars.
And I was like, Mom, that's insane. I have forty
dollars or sixty. I'll have sixty dollars. Yeah, sixty dollars
carry one hundred dollars. Man, what if I lose it?

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Yeah, then I lost one hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Yeah so but yeah, so they she pulls together the
money and insists that she'll take care of this because
she's sweet talked her way out of a lot more
speeding tickets than he has. And he's like, yeah, okay,
So she goes up to the cop and you know,
tries to give them the money and he what did

(01:19:06):
he say? He said, uh, oh, yeah, he said some
weather we're having, Yeah, which is so creepy because it's
like it's literally like a horrible, devastating store and we
can all see that we're all very cold.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Yeah. This is not casually comment kind of bad weather.
This is real bad weather. So yeah, he says, what
bad weather we're having, and then he says awfully bad
Stretcher road here, which yeah, okay, and that's when she
starts explaining. She's like, yeah, we can't move our car.

(01:19:43):
Our cars broke down. And he says, yeah, you're you
have to move your car. You can't park here, awfully
bad stretcher road here. You mean you need to come
with me, and he starts insisting that she needs to
get in her in his trooper car. They start arguing
fighting over it, and he's like dragging her and pushing

(01:20:07):
her to the car. He opens up cargo.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
He says this whole thing about we have to come
up with some kind of arrangement. Yeah, he's saying, like
I can overlook this, but we have to come up
with an arrangement, and he says, I should mention. He
says that this road has all kinds of trouble, like kids,
drag racing. He uses the N word. Oh yeah, he says,
you know, N words, hauling booze across state lines, lady

(01:20:33):
drivers breaking down and no one ever sees them again.
So now you you realize, like this guy is clearly
out of time and something is seriously not right with him.
Yeah you know, yeah so, and then he starts trying
to get her into the car. But I just want
to mention because the whole thing where he says, like
he says kids are running or drag racing, and I

(01:20:56):
mean using the N word alone, that is very shocking.
In the fifties, it would still be pretty inappropriate, but like,
you know, you'd be like, Okay, I guess you're just
one of those fucking people. But uh, but it's saying
they're hauling booze across state lines. I mean that's not modern,
not the current era. No, so, yeah, he tries to

(01:21:19):
get her in the car.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
He tries, he tries to get her in the car,
and that's when guy gets out of their car with
like a big baseball bat.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
I think I think it was an.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Or something like that, some some big long tool and
whacks the cop in the head, which causes a ripple.
That's the only way I can describe it. It causes
a ripple, and everything kind of distorts. And then suddenly

(01:21:52):
they're both back in the car and one of his hands,
the hand that was like holding on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
To yeah, both of his hands, yeah, holding onto the crowbar.
It was a crowbar.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Crowbar. They're totally frozen and like dangerously frozen. And then
that's when she mentions, like, okay, I know what to
do from ski camp starts warming him up on her
on her stomach.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
One thing about the patrol car, though, the patrolman that
was worth mentioning too, is when he's telling her to
get in the car, he tells her like, come on,
we've got an audience. And up on the hill all
around them are those black those figures all dressed in black.
Oh that's right, Yeah, they're all watching, which is very ominous,

(01:22:38):
but also tells you like, okay, this is all kind
of tied together. And obviously you and I, I mean,
we've seen this movie a bunch, so we know what's
going to happen, and when to some extent, But the
way this movie unfolds in front of you is very
it's very what's the term, like it intentionally disorients you, yes,
and then kind of reorients you to play with you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
So now that they've been back, they've realized, now we're noticing, like,
you don't want to come in contact with whatever these
things are. They appear to be ghosts. You don't want
to come into contact with them because they freeze you. Yeah,
but also if you hurt them, it just kind of
resets the sloop at some point. M So that's a

(01:23:25):
spicy meatball. And now they've got to figure out, well,
what do we do if we have a ghost cop
after us on top of the possibility of hypothermia after this.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
So they're huddled up in the car trying to stay warm.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
I do like, although this didn't happen immediately at this point,
at some point when they were in the car, there
was a great moment by the way where he says,
you know, there's a better way for two people to
conserve warmth, and she says, dream on. But then I
love they linger on her and she likes smirks a
little like she's amused by him, by him pulling that,
she's kind of like, na, He's okay, you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Know, yeah, that was so smooth. So they're I mean,
they're obviously getting along, yeah, to some extent. And that's
what I like so much is this isn't This isn't
a black and white. He's an evil, evil person who
was trying to ruin her life because he's a stalker.

