Monthly Spooky | Halloween Urban Legends: Poisoned Candy, Haunted Houses & Spooky Stories - Weekly Spooky: Scary Halloween Stories | Terrifying Tales to Creep Your Night

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Haunted real estate at a killer price. Ghosts following you
at the grocery store, tiny little skeletons. They're fun and
we're just unearthed and poison in your halloween candy.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Get comfortable, turn off the lights. It's monthly spooky.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Well, hello, my spookies. It's of course October, the spooky season.
And if you're listening to this, you are somehow not
tired of my voice yet, And it is indeed that
time of the month. It's monthly spooky. I'm, of course

(00:48):
your host Enrique Kuto here with my good buddy and
co host Michelle. Michelle, how are you? I didn't mean
to start with the hard questions. I just thought it
would be good to pull you in, you know. No,
oh but Michelle, how's your spooky season been so far?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Not good, not good in what way?

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I don't not happy, so I don't want to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
So you don't want to do spooky season?

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:25):
So have you been have you been like purposely avoiding
anything spooky or creepy or No.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Not purposefully. I just haven't been seeking it out.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
It looks like somebody needs me to send them a
giant bag of candy corn. No, I forget. Are you
pro candy corn?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
I am, but I don't want it.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Why Why wouldn't you want candy corn?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I don't know if it would make me feel good, So.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I'm not going Oh yeah, yeah, I shouldn't go with
stomach stuff. Yeah, like eating stuff. The thing was I
was trying to go with for those who I don't
know how you wouldn't be aware, but might not be aware.
I have been releasing a show every day in October
and it has been interesting, to say the least. It's

(02:17):
gone really well. This is actually this is the third
year that I've done a new show every single day
in October, and of the three, this is the least
chaotic one, and it's also the biggest one.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Good.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
The sheer amount of shows, the sheer length of episodes.
We've had a lot of longer episodes, shows that are
an hour, hour and a half. We're releasing next Wednesday,
and this is an exclusive if you're listening right now.
Next Wednesday, we release a sequel to last year's novella
Dirt Babies by Bruce Haney. We're releasing Asylum of the

(02:56):
Dirt Babies. It's a sequel and it's really good. And
it's longest standard episode of Weekly Spooky ever. It's two
hours and forty minutes. Wow, it's really really good.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Sorry, it's like a movie but longer.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
It's almost a it's a it's a short novel, yeah,
is what it is. So and of course on on Thursday,
we also have another novella courtesy of our very own
Rob Fields. We've been featuring a bunch of his novellas
this October. It's been really fun, but it's definitely been
a bigger challenge. Last year I managed to keep it
all together, but it was really chaotic and I was

(03:33):
struggling with like my voice getting knocked out and all
that stuff. But this year, the stories on average are
three times as long as they were last year. That's
on average. There are few that aren't that long. But yeah,
so it's been It's been an interesting experience and the
audience doesn't really get an insight into that kind of

(03:56):
chaos and stuff unless they listen to this show or
maybe cutting deep into Horror, which is the other show
I do that's conversational, because otherwise you know, I'm not
gonna what am I gonna mention it? In the two
minute intro. Yeah to a story. Yeah, Hey, everybody, I'm
really tired. So a woman disappears. But we've also done

(04:17):
some stuff I'm really proud of on Weekly Spooky that's
kind of newer, which is we did three very special
episodes of Terrifying and True that were a bit more expansive.
We've been experimenting with bigger episodes of Terrifying and True
where we're able to dive deeper into not just the
stories or the concepts, but we're able to dive into

(04:41):
like broader concepts, which I love. I love the idea
of not just doing a story about like a true
crime story, but doing a giant piece about vanishing hitchhiker
legends or I really loved last month's spook Hollo episode
and the Resurrection Mary episode. Those were really fun. And
this month we did we did an episode about Elmir

(05:02):
Curdie the corpse that toward America and ended up Yeah,
and then ended up a decoration in a Spook Show
ride in California.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Oh, I do know about that. Yeah, you should.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Listen to that episode. It's really interesting. It was discovered
by a crew member on the set of The Six
Million Dollar Man because they were filming in the ride Wow,
and somebody was like, move that dummy out of the way,
and the arm fell off and the guy picked it up.
It was like, that's a bone, that's a human arm.
It was mummified at that point, of course, But it

(05:37):
also leads into a somewhat broader topic about the fact
that corpses were toward and like if you were an outlaw,
for instance, sometimes people would like buy your corpse or
just happen to obtain your corpse, and they would charge
people at mission to see it. Yeah, stuff like that
was very common in the eighteen hundreds. And that's how

(06:00):
he ended up in some spook show. Is he had
been sold from one carnival to another carnival to another carnival,
and each time less information was exchanged till to the
point where somebody just saw what looked like a body
and went, oh, it must be a dummy because there
was no manifest saying real human corpse.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Can you imagine now having a real human corpse and
not realizing it though, because I can't.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
I can, to be honest, no, not now. I won't
say I can empathize, not like directly, but I've had
friends who own warehouses and they really don't know what's
in there.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Okay, But if I'm saying, yeah, so if you have
a warehouse and there's a human corpse in there that
you don't know about, okay, but if you buy something
that is literally a human corpse, I think I would
know it was a human corpse.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
I get that. My point is that, like if you
own a spook show or a carnival and another carnival
goes out of bi business and they're like, hey, give me,
you know, fourteen grand and you can just have this stuff. Okay, Yeah,
you just kind of go okay because it's a fire sales,
so you're just taking what they've got. You don't really
even you know enough about their carnival to know that

(07:13):
they have like rides and decorations, and you're like, well
that's worth it. I'll just take it.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, I'll just take this corpse.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
I'll just take this human.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I'm just gonna grab it right now. We're going with it.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
A buddy of mine who owns a lot of oddities,
he actually has to have his attorney keep him up
to date on if the things he has are legal
in certain states because idea yeah, it turns out sometimes
they're not anymore. And then he has to make the
concerted decision to like when am I going to put

(07:44):
that in a van and take it to a warehouse
I have in another state, because yeah, I'm not supposed
to have it anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll stick to
collecting like Terminator two memorabilia, I guess. But uh, the
other two we did that I thought were really fun
and fascinating. Where the Vampire Sacramento, which is a terrifying

(08:06):
true crime story about a guy who was mentally disturbed
and wo'd go around checking doors and if the doortob
was unlocked in the middle of the day, he'd go
in and murder the people inside and drink their blood.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, that's why you should lock your door.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
You always lock your doors. Yeah. And then the biggest
episode of terrifying and true ever over two hours and
ten minutes, I did a deep dive into the Warrens,
the first famous paranormal investigation couple, and it's really fun.
The first half of the show is presenting all the
legend in a fun and spooky way, and then the

(08:41):
second half is pointing out how there's lots of lies
and misdirection and just what kind of people the Warrens
might have been. Yeah, so it's been a really cool
and I will give one quick tease before we take
this break and jump into the spooky news. Next month,
we are doing three terrifying and true stories somewhat related

(09:05):
to Thanksgiving, with the first one being the actual history
of the Donner Party. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, a
little cannibalism humor. But then we're doing two different episodes
about the cruel, terrifying reality of hardship during the time
of the Pilgrims. So one of them is like how

(09:28):
much starvation there was, and it leans into the Native
Americans that they were doing business with as well, because
one thing people often ignore about that time period is
the Native American tribe. The reason they were extra ready
to be friends with the Pilgrims is they had just
went through an epidemic and lost a ton of their population,

(09:48):
like about ten years before they arrived. So they were
like so happy to make friends and they desperately needed peace.
They were not in the shape to fight a war
at all, Like they were just completely not ready. So
we have one that's about the real harsh realities. But
then for fun, We're going to do one about the
the folkloric and supernatural fears of those native tribes and

(10:13):
those puritans from the pill from the Pilgrims in that
time period and history. Cool, so we get to lean
into like things they may have worried about because of
their traditions and legends and stuff like that. So I'm
really amped about it.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Good, I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
So before we get ready for the spooking spooky news, Chell,
do you want to know the topic for tonight? I
guess we're gonna do a little bit of a of
a exploration of the whole concept of poison Halloween candy. Oh,
did your parents check your candy? No? Wow, it's like

(10:54):
we have three kids, like if we yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
No, we just no, No, they didn't. I don't think
they believe that the candy was going to be poisoned.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Did they tell you to at least like throw anything
away that's not sealed or to check if your candy
had been tampered with?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, okay, so they didn't totally not care if you
live or die.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
They I mean, they were just like, if it's been
tampered with, that's the ones you eat first.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yes, they don't go bad.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
That's good. That's good. That's good education. I love that. Okay, Well,
we're gonna do a little dive into an article all
about it. We did a terrifying and true years ago
about about poison Halloween candy. It's always an interesting topic
and solid. As we head into the last week of October,
Halloween is this Friday, and having Halloween and the thirty

(11:41):
first on a Friday makes this month feel really weird,
like you and I are used to the show being
much closer to the end of the month, yeah than
it is. So with that all being said, we're going
to take a quick break and we'll be back with
a whole bunch of spooky news because this October got
the memo and came up with some spooky stuff right
after this. All right, now we're back and chill. You

(12:12):
mentioned during that break you're not feeling super good in
your brain space. Well, that sounds like you're upset. I mean,
you have a had ache. Geez, you know what. I try, Okay,
I try.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I'm sad. Anyway, Okay, thank you for that that that
that was for me.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
You were trying to make me feel better and I
appreciate that. So I thought to make you raise your
spirits a little bit, maybe you could you could cue
the thing for the for the News.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
So we're gonna do the Spooky News. That what we do,
the Spooky News.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Hey that worked, Okay, cool. I knew you had it
in youa So this first story from the Spooky News.
And I want to mention also, I forgot to mention
this at the top of the show. This is our
fortieth episode of Monthly Spooky Wow. We have done forty months.
Oh my god, say it like that. It feels like

(13:13):
a lot. We've done forty months of Monthly Spooky Wow.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Wow. That's a lot, because there's not that many months
in a year.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
No, there's less than forty months in a year. Yeah,
you heard it here first folks nailed it. No, but
uh And I just want to take one quick second
and say just thank you so much Michelle for being
my co host on this and for being game for it.
Because when I came up with the idea, it was
during a really weird time in the show, because we

(13:44):
had just started to grow a lot and I really
wanted to create some new value for the listeners that
was fun for me, and I really honestly wanted people
to get to know you. If I'm honest, they don't
know me. Wow, that's a hateful thing, you don't know. No,

(14:05):
they love spicy Chell. They love Spicychell though. They love
when you're pissed off. It makes them happy.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I'm just saying. At the end, all I'm trying to
say is thank you, Cell. Sorry, but also but I
also want to mention that several of the spooky news
stories we have today are somewhat updates, like we've covered
portions of these before. And what better way to celebrate

(14:37):
forty months forty episodes of monthly Spooky I know what
you're thinking. Forty that's an odd number to choose. It's
because it's also October. If the forty didn't land on October,
I would have just waited until fifty or something. But
we're at prime time. But I thought what better way
to kind of bring it full circle than to talk

(14:58):
about some stuff that we have talked about before. Yeah,
So with that all being said, this article talks a
little bit about the Warrens, which we were just talking
about Ed and Lorraine Warren, which we did a terrifying
and true episode about about a week or so ago.
You could check that out if you haven't had a
chance to listen to it. It's a really interesting thing.
But the headline is owners of Connecticut's Warrens occult museum

(15:23):
house invite to public to send in their haunted items.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Oh, I could send in my stuff, just all of it. Yeah,
I think it's haunted.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
What makes you think that's haunted?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I don't know. It was here and I just looked
at it and I was like, it's probably haunted. So
now you have it, yay, enjoy.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
It's mostly old rags.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, I just didn't know what I was. I was
supposed to throw them out because they have like turbentine
on thems. What was just like, you can have.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
It's old rags and dead batteries. You're not supposed to
just throw them away. So here you go. They're haunted.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, they're totally haunted. This one used to make a
clock move.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
That got me. Good job, Chell, dit you uh. The
new owners of Ed and Lorraine Warren's house and a
cult museum are looking for individuals to mail in their
allegedly haunted items. Now I don't know if you have
you been following or heard anything about the new owners
of ed Lorraine's a cult Zoom, I haven't. So. Their

(16:35):
museum is supposedly full of items from all of the
exorcisms and stuff they've been involved with.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, they just like keeping things.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, And we talked a little bit about how they
had taken the real Annabelle doll on tour and one
of the people taking care of it suddenly died and
it was very sad, honestly because he was like a
very young person. Comedian Matt Rife and YouTuber Elton Casti
are the new owners of that house and museum after
purchasing the property in August for one million dollars. I

(17:07):
want to say, if I were a very successful comedian
or YouTuber or influencer, this is the kind of crap
I would start buying. If I made more than like
ten million dollars, I'd be like, so, there's a famous
occult museum. Can I afford it? Because then I'll just
buy it to say I bought it, even if I
sell it in the year, at least I owned it.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah. Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I don't know. You're like, I don't know it depends
on how the like the walls and the floor looking stuff.
That would be the response.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Exactly, I'm not just buying some cult museum that's like
falling down and has an unstable foundation.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
But it is in Connecticut, which is nice.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, but that doesn't mean the house is nice.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
No, I'm just saying that the probably have some curb
appeal and stuff because Connecticut, you know, there's those people
have nice things.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
What about property taxes?

