Cutting Deep into Horror | Event Horizon (1997) — Haunted Spaceship, Hell Clues & Ending Explained - Weekly Spooky: Scary Stories for Halloween

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, I'm so happy to have you on board my ship. Rachel.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's quite a ship. It is not what I was
expecting at all, is it.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Well, yes, the engine is in the front like a
Volkswagen Beetle, and a lot of people have actually said
they like it.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Okay, So there's a difference between quirky and beyond the
comprehension of uh man or god oh.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
You're talking about the They're like space ghosts but also
interdimensional beings. But also I'm not actually sure if they're
corporeal or not. It's a lot, yeah, it is, but
in space it's like it's like manufacturing candy. You know,
if you're gonna do great and you're gonna be prolific,

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there's gonna be some rat feces in there every now
and then, or in this case, unspeakable human terrors. But
we also have a an excellent dining hall. We also
have botchie ball and corn hole.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I don't, I don't, I don't know if I don't
know if having party games is going to cancel out
the there.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Is no party going on here. We're in constant threat
of death having to be in space as our jobs, Rachel.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Right, So why the Bochi ball then.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Because if you're tense all the time, how are you
going to get, you know, come through when all of
a sudden it's like, oh, I gotta fix the oxygen reclaimer.
But also this demon is tapping on my shoulder, trying
to remind me of the dead languages of the elder gods.
I'm starting to wonder if you've even passed your placement test. See,
I'm tense now, So let's go play boci ball. Okay,

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all we have to do is go through the hall
of eternal torment. Okay, after you oh no, oh, yes,
no no, I insist you'll enjoy yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
This podcast is about why horror scares us, what deep, dark,
secret scary cinema shines a light on. The discussions are
frank and involve conversations about abuse, trauma, and mental health.
There are also spoilers, so keep that in mind too. Now,

(02:25):
sharpen your machetes and straight raisers, because this is Cutting
Deep into Horror.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Hello, my spookies, and welcome back to Cutting Deep into Horror.
I am, of course, your host and narrator here at
Weekly Spooky Enrique Kuto, here with my good buddy co
host and space friend Rachel Ridolfi, Rachel, how are you
h feeling.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Kind of spooky with Yeah? With the sci fi movies
that we've been watching recently.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Well, and we're in the burr months now.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, finally officially in the bur months. Although the weather
is not letting us feel like we're in the back.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
That's not a fair statement. The weather changed after letting
us have the slightest taste of the burr months. Then
it was like, but anyway high in eighty nine to
ninety two range for like eight more days. But I'll
take it because I mowed the lawn last Friday and
the weather was just becoming in the high eighties again.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
And when I was mowing, I was literally a kicking
dust around. I was like, all right, well, if it
doesn't rain again, which is not supposed to this week,
I literally can't mow next week because I took a
week off and even then there was barely any growth.
So anything that gets me out of having to mow
the lawn I will take happily.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Absolve you of your responsibility.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Exactly, And you know it's funny now. So I just
had my birthday last week and and thank you all
the Weekly Spooky folks who sent in happy birthday messages
because the main show Weekly Spooky had a drop on
my birthday, so I of course mentioned in the whole
thing like, oh, and you know it's my birthday, because
that was the first time I'd ever had a Weekly

(04:15):
Spooky drop on my birthday. So I got a lot
of really nice messages and things like that, and even
a couple of gifts, which was super super sweet. But
I'm realizing how poetic it is that my birthday is
in September, because it's the I literally have a major
event in every Ber month because my birthday is in September,

(04:38):
because September would be the only month that doesn't have,
you know, a Halloween, a Thanksgiving, or a Christmas, right,
so then September is my birthday. So I like that.
I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, you get to kick everything off, kick off the festivity.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Why the hell not? Right, But I'm a big fan
of the bur month. Oh yeah, it is a bit
warm for it. Yeah, but we did have that like
four or five days where it felt like fall for real,
which ionically it was still summer when we felt those though,
So whoops.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Eh, the weather can't figure it out. It's Ohio though.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Well, you know what I like to say. What I
like to say, predicting the weather is a lot like
predicting the weather. You do say that, actually, because in
my opinion, the metaphor for being hard to predict is
the weather. Yeah, it is what we compare unpredictability too.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, like the best relatable thing to it. The only
thing you can use adam as a metaphor is the
thing itself.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, that's how unpredictable the weather is. Because when I
first was living outside of Ohio and traveling a ton
for work, I had grown up with the whole well,
if you don't like the weather in Ohio, wait five minutes.
And then I found out basically anywhere shy of like
Miami or San Diego, they all say that everyone, everyone

(05:58):
in a temperance climate, believes that they have the market
cornered on unpredictable weather. They really do. I was in
West Virginia, like, if you like the weather in West Virginia,
wait five minutes. You like the weather in Philly, wait
five minutes. You don't like the weather in Jersey, wait
five minutes. And I was like, Oh, this is just
everywhere because the weather is very hard to predict, accepted
a few little enclaves in the United States, and even then,

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I mean, you still might get surprised.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Hurricanes.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah, whoops, Yeah, I mean for real. So yeah, so
it's been it's been an interesting start to the Burr months.
I also got inducted into the Horror Host Hall of Fame,
which is weird to say out loud.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, but it did.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
It did happen like just a few days ago. So
that was cool, interesting experience. It's on my YouTube channel.
If anybody wants to check that out, they can find
my YouTube channel for it. I was gonna upload it
to the podcast feed, but the audio is as good
as I could get it, and I feel like it's like,
I don't know, I feel like listening to it on
headphones might be a little jarring, but maybe I'm just

(07:00):
being overly sensitive because my podcast has expensive microphones and
we did d I just want everything to sound great.
I can't help it. So but anyway, so there's been
a lot going on. Yeah, and on top of that,
the bur months mean, like this is September is the
prelude to spooky.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Season, so it's like the spooky pre game.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, I mean pretty much. So hey, hey, hey, we've
been watching some cool spooky movies. We've been getting cutting
deep back back in the swing of things, which is
always nice because usually if it falls off for a
little while, it always comes back in the burr months,
because that's the best time to watch scary stuff and
the best time to talk about it. And we're talking

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tonight about a film that I've always really enjoyed that
I feel has definitely definitely earned its audience later on
m Like, without a doubt, people people are very in
love with nineteen ninety seven's Event Horizon, directed by Paul

(08:06):
Anderson and written by Philip Eisner. But it's funny because
it bombed horribly at the box office. And we'll get
into that more in a moment, But we watched my
brand new collector's edition four K. So people love this movie.
It's just it's really it got its due way later. Yeah,

(08:26):
it did not get its due in the theater.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, it took a while for people to like realize
how good it is.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Well, it was also just a very expensive science fiction
horror movie, so that made it. You know, it had
a sixty million dollar budget. And it made forty two
million at the box office. If they had made it
for fifteen million, it would have been a hit. Yeah,
not saying they could have. I'm just saying if they
did that, it would have been a hit. Lots of
horror movies in that era that would be considered very

(08:55):
expensive fifteen million dollars for a horror movie, and they
would have been huge hits if they had that box office. Yeah,
So for that time period, especially because this was also
a weird time in horror history due to Scream reinventing
the wheel.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
If you watch horror films in the early to mid
nineties before Screamed, they're very different. People were expecting monster
movies to make a full comeback. That's why you have
movies like Deep Rising and stuff species the Relic. Yeah,
those were all people really thought, like, Oh, monsters are
about to make their comeback. And then Scream happened. And

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then also a lot of ghost stuff was kind of
being pushed, like the Thirteen Ghosts remake, the House on
Haunt Hill remake, a lot of stuff like that, which
event Horizon was like smack dab at the beginning of
that cycle as well, and we'll talk about a little
bit more of that and probably get cursed and die
in space after this. So we're back talking about nineteen