(01:24:40):
It's not. He's just this awkward guy who like got
a stupid idea in his head.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Well, in his words, he doesn't have a game, he
doesn't have a line. Yeah, he doesn't know how to
meet girls, as.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
The kids say, nowadays, he doesn't have any riz.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
No riz no riz detected.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
So she's rummaging through the car, trying to find stuff
to help them stay warm, to like patch up the
window or you know, extra blankets whatever, And she finds
the papers that he brought from the house, and she
finds a newspaper describing an accident from December twenty third,

(01:25:22):
nineteen fifty three, and she starts to realize that this road,
on this night is all tied together. All of these
accidents are tied together, and now they are tied with it,
and so she thinks that they need to take turns

(01:25:43):
through the night watching for these apparitions. She wakes up
in the middle of the night like she'd like she'd
accidentally fallen asleep, and then just kind of was startled
to wake because she senses something. The radio turns on
and it's playing Rocket around the Christmas Tree.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Which we had heard right before the cop showed up
last time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Yeah, so she turns it off. She thinks it's just
a glitch, and then the window beside her shatters and
someone reaches in. Then suddenly we're in the past. It's
presumably the fifties based on how everyone is dressed, and
I love it because the film is much more grainy.

(01:26:30):
They do a totally different exposure. Well, and it's daytime,
and it's daytime, whereas everything else is mostly night. And
again it's that state trooper reaches into the car window
and pulls her out and throws her into the patrol car.
But now she's some blonde lady and there's people in

(01:26:51):
black watching them in the woods, just like moments before
when the cop when the state trooper was trying to
pull her in, there was people all around them. Then
back in reality, guy wakes up and girl is in
a trance.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Almost looks like she's having a seizure.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Yeah, I really like the effect. What it looked like
they did is they had her act out like she
was sleeping and they filmed it, but then they sped
it way up, so she's twitching. Yeah, really weird and
it's very eerie. He tries to wake her up. He's
like shaking her and not not quite yelling at her,

(01:27:34):
but like raising his voice at her to wake her up,
and she won't wake up. And then again the radio
starts and stops, and then this deadly cold air starts
seeping in. It's so cold that like it's almost like steam.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Yeah, it's it's it's insanely cold, like bizarrely cold. Yeah.
And this is as we're seeing the cop like ditching
bodies basically.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Yeah, because back in her dream, the cop has taken
her into the woods, throwing her in a hole in
the ground, different woman, and burying her in the woods.
She finally wakes up and he embraces her, but someone's
like pawing at the window, and someone else is rocking

(01:28:22):
the car, and there's loud noises all around them. Suddenly
it all stops and they think that they're safe. It's
five point eight am. They're talking and he asks what
happened to the guy that she was supposed to go

(01:28:43):
to Cabo with, And this is where she kind of
gets really vulnerable with him, and she says that she
messed it up, and she thinks that she's just a
difficult person and that she doesn't blame him for calling
things off, and guy kind of like says like, well,

(01:29:05):
I couldn't. I wouldn't be upset with you. I don't
think you're a difficult person and really tries to lift
her up, but not in that not in a disingenuous way.
Now it seems like he really is he has enjoyed
spending time with her, not just because he's some crazy fanatic,
but he does actually enjoy her company. She as she's talking,

(01:29:32):
she's like going through all of their stuff, trying to
take stock of what they have to survive with, and
she finds a water bottle and at first she's kind
of grossed out because it's filled with pea, but then
she also realizes it's not just urine. There's lots of
blood in it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Yeah, there's some jam in the lemonade. That means things
are not okay, and that's when we start to realize
he's not doing well. And earlier, by the way, when
he was coughing, when you mentioned he was coughing, I
saw him cough up blood. Yeah, so he's revealed that
he's been coughing at blood. That that's why he didn't