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Those are goddamn high.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
I'm sure, Yeah, I don't do this sounds bad.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I mean, you say that, but then you won't live
next door to me. Even though the property taxes are
super low here.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
It's haunted.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
All the houses around me are no.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Just the ones directly next to you are haunted.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Well, I didn't need literally next to me. I met
on the same block because the house is directly next
to me aren't for sale.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
That's because everyone's dead and they haven't figured out the
chain of like ownership yet.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
That would be really funny if I was like, no, no,
all the houses around me are empty, but none of
them for sale. All of them, every single one. The
Occult museum houses items that were investigated by the Warrens
during their paranormal investigations. Items in the museum include a
shadow doll, a toy dinosaur from the Devil Made Me

(18:45):
Do It case, and of course the famous Annabelle doll.
Yeah I could get a toy dinosaur way cheaper just
saying yeah. After purchasing the house, the new owners have
opened it up for private overnight stays, which include access
to the museum. One of the reasons they're doing that,
I'd almost guarantee it is the museum got shut down

(19:06):
for zoning violations a while back, because you know, people
are parking all over the street, you know, Like, I
don't like zoning at all, But I will say I
understand some of the argument, like my township has because
their attitude is like, you can have a small business
in your house, but not if it's client driven, Like

(19:28):
you can't run a hair salon out of your house.
And their idea, I guess is that cars will take
up all the spots on the side of the road
and make it unpleasant. Yea, So I mean, of course,
my next response is like, well, you know, not if
we hide. But I don't have a business that has
a lot of clientele, so.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
That you can hide.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
You know what, all my clients are the ghosts around me. Yeah,
haunt the houses.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, so you don't even have to try to hide them.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
No, no, no, I have a license ghost to talk to.
Overnight stays that the property are currently sold out through
May tenth. Wow, that's man. There goes my plan for
us for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
We can see can do it for I don't know, the.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Fourth of July?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah. But those interested in staying Overnight may sign up
on the house's website to be notified of cancelations or
more available dates. In addition to offering Overnight's stays, Casti
and Rife are inviting people to send in items they
may believe are haunted. Quote. Whether you want to give
your item a new home or need to get rid
of it, we will accept it, reads a note on

(20:40):
the website. Those who submit an item are asked to
include a hand written or printed note what other kind
is there? Detailing the story of the item. The website
further notes that all items quote will be opened and
investigated on camera for a new series for from Casti's

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Overnight YouTube channel, which currently boasts more than one point
nine million subscribers. Wow, we should send it an episode
of the podcast and be like this is definitely haunted.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Haunted, yeah out loud on your show. Yeah yeah, there you.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Go, fabulously wealthy. We're going to take a quick break
and we'll find out a little bit more about this
scheme right after this. I say that with love, and

(21:41):
we're back talking about the new owners of Ed and
Lorraine Warren's home and museum. The website did not note
who would be determining if the items are haunted or
where the items would be stored. Ownership did not respond
to requests for And this is from Connecticut Insider dot com.

(22:02):
So if you don't respond to Connecticut Insider dot com,
who do you respond to? Really hateful, hateful quote whether
you want to give your new item? Oh wait, I
reread the part. Sorry, The items in the museum still
belong to Tony and Judy Spara, who are the Warren's son
in law and daughter, respectively. The Sparas are the co

(22:23):
directors of the New England Society for Psychic Research or NESPER,
a paranormal investigative organization founded by the Warrens in nineteen
fifty two. Wow, that's how early they were in this
whole paranormal thing. Though. No matter what you think of
the Warrens, and I definitely have mixed to negative opinions

(22:43):
about them personally, they laid the groundwork for an immense
amount of what the modern paranormal movements are. Yeah, they
came about like right when spiritualism ended in America. Are
you familiar with the spiritualist movement?

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
It was just the time of seances and aura readings
being mainstreamed, like you know, rich people would go to
seances and stuff. Yeah, the spiritualism it started I think
in the late eighteen hundreds and it went into the
early ninety nineteen hundreds, and it was it was very
uh popular for a while there. But obviously it also

(23:25):
got a lot of backlash from religious people because it
was literally occultism and stuff like that, and it was
mostly run by shysters. But that's why a lot of
the old Halloween traditions we've looked at in America they're
very they're very like occulty because they're kind of on
the tail end of the spiritualist movement anyway, So the
warrants came about like right when the spiritualist movement ended,

(23:46):
and not only did they start doing all this paranormal stuff,
but it was all with a Catholic bent, which is
very interesting, even though like Ed was not a priest
and Lorraine was a clay claravoyant, but you know, Ed would.
The idea was they would hear about a ghost and
they would go there and she would you know, listen

(24:07):
for the ghost's voice or whatever, and Ed would read
Bible versus stuff like that. And they claimed that whenever
they went to a haunting to check it out, the
main thing they were trying to denote was whether this
was a haunting or a demonic possession. That was like
what they were always saying was that, like, is this
the ghost of somebody who died hanging around or is

(24:29):
this like an evil entity that's really here to hurt people?
That was like kind of their gig. Yeah, And of course,
if you watch the Conjuring movies, you've seen a much
more attractive and exciting version of them, because that is
most certainly true. And I'll be speaking about that later
because I did see the last Conjuring movie came out.

(24:49):
The final Conjuring movie came out this month and I
watched it in the theater. Yay, But we'll be talking
about that at the end of the show. Yeah. In
a statement to Today, Barra said that they quote have
no plans to ever sell the artifacts and are leasing
the items to RIF and CASSIY in a five year agreement. Okay,

(25:10):
so they bought the house and the and the space
and then the goods in it. It's like, you know,
it's like buying a house with the furniture already in it.
You know, we lease in the furniture.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's weird to lease it though, because like it wouldn't
be like, hey, I'm moving, You're gonna have my furniture,
but you gotta pay me for it every month. But
that'd be weird.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
It's smart smart. Well, it's extra smart because if they
end up having a boatload of success with the YouTube channel,
with the people coming to stay there, then after five
years they'll get so much more if they offered either
lease it again or sell it out right. Finally, they
could easily triple or quadruple the valuation of what they

(25:51):
might have been willing to pay if the proof of
concept comes through. Yeah. True, that's smart business, but also
it's unspeakable evil that, unleashed upon man, would end all
life as we know. Da da da da da da.
So in a since expired Instagram, oh my god, this
is the news now. In a since expired Instagram story
posted last week, Casti said that he was planning on

(26:14):
announcing that he Rife and YouTuber Exploring with Josh Odd
name must be Polish would be partners in a bid
for the Conjuring House in Rhode Island. A Halloween auction
for the house was canceled last week before Casty could
make that announcement, after the underlying mortgage loan for the
house had been sold. Oh hmmm, the identity of the

(26:36):
purchaser of the loan has not been revealed. Oh I
hope it's not a spook Key bank, America's most haunted
bank purchased that mortgage.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
So yeah, that's I mean, that's really it's it's fascinating
to me that Ed and Lorraine Warren's their memory really
is still rocking and a roll in. And it is
also funny because like if you look at some of
the items, they really are like worthless things. Like it's
like there's a care bear, just old, all old stuffed animals. Yeah,

(27:11):
none of it looks particularly shocking.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well, they look old and old and scary.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Hey, is that why people are scared of me?

Speaker 2 (27:22):
No, because you're not that old.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Oh you're so nice. People don't like nice Michelle. They
want angry Michelle. We've gotten people writing in about how
much they like spicy Michelle.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
So what I'm not. I'm just trying to talk and
that's what it sounds like. I don't know, I'm.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Just trying to talk and it comes off angry. It's
the bronx in me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Actually, it is definitely is, because I've had people in
the past be like, wow, you're really angry, and I'm like, no,
just talk talking like I'm not angry at all.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Oh really that might be because of your scowl. Yeah,
that's the one you No, no, go on.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Please know what I have in the past. That's it.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
I was going to say. Back when I lived in Jersey,
there were multiple times when I'd be traveling or whatever
and people and I would they be like where do
you live And I'd say New Jersey, But yeah, You've
got like that kind of that East Coast aggression, and
I was like, I'm from Ohio. Like, I'm not from Jersey,
and at that point I lived in Jersey for like
eight months. I wasn't even like formatively there yet.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
You know, No, it changed you.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Honestly, Jersey does change you, though. Yeah, but we're going
to take a quick break so that I can bathe
off the New Jersey and also we can take a
look at a story we talked about earlier this year
or last year involving a strange hole in Chicago right
after this. All right, my spookies, we're back. We're back, baby. Ah.

(29:11):
I don't know, Sorry, I have been. I've been working.
I am an odd ball, you know, when it comes
to schedule and work. I made it ten not even
ten days in October before I started just getting up
every day eight in the morning and going to bed
kind of normal and getting up every day eight in
the morning because the workload load was just so intense.

(29:34):
I was like, I can't get away with going to
bed at two and waking up at ten, yeah or eleven.
I can't get away with it anymore. Yeah, there's just
too much to do. And I kind of like it.
I'm not gonna lie, but it is. It is weird.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, it's a little weird that you get up so
late at eight o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Well, that's because I can't. I can't. I can't go
to bed earlier and have like a successful sleep. If
I don't see midnight, it's weird to me. It feels weird.
I I always see midnight. So if I go to
bed between one twelve and one, generally getting up at eight,
I feel great. So, you know, but that was extra

(30:16):
hard because I was sick at the beginning of September,
and that threw me off because you know, most of
the time I was trying to sleep in more, you know,
to catch up on like to rest up and heal up.
So now I'm kind of back in my groove of
like if I sleep for six hours, I feel pretty
pretty solid good. So that's just always been me. I
don't know what what's your what's your sleep number?

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Like eight, you're.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
An eight eight person? Yeah, a lot of people are
eight persons. That's why it's it's generally the it's considered
the rule. But then when you talk to a sleep expert,
they say six to nine hours is the average amount
of sleep people need. Yeah, yeah, so, but I've always
been over on the side of like the six I
just always have been for as long as I can remember.
But every now and then you do need to just

(30:59):
you know, get.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
More because you're not getting enough well.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Or you over exert yourself, or you stay up really
late one night and you get even less sleep, you know,
which does happen, but you know it's a balancing act anyway,
how rude? Okay, So I mentioned I teased before the
break that this story reference is a story we covered

(31:25):
a while back because in Chicago there was a strange
hole people were talking about. This is an update from
Huffington Post dot com. The headline is Researchers discover shocking
truth about Chicago's rat hole. Yeah you remember the rat hole.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Of course, I remember the rat hole.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Geese. It's a hole that really looks like a rat.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Because a rat probably died in it, and then it
went away and then there was just a hole.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I guess we're gonna find out really well. It says
that they discover shocking truth, and headlines never lie in media.
So the article starts, oh god. The article starts with
ah rats, Oh good job, guys, good job. Researchers think
they have debunked the origin of Chicago's so called rat hole,

(32:15):
one of the Windy City's weirdest local landmarks. Pine hold
On the rat Hole wasn't what you think. It wasn't
some back alley bar that served as a speakeasy for
the city's notorious gangster clientele, or a tenement stuffed to
the brim with junk. It was actually a full body
impression of an unlucky critter that got wrapped in wet

(32:37):
sidewalk cement in the city's Roscoe Village neighborhood about twenty
or thirty years ago. The imprint closely resembles that of
a spread eagle rat, complete with the outlines of what
appeared to be tiny claws, arms, and legs, as well
as a tail.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I'm wondering if they're going to say that it's not
a rat, it's a squirrel, because I go I'd buy that.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
I don't know though, because the tail is really skinny.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, but maybe the tail was just really skinny or
the impression because the tail of squirrels a lot of fluff,
So it didn't that's true. Yeah, let's find out.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
The rat hole went viral early last year after comedian
Winslow Domain posted a photo of it on x. The
post drew curious tourists to the site at all hours,
with some leaving coins and other odd objects around the
impression as tribute. It's funny, they say that, because that's
what you would do when you visit corpses like I
was talking about in the nine eighteen hundreds. You would

(33:32):
like put coins on them or in their mouths. That
was a big one. Yeah, put things in their mouths
ew wiw, that's really gross. Yes. The constant traffic drew
complaints from neighbors, though, and in April of twenty twenty four,
someone filed the filled the impression with a substance resembling plaster.
City workers eventually removed that slab of sidewalk and took

(33:54):
it to the City Hall County Building. A plaque honoring
the rat hole remains at the eyetal site. Researchers hailing
from the University of Tennessee, New York Institute of Technology,
College of Osteopathic Medicine, and the University of Calgary published
a paper Wednesday in the journal Biology Letter in the
journal Biology Letters that concludes the rat hole was most

(34:18):
likely not created, not by the titular rodent but a
squirrel or muskrat.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yay, sorry, gigs.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Did you already hear about this? Oh?

Speaker 2 (34:30):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I just figured yeah, because there's a lot more squirrels.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, and I think that rats are gonna be less
likely to just be out when all that stuff's happening
than a star Chicago in the middle of the day
when they're paving things.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
That's a fair point. Plus, you know, we already heard
about how dangerous squirrels can be out in San Francisco
area fighting people.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
The researchers studied online photos of the rat hole. They
didn't even go to it. Really, this is science now.
The researchers studied online photos of the rat hole and
compared measurements of the imprint to the museum specimens of
animals commonly found in the Chicago area. The presence of arms, legs,
and a tail excluded birds, snakes, frogs, and turtles. Wow. Wow,

(35:18):
Yeah they are scientists.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Shrinking the possibilities to a mammal the claw outlines further
reduced the field to rats, mice, squirrels, chipmunks, and muskrats.
The study said, have you ever seen a muskrat in person?

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Oh my god, they're so cute. Had I couldn't. My
brain was like, what do they look like? Yeah, they're
very cute. Can you mentally recall what a muskrat looks
like or not? No, do you want to see a muskrat? Sure,
you want me to show you a muskrat. This is
the kind of hard hitting radio journalism you get here.
Look how cute they're so chunky.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
I don't think that the muskrat is just walking around
on the streets of Chicago.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
That I don't know. I don't know how common muskrats are.
But if you look at the picture of the rat hole,
which of course they don't include a good one, Yeah,
in a musk wait rat hole Chicago. I'm so good
at googling. There he is you see? Oh is it
cut off?

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yes, here we go. So that's the rat hole.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I don't think it looks like a musk rat.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
It looks more like a squirrel. The tail is the
only thing though that makes me think it could be
you could, but you could be right about it being
the squirrell's tail, you know, the fur off of it
or something. Yeah, but I also just don't know, like
how common muskrats are in Chicago, Like, I don't know.
For all I know they're like, oh man, we're maggoty

(36:55):
with them. Muskrats are common in the Chicago area, particularly
in the Caago River system. That makes sense the Chicago
River would house something like a muskrat, although they are
rarely seen in the downtown area. See but the river
is near downtown.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
But that does mean they're wandering the streets.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Like some kind of vagrant. Yeah, well, we'll look into
their research a little bit more right after this. All right,
let's get to the let's get to the core of
this shell. Okay, inquiring minds want to know it's too important. Yeah, shell. Yeah,

(37:48):
the creature's long forelimbs, third digits, and hind paws were
too large for a rat, but fell into the measurement
ranges for eastern gray squirrels, fox squirrels, and muskrats. The
most probable suspect is the eastern gray squirrel, given how
abundant that creature is in the Chicago area.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
The study concluded, Yeah, I doubt they would say, like
a fox squirrel.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I don't even know what that is.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
I thought I did, but I'm not sure now. I
think I'm thinking of a red squirrel.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Oh oh they are red. Oh they have like the
they're underside is like is like rust colored, and the
underside of their tail is as well. Okay, here i'll
show you.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, they're really cute.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
They're well, yeah, squirrels are fine.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
They're really cute.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
They're not nice. Squirrels are not nice, but they're cute
and they're not your friend.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
They could be your friend if you feed them.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Mm. I don't think that's how it works. I think
it gets worse from there. Other researchers have theorized that
a squirrel created the print, and the study acknowledged that
cement is typically wet during the day and rats are nocturnal,
and the creature didn't leave any tracks, suggesting a squirrel
misjudged a leap or slipped from a branch and landed

(39:13):
in the wet cement and.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Then got up probably and was fine.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, they do like fall in dart like right away,
so I could see that right now. The squirrels aren't
fucking with my jack a lantern. So we're cool. Good good,
But I haven't checked today. Maybe I'm maybe I should
go out there right now. Yeah, it's cold out here today.
I don't know what it's over there. It was like
sixty it was Are you serious? It was thirty four

(39:39):
degrees this morning?