(10:07):
ninety seven's Event Horizon. It stars Laurence Fishburne, Sam Neil,
Kathleen Quinlan, and Jolie Richardson. Jolie it's literally Jolie. Okay, Oh,
I'm used to Jolie with an ie if it's a
woman's name. So I thought this was some kind of
a name I wasn't familiar with. That was Joel, but
then a y at the end, so I was like, oh,

(10:28):
it must be like to me, that sounds like Irish
or something. Yeah, like that's the version, but no Jolie Richardson.
The second I saw our picture, I was like, oh, yeah,
Jolie Richardson, Yeah, yeah, I know who that is. They
star in the film. It is a science fiction horror story,
which we are big fans of. Yes, well, you're just

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a big I mean I've always loved science fiction. I've
been a Star Trek fan for as long as I
can remember, and not just like a little fan, like
a very big fan.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, you're like, what is it? Died in the Wall.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
I've always always loved Star Trek And speaking of Star Trek,
if you want to watch Event Horizon, you can see
it on Paramount Plus with a subscription. You can see
it on MGM Plus with a subscription. You can also
find it on Fuboo TV, Fuobo TV, the Roku channel.
They all require subscriptions. Unfortunately, it is not available to

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watch anywhere for totally free, but it is available. I
would say Paramount Plus is probably your best bet, but
I will mention if you guys don't know this life hack.
If you're like, oh, man, I only want to watch
Event Horizon, but I've already had Paramount Plus, so I
can't get a free trial. If you sign up for
Paramount Plus through like Amazon Prime Video, or you sign
up with it through YouTube, you'll get another seven day trial. Ooh,

(11:49):
good to know often the case, So don't quote me
on that one hundred percent, but I'm pretty sure that
you can. You could do that. So if you're if
you're dying to watch Event Horizon also, I will say
places like Paramount Plus, places like Peacock, the best time
to like subscribe and then cancel in a month or
two is now because all the fun spooky season stuff.

(12:12):
The original movies, the indie movies, the classic movies you've
always liked. They're all going to be jumping onto all
the streaming services over the next two months.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh yeah, that's true. That's true.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
A lot of my favorite like time. Like uh, I
usually only have a Peacock subscription and a and a
couple of other ones only from September to December because
I want the Chrismas movies too, so, so I just
want to mention that too, Like that's there's never a
better time than right now as far as content drops
to just sign up for someplace. And I'm not sponsored
by Paramount Plus or anything obviously, so since I just

(12:45):
told you like ways, you could probably get around a
seven day free trial. But but yeah, if you were
ever gonna do it, that.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Would be the time. Now's your time.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
So but that's where you can watch Event Horizon right now,
and I recommend you watch it before we spoil it
a bunch. Although Event Horizon is kind of hard to
fully spoil because so much of it is exponential and
not story mm hm, So I think it'll be hard
to fully spoil it without you being able to see
it because a lot of what you see is what

(13:15):
kind of messes you up with the film?

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Right, Well, it's very similar to like when we were
talking about Fire in the Sky last week and we
both kind of mentioned, like, yeah, the thing that everyone remembers,
that everyone talks about is the short scene of you know,
being on the alien spaceship and you know being you know,

(13:38):
used as a scientific experiment. But that's such a small
part of the actual film. And it's very similar with
Event Horizon, where like you could state the plot, or
you could state like different imagery that they use as
jump scares throughout, but you're never going to be able

(13:59):
to fully convey the movie without just sitting down and
watching it.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, I would agree. I mean in most that's true
for most movies, but I think a lot that's a
lot of movies you could spoil them with words. Yeah,
it's a little hard, Like I could say, like and
it's the most terrifying you know, scarred faced monster that
doesn't tell you anything until you watch it. So yeah,
but I've always loved Event Horizon. The first time I

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saw it was probably in nineteen ninety eight on VHS tape,
and I was a deep devote to the sci Fi channel.
I lived basically on sci Fi Channel TBS USA and
Comedy Central like in Nickelodeon, Like that was where I

(14:46):
lived on the TV dial. So they had a TV
special about event Horizon where they talked about the science
fiction concepts, the concept of using an event horizon, the
literal scientific term to travel faster than light. You know,
they talked about all that stuff, and of course I'm
super into it because Star Trek fan, lifelong Star Trek fan.

(15:08):
I mean, I was a lifelong Star Trek fan. When
I was eleven and twelve years old. I had already
been a Star Trek fan like for four years at
that point, so I was always super engrossed in science fiction,
and there weren't a ton of really scary sci fi films.
I mean, we've talked about how horror and sci fi

(15:29):
goes together great in every way except box office. It
goes together great from a audience standpoint, it goes together
great from a thematic standpoint, but it does not go
together very well in the realm of horror. With a
few gigantic exceptions, yeah, the main one being Alien. Yeah,
but Alien is so good and so loved people forget

(15:51):
it's basically a horror movie. They forget that it's a
horror movie on a spaceship, especially because much like Terminator,
I Run because Alien, Aliens and Terminator two are directed
by James Cameron. But much like with Terminator and Terminator two,
people tend to forget how much of a horror movie
the first Terminator is because Terminator two is a big

(16:13):
It is one of the biggest adventure movies of all time. Yeah,
real it. Ironically, it pretty much unseated Aliens, which was
the biggest one before that, and that was also James Cameron.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
But he just liked to outdo himself known for that.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
I mean, that's a very common thing. But aside from
those notable exceptions, horror sci fi just there's something about it.
It just doesn't tend to click that often. But there
are tons of really interesting horror sci fi examples that
people often forget. I believe it was the fourth hell
Raiser movie is in space.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, actually I wanted to bring that up because you know,
you were the one who showed me Event Horizon first,
and you're also the one who showed me the hell
Raiser movies, and we did a hell Raiser like marathon
and it was Hell Raiser Bloodline, which came out a

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year before, and as we were rewatching Event Horizon last night,
I kept thinking, like, man, this is like hell Raiser Bloodline,
but serious and like actually scary, because at that point
Bloodline was like fully in camp mode.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
I feel, Oh, Hellraiser three, you know as the guy
who shoots CDs at people.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh that's right, I totally forgot.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
So yeah, I'm glad that you brought that up, because
that was one thing that really struck me is how
similar but how different they were. And they had only
come out, you know, a year apart from each other.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
So well, and Pinhead wasn't the only one to head
to Space, and I'll talk all about that right after this.
So before I dive into that horror history of Space,

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I also want to mention Star Trek was not afraid
to dip its toe in horror concepts. And I'm not
going to talk about TOS. Although I love TOS, it
was a more campy show. So even when they did
things like The Man Trap or Mary or Kat's Paw
Cat's Paul was really fun because it was basically just

(18:36):
Star Trek Halloween Special. But they were fun and spooky
but they weren't scary in a way that I would say,
like as a kid watching it with like holy crap.
But Star Trek next generation stuff like night Terrors where
the crew is plagued by hallucinations and they can't sleep.