(01:30:12):
make it to the gas station. In reality, was because
he couldn't he realized how bad he was feeling. We
start to notice he's looking really pale. He's not doing
so good. He's probably got severe internal injuries from the
car accident, and he's obviously been keeping it from her
because he doesn't want to scare her, make her worry
or what have you. And that's a pretty you know,

(01:30:37):
a pretty hefty reveal that he's not entirely, you know,
a selfish actor. You know, he just is a guy
who doesn't know how to talk to women, who just
had a wild idea and decided to go for it.
Because you know, it's like that's saying every frozen dead
body you see on Everest was a was a motivated
and determined individual. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what

(01:31:02):
we have here. And unfortunately, things are not going to
get much better, but we'll have to talk about that
after this. I do want to let it be said.

(01:31:22):
I meant to say this earlier, but I do want
to make it be said. Let it be known. In
my opinion, the first thing they should have done when
the car crash was head to that gas station. Yeah. Yeah,
I just want to put my two cents in. That
would have been the first thing I would be like, no,
we got to get out of here and go do that. Yeah.
I just want to mention that because like, as far

(01:31:43):
as survival goes, that would have been my first thought
would be, like, one of us needs to go to
that gas station because it wasn't super far away. No,
but I also Devil's advocate could understand why they would
just stay in the car. I mean, it's really really cold,
neither of them is dressed particularly well for it. And
also they just maybe four miles ago got gas, so

(01:32:08):
if the gas tank hadn't been cracked, in theory, they
would have been able to sit in the car and
run the heater all night. Yeah, So that's worth mentioning.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
No, I get that because that was That's always been
my thought is when you know when you're in an
emergency situation like that, it's good to stay with the
car because it's much easier to insulate the car and
keep the car warm than it would be to keep

(01:32:40):
yourself warm outside.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Yeah, but they are on a major road, true, so
like it's not like they would have to know, like
it would be difficult to know how to get back
to that gas station.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Yeah, because it's pretty much just follow the road back.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Made be follow the road and then make a left
or whatever, because they made it right onto there. Because
as far as I know, they only made one turn
after the gas station. And it's really up to interpretation
as to how long on six o six they were
on because it was, you know, a minute or so,
So my guess would be like less than five miles
six miles, Yeah, maybe maybe much less. But you're also
out by the Poconos, so you're dealing with mountain roads

(01:33:17):
and they twist and turn and zig and zag and
do all kinds of things. Nature's fun like that, yay nature.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
So she's realized, however, that staying in the car is
not wise, but he's not fit to leave. So she
at first she has this thought of like, well, she'll

(01:33:47):
just go to the gas station and she'll get help
and he can stay here. But he's really worried about
the weird ghostly apparitions they've been seeing and that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
Cop who is clearly up to and an out for
a woman looking for a female victim.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
So that's when she gets the idea. She's looking around,
taking stock of what they have at their disposal, and
you know, again, they're on a main road.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
There's well it's Pennsylvania, but a bum.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
There, and there are you know, electricity poles, there's telephone poles,
and she realizes there's a junction box like right there
on the telephone pole, and guy having packed up all
his earthly belongings and this being two thousand and seven,
some people still had landlines and he has an old

(01:34:47):
landline phone.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
She's like, I remember seeing in You're Junk a phone. Yeah,
So she digs through and sure enough, in a shoe box,
there's a telephone, a landline, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
There's the there is the chance for their salvation.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
And this is a good example, as you were mentioning
of her being smart but also being motivated. Mm hmm,
because it's not that she was dumb or lazy. I
really do think that a lot of it came down to, Like,
Originally they were stranded on the side of the road
at night in the freezing cold with a full tank
of gas. Not great, but not the scariest circumstance. Ever,