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Oh, it was like forty one here, so yeah, it's
a bit warm four wow.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Ok oh, it's actually okay, it's I never leave the
house like. It's actually fifty seven degrees.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Here now, okay, so it's cos.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, well but it was. Yeah, it was thirty five
degrees at eight am. It's very chilly. Yeah, and that's
why I didn't mow the lawn. And that's my story
and I'm sticking to it. Nobody can come at me
on that.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, I believe you. Oh it's fifty seven here.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Too, oh high five. Hey, he won't even reach, she
won't even try. The imprint didn't show any sign of
a bushy tail, but hair often lacks the rigidity to
create deep, well defined impressions, and it would have been
surprising to find such an imprint. The study said. Yeah,

(40:34):
it must be nice to be vindicated, huh sometimes quote.
We therefore proposed that the specimen be re christened the
Windy City Sidewalk squirrel. See this is why no one
respects science. Yeah, because rat hole sounds awesome. Yeah, sidewalk squirrel.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Now also, now we probably know I would assume this
s world didn't die in the hole. Yeah, so because
it just fell so like, it's not even that cool.
It's like it's like if I put my my footprint
on what cement, it's pretty cool, but it's not that cool.
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
I agree, it's pretty cool, it's just not that cool.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah, exactly, a.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Name more fitting of its likely origins and more aligned
with the evidence at hand. They wrote, again, this is
why no one trusts scientists anymore. It's because they make
suggestions like that. Gosh. Next they'll tell you why high
speed rail is what you should want, bastards. We have
another story that I'm sure you'll remember us talking about

(41:43):
this person before. Yeah, and it's from our og source, Yeah,
Mirror dot co dot UK. Baby.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
The headline is I talk to ghosts and one haunts
me at the suit supermarket, fruits and veg flies everywhere.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Now, the reason you're going to remember this is because
we talked about this woman before. An Oxfordshire singer who
once claimed to be married to a ghost has now Yeah.
Yeah remember her pees Okay, yeah, yeah, has now turned
into a paranormal investigator, communicating with spirits in the most

(42:29):
unexp unexpected, unexpected places, including supermarkets. Brocardi, known for her
romantic entanglement with Eduardo, the apparition of a Victorian soldier
who appeared in her home ended their spectral marriage through
an exorcism last year. I remember so vividly when we

(42:50):
talked about this.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, no, it's not acceptable.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
No to exercise somebody.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah no, what you you want to be married to them,
so you exercise them. You could just tell them that
we're getting a divorce. It's not like you're really married anyway.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
But there is the questionable element of like he was
living in her home even before she knew him. Well, yeah,
living existing.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Sometimes sometimes you just have roommates.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
That you don't that you don't know about her choose.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Well, I mean there are plenty of places where you
don't choose your roommates. So I think it's just the
same situation.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Okay, we don't.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Exercise people just because we're not in love with them anymore.
It's not okay.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
I like that you This is a real like stance
you have. It is I respect that I respect that
you have like a very strong moral opinion about exercising
ghosts that you're married to.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Or really any ghosts do you do? I'm nod into that.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Now, what if they're evil?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
I don't think ghosts to evil.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
So you don't think evil people can become ghosts?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
No, I just don't think that people are evil. I
think people are just kind of bad. So I think
there are probably some really annoying, pissed off, angry ghosts
that I wouldn't want to be around. But I don't
think they're evil.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
But is there a line, like would there be a
line a ghost could cross where you be like this
needs an exorcism?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I guess if it started murdering people, what.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
If it just started threatening like really really threatening.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
People, how do we know? Like where does speech end?

Speaker 1 (44:28):
And Well, the argument you're making that I appreciate very
much about free speech is in free speech you're able
to get away from the speech you don't like. M
If it's a ghost that just can manifest into your home,
that is tricky. Okay, here's no no, you know what? Okay, Fine,

(44:51):
let's go this direction. Property rights? How can we enforce
property rights? That's the problem here?

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Well, instead of exercise him can we just say, like,
can we just do like eviction, Like I just say, like,
you can't live here anymore.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
But what if they don't respect the eviction they just
keep coming back? Then exorcism time.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
I guess then you call the cops and have them
forcibly removed.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
I don't think they can do that because ghost I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Think they try. Do they do? Do you know cops
come and try? Because I think that's the next step.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Well, we're going to take a break and I'll ask
Jeeves if if that's ever happened, and we'll talk a
little bit more about this h singer songwriter from the
UK and her relationship with ghosts right after. Okay, so

(45:55):
Chille and I will have to agree to disagree on
the never an exorcism mentality, Yeah, but I will say
I mean, if there's a way to get a ghost
to comply with property rights and such without an exorcism,
I support that.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Good because I just don't think people really try that hard.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
No, I agree. I think this woman went to exorcism immediately.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Because she just yeah, exactly just like that.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
And for the clout, yeah yeah, yeah, although she's not
a cloud chaser at all. Here we go. Despite their split,
her and Eduardo the Ghost, the forty two year old
singer songwriter who boasts one hundred and ninety three thousand
followers on Instagram, continues to encounter the spirit world. She's
now a paranormal investigator shocking right, yeah, and claims to

(46:47):
have communicated with over one hundred spirits, spirits, some of
whom are as quote annoying as they probably were when alive.
She sounds like a delightful person.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally want to talk to her
if I was a spirit.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Or even just a human, if I was just alive,
I'd want to talk. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. She seems
like she'd be fun at parties.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Her spectral encounters include a drunk miner who met his
end on duty and quote idiot ghosts attempting to intimidate
the living.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Oh fuck her. I hate her.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
She has a real like uh like a real superiority
complex thing. Ghost. Yeah, what is this? What is this?
She looks like you would expect. She's like, you know,
just all gothed out. Yeah wow yeah, yeah, I I'm
glad she has no friends. No, she has friends, no,

(47:49):
not when you talk to ghosts like.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
That, oh, well, she doesn't have ghost friends anymore.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Quote. I try to keep my communications with ghosts a
little relaxed. Sometimes a spirit is wrapped up in their
own pain and thoughts and just wants to voice their
sorrow or be noticed. She shared with what's the jam? Yeah,
and then you hear their sorrow and go, wow, you're
an idiot exactly.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
You tell other people about it.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
She's like the worst therapist ever, Like, these are my problems. Wow,
they're dumb. You're not very smart. It's like, thanks, therapist,
not very helpful. No. She explained that modern buildings often
stand on ancient burial sites or houses where someone has
passed away.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
That's usually true.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
I suppose when these structures are demolished and new ones erected,
the spirits don't forget. What if they're idiots.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Though, Uh, I don't know. Maybe then they do forget,
so we don't have to worry about those.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Oh thank goodness. She even had a ghostly follower in
a supermarket once, causing fruits and vegetab to roll off
the shelves, leaving shoppers baffled.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
No, they were annoyed with her. And that's a really
convenient way to get around, being like, I'm really sorry
I dropped all those grapes.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Excuse me? Miss? Is this your idiot ghost knocking things around?
It's their quote, it's their emotion that I pick up
on first. I've heard spirits crying out in pain for
loved ones, she said. Is she gonna call him an idiot? Though?

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
But I've also encountered ghosts who are completely devoid of emotion,
like a miner who had nothing to say apart from
asking me for a drink. His voice was slurred and
he was swaying while sitting at a bar in his
dusty boots and soiled clothes. How are is clothes soiled
if he's not even real? Like drink? Yeah, that's a

(49:52):
fair point too.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Also, like him being drunk and asking for a drink
does not mean he doesn't have any emotions. I don't
think people drink a lot because they're like, I have
no emotions.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I mean, I've never drank. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I didn't tell us, Yes, Weekly Spooky at gmail dot com,
tell us why you drink? Eight hundred word limit? She added,
quote the miner informed me that he died on the
job and didn't spend enough time drinking and enjoying life.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Oh so he he regrets things, that's that's something.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah. Quote he grunted every time the doors swung open.
It felt like he resented the living. He probably just
didn't like you. You're not a very good example.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Yeah, Or maybe he didn't like the sound the door made.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Who knows, Yes, some doors make weird sounds. Yeah, maybe
a little oil on that thing.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Is exactly exactly. Maybe it was really squeaky, and he
was like, Ah, somebody fucking do something about that already.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Come on, put a little of that rustle not rustolium,
that stuff on it.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Wy, you shouldn't put that on door.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
That's why I didn't want to say it. Yeah, because
I use what's it called, like the silicone spray. That
stuff's good and it stays for a really long time.
There was that day I got crazy and I bought
a can of it and I just oiled every hinge
in the house. I remember, everything sounds so much better.
My front door, Like you don't even hear it open anymore,

(51:27):
Like it makes no sound, that just glides. Wow, it's beautiful.
Riccardi said that in a certain way, ghosts are quote
exactly like living humans. Did you why do you need
to preface living? Okay? Uh? She added, each one has
a different story and personality and a unique way of communicating.

(51:48):
Some ghosts are idiots and want to cause trouble, just
like some living people do.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
She's just jerk.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Oh, it gets better. If someone is brash and annoying
in life, they are often brash annoying in death. Well,
I know whose ghost I'm gonna avoid when she dies?
Mm hmmm, hey, I mean Riccardi also once had a powerful,
yet fleeting encounter with a young girl at an old saloon,
as well as a monk from the twelve hundreds. But

(52:16):
were they idiots? The singer said, quote she must have
been about seven and was wearing a dirty white dress.
Why is everybody dirty?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Because that's how they were when they died.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Okay, okay. The child led me to a doll that
was sitting in a rocking chair. I tried to connect
with this young girl and found out more using my
spirit rods, but she told me that she was tired
and too poorly to play. Too poorly. That must be
a British thing too. Poorly to play. Her eyes were
almost hollow. Like I love that this I don't know.

(52:51):
I love that this article is full of just like
selfies she took of herself from Instagram, like every like
six or six sentences. It's just like a big sure
of her, like twisting her head a weird way.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah you know, Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Let's see. I've also encountered Oh sorry, uh, she continued.
It troubled me to feel that this child's ghost was
still suffering even in death. I also encountered the apparition
of a frail man who was wasting away before my eyes.
He was chanting in what I believe to be Latin,
but his chants were like cries. The monk was begging

(53:27):
for food and told me that he died of starvation
due to malnutrition. What kind of what do you? How
do you talk like that? I don't know he died
of starvation due to malnutrition.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I don't know. Maybe, okay, so let's let's be fair.
Maybe the monk just doesn't know what those two things
are and he got confused.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
That could be yeah, Brocardi doesn't just sense emotion or
hear voices. She claims to also be able to smell
ghosts in her presence. All right, wow, this is gonna
be mean. I just have a feeling, she said. Quote.
Often a ghost will trigger your senses. When I saw
an apparition of Marie Antoinette at Versailles, it wasn't just

(54:12):
a visual. She had quite a unique scent of menthol,
peppermint and almost herbal smell.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
I always wonder what Marie Antoinette smelled like.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
You know, we should look into it and see if
she's right, because maybe someone would tell us.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Weekly Spooky at gmail dot com. Tell us what you
believe Marie Antoinette smelled like eight hundred word limit. We're
gonna take a quick break and we'll find out what
other ghosts smell like right after this. So let's dig

(54:51):
a little deeper into this. Lady's Regina george like ghost relationships.
M do you know who Regina Georgie's No, she's the
main mean girl and mean girls. Oh you can't sit
with us that person.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yeah, sorry god.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Quote. Sometimes seeing a ghost is subtle, peaceful, and they
just pass through. On occasions, they want to take hold
of you and make an impact.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Like physical impact, like slap.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Intense headaches, pains in the chest, and extreme nausea can
all be symptoms of paranormal activity.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
That's what's going on on this.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
You have a ghost, oh man, or it's your printer again.
Either way, oh. Bricardi also visits haunted houses, but she
says she finds them fascinating rather than scary. That's how
my buddy Dave talks about haunta. He's like, these are
just like interesting to look at. I'm not scared or anything,
just cool look at and he runs through the whole

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thing as fast. Again, that's a true story, she said. Quote.
Sometimes I still get unsettled, but I view the ability
to see the dead, to see dead people, as a gift.
I travel the world exploring haunted places, and no two
locations are the same. Isn't that true of all things?
No two places are the same.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
It should it should be at least.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
People often assume that spirits are whole, But some of
the ones I've seen are dismembered and disfigured.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
People assume spirits are whole.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
I don't know, I don't I'm completely confused by that. Yeah,
I've seen a floating severed head before, and a cat
with no tail.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Oh no, that's a tail. Maybe it didn't have a
tail in life.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
So now we're animals have apparitions too.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Are you saying you didn't know that animals had apparitions.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
I was not under I was under the impression that
they did.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Not really, huh, I don't I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
I was under the impression that if you saw like
an animal, like air quotes ghost, it was like like
it was not like the way a ghost is a person.
It was like more like a I don't know, like
aesthetic almost it was aesthetic. It was part of the
human ghosts.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Like, wow, that's really interesting. I've never heard that before.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yeah, that's that's my understanding. Like if you were in
a house and like a dog came at you would
because the guy who died there that dog was his
dog or something. Although I did see Good Boy, which
involves dog ghost.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
So yeah, I don't know. I mean I've heard I've
heard of like, you know, like cat ghosts and stuff
like that, So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
I just feel like if we're going into that, then
we're gonna just be maggoty with ghosts just everything.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
That's what she's saying.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Ah, that would be good for her pocketbook. Oh the
cat let out a shrill me out like it was
in pain. Let's just do that. Yeah, in the desert,
I even encountered something that didn't look human. H Does
she mean like it looks like an alien?

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Or or was it so disfigured that it didn't look human?
And that's really really mean to say.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I wish she was like some some ghosts aren't idiots,
they're just ugly. That would be really funny. What does
this one? It's the places that have multiple spirits with
different personalities that drain you, or when you have several
ghosts with malevolent personalities battling for your attention, that's when
you have to maintain control. In addition to her supernatural

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dispe air pursuits, Brocardi is also a talented musician, sharing
her work on her website. I'm not mentioning it because
if you really want it, you'll find it yourself. I
don't know. Should we should we listen to her music
and decide if it's idiot or just disfigured.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I feel like that's mean.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
I mean, I don't mind, that's why. That's why, Yeah,
she's mean to these poor ghosts.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Like, I don't mind listening to her music, but I
don't want to be mean about it.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
She recently dropped a new track titled feed My Soul
featuring Ray Lucier.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
From Corn Oh really yeah, whoa.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I'll never do that again on the show. Okay, So
that's that's that. Yeah, that lady, her personality something to
be desired for those poor ghosts.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
But I'm glad that she got more promotion from Marinacoda
UK Like.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Yeah, me too. And I hope Eduardo's okay, since I
guess he was banished to the land of wind and
ghosts but he wasn't fun anymore.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
So yeah, so it's okay. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Here's the story on a lighter note. CBS twelve dot
com reports human remains discovered at lake Worth construction site
hm Lakeworth, Florida. Human bones were dug up at a
construction site on Monday. While construction crews were digging at
the site, located on Davis Road, they found the bones.

