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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Conjuring up a lawsuit. Haunted real estate is big Bucks,
a mysterious burial site in ancient Scotland, and Bigfoot is
hanging out off of Interstate eighty. Get comforted towing off
the lights. It's Monthly Spooky. Well, my friends, not only

(00:30):
is it that time of the month, but it is
the last Monday of the year two thy and twenty five.
And I am, of course, your host Enrique Kuto here
with my good buddy and Monthly Spooky co host Michelle. Michelle,

(00:50):
how are you? You know?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Just like that and stuff.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Michelle acts all low key, but she shows up in
a Christmas sweater, which I love that she's wearing Christmas sweater.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I mean I've been wearing it for days though.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Now, yeah, because it's Christmas time. It's it's post Christmas,
but it's still Christmas time. You know. See where you are,
it's cold. It's not cold here right now.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I know. I looked at your weather a couple of
days ago because I wanted to see if you were
going to get the snow that everyone's good got here
and it said it's going to be really warm there.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, and and and we got an obscene amount of
snow like a week ago, like we we had we
had we had one big snowstorm and we had one
big freeze where it got to almost zero yeah, which
is really cold. I remember because I sent you the
screen cap of that and you were like, Wow, if
we hit that temperature, I just wouldn't have pipes anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
I am very grateful that my my my modest ranch
house has all of the plumbing centrally right at the
bathroom in the kitchen on either side of the wall.
You know, Like, I'm really glad it's all centralized, because
I very much I still will like drip my taps
if it gets that freaking cold, but I really doubt
as long as my house is heated that they would

(02:13):
ever freeze.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah. Also, you have a you're on a slab and
you only have one floor, so your pipes shouldn't even
be going in your walls really, I mean unless it's
got to get to a fixture or something.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
We have one pipe that goes to the front of
the house for a for a hose, but we shut
that off and drain it before the winter. I don't
even my mom used to just be like, up, it's
the end. Of the season. Shut it off. I use
it so little. I just shut it off when I'm
done with it, like I just turn because I have
it has a little shut off valve, and then you

(02:45):
just leave it open on the other side with like
a bucket under it in case it drips a little
or whatever. But that way, if there is any water
stuck in it, it won't burst it because it has
somewhere to go when it expands. Homeowner information yay, like
homeowner stuff. But no, it is. Of course, we're recording

(03:05):
this just actually just like a day before it airs,
really so it's still the post holiday glow and we're
heading into the new year, twenty twenty six. And but
how was your holiday? HL? Was it good?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah? It was. It was fine. Yeah, I just talked
was the family table?

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah? Yeah, look at you bragging.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I spent some time with my mom on Christmas Day.
On Christmas, even Rachel and I saw her family. And
on Christmas Day, my mom is weird about Christmas, so
like she'd be like, I don't want to do a
thing or whatever, like that's fine, and then she'd be like,
so I cooked lunch, like come over, and I'm like, oh,
my gosh, Mom, like it always ends up basically being
a Christmas thing after she says she doesn't want to

(03:54):
do a Christmas thing, and I'm like, that's fine, mom.
I remember for years she used to have me over Christmas.
Even she would make or dervs okay, and then when
and then she was like, I just like, it's just
so much work. I was like, Mom, I'll just bring
a pizza. It's not really the thing. And then she
every time at the last bit she's like, no, no,
I've cooked some stuff. And I'd be like, you are
doing this. No one is like, gee, sure, hope you

(04:16):
make X, Y and Z or else Christmas is ruined.
It's it's funny how that. I'm sure I'm basically that
way in some ways. But but no. We had a
good time and then came back to the house and
I cooked well, I glazed a ham because the ham
was already cooked, but I glazed ith, which was a
lot of work compared to like making a whole turkey.

(04:40):
It was like similar and it was literally a pre
cooked ham that I was glazing. Learned a lot though,
Next time I glaze a ham, I'll do a lot better.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I'm sure you did a good job.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Oh, it just took a really really long time because
I in hindsight, I was like, oh, if I had
just cut it in half and done two slabs, it
would have heated up faster. The glazing would have been easier.
But I was just doing the whole piece.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
It's like when you microwave things and you make them
into little pieces so they microwave better.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I don't do that, but that's cool. Well, when I
microwave something big, I just microw with it at a
lower power setting.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh like smart person.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, well it does take a long time, though. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
You can. You can take like, let's say you have
a piece of egg plant farmers on Huh, you can
cut it in half and then it will cook faster.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, and with glazing and ham it's even
better because more surface area means more crispy glazy parts.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
So, and the glaze was brown sugar, honey, Worcester shear
sauce and uh and dijon okay, which was really really good. Good.
So anyway, I haven't spoken of anything spooky so far,
fair enough, Uh, but no, it turned out really well.
And that was the third turkey I've made since Thanksgiving. Wow,

(06:00):
I am the king of Turkey. The third one it
was just as good as the other two. Holy moly,
I'm really good at making turkey good. Like, oh oh,
I made gravy from scratch, I made turkey stock. I'm
making turkey and dumplings tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
That sounds really nice.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, because I have a ton of turkey left over.
Because it was just me and Rachel and Keith came
by so because his family does Christmas on Christmas Eve too,
so I was like, well, then, homie, come over and
have dinner with us because we're just hanging out. Yeah,
And it would have been obscene if it had been
just us with a frigging We didn't have a whole turkey.
We just had a breath the breast. This time we
got like a whole two turkey breasts, so it wasn't

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quite as obscene as if we had a whole turkey
and a hole honey, big tam. But it was still
way too much food. I was like piling his plate
like please, please, please, just crying take more. So but no,
it was a good holiday. Did you get any gifts
of note or are you just hateful?

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I'm just hateful?

Speaker 1 (06:59):
I know, but.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, no, I I just asked for something because everyone
was like, what do you want?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
What do you want?

Speaker 2 (07:07):
So it was like, here, give me these things. So
I got those things my mom.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
I don't think I've told you about this yet. My
mother gave just hands me this basket with like, you know,
the paper in it, you know, to pull it out
to see what's in it, tis shoe it. It was
full of Portuguese stuff she had spent like a month buying,
like Portuguese sardines and anchovies and smoked muscles. She got

(07:38):
me Portuguese plums, which are like apparently like a delicacy.
They're they're like a sweet and dried plum that's like
a very specific style to Portugal. Just all these Portuguese
goodies that are like imported because Portugal has some of
the greatest seafood on earth because it's you know, a
massive amount of its of it is coastal in the

(08:01):
middle of the Mediterranean, right so or not the middle
of the Mediterranean, but you know what I mean, it's
near the Mediterranean. Don't ask me questions anymore. But it
was just really really thoughtful, and she got me an
apron that had like Portugal stuff all over it. Oh.
I just thought that was really sweet because like, yeah,
it's not where I get the Portuguese from. So it
was very sweet of her to like be thinking of

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me and be like, I bet he'd really love this,
and she was right cool, So that was really nice.
I only cried a little bit. I tried to hold
that back because that was just so insanely thoughtful.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah it really yeah, it really is.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
And she got me a record player, oh, which Amazon
ruined the surprise on because she had that sent to
me so I could open it in the morning and
they sent it in a clear plastic bag. I hate them,
and it was it was marked as like as a gift,
so Mom complained. They gave her a thirty dollars credit
for doing that, which was nice. I told her to
do that though, I said, like you can plain, they'll

(08:57):
give you something. But I hooked it up on Christmas
morning and could not get it to work. I was
struggling and struggling. Well, at first it was I'd put
the belt on wrong, so I redid it. But it's
bluetooth so I could keep it on one side of
my room and have it. I want to have it
streamed to my sound system, you know, because I have
a big change system. I'm messing with the Bluetooth because

(09:18):
there's no like app. It's just buttons, you know, press
a button, is it blinking? Is it not? So I'm
pressing all these buttons, and all of a sudden we
hear the music. Because I had gotten a bunch of
Christmas albums. Since I knew I was getting a record player,
I started buying albums. So we all of a sudden
we hear my like Christmas Blues album start playing. But

(09:40):
it's coming from somewhere else, so we're like, what the
we go into the kitchen. It's playing from our smart.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Stove, where that's where I'd wanted to play.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Apparently I didn't even know this. Our Spurs stove has
like a full Bluetooth speaker setting, so but then I
couldn't figure out how to disable it, so it just
kept only connecting that. So I had to put the stove
away from the wall and unplug it. Oh god, I'm
sure there was another way, but I was at that point.
I was like, I just wanted to listen to a
record while I unwrapped my presence.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
You could even unwrap them in the kitchen with the stove.
That would have been so nice.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
It is a really nice stove and it deserves a
thorough cleaning after what we put it through this holiday.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I would really like that though, Like I don't want
a smart stove, but I'd love if my stove could
connect to Bluetooth so I can play things.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
You could just you can just access YouTube and Spotify
in the stove. I knew that's really cool because the
touch screen on it is basically just an Android phone,
so you wow, go on the Internet and do all
kinds of stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
That was a housewarming gift last year. So my mother
was just like, get the nicest one. I was like, Mom,
that's stupid, and she was like that one, and I
was like, oh god, because literally my limit was like,
I don't need one that connects to the internet. It's fine.
And then I was like, you're going to get not
only is your connect to the internet, it connects the
most to the internet.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, I could do anything on the internet.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
My refrigerator connects to the internet in that you can
see your settings in an app. It doesn't like it
doesn't have a screen, it doesn't have speaker. You know.
It's just it's just smart enough, and you could do
everything through the panel as well. It's just you can
pull up your smart app and just be like, oh okay,
oh yeah, the deep freeze, turn that on. You know,
you can do whatever anyway. I see, I'm getting I'm

(11:25):
almost forty, and I'm really showing it now by talking
about home goods all the day, all the live long day.
But we're going to take a quick break and then
when we get back, we'll be talking about spooky news stories.
But I want to mention our topic today. I went
for something a little different because I've been talking a
lot about folklore and things like that. So this year
we're going to talk about an article I discovered about

(11:48):
how there was in the nineteen eighties, two tourists were
charged with murder at New Year's Eve in Times Square,
and forty years later their convictions were overturned. Oh okay, Yeah,
it's a really interesting story. So that'll be our topic
for this week, as well as talking about horror media,

(12:09):
et cetera, et cetera. But for now, we'll take a
quick break and be back with that spooky news for you.
And we're back and before we start. First of all,
I love that we start recording and Shell immediately begins
a big yawn. Sorry, it was it was perfect. It

(12:30):
was so well timed. I would like to believe you
did it on Porpoise.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Sure I did.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
But before we start with the news, I wanted to
mention that on Christmas Eve, I was sitting up watching
movies and I got a notification at like six o'clock
that I had this big package from FedEx and that
it was still on its way to be delivered. And
the app even said like the name of my delivery driver,

(12:57):
you know. It was like saying all this stuff, and
I was like, well, that's weird because I was like,
I didn't even expect to get that early. It was
a work thing, so I didn't even expect to get
it early. And I'm not even I don't even care
if it's delayed. But it was weird. It said it
was out for delivery. So at about nine o'clock I
checked the app again and it says it's still out
for delivery, and I was like, well, FedEx, does you
know they can be intense, but geez. So I went

(13:20):
and got twenty dollars and just sat it on the
coffee table, and I was like, man, if this actually comes, yeah,
I got to give that dot driver a tip because
like it's getting later and later. It didn't give up
until midnight. Then all of a sudden, the app was
just like, oh, yeah, it'll be there. We don't know
when it'll be there. And I was like, you gave
me like a moderate amount of guilt thinking this driver

(13:42):
was still to deliver a box of rigid insulation that
I don't even need before Christmas. You know, oh I
got that for my mother in law. Yeah Christmas. Yeah,
well I know that shell that's what you asked for
for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
But one got me rigid insulation. I'd be like, yeah,
because I need it.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
So the face you're making makes me think you don't
need rigid insulation.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
No, I just just trying to decide what I would
need it for exactly.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
It's the good stuff rock wool seven oh three hmmm. Yeah.
I make acoustic panels with it.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
That's nice. I don't like my wall to be made
of rocks. But I understand.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Wait did I say rock woll You did?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
And that's right.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
No, it's not rock wol. It's sorry, it's it's no,
this is Owen's Corning seven O three. I got confused. Yeah, no,
this is fiberglass.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Oh oh gross. I mean it's good stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
I just well, it's rigid, so like you have to
like rip at it to get the part of particulates.
Like it's it's like a nice solid board. So but
I did meet rock. Those are the only two brands
I deal with this, Rockwool and Owen's Corning. So of
course I said the wrong one. But anyway, uh, that

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being said, was happy that our driver, whose name on
the app was Billy, was not actually delivering my rigid
insulation at eleven thirty at night on Christmas Eve.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't have I did have an Amazon
driver deliver something to me last week after nine, which
it was actually super annoying because I wasn't even sure
it came because I used my mom's Amazon, so I
don't get the notification and it just ended up sitting
out overnight because I didn't know because they didn't ring

(15:31):
the doorbell, which you should if it's that late, so
I can ring the package inside.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
The argument could be made not to ring the doormill
because it's that late. Fine, whatever, I mean I had
the post office postal workers dropping stuff off after eight
or nine like three times over the last couple of weeks.
So yeah, the post Office. You could really tell when
they started kicking in the mandatory overtime because everything I
was mailing was taking like quite a while. And then

(15:58):
all of a sudden, I get a notification that like
all the things I've been waiting for are all coming
on the same day, like the twenty second, and I
was like, oh.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, yeah, I had something that was coming. It was
a gift for my brother, and it was like, oh,
it'll be here on the twenty six and I was
like that's a while, and it's like it's coming today
on the twenty first.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I was like, oh, okay, sure, though I'm still waiting
for your gift.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Damn it.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I don't know if it's uh, I think it might be.
I don't know if it made it to Dayton today
or not, so we'll have to see. It's probably coming today.
They said it was gonna be here yesterday, but it
was it was only it was in Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
So I love when they do that, when they're like
it's out and it's like you're not even in my
town yet.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Not even in my state yet. Yeah. Well you know
it's the thought that probably counts hurtful since I got
your present nice and early, but you did, yeah well yours,
but yours is handmade so now, but mine was picked
with thought. You know what. I'm tired of you judging
me all rights without even more ado. Let's get in

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to the spooky news, the spooky new use so to
end the year, I thought we would go with tradition.
This spooky news story is from Mirror dot co dot uk. Wow,
yeah it's it was published yesterday, so it is brand new.