(01:35:26):
then it becomes they could freeze to death. Scarier but
still like, maybe they should just huddle together, wait till
the sun comes up and see what happens. Because it
is a major road.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Yeah, someone will come by eventually.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Somehow, probably, you know, or at the very least they
can get around. It'll be warmer during the day. They
could try their best whatever. Now you know, they've got
these weird ghost like apparition things happening. That's encouraging them
to stay in the car as well, although the car
doesn't see. Although it's scurrilous as to if the car
could actually keep them safe, it's better than nothing. Yeah,

(01:36:04):
But now that he is very, very ill, he's not
well and he needs medical attention, she's ready to just
freaking get this shit done.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Yeah, and he.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Is not okay with her heading to the gas station.
She also knows that that might be really dangerous, so
she comes up with this plot to climb the phone
tower in the frigid cold. Remember wind chills negative twenty
or negative thirty was what they say in the movie.
That's really rough. Yeah, but she heads out to climb

(01:36:36):
that thing that a phone poll, and I've never wanted
to climb one. Every time I look at them, I'm like, no.
I had a neighbor years and well, at my old
babysitters house years ago, they had one of those TV
antennas that's way up in the air, but not on
the house. It's to the side with the little bars.
Oh yeah, and me and other kids we used to

(01:36:57):
like dare each other see how far up you'd climb it.
And I'd always chicken out after, like I got maybe
seven feet up because it would go I mean it
went really, I mean I was a kid. I bet
it went up eighteen feet. It feels like it went
up thirty feet because I was a kid. Yeah, short,
but yeah, I would not want to climb that. But
she's climbing this thing. And their plan for this to
work is that he's in the car waiting and listening

(01:37:21):
for that the Christmas song because that always plays when
the cop is around.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Yeah. Well, and you forgot the sweet moment that they
had very briefly before she goes out to climb the
telephone pole because as she's as she's getting ready, they
are kind of having a heart to heart and she
tells them, you know, just listen to the radio. If
you hear the song, that's when we know that the

(01:37:47):
state trooper's coming. So let me know. And and she
kind of asks what he would do different if they
could do all of this over again, and he's that
instead of coming up with this whole scheme, he would
just walk up to her after class and say hi, Like, yeah,

(01:38:08):
that's all it took. There wasn't some big secret thing
he had to do. He just had to say hi.
They get her along just fine, and then they kiss.
They have this really sweet kiss.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Well, and what I love about the kiss is it's
not a big fat movie kiss. They bring their heads together,
she kisses him on the forehead and then on the cheek,
and then they kill like it. It feels very natural.
It doesn't feel forced. Yeah, I know, it is a
really it is a really sweet, bitter sweet moment because

(01:38:44):
when he says he would have done that, she's like,
that would work, yeah, you know, But you know, at
the same time, she's also really gotten to know the
kind of person he is in a lot of different ways,
you know, because you can learn a lot about somebody
by how they act in the worst situation.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
And this is a not a great situation.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
It's up there, it's up there, and she's about to
climb up that pole and hopefully reach out and touch
someone right after this. Okay, So she's on her way

(01:39:25):
up the phone pole. She gets up to the junction box.
This is one of my favorite moments because there's a
lock on it and she's like nervous about it, and
she grabs the scissors hits the edge of the box.
It wasn't even locked, which I just love that moment
because why would it be locked. It's literally a junction
box in the middle of nowhere. What are you protecting?

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Who's going up there?

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Yeah, So she plugs it in and she dials nine
one one and the connection is not great. No, and
she's talking to a dispatcher from nine to one one,
but they keep saying like I'm having try hearing you,
I'm having trouble hearing you. She yells, you know, we're
on route six o six, six o six, like we
need help. We need help. It goes dead. Hopefully somebody

(01:40:12):
heard something, but.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
She can't be sure. And to make matters worse, while
she's up there, she hears the radio in the car
start to crackle and it starts playing Rocking around the
Christmas Tree. So she hustles down as fast as she

(01:40:36):
can off the pole, and when she gets down onto
the snowy ground, she's confronted by this woman who's all
bruised and battered and barefoot, and the woman just kind
of looks at her and goes off on her way.