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A spokesperson from the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office says
the construction crews alerted deputies, who then contacted the medical examiner.
A PbSO spokesperson said the bones on the property appeared
to be a femur and pelvic bone. The examiner later
confirmed the bones were human. Well, because you're having a

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rough week, a lot of these stories are at least
somewhat related to real estate. Yay. A team from Florida
Gulf Coast University responded to the scene and discovered additional bones,
prompting a halt in construction as an investigation gets under way.
Jacqueline Milby, who lives on Davis Road, took cell phone
video after noticing several Palm Beach County Sheriff's cruisers lining

(01:00:58):
the streets and a research team huddled around a table
at the site. Quote. I've seen a lot of documentaries
and they're definitely looking at something on a big table
and brushing thigs Off said. I love the local news.
Don't ever change local news. Milby's ten year old son, Carter,
also thought it was unusual. Quote, my mom was freaking

(01:01:19):
out because she was like, look, look over there, and
I saw cops surrounding this hole looking into it, he said.
Eleana Aguier agera eight, and her mom, Angela Bryant, lived
just a few doors down from the construction site. They
walked over to see what was going on. Quote, I've
never heard someone find bones like in real life, Ageta said,

(01:01:41):
it's kind of interesting. At least it's an eight year
old girl. I mean, like, so I get that. Yeah,
the construction site is believed to have been a location
frequented by unhoused individuals. Oh, that's the that's the term
we're using now. Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Yep, that's the term we're using now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I'm not trying to be edgy, but I think we
need to go back to vagrant. I think vagrant is solid.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
I think people don't like vagrant because the V and
the G make it sound mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
It does sound mean, yeah, but I don't think it's
a post to sound nice either.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Well, it's not a good thing to be a vagrant,
that's for sure. So yeah, at this time, it's unclear
if the bones belong to one person or multiple, or
how long they may have been there. At this point,
investigators say there are no signs of foul play. Quote.
I hope whoever it is, whomever the body parts are

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and bones, they get closure with their family, because that's
still sad. Bryant said all recovered skeletal remains will be
transported to Medical Examiner's office for further examination and identification,
which could take some time. Another forensic team is set
to come to the construction site on Wednesday to continue
sifting the property. PbSO deputies will be out there at

(01:02:59):
the scene through the night guarding the area. Mmm.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Gott to guard the bones.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Gotta bar it, gotta bart it, gotta guard it. H
I should You're right, I should sleep more.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Uh. And there's only one comment on it, and it's
like clinically insane person. So okay, Well, we're gonna take
a quick break and when we get back, we're going
to talk about another skeleton being found, possibly the most
adorable skeleton you've ever seen? What right after this? All right,

(01:03:41):
my spookies. I know Chell was rather perplexed by my
teas before the break. Yeah about this adorable skeleton? Yeah,
so have I piqued your curiosity? Well? Yeah, okay. So
this is from Live science dot com and the headline

(01:04:03):
is miniature skeleton a ghostly two thousand year old party
favor from a Roman banquet. Oh look at him, he's adorable.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
He's really okay looking.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
This small bronze skeleton is one of only a dozen
known examples of ancient Roman larva convivales. A banquet ghost
figurine given out as a party favor two thousand years ago. Wow,
must have been a big party if it's bronze party favors, right,
really bronze. I mean, like, I don't know how much

(01:04:46):
bronze is worth, but I know metalworking.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Is hard, Yeah, exactly so.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
But look at him. He's pretty cool. He's got like
really big teeth and eyes. He's missing most of his limbs,
but you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Know that's nobody's hard to make those.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
It would be hard and for them to survive two
thousand years. Let's see. The skeleton originally had jointed arms
and legs, but only a portion of its left leg
remains today. Its skull features large, round eye sockets and
a toothy grin. The bronze figurine measures roughly two point
six inches or six point six centimeters in height and

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is in the collection of Getty Via in Los Angeles, California.
According to a nineteen eighty study by then Getty curator
Faja Kousi Frell, the skeleton was a kind of memento moriri,
a symbol of the brevity of life and the inevitability
of death.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
I mean even that. Or someone was like, you should
see I made these really cool little skeletons. It was
so hard, I'm giving out people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
The spooky skeletons were probably handed out at dinner parties
in a nod to Epicureanism, the philosophical system that considered
the considered that because death is human's main fear, we
should take pleasure in what life has to offer. I
feel like you're opposed.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
You're like, no, I mean yeah, I don't think we
should take pleasure in anything. Just be worried about stuff,
because that's what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, according to you. Yeah, it's fair, fair point.
Banqueting and death were often linked in Roman art and literature,
According to the Getty. In the novel The Satyr Khan,
written in the late first century AD by Petronius, a man,

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a Petronius, that's his whole name, okay, fine, a man
named Trimalchio was hosting a dinner party. The narrator tells
of a quote slave of quote, a slave bringing in
a silver skeleton so contrived that the joints and movable
vertebrae could be turned in any direction. I threw it

(01:07:03):
down upon the table a time or two, and its
mobile articulation caused it to assume grotesque attitude.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
People are so weird, so their.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Game was like dropping it on the tip of whoa
who like that? Whoa. I'm glad we've come so much
further haha swiping through cat videos. Yeah, tremulcio. The host
then exclaims that quote, this skeleton before us here is

(01:07:35):
as important as we ever were. Let's live then while
we may, and life is dear. All right, you're completely
unmoved by this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
I'm sorry. It's not not like it's a real skeleton.
It's just some pieces of metal. It's not it's not
as important as we ever were. Or I'm not sure
if that means that we're really important or it means
that we're not really important.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Hmmm, yeah, I'll give you that one. I don't know. Yeah,
the getdy example of the banquent ghost lacks scientific accuracy. Quote,
it was perhaps more important that the bony specters were
lively causey Frell wrote, Okay, yeah, well that's a spooky,
scary skeleton that sends shivers up your spine. Yeah. Wow,

(01:08:26):
it is wild to think it was probably made between
twenty five BC and one hundred AD. That's just nuts
to think about. Yeah, it's nuts to think about. If
you wanted to go back to two thousand and two,
that would be like Marty McFly going back to nineteen
fifty five and back to the future. Oh god, yeah. Yeah.
People get mad at me when I point stuff like
that out. I do it a lot. Oh yeah, yeah

(01:08:47):
yeah that one hurt yeah a little. Then yeah, yeah,
Rachel gets mad because I point that out a lot.
She'd be like, I did that back in high school, like,
oh yeah, thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Oh god.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
She's like thanks for that, and I'm like, no, I'm
always here to help. So, speaking of museums of value, cell,
first of all, you like museums, right, they're okay, you
go to a lot of museums. No, but you have
a lot of museums in and around Philly. But do
you have a hair museum?

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
I hope so well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
huffingtonPost dot COM's article says Missouri Hair Museum is closing.
No trest collection to be scattered around us, Like, no independence, Missouri,
that's what mo is. Yeah, Missouri, da century old wreaths
made from human hair fill the walls of Layla's hair Museum,

(01:09:44):
and glass cases overflow with necklaces and watch bands woven
from the locks of the dead. Oh oh, Now it
bothers you because they're dead.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
No, it bothers me because their hair is being used
to make things. I thought we could just see hair
and be excited about it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
That's what you're mad about. You were like, I just
wanted to look at the hair. Yeah, so commercial. It
used to be about the hair man exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
I don't need it made into things.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Kids these days need the hair woven into things. When
I was growing up, we were just happy to see hair.
Damn it. I you scare me sometimes, Cell. We'll learn
more about this hair museum and hopefully know more about
Chell's opinions on hair after this. So this hair museum, Yeah,

(01:10:47):
I don't know. I'm not that grossed out by human
hair in general. What about you?

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Oh, I'm not grossed out by hair. I just want
it displayed in its normal state.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
I ever tell you about my mom went to beauty school?
To ever tell you?

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Yeah, my mom went to a year of beauty school. Wow,
and that's when she learned that touching other people's hair
disgusts her.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Fuck yeah, yeah I could. I could. I could see that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Yeah, I love that because when she told me that,
I was like, well, I mean that would stop you
mm hmm. That's what I learned that exactly. That job
made me want to vomit the end. Uh. There are
also tresses purported to have come from past presidents Hollywood
legend Marilyn Monroe, okay, and even Jesus. Why that will

(01:11:39):
make you laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
I don't. I don't think they have Jesus' hair.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
I'm leaning toward now. Yeah, if you could see the
hair of any president, which would it be, I don't know.
I felt like you'd have this just ready, you'd be like, oh, obviously,
Calvin Coolidge. I thought you'd just be ready. No.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Sorry, I don't really think about president's hair very much.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Oh okay, I don't know what you do on the
weekends then, because that's my that's my move. So for
about thirty years, this hair art collection in the Kansas
City suburb of Independence attracted an eclectic group of gawkers
that included the likes of heavy metal legend Ozzy Osbourne.
He did have hair, he did have hair. Yeah, yeah,

(01:12:30):
and he passed away recently. I wonder if he did
donate any hair to there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I'm wondering where this where they're obtaining this hair.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
I assume someone just goes around and cuts it off
people when they're not looking.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
I mean, I would hope.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
But the museum's namesake, Layla cal Kohoun, died last November
at the age of ninety two. Oh wow, so hair
keeps you young. Now, her granddaughter, Lindsay Evans, is busy
rehoming the collection of more than three thousand pieces Wow

(01:13:10):
to museums across the country, including the Metropolitan Museum of
Art in New York and the National Museum of Women
in the Arts in Washington, DC. You're not that far
from either of those. I'm not, no quote. Every time
I come here, I feel her here, Evans said Monday,
while touring with representatives of the National Museum of Funeral

(01:13:32):
History in Houston, who left with around thirty pieces. Yeah,
this place is her. Oh sorry, what I.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Was just thinking when she said I feel her here
that it was a misquote.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Now I know why you were laughing. So I thought
you were just laughing at someone morning their loved one.
I was like, here comes spicy Michelle Boom, vicious, fatalent.
This place is her and so I feel like this
process of rehoming her collection has helped me grieve her

(01:14:09):
in a way that I didn't even realize I needed.
That's really sweet. Actually I could see that though. If
like you have a loved one's life's work and getting
to meet people from like all over the world that
want a little piece of it for their what they're doing,
it could really feel special. Yeah, so that's kind of awesome. Actually,

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it all started in nineteen fifty six when Kohoon, a hairdresser,
was shopping was shopping for Easter shoes. Where is this going?
Inside an antique store, she found a gold frame filled
with strands of hair twisted in the shape of flowers.

(01:14:56):
Quote she said, forget the Easter shoes. Evan said, my
granddad always said that this was the most expensive piece
of the museum because look at what it started. That's funny.
Evans is keeping that one for herself. That's really sweet. Actually, yeah,
I mean I find it. I find it like soft

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morbid human hair stuff. I find that soft morbid. It's morbid,
but it's not like I wouldn't be if somebody said
I have a collection of human hair, I would be
I would like a little more information, but I wouldn't
immediately just be like bye, yeah, like as opposed to if
they said, like, I collect like human bones, I would
be like, what the hell are you talking about? You know,

(01:15:39):
it'd be a lot more questions.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
With human hair, I'd be like, uh, how did you
get into that? And hopefully then it would I'd still
be a little weird. Okay, you know what, it's still weird, Yeah, weird.
This form of art peaked in popularity in the mid
eighteen hundreds, as women coiled the hair of the dead
into jewelry or told their family history by intertwining the

(01:16:04):
curls of blood loved ones into wreaths. I feel like
we've we've kind of switched that in our culture, Like
did you have a piece of hair in your baby book?
Or you're like stuff from when you're a baby.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Maybe I actually think I might have some of my
grandmother's hair.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Oh really?

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Yeah? Or someone does, because.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
I know that in my family, keeping a lock of
hair from when you were a child is normal.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Yeah I don't know. Yeah, well, and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
We have a lot of those things where like they've
become a little bit softer, a little bit less morbid
over time, probably coinciding with when we stopped doing funerals
in your literal house. Yeah, and changed the name to
the living room to be a real dick to the
dead people. The living room, it ain't the parlor no more. Yeah,

(01:17:04):
now I'm going to exercise you because we're getting divorced.
But hair art had fallen out of favor by the
nineteen forties as memories were Oh that makes sense, as
memories were captured in photos.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
I could see that hair photos.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
You could tape it right on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
You could make a frame with hair.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Oh, that's delightful, Evans said. Additionally, quote this artwork was
not celebrated because it was mostly done by women, and
so in larger museums they don't have a lot of this.
Her grandmother saved some from being trashed, wrote a book
and taught classes on the art form, training a new

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generation of artists. Oh. Often the hair art was housed
in elaborate frames with original glass. So when her grandmother
started haggling with antiques dealers for the frames, they frequently
offered to get rid of the hair. I could see that, yeah,
and she'd say, no, no, keep it in there, Evan said.

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Then her grandmother would often hand them her business card
and tell them to be on the lookout. Soon dealers
across the country were calling, quote if it had hair,
she got it, said Evans. I love the story, actually,
I really do. Who sometimes accompanied her grandmother as she
hunted for new additions. The collection grew to include a
wreath containing hair from every woman in the League of

(01:18:33):
Women Voters from Vermont. In eighteen sixty five, Wow, a
pair of crescent shaped wreaths contained the tresses of two
sisters whose heads were shaved when they entered a convent.
These are really interesting. Yeah, A couple of pieces even
feature taxidermy. Oh, I mean sure, I guess that checks out.

(01:18:57):
But we'll find out more about that when we get back.
What do you do with your hair, Michelle? When you
when you cut.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
It, I throw it away.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
You could do so much with it because you got
the dreads.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Actually, at one point when I cut my hair, because
I don't really cut it very often anymore, but at
one point I cut my hair and a bunch of
people wanted some of it, so I gave it to them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
Who are these people?