(18:56):
That one messed me up super bad because there was
one where where I think it was Riker like lays
down to go to sleep and then his like his
door rings, just like the second exets his head down
his door rings, and it's because he literally like they
depicted as if he didn't experience any sleep whatsoever. And
I thought that was really really cool and creepy.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, Schisms where like there's alien abduction and like body mutilation,
and there's a ton of other ones like phantasms where
data has like all the surreal dreams.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, I remember that one, and I remember that one
like really messing me up as a kid too.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
But where they really went nuts was DS nine and Voyager,
because I mean there was an episode Deep Space nine
called Whispers where there was body snatcher paranoia, like like
people were being replaced. There was an episode called empoc
Noor which was going to the sister space station of
Deep Space nine, which was tarok Noor empoc Nor was

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the abandoned one that's identical except it's been abandoned and
it was literally like a haunted space station with homicidal Cardassians.
It was like a slasher movie. Really great one. There
was the uh oh my guess. There were some that
were like War as Hell ones too, and I think

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it was Whispers. I can't remember. I Whispers was the one.
There was one episode where they're on the Defiant, which
is a smaller spacecraft, and they decode some communication that
suggests there is a changeling on board, which the Changelings
were the leaders of the Dominion, the Evil Empire, and
it's just the thing. It just becomes the thing. They're

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trying to figure out who's not who they say. They
are on this tiny ship in the middle of deep
space where they're flying in enemy territory, so they have
to be cloaked the whole time and stuff. It's really
really fun. But then Voyager, which was the only Star
Trek series I watched from start to finish as it aired.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Ooh, so it's.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Extra special to me. But they had an episode called
the Thaw, which had like a killer clown in it.
There was one called Darkling where the doctor did personality
experiments like because he was trying to you know, learn
who he was, and it goes like really really dark.
There's literally an episode called the Haunting of Deck twelve

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where it's a ghost story basically that Deck twelve everybody.
Everybody just kind of knows Deck twelve is kind of
spooky because you got to remember Voyager, they're lost in
space and they're trying to make it home and if
they fly at full speed, they'll be home in like
ninety four years. Oh yeah, that's the concepts. They're trying
to find shortcuts and tricks and stuff like that, and
also they have to have enough energy, enough food. They

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have to they're all alone. Yeah, so it makes even
more sense because unlike Star Trek Next Generation, where people
lived on the ship, but they would go to Earth
and they would do surely and they do these things, yea,
they don't have that it's their home entirely. So I
was like, of course, there's like you know about Deck twelve,
like that's the creepy deck, like because they're like they've
been on the ship for like four years non yeah,

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with like little breaks on friendly alien planets. But everywhere
they go, they don't know if it's gonna be friendly
because they have no they have no The Federation isn't
known out there. They have no they have no outright allies. Yeah,
so they did some really cool ones like that. They
did one episode which I wish I could remember. There
was one episode where there was a serial killer on board.
I can't remember the title of it off the top

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of my head. There was one episode where although that
one's a little less horror and more about, you know
the concept of like what do we do with this
guy now that we captured him, Like we can't kill him,
that's against our values, but like so we have to
make him just live in this room forever. But there's
an episode later on where I don't know how much
later on, but it paid off awesome where these guys

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invade Voyager and he just gets loose and he lets go.
And he had been through Vulcan mind technique. He was
not Vulcan, but through Vulcan mind technique, he had been
coming to peace with who he was and he just
had to like let that go and start like horizing
the ship full of guys and you had forgotten he
was on the ship.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
So there were a lot of cool things like that.
There was also one where they had a mirror universe
thing where it turns out that the other universe Voyager
had like been devoid of all of all concept of
morality and they were like they had captured these space
aliens that had energy centers as like what makes them
be alive and literally drained them of their lives to

(23:24):
make their ship go faster, oh for like hundreds of
thousands of light years. So these ghost monsters are like
after them, So then they start going after the Voyager
crew on the other dimension as well. There's all kinds
of crazy things in Voyager. God, yeah, there's all kinds
of things in Enterprise. There was an episode called dead
Stop where this like automated station was harvesting human bodies.

(23:48):
There's there's a lot of awesome start. I'm sorry, I'm
a starterk nerd, So I went into that NonStop. No,
I'm not even going to apologize. That's just that's just
what you see is what you get with me. Pal
on the genuine article, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, plains trains already, Yeah, yeah, you better believe it.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
So that was that was what that was what one
of my early introductions to like horror and space was.
But I remember renting Event Horizon because it was non
stop being talked about everywhere, and watching that alone in
my bedroom maybe alone in the living room scared the
crap out of it.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Because I was allowed to rent kind of whatever, it
was like not a big deal. By the time I
was like nine, it was just like whatever is fine,
but I had to The rule was like, you could
rent whatever if you're gonna watch it by yourself, because
like I would, you know, I'd be like, oh, I
want to I want to see you know, I want
to see Halloween h two. Oh, and my mom would
be like, oh, that sounds cool, Jamie Lee Curtis is awesome.

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She'd watch it with me. But if I was like, oh, man,
I want to watch hell Raiser five, she'd be like, okay,
Like have fun, I'm not watching you. Like, you know,
like you're you're old enough that you you said you're
like you're old enough to watch these scary things, so
you don't need your mommy to watch them with you,
you know, right, So if I admitted, like, but I'm
too scared to watch myself, she'd be like maybe you
should be watching a little less horror movies. And I'd

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be like, no thing, We're dead.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
You know, anything but that, anything.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
But that, this cruelty knows no end. So so yeah,
like if it was the New Nightmare on Elm Street,
Mom would be like, hell, yeah, let's watch you know,
a new Wes Craven's a new Nightmare. I remember vividly
when she came home to our apartment or to our townhouse.
I think we were in the townhouse at that point

(25:28):
with a pizza and she got it from block and
I was so excited and we sat on the floor
and ate pizza and watched it from start to finish.
And I still remember though, Mom being really into it,
but a few times turning and be like this doesn't
scare you, and I'd be like, no, I'm terrified. So anyway,
like I yeah, So I remember renting this, watching it

(25:51):
by myself, being very disturbed but loving it. And from
then on, even though I saw it very young, so
I didn't remember a ton of it like five years later,
I mean, you remember how it made you feel. It.
I always held it in high reverence as like a
kind of like secret. I really liked it. Some people
didn't that's their problem kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah. Yeah, so you were like the the the hipster kid,
like I discovered it before. It was cool.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Almost, but it was more it was sadder than that.
It was more just like I know a lot of
other people don't like that, but I really like it,
so I don't care. Yeah, it were lost because I
didn't know people liked it until I was almost eighteen
years old. Is when I found out like that it
had a cult following. I mean, but a lot of
horror movie trends, like people loving Event Horizon people, you

(26:40):
know what people hated when I was a teenager and
now they have massive love for Texas Chainsaw Massacre two.
It was considered like what the hell is this when
I was a kid, really by like the average goer,
but the big one that people still try to deny
Halloween three. People were just like what the hell is
Halloween three? And then like five or six years later

(27:01):
it became it's great. I mean, like they discovered how
good it was. But like Halloween three and Texas Chancela
two were things that I loved very young and I
couldn't believe other people didn't ye and then one day,
I was like, Oh, everybody's with me. Now I'll take it.
I'll take it. So we're gonna take a quick break,
and then I want you to talk about the first time.
I'm assuming I showed you Event Horizon right after this,

(27:36):
So this time we watched it last night on the new,
brand new four K, which looked gorgeous. Not that the
Blu ray was lacking to begin with, but that four
K is just sick, is sick. But I assume, like
I joked before the break, that I was the one
who showed it to you in the first place, because

(27:56):
I knew that wasn't your first time watching.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
It obviously, Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
We've watched so many movies for the like for your
first time, it can be a little hard for me
to know. So do you have much of a memory
of that first time I showed it to you?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
I think I do, because I think that was that
was kind of the moment, the Eureka moment when you realized, like,
just how rabid I can get for sci fi?

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Oh yeah? DEEPII I am well. And for those who
don't know, the way I define deep sci fi is
once you're talking about a usually there're books very few
deep sci fi movies exist because deep sci fi like
there aren't even humans.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, yeah, no, I I am like there are no humans.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Like the more theoretical you get, the more I'm into it. Yeah. So,
if I remember correctly, you and I had like you'd
been you'd been kind of introducing me to different horror movies,
and we'd gotten to like the slasher movies, and it

(29:05):
was about the point we've gotten through like, of course,
the Halloween franchise, or at least most of it, because
there's a lot. We'd gotten through a lot of Nightmare
on Elm Street, we'd gotten through a lot of I
think we'd started on Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and you were
kind of wondering, like where to go next, And I

(29:29):
had mentioned being interested in like hell Raiser, but I'd
also mentioned, like, really, my broadest exposure to a lot
of themes in horror would come from like old literature
like Poe or like Lovecraft, and that kind of perked

(29:51):
your interest. So you showed me in the Mouth of Madness.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, which in the Mouth of Madness because it stars
Sam Neil and it is super duper scary and it's
about like insanity and Dark Forces. They're a very good
double feature. They are Event Horizon and In the Mouth
of Madness.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
And that's that's what kind of got you onto it
is after we watch after we finished In the Mouth
of Madness, I was like, oh my god, that was
so fucking fantastic. I like I would watch it all
over again. And You're like, well, how do you feel
about sci fi? What about like we what if we
watch Event Horizon? I was like, I love sci fi.