(01:40:57):
Girl gets back to the car and is hopeful, confident
that she's gotten through. She starts celebrating with guy, trying
to talk to him, trying to tell him like, I
think I got through. I think I got through to someone.
I think we're gonna be okay, and then realizes he's gone.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
It's five forty three am and she's pulling him out
of the car. She sees headlights approaching, but she can't
get back into the car. You know. At first she
thinks it's the state trooper, but then she realizes that
she didn't hear the song and it's a truck. It's
not a you know, true patrol car, snowplows, it's snowplow.

(01:41:45):
So the snowplow guy he heard her call and he's
come out to get her.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
Well they I'm sure that dispatch got sent him. Yeah,
he wouldn't hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
I mean he didn't he try.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
And he was looking on at her when she went
through the grow the uh not grocery, the restaurant at
the Oh yeah, which is a nice touch too, was
he was one of the like four people that were
in the restaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
I totally didn't catch that, you did.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
Yeah, yeah, he totally looked on at her a couple
of times, which I wondered if that was meant to
make us one wonder if he was like suspicious or something.
I don't know, but uh, but yeah, he was totally
there in the gas station.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
Oh cool.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
Well that makes sense if he works out there. That's
one of like the only places you could like hang
out and grab a bite.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
Yeah. Yeah, no, that makes makes complete sense. So the
still plow driver he helps her get guy's body into
his truck and he radios out about her, you know, says,
you know, get ready, I've got this survivor and she's

(01:42:48):
gonna need help. And he starts starts driving her into town,
and he begins explaining the history of the road and
he says that it's been a bad stretch of road
ever since the fifties. Yes, and back then a state
trooper would bring people out here to dispose of them.

(01:43:10):
And then at one point he killed a couple teenagers,
a young couple because he was drunk and driving and
he just walked free. And a family frozen their car.
And she even asks, like, what about what about the priests,

(01:43:33):
and he says, oh, yeah, there was the priests that
lived on this road, their houses in the woods.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Yeah, winter of sixty one, and they all froze. Today
we're all found froze to death in their beds, which
in hindsight, I think might have been the doing of
the cop.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Oh you think so, because why would they.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
All freeze in their beds? I mean it could it
could be that the uh, the winter just got to them.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
But I don't know, not in sixty one.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
I mean, they know where they live, they built there.
So and did you mention I'm sorry I missed the
did you mention it was it was a house for
retired priests?

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
Yeah, that's that's what it was, a dormitory for retired
clergy because he mentions that they had those priests had
been very active on that road. They had found people
who crashed cars and like, uh and uh braved inclement
weather to deliver the last rights for them and stuff.
And we so we're like, okay, so there's a lot
going on here. Yeah, but the way the snowplow driver's talking,

(01:44:31):
this strip of road has been kind of a legend
around there, yeah, because he's been hearing about it since
he was a child.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
Yeah, and everyone apparently everyone talks about it. Everyone knows
about it around here. And as he's explaining the history
of the road, his radio turns on and it's planned
rocking around the Christmas tree and they see headlights approaching
head on and he picks up his radio receiver and

(01:45:02):
kind of jokes around and says like, oh, this must
be you know Tom, I'm gonna radio into him. Let
him know that, you know, we're right in front of him.
He needs to slow down.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
Well, you know, he just said it must be Tom.
He's just all smiled. He's like, hey Tom, Yeah, And
one of the most badass moments of the movie is
girl just clicks her seatbelt and goes, that's not tom.
I thought that was such a love an awesome moment.
They get they hit into the car, they go flying,

(01:45:32):
and that that plow truck gets freaking demolished. I mean,
like all the windows are gone. Yeah, but it lands
ends up somewhat upright.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
There are days and there are days.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
And it is not over yet after this.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
So she's in the wreckage of the plow truck and
the plow truck driver tells her to stay in the truck.
He's gonna go check on the other driver. And she's
pleading with him because she knows a little bit now
and you know, says, don't do it, don't don't leave,
don't leave the truck, don't go to the other car.
It's not safe. And he won't listen to her, No,