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
I don't know. I don't remember what anybody who said
they wanted it. I just gave it to them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
They just walked up. You had cast some of your hair. No, no, it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Was like through like Facebook and stuff, the Facebook marketplace.
You just want some of my hair? And that was
all I said, Just do.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
You want some of my hair? And then it just
says no, weirdos. Yeah, the frames filled. You know, I
can't believe. I just remembered this as we were talking.
When I did my second album, I gave people vials
of my hair if you bought the collector's pack.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Yeah, I think I kind of remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Yeah, so we both have hair out there doing stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Damn right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
I hope they just threw mine away because they got
grossed out by it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
I told people they had like a all they needed
was a piece of string and they had an instant
stalker kit. They could wear it around their neck like
a yeah yee. The frames filled the walls of her
home and the beauty school she ran with her husband.
She shoved them under beds and in closets. Eventually, the
couple snatched up this building, a former car dealership nestled

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between a fast food restaurant and a car wash. Celebrities
caught wind of the attraction. Oh I love this. Actress
and comedian Phyllis Diller donated a hair wreath that she
had had, that she had been or that had been
in her family for generations. Wow, that's so cool TV personality.
Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs filled an episode of Somebody's

(01:21:10):
Got to Do It at that store. There might also
be a few strands from Osborne inside. When he came
to visit, Kohoun snipped a lock, although Evans has yet
to find it. I hope he she didn't. I hope
he didn't even know. She just does that if you
catch her, like, oh she she does that like it's
there's a sign when you walk in it says that

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that can happen, and you're okay with it, said, yeah,
you signed the release, damn it. I love When I
went to the I'll talk about this more at the
when we're wrapping up the show. But I went to
the Big Haunt over the weekend and they have this
big sign before you know the Haunts that says like
by entering here, you uh, you know, give up this
and these rights to this and this and this. I'm like, yeah,

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that would never hold up in court for years. A
thing on the back wall when you're walking in no chance,
No chance, Evan said. Her grandmother was tight lipped on
what she spent over the years, but she anticipates the
worth of the art may top one million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
As Genevieve Kiny, the head of the National Museum of
Funeral History in Houston, waded through the collection, I hope
that's figurative and not like just like up to their knees.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Yeah, they're just hair everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
She eagerly eyed the jewelry that memorialized the dead, including
a small pin containing the locks of a seven year
old girl who died in eighteen eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Quote. I've always felt it was important to educate people
about death, said KINI also a licensed mortician. Quote. Our
society does such an injustice on getting people to understand
what the true emotions are going to feel like when
death happens. That's why you get the kid of goldfish.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Yeah. I mean, I don't think you can prepare somebody
for that. I don't think that there's a way, so
I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
I do think in a very broad way. Pets are
in a lot of ways, like training wheels for understanding
life and death. You know, you lose a cat when
you're twelve years old, and then you know a grandparent
when you're twenty. It just kind of you know, it's
not the same, but it's similar. Yeah, Evans herself is

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struggling with a mix of emotions as she slowly rehomes
her grandmother's legacy. Quote. I want people to see all
of this because that's what she wanted. But when this
is empty, it'll break my heart a little bit. That's
a wonderful note to end that story on Good job
Huffington Post. That was like the perfect balance of heartfelt
and creepy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
I really like that. So let's ruin the good vibes
by heading back to Mirror dot Code at UK yay.
The headline is I'm a funeral director and these are
the chilling experiences I've had to work. I've had at work.
What what?

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
I just don't believe it's scary to be a funeral director.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Well, the funny thing is I had to check. I
thought we'd read this before, but I was another like
morge worker that we read about. If there's any ex
profession you'd expect might have come across a ghostly encounter,
be a funeral director, right. That hasn't been strictly the case,
according to one man in the profession, however, Social media's
Yorkshire funeral director, Jacob Walsh, who's based in Ghoulie, East

(01:24:35):
Riding of Yorkshire, took to TikTok to open up on
his experiences with the paranormal in his workplace. Huh yeah,
news is TikTok. Yeah, ghosts Have I seen them? Have
I experienced them? He asked rhetorically in a video. I

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felt a presence usually in the mortuary, which is completely
understandable as it's where people in my care are resting.
I don't want my mortician to have that level of
like boobity boop, like just just like just rip up
the body and move on.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Okay, fine, fine, fine, I'll get you there. I'll get
you the right one then.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Jacob admitted that initially he put his chilling experiences down
to the fact he works late into the day, by
which point he's tired. More and more things happen, though,
prompting him to have a rethink.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
I almost feel like we read this before. It sounds
really late into the day.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but this one's shorter too, all right, whatever,
uh where is it? So? And now I was scanning
it because I was like, did we read this before?
Maybe we did. I try not to do that. It's hard.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
It's hard.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
It's the fortieth episode. Yeah, yeah, that Even when he's
doing personal care, such as sha deceased gentleman, he tells
them what he's doing out of respect. So if they're
watching over us, that's fine. We just don't know what's
in the afterlife and I'm not here to tell you
what I think there is. Or isn't it much shorter?
So maybe maybe it was like a I don't know,

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but I tried. I checked it and it wasn't the
same page. Hum, I'm a bad I'm a bad host.
That's what it came down to. Yeah, it was really short. Wow,
I skipped like two or three things, but like that
were really brief. But like, yeah, it was a lot
of pictures though, of a guy filming himself on TikTok ah.
I love the news. Well, we're gonna come back and

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do We'll do just a few more news stories. I
fear we go a little longer than normal, just because
it's the Halloween season. Yeah, but uh oh no, Shell's
like please, no.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
It's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
Oh god, it's even worse than I imagined by the way
you said that. Oh no, but when we get back,
you'll be happy to hear more human remains are being out.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
I know about human remains being found recently, but it's sad.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Yay, it's usually sad. I just thought I thought you'd
be excited.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
But I am excited.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Well, we'll get to that right after this. We're back
and we have a news story from Smithsonian magazine. Oh,
because we're fancy. I guess we're fancy. No, sorry. Pal

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Archaeologists in Albania unearthed tomb belonging to an upper class
Roman who died one thousand and seven hundred years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Wow, that's a while ago.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
I guess that's that's a while back. Yeah, when photos
were in black and white.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Yeah, silent TV.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Yeah, silent tell that's funny, silent TV. I like that.
Archaeologists have an earth a rare Roman mausoleum in the
northeastern part of Albania. They think it may have belonged
to an upper class individual named Galiano, who lived in
the ancient Roman province of iler Curium up to one

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hundred or one thousand, seven hundred years ago. Romans Roman
is weird, her names are weird.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
I don't think about Rome very much.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
That's because you're a girl. Men think about Rome all
the time. I know the thing, well, the Roman Empire,
they don't think about like Rome as it is today. Yeah,
that's for middle aged women to like imagine like if
I go there, I'll meet a guy, a swarthy guy.
I've heard that. I've heard that joke before that said,
remember middle aged women go to Italy for the same

(01:28:58):
reason middle aged men go to Thailand. Okay, yeah, yeah,
so judge. Accordingly, the site is the first Roman era
monumental tomb to be discovered in the country. No, that's
really interesting. According to a statement from Blendie Blendi, Gonsha Gounzja,

(01:29:21):
it's Gonsh, It's go n x Hja. Oh, I don't
know gonz Ha. Is that Chinese? I think that's Chinese, right,
Albania's Minister of Economy, Culture and Innovation. Researchers from Albania's
Institute of Archaeology began excavating it last month after inhabitants
of the nearby village of streikan Strichsan noticed an unusual

(01:29:45):
stone formation on a plateau dating to the third or
fourth century CE. The two measures nearly thirty feet long
and twenty feet wide.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Wow. I think that's bit, but I'm not sure because
I don't do it measurements really well.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
I think that's about like the size of your living
room and dining room combined.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Wow, that's relatively large, but not really.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
I mean by tomb standards, YE think that's pretty big. Okay,
like a ten by ten, Like by shed standards, that's
a decent size. Twenty foot by thirty foot would be
a gigantic. Should that be a garage?

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Yeah, that'd be nice.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
I'm sorry you don't have a garage.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Me too.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
We made it sad.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
It's made up of three components, a staircase, entrance, hall,
and a funerary chamber. The chamber held the remains of
two people, and its limestone wall features an inscription written
in Greek quote. The inscription tells us that the person
buried here was named Gelliano, a name typical of the
Roman period lead archaeologist Ericson Nicoli. Nikoli tells Reuters fatos

(01:30:58):
By Tucci and Floria on Goga quote, we are uncertain
about the identity of the second individual, but it is
likely a family member or a worker who fell inside
when they were closing it. No, uh, do you do
you find like when you were a kid, were you
fascinated by like Egypt or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
I don't know, not like particularly, but sure you're.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Like no, no, My people were like really adamant to
get out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Yeah. I don't really deal with that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
They're like audios And I think about Egypt every passover
at the end now and I said, no, uh ha
ha ha, yeah, that's good. Vaguely related. The edges of
the tomb's walls and roof are decorated with intricate carvings. Meanwhile,

(01:31:53):
a second inscription honors Jupiter, the Roman god of the sky.
According to the statement, this is the first dediction of
its kind to be discovered in the region. Other inscriptions
were found on loose stones around the site, though experts
say these may have come from another nearby monument. Oh,
when I was a kid, I thought the concept of

(01:32:14):
like the big, the big sarcophaguses and the giant tombs
in Egypt. I thought that was just like super fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
It is pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
This is wild because this is like not so monumental,
like it's not so gargantuan that it's like, oh, so
some people just like had money and were like, I
don't know what to do with it. I guess when
I die built a really huge thing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Yeah, I mean, but we still are. We we do
that with like mausoleums and stuff today sort of.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
Yeah, but like one person or two people doesn't get
twenty by thirty feet.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
I don't know. Some of them look pretty big.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
They're not small, but I'm just saying that's a little
on the big side.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
And then you can go down so when you combine
all the floors, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Know, but most mausoleums contained like multiple famili like a
ton of family. Hmmm. So but no, I give what
you're saying. Northern Albania was once part of the ancient
region of Illyria, which can include parts of present day Croatia,
Bosnia and Herzegovina, Herzegovina and Montenegro. I was waiting for

(01:33:25):
you to be like it's not Bosnia. Like you're like
on the other side of the conference, it's not Bosnia.
The Illyrians were an Indo European people who lived in
organized tribes and some of which united under various kingdoms.
Rome warred with the Ilkerian kingdoms throughout the third and
second centuries BCE, eventually conquering the entire Bulkan Peninsula. While

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the region was heavily influenced by Roman culture, the Illyrians
fought to conserve their language and traditions. During the recent
excavation of Giuliano's tomb, archaeologists found that the site had
been looted at least twice.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
I hate that when it's like, well, everyone else knew
it was here except for you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Yeah, we all knew about it. We just didn't tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
We just thought you knew. Like it's right there. We've
been in fluting it for years.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Yeah, like for real, Like I go there on my
way to get groceries. I'm like, I need some lira.
I'm just gonna go.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Yeah. Robbers entered the tomb once in antiquity and again
in modern times when they used heavy machinery to geez.
This is like organized heavy machinery to move a large
rock to access the site. Despite these incidents, the team
unearthed a trove of artifacts, including glass plates, knives, objects

(01:34:41):
made from bone, and the bodies of those who dared
to steal. No, maybe that's who the extra body was,
as somebody who is buddies. As a goof, we locked
him in the tomb like as a goog. Yeah, we
sealed the tomb behind him. It was pretty funny. Yeah
that was twenty five years ago. I thought it was
funny as a goof quote. We also uncovered a piece

(01:35:07):
of fabric embroidered with gold thread, which confirms our belief
that we are dealing with members of the upper class
nicolay ads. I mean that and the fact that there's
a giant tomb made of stuff which would cost money
to build.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
What about if it was just made by that person
and they were like, oh, I'm gonna die in like
in like twenty years, let me just make a really
big tomb right now.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Nobody would do that unless they had a YouTube channel
to show them doing it, Like those fake video makers
that make those ridiculous houses and stuff out of mud.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
I want to make mud houses.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
You don't watch those YouTube videos. No, most of them
are fake, unfortunately, but yeah, they're like just carving out
of the earth things. It's pretty relaxing. The discovery has
always has already drawn crowds of curious locals, angry that
they won't be able to raid the tomb anymore. From money. Yeah,

(01:36:00):
Albania's tourism economy has rapidly expanded in recent years, and
officials eventually plan to open the site of the tomb
to visitors the almighty dollar babe. Yeah, we're gonna take
a break, and I've got one more piece that's just
for Shell because it's all about haunted real estate. Okay,

(01:36:23):
right after this Shell. I know how much you love
real estate just in general, like the general concept of
it as a home inspector and stuff. You always liked
houses and things. Yeah, why'd you say that? Like down dowardly,

(01:36:45):
that's a positive thing, a thing you like.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
I know that's why it's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Well this mirror dot co dot uk Arnicle. Yeah we're back, baby.
The headline is cliff Side Castle overlooking Sea for sale
with ghosts that can be heard at night.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
I mean that's that's a sell. That's a feature, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
I mean putting that in the listing is a little
is an interesting choice. I think.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
I think you just have to be upfront because you
don't want people being like trying to sue you when
they hear the ghosts at night all time.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Well, let me let me show it to you real quick.
WHOA looks like it's in a bit of rough shape.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
That's what I want. Do you think it has a
roof on any part of it?

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
I who can say? Probably not.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
It doesn't have any like like glass in the windows. Whoo.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
No, it's right on the water.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Yeah, i'd buy that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
Oh this is not a house.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
This is so good I want I'm gonna live here.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
It's got Are you excited because you see that it
has like no flooring. It's literally like dirt.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Yeah, so you don't have to worry about it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
The foundation is the planet itself. Yeah, it is literally
a castle.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
I mean it's just a ruins.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
Well, I mean yeah, but I mean, like, if you're
gonna be I still have all the muskrats on the screen, yeah,
I mean, if you're gonna be persnickety about it. But
but hold on, you may still want to buy it.
A castle perched on a cliff has hit the property market,
and many people believe it's haunted.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
Offers of one hundred thousand pounds are being considered for
the spectacular site. That's pretty cheap for like, yeah, I
mean considering it's it's a yeah, it's a ruin and
there's not even like a road next to it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
I mean, I guess you just drive up the grass places.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Yeah, you just have to get like a you know,
good four wheel drive. You'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
Yeah, little little coat of pain, little plumbing and electricity
that probably is nowhere near there either, and you're set.
You're gonna go. Duns Ki Castle, a scheduled monument dating
from the mid sixteenth century, stands on the site of
what is thought to be earlier the earlier a Dare Castle,
which was destroyed in fifteen hundred. The Ruins, Hey, look

(01:39:23):
at you, the ruins. This is Chell's episode. She's been
right every time about everything. Oh really must be nice.
The ruins sit on eight acres of land and can
be reached via coastal footpath behind the property. As reported
by Luxury Property News, the castle is a popular stop
for tourists who can explore the ruins across the former moat. Okay,

(01:39:48):
I don't want people crossing my moat. If I buy
that place, well, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
You have to put up a big, big fence that has.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
It's a castle. It's meant to keep people out. I
build it. Once you re build it, I mean no,
right now, right this second, on a clear day. Also
one hundred quid though for like eight acres right by
the water. That's surprisingly cheap.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
It's not bad.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
It's probably a horrible place to live in every aspect.
Hmmm whatever, on a clear day, if you stretch all
the way across the sea towards Northern Ireland, over twenty
miles away, that's why it's so cheap. They're like, nobody
wants to see Northern Islands hateful. It has been Wow,

(01:40:36):
it has been derelict since. Do you want to guess
how long it's been derelict. I want to put this
to you, sheel.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Yeah, it's been derelict since eighteen oh two.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Finally you're wrong, seventeen hundred. Oh wow, it's a very
long time.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
I mean, that's why it looks like that. I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Ouch. Now you sound like that lady talking about ghosts
behind their backs. Yet enough of the castle remains to
show the strength of its original fortifications. The walls are
five feet thick.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
Wow, that's why they're still standing.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Yeah. The tower rises thirty meters and there are remnants
of a vaulted cellar and a watch tower, all perched
on the cliff edge.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
It'd be cooler if you could go up those things,
but I don't think you can.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Yeah, this place needs a lot of work if it's
going to be like a place you're going to like
do stuff in. Yeah, not even live, just like do
anything other than be outside, but in it slightly m h.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
The castle lies on the coastal path from Portpatrick to Moreauch,
in a secluded spot that adds to its sense of
mystery and historic glure. Ooh. The listing is being handled
by Ian Eli Corbett of Strutton Partner, with offers being
considered over one hundred thousand pounds according to Visit Scotland quote.