(30:29):
And then when when we got done with that, that
was that was kind of like became your mission of like, Okay,
all of the tent pole sci fi horror movies is
what we're going to be watching next. So that was
that was that sounds.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
That sounds right to me. And and I want to
mention real quick in case I accidentally teased too much.
I got on a on another tirade and left out
some of the other notable Space franchise shifts. The most
famous one is Jason X in Space. Have I shown
you that?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (31:02):
I have the four K now it just came out.
I love Jason X. I saw that in the theater
four times. I think it's it is really is like
Star Trek with Jason in it just enough. It is
not enough to be sued, but just enough. There is
a great part where it says, kn't you just like
beam us out of here? And he goes, beam, what
does beam mean? And I just thought that was so funny.

(31:22):
It's so good that, you know, because she's from our time,
so it's like, oh right, that was science fiction. The
reality is like gonna be different, yeah than that. But
also Leprechaun Leprechawn four is in space. Oh really, I
believe it's four, not three. But Critters four is in
space as well, which is funny because they come from space,

(31:44):
so they end up in space. It adds up. So
those are the most famous examples of big budget are
well loved. Sometimes big budget franchise is going the way
of space, and that became a running joke because of
these these franchises that were less well loved, because like

(32:07):
the Redheaded Stepchild of horror franchises were Hell Raiser, which
I think only the first three went to theaters, or
it might have only been the first two. I think
it was the first three. H Then you know, you
had Children in the Corn, which I think only the
first two went to theaters. You had Gremlins or not Gremlins, Critters,
which again I think only the first two went into theaters,

(32:27):
like a lot of those went straight to video eventually,
and and Leprechaun, which only the first two I believe
went to theaters at least massively wide. So it became
kind of a joke like, oh, the lesser franchises, these
ones that ended up going direct to video, they all
end up in Space and by all three, which is
still quite a few. So then when Jason went to Space,
everybody's like, oh my god, that would become the parody

(32:49):
idea of jumping the Shark was going to space, and
Jason's like, We're going to Space.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
We're doing it.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
I'll never forget. When that trailer dropped for them with
Jason and Space for Jason X and for again, people
were like this is so lame, and then like let
the bodies hit the floor started like blaring while all
the crazy stuff was happening, and I was like, need, need,
Because it got shelved for several years. Really, oh, we
sat waiting for forever. I actually I actually saw it

(33:18):
off a bootleg before because it had leaked like a
year or two before it came out, so I watched
it on a VCD. Anyway, manimal, my back hurts. I'm
thirty nine years young now, baby, but no, but yeah,
So anyway, that was just a quick I wanted to
mention that stuff because I had teased I was going
to mention like my knowledge of all this in spaces,

(33:40):
and but then it became, like a lot of things,
it went from being like a cringe like ug to
a hope. So I remember like the whole era where
people were like, God, when is Freddy gonna go to space? Like,
come on, we're waiting. It's been so long. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And sometimes I missed that, that that simplistic existence, you know,

(34:04):
when they're like, oh god, what is the next you know,
what is the next Saw movie going to be? I'm like,
just go to space already, shut up us.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Jigsaw in space? That would be so sick.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
It would be hard, though, because I don't think you've
seen all the Saw movies.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I haven't seen any. Actually, oh well, that's why that's
why I thought it was so funny, is because I don't.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Know the Jigsaw himself is like a corporeal human being,
So getting the concepts into space would require a lot
of thought and efforts. Yeah, he's not like immortal or something.
That's that's the best I can do without being a
big fat spoiler. Because we got to watch the Saw movies.
Maybe we'll make that our October goal is to watch
like all the Saws. Okay, but you know who needs

(34:47):
to be in space and it makes perfect sense in
every way. Who? I'll tell you right after this. All right,
so now we'll talk. Okay, Now, I'm not going to

(35:09):
leave you on that hand. I'm not going to not
say no, the perfect thing to go to space is
Final Destination.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Oh yeah, No, you're absolutely a million percent correct.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
That's why I was so confident when I when I
started saying it, is like yeah, because because like that's perfect.
It's because what can go wrong in space everything, which
is a perfect segue into where we're headed. So Event
Horizon is a is basically about a ship called the

(35:43):
event Horizon, which uses an event horizon to travel faster
than light. And it's disappeared. The ship disappeared, and now
we're hanging out with a doctor played by Sam Neil
whose name is Weir. And the reason I were remember
that is because I was like, oh yeah, like the
guy who wrote The Martian. His last name is I

(36:03):
think he's Yeah. Yeah, so doctor Weir, who built the
Event Horizon. We're following him as he gets on board
a ship called the Lewis and Clark, and we're in
some future era I'm not sure exactly. Yep, I found
it right when you Yeah, we're in twenty forty seven.
And these are astronauts that seem to be like almost

(36:25):
like maybe I might be using the term wrong, but
like merchant Marines, they are not they're not military, like
they don't fight, but they know how to fight. Yeah,
but they're mostly about taking ships from point A to
point B and point A to point B and doing
all kinds of space yeah. Well, and just transportation is
just dangerous in space.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Everything is dangerous in space? Are you kidding?

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I mean, I'm always kidding, but you're also right. So,
and they're going to go out because apparently it's super
classified in top secret, but they figured out where the
Event Horizon is and it's just outside of Tune, yeah,
which is pretty far away, so far in fact that
the captain Captain Miller played by Lawrence Laurence Fishburne points

(37:11):
out when Sam Neil's character is trying to be kind
of he's trying to not be lackadaisical. He's trying to
just be a little less than serious. Like he's trying
to be casual is a good word, you know, by
saying like, well you have to say it's like, sir,
please understand with no disrespect. The last time a was
it the last time a rescue mission was sent this
far from the nearest outpost, all both ships were lost,

(37:34):
So could you just tell us what we're doing? Yeah? Yeah,
I love that moment though, because it's like that's that
momentere you're like, yeah, what they do is already really dangerous,
and now they're doing something insanely dangerous that they're not
even allowed to know much about why they're doing it.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
It's kind of a big deal. It's rough, it's a
big deal.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
And as far as the ship goes, I believe the crew.
We have Kathleen Quinlan as Peters. She's a medical technician,
Jolie Richard we mentioned, who's a Lieutenant mL Stark, she's
a communications officer, Richard T. Jones, who's TF Coodfer. He's
the rescue technician of Lewis and Clark Jack Knows Where

(38:11):
who plays ensign FM Justin he's the chief engineer. Jason
Isaac who is DJ. He's the medical doctor, although he
refers to himself simply as trauma because you know that's
what he is. And Sean Pertwee plays w F. Smitty
Smith just known as Smitty most of the time, and
he's the pilot of the Lewis and Clark. All of

(38:34):
these characters are really interesting. They all have they all
have something to notice that's worth noticing. Like it's a
really good cast, really well cast team.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, and there it's you know, it's the mid nineties,
so you're you're kind of primed and ready for the
characters to all be like you know, similar to hal
Razor bloodline, to be kind of like campy or something.
But overall, they're all very believable and very well fleshed out,

(39:09):
which is incredibly important to the plot and to the scares.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Well and to the tension of just the idea of
like you want to see these people make at home.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, because they're real people to you. So like doctor
Peters just the relationship that the movie kind of shows
with is it her son or daughter son that you know,

(39:42):
really pulls at your heart strings. And then you know
Captain Miller Lawrence fish Burn's character, what he's gone through
as as we learn more about his character, because at first,
at first you're just kind of like, wow, he's just
like the gruff space captain, the no nonsense kind of guy.