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Headline reads policeman takes photo of deadly car crash before
noticing truly chilling detail.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I mean it is a car crash.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
You find car crashes truly chilling? Yeah yeah, me too.
Actually yeah. A policeman claimed to see the exact moment
a crash victim's spirit left his body after looking at
photo looking back at photos of the scene. So the
photo they've included is a obscenely blurry image of a car,

(17:53):
like the camera is clearly not being held steadily, Like
there's streams of stuff all over it, and it looks
to me like steam or smoke or fog. It's a
pretty awful image. I would show it to you Chell,
but that thing isn't working right now.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh that's okay.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
John Bullwear was killed in a horrific car crash outside.
Oh wow, this is from back in the day. That
explains why the car looks so old. Okay was killed
in a horrific car crash outside of Saint Paul, Minnesota,
on December twenty seventh, nineteen eighty four. Oh this is
but this was published yesterday, this article the teenager. Well,

(18:32):
it's Mirrore, Dakota, you k there, Like, where's we gotta
find ghost stuff? Right now? We got to move the eighties.
Check the eighties. See if there's any tubular ghost stories. Bro.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
The teenager had been on his way to watch mega
star Prince play in his hometown of Minneapolis, just twenty
minutes away. Oh jeez, I wonder if he stopped to
purify himself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka. Maybe you
need to see Purple Rain. Yeah, the Prince movie.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
The best part about Purple Rain I only saw it
a few years ago. The best part about Purple Rain
is that Prince is supposed to be like a really
tough dude, and he's Prince. There's a part where like
he gets hit and he's like, ah, like and you're
just like, yeah, that's Prince. I like Prince, but that's Prince.
Prince is not a tough guy. He also just like

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at one point, just like whax, his love interest like
hits her like right across the face and I wasn't
expecting it, so I burst into laughter in a movie
theater because I just was not ready. I was like,
there's no way he's gonna just cold cock apollonia. Oh yeah,
he colds. Yeah. But Purifying Yourself in the Waters of
Lake Minnatonka is one of my favorite gags in the movie. Basically,

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he's riding around on a motorcycle because he's a tough
guy with this woman that's in love with him, and
he tells her like, if you love me, would you
purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka, Because you know,
he's from Minnesota and he was very proud of it.
He wanted everything he did to be about Minnesota. So
she says she would. So she gets in the water
and it's freezing cold, and she like kind of like

(20:09):
what you know, dips herself in it, and she's like
all freezing cold, and he's like laughing, and she's like, there,
I did it. He's like, well, there's one problem. That's
not Lake Minnetonka. And I I always think that that's
not Lake Minnetonka. Oh yeah. But he tragically lost his
life after the car he was in careened off the
road and smashed into a tree. YouTuber mister Ballin explained

(20:32):
that sixteen year old John had been in the front
passenger seat of the car at the time of the collision.
He was being driven alongside three of his friends, one
who was behind the wheel of the car. According to
the testimony's, weather conditions have been particularly poor that night,
but the pals were so excited for the concert they
didn't care. This is why you have to be careful

(20:54):
with how much you liked. Prince. Yeah, your face is
so pained.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I mean I was going to say, like, don't drive
when it's bed outside and things, but yeah, Prince.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
But Prince. Yeah. But they were blasting music and chatting
with each other. The teens were thrilled to make their
way to Indiana or to Minneapolis and watch what mister
balland described as their hometown hero. John turned to his
friends in the back to exclaim how happy he was
to be seeing the Purple Rain singer. But it was
at this moment that the driver lost control. I don't
know how they would know that. Oh, somebody might have lived.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I think it sounds like some of them lived.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, sending the car off the road and hitting a tree.
Police were called the scene just minutes later and found
John dead in the front passenger seat. Miraculously, the other
three occupants of the car escaped with minor injuries, but
were otherwise deemed okay. Officers to be okay, they're never
going to be okay because they missed Prince. Yeah, officer,

(21:53):
But what if it was like the police immediately took
the boys the rest of the way to the concert. Yeah, officer,
brown Coil. I know, I may bee sounding really heartless
making these jokes. It was forty one years.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Ago, so what it doesn't matter because it was a
long time ago.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yes, okay, it's a mirror dot co dot UK article.
It's hard to Yeah, it's hard to not taunt them
a little bit, officer. Holy crap, Uh, that is much scarier.
They zoomed in on a part of the image. And
now I'm actually kind of weirded out.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Oh yay.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Officer Brown Coyle had the unenviable task of taking pictures
of the scene and John's dead body on his phone.
What that doesn't make any sense? This says nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Um, there were phones in nineteen eighty.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Four on his phone.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
I maybe somebody just fucked up.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
I think they just missed yeah, because they like.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Didn't understand that there were cell phones just hanging out
and around everyone in nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
I guess so. But it wasn't until he looked back
at the photos that he noticed something eerie. In one picture,
a blurry photo of the wrecked jeep can be seen
still hoisted against the tree that claimed John's life. However,
in the top right hand corner, a flash of yellowish
light can be seen that seems to be in the
shape of a face that bears a startling resemblance to John.

(23:27):
It actually does. It looks like a screaming face. Oh
good with like a white guy with brown hair. It
looks a lot like him. Wow, I'm honest. Wow, it's creepy.
We're gonna take a quick break and when we get back.
We'll talk more about this, But that image, I'm not
gonna lie. When they enhance it and zoom it in,
it does look very eerie. Right after this, all right,

(23:59):
we're back and I've shown Shell the images in question. Yeah,
and I loved your reaction when you saw the image.
That gave me the reaction like, whoa, it really does
look like a screaming face m hm, right above the
wrecked car.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
So what you were saying, it's you feel it's very
much paradolia, which is the finding of faces in images.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, I think I said it's probably paradolia because because
I'm a person, so I can't be objective on how
I look at things. My brain's doing things all the time.
But it really looks like a face with hair that's screaming,
and it's kind of upsetting, honestly.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
And it does look like John a little. It like
resembles him a bit. Yeah, quite a bit. Actually, yeah,
it's a little bit.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
It's a little unnerving because I could I mean, if
somebody was like, no, that's totally a ghost, I'd be like,
I mean, I can't say that it's not.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Honestly, it looks like a Yeah, like a side profile
of man's screaming. There is one possibility that I thought
of immediately, though, It is that because the photo is
so blurry. Yeah, like it really is blurry. It's like
a horribly taken photo. What if it's a double exposure

(25:18):
and the other picture was a really shitty blurry picture
of John's corpse.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I mean, that would be terrible because.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
The moving of the camera could make it look like
it's screaming when in reality it was just a body
laying there.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I mean, yeah, it's possible.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
That's my first thought, because it looks it looks too
much like a face for me to feel comfortable saying
it's just paradolia, because it even has shoulders. Um, yeah,
it even has like kind of shoulders, like if he
was wearing flannel. That that's what it looks like to me.
But of course, now I'm.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Just now, I was just seeing that as like a blur,
the area that you see his shoulders.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
So some believe it was John spirit shouting as he
hovers over the scene of the crime. The collection of light,
as mister Balin explains, looks eerily similar to John Bolwaar's
face and seems to capture the moment of John's spirit
departing earth. Mister Balin continued, this is showing his final
moment of life when he died, screaming as the car

(26:21):
is about to crash into this tree while he's taken
some liberties. YEA, I like mister Balin, but he's a
really good storyteller. He added that when this photo was
released to the public, there was a huge response from
people who argued whether or not it was real. Officer
Coyle remains to this day flummixed by what he caught.

(26:42):
He said, quote on the side of the picture of
the vehicle facing the driver's door above the vehicle, above
about even with where the front passenger seat would be sitting,
there was a clear image of a face. It appeared
to be in agony a scream. It had distinct hair
and a distinct profile. However, Coil adds, they could explain
some of the small things that are in each picture,

(27:04):
but each of them told me they can't explain all
of the things that are going on in one picture.
There's no explanation in my mind, and the experts haven't
been able to give me an explanation either.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
I guess it's I guess we'd have to know what
the other pictures looked like to know if this is
a double exposure too.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, I mean we have yeah, we don't have any
of the other.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Pictures I thought I would have, like crime scene pictures.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
No, because I swear, I mean, it looks enough like
a face that I think it is. But also I
know enough about double exposure to know that he's he
falls off at the shadows, and that's what double exposure does,
only the bright image is captured and everything dark is lost.
So it looks like double exposure to me. Absolutely yeah.

(27:53):
And it looks and it looks to be just as
distorted and shaky, shakily taken as the initial Both photos
look really really distorted from a shaky hand. But that
is one of the more I actually was not expecting
to be that freaked out. Yeah, usually when especially when
it's weerdor dot code at UK. But yeah, but when

(28:13):
it's when it says like a picture police officer captures,
you know, ghost in photo, I'm like, uh cool, I'm sure,
I will, I'm sure, all care And then it's uh yeah,
yeah that was pretty freaky. So but with that all said, Shell,
this is an article for you Oh, this is from

(28:39):
Nbcpalmsprings dot com and the headline is Ghosts Welcome the
surprisingly hot market for haunted homes.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Huh Palm Springs.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I mean, that's where the article comes from. So we'll
we'll see what what more we discover. At first glance,
a haunted home might seem like a deal breaker. Strange stories,
eerie legends, and whispers of paranormal activity that can give
some buyers pause. Yeah, but what about the like, what
about the you know, what's the uh, what's the big

(29:14):
on the mortgage? Like, now that's the interest rate. Let's see.
But in this edition of Property Perspectives, real estate expert
Sorry Harner of California Vibes dot Net explains why a
spooky reputation doesn't always hurt a home's market value, and
in some cases can actually help it stand out. Sorry

(29:34):
says While some buyers are immediately turned off by the
idea of a haunted house, others are intrigued. So Shell,
would you be one of the intrigued?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
No, No, not really, I mean not intrigued in the
I'm going to buy it way. I'm intrigued. Maybe I'd
like to go there and check it out. But I
don't really want a house that is noticeably haunted. No
offense to anything in my house.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I love that it was noticeably haunted. Yes, that that
is honestly the best part.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, well, I mean what can you do if there's
just things? But if the things are like touching me
and saying like, hey, you got to do stuff. I
don't want that.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
So give me a couple of examples of noticeably haunted.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Like if like you, I don't know, like things, let's
let's do the classic, like cabinet doors open all the
time even though you're not.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I was gonna say, doesn't that could just be bad
cabinet tree.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Right, I mean you'd have to be really like off
to have them opening all the time, especially it's all
of them. I would kind of be worried that maybe
things aren't secured properly that.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Oh, like secured against ghosts.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, yeah, they didn't. They didn't do that ghost securing.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
These cabinets are so well made they hold spirits inside
them until you open them in order to fetch a
cup of sugar or your favorite mug. That's they don't
make them like they used to, you know, No, you
just go into the cabinets just like the Ark of
the Covenant. It's like it's like the exact same thing,
except as a cabinet. Now m hm, you're like, wow,

(31:29):
so that'll hold in all of the old world gods. Yeah,
sure will.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, And I saft closing doors, but you shouldn't use
them because you want to close it really fast.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I wasn't ready for that. That was That was good.
We're gonna take We're gonna take a quick break, and
then we'll learn some more about the market values of
haunted houses after this. All right, we're back. I managed

(32:09):
to regain my composure after Sheell's comments about slow clothes.
All right, so sorry, says. While some buyers are immediately
turned off by the idea of haunting, others are intrigued.
For certain shoppers, a home's history adds character and charm,

(32:30):
especially if the property is older or architecturally unique.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Well I mean sure.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Some buyers even see these homes as conversation starters or
opportunities to own something that's truly one of a kind.
There's also a practical side to the appeal. Homes with
a stigma, including those rumored to be haunted, may sometimes
be priced more competitively.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, that's my favorite, like trope line when the house
is like the walls are bleeding and stuff is like,
how do you think we got the place so cheap?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Mmm?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Remember did you watch Clarisa Explains at all when you
were a kid?

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I loved Clarissa. Were you a big Clarissa fan? Yeah?
She was so cool. She was cool, Like you want
to hang out with her?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I mean not really, I don't want to hang out
with people, but.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
You know, well, there was the Halloween episode where she
convinces Ferguson that the house was built like when the
house was being built, a guy was like killed, a
bad guy was murdered and put into the foundation of
the base of an unfinished basement and it was theirs,
and he was like that's how he got the house
so cheaping. And the part that kills me about that
now is that Ferguson goes, what do you mean Dad's

(33:50):
always complaining about the mortgage. That's the part I love
because I'm like, it is a really big house, like
because it's a sitcom, so so he says, but Dad's
always complaining about the mortgage. That always maybe made me
laugh like a ton as an adult. Yeah. But her
response to that was you're like, well he does that
because he always says then you'll never know about it

(34:14):
and like them anyway. So let's see. There are the
practical site uh that can that can attract buyers who
are less concerned about ghost stories and more focused on
square footage, location or long term investment potential.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, I get I got it.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
I wouldn't feel like long term investment potential is the thing.
If you're getting a place cheap because it's known to
be haunted or ghastly or something.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well what if you go there and you're like, oh,
I don't believe in ghosts. So next time I list this,
we're not going to talk about ghost because they're not
going to be any ghosts.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, because I'm gonna kick all their asses.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
And yeah, they gotta pay rent, and then it really
is good investment potential.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Oh that's good. Yeah, yeah, pay in ghost bucks, no
real money money. Oh oh okay, they have to get jobs.
Oh wow, Okay, I like this. I like this task
Master cell that we're seeing on the show. Disclosure rules
also play a role. In some states, sellers are required

(35:18):
to disclose certain events or conditions tied to a property,
while in others paranormal activity falls into a gray area. Sorry.
Notes that understanding local disco disclosure laws is key for
both buyers and sellers, especially when a home has a
well known reputation. Yeah yeah, sorry, adds that there's a

(35:42):
niche group of buyers who actively seek out haunted or
historically significant homes. I believe that one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
I think it's interesting that they're combining the two haunted
and then historically significant, because like, I don't I don't
want a home that is actually significantly noticeably haunted, but
I'd like a homele that's historically significant.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I feel like those kind of go hand in hand
because even like I feel like all historically significant places
come with at least mild ghost stories.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I mean, my mom's last house was built into sixteen hundreds,
and they were pretty convinced that they did not have
any ghosts at all there.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
And yet that place was a nightmare.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
It was Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
So I think it was haunted. Okay, maybe not, but well,
you know, the whole ghost story or haunted house story
thing became huge in the seventies and eighties because people
were we were having one of the biggest home buying
runs in America in American history. So people were like
full of anxiety about houses. Yeah, what if the walls bleed?