(01:42:04):
The magnificent ruins of Dunski Castle are picturesquely perched on
a rocky outcrop jetting out into the Irish Sea. The
massive towerhouse was built in the mid sixteenth century for
the Adirs of Kinhilt, the same family that owned the
Castle of Saint John in Stranraer, and the long wing
in the north was added in the sixteen twenties. By

(01:42:26):
the seventeen hundreds or by seventeen hundred, the whole building
was derelict. Man, there's an ad over what I need
to read? Damn, I hate? Why why I have to
reload it? A professional? Dammit the ruins blah blah blah.

(01:42:48):
Eight acres of land on a clear day coastal path.
Here we go the defensive ditch on the lands where
lands ward side is all that survives of an early
or a Dare castle, first recorded in the fourteenth century.
This castle was destroyed around fifteen hundred by the mccullicks

(01:43:08):
of Merton and the cardinesses. Those cardinals, I never trusted them.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
Yeah, destroying castles.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Many reports online suggest some believe the castle is haunted.
One legend says a minstrel was imprisoned in dungeons at
the castle and found a secret tunnel. Yeah, legend has
it as they say that on stormy nights the sound
of his pipes can be heard above the waves.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
But it sounded like he escaped because he found a
secret tunnel.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
Or he died in the tunnel.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
They didn't say that, though.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
Well they implied it by him being a ghost.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
I mean it's been a long time, so he could
just be a ghost anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
Yeah, that's true. He just died and I was like,
I'm a.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Hot there tunnel.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
That tunnel was dope. According to the website's storied collection,
after being left to starve, the minstrel oh a minstrel
quote reached a cave on the shore of the open
sea below the castle. He could hear the roaring waves.
He could see the moon glistening above, promising a life

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beyond Dunski, but he could not scale the slick, steep walls.
He died a slow death, looking at the freedom he
could not reach forevermore. It is said that you can
hear his pipes playing above the waves on stormy nights
as his ghost paces up and down the passageway where

(01:44:50):
he died.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Ah huh.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
Another legend states a Brownie haunts the site. This is
sometimes described by believers in the paranormal as a hairy
manlike apparition. I've never heard of that before, Yeah, brownie
and uh oh, some reports. Oh you think mirror dot
co dot uk is a good source. Some reports on

(01:45:14):
Tumblr speak speak of inexplicable sounds that can be heard
at the scene.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
What. No, no, rough harsh words for the minstrel ghost.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
No, I mean honestly, like, you have these these open
window holes and shit, and you're right by the ocean,
so it's probably windy, probably hearing a lot of like
weird noises sound through the little openings.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
With how wide open the area is, you could be
hearing a ghost from another castle right off in the distance.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Yeah right, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
People just don't want to have critical thinking skills anymore,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
Well, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be
get back. We're going to dive into why the Halloween
candy scare still haunts America after this cell, I am
positive that we've had this conversation a part of this

(01:46:19):
conversation before. But what's your favorite Halloween candy? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
I don't know, like dots, dots? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
Oh, the squishy dots, Yes, I love those.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
For a second, I thought you meant the paper with them,
and I was like the ones where you eat paper.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Well, you don't eat the paper, you just eat the
thing on.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
You just end up eating some paper, is all. Did
you like wax lips when you were a kid, I
don't think so weird. Yeah it was like wax you
chew on and spit out. Yeah, And I never understand
it's not chewing them, it's just it's.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Like weird, weird.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
And you were cool with candy corn. Yeah, yeah, okay, good,
I love Mike. I've been having a lot of candy corn.
I bought one really high quality like bag of candy corn,
and I've been resealing it every night after i eat
just a little bit of it, trying to like maximize
the experience. Yeah, because I'm a dork. So when you

(01:47:27):
were a kid, do you remember what Halloween candy you
were most excited to get in your bag?

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
Dots?

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
Oh it was dots then too. Okay, yeah they had
Halloween dots last year. They were they were ghost dots
and they were like gray and a little sea through wow,
and they tasted like dots. So when I was a kid,
it was it was all about those little three packs
of sweet tarts.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Oh, I don't like those.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
You don't like anything sour. Yeah, I'll never understand you.
Although last night I opened up a bag of Jellybelly
jelly beans that were wild cherry flavored, and I ate
a couple of them, and I lit a cigar and
started smoking, and the cigar tasted awful, And it was

(01:48:17):
a cigar I smoked all the time, and there are
only a few cigars that I have like the same
one again and again. So I was like, Man, is
this cigar like have something wrong with it? Or is
my mouthfall messed up? Because I've been having weird taste issues.
And then I just stopped eating those and after like
ten minutes it went away. I think they just had

(01:48:38):
something about them that just did not play nice. Yeah,
it's weird because usually candy and cigars go together very nicely.
So with that all being said, we're taking a look
at FastCompany dot COM's coverage this Actually, this article is
super new. I mean it didn't come out this year,
but it came out after we'd recorded last year's show. Okay,

(01:49:01):
so it was Halloween of last year. And the headline
is why the American the Halloween candy scare still haunts America.
And I've just always been fascinated by this because I
remember growing up and being told to check your candy.
Not to eat anything until your parents look at it.
Not to accept anything that's not sealed, not take apples,
not take homemade treats, things like that. Yeah. So, and

(01:49:26):
of course, have you ever seen oh gosh, what is
it called Night of the Demons? No? Oh, it has
a great razorblade apple gag in it. I have to
I have to show you that to you sometimes be
a good friend to you. So, yeah, this is an article.
I was very curious about the unquiet spirits, vampires, and

(01:49:49):
the omnipresent zombies that take over American streets every October thirty.
First may think Halloween is all about spooky fun. But
what Halloween masqueraders may not realize is that in the
early nineteen seventies and well into the next decade, real
fear took over. Yeah, the media, police departments, and politicians

(01:50:16):
began to tell a new kind of Halloween horror story
that's super high seo the full phrase Halloween horror story.
I have been working on that a lot this year.
About poison candy.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
Yeah, oh, but this is where it gets really weird.
No actual events explained this fear. It was driven by
social and cultural anxieties. And there's a lesson in that
about the power of rumors. On this day of dark fantasy.
I can't even help but go into like the throaty

(01:50:56):
voice on some words of dark fantasy. I try not
to do it in person, too weird. The Halloween candy
scare began in nineteen seventy. An op ed on October
twenty eighth, nineteen seventy in The New York Times suggested
the possibility of strangers using Halloween's trick or treat tradition

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to poison children.

Speaker 2 (01:51:21):
It's a good idea to put that stuff out there,
be like, Hey, have you ever considered poisoning people by
putting stuff in Halloween candy?

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
It sure would be easy, Yeah, and you'd never get caught.
But oh so this is a totally like so New
York fabricated this originally your ancestral homeland.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Oh good.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
The editorial mentioned two unconfirmed incidents in upstate New York
and offered a series of frighteningly rhetorical questions. The author,
Judy Klemsrudd that's a name, clems Rud, Yeah, wondered, for example,
if that quote plump red Apple from The Kindly Old

(01:52:04):
lady down the block may have a razor blade hidden
inside it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
I was thinking about this. You know, if there was
something in an apple, It's not like you can put
something in an apple and there's no evidence of it.
I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
It'd be like a little at the bottom. You might
be able to hide it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Maybe, but then would it just get stuck in the
middle and knowing did eat it anyway?

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
I mean, I'm not saying if people are doing this
that they are particularly smart. Oh okay, Well, when I
was growing up, it was always like a friend of
a friend's cousin got a razor blade and apple.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
That's or when I was a kid, it wasn't razor
blade so much. It was needles, oh okay, and that
you could hide up. Yeah, this is advice for you
guys out there now, But that you could hide an
apple like sewing needles. You can stick those in there,
I guess. And they'd claimed that either there were needles
in there or it was injected with something using a needle. Sure,

(01:53:05):
stuff like that. I think that the real question the
next editorial should have been to Judy klemsrud Are things
okay at home. Why are you sitting around just imagining this,
like saying, wonder if that could happen. It's like, that's weird, lady, Yeah,
what's going on? Some readers accepted her questions as definitive fact.

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Two days later, a five year old child died on
Halloween in Detroit after consuming heroin. Early media so I
thought too, I was like. Early media reports of his
death cited his uncle's claim that he had been exposed
to the drug in tainted Halloween treats.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
Yeah, I mean that sounds like really convenient.

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. By mid November nineteen seventy,
newspaper reported showed that the child had in fact found
the heroine at his uncle's home, of course, not in
this bag of Halloween candy, as investigators had first been told.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
I mean, and I've heard this repeatedly, but like people
are just not going to give away their heroin and
like put it in.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
Like, no, it's it's even a little bit as a treat.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
No, it's important to them, they like they have, they
work hard for that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
I was hoping you were going to say for them
in your school, it's important. Heroin is important.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Yeah, throw it around, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
It's not chicklets or freakin sparties.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
Well, we'll take a quick break and things are going
to get a little more dark right after this. All right,
we're back and Shell doesn't know what her favorite candy
dots taste like. I learned that during the break.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
I don't know what that flavor is.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
You just know they're your favorite. Yeah, okay, okay, But
going back to the story. On October thirty first, nineteen
seventy four, another child died in Houston, Texas. This time
the death was a result of eating poisoned candy. The

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child's father had murdered his own son by placing cyanide
in a pixie stick.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
That's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
I remember reading about that. This story of the Houston
candy man killer quickly metastasized, though it had no evidence.
Newsweek magazine asserted in a nineteen seventy five article that quote,
over the past several years, several children have died and
hundreds have narrowly escaped injury from razor blades, sewing needles,

(01:55:56):
and shards of glass put in their goodies adults.

Speaker 2 (01:56:01):
Wow, news has always been shit, huh?

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
I know, right? Whenever I hear an example of like
old news being like really ridiculous and performative and scaring
people for no good reason. I was saying, Oh, thank
god that's over. Yeah yeah yeah. By the nineteen eighties,
some communities had banned tricker treating, and this is something

(01:56:25):
I remember hearing about. While hospitals in some metropolitan areas
offered to X ray Halloween candy.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
Wow, I would get my Halloween candy x ray. That
sounds like fun. You just want to see, like what's
in them? You're like, I just want to hang out
with the people at the hospital. They're so fun. Yeah,
x ray text yay.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
Parent teacher associations encouraged fall festivals to replace Halloween, and
on Long Island, a community group gave prizes to children
who stayed home all together for Halloween of nineteen eighty two.
That's so, that is so lame. I would I want

(01:57:05):
to go back in time and give bigger prizes for
going out and putting razor blades in the prizes. Yeah,
but they're like they're not food, so it doesn't even matter.
There's like, oh, there's a razor blade in this.

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
It's a it's a toy bunny. The razor blade in.

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
It it's still the razor blades still in the packaging.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
Yes, thank you, thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
I guess I'll be shaving in like four or five years.

Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:57:31):
In nineteen oh oh, in nineteen eighty two, was that
far you're born?

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
Was a three? No? Four?

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:57:40):
Nine, I just just keep going. In nineteen eighty two,
the governor of New Jersey signed a bill requiring a
jail term for those tampering with candy.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
So no one ever got arrested for that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
Huh because no one had done it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
I love how this happens so often. It's performative, it's
it's it's government theater.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
Well you remember, I don't remember if it's New York.
I think it's Vermont. The made that CHAMPI the Vermont,
the Lake Champlain, Mons River Monster. Yeah, it's like protected
under the law there. That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
Yeah, but that's at least kind of cute and folksy okay.
Like It's it's one thing too to like, you know,
ban bigfoot from rummaging in your garbage cans. It's another
thing to ban, you know, thrill kill gangs from stabbing
you to death in the produce produce department because you're like, well,

(01:58:44):
that never happens, and that's scary. Bigfoot is kind of funny.
Maybe maybe untilly scary, but no, it's just it's funny
because that kind of theater is so common in leadership
to kind of make it seem like you're doing something.
So in eighty two, New Jersey's governor signed a bill
requiring a jail term for tampering with candy, even though

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nobody had been accused of it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
Yeah, and it wasn't even like the kids that you
know had the incidents were in New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
No, Detroit and Texas. Yeah, so what is the point
I guess to make people think you're doing something?

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
Oh, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
It makes everybody feel safer because now if they do it,
they're going to jail. I mean they were gonna go
to jail anyway, yes, if they did it, but now
they're like really going to jail.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
Oh you don't see. That's why I was asking when
you were born, because you don't remember. Before nineteen eighty two,
the sign for New Jersey, instead of saying the Garden State,
it said a great place to tamper with Halloween candy
because it was the only state in the union that
allowed tampering with Halloween candy.

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
Yeah, it was like going to Delaware so that you
didn't have to pay sales tax exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:59:56):
So they're finally, okay, that's enough tampering with Halloween candy.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
Okay, I've got my fill, I've bagged my limit. When
when I had my old job, which I can kind
of like talk more crap about it too because that
guy's gone at that job now, wow, But when I
had my old TV job, my boss was really just
a really poor boss. He just was not a good
option for bosses. My mom used to when I would

(02:00:22):
tell her, like the weird things he would demand or whatever,
my mom would say that she'd be like, that's management theater.
He doesn't know how to be a manager, so he's
just like doing stuff that sounds like what managers do.

Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:00:31):
Yeah, Like you know, like saying like, remember your lunch
your lunch break is thirty minutes, and it's like, okay,
but did anybody not do that because otherwise we all
know how long our lunch break is. Like, was there
an incident that requires us to you know, lock down
on the lunch breaks. No, it's just you need to
be telling us things and threatening us, because otherwise there's

(02:00:53):
no evidence that you are the boss. Yeah, whoa anyway?
Hateful me? I'm hateful. However, a comprehensive nineteen oh wait,
I went I'm sorry, I went past the New Jersey thing.
Worries of parents and community leaders drove the fear in
a popular nationally syndicated newspaper advice column called Ask Anne Landers.

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Landers warned in nineteen eighty three of quote twisted strangers
who had been quote putting razor blades and poison in
lat taffy apples and other Halloween candy, and Landers was like,
America's that aunt that sends you emails you don't want,
you know about gang initiations. Did you ever get those?

(02:01:40):
I got those on AOL Back in the day. I
would get emails, you know, forwarded, you know, chain letter gosh,
chain letters. Yeah, I would get chain letters. They would say, like,
you remember, tonight's a crypt's initiation night. If someone flashes
their high beams that you don't flash the Yeah, don't
flash back.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
Yeah, drive you off the road and then probably kill
you if you're not already dead. I'm not really sure.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
Usually, yeah, they'll they'll kill you. It's it's because the
initiation is they have to kill somebody, right.

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
So they figure, let's kill someone who doesn't have their
lights on.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
Yeah, kill so randomly.

Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
No, but it's bad because you're you're not you don't
have your lights on, You're gonna hit someone like, someone's
not gonna see you. So let's just kill them.

Speaker 1 (02:02:23):
Yeah, let's just yah, Yeah, just boom boom, that's it.
Done with that bastard. I yeah, I mean I'm fascinated
by things that transferred through you know, urban legend ee
stuff and chain letters. But yeah, this whole like Halloween
candy poisoning thing. I mean, my mom believed it wholesale.
When I was a kid. She wasn't like, oh my god,

(02:02:44):
don't even touch your look at your Halloween candy. But
she was very like, if anything looks weird, set it
aside and I'll look at it. And very rarely did
anything look weird. Yeah, it was usually like those taffy's
that were like, you know, twisted on both ends. We
would have my mom, I would just kind of look
at them because they're not really sealed.

Speaker 2 (02:03:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
Yeah, so I remember those taffis that would be in
the black and orange paper. Maybe they weren't good, but
now I want one because nostalgia. So we're gonna take
a break and we'll find out a little bit more
about poisoning children. After this, we're back and Anne Landers

(02:03:34):
is telling people to fear taffy apples. I still don't
under I mean, I get that, like it's for the children.
People get a lot more reckless with things if it's
about the children.

Speaker 2 (02:03:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
Yeah. And also this whole twisted stranger's narrative she was
pushing I mean stranger danger was a total misstep.

Speaker 2 (02:03:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:54):
Yeah. In reality, children are are much more at risk
of people they know, absolutely not strangers, you know, like
if you know, if you know Bob, he's bad. M
hm the end. Yeah, show's over. Just start playing the
crist No. Uh. However, a comprehensive nineteen eighty five study
of the thirty years of alleged poisoning did not find

(02:04:17):
even a single confirmed incident of a child's death or
even a serious injury. Wow, that's like not even like
a kid like busting their tooth on an apple.

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
Nothing, just me, I mean that is that a serious injury? Though? Like,
what are they consider.

Speaker 1 (02:04:38):
Have it happened to you and see if you feel
like that fine. You know, even in Halloween two, there's
a like it takes place mostly at a hospital, and
like one of the things that happens is somebody comes
to the emergency room and a kid literally has a
razor blade stuck between his teeth out from biting into
an apple. Wowlloween like so that and that was like

(02:05:00):
would have been like eighty or eighty one. So that's
how quickly that proliferated. They thought to put that in
a movie about Halloween. Sociologist Joel Best don't trust the
rest trust. Joel Best at the University of Delaware, who
led the study, called it an urban legend. Most reports

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of poisoned Halloween candy that appeared in print were editorials
written by authoritative voices in politics and media rather than
actual events. That is tough. Sometimes you ever see, like
some friend of your share some really ridiculous news story
with like a terrifying headline, and when you look at it,
the first thing you see is it says editorial. You know,

(02:05:43):
like this isn't news, this is an opinion. Although now
it's getting to the point where a friend of mine
he has a degree in journalism, and he was talking
about how like the amount like versus twenty years ago
when he was in college, the amount of of of

(02:06:03):
what do you call it, like un known sources, like
of of sources without you know, a name, Yeah, is insane.
It used to almost never be how you would report something,
and now it almost always is how you report the
news through unnamed sources.

Speaker 2 (02:06:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:06:21):
And he said it used to be that like if
you if you didn't have a named source, you better
really have looked into it because if it turns out
to be bunk, like, everybody comes down on you for
using a unknown source. And now it's like that's just Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (02:06:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:06:38):
Oh well, at least the clicks are happening. Okay, So
before I don't want to get black pilled. I actually
love Halloween kids, uh, and I love kids not being poisoned.

Speaker 2 (02:06:48):
Yeah, it's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (02:06:49):
It's not bad. It's not bad at all. However, police
all over the country urged parents to accompany their children
while trigger treating. In nineteen eighty two, annual Halloween festivities
that the Governor's mansion in Hartford, Connecticut were canceled. Why
did a series of rumors very loosely based on a

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small number of tragic crimes, convinced so many people in
authority and led to such panic. Oh. In his book
The Vanishing Hitchhiker, I have that book, folklorist John Harold
runvand Brunvand argues that while urban legends may be grounded
in actual incidents, they often come to stand and often

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come to stand in for real world fears.

Speaker 2 (02:07:37):
Mm hm, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
That book's really good. I read it like three or
four years ago, and it's really really good. In the
case of poison Candy, my own research into American politics
and horror tales suggests that those fears might have been
driven in part by the multitude of problems facing the
United States at the time. It's a good point. The
seventies were like pretty brutal, Yeah, yeah, very violent time

(02:08:02):
in American history, very uncertain time in American history. Same
with the sixties. Sixties and seventies were kind of a nightmare.
I think it's one of the reasons so many people,
I mean, I'm not going to go either way on him,
but I think it's one of the reasons there are
a lot of people who really love on Reagan. In hindsight,
because the eighties were definitely like a calming of a
lot of the major national anxieties. Whether it was because

(02:08:25):
of Reagan or not is not my point. It's just
that that could make you look at him fondly just
by how those were better times. Sure, like he really
doesn't have to have anything to do with making the
times better. If he was just there, you'd be like, Ah,
the Gipper, Yeah, the Gipper, You like the Gipper? Sure,
sure you have that T shirt that says the Gipper?

Speaker 2 (02:08:47):
Oh is that what that means?

Speaker 1 (02:08:50):
T shirt? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:08:51):
Yeah, I always thought it was like called a short sweater.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
Well played. The years from nineteen seventy to nineteen seventy
five were marked by cultural upheaval, both domestic and geopolitical.
In nineteen seventy four, President Richard Nixon resigned following the
Watergate scandal. That scandal exposed the abuse of power and
a criminal cover up under his administration. Yeah, Americans had

(02:09:25):
much more to worry about than Watergate. In the mid
nineteen seventies, scholar of the Vietnam era, Christian g Appy,
in his book two thousand and fifth Areas twenty fifteen
book American Reckoning described the era as one in which
defeat in Vietnam, combined with stagnant economic growth and soaring inflation,
caused many Americans to see the country itself as a

(02:09:45):
quote victim of forces beyond its control. That's an interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:09:52):
Concept, Yeah, it is, actually, Yeah, this.

Speaker 1 (02:09:55):
Sense of victimization drove that drove the sense that American
societ had become deeply unsafe all the society. The social
change in the nineteen seventies fed the creation of urban legends,
argue sociologist Jeffrey S. Victor. A brutal story about strangers
with poison candy seemed a preferable national fantasy to the

(02:10:17):
historical reality. In the nineteen seventies and eighties. Horror at
the state of the world can take form of parody
or simple scary stories. Americans had become so disenchanted, according
to the journalist and historian Rick Pearlstein, that bleak and
frightening films such as nineteen seventy four As the Exorcist
captured the national mood.

Speaker 2 (02:10:38):
Okay, so I can kind of understand this, I mean,
coming from like the candy standpoint, that is, because it's like, Okay,
so there are evil people out there, and there's something
we can do about these evil people where normally we
feel like we're powerless and we're just things are just
happening randomly, and so I kind of get that.

Speaker 1 (02:10:58):
Yeah, And that's the thing when when it comes to
because I've spent a lot of time thinking about horror
and how it fits the zeitgeist, because there are a
lot of interesting things like when the Amityville Horror book
came out and then the movie came out, and they
were both gigantic hits, and it caused a flurry of
haunted house movies. That was during an era where white

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flight was happening, like people were just leaving the cities
and droves and buying houses. It was also one of
the biggest times, biggest spikes in home ownership in America.
And if you think about it, buying a home is scary.
You know, Oh, the walls are bleeding. Well, that sounds
better than some plumbing problems I've heard about, you know.

(02:11:44):
So you can see how it feeds on anxieties, and
if you dig even deeper, that's where it gets convoluted
and confusing, because sometimes it's escapism and other times it's
catharsis you can go either way. Like after nine to eleven,
horror shifted to extremely violent torture horror movies. They became

(02:12:08):
very popular right after nine to eleven when torture was
in the news. So it was more of a Catharsis
like a like a safer way to look at that
reality being in a movie theater rather than thinking like
we're doing this or you know, my you know, loved
ones in the military could be doing this right now.

(02:12:29):
I don't know what's going on. So it's a really
fair point because, yeah, horror and not just movies and books,
but obviously urban legends, myths, the things we talk about,
the things that make us scared, have a lot to
do with what's going on in our lives. Yeah, yeah,
so we'll we'll finish up this heavy story thanks to

(02:12:50):
Michelle making it dark. Sorry right after this, so we're
back and we're kind of getting to the heart of
this whole poison candy myth. This is a really interesting article.

(02:13:14):
When I found it, I was like ooh because it
was brand new, because most of the stuff I've read
about poisoned Halloween candy is old right, like it was
published in the early two thousands, or twenty ten's the
false Case of the poison candy legend is another way
that American fears manifested as an easily understood threat to innocence.

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Scholar David J. Skull, in his book Death Makes a Holiday,
argues Halloween, throughout its history has provided a moment for
people to unleash their political and cultural fears. As an example,
Skoll notes Richard Nixon became the first president satirized by
a rubber Halloween mask in the autumn of nineteen seventy four,

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just two months after his resignation. I remember that being
a very big deal that that there were masks of him. Today,
a majority of Americans of all ages see Halloween as
an opportunity to celebrate excess, kind of like a dark
Marty Gras. I don't know, depending on how you look
at Marty Gras. I think Marti Gras might be the

(02:14:19):
dark Marty Gras.

Speaker 2 (02:14:21):
Maybe.

Speaker 1 (02:14:24):
But some Christian churches, especially those who attend those attended
by conservative Eangelicals, continue to declare a kind of war
on Halloween every year. Many Evangelicals, in their own descriptions,
see the holiday as a celebration of the occult often
viewed in their religious worldview as connected to a very
literal satan. I do want to mention because I was

(02:14:46):
talking about this with a friend of mine the other day.
We were talking about haunts and how you know, like
haunted houses, spook houses, whatever, you know, places you go
to get scared. And when I was a kid, all
the haunted houses I went to were churches. No really, yeah,
And I've noticed as I've gotten older that people don't

(02:15:07):
talk about that very much. They talk about, you know,
the hell houses, like the how the haunted houses where
you go in and they just tell you all the
things that you do if you sin, and you know
what your soul will be, like torture. They're not common.
I never saw one. I've heard of these like Christian
haunted houses. And then you hear about like the old
blue Hairs who are saying like, oh, it's satanic, it's evil,

(02:15:28):
you can't go trick or treating. But when I was
growing up, like the church folk loved Halloween. Yeah, they
hosted bobbing for apples parties, you know, and they would
do little tiny haunts to raise money for charity. And
I went to at least two, maybe three haunted houses
hosted by different churches in my babysitters neighborhood when I

(02:15:48):
was a little kid, interesting so and they were all
for charity. It was like, you know, and they were
silly and goofy. I loved them. I've always said if
I if I could do anything with my home, if
my home a little bigger, I would turn my garage
into like a little haunted house for trigger treaters, you know,
with just like a few props and stuff. But it's
just too impossible.

Speaker 2 (02:16:08):
I don't know. Actually, when I was growing up, there
was a half in my neighborhood that did that with
their garage. I don't think I ever went in there
because it was kind of like out of the way
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:16:17):
Uh huh. You were scared. Just admit you were scared.

Speaker 2 (02:16:20):
No, I'm not scared.

Speaker 1 (02:16:23):
Right, she was scared.

Speaker 2 (02:16:25):
I'm not. I don't be scared of things.

Speaker 1 (02:16:28):
You were scared. It's okay. People get scared. No, No,
I'm just you were scared. It's all right, You're allowed
to get scared. I was like ten, Yeah, a scared
ten year old. Halloween, with its association with the powers
of darkness, can allow many legends to flourish tales of

(02:16:51):
dangerous outsiders, poisoned candy, and other alleged threats to American life.
Social media may serve that role the rest of the year,
but on Halloween, dark rumors may actually knock at the door.
It's not a bad piece. Yeah, it got a little honestly,
got a little sensational right there at the end itself,

(02:17:14):
which is funny because I was talking about sensation. It's
like all these people are like hate Halloween and are
trying to whatever. It's like, yeah, some I guess. I
actually never hear anti Halloween sentiment anymore from religious people.
They could be out there, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (02:17:30):
They are, but yeah, I mean I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:17:33):
Well, fine, fine, shell. Well, speaking of I went to
a haunted, a major haunted attraction last week and I
went to Land of Illusion in Middletown, Ohio. Had a
great time at six haunts in one night. I was
basically drunk on spooky by the end of it because

(02:17:55):
it was like almost one in the morning. I was
so tired, and I had just been going from room
to room with these like crazy lights and effects and stuff.
And they did this one room called the Lights Out Room,
and it was a maze And when it starts, you
walk into a room and it's all painted bright white

(02:18:16):
to look like a hospital room. Okay, and a guy
gives you a speech about how to get through the maze,
but literally he says the first rule is don't look up.
And then he flips the switch and these giant floodlights
turn on on the ceiling and they're like five times
as bright as you would want lights to be. So
he talks to you for forty seconds under that light
and then puts you into a room where there's zero light.

(02:18:38):
Everything's painted black and it's full of fog, so you
are blind, like you're opening your eyes as white as
you can and seeing nothing. It's awesome because it's so scary.