(40:04):
And then as the movie progresses, you start to realize like, no,
he's actually he's fighting demons and there's reasons in his
past for why he is the way.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
He is, and he's very intense. He's very obviously demanding
because he's a captain of a ship mm hmm. But
everything he says, every demand he makes, is very clearly
in the interest of his crew. Yeah, it's very clear
that while they're close, the crew and the mission are
not tied.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
The crew is first, the mission is a very very
close second. Yeah, So which makes sense too. I mean,
if you're flying a spaceship deep into space all the time,
your crew becomes everything to you. It's just like any
other like uh, you know, like military thing where you
have a team mm hmm. You become everything to each other.

(40:58):
You are you know, that's what Stars is all about.
You know, when when a season of start or a
series of Star trek ends. The big thing is like,
oh yeah, everybody like loves each other because they've been
around each other so much. Yeah, so and when but
especially in things like military stuff, I mean, you literally
live and die by your team, so it's super important.
It's super important, and he expresses it so believably.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
M hmm. That's That's what I really love about this is.
You know, we were talking last night as we as
we were watching the movie, where we were talking about how,
like a so much of this movie, especially for like
the first act, is really all about the performance between

(41:44):
all of the all of the actors, because if any
one of them would have been phoning it in or
would have made it feel like hacky or campy, then
the whole thing would have fallen apart for the rest
of the movie. But all of them were very believable
in their roles. And that's also what I really liked
is the the difference in approach and mindset between doctor

(42:09):
Weir and all of the rest of the crew, because
the rest of the crew like is very much from
the moment they get out of like hyperspace or whatever,
not hyperspace, but you know, but.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
They're traveling in there in stasis sleep for like fifty
six days, I think it will.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, So the moment they're out of space stasis, they're
all like immediately locked in and you know, ready for danger.
And doctor Weir meanwhile like this is just fun and
games to.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Him, Well, well it isn't. It isn't. And that's kind
of the interesting dichotomy of doctor Weir. And we'll talk
about that more right after this. When it comes to

(43:02):
doctor Weir, he has the bizarre element which makes the
audience think, like what's with him? Of the fact that
he is like a little playful, a little theatrical, I
think would be a good word for it, Like he
wants to tell a story. He wants to he wants
to oddly connect on a human in a human way,
even though they're going into like seriously dangerous mission. But

(43:25):
yet like when he goes into Stacy's sleep, he has
like horrific nightmares. He wakes up from stasis like screaming, yeah.
And they're in like a water tank basically that that
keeps you, you know, asleep while you while the ship
travels for fifty six days or whatever amount of time
is necessary. That way, the crew doesn't require much oxygen,

(43:46):
basically any food or any water to some extent or
much much less, which allows the makes it, you know,
possible to travel to travel so far. So it is
fascinating to me that they show him having these like
truly mortifying nightmares that are you know, I mean, they're
just so terrifying in an upsetting Yeah, they do that,

(44:10):
and then he's the one who wants to like flourishly,
flourishingly tell them like, here's why we're doing this, here's
why the ship does this and this, and they're yeah,
their attitude is just like, look, we could die out
here doing this. Could you just tell us what we're
doing so we can get back to work. Yeah, And
then there's that one part I love when Laurence Fishburne's
character is the one of the uh, the female crew members.

(44:32):
I forget which one off the top of my head,
but I think it was the one with the sun.
But she notices him, like he falls out, like screaming
and stuff. So she grabs onto him and like tells
him like you're okay, You're okay, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
She's trying to calm him down, and she's like, let's
get him some coffee. Let's you know whatever, and she
said while she's helping him, Laurence Fishburne comes in there
and he's like and he tells her like, I need
you to get to the bridge. And she's like, well,
do you mind if I put on some clothes first,
because she's they're all wearing like the women are in
like sports bras, and the guy or in like you know,
like tidy whities basically, and she's like, do you mind
if I get dress words He's like, I do mind?

(45:05):
Actually to the bridge now, and I was like, fucking e,
Like yeah, because they're not playing around. They're in space, yeah,
you know, and and they their survival recounts relies on
not only their equipment being right, but they're people being right.
So I love that moment of like the fact I
do mind. It's like, that's the kind of ship you're on.

(45:25):
You'll end up in the bridge in your skivvies if
you're wasting too much time.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, don't don't waste time.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Well, and that's the thing when you're on a when
you're I mean, not that I know personally, I've never
served anything other than like some ice cream to friends,
but like, but when you're on a ship like that,
I mean you are, there's no your off time is designated. Yeah. Yeah,
but generally speaking, unless you're on shore leave or whatever,

(45:54):
you are working. Like that's why. That's why when you
do like oil rig work, that's why you make so
much money. Is like you live to do that job
every day of the week except for a designated day off.
So like you should expect to wake up, eat breakfast,
do that job all day long, and have maybe an
hour before you can't keep your eyes open anymore, and

(46:14):
then back to it. That's why you make good money. Yeah,
And that's why, and that's why the turnover is so high.
So yeah, I just love that. And I've always heard
that Supposedly the first cut of Event Horizon was like
one hundred and thirty minutes and the studio chopped the
hell out of it because the version that everyone knows
is ninety five minutes long.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, well, you and I You and I had actually
like commented on that several times last night. House felt
the movie is how it moves along at a great clip,
but it never feels rushed. It just it just kind
of feels like this is the movie we're telling the
whole story and then the end. But I have heard

(46:58):
that there's a much longer, much goorier version, and I
kind of wonder, like I wonder if it would be
magnified or diluted because of the longer run time.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, that's and that's always the question though. That's always
the question with director's cuts, extended cuts, unrated cuts, is
like does it actually make the movie work less because
you know it this way? Yeah, and sometimes it does
hurt them. And I will say because one thing that
stuck out, stuck out to me, having not seen the
movie for a year or two, was Yeah, like we

(47:34):
are right in and the crew is sitting there talking
and being explained to what event horizon is like within
ten minutes, you really learn so much about the crew
in such a short amount of time before they are
outside of Neptune getting ready to discover unspeakable horrors beyond
all human recognitions.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, yeah, no wasted movement. And there's one thing that
I noticed the second watch through, because you know, the
first time, I was a new new baby to horror,
so I really hadn't like learned the medium. I hadn't learned,

(48:12):
you know, kind of the pacing that it generally follows.
But one thing that I noticed this second go around
is it utilizes jump scares a lot, but it manages
to keep them fresh throughout the whole movie. Definitely, so

(48:32):
you never, you know, I mean, every single time there
is a jump scare, and again there's a lot, you
feel like it's still adding something to the plot. It
doesn't just feel like they're doing it just because they're
being lazy, which I feel some horror kind of gets
into that area.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, I mean it could for sure.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
So that's that's one thing that I like is, you know,
it's starts with the jump scares with Doctor Weir's like
visions when he is in the you know, kind of stasis,
and every single time there's a jump scare, it reveals
something about the characters or reveals something about the event

(49:17):
horizon itself, And that's kind of pretty cool way to
go about it.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yeah, I would have to agree very much. And the
characters really, I mean I've said it before and I'll
say it again, they really are what kind of make
it all saying.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
So yeah, no, I absolutely agree, and it is it
is getting to learn them through their fears is a
very interesting way that the movie stays fresh because not
only are we learning about the characters, you know, as
they're exploring the Event Horizon and as they're kind of

(49:51):
learning what's going on, but we're also learning a lot
about them just how they interact with and how they
cope with with the unmitigated terror that they're facing.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, and as we start to talk about when they
arrive and see the Event Horizon and begin their plans
to go in and see if anyone's alive and find
out what happened to it. That is where as I've
always loved to say some kind of shit hits some
kind or the shit hits some kind of fan And
we'll get to that right after this. So the crew