(36:47):
What if the foundation is cracked? What if? What if
a voice yells get out? What if the plumbing's bad?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Oh, what if the wiring is just a mess and
you find out because you decided to treat yourself to
a ceiling fan?

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah mm hmmah, I don't want.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
To talk about it. So, uh, my house is wiring
is that's the sound of me knocking on wood is
surprisingly good.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I mean, based on when your house was built, as
long as they weren't using aluminum. But you're wiring, you're
you're fine, Like I mean, I mean you could end
up with like some like cloth covered stuff and maybe
some conduit not conduit the things and they go in
the place, doesn't matter. They're but like you're past like

(37:36):
knob and job and all that weird stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
So yeah, well, and my my, my electrician lives in
the house in this neighborhood, so he's like really familiar
with how to work with these places, although he does
recommend if I want to expand the house at all anymore,
as far as electricity that I should get like a
new thing, like a higher amperage. Yeah, yeah, I guess,

(37:58):
And that's going to be a few grand and so
I'm not going to be doing that anytime, so, but
it would be good. He said that the one in
there is pretty pretty low power. Yeah, it was probably
put in like this and like, oh wait, no, we
put it in. Yeah, my mother put it in when
we were finally getting a breaker box instead of a
fuse box.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah. Wow, maybe you're wiring, isn't Okay, I didn't. I
didn't realize they still had fuses when you were having
when your house was around.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Oh yeah they did. Yeah, I remember, because we had
a box of fuses in the junk drawer for you
during thunderstorms and stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Okay, fine, pick on my damn house. You're mean.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Well now I'm like, now, I'm like, well, that's actually
pre all of that like aluminum stuff, because that was
in like the really scary breaker boxes and things. So
now I'm like, maybe you do have knock tube.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Maybe you do have all the bad wires, don't have
knob and tube. Okay, I know that.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I believe you.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
You're mean, okayell, just try that you're just like, I
don't I want to see you not sleep at night
anymore from that. For them, the eerie factor is in
a drawback. It's part of the appeal. In some cases,
that uniqueness can even become a selling point, helping a

(39:16):
listed listing attract attention in a crowded market. M So,
how was a little bummed when you didn't buy a
haunted house?

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I almost did.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Which one did you look at that was haunted?

Speaker 2 (39:32):
There was a house in Sharon Hill that I loved.
It was a little tutor house sitting there in the ground,
and I was terrified of it. I went inside and
I felt very uncomfortable, and my thought was, I don't
know if i'd want to be here alone. I don't

(39:53):
know what that was. My sister also, because I I
just was, I kind of wrote it off and I
showed my mom and my sister, and my sister was like,
that house is really scary, Like, no, do not buy it.
I didn't end up buying it because it had a
shared driveway.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Oh no way, no way, that's way worse than a ghost.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Well, I mean, it's really bad and it's the only
thing I can confirm that it had but I loved
that house, except that I was really scared in there.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
I should have bought it. Well, except the driveway. I
couldn't get over the driveway.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
No, and I talked to the neighbor and they were like, oh,
you know, we switch our cars back and forth, like
if you got to go out at this time. I
was like no, no.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
No, no, no, we have a whiteboard. Yeah, no, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I'll just I'll park on the street.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
I well, we're gonna take quick what the heck, We're
gonna take a quick break and we'll be back with
even more spooky news after this shell. What say we
head to Scotland.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, so if you want to.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
What do you have against Scotland? No?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Nothing. Apparently there are one of the few countries that
that isn't that thing a country? Yep, that's exact country.
That's exactly what I was going to say. They're not
anti Semitic, according to what the hell I was something in?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Okay, fair enough, Well this is going uh, this is
going way back.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
This from LiveScience dot com. Thirty three hundred year old
cremations found in Scotland suggest that people died in a
mysterious catastrophic event. M And I don't think they were jewsed,
so you're probably still right. Yeah, five earns holding cremated

(41:58):
remains from thety three hundred years ago have been discovered
in Scotland. Archaeologists have discovered the thirty three Sorry it
says it the same thing like, it's probably for seo.
It says it like five times.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
That's not good.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Archaeologists have discovered the thirty three hundred year old cremated
remains of at least eight people who were buried in
five urns in Scotland. Burying eight people in five earn,
I mean, I guess that math is a little weird
to me.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, sometimes you just gotta share gurns.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, it's just it's a normal thing there.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
While it's unknown how they died, it was likely during
some sort of catastrophic event. The finding is unusual because
although many Bronze Age burial spots in Scotland were reused
over the years, the newfound cremations tell a different story,
the researchers wrote in a new study published recently in
the Journal of Archaeological Reports Online. In this case, the

(42:52):
urns were tightly arranged, giving the impression of being buried
collectively and then remaining undisturbed except for modern play modern
plow damage. The team wrote, I just realized I almost
never read the word plow.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
The individuals were found in the remains of a barrow,
a burial mound made of earth and rocks. The urns
were in the center of the barrow in a three
foot wide burial pit, and were surrounded by a ring
of rocks. The archaeologist noted in the study. Organic materials
in the burial, including charcoal, enabled the team to radio
carbon date it to about fourteen thirty nine to twelve

(43:29):
eighty seven BC.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I mean that seems like that's a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Maybe seems like it. Yeah, that's a little bit ago, Yeah,
a little while three of the urns each contained the
remains of an adult and a juvenile, while the other
two each contain only one adult. Oh, you know, we
don't want to say like, oh, it's sad they're alone or.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
No, because I don't know what the reason they're that
was with the juvenile. Maybe they didn't those people didn't,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Maybe it's proudly child free.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah. Yeah, well, it's weird that you'd be buried with
your child, because that means your child died.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I think that's why they think it was a catastrophe.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah, so that's why I didn't say, Oh, it's sad
that they're alone.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Okay, no, No, that's that's fair. No, you that's totally fair. Yeah,
you're like, why couldn't they bury you with the kid anyway?
I mean yeah, I mean got a respect. Yeah, like
in old India when they put the wives in the pyres.
The burial was found at twenty Shilling Hill, which is

(44:42):
near twenty Shilling Hill wind Farm in southwest Scotland. What
a coincidence. That's weird. During the excavations conducted in twenty
twenty and twenty twenty one while an access road to
the wind farm was being built. The excavations were conducted
by a team from Guard Archaeology, a company that undertakes
archaeological excit ovations during or before construction. Quote. The discovery

(45:04):
of five urns tightly packed together at the same time
in one mask burial event is very rare and distinguishes
the twenty Shilling barrow from the other barrows in Scotland,
the researcher wrote in the report. The team suspect these
eight individuals likely died around the same time during a
terrible event. It's unclear what that event was, but it
could have been famine, disease, or war. Roman Toolis, CEO

(45:28):
of Guard Technology, told Live Science or Live Science via email.
They suspect the individuals died around the same time because
the urns appear to have been made by the same
crafts person. Toulas said. Also, during that time, it was
common for deceased people in this region to be left
out long enough for their flesh to decompose before they

(45:49):
were cremated. In this instance, however, the team found that
the individuals still had some of their flesh when the
cremation was done.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Interesting. I guess it.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Indicates that they they were to be cremated in a hurry.
So what's your theory? You got a theory?

Speaker 2 (46:05):
I think that the hurry thing. Maybe maybe it was
there was like a plate or something. I don't know
what you said.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Is it the holidays? Like they were like, I'll just
get this done real quick.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, yeah, I can't leave these out when people are
coming over.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Celebrating. Uh uh, you know the pre birth of Christ
or something. Oh yeah, before that Uh, these people would
have been farmers, Tulis said. He noted that they that
they likely lived near the burial spot, although their settlement
has not been found. This is quote an area of
Scotland where few such archaeological remains have so far been discovered,

(46:46):
so future research may reveal much more about the context
of this barrow. Toulis said, So weird new uh new,
Uh the new a burial site just dropped dog?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah yeah, why not, right, I mean, I guess.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
I mean, I will say, you know, being an American,
it is weird to hear like they found a like
three thousand, three hundred year old burial site when it's
like around here. Three hundred years is like whoa, yeah
that was forever ago. And then they say that it's like, oh,
I guess there was no written text from them, because

(47:30):
you know, people were still deeply illiterate, deeply huh truly illiterate. Well,
I mean there was no printing press.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, you don't need a printing press to read. There
were people who were reading before the printing press, yeah,
just doing handwritten books.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
But it's harder because if there are less books, then
there's less impetus to learn to read because there's less
to read.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I mean, or I mean possibly nothing to read if
all the books are in you know, places that do
not have access.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
To Yeah, I mean only the wealthy and powerful would
would generally be able to read. So that's one of
those things we take for granted in the modern era.
Yeah whatever, when we get back, we're going to talk
about a lighter, funeral, one with a little bit more

(48:26):
fun to it. Oh, right after this, so Shell, This
one is from upworthy dot com, which I hadn't heard
from upworthy in a while.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Me too.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
I remember when they were awesome because all he posted
was like positive stuff, and then they started posting really
negative stuff. I stop reading them.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I didn't know that they did anything except for post
positive stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
They started posting like really negative stuff because I'd see
it go viral on social media and I'd be like,
I really loved when it was positive all the time.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
So but this one, this headline caught my attention immediately.
It's from December twenty second, so it's very recent. Headline
is son writes wildly funny obituary for his dad and
the Internet is loving it. And then under it the
quote is he is God's problem now. So I thought
this was really charming and I wanted to share it.

(49:32):
The photo at the top is a guy probably our
age with his older dad, and his dad has a
cigarette in his hand and he's like, like making a
really awkward face. It's really funny. Obituaries mostly serve as
an acknowledgment of loss and celebration of the deceased person's life. However,
when Robert Adolph Boham whoe, Yeah, that's a choice of

(49:55):
middle names, Boham passed away, Oh oh, that's the dab. Yeah,
when he's that old, it's like Adol anyway, we're gonna
move on his son, Or when Charles Adolf Boham passed
away his son, Charles Boham chose to set aside the
usual somber tone of obituaries and write something more lighthearted

(50:17):
and memorable. Robert had recently passed away at the age
of seventy four after falling and hitting his head in
his Clarendon, Texas apartment. Since the forty one year old
Charles had never penned an obituary before he decided to
google some ideas and stumbled upon an old obituary for
Joe Heller on legacy Joe Heller a quote. Joe Heller

(50:40):
made his last undignified and largely irreverent gesture on September eighth,
twenty nineteen, signing off on a life, in his words,
generally well lived and with few regrets. The obituary for
Heller read per Washington Post, the quote when the doctors
confronted his daughter with the news last week that your
father is very a very sick man in Unison, they replied,

(51:03):
you have no idea. This inspired Charles to craft a
similarly unique obituary for his own father, as he too
was an eccentric character. HM, has anybody ever written you
an obituary?

Speaker 2 (51:20):
I don't know. They haven't shared it with me. If
they have, maybe lots of people.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
I suppose you'd have to die first, right.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
I mean no, I mean someone who hates me might
write an obituary for me just to have it ready.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Oh yeah, but but why would they Why would they
want to like give an obituary if they didn't like you?

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Maybe it's really mean mean, Okay, do you when it
comes to like major grief, how how much does does
humor play into your recovery?

Speaker 2 (51:55):
It's honestly, I don't really know, probably not at all.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you like dark humor.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I do, but I don't know. I mean, there's I
haven't had an experience where I've recovered from grief, so
I'm not well.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Recovered is a strong word. Yeah, grief is a very
hard and very multifaceted thing. I think recovered is a
simplification of what you actually do. You know, you just
kind of grow around it and continue eventually to some

(52:36):
extent way to bring down the tone. Geez. Yeah, but no,
it's okay to not know. I just was curious. I know.
I go lean heavily into humor. I can't help it, Like,
I can't even help it at all. Like the moment
things are really dark is when my brain is like
make a joke, now, do it now? And I have

(52:57):
to be like, I don't even know if that's a
good idea. But when it's my own grief, I am reckless.
I make all the jokes that are offensive because I
don't care, because I'm the one struggling. So you don't
like it, I'll tell you quote that sounds like something
my dad would do. Charles told the Outlet he made
a lot of obscene gestures. As a result, the obituary

(53:21):
written by him looked something like this quote. Robert Adolph Boham,
in accordance with his lifelong dedication to his own personal
brand of decorum, muttered his last unintelligible and likely unnecessary
curse on October sixth, twenty twenty four, shortly before tripping
backward over some over quote, some stupid thing and hitting

(53:43):
his head on the floor. Robert was born in Winters, Texas,
to the late Walter Boham and Betty Smith on May sixth,
nineteen fifty, after which God immediately and thankfully broke the
mold and attempted to cover up the evidence. It's a
cute p sure of him with two dogs with his dogs.