(01:46:27):
not at all, because he doesn't he doesn't know, and
he's out here to rescue people. So he's gonna do
is gonna do his job.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
Yeah. The first thing he has to think about is
I have to find the other driver. But much like before,
there is no other there.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
Is no other driver. But then as he's wandering through
the woods, he does find a burning car. There's burning
wreckage of a car and she begs him to leave
it alone and he won't listen.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
And it's a cop car.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
It's a cop car. It's an old retro fifties cop car.
And she gets out of the truck, gets onto the road,
turns and looks and there's guy's car. They didn't get
any further. She has been transported back to the car.

(01:47:23):
She runs over to the guy, to the plow truck guy,
and tells him to stay away from the cop car.
It's definitely not safe now. And then we start hearing
rocking around the Christmas tree coming from the cop car,
and it gets louder and louder, and then we start

(01:47:46):
seeing tons of people in the woods kind of surrounding
the car. The priests come and they take the radio
receiver from the cop car, and the cop reaches out
and he's he's burning and he starts screaming that everything

(01:48:10):
was legally done. He did this all legally. He's totally enveloped.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
They have no right to judge him.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
Yeah, no right to judge him. And it's so spooky
the way he's completely frantic about being in the right,
but not completely frantic about being on fire.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
Well, yeah, I mean he's surrounded by flames, and it
becomes very obvious that these priests have witnessed all of
these atrocities with no power to do anything, you know.
I mean, well, first of all, priest aren't They don't fight,
that's not their deal, you know, their theirs, conscientious objectors

(01:48:56):
and pacifists. But on top of that, you know, what
would they do. Who do they report him to? He's
the police in the area, he's this, that, and the other.
So the idea that one fateful night he flipped his car,
got himself, you know, stuck, and then the priest showed
up like they do every time there's a wreck on
that road that they go and see. This time they

(01:49:18):
see him there. So they just rip the receiver off
the radio so he can't call for help and leave him.
It's the only way they can stop him. But it's
also why I wonder if maybe that was what caused
them to freeze to death. I don't know that that'll
be known, yeah, or that we can know that from
what the movie gives us, But like, why else did

(01:49:40):
they all freeze to death in their beds?

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
I mean, it could be that the weather's just that bad,
but I don't know. Yeah, but after they leave him
in there and he's screaming the monks or the monks
they look like monks because they're all dressed the same.
H The priests all leave, and we think things are
gonna cal mm down. But then the cop jumps out
and grabs tries to get girl, grabs the tow truck driver,

(01:50:03):
and that's when we see what happens, because he grabs
the tow truck driver and he freezes. He just holds
onto him and he freezes entirely head to toe. Yeah,
he just freezes solid. So and that's why I was like,
maybe that's what happened to the to the monks, now
that you mention it, he could just have frozen each

(01:50:23):
of them. But it's also it's very murky because if
you haven't picked on on it by now, the concept
of the ghost is that they're repetitive. They're doing repetitive things. Yes,
they're they're on a kind of a cycle, but it
can be slightly altered.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
So I don't know if that means that the that
the ghost can actually go for revenge or not. Maybe
they maybe it was just a freak accident. But the
other thing is the uh, when he goes and finds
the When guy goes and finds the priest area, it's
all burnt down, but that never happened.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
Yeah, And there is no good explanation of why that
area is all burnt down.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
In that one part, because later when she goes through there,
it's not burned down any Yeah, it's just extremely abandoned,
like it's in you know, total disrepair. There's almost no roof. Yeah,
but it's not burned down. So but who knows. I
mean again, different things could be happening because it's only
once the loop is broken too much that it resets.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
Yes, so yeah, it is. That's why I like it though,
is because they don't lay out this perfect rule for
the loop. They just give you enough information of the
loop is there. Once you're stuck in the loop, the
only way to get out is to break the loop.
But you can't break the loop while you're still in