(50:38):
of the Lewis and Clark has found the Event Horizon
just out by Neptune and things are getting a little hairy.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
So they've just found the ship, and first doctor Weir
has to explain like what makes it so special, which
is very nice because he's the one that invented it
and designed it.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Which is how we find that out, because then they're like,
they're like, so you know, I forget they say they
asked some question about it. He says, I built it.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, like I built it.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
It wasn't something like how do you know all this?
Because of course he would know all this because he's
the briefed person on the mission. But they I forget
exactly what they said. They asked a question, he said,
I built it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, Well I think it was kind of like why,
like what do you want to do with it? Because
that's the thing is it does The movie does set
up that the Event Horizon seven years ago, when the
ship disappeared, that was literally the worst disaster in space ever,
and so nobody knew about well they didn't know what

(51:41):
happened to it. They just knew that it was a
huge disaster, right, I thought that's what the text at
the beginning said.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
They didn't know what the Event Horizon was.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Okay, maybe I'm misremembered.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Well no, it's what I'm saying is it was top secret, right, Like, no, no,
it was one of the biggest disasters, but nobody knew
about it. Like the crew didn't know about it, Okay,
on Horizon. I mean they may have heard like a
whisper of like a ship disappeared or whatever, but like
they didn't know what the event Horizon was because that
was totally a secret m because they were experimenting with

(52:11):
technology that you know.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
No one, no one even thought possible.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Well, and I'm sure that there there are probably people
they don't want to know about it. I would just
I would just assume. So, yeah, no, that's the thing
is like it was one of the worst things ever happened.
It was also generally a secret mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
And that's why he has to explain it. And it's
kind of fun because, uh, you know, oftentimes as scientists does.
He he starts trying to explain it and he's using all
of these big technical jargon terms and everyone's like, we
don't even understand that. And one of the guys was like,
do you even speak English? And he's like, okay, So
he explains.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
You know, Layman's terms. Layman's terms speak English. Yeah, it's
such a great line.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
And so he explains, like the way the ship functions
is instead of going faster than light, it creates a
gateway and it bends space time around the gateway, travels
through the gate, and then once it exits the gate,
space time goes back to normal, which, of course is

(53:12):
just as excusing as or just as a confusing as
the technical science jumbo mumbo jumbo. But as they're as
they're getting ready to get onto the ship, they find
a recording that is absolutely horrendous and it's just got
you know, wailing and screaming, and they can hear what

(53:36):
sounds like a voice, and it sounds like it's possibly
speaking Latin mm hm like it, and it sounds like
it says liberate me, which which translates to save me.
So that kind of spurs them on because what they

(53:56):
understand their mission is is they need to find the
event horizon, which they just did, and then they need
to figure out what happened to it and where it went.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
And they possible anybody survived.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah, and rescue any survivors, which again it's been seven years,
so that's a tall order, but that's that's what they
need to do. So getting a recording, no matter how
terrifying it is, that says save me is a reason
for them to kind of really stoke the fire and
get the rescue going. So I believe that it's mostly

(54:31):
doctor Weir has to stay on their ship for a
while and it's the rest of the crew.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
He's not experienced anything going into potentially hazardous environments and
stuff like that. So he's watching the video coming from
their the spacesuits. Of the two of the I think
it was just one person goes in first.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
No, No, there were multiple No, there was multiples because they
all split up, which of course is you know, stereotypical
haunted house horror trope. Let's go into the haunted house. Now,
let's all split up. Can go wrong.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
There's another reason other than the message that they're going
on the ship. They're getting a life signal, but it's
not specific.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Oh that's right. They keep getting life readings and it's
just like scattered.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
The entire ship is like scat has like minor, like
mild readings. So they're like, well, we can't pinpoint where
it is, but there's life on the ship.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
So that's the other reason. They're like, we can't not
get on board.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Yeah at all. We kind of have to because again
that's one of their orders is to search for survivors.
So when they when they finally get on the ship,
one of the first things that you know that I
noticed the first time, but I've really noticed it again
watching it after having watched Fire in the Sky last

(55:46):
week is how dirty and grimy the spaceships are, which
is such amazing storytelling, just a way of signifying like,
not only has time I have not only as time passed,
but enough time is passed that things have started to

(56:06):
you know, decay and trash is everywhere.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
And the design is generally.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Gothic Yeah, yeah, which is again a very very beautiful
touch and a really cool way of paying homage to
the kind of Lovecraftian ideas that get played with in
this movie.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Well, and I mean for many, for all intents and purposes,
it is a haunted house movie. I mean down to
the fact that Jupiter has a constant as a gas
giant has like constant storms. Yeah. And when they get
on the event horizon, there's literally lightning going off outside
the windows.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah, which is so great.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Oh it's perfect. It's so breakin' perfect, because at no point.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Are you like really lightning in space. You're just like, oh,
it's so it's so spooky and like you you and
I even joked about it. I was like, yeah, but
Nebula like are basically just big giant storms in space,
and like there's lots of weird systems that you could
travel through that it would it would be like a

(57:17):
big lightning storm or a big thunderstorm.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Well on the planet below them, there's literally what appears
to be a gigantic hurricane just zooming around the planet
non stop, which.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Again gas giant like and that's that Again. That's one
of the reasons that I love the merger of horror
and sci fi is you don't even have to lie
all that much to make space utterly terrifying. Yeah, all
you have to do is tell the truth of Like, yeah,
and there's a giant hurricane on the surface of Jupiter

(57:51):
that's been going on for like four billion years. That's
not okay.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
That's fun. Good to know. Oh, so we've built up
the atmosphere a bit as far as the ship goes,
but we haven't really gone into everything they see. You
mentioned that it is dirty, but of course there's no
gravity in the ship. And just in case you've literally
never seen event Horizon, there is gravity on the ship

(58:18):
they were coming up in. So they have some form
of artificial gravity that they use on their ships just
in case. You know, if you've never seen it, you
might think they're floating around all the time. But when
they get on this ship. They have magnetic boots so
that they can walk around and see, you know, what's
going on here and all the flotsam and jetsam that's
moving around. But one of the first flotsams or jetsams

(58:42):
is something you really hope you wouldn't find, and we'll
tell you all about it right after this. As there
walking along, one of the astronauts gets hit in the

(59:03):
helmet by a severed arm. Oh yeah, the arm and
everything everything is frozen because it's the temperature of space,
so the arm is frozen. And then they discover a
corpse that's frozen. And while all this is going on,
one of the younger members of the team whose name

(59:25):
I forget, the one that they call baby Bear, baby Bear,
baby Bear, he goes down through engineering, and of course
doctor Weir is standing around telling them where to go,
because he knows the ship in every way. You know,
he could say like, and the you're gonna go through
this corridor mega left, that's ops besides this, and that's engineering.
And when they're going through the engineering area, there's a

(59:47):
hallway through it that literally looks like they describe it
as it looks like a meat grinder. It's just this
this insane spinning metal hell.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
It's it's very much like in the Haunted Houses, those
long spinning tunnels. Oh yeah, that we went through. Yeah
you you were like absolutely delighted when when they showed
that tunnel. But it is very similar, and it's it's
just as effective because it's so disorienting, especially as they're floating.