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The Sun included some funny anecdotes from his dad's life,
like the time Robert accidentally blew two holes in his
car's dashboard after a shooting practice session.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Oh no.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Robert was also a fashionable character, often spoiled, sporting trendy moccasins,
unconventional hats, and bold mismatched colors in his shirts and pants.
I feel attacked right now. I literally was wearing moccasins
yesterday yeah, Oh, well, I was wearing a Santa hat,
so I guess that's fashionable hat. Unconventional fashionable hat. Quote.

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We have all done our best to enjoy slash weather
Robert's antics up to this point, but he is God's
problem now. Charles wrote at the end of the obituary,
inviting funeral attendees to wear whatever outdated or inappropriate attire
they preferred. He sent the obituary to Robertson Funeral Directors,
the Clarendon mortuary that was handling his dad's cremation. Chuck Robertson,

(55:04):
the mortuary owner, started chuckling when he read the obituary.
In his defense, he always chuckles when he reads obituaries
because he's thinking about a boat. Yeah. No, I have
no reason to hate on that guy.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
He's a nice guy. He just thinks that all obituaries
are delightful and funny.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
They should be. Yeah, to an extent maybe maybe, No, No, no, okay, fine,
geez he really shut that down quick. Huh no, no, no,
now you're just straight gas lamping me.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
No, no, no, that's you.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
I'm just sounding crazy right now. Yeah, I love this
because I feel like stuff like this can really show
how much you love somebody to like play it up
in a different way than one might expect. Yeah, this
is the kind of thing that makes me. It makes
me happy to be a human. I feel like that's
a special thing we have humor, you know, to be

(56:05):
able to share a release of all that stress and
strain and pain. Yeah, And there's something special about when
you make somebody laugh, like that moment that you just
like because you can't really most humor is hard to
put your thumb on why it's funny. It just is.
And a lot of times you can make people laugh

(56:27):
really hard if you know them, because knowing them really
allows you to get a I don't know. Yeah, just
there's something just beautifully human about about that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
That's just my personal opinion. And we're going to continue
reading about this because this is a piece not only
about that specific obituary, but also how humor helps people
handle grief. Right after this, continuing the article, humor often

(57:02):
helps people navigate the emotional weight of loss and connect
with memories in ways that feel comforting rather than overwhelming.
A twenty twenty four qualitative study published in Omega Journal
of Death and Dying, which is where I go to
read funny information.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Found that humor can play a dual emotional role in bereavement.
For many people, it can evoke intense memories and waves
of grief, but for most it also serves as a
way to manage or live with their grief by bringing
moments of relief and connection. That's basically what I said.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
It is basically what you said.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Yeah, just put better.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
I like the way you put it.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Oh you. Participants in the study described how laughing about
funny memories or sharing humor with others help them feel
more grounded and less overwhelmed during the grieving process. These
findings show that while humor can sometimes trigger sadness, it
also helps some mourners hope and find emotional balance as

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they heal. Yeah, Shell's like, No, it doesn't do that.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
I mean, if that's what you want, I guess.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
If that's what you want, if you want more emotional
balance and relief than.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Fine, I mean it didn't sound like what I was
gonna I was trying for.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
But sure sounds pretty lame to me.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Robertson shared Boham's note on the Mortuaries Facebook page, where
it reached a wider audience. Charles further told the news
outlet that his father was a jolly fellow, but he
had struggled after the death of his wife, Diane in
February of twenty twenty four. Quote. When I tried to
get him some mental health help, he admitted to me

(58:43):
he was scared and wanted me there with him, He revealed.
Are you are you mad that he saw it mental
health help? You're like, just tough it out. You're yeah,
damn it.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah, you don't need help, and you certainly don't need
your son with you to have help.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Nothing. You know, there's nothing quite as good as a
Michelle scold. Let me tell you something, man, you would
be my favorite professional wrestler, because that's how what when
professional wrestlers cut, they call him promos when they start
talking to the camerao. Let me tell you something. When
it comes down to the blah blah blah blahlah, you
would be amazing at that because when you dressed down,
it is very amusing to me.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
I mean that a positive way. Thanks, okay, fine, whatever
You're mean to me, and nobody believes it. Quote. We
all visited him when we could, and the good people
at Clarendon looked in on him and helped him out
a lot, but it was hard for him looking at
my mom's empty chair and I'm six hundred miles away.
Oh that's rough.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Fuck?

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Are you okay? That hurt? That hit me too, Like
realized he was far.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Away, him being scared and wanting his son to be
there like that, all of that is just like oh god, okay.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah, no, it just hit me harder when I I
didn't realize there was distance too, right, right, because you know,
if you had been if you had been forty five
minutes away, it's like that's still a lot. But when
it's like you're six I mean, I know you're six
hundred miles from me, give and take, Like I know
how far that is. Yeah, can't just you know, decide
on Tuesday morning and I'll just swing by for dinner. Yeah,
although I will do that to you sometime, just for

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the walls. So make sure you make that that weird
uh fermented soybean sticky stuff. Okay, I liked it, I
actually really did. I've thought about it since then.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Oh good, I have thought about it in London. Am
I should I ever eat that again? Because it preceded
all the really terrible things.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
I think it's better to just think it was me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Okay, I think it's the not though, but that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Do you think it was not though and not the
hot pot?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
No, I actually don't know. It wasn't hot It wasn't
the hot pot because that was the day before. But oh,
I mean, honestly, who knows. I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
I mean I think that over you know, uh, just
eating more than you're used to because you eat a
very you don't eat a lot could have just triggered it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
My doctor thinks that I got that that it was
food poisoning and then it just messed up my system.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, which would be wild because it hot pot. It's
not like you were scarfing down beef for anything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
You Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Yeah, I'm impressed you would get food poisoning at all
because you eat your vegetarian and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Yeah, but that doesn't mean you can't get food poisoning.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I know, I just I always imagine people get food
poisoning from meat, mostly poultry, but meat.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Did did you hear about all the lasteria outbreaks that
are like lettuce or spinach or something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
That is true? That's a that's a very fair point. Yeah,
thank god, I don't eat lettuce m all right. Back
to the sad suite. Robert worked various jobs to support
his family before eventually settling into a career as a
truck driver. Okay, I could see that fitting his personality
from what we given. Truck drivers are often very very

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different people like, they're very you know, individual people. Have
you ever been friends with a truck driver?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
No, I've met one too late.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
You already are because you have there. You're talking to
them right now. Oh Hi, we have truck driver listeners.
They write in.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
That's cool because I like truck drivers and I look
at them when I drive past them to see who
they are, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
They also look at best so they don't hit me.
Do you ever do the thing where you ask them
to honk the horn?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
I feel like that that's unnecessary and I don't want
to bother them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
If I was a truck driver, which I almost was.
If I was a truck driver, I would be like,
I'd be so sad when people don't ask me, no,
honk horn.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
I guess I could ask them, but I just feel
like I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
I don't want to you know, all you're doing is
saying like trucks are awesome. Do the thing. M I
guess so, but uh. Quote for a while, my parents
were Oh my god, my heart. My parents were team drivers,
and for at least a year or two I actually
lived on the truck with them. Oh wow, the son mentioned,
do you know what team drivers are like?

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
They would drive together.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Yeah. Yeah. A lot of truck trucking companies will let
you bring somebody if you want.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
That's nice.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Yeah. So a lot of couples will do it like
later in life and stuff, but they only pay one
of you. Quote. I got to see a lot of stuff.
I read hundreds of books and learned how to sleep
in a car anywhere in the lower forty eight. Charles
family and friends posted pictures of Robert on the Dignity
Memorial site too. Quote. I'd have to say, if I

(01:03:39):
want anything to come from all this, it's for people
elsewhere to support the mental health of people in their
little rural towns. He said. They go there entire, they
go there to retire, then when they're old, their kids
scatter and they end up alone. A lot of people
slip through the cracks. There are people all over the
country like my dad, and we need to look up,

(01:04:01):
look out, look after them. Sorry, got a little emotional.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
It's okay. Also, that's why you should never move away
from your family ever ever.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
And why you should have children so that you know,
so that you'll have them to take care of you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Oh no, I don't care about the part. I just
care about the part where I make sure that people
are okay. I don't care if anyone make sure I'm okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Okay, as long as you kept you make that very clear.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I have made that very clear.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Okay, okay. Gosh, jeez, you're you're in a mood. Don't
deny it now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
No, it's too late.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Oh well, we're gonna shift the tone. I actually really
enjoyed that story though. It was very very heartfelt. But
when we get back, we're gonna go overseas for some
more strange discoveries and a whole lot more right after this, well, Shell,

(01:05:04):
you enjoyed our trip to Scotland vaguely. But how about
Popou New Guinea, New Guinea. What I was so focused
on saying PopOut right that I said Guinea wrong. That's okay,
PopOut New Guinea. Yeah, fine, this is from news dot
com dot au. Missing R AAF Ufort bomber from World

(01:05:28):
War Two found in Popaut, New Guinea after eighty two years.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Yay, we found another plane.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
We did it. After more than eight decades, the mystery
of a missing World War two aircraft and its Australian
crew has finally been resolved or been solved, with wreckage
discovered in Papau, New Guinea confirmed as the downed aircraft. Yay,
the wreckage of the World War two Bufort bomber. That
sounds like a sandwich that you get it like a

(01:05:56):
fast foodressaurant. But I'd take two Bufort bombers please.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
I it's because the big Buford at rallies. Ah, my
my stomach is like feed me or from R AAF
squad A number one hundred Squadron was found in the
rugged Banning Mountains on New Britain Island, confirming where the
aircraft and its four Royal Australian Air Force crew came

(01:06:21):
to rest after vanishing during a combat mission in December
of nineteen forty three.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
The aircraft, the Beaufort A nine two one one, failed
to return from a nighttime operation targeting enemy positions at
Reball Rabul Rabewel, I'm awful On December fourteenth, nineteen forty
three WOW. Other crews flying that night reported severe weather
and when A nine to two one one did not

(01:06:48):
make it back to base, it was declared Missing on
board were pilot Flight Sergeant John Ardley Kenny, navigator, Flight
Sergeant Arthur John Davies, and wireless operation gunner's flight Sergeants
Thomas Burrows and Murray Fairbane Fairbarn. For eighty two years,
their families had no closure about the fate of their

(01:07:10):
loved ones. Our AAF Director General of History and Heritage
Robert Lawson said the discovery marked a solemn milestone. Quote,
we pay our respects to the crew of the Beaufort
eight eight. I keep laughing at Beaufort that's so terrible,
A nine to two one one who made the ultimate
sacrifice in defense of Australia Air Commodore laws, and said

(01:07:33):
the identification of this aircraft is significant and offers an
opportunity to provide closure to families. Post war searches conducted
by the RAAF and Popau New Guinea failed to locate
the aircraft and the four airmen were eventually presumed killed
in action. So they had searched Papau, New Guinea to
begin with, yeah, which which makes me wonder how much

(01:07:54):
did they really look that hard or was it near
the holidays again and they were like, I got.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
So much to do, Yeah, we gotta go come on
very searching.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
That's gonna be the new go to. It's like, ah,
but it was around the holidays, you know, just so
much to do. I caught myself doing that, like I'd
be like, I need to go pick up like my
prescription at the drive through, like ah, but it's like
almost Christmas, and I'd be like, dude, just it's the
twenty third, just go get your prescription. Yeah, it's still Monday.

(01:08:24):
The breakthrough came decades later. In twenty twenty one, photographs
of wreckage believed to belong to World War Two aircraft
were provided to the Historical Unrecovered War Casualties Air Force Division.
Detailed analysis, including images showing a bufort control yoke, confirmed
the remains were from an r AAF Bufort aircraft. Further
research narrowed the wreckage down to one of three buforts

(01:08:46):
lost in the New Britain region during the same period.
In October. How they lost a lot of them. I guess,
I mean it was war. Yeah, yeah, I suppose yeah.
In October of this year, an Air Force investigation team
traveled to the remote site, joined by specialist personnel and
a field officer from the National Museum and Art Gallery

(01:09:06):
of PNG. The operation relied heavily on assistance from a
local expedition company in nearby villages to access the difficult terrain.
The aircraft was ultimately identified after investigators located manufacturer's plates
at the crash site. Investigation team leader and HUWCAF director
Grant Kelly said the wreckage was scattered across more than

(01:09:26):
two hundred square meters, lying in dense vegetation on a
steep mountain side near the summit. That would explain why
it would be really hard to find.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Quote.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Discovering the manufacturer's plates enabled us to confirm which aircraft
it was and more importantly, identify the crew members who
had been on board. Captain Kelly said the investigators also
found aircraft controls and instrumentation, armament components including machine gun ammunition,
and parts of parachute harnesses. A systematic search was carried

(01:09:58):
out for human remains in person effects, with a small
amount of fragmented material requiring further analysis to determine its origin.
No additional activity is planned at the site. The families
of the four crew members have now been formally notified
and early discussions are underway regarding commemorative activities to honor
their service and sacrifice. Yay, I just find it fascinating,

(01:10:22):
how like in a world where we have, you know,
I don't even know how many hundreds of satellites in
the sky and drone technology that can literally be like
I don't want to run into a wall. I'm going
to stop myself. But we're still finding things that are lost.
I find that really like grabs my imagination.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Yeah, I mean, and it's happening all the time. There
are some like organizations that just go and look for
like you know, planes and stuff that were down in
the world wars and any war. Yeah, then find them
all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Basically it's wild.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Yeah, a lot of them are under the water.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
It's still sure. Well the ocean is a whole other
bag of worms.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Yeah, but that's fun because then you can use your
that thing that goes Yeah, there's like a little guy
and he goes in the water and he like shoots down.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Like sonar something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Yeah, yeah, like ground penetrating radar, except underwater, so sonar
maybe present. And then they like get the little guy
and they bring him back in the boat and then
they go over all the data and they go and
they search and they find them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
I think it's really fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
I listened to a podcast about treasure hunting once and
I was fascinated by how much effort goes in, how
expensive it is, and how secretive it has to be
because a lot of the nations that lost chips way
back when full of gold and stuff, they're not doing
so good now, like Spain and Italy and stuff like
that financially. So if word leaks before you you've discovered it,

(01:12:00):
they'll try to take it from you by claiming a
bunch of bear time law. Okay, yeah, and then you
don't get anything after you just spent like forty five
million dollars trying to get this shipwreck up, So you
have to be like really secretive. That makes sense, as
my grandpa would say, lousy Spain anyway, on that. On that.