(01:51:44):
the loop. It's kind of like this catch twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Yeah. No, definitely. And also the idea that the ghost
or any of the ghosts could freeze you to death,
considering most of the incidents that happen post the fifties
and sixties. Are people freezing to death because of the weather.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
It's like maybe it's the elements, or maybe it's a combination.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Yeah, and it could be, you know, the ghosts keep
you there so that you do freeze to death. But
I also like that, and and this is this is
getting a little ahead of ourselves, But I like that
the ghosts in this movie are not totally malevolent. I
wouldn't necessarily say that the priests are actively trying to

(01:52:29):
help girl and guy, but there is no point in
like there's once we figure out that the priests are
the priests. They're spooky, but they're not an oppressive presence.
They're not like the state trooper that seems like a threat.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
Well, it's also important to keep in mind, I mean,
they are trying to help girl and guy, just like
they tried to help everybody else. Yeah, because they what
could they do. There were a bunch of old men,
yeah I've never fought in their lives, you know who,
who are completely at the mercy of somebody like that cop.
So I think I mean, just them watching that was

(01:53:07):
the only thing they could think of to deter that
cop from doing things was they would watch him and
make it clear like we've seen what you're doing, which,
in a way I'm sure made him feel paranoid or
or made it more real. Yeah, he was doing bad things.
That's why. That's why when he's about to burn to death,
he's more concerned with like, I never did anything wrong.

(01:53:29):
You know, why would you be yelling that if you
don't want to burn to death, You should be worried
about that, not defending your morality. That's because you're worried
about your morality.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
So, but now we're back to just girl. Yeah, and
she's got to figure out how to survive all this
all over again, all over again, well sort of after this, so.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
Girl all alone now she's only she's really only got
one option. She goes back to the snowplow, to the
big truck and tries to get it started because she
knows that guy's car is totally dead. So that as yeah,
well that too, I'm sorry. So her really her only

(01:54:29):
option to get out of here is that truck. But
when she gets to the truck, she you know, tries
to start it, it won't turn over, and the state
trooper all burned up, comes after her again, and he
starts grabbing at her, just like he did earlier in
the movie when he was trying to grab at her

(01:54:50):
and push her into the trooper vehicle. But as he's
grabbing at her, which we know is we know now
is going to be fatal, Guy comes and whacks him
in the head with a tire iron with a crowbar,
and time resets again and everything shifts. She's back in

(01:55:13):
Guy's car and it's morning. She sees someone outside the
car and it's Guy. He starts walking away. She gets
out of the car to follow him, and he he
starts repeating things that he's said already, but he's saying
it with so much sincerity.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
I would have told you everything eventually. It would have
just been this sweet, funny story we'd have, is what
he says.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Yeah, and he's leading her through the forest. She follows
him through the forest and he leads her through the
old house, which again now it's not burned down, it's
just really old and decrepit.

Speaker 1 (01:55:56):
Yeah, there's no corpses everywhere everything.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
It's just an old, abandoned house. So she doesn't even
see like the full history of it like he did.
She follows him back through the snow. They kind of
go through this beautiful journey.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
Well, and one thing I noticed this viewing is when
she's going up after him, there's no footprints. Oh yeah, yeah,
footprints in that in the in the wide shot when
he's way ahead of her.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Yeah, which is a beautiful, beautiful touch. So he leads her,
and as we follow her through the woods, things slowly
start getting more familiar. The road is less snowy, and
she kind of walks around like a wall and comes

(01:56:50):
out from behind the wall and there's the gas station.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
Yeah, and that's a big reveal that I blew my mind.
They didn't know how close they were. I remember I
was talking about the roads that wind and they kind
of go and go. But there's no way they could
have known, no, because they didn't have a map or anything.
And also it would have been very dangerous to just
hike straight through those woods not knowing where you're going. Yeah,
so they would have they were going a long way

(01:57:16):
by taking the road around and blah blah blah. So
now she's right back there, but also it's very fitting
right back where they started basically. Yeah. Yeah, so now
the place is full maggot emergency vehicles. They're taking care
of her snow burned hand.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
Yeah, it is just we see a corner.