(01:00:19):
Oh yeah, or you know, kind of floating kind of
walking because they've got the magnetic boots. But yeah, So
so Justin starts going down that long hallway and he's
being guided, he's being guided verbally by weird and then

(01:00:40):
something kind of happens that like there's a big shock wave,
isn't there or and then the cameras go out, so
they can't really see each other, they can't see what's
going on, and that kind of that, isn't that when
the guy gets sucked.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
In, Well, he walks up to it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Oh, he walks up to the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Event horizon and it's just it looks, honestly like the
stargate and stargate it's just like this portal and the
middle of it looks almost like it's liquid. And he
had pointed out that there was liquid floating all over engineering,
which appeared to be coolant that had leaked.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I forgot. He did mention that it was the cool one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Yeah, there's cool and everywhere because when he goes to
like check the stations and stuff, he's wiping it off
of everything. And as he walks up to the event horizon,
the literal event horizon, it's just a it looks like
just a gateway, and he decides to like peek in
to see what the hell it is, and he gets
pulled through and he's on a tether and the tether

(01:01:45):
starts pulling like crazy, which tells one of the shipmates
that he's got to get suited and go in there
and get him. Yeah, and this is really the beginning
of the of like all literal, figurative speculative hell breaking
loose because he goes in there and we see these crazy,

(01:02:07):
kind of almost MTV music video style flashes of like
insane violence, a world that looks like it's nothing but
pillars of human bodies writhing and suffering. Yeah, it is
a hell of a thing to see.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Yeah, and it does it kind of blends, well, it's
not blending because it's the same thing, but it's very
clive Barker and just old Christian imagery of hell. It's
all very similar to it. But there's a lot of
sci fi in it too, because there's you know, again

(01:02:47):
with the jump scares and with the just flashes, there
will be a few frames where it's like, oh, there's
just like space, and then there's the writing human body parts,
and then there's you know, more like dismembered bodies, and
then there's like a black hole, and so you can
never you can never know exactly what kind of visions

(01:03:12):
of terror you're gonna see. It doesn't ever get stale
because you're constantly getting like these back and forth.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Well, and because as they rescue baby Bear from that
portal and after they leave with him to get him
into medical to see what's up with him, it closes.
And as the crew gets on board the event Horizon
itself the ship to kind of figure out what's going on,

(01:03:40):
a few other things happen. They're worth noting discovering a
frozen corpse, you know, in the bridge they do turn
the gravity on, yeah, which causes one of the most
shocking scenes where the body parts, like when they fall,
they just shatter because they were frozen completely solid. Lots
of really nuts moments. But when Weir as talking to

(01:04:05):
them and he says, like I pulled him out of there.
It was open, He's like he can't have been open.
It can only be open if it's activated, and it
hasn't been activated in seven years, Like it can't be open.
And he's like it was open. And it's a great
moment where which sells Fishburne's character really well too, because
he says like, but it can't be open. He's like,
I saw that it was fucking open, and Fishburn's like,

(01:04:27):
you're out of line, and then he turns to Weird
He's like, I believe him, like like it's you know,
He's like, you're out of line. And that's a big
thing he's constantly saying too, is He's like he'll he'll
constantly knock you down. It's like you need to calm
him down right now. You are right like we're all
gonna die, but you are calm and cool right now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
So and I And that's a really great moment too,
where he's just like I believe him because because when
they say, like, what do you think it could be?
And doctor Weir is just like he's hallucinated it or
you know, he's he's delusional or whatever. It's like no, yeah,
but he's right though, that like that that shouldn't be open.
I mean it shouldn't and when they walk in there,

(01:05:07):
it just is, it doesn't open up. Yeah, the first
time we see the event horizon, the first time we
see it is open. It's just sitting there quietly open.
And because then we find out after this that in reality,
the event horizon, it's so confusing because that is literally
what the thing is and what the ship is, that
it is actually being contained in this like metal sphere

(01:05:29):
with these these pieces of metal that like swoop around
it constantly to keep it contained. Yeah, so that's actually
its its normal state when it's not active. Is it's
supposed to sit there and kind of gros. Yeah, they
look like gyroscopes. You're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
So so now we're starting to notice a lot of
weird things. But then on top of that, the medical assistant,
she is in the sick bay trying to take care
of baby Bear, and she gets images of her son,
but he's been horribly mutilated and when she looks back,
he's gone. And not only is that, of course very upsetting,

(01:06:07):
but when she starts expressing it to the other crew people,
one of my favorite things about this movie is they
all believe each other. Yeah. Nobody's like, oh, you're like,
what are you? You don't sleep enough last night? Like oh,
like like tough enough. No, they're They're all like, no,
I'm hearing things too, yeah, like I'm noticing things. And
one of the guys, the uh, the bald headed guy,
I can't remember his name, the he was one of

(01:06:27):
the guy who the guy who first noticed it was
Latin but didn't know loud very well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Is that TJ?

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
That might have been TJ. Excuse me, DJ, that's the
medical doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
No, yeah, Peoper Cooper.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Okay Cooper yeh yeah, yeah, okay Cooper. He uh, I
could just double No, that's not him.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
No, no, uh no, it was it was DJ. It
was DJ.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Uh No, it was it was uh Smitty. Smitty Smitty
is the one who first, I mean, no, the doctor
translates the this stuff. They're both British guys. One's bald
and one's not. Like they kind of like them both.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Yeah, they're both being British is what threw me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
But no, so Smitty Smitty is one of the first
people to literally just go, just go. I'll tell you
what's going on. This ship is fucked well, I've known
it from the moment I've been on it. Yeah, and
the doctor who just said his name is a DJ
grabs him. But as he grabs him, he puts a
freaking scalpel to his throat. But what he as he's

(01:07:33):
holding there with the scalpel, he literally just says, it's
just a giant piece of metal, nothing else, a giant
piece of metal. And then everybody's like, dude, what are
you doing? And he like, let's go. I'm sorry, I
don't I don't know. He doesn't know why he did it,
and he's generally the most reasonable group, and that's early

(01:07:53):
on that he suddenly does something incredibly out of character
and unreasonable that shocks everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
So and I love that dichotomy of like, it's just
a big piece of metal, because the other guy's basically saying,
like this place has bad vibes, bad juju. Yeah, and
boy was he right. And we'll talk about how right
he was a little bit more after this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
All Right, So after that bit of a showdown, what's
going on, what's going on is they've had the whole
entire crew has had to relocate onto this ship, the
Event Horizon because when there was that shock wave and
they had to rescue Baby Bear justin that compromised the

(01:08:51):
whole of their ship to Lewis and Clark, So Smith
and Cooper have to go out and repair it, and
everyone's kind of working overtime, working double to kind of
get the ship ready.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Well, there's a big reason for that, which is that
the oxygen scrubber or the what was it, the carbon
dioxide scrubbers on the Event Horizon don't work, yeah, which
basically means you have no air to breathe. So they
take the scrubbers from the Lewis and Clark and bring
it on there, but it only gives them about twenty
hours of breathable air.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Yeah, before then they're going to run out of air
there as well. So the kind of the plan that
they have is they're gonna basically abandon the mission of
trying to find any survivors. And the confrontations between We're

(01:09:46):
and Captain Miller are great because, well, for two reasons.
First off, we really start to see that as much
as We're wants to to try and you know, save
any crew that's left. It's very clear that his whole

(01:10:07):
goal is strictly to get the ship back actually saving
any remaining crew members. If any crew members are remaining,
that is just the carrot that he's dangling in front
of everyone else. He really doesn't seem to actually care,
especially I noticed that the more he has hallucinations about

(01:10:28):
his wife, the less he seems to care about anything
other than trying to get the Event Horizon operational again.
Whereas we're starting to notice more and more how much
Captain Miller is pushing his crew beyond their breaking point
strictly to save their lives. And he doesn't, you know,

(01:10:52):
there's no time for a break, there's no time to
do anything. He's just pushing everybody as hard as they can.
And that's when I pretty certain that's when we see
the first like tormented vision for him, and we start
seeing and understanding his backstory of why he is so
overprotective of his crew is because he had lost a

(01:11:16):
crew member before to a horrible fire in space. And
Fishburne just gives this absolutely chilling performance as he describes this,
this catastrophe that happened and on The one line is
that really stuck with me is you know, have you

(01:11:36):
ever seen a fire in space? It's beautiful. It's like water,
it's like liquid. It just rolls over, it just rolls
over everything. And then we see his crewmate from before
being engulfed in this living flame and like flames engulfing
the whole ship around him, and we understand suddenly, like

(01:12:00):
this isn't him being a hard ass just because that's
who he is. He's being a hard ass because he
wasn't before and it cost him dearly.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Well we don't know that it was because he was
being incompetent. That's not really fair.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
I mean, wait, we don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
But he just says that from that moment on, I
never would leave him. May by him because they said
what because the crew member he was telling you, who
said what did you do? It was he was talking
to DJ.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
They said what did you do when that happened? And
he said, I did the only thing I could do.
We got out of there. There was nothing to do
for him. But that's when I said I would never
I would never leave another crew person. I would never
lose anybody ever again. But my favorite part of that
scene is when DJ says we've served together for like
I think he's ad twelve years or something. He was like,
and you never told me that, And then he turns

(01:12:46):
up and says, that's the thing I've never told anyone that.
How does the ship know?