(01:12:21):
Now we're going to take a quick break, but when
we get back tell we're heading to your backyard. Really,
you're here, I mean, I'm here right now. But it
turns out there have been some interesting sightings not far
from you on the Pennsylvania Turnpike or not Pennsylvan Turnpike sorry,

(01:12:43):
a Pennsylvania interstate. Okay, so it's a little ways from you,
but still but we'll talk about that when we get back.
We're back and heading to Pennsylvania for a story from WJACTV.

(01:13:13):
The headline is potential Sasquatch Sighting Organization says bigfoot reported
alongside PA interstate and they're talking about Interstate eighty, which,
by the way, I have driven the entirety of Interstate
eighty easily twenty times or more.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
And you haven't seen bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Not recently, okay, but no, really, Like, because I lived
in North Jersey, that was the way to go home,
that was fastest, So I really probably have driven at
thirty maybe even thirty times. Wow, Because like when I
go to Jersey and then like when I go out
to Jersey to see friends and then I come down
to see you, I'll take eighty to get up there.
Because it's also not a toll road, right, which is nice.

(01:13:56):
But then when I come and see you, I take
the turnpike home because you know it's way. It's like
I did the math, and it saves you like forty
five minutes, so it's kind of worth the obscene amount
of tolls.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
I guess, yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Anyway, Center County, Pennsylvania. It has eluded people for years,
but now one organization says bigfoot. Maybe it may have
been seen in central Pennsylvania. I mean, one of the
few things I've ever seen in central Pennsylvania. Yeah, other
than a sheets.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
I love Pa. There's a lot of trees. I love Pa.
But there is not a lot between Pittsburgh and Philly.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
No, not really.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
I mean that's there's some beautiful country and stuff, but
I mean there's just not a ton other than State College, Yeah,
which was put in the middle like to appease everybody basically,
which was nice. That's nice, I guess. Bigfoot Field Researchers
organization the BFRO, issued a report online claiming someone saw
a sasquatch along the side of Interstate eight in Center County,

(01:15:02):
about twenty miles from State College in October. There we Go,
The organization said a man reported seeing the creature while driving.
He told BFRO investigators that it almost got hit by
a vehicle in front of him. At first, he said
he thought it was a person because it was standing
on two legs, but that when he got closer he

(01:15:23):
saw a dark figure upright and human like in appearance.
The witness said the creature moved faster and was able
to cross a guardrail with no issues, he said witnesses.
He said, a witness who almost hit the creature described
it like this quote. It was tall and uniformly dark,

(01:15:43):
but he could not say if it was black or
a dark brown. Given the distance from and speed of
the figure, he didn't see any indication of clothing on
the figure. He also said that the figure was thin
and slender, that it did not match the stereotypical profile
of a large and muscular bigfoot. So always body shaming bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Yeah, I think it was a guy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
You just think it was a really big guy. Just
some guy, just like a normal dude. Yeah huh. Now
when it comes to bigfoot, do you have a lot
of personal theories? No?

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
I don't. I don't think it's polite.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
What I don't think it's polite?

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
No, I don't really believe in Bigfoot ouch, except if
he's an inter dimensional being, then maybe I believe in him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
There's a lot of the Bigfoot stuff that's hard to
to I mean, like it would be hard, like how
would you never find a body?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
You know, things like that My big problem, like problem. Yeah,
It's like, even if big Feets had their own burial
rituals and stuff like that and they always like very
there's still going to be big feats that just die
in the wild, you know, far away from home, and
nobody knows what happened to them.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Over the course of one hundred years. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Yeah, you know you think that someone would find a
body at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Yeah, yeah, I will say that's been the hard thing
with like a lot of these things like lockness monsters
and like champlaining monsters and stuff, is unless it's literally
a being that just never dies and just does its thing, Yeah,
it's very hard for it to be something that actually
exists in the natural world exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
I mean, if it if it does exist in multiple
dimensions and maybe it just comes here for vacation. Maybe maybe,
but I'm not still I'm not really sure.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
What if it's a tunnel system. I've heard I've heard
that theory. I'm pretty sure that the Bigfoots live in
tunnel systems.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
I mean, if if they live in this reality, we
still find a body eventually.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Well, and I'll say this, when I first heard the
tunnel system concept, I was like, ah, then it makes
perfect sense that they'd all be seven to eight to
nine feet tall and muscular if they've been living in
tunnels for like one hundreds of years now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Yeah, but they're big tunnels.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Yeah, big foot tunnels.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
And also they have to build the tunnels, so that's
why they're muscular, because they're always like, you know, doing
tunnel things.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Well, for the record, there are people who believe that
they are just an immense amount of tunnels that just exist.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Well, there are an immense amount of tunnels that just exists.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Oh so now Michelle is on their side. That was
very quick.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
I mean, I mean there are that the world is weird.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
You heard it here first. Chell says one hundred percent
proof of Bigfoot. No, I'm just saying. The witness also
said the legs and arms were longer, with the arms
extended downwards below the waistline as it crossed. He said
the frame of the limbs were not proportional to a
human person.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
It's a poor, messed up person.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
The BFRO also wrote in its report that the witness
did not remember seeing a neck on the creature and
only saw a side profile of its face. The witness
said he wasn't sure if the creature either didn't have
a neck or if it was just due to having
long hair.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
I think this is a person.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
Hey, my hair doesn't always cover my neck.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
It would if your side profile.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Though, she's right quote. The witness tried to explain away
the figure as a person, but said that he was
the way He but said that he was the ways
app on his truck. I think he has the ways
app on his truck. And there were no disabled vehicle

(01:19:50):
reports for either side of the road, nor were any
disabled vehicles seen on that stretch of highway. Who the
fuck cares ouch?

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
I'm sorry, Like you don't think that people exist without
disabled vehicles that have been reported on the ways app?

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
What the fuck do you use the ways app? It's
pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
I don't use the ways app.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
It's just it's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
It was bought by Google. It's basically the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Equally, the witness could not explain why there would be
an individual in uniformly dark clothing crossing a highway in
front of vehicles going eighty miles an hour. Oh. He's
also adamant that he knows what he saw as it
was broad daylight and his eyes were not playing tricks
on him. Okay, does that make you wonder if eyes

(01:20:38):
are playing tricks on him?

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Because he said that, Yeah, now that he brought it up,
I'm pretty sure there wasn't even in anything.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
And he's pretty sure he wasn't even out of his
house that day.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Yeah, he was just like, oh, yeah, I was on
the I was on the interstate, and everyone's like, you
didn't even you didn't you haven't even gone out weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Oh, but here comes a trump card for you. The
BFRO investigator who took the report said he believe the
witness to be a credible source, so trust me, Bro.
He also said that the witness was a bear hunter
and that he would know the difference of what he
was looking at.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Okay, so he probably would know that it wasn't a bear.
I still think it was a guy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
The investigator, who has been on multiple hunts for Bigfoot
in the past, said, based on the information shared by
the witness. He believes that there was a credible bigfoot siding.
According to bfro's website, there have been also been reported
sightings of Bigfoot in Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio, and Missouri. In
twenty twenty five, the report in Missouri claimed to have
been caught on a trail camera.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Oh okay, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
CBS Wow, CBS twenty we're so hateful today, CBS twenty one.
What was that?

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
I really don't like bigfoot?

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
You heard it here first. That's gonna be the next
T shirt say I don't like Bigfoot and bigfoot crying
in the background. CBS twenty one reached out to the
BFRO to ask how it substantiates these reports. One of
the directors of the organization said they have a multi
layered system for determining if a sighting is actually bigfoot. Yeah,

(01:22:14):
that sounds a little bit weird, he said. First, they
ask people to report what they saw in an online form.
Then they will call them call the person to see
how much of the information matches up with that report.
Then they take several steps from there. Sometimes it involves
going to the area where the bigfoot was seen to
document the region. He said, the group has different classifications

(01:22:34):
of bigfoot sightings based on how much visual and audio
evidence is available.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
They know that when they call the person, the person
could look at what they wrote in the online form
to make sure if matches up right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
We have a very high opinion of the intelligence of
people reporting sightings of bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Actually, the BFRO also does expeditions in certain parts the country,
including Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
C Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Wow, this one made Shell mad. I feel like cryptids
always put you in a mood.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
I don't know. It's not all cryptids. I like some cryptids.
Mm hmmm, So.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
I don't know. Man, doesn't sound like you do.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
I like the Fresno night Crawler.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
But oh yeah, you did like that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Yeah, I like that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Well, we're going to take a break and when we
get back, we won't talk about cryptids at least for
a little while. So stick around, okay, Shell, We're heading
to Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Kansas City in Kansas.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Well, that's the thing I want you to guess based
on the headline. Okay, So for those who aren't in
the know, I didn't know if you were going to
be all about that. Yeah, it's Casey K. Or kc MO.
That's the saying when people say I'm from Kansas City,
KCK or case MO.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
So historic Kansas City Jazz Bar claims to be haunted. Quote,
I know they're there. This is from KCTV five dot com.
So is it CASEYK or case MO.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
I'm gonna say it's Missouri.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
You're correct, Yay, Yeah, I don't have any sound effects.
That's okay, Kansas City, Missouri. At Kansas City Bar claims
to be haunted, but in an age of viral ghost videos,
determining what's real presents a challenge. The Phoenix Jazz Bar,
one of the oldest and most popular establishments in Kansas City,

(01:25:00):
has become the subject of paranormal investigation. Ashley Dumas, a
bartender at the Phoenix, said she has experienced unexplained phenomena
while working. Quote, there's been little signs here and there.
Dumas said, we have glasses that will get knocked over
back here. We do have a one We do have

(01:25:20):
a one particular bar chair that kind of moves around
and does its own thing. What kind of thing I
maybe we'll find out, but probably not. Server Ashley Renee
said she felt the presence of Madame Laws, a historical
figure connected to the building. Quote. So Madame Laws I

(01:25:41):
feel the most here. She likes to hang around in
the mornings. Renee said, she's the one that likes to
move things. You seem nonplussed.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
I mean, I don't even know who that is, and
I don't also don't know why we think it's her.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Maybe Madame Laws in life like to move things.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Oh, I mean it's possible. Maybe that was like her thing.
Everyone was like, what are you doing? And she was like,
I'm moving.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Stuff things, Yeah, moving things. Let's see. Frank Valerius opened
the Valerius Saloon in nineteen oh five, the first bar
in what was then the Phoenix Hotel. Upstairs, Madam Lena
Laws rented rooms, though rumors suggest guests weren't exactly sleeping.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
I've been waiting for that too.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
I was like, well for it to be a what
a prostitute thing?

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Yeah, because it all it just always is get.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Your mind out of the gutter for once in your life.
I'm sorry too much, anime, that's what it's done to you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Duma said she has seen a figure she believes to
be Valerious Valerius. Yeah, that's how you say it? Valuous quote.
I looked over when I was cleaning the dishes, and
I see this figure like a man. Come to find
out it was Valuous Valerious. That's the weird name. It's
v A L E R I U S Valuious. I guess, Yeah,

(01:27:11):
who used to own the bar? Dumas said Becky. Ray
founded Paranormal Activity Investigations and her team investigated the Phoenix
in June. Quote. The history of this place and the
whole building is just really amazing, and for there not
to be any activity here would be surprising. Ray said,

(01:27:32):
how do you feel about working in a haunted place? Cell?

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
I think that's fine as long as I can leave
the place.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Like what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
I mean, like, as long as it's not somewhere that
I live.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Oh, beave where you live too.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
It's not the same. You can't just be like, okay,
I'm done with my shift.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
I mean you literally could just say that and walk
out your front door. It wouldn't make any sense, but
you can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
I guess I could. Yeah, I guess it's all the same.
I guess it don't really There.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
There we go, Becky, Oh sorry I read that part
the team captured electronic voice phenomena or EVPs during their investigation.
I should mention Shell is way more the seasoned pro
when it comes to ghost hunting shows. I don't really
watch them at all anymore. Maybe I did back in
the old days, you know, fifteen twenty years ago. I

(01:28:25):
mean you still watch them?

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Yeah, yeah, sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
I watched a couple with you last time I visited.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Oh yeah, it was what the hell was on? I
don't remember?

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
It's okay. Quote, we got some electronic voice phenomena. That's
when we have recording devices and there are voices that
show up on it that weren't there at the time
when we were recording it, Ray said. Well, said Sarah
Crowe led the Phoenix investigation and confirmed the voices captured
were not from team members. Quote. That was not any

(01:28:57):
of us. The nice thing is we all recognize each
other voices at this point, and we try to make
sure we're not whispering or making weird noises. Crow said,
I mean, unless you want it to be an awesome
investigation exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Also, it would be good to have something else rolling,
so you have something they're trying to pick up EVPs on,
and maybe you have something else going, and then you
can compare them because they should all they should all
sound the same, and I mean you would think, but yeah,
that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
I mean, well said too. During a follow up investigation,
the team used an electrical trip wire to test paranormal
activity around a specific chair. Oh, you're making a symbol
your hand sign.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
I don't know if I believe in all of that
stuff in trip wires. Yeah, well, in how they're used. Yeah,
I don't really believe in triple wires in general at that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Yeah, yeah, I respect that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
What they look for is changes and electricity in the air,
and there's hypotheses that ghosts use that energy. Ray said.
The device appeared to respond when questions were directed toward
the third chair in the bar. Ray said she doesn't
feel the need to convince skeptics. Quote. They can believe
whatever they want to believe, you know, that's fine with me.