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
Yeah, taking away Guy's body. And then she looks at
her phone at that picture she took of Guy in
that moment, and now that photo means everything. Yeah, because
without him she wouldn't have survived. And without Guy's ghost
or whatever you want to call it, the the echo

(01:58:01):
of who he was, she would have still been stuck
out there. Who knows if she would have made it
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:58:06):
Yeah, she could have gotten stuck in the.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
Loop with him possibly.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
Yeah, And to me, that is just so the movie,
to me is kind of about redemption. It's also about
choice because the reason she is able to get out
of the loop is because Guy made a choice to
change his behavior and you know, help her. Not only

(01:58:33):
did he directly confront the state trooper, but then he
approached her to help her get out. Yeah, he didn't
just keep playing you know, games or charades. He actually,
you know, you know, did did something on the level.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
Well, and that falls into if you want to go
a little bit deeper into the Constant's concept of recurrence
as she saw it, Nietzsche believed in eternal Well, he
believed in eternal recurrence as a thought experiment, basically stating
that every decision you make from the day you're born

(01:59:13):
until the day you die, you will make again and
again and again. Every minutia will be identical again and again,
even though in this moment you feel like you're making
it for the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
Hmmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:59:28):
Therefore, a way to guide if you are living a
successful life is would you be okay with that? Or
would that bring you sorrow? Would you be upset if
that were true?

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
Hmmm, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
So it's a motive to make good choices and to
be a better person.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
That's not the worst reasoning I've heard of.

Speaker 1 (01:59:59):
I mean, you know, niets she is whatever, But but no,
that's that's basically the long, very short long of Nietzsche's
recurring recurrence whatever you call it. But but yeah, and
and in many ways, I mean there this movie is
about a person taking a chance and trying to do

(02:00:21):
something you know that they would never do, so that
they could have some memories they would like. And there's
even a part where she says like, would you live
this again? And he's like yeah, yeah, So you know,
there's a beauty in the in the sadness of it all.

Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
No, I agree, it's a it's a very beautiful film.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
It's a perfect Christmas ghost story. Yeah, like, I really
can't recommend enough adding it to your holiday watch list.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
No, I I absolutely agree. It's I wouldn't say it's
one of the it's not like Silent Night, Deadly Night
where we try to watch it.

Speaker 1 (02:01:00):
Think well, well except maybe the remake when it comes
out in a couple weeks.

Speaker 2 (02:01:06):
So wind Chill. It's not one of the ones where
we have to watch it every single year. But it
is certainly one of those movies that once either one
of us suggests it, we're both super on board to
watch it because it's such it's the atmosphere is wonderful.

(02:01:28):
I love the soundtrack. The musical score is great, very
very compelling and helps really drive home the snowy atmosphere
without being too christmasy.

Speaker 1 (02:01:42):
Yeah, I get you.

Speaker 2 (02:01:44):
But yeah, just just a great movie.

Speaker 1 (02:01:46):
So definitely check that out. I know you'll like it.
Wind Chill from two thousand and seven, and next time
when we come back it'll be about a week or so.
Who knows, we'll be talking about a film another Christmas
Road Ghost Story, a movie that is bizarrely like wind Well,

(02:02:08):
Windchill is bizarrely like it, but there are a lot
of deviations. They don't have the same ending at all
or anything like that, but they are very similar movies,
to the point where I was describing wind Chill to
somebody and they thought I was talking about dead End,
and I was like, oh, no, I've seen that, though.
I like dead End. And that's two thousand and three's

(02:02:29):
dead End, another Christmas horror ghost travel movie. You can
watch it free on two B Pluto TV, Amazon Prime Video,
and Plex, or rent it wherever you rent movies. So, kids,
that is your holiday homework. Give dead End a watch
and we'll be talking about it real, real soon. And yeah,

(02:02:51):
that's really what it's all about. That and eternal recurrence. Yeah,
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present and wrap this up, So Rach I'll give you

(02:03:35):
the final word.

Speaker 2 (02:03:38):
Stay on the main highway. It's safer that way.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
We'll see

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