Speaker 2 (02:18:48):
Have you there's a thing in it?

Speaker 1 (02:18:52):
Used?

Speaker 2 (02:18:52):
I guess it's still there in the that science museum
that's like right outside of New York and whatever the
hell that's called, where there's a there's like an exhibit
that you go through and it's completely pitch black and
you just have to you just have to hold the
side of the wall and go through it.

Speaker 1 (02:19:12):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (02:19:13):
I guess you've never been there, no, because why would
you be there?

Speaker 1 (02:19:17):
Yeah? I was gonna, I was gonna, wasn't gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:19:19):
Be that super interesting? And you crawl at some point
and you walk at some point you have to go
over things.

Speaker 1 (02:19:25):
Yeah that sounds cool.

Speaker 2 (02:19:28):
Oh yes.

Speaker 1 (02:19:29):
The crazy part was that when I went through this,
it was like eleven o'clock at night, and when I
got out, I was like not quite right the rest
of the night, like it like it like knocked my
equilibrium around or something. It was really cool, though, that's
I felt a little odd.

Speaker 2 (02:19:43):
Yeah, it's called the Liberty Science Center.

Speaker 1 (02:19:45):
Sorry, Oh okay, Liberty Science Center. Okay, Yeah, but so
that was really fun. I went to all six exhibits,
but or haunts but Doctor Psychos, which is the less
more gross one. Last year, when I went to see
Doctor Psycho, which was my first time, I got called

(02:20:07):
out by Doctor Psycho as a movie director and then
he like grab like kind of like not pushed me around,
and he like kind of singled me out and like
did creepy stuff. This year, when I went through, he
called me out again, but this time he decided to
His big gag is he gives his speech and then

(02:20:28):
he eats worms nightcrawlers. He takes them out holds them
out to make sure you can see they're real, and
then he sucks them down. Wow, it's a geek act.
I mean like like biting the heads off chickens, but
much less violent and cruel, but like it's you know,
eats worms. Yeah, they're worms. I mean, I just I'm
not a huge fan of worms. I mean, not not

(02:20:49):
that I want them to die, but I mean like
they scare me. So he said hi to me and
then like like gave me a side hug and just
started talking to me in his voice. And then these
teenage girls that were behind me in line, he like
used me to scare them by slurping the worm really
close to me and they were all screaming and I
was trying not to gag. Yeah, And when I walked out,

(02:21:12):
I had worm juice on my glasses because he had
slurped it so close to my face.

Speaker 2 (02:21:17):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:21:19):
And then he facebooked me and was like awesome to
see you, thanks for coming by, and I was like yep,
but it was really really fun. So and by the
time you guys hear this, I will have been to
the Brimstone Haunt and I might even go again because
they do lights out night or blackout Night the day
after Halloween where all of the lights are off but

(02:21:40):
the haunts are open, so you have to kind of
manage around and it's extra creepy and weird. I don't know,
I'm just I love haunts. I used to not be
able to afford to go to them. Now I can
afford to, and they're really fun good. So we're gonna
take a quick break and we're gonna wrap things up
talking about some horror media. We've looked at what's scary

(02:22:00):
on Reddit and whatever else Michelle comes up with, because
now it's her job to be as interesting as possible.
What right after this? All right, we're back wrapping up
this October edition of Monthly Spooky and our fortieth episode,

(02:22:23):
which is kind of wild. I'm still wrapping my head
around it. So first of all, I want to talk
a little bit about horror media that I've been seeing
in the theater. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to go
to a bunch of like older movie screenings this year.
There just weren't that many, and most of them were
on Wednesdays, and I just couldn't make that work. I've

(02:22:46):
been working, really Oh and they were all at like seven.
I was like, if this was at nine, I could
go I can't get away that early. I'm freaking I'm
recording spooky stories like all adults. That's what's keeping me
from doing that. I have to tell a scary story
into a microphone in a dark room and give myself
the creeps. That's literally my job. I will say there

(02:23:07):
were days when I was recording that I was like tired,
and I was kind of like, oh my god, okay,
like I gotta get through this. There were also days
I got really into the stories I was reading, and
it definitely kept my Halloween vibe going because I'd be like,
oh cool, I just spent most of my day reading
a scary story. Like sounds fine by me. But I
did manage to even with all that said, see three

(02:23:30):
horror movies in the theater and one on streaming. That's
brand new. Okay, So first up, I saw oh wait,
you know what I saw last Rites Conjuring last month.
We talked about that last month, so I'm not going
to talk about that here, but it's still three. I
saw The Strangers Chapter two, which is the second part

(02:23:51):
of the Strangers series. The remake series really fun, like
just a straight slasher horror movie with a lot of
tension and suspense. A lot of people want to hate
on those movies, and I don't know why. They're literally
just horror movies for fun. Yeah they're not. They're not
super dumb, they're not super smart. They're really fun. And

(02:24:15):
there's an incident not incident, I mean it is an incident,
but there's a scene where she's in the woods hiding
from killers and she gets attacked by an unexpected like
unexpected entity that like literally made me jump up on
my seat and go, oh my god, this is wild,
and I was like enamored the whole time.

Speaker 2 (02:24:33):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (02:24:34):
It's the second of a trilogy that's already been filmed,
and often when they do that, the second movie is
kind of the meandering movie, you know, like they're kind
of on their way somewhere. This one set up so
well that basically every friggin character you see might be
one of the bat the murderers that's hunting this girl. Yeah,
like everybody is untrustworthy and it's really really fun. I

(02:24:55):
don't care. I think they're fun as hell. A lot
of people are like it's just it's lame, and I
was like, I was spooped the whole time. It wasn't
like these horror movies where you know it's an artistic
statement and then you hopefully get scared. Like it was
just cool and fun. But I enjoyed it. Then I
saw a movie that really blew me away in the theater,

(02:25:16):
which is a movie called good Boy, A horror film
from the perspective of a dog.

Speaker 2 (02:25:22):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:25:24):
That was awesome. I saw it twice in the theater.
I liked it so much I took Rachel to see
it a second time. Cool. I loved it. It is
a haunted house movie. A guy moves into a house
with a dog and weird things start happening. It's from
the dog's perspective, but not like the dog's literal pov.
It's the dog is the main character, so the things

(02:25:44):
that are happening how the dog reacts as the most
important element. And I thought they did a great job
of not only the dog was was did a really
good job because they worked really hard. They shot for
over two years, an hour to three hours at a time.

Speaker 2 (02:25:58):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:25:58):
The dog was not an actor dog or a trained dog.
It was just their dog. And I thought they did
a great job of the emotion of it. I thought
they did a great job of making it about things
a dog would be scared about, both intellectually and literally,
like dogs are afraid of noises, but also like a
dog would be afraid of their owner disappearing or dying

(02:26:19):
or but they also wouldn't be able to understand, so
maybe it would just be anxiety, you know, because dogs
don't really like literally understand. They kind of understand, you know,
they're animals, And I'm a dog person, so obviously I
really like that too. My first thought when I came
home and I saw Rachel's Cat e Too is I
was just like, if the movie were a cat, the
cat would just sleep happily while the guy was being

(02:26:40):
killed by ghosts. Yeah, and that would be the whole movie.
And then I saw The Black Phone Part two. I
really liked it. I thought The Black Phone was a
phenomenal movie, very scary. Part two was a little bit
lighter on the scares and more fantastical. But I think
it's hard to make a sequel just scary as the

(02:27:01):
first one when the first one was extremely scary. But
I really liked it. It was very eighties throwback, which
everybody loves and I do too. I'm just getting a
little burnout on nostalgia right now in movies. I kind
of want like something modern right now. I don't know why.
It's just kind of my vibe, but I liked it
Black Phone two. I'm gonna go see it again maybe
next Monday and then on two B. They just released

(02:27:26):
last week R. L Stein's Pumpkinhead, a feature length adaptation
of one of R. L Stein's Haunting Hour episodes where
a young kid moves to a new town with his
brother and finds out there's some kind of demonic farmer
pumpkin patch packed with the devil, and it eats children
to keep the crops growing.

Speaker 2 (02:27:48):
Okay, I mean that's how that would work.

Speaker 1 (02:27:50):
It was that's how it should work, right.

Speaker 2 (02:27:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:27:53):
It was really fun. It was very cheesy and silly.
It had a really dark ending. I was really I
liked it, but I was very surprised by it, so
that one's super fun. It was definitely geared for teenagers.
So if you have like a twelve thirteen year old
kid and you want to watch something for Halloween, I
really recommend arl Stein's Pumpkinhead, which is streaming on to

(02:28:15):
be for free. So those are the things I've watched,
you know, other than I've watched like Nightmine, ELM Street
movies because the new four K box that came out
and stuff, and man they looked amazing Parts three, four,
and five looked like unbelievably good, good, like really good.
So that's what I got. Do you have anything in
the world of Reddit to share with us on this
spooky season? Um?

Speaker 2 (02:28:38):
Yes, I don't remember it. Let me see where it
is follow out. Thanks. Okay, So there's this dude, I guess. Okay,
this is from Glitch in the Matrix because the other
one suck. So there's this dude and in like twenty
twenty two, he's living somewhere in Ohio. Oh yeah, yeah,

(02:29:00):
he's Ohio person. And he is driving home from somewhere
like he I guess he was. I don't know where
he was, Okay, I understand he was just dry. Yeah,
I don't know where he was driving home from somewhere
and he's I guess he's living in Ohio. He's like
three hours away from home. He's passing through a city

(02:29:20):
in Ohio, but he doesn't specify it, and he realizes
that he's about to run out of gas, and he like,
I think he just like just missed the gas station
when he realized this, and he's like, I got a
fine one and it's super it's like late at night too,
so his whatever says that. Then there's an open gas station,
like and it's pretty far away like the next one,

(02:29:42):
and he's like, I don't think I can even make that.
And then he looks off to the side and he
sees that at the next exit. I think it's a
let's see what it was. I think it was like
a speedway.

Speaker 1 (02:29:55):
Well that would be ohio, I wish I could.

Speaker 2 (02:30:00):
I wish my brain would just work a little bit. Yeah, speedway. Yeah, okay.
So he's like, yeah, he can see from the freeway
he's gonna get off. So he gets off. He he
tries to, you know, put his credit card in the thingy,
and it doesn't accept it for some reason, like you know,
have you ever had that happen where you like try

(02:30:21):
to swipe your card in a gas station it doesn't work.
So he's like, it's probably the pump. So he just
like goes in and he's like, can you just to
the uh, the the person at the the cashier, Sure,
the cash here, He says, can you just can you
do it here? And the guy tries to swipe his
card and it gets declined and he's like, okay, so

(02:30:41):
he's like, I can just pay with cash. No big
do So I guess he pumps and he goes back
to pay with cash or whatever. The hell. I don't
know how this works, and and he asked, and he
also sees like he also gets like a pack of cigarettes.
And the guy's like, I thought you were quitting. And
he's just like, why would he think that? Like I
don't know him.

Speaker 1 (02:31:03):
I will say, that's a quip I would I would
do if somebody if I had to like hand people
packs of cigarettes for them to buy them.

Speaker 2 (02:31:10):
Okay, well it doesn't matter. He just thought it. He
thought it was a little weird because he's like, you know,
I know a lot of people I hang out places
that's could happen. So he leaves, he goes home, everything's fine,
and then you know he I guess he routinely drives
that area every once in a while and he has
never seen that speedway again, Like he's always kind of

(02:31:31):
looking for it when he passes that area. Because I
think he had like I think the experience was just
really nice, Like he had a really nice time getting
gas there and the guy was really nice and everything.
So he's like, that's speedway, like saved my life. So
he's looking for it all the time and he never
sees it. So like I think, like this year or something,
he ends up moving to whatever that city is in Ohio, right,

(02:31:54):
and he ends up moving right by where that speedway
would have been, like right on that exit, and there's
not a speedway there. There's not anything.

Speaker 1 (02:32:02):
There's a valero.

Speaker 2 (02:32:07):
No, I actually there's not a speedway, but there is
something being constructed there, and he goes and finds out
that it's a speedway.

Speaker 1 (02:32:15):
Well, okay, so I can give some insight being an
Ohio man. Okay, there are speedways being constructed literally just
about everything.

Speaker 2 (02:32:26):
Okay. But but but he's saying that there wasn't a
speedway and now there's going to be one. And if
he's right, and he might not be right about the exit,
he could be wrong, but if he's right, maybe he
visited this this future and that's why his cards.

Speaker 1 (02:32:41):
Yeah yeah, okay, No, I mean I get that, I
dig that. I just it's just funny to hear, Like
and I saw a place where speedway is being built,
It's like, yes, that's everywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:32:49):
Yeah, I mean it was like it was like if
I saw wah wah being built, Like.

Speaker 1 (02:32:53):
Yeah, although now it's sheets we're having, Like it feels
like a sheets is popping up everywhere over here. But no,
that that that that's a pretty creepy one. I mean,
like the idea of going to a you know, a
place where a gas station and seeing like a gas
station being built is very creepy. I feel like I
watched a movie where something like that happened.

Speaker 2 (02:33:14):
A gas station is being built, where.

Speaker 1 (02:33:16):
Like somebody went to a place and then when they
came back, it was being built. Like it was like
a little time shifty thing. That's pretty creepy. I like that. Also,
if they were in Ohio and they were driving three
hours to home, that means they either live in Cincinnati
or Dayton and we're going to Cleveland or Akron or
vice versa, okay, because there's not much else unless they

(02:33:38):
were going to like hike out in south you know,
south east Ohio, because there's very little in southeast Ohio.
But yeah, if you're driving three hours. In Ohio, you're
pretty much going from one side to the other. You're
either going from the southwest to the northeast or from
the northeast to the southwest, because you can't go like
if you go to Toledo to Dayton or Cincinnati, that's

(02:34:00):
not three hours. If you're going from there to from
Toledo to Cleveland, that's still not even close to three eyes,
like two and a half at most, probably less. Yeah,
so it's probably coming from one side to the other.
That's my Ohio insight for today. Tang So, but thank
you Chell, and thank you seriously for doing the show

(02:34:22):
with me. It really doesn't mean a lot to me
to be able to sit down with you and laugh
about stupid, stupid, spooky, dumb news stuff and read about
Halloween candy, and you always put up with my weird everything,
so I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:34:36):
Okay, I didn't do anything, so oh okay, all right,
Well fine then, jeez.

Speaker 1 (02:34:43):
But on that note, we're gonna we're gonna get out
of here and get ready to celebrate the remainder of
our spooky season. We hope yours is going wonderfully. Thank
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(02:35:05):
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(02:35:28):
all again. We'll see you next month. I cannot wait,
and Cell, go on, give us something spooky to wrap
it all up. Jax's too scary, too freaking scary. We
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