(01:30:19):
I'm not trying to prove anything. Ray said, you are
literally trying to prove things. You are an investigator. You
are literally that is not true, Like you are literally
proving things. That is the point. Yeah, just saying. Despite
the unexplained occurrence, as staff members said, they don't feel

(01:30:40):
threatened by the presence quote. I still don't feel alone,
Duma said, I feel like I feel like they like me.
I feel like we're friends. Renee echoed similar sentiments about
the reported spirits. Quote, they're not scary. I know they're here,
Renee said, four hours prior to her sudden death. Now

(01:31:02):
that's not there. But okay, so ca CBO got some ghosts?

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Are you so? Chell? Are you afraid of ghosts?

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
I don't know. Probably.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
So who you gonna call?

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
I mean you can't call the police because they won't
know what to do. Okay, So I guess I'll could
call my mom.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
I mean that wasn't the answer I was looking for,
but it's still pretty much right. Okay, Well, when we
get back, we're going to look into a really big
or fish and what that means for the world around it? Oh,
right after this shell? Yes, what's your opinion of or fish?

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
I don't remember what they look like.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
That's a pretty hateful opinion. I mean, wouldn't you assume
they resemble an or fish?

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Probably not?

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
They look like an or They don't look like an
I mean they resemble an ar?

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
They do?

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Yes? Why would I be lying.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
You're you? Yeah, you are on one today. I'm calling
your mom when this show's over, because you know she'll
tell you to act right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
No, she'll she'll just be sad and she'll wonder what
she did wrong, and let's not do that to her.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Oh man, that's not cool. My mom does My mom's like,
where did I go wrong? I failed?

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
That's yeah, yeah, I don't Okay, I.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
Won't call unless I really need to motivate you. Oh well,
I can't show you a picture of it right now.
But this article comes out of Australia. Uh from the
Guardian dot com. Three three meter giant oarfish palace Messenger

(01:33:05):
of Doom washes up on Tasmanian beach. This is the
third story that we have found where some kind of
fish washes up on a shore and it's known to
be a bad omen. Yeah this year.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Oh yay. I just looked up or fish and they
just look like long.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
So yeah, what is an or long? Huh ah? How straight? Okay,
you guys think see, people think Sheell's nice, but she's mean.
That's the truth is she's actually really mean. It was
a beautiful, warm day in Northwest Tasmania when a fish

(01:33:46):
with a reputation as a harbinger of doom washed ashore.
Now you say harbinger or harbinger harbinger? Okay, good. I
was afraid we weren't allowed to be friends anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Tony Cheeseman, that's his name, who lives in the seaside
town of Penguin. I feel like I need somebody else
to look at the screen so I know I'm not
having a stroke like I'm saying. Feels like it's not
the right word. Tony Cheeseman, who lives in the seaside
town of Penguin. Uh fresh, I smell fresh cut grass.

(01:34:19):
Thud was walking his two dogs, rown In and Custard,
not helping the beach, along the beach at Preservation Bay
on Friday morning when something silvery and surrounded by gulls
grabbed his attention. All right, at least the sentence is
starting to feel like it's an actual sentence. Now. Quote.

(01:34:40):
When I got to it, I saw this massive fish.
Then I noticed the beautiful colors, and it had these
long fans coming out of its chin and at the
top of its head. He said, I'd never seen anything
like it. Professor Cullum Brown, an expert in fish at
Macquarie University, said there were several species of oar fish,

(01:35:00):
but the three meter specimen found at Penguin was probably
the largest and most well known. The giant oar fish.
Oh so they're one of those species where they have
one specie that's just the giant that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
But someone was like, I don't know, I'm done with names.
It's fine. It's just a really big one.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
It's what if that's what Bigfoot is. He's just the
giant guy, like the giant human.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Okay, that's what we find him in it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
If you call the giant.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Yeah, we just call him giant human.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
Like the giant squid.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Quote. They're a very unusual looking fish, he said. They're
super long and skinny, kind of like a ribbon, and
they have a continuous dorsal fin. That's fine, like an ore.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Ors don't have dorsal fins.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Oh I meant the dorsal fin was like an ore.
Oh yeah, now you feel bad, yeah coming at me
like that. Yeah, giant or fish could grow up to
eight or nine meters, he said, but because they lived
two hundred to one than five hundred meters below the surface.
They were rarely seen. Quote. They only ever show up

(01:36:09):
at the surface when they're sick or dying. He said, oh, buddy,
it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
I don't want them to die.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
He's with the angelfish now, No.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
I think those that are underwater.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
See so this is what I was talking about. In
Japanese folklore, or fish were known as reugu no sukai.
I think I said that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Okay, it sounded like it probably was fine.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
Rugu no suki. R y you with a slash above it,
gee you with a slash over it? Re you goo?
I think so, re you go sure, which translated to
the seas God's the sea gods palace messenger, the sea
God's palace messenger, Brown said, and their arrival was thought

(01:36:59):
to harold lamities such as an earthquake or tsunami, but
they were an unremarkable harbinger of doom or unreliable. Unremarkable.
I am I should sleep one day. It has been
there long three months. Yeah, unreliable harbinger of doom. According
to one study, you could say that about anything, man,
Texico station gas stations are such an unreliable harbinger of doom. Yeah,

(01:37:24):
which found no link between sightings of these slender sea
creatures and imminent disaster. Quote or fish just rock up
at or just rock up at random? Brown said, we
don't know very much about them, so any specimen that
washes up is really valuable. Or fish were also connected
to myths about sea serpents, said David Waldron, an associate
professor and historian at Federation University. Quote when they come

(01:37:48):
to the surface, which is when sailors in the nineteenth
and eighteenth centuries would see them, it would be when
they were ill and thrashing about, not able to maintain
their normal depth underwater. So what do you think about
sea sea serpents?

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
I think they're just probably or fish. Now, thank you
what we're going for?

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
Look at you learning? Yeah, it's an educational show. You
should get a grant or something. One Australian newspaper even
reported the discovery of a quote supposed sea serpent at Penguin,
Tasmania in eighteen seventy eight. Oh Wow, with an engraving
of the quote mystic creature looking very much like an

(01:38:33):
oar fish, enormous, brightly colored, distinctive and extremely rare. Is
it describing me the legendary appeal was similar to other
creatures from the deep, like the giant squid. They were
fascinating and mysterious. Waldron said, it's a very spectacular looking fish.
Was this one a harbinger of doom? Cheeseman didn't think so.

(01:38:56):
Quote it was too nice a day for that. Oh
I like him a lot now, So what a great
end to the article. It was too nice a day
for that. I went Australian on that one because I
felt like I could do that without it being insulting.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Yeah, I'm sure it was a little insulting.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
Oh yeah, but I wasn't like saying didjii do and
dingo over and over something like that, you know. Although,
my favorite thing ever was when a friend of mine
started playing a Digii do at a convention and I
came up to him and I said, hey, let's digury
don't and say we did, which was what my mom
My mom used to say, let's don't and say we
did all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
A nice it was a nice, charming moment. It was charming.
I don't care what anybody else says. I am a delight.
So when we get back, we're gonna do one more
news story. Because this is about real estate and she
loves herself. Some house information because I think it was
last month we talked about the Conjuring Home being sold. Well,

(01:39:56):
looks like some lawsuits might be going on. Yay, yeah,
we'll talk about that right after this. All right, Shelle,
it's time to see what controversy is going on with
the Conjuring Home. Okay, So this is from kget dot

(01:40:19):
com and the headline is the Conjuring Home fight sparks
lawsuit against Ghost Hunters star Jason Hawes.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Really, yeah, what's happening?

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
Well, I don't know. Oh, I guess we can eat
this now. Burleville, Rhode Island. The Conjuring House saga has escalated.
The homeowner's sister has filed a lawsuit against multiple people,
including sci fi's Ghost Hunters star Jason Hawes, alleging her sister,
Jacqueline Jacqueline, Jacqueline, Jacqueline. Sorry, her last name is Spanish

(01:40:58):
and I started speaking Spanish early. I guess Jacqueline Nuniez
wasn't mentally competent when she handed over the rights to
sell the famous home for at least one point three
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
MM.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Elizabeth Greenhalk of Utah is asking a Rhode Island Superior
Court judge to block the never before seen agreement triggered
in October when Nuniaz is alleged to have signed over
limited power of attorney to Hawes's associate Julia DeMay to quote,
do all things necessary with respect to the sale of
the home with Jason Hawes. According to the lawsuits, what's

(01:41:34):
on your mind?

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Wait, who got power of attorney?

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
It says uh Nunyaz allegedly signed over limited power of
attorney to Hawes's associate Julia de May.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
That's insane. Tell us why, Well, I don't think we
want someone to give power of attorney to the person
who's trying to buy a house.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Limited power of attorney?

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Okay, I don't think think you should give limited power
of attorney to the person who's trying to buy your house.
That sounds that sounds bad.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
What makes you think that? Like, I mean, they probably
have their best to interest in heart.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
Right, I mean, I mean you're right, everyone's nice and
no one would do that out of bed that you know,
like wanting to get like greed and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
I don't know, I mean, I don't know a lot
about power of attorney other than you know, super attorney.
The cartoon show I used to watch when I was
a kid about the lawyer who was a you know,
he was hit by a radioactive golf ball. So now
he's a super attorney. So let's see DeMay and Hawes

(01:42:49):
told Next Star's w PRI they had not yet received
the complaint and declined to comment further. The lawsuit reveals
what's been happening behind the scenes at the eighteenth century farmhouse,
which sparked international interest last year Afternoonyaz fired an employee,
claiming the spirit of the home's eighteenth century owner told
her the employee was stealing.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Maybe she was.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
She probably was, you know yeah, oh, so I asked, chatch.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Ept, oh that's what you were doing.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
Maybe. I just asked, is there ever a situation where
you should give limited power of attorney to someone to
help with the selling of a home or property? And
it said yes, there are legit situations where a limited
aka special power of attorney is the cleanest way to
keep a real estate deal moving, as long as it's
narrowly written and you trust the person.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
I'm sorry, continue with Chetchy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
You can't be physically present or time sensitive closing medically
medical inability. There's an estate trust scenario many owners and
one owner is not available. You want one person a
hand transaction logistics. That's yeah, that's what it was saying.

(01:44:05):
It's possible that this that the person they they they
said was not is like an agent, is not a
just some friend of Hawes's, it said Hawes associate Julia
de Maay. But DeMay might be just like a person
who does this.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
I mean, it's possible. It just seems like a conflict
of interests. And I don't And it's like and the
power attorney thing, that's not my problem. My problem is you.
You wouldn't want that to be, like if you're the seller,
Like you don't want the buyers shit being your stuff,
power of attorney and things. I don't know. It sounds

(01:44:40):
not good to me, really not good.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
Sure, let's see. Since then, multiple famous people have been
jockeying to buy the property, which Nunia has had turned
into a successful tourist attraction before losing her entertainment license
a year ago. We heard about that, We talked about
that on the show a couple months ago. Hawes has
been raising money through GoFundMe to purchase the home, an

(01:45:04):
effort spurred by Andrea Perron, who requested on social media
that he saved the home the twenty thirteen blockbuster The
Conjuring was based off the paren family's supernatural experience living
in the farmhouse in the nineteen seventies. A buying war
erupted after Nunyez stopped making payments on the loan she
used to buy the home for one point five million

(01:45:26):
dollars in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
So wait, so she's only owned the home for a
few years.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
Yeah, not very long at all.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
The bank initially put the home up for auction scheduled
for Halloween, but I remember hearing about this. It was
supposed to go up for auction to Halloween, but a
company controlled by YouTuber Elton Castille purchased the underlying note beforehand,
effectively canceling the highly anticipated event. As it stands now,
Casti's company owns the debt, and DeMay Quote has entered
or will soon enter into an agreement to sell the

(01:45:59):
property to Hawes.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Casti and comedian Matt Rife have been trying to buy
the home separately from Hawes, which comes in the wake
of them buying the Warren House in Connecticut. So that's
what we talked about it last time. This was the
Warren House. This is the house that they fought supposedly
fought a monstrous demon in.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Right, because yeah, we hadn't talked about like Jason from
Ghost Unders before about so yeah, right, so you claim
I think I would remember.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
What are you guys besties? No?

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
He no, but I know who he is and I
just kind of stand out in front of his house sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
Oh that's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Yeah, does he wave, He like shakes his fists and
he like points to his cell phone a lot like.
But I think that means he wants me to call him.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
So that sounds like it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Castie, whose company is named as an interested party in
the lawsuit, did not immediately respond to her for comment.
Greenhall alleged Nunya's quote was legally incompetent and not found
sound of mind when she signed over the rights to
DeMay to sell the house. She accuses accused Hawes of
conspiring with DeMay and leading a concerted effort to acquire

(01:47:15):
the property despite knowing Nunias was unwell. Nunyaz told me
on multiple occasions that she would never sell the property,
especially not to Hawes. Greenhall wrote in the lawsuit, adding
that Nunias had suffered from various delusions over the past
year that include accusing greenhg and her husband of having

(01:47:36):
engaged in criminal activity that has absolutely no basis in reality.
So Nuniez had had accused Greenhge of committing crimes, maybe
that's the true thing, and Greenhall is just trying to
steal m that's allegedly. This is completely we're making stuff. Nuniez,

(01:47:58):
who didn't immediately respond to her request, has repeatedly told
WPRIS she would never sell the property. Hawes and Nuniez
have butted heads in the past. Hawes filed the police
report in twenty twenty four asking for a restraining order
against Nuniez whow alleging she was harassing him and his
family and had come up with a twisted theory that
he was plotting to kill her.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
See, and you were just comically stalking him.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Hawes, who has said he's only seeking to buy the
home because of Peron's request, posted on Facebook that the
lawsuit does not change the direction we are moving in
complex property transactions, particularly those involving long histories and multiple parties,
filings and delays are not unusual, he wrote, Some arise
naturally through the process, and some may extend timelines in
ways that benefit other parties involved. We remain fully transparent

(01:48:49):
and are continuing to handle everything through the appropriate legal channels.
I can't comment on motives at this time, he added,
So what's your take, your hot take.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
I guess my take is that, I mean, for a set,
I mean, I don't like the whole thing, the power
returney thing, but knowing that she she the property was
going up for auction because she had not been paying
I guess the mortgage. Yeah, now I'm kind of like, eh,

(01:49:22):
I mean it was going away, like she wasn't going
to be able to keep it anyway, you know, So
I'm not now I'm just kind of like, Wow, this
is fucked up. Everybody's fucked up. Yeah, and she's probably insane.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
Oh wow, that's pretty harsh, but okay. Yeah, Well, we're
gonna take a quick break and when we get back,
we're going to talk about our topic for the show,
our last topic of twenty twenty five, which is all
about how in nineteen eighty seven, two tourists went to
Times Square to celebrate New Years, as many tens of thousands,

(01:49:57):
hundreds of thousands of people do every year. But they
got convicted of murder. And that's just the beginning of
this fascinating saga right after this. So, cell, you've been
New York City adjacent your whole life, including being born

(01:50:21):
in de Bronx.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
I mean that's technically New York City.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
What hospital were you born at? The one in the Bronx,
the Bronx Hospital, the Bronx General. I know the name
of the hospital I was born in.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
I don't know if I know the name of the hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
It's easy for me because I was born in Saint Elizabeth's,
which doesn't exist anymore. So, wow, it was renamed and
then destroyed.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
I'm pretty sure my hospital still exists.

Speaker 1 (01:50:49):
Yeah, they need them in New York, you know, for
all the stabbins and stuff. So, but have you ever
been tempted? You in your life of being like born
in the Bronx, living in Jersey, living in Philly, have
you ever been tempted to go to Times Square for
New Year's No? No, why not?

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Because it sounds terrible? Why would I just what part
the all of it out. There's lots of people, lots
of people, and you have to stay where you are
because you have to there's nowhere to go and it's
cold out, and then what are you going to do?
You just watch the ball drop out of off the building.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
I mean there are literally like some of the most
famous performers in the world perform concerts there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Oh, I mean none, none that I want to see that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
Ouch.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
No, it sounds terrible. I would never do that. There
are a lot of things I would like to do
in New York, but not that. Like what I'd like
to go see the Big Tree.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Why don't you just go see it? It's a big tree.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
Well I I could. I just I'd have to like
go there to do it. It's not like it's right
on my street. So I'll go. I'll go see it
next year.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
Me when I lived in North Jersey, I don't know
if you remember this, but I lived in Butler, New Jersey,
and Butler was the last stop that was direct to
New York City. So you could get on the bus
and go straight to New York City, no connections, no nothing.
But it was like the furthest you could get and
still do that. Yeah, on like NJ Transit on New

(01:52:25):
Year's Eve. Both years that I was there for New
Year's Eve, there were people parked to go to Times
Square up and down my street in Jersey. That's so weird,
like thirty miles away.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
I mean, that's a great idea, and I would totally
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
Sure, yeah, well but you weren't even supposed to park
on the street over there, Like they were just parked
on our street anyway, and nobody everybody just shrugged.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Well, I mean it's a holiday, so the people who
ticket is probably not out, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
And and the way I figured that out initially before
I asked the neighbor and they're like, oh yeah, this
always happens, was because like you couldn't guess the license
plate they were from all over the country.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Weit wow wow.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, all that to say that made
me even less want to go. I was like, how
packed it must be. But this is an interesting piece
I discovered from AETV dot com. It feels like it's
spooky news, but this is a little bit deeper than
a news story. Okay, the title is it took nearly

(01:53:27):
forty years for two men to prove they were wrongfully
convicted of a New Year's murder in Times Square.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
Yeah, so and uh, I just thought this was like
the perfect timing to talk about something New Year's related.
In the early morning hours of January third, nineteen eighty seven,
nineteen year old Eric Smokes was walking his girlfriend of
two years, Tammy Jenkins, the five blocks back to her
home after a night at his East New York Brooklyn apartment,

(01:54:00):
when he was swarmed by police. Quote they cornered me.
They cornered me off and held me like the Gestapo
or ice, and they said I had to go with them,
Smokes tells Ane Crime Plus Investigation. Smokes was interrogated for
hours at the station. He says, quote they initiated with
questions about days and times. I was trying to answer

(01:54:23):
truthfully and honest as I could. But I'm like, whoa,
this seems serious. Then they hit you with there's been
a murder.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
Later that day, the police knocked on the door of
sixteen year old David Warren in nearby Pink Houses public
housing project. Warren wasn't home, but he was close down
the hall in the apartment of Kim Williams, his girlfriend
of just over a year. His mother had came to
get him. Warren says the police were kind at first,
but when they got him away from parental supervision in

(01:54:55):
the hallway of the apartment, the atmosphere instantly changed. Quote
they asked me to take off my shirt, Warren said.
The victim's wife had scratched the guy that assaulted him,
so they wanted me to take off my garments to
see if I had any marks on me, which I didn't.
Down at the station, they began interrogating him about his
whereabouts on New Year's Eve. I was petrified. Warren recalls.

(01:55:21):
What unfolded next was a string of events that incarcerated
the two until they were middle aged, only for the
Manhattan District Attorney to vacate their convictions in twenty twenty four,
acknowledging their prosecution had been quote unjust wow, Yeah, it's

(01:55:41):
pretty crazy. I mean, first of all, it would be
a pretty high profile thing if somebody's murdered on you know,
near Times Square in you know, nineteen eighty seven, like
where as the ball was dropping and this was during
what the height of like crime. Really being kind of
beat up pretty well well, you know, pretty knocked out
compared to the way New York had been because it

(01:56:03):
had been well it really the nineties, I guess was
when it really got better. Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
Yeah, it was still really really rough around that time. Yeah,
really rough around that time. And Times Square around that
time was really really rough.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
So did you not know that?

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
I mean I knew that New York was just the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
Oh you didn't, but you didn't know the whole thing
about Times Square. No, you don't know about.

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
Time really, No, tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
Oh, Times Square used to just be like terrible and
used to just be like all like like peep shows
and like adult movies.

Speaker 1 (01:56:38):
I mean I knew that because I worked at a
company that remastered like forty Second Street movies and stuff. Yeah,
but it was like the Second Street was famous for
that too.

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
It was like super super dangerous there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
But everybody likes to go there to kiss when the
ball drops man.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
So, Warren and Smokes were the prime suspects in the
murder case case of Dean Cassie, a seventy one year
old French tourist who had been killed in a violent
robbery ten blocks north of Times Square minutes after the
ball dropped in nineteen eighty seven. The teenagers who were
friends had gone to Times Square that night with a

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group of peers in the hopes of catching a rap
show at Latin Quarters, a music venue popular with teenagers,
but the cover charge was steep that night and not
everyone in the group could afford it, so the group
hung out outside the club before heading home. Warren and
Smokes insist that they never ventured near the murder scene,
an alibi that was corroborated by their friends, but several

(01:57:38):
eyewitnesses placed them at the scene. They were arrested and
put on trial for second degree murder. I'm really curious
about this because I've become a bit skeptical about the
wrongfully accused concept. Okay, well, what was it? What was
the was it?

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
Serial cereal?

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
When I dug deeper and like looked at other reports
about it, I became way less convinced the guy was innocent. Like,
they definitely worked really hard to push the concept that
he was guilty not guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
I mean, we've talked about that before, and I haven't
done a lot of research, so I can't really say
either way. But there are tons of people who are
just wrongly convicted.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
Well, I agree, I met, I met the media portrayal. Sorry,
that's what I mean, Like, like how framing has been
done on some of them. I'm not denying that that
I would rather This is not popular to some people,
but I would rather guilty people go free than innocent
people suffer in prison. I would definitely prefer to axit,

(01:58:45):
to wrongfully let someone go, than to wrongfully imprison someone.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:58:50):
So I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but
I am wondering, Like, I wonder what because the fact
that there were eyewitnesses that could be bullshit. I'm curious
to hear if the eyewitnesses are you know, we're bull crap.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
I mean, even if there are eyewitnesses, they're they're like,
they're just kids, right, Like you can be wrong, you can.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
Oh yeah, just kids. I was like, Yes, kids kill
people all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
Oh no, but I'm sure they just look like kids.
So it's not it's not hard for someone to, you know,
think they remember something correctly and not. Absolutely eyewitnesses are
notoriously bad.

Speaker 1 (01:59:27):
Absolutely. Well, we're going to jump back into this right
after this break. All right, we're back looking into the
trial of Eric Smokes and David Warren. So let's see.
The most notable eyewitness was James Walker, age sixteen. Walker

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had been arrested January second, nineteen eighty seven, for a
different mugging in the Times Square area. Under questioning, Walker
told investigators that Smokes had told him he'd murdered Cassie.
Smoke says before Walker was Smoke says before Walker was
an acquaintance. Smoke says before Walker, before Walker was an acquaintance.

(02:00:16):
Before the trial, get a copy at her an e
ge quote. We didn't hang out, but if we'd see
each other, we'd acknowledge that we knew each other. Young
teenager stuff very loose, Smokes explains. Smokes was bewildered by
Walker's testimony at the trial. Quote, it was heart wrenching.
It's not just that he's testifying. He's making stuff up,

(02:00:38):
and it isn't David and Eric stole candy out of
a store. This is life altering, for real, for real situation.
How are you going to get up there and do that?
As for Warren, he says he was offered a plea
deal to testify against Smokes that would have gotten him
out in as little as a year. Wow, half of
which he'd already served in pre trial detention. It was

(02:01:00):
a non starter. Quote that would have involved lying on somebody.
There was nothing to think about, Warren says. For the
second for the second degree murder, Smokes was convicted and
sentenced to twenty five years to life imprisonment.

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:01:15):
Warren was convicted and got fifteen years to life. In
two thousand and five, Walker would write a letter to
Smokes confessing to deep guilty felt for offering false testimony.
Oh there we go. It was provided to Any Crime
Plus Investigation by Smokes and Warren's lawyer James Henning. Quote.
I don't know why I did it besides me wanting

(02:01:35):
to stay free and smoke crack. The letter reads, Hey,
that is fucking That is the That is honesty that
you can't get from just anybody.

Speaker 2 (02:01:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:01:44):
Yeah, Like I'm not even a fault the guy. It
sounds like he's he's you know, gotten his life right,
you know, if he's apologizing for that. Yeah. The letter reads,
I've committed the ultimate crime. That's not the ultimate crime,
but it's bad. That's a pretty nice that's the ultimate crime.
Though by that, I don't know what the ultimate crime is, though,
I just feel like it can't be just that. By

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that point, Warren and Smokes had already been incarcerated for
eighteen years. Oh God. The first stop was Elmira Correctional.
Warren recounts, they make you strip buck naked, spray you
with some life stuff, make you get in a shower
with other naked teenagers, give you some clothes, take you
and read you the Riot Act and how they'll kill

(02:02:26):
you if you get out of line, and that they
don't care what you do to each other. Well, it's
called delousing, uh powder. But otherwise that all sounds right.

Speaker 2 (02:02:35):
Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 1 (02:02:37):
The men begin serving their sentences together. Quote. We were
on the same bus from Rikers to Elmira, Warren says.
My number was eight seven B one sixty four seven
and he was eight seven B one six' five to.
Two initially they were in the same galley, gallery i.
E the area of the cell. Block later they were
moved to separate, facilities but stayed in. Touch they kept

(02:03:00):
in contact with their girlfriends as. Well quote throughout my,
incarceration she was always my. Friend she never forgot about,
Me warren says Of williams twenty one, years and she
never missed my. Birthday oh that's really. Nice smokes And jenkins.
Reunited quote that was my biggest, Fan smoke, said adding
that although she had other relationships over the, years, QUOTE

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i GUESS i made a hell of an impression prior
to that because we ultimately ended up back. Together, oh,
oh that's. Nice or she's very. Difficult, yeah they're all good. Answers.
Yeah On december, twentieth two thousand and, seven the day
after he was released on, Parole warren went to a
check cashing store in his neighborhood Where williams. Worked it

(02:03:45):
was a pragmatic. Visit he Knew williams would process a
check he'd, received even though he hadn't yet secured a
VALID id post. Incarceration ooh, quote old feelings blossomed, Again warren.
Says the couple had and the married couple of the
couple married and had a. Daughter. Sorry in twenty, Eleven

(02:04:06):
smokes And jenkins also married while he was still incarcerated
At Fishkill. Correctional he was released the same. Year williams
died unexpectedly of an aneurysm in twenty, twenty four years
Before warren's, sentence was. Vacated, quote my wife never got
to see. It that weighs on. Me he, says she
was part of this. Struggle this is this is the.

(02:04:30):
WORST i, Mean i'm the only THING i can say
is this is. Why, again not a popular, opinion But
i'm vehemently against the death. Penalty not a popular opim
with a lot of, people because at least you can
do something to write. It, yeah you still took away
a gigantic chunk of their, lives and that is. Awful

(02:04:51):
but at least you could do. Something you can let
them be. Free. Now, yeah you could, pay you could pay,
restitutions you could do. Stuff but you, know if they
had been, executed this would just be. Trivia, yeah it
wouldn't be a human interest. Story and that makes me. Sad,

(02:05:12):
yeah what do you, Think? Chelle why don't you run
down your favorite problems with the criminal justice?

Speaker 2 (02:05:18):
SYSTEM i mean this is one of. Them definitely. Articles,
YEAH i don't like.

Speaker 1 (02:05:26):
Them you're, LIKE i don't have a problem with what.
HAPPENED i have a problem with it being reported.

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
On, yeah it's, like come, ON i don't want to
know about this. Stuff just let it go. On it's.

Speaker 1 (02:05:40):
Fine, yeah it's, fine it's, fine everybody needs to. Relax.
Okay by the time of their, Exoneration walker had, died
but his letter was submitted into, evidence and several eyewitnesses
who had been teenagers at the time took the stand
and canted their prior. Testimony, wow so this just goes

(02:06:03):
to tell to show you that every children. Lie don't
believe them? Ever, yeah, yeah one said he testified in
the face of police pressure around his own. Case another blamed,
youthful naivete and a teen rivalry with smoke stemming from
a pellet gun. Incident prosecutors concluded that police pressured, witnesses and,
that along with the fact that NO dna evidence linked

(02:06:25):
smokes Or warrento the, crime Led Judge Stephen antignani to
vacate the convictions In january of twenty twenty. Four authorities
have not named any other suspects In cassie's.

Speaker 2 (02:06:37):
Murder whoever it is they got away with, It.

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
Well a lot of people did back, then you. Know,
YEAH i mean the idea of like pushing people through
the justice system as quickly as possible is a real. Problem. Yeah,
YEAH i do believe that we have the best justice
system in the. World but that the and that justice
systems are hard and stopping, crime solving crime is very very. Hard,

(02:07:08):
yeah AND i believe there's an immense amount of progress
to be, made, Definitely and that's something that always drives me.
Crazy some people don't seem to understand. That i'm, Like i'm,
Like i'm always saying you can admit that something is
good and still say it's, flawed, sure because some people

(02:07:29):
will just be, like, oh this is just the you,
know the worst damn, country like when all this stuff,
happens and it's, like, dude there's a lot worse places
by a massive. Margin but, yeah we need to fix the,
problems like we got to keep you. Can't we can't
rest in our laurels at. All that that is SOMETHING
i stand by very very. Much so all, Right jenkins

(02:07:52):
died of a varying cancer That. August the men settled
With New York city and received a payment in Or
june of this. Year warren, Says, okay, good so they got.
Restitution that was WHAT i was about to, say is
once it got fully, overturned they should receive. Restitution.

Speaker 2 (02:08:09):
Yeah, Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:08:10):
Yeah their, Attorney James, henning citing his client's, privacy would
not disclose the figure To Ane Crime Plus, investigation but
acknowledged they negotiated from a strong position and that the
pair would not have to work good still as long
as they moved out Of New york so they could
afford to live. Exactly, Hey i'm sure they already left.

(02:08:31):
Still when talking about the, money both men strike a somber.
Tone let's be. REALISTIC i have a lot more time
behind me than in front of, Me warren, says it's
about securing a better future for my daughter at this. Point,
YEAH i think that's a, fair fair. Statement smokes calls
the settlement bittersweet. Quote we didn't really do nothing to,

(02:08:51):
celebrate he. Says neither one of us indulges in drinking
or smoking or anything like. That it would have been
more pleasing to share it with the people we. Hold
since the, settlement both men have moved out Of New
York city to different locations they speak every. Day, Wow
so there you. Go we'll end the year with a sombering.
STORY i just it's hard to find truly interesting and

(02:09:16):
captivating stories that like, fit especially around the holidays and
stuff like. This AND i thought this was truly fascinating
and it Involved New year's although. Loosely, yeah but, Noah
i'm just glad that any restitution could be. Made me.
Too you, know my biggest fear is harming people like,
this the system harming people like, this and then just
it's shrug. Emoji it's just, well that's what. Happens that's

(02:09:41):
WHAT i.

Speaker 2 (02:09:41):
MEAN i, mean it doesn't fix what.

Speaker 1 (02:09:44):
Happens, NO i, mean nothing could be. Fixed but but,
yeah if they had been, executed like what do you
do send their FRIGGIN' i, mean these two were, children,
yeah nineteen and sixteen years. Old one of them was
barely an. Adult it's not like they have like what
are you going to do send restitution to their you,

(02:10:04):
know elderly parents if they're still, alive if you if
you'd executed them and then exonerated them all this, time
and the only reason they got exonerated was because they
had people to including, themselves to advocate for. Them so
that's my point is like it's important that they're that
you know that these mistakes can be. Stopped, yeah you,

(02:10:26):
know even if you can't undo what has been, done
you can stop AND i think that's really. Important so
with that all being, said we're going to take a
break and wrap, up And i'm gonna demand shall not be.
Depressing right after, this we're back wrapping up the final

(02:10:54):
monthly spooky of twenty twenty, five AND i have to, Ask,
cell do you have any what are your thoughts on
twenty twenty? Five wrapping?

Speaker 2 (02:11:05):
Up, yay it's?

Speaker 1 (02:11:06):
Over is that your thought on every? Year?

Speaker 2 (02:11:09):
THOUGH i don't. KNOW i don't like this. One. No
Usually i'm just kind of, like, eh that's.

Speaker 1 (02:11:14):
Whatever but you're excited for this one to wrap? Up?

Speaker 2 (02:11:17):
Yeah no? More no more twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (02:11:18):
FIVE i, mean you had some good stuff, happen but
the medical stuff was pretty, stressful like super. Stressful. YEAH
i think there's always a. Good there's good and there's bad. Whatever, okay,
fine In chell's, world everything was. Bad. Yeah anyone who
disagrees as a. Problem, yeah and she'll gas lamp you
until you give. Up. Yeah, WELL I i'm so. Sorry

(02:11:44):
michelle just punched her cat as hard as she. Could
what did you do to that poor?

Speaker 2 (02:11:48):
CAT i just hit her in the.

Speaker 1 (02:11:50):
Face oh the part where there is a. Face, No
oh that's not, OKAY i.

Speaker 2 (02:11:57):
KNOW i. Know just let's do it SO i can
come hurt.

Speaker 1 (02:12:00):
Her that's how you wrap up the. Year just whack
your poor kitty. Cat well, GO i was just gonna,
say it's been a tough. Year there's been a lot
of struggle and stress and, strain but it's ending pretty.
Strong AND i appreciate, You michelle as you assault your poor, Cat.

Speaker 2 (02:12:19):
Hi poor gigs and she won't come close.

Speaker 1 (02:12:22):
Enough, yeah because you heard, her you hurt. Her. No
but with all that, said let's wrap up twenty twenty.
FIVE i want to MENTION i did see a horror
film in the, theater which was the much Anticipated Five
nights At Freddy's part. TWO i Liked Five nights At

(02:12:44):
freddy's pretty. Well it's very heavy on world building because
the video games are so intricate and massive and full of.
LORE i Thought part two was a better horror. Film
it had more like big jump scares and shocking, moments
SO i really enjoyed. It. Good you have not Seen

(02:13:04):
Five nights At, freddy's, Son, yeah this is why we
can't have nice. Things.

Speaker 2 (02:13:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:13:10):
Yeah but the other THING i saw in the theater
that was really. Exciting it wasn't quite a horror, movie
but it's horror adjacent WAS i saw Kill bill the
whole bloody, affair the version of Kill bill where it's
one movie instead of two. Movies that was. Awesome that
was a really cool. Experience it had that extended anime. Sequence,
yeah it. Was it was almost three times as. Long.

Speaker 2 (02:13:32):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:13:33):
Yeah so one of the characters backstory was told as. Anime,
yeah and she Was.

Speaker 2 (02:13:40):
JAPANESE i mean that makes sense if it. Wasn't she
Will japanese.

Speaker 1 (02:13:46):
In her, defense her character is is Half japanese and
half and the other half Is american And. Chinese, Okay
so her becoming a yakuza boss is like a big
deal because they consider her like a Half they call.
Her one guy calls her a half breed and his
head off and then says, like please feel free to
bring me any and all, criticisms thank, you and then

(02:14:06):
throws the head down on the. Table but more, so
it's because she was fighting the yakuza and then becomes
the leader of the yakuza THAT i think is why
she's why it was done in, anime not just because
she Was, japanese but because the whole story Was. Japanese
because she's In japan and her father was a military
man and he gets murdered by the yakuza for gambling or.

Speaker 2 (02:14:28):
Something, yeah, yeah that's like it.

Speaker 1 (02:14:32):
Happens you, know that's just the way it. Goes so but,
no it was really cool to see And i'd just
forgotten so much how how integral to my childhood Kill
bill was because it was like the biggest movie. Ever
it was such a cool, movie and it came out
like right WHEN i was freaking, Fifteen like it's perfect
timing for me to watch it a million. Times, yeah
so it was really cool to see it in the. Theater.

(02:14:53):
Cool so before we get out of, here do we
have any year end reddit spooky stuff to talk? About?

Speaker 2 (02:15:00):
Yes so there. WAS i found that there's a subreddit
called like creepy ask reddit where they where they like
put the creepy things from Ask. Reddit they like put
them there SO i can find them. Maze so there
was one where let me figure out what the hell this.
Was it was like it was from what's the biggest

(02:15:24):
mystery you were? In or someone in your life has
like yet to be salved or something like that that
made any word. Sense, so like this person when they
were a, kid they had gone on vacation with their.
Family i'm trying to get back to. You and and

(02:15:47):
they came. Home the door had been broken, open and
there was a pool of blood just on the top
of their landing of their, stairs just a pool of.
Blood and also there was like some kind of like
look like bloodish trailish up the, stairs like.

Speaker 1 (02:16:06):
Bloodish.

Speaker 2 (02:16:07):
Yeah and also their bathroom cabinet was just like sprayed with,
blood but nothing was stolen or.

Speaker 1 (02:16:14):
Anything, okay well that's.

Speaker 2 (02:16:15):
Nice and the cops originally thought that an animal had
got like given birth or, something but then they found
out that the blood was human. Blood of, course and
the just the families always wondered what the hell, happened
and that's my.

Speaker 1 (02:16:29):
Thing so they tested it and said it was human. Blood,
yeah that's surprises me because that would be expensive AND
i wouldn't imagine the police would do that if nobody was.
COMPLAINING i guess they were. COMPLAINING i, mean why is
their blood all over my? House?

Speaker 2 (02:16:45):
Yeah somebody broke into their. House, yeah so they, WERE
i guess trying to figure out what.

Speaker 1 (02:16:50):
Happened that's so. Weird, YEAH i mean my only thought
would be like that it was something, innocuous like somebody
was injured and broke into their house to like wash
themselves or something and then just got out of. It
probably related.

Speaker 2 (02:17:03):
To, Crime, YEAH i mean my, thought and a lot
of people thought like maybe someone came in to commit
a crime and then they had a medical event and
they were just like so they like went to the,
bathroom like are there band? Aids is there? Anything and
then they just.

Speaker 1 (02:17:16):
Left, well like in the Movie The Nice, guys there's
a part where he busts he does the thing where
he puts the rag around his fist and busts the
glass so he can unlock the, door and he like
unlocks the door and has the door up as he
holds his hand up and he's completely sliced his wrist
up on the glass and he's, like, oh he's like
bleeding to death. Immediately or like that short FILM i
did where the guy is robbing the two people and

(02:17:38):
then he has a gallbladder attack in the middle of.
It that would. Suck, yeah WHENEVER i have a health,
Emergency i'm, like imagine IF i were doing something really
intense and illegal right?

Speaker 2 (02:17:49):
Now, yeah, yeah then what are you gonna?

Speaker 1 (02:17:51):
Do and Then i'm, like but why? Imagine, yeah so
so all, right before we get out of, Here, chell
any New year's? Resolutions, No. No on the EMAIL i
sent you about today's, SHOW i said you had to
have a New year's.

Speaker 2 (02:18:07):
Resolution i'm pretty SURE i didn't open that email on
purpose so THAT i wouldn't know about the.

Speaker 1 (02:18:13):
Head, well, then can your new year's resolution be to
open emails more or? Less whichever one you?

Speaker 2 (02:18:20):
Prefer we can do? More, SURE i, mean that's basically
impossible except for your, emails but THAT'S i. Guess.

Speaker 1 (02:18:27):
Yeah, well my new year's resolution is to become a
moderately decent. Beatboxer. AWESOME i WISH i was. Kidding i'm
not even.

Speaker 2 (02:18:35):
JOKING i think that that's a good.

Speaker 1 (02:18:38):
GOAL i was using my record, player AND i have
so many random vinyls that people have given me or
THAT i found it like a thrift store and just
took and then FORGOT i had it BECAUSE i didn't
have a. PLAYER i had A Fat boys record THAT
i didn't even KNOW i, had AND i played. IT
i was listening to the guy doing the, beatboxing AND
i was, LIKE i BET i could go on YouTube

(02:18:58):
and learn all the really heavy. Techniques, yeah it'd be,
Great but, like there's some of the tricks that you,
would like tapping their neck and. STUFF i was, LIKE
i BET i could learn all of.

Speaker 2 (02:19:06):
That, YEAH i think, So.

Speaker 1 (02:19:09):
So don't worry that will not be coming To Weekly.
Spooky before we get out of, HERE i just want
to say a heartfelt thank you to everybody who has
enjoyed the programming over the this, year and especially over
the last three. Months it's been. Insane i've never produced
so much content in my. Life i've never been so

(02:19:31):
tired in my, life But i've never been so fulfilled
in my. Life so thank you all so much from
the bottom of my, heart and thank You chell for
taking this ride with me every. Month with a plumb,
yeah you ruined. It, sorry, WELL i was going to
give you the final word for twenty twenty, five but

(02:19:51):
THEN i wasn't because it was going to be. Nice
so now you ruined, it so you have the final. Word.
Shell oh.

Speaker 2 (02:19:57):
Man, YEAH i gotta go take care of my cat
BECAUSE i flicked her in the.

Speaker 1 (02:20:03):
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