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Yeah, And I.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Love that moment. That's such a great moment and well, and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
It is a great moment because before for that, we
were we were kind of thinking like, Okay, these visions
are just like whatever is scariest, and then that's when
we start to realize like, no, these visions are individually
tailored to what is scariest for each individual, and the

(01:13:19):
ship knows. The ship is consciously aware of it, and
it seems like the ship is purposely trying to trap
them in any way that it can, which makes it
even scarier because it's one thing to have a kind
of malevolent but a malevolent force that isn't personal, but

(01:13:43):
once it becomes personal, like, that's where human fear really is.
So that was that was the moment where you really
start to see Miller's terror start to take like take hold,
and that opens the door for everyone else because that's

(01:14:06):
when we start to see doctor Peters and we start
to see the visions that she's having of her son
being tortured and mutilated. And again, like we're start seeing
more and more visions of his wife. And at first
it's just his wife and she's her eyes have been
plucked out, and she just kind of says, like, you know,

(01:14:28):
join us forever. But then we start to see visions
of her committing suicide, and we start to realize like
there's a lot more to Weir's terror than just being
pure fear. It's also fear and grief, which is very
very and guilt very very powerful. So that's so they're

(01:14:53):
trying to evacuate.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Well, they're trying to get ready to evacuate by stabilizing
Baby Bear. And and while the ship is being repaired,
because this guy doing a space walk right now, you know,
repairing the show. Yeah, and while all this is going on,
don't forget that the captain said said, nobody's allowed to
be an engineering anymore. Nobody's allowed to be anywhere near

(01:15:17):
the event horizon itself. Yeah, and Weird is acting strange,
and he's sneaking around a lot hearing things, but unlike
nearly everybody else, the things that are haunting him. He
strides toward them and that goes probably the way you

(01:15:38):
would expect it to, and we'll get into that more
after this. So the biggest issue on the event horizon

(01:15:59):
that is pression to the crew, you know, if we
don't count like being cursed, haunted, et cetera is Baby Bear,
which what was his real name? His uh, Justin Justin
thank you. It's so weird. His last name is Justin too.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
I think Justin is his last name.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
No, it is. I'm looking and Justin. So yeah, he uh,
he is the main prescient issue. He was hurt, but
he's doing okay now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
M hm, he's like stabilized, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
And and he's just shaken really badly. But then he
takes a turn.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
So as as they're trying to repair the Lewis and Clark,
Justin wakes up and starts kind of like he's not
making sense and he is quite agitated. And this bite
the fact that the engineering in on the event horizon,

(01:17:08):
on the ship is supposed to be locked down. He
starts rambling about what he's seen. He starts rambling about
what's past the gate, that there's no getting away from it,
and he kind of wrestles his way past everyone and
gets himself into an airlock and activates it to open. Now,

(01:17:31):
the thing about the airlocks is they do have a
safety feature, so it takes like I think it was
like a ten minute timer or something before you know,
the outside gate opens, so that gives them a little
bit of time to try and save him, but not
a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
What happens is he's between the airlocks.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
So, because what makes an airlock and airlock for those
listening I know, you know all about nerdspace stuff, is
that there are two doors so that you decompress the
ship exactly. So what he's done is he's went into
the airlock and closed the door and now he has
to press the other button if he wants to open
the airlock the door to space right, and then it'll

(01:18:12):
be thirty seconds to decompress before it opens up. So,
for whatever reason, because the ship has been all beaten up,
and because he may have sabotaged I can't remember for sure,
I think he did. He did. They can't open the
airlock from the outside, Yeah, they can't control it at all.
So he's standing there as they're begging him to like
just open the door again and come back to us,

(01:18:34):
and he's like possessed. His eyes are dark, and he
says one of my favorite like little there's so many
little lines in event Horizon that like stick with you,
that are creepy, but he says, like if you'd seen
what I saw, you wouldn't stop me, Yeah, which makes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
It so like deeply uh spine shilling. And what makes
it even worse is so they're all they're all panicking.
You know, there's several crew members on the inside of
the ship like trying to coax him to come back in,
and they've alerted the captain Miller of the situation, so
he's trying to mount a rescue mission from the outside

(01:19:13):
of the ship. So he's trying to position himself so
that when the outside airlock opens, he'll be able to
kind of like save Justin. So he's like trying to
talk to Justin through the intercom, trying to calm him down,
and you know, Justin's possessed, his eyes or all dark.
He's talking about what he's seen, and then there's this

(01:19:34):
brief moment where he blinks and suddenly he's there again.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
It's not a brief moment he's there again, like and
he is the whole time he's suffering.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
He just asks, why am I here? What am I
doing here? Can you like save me? Help me? Let
me inside? And they're trying to explain from the inside,
like we can't let you inside. It's like locked down
now because you're in that thirty second market.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
You have to open the door. And he doesn't seem
to understand.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
He doesn't understand. So the outside door opens and the
captain is like trying trying to talk to him, explain
to him like okay, excel, excel everything out of your lungs.
You want to curl into a ball, You want to
close your eyes, you want to you know, clench up.
And so he manages to like jump through space and

(01:20:25):
and catch him so that he's not like free free
floating out through space and gets him back into the ship.
And so they put justin into stasis to try and
like stabilize him and calm him down.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
Well, he's asleep in stasis, so he'll be very calm.
It's very easy to be called he's not conscious. Well,
and yeah, basically they point out the decompression. It it it,
it hits your eyes and it hits your lungs first,
so that's what they were trying to Pary tells him
to close his eyes, type, but they're like shooting blood. Yeah,
his eyes are gushing blood as he screaming, his veins

(01:21:01):
are all popping. It's it's it's really horrific. But it's
a really wild scene because he literally floats just outside
the airlock like two feet before Fishburn knocks him back in.
So you see like a bare human just starting to
just go into space. But I also like the idea
that there is a way you could put I mean,

(01:21:22):
in the movie's logic, a way you could potentially survive
that possibly, you know, very similar to like surviving you know,
jumping out of a plane without a parachute. It's like
there are things you can do that might make you
treatable to survive.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Like there's no one hundred percent, but you can mitig
it's you can mitigate.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
So when he bumped, when he grabs him again and
pushes him back in the ideas, he's trying to get
him to be damaged as little as possible from decompression.
So and when they grab him, I mean, he's he's
in pain, he's screaming, he's bleeding, and they just start
injecting with that stuff. It's a fair very powerful scene
that really grabs you. But now, as I had said before,

(01:22:05):
his well being was prescient, now his well being is
massively prescient because he needs like serious in depth medical
treatment and they need to get to a to a
I would assume some kind of a space station, a
star base, something something like that. Now they can get help. Yeah.
Outposts is probably the word that I think is the
word they used early on. They said they were like
three thousand clicks from the nearest outposts.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
It's gonna take a while to get there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
And this is also the scene that we were talking
about when when Miller and DJ were discussing their hallucinations,
they they start discussing even more like what's been going on?
What happened with justin right now? Because clearly something deeper

(01:22:53):
is going on. And that's when that's when he admits
that he discovered that the phrase he thought he heard,
the save me phrase, that was not the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Yeah, And there was a tiny little thing earlier where
they were looking at the ship's logs. I just want
to mention where when they were all happy and celebrating
the journey. The pilot or the captain speaks a little
Latin to celebrate it, which I thought was a great nod. Yeah,
why Latin is in these other recordings?

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Uh? So we realize that the entire phrase was supposed
to be liber tae to tournament X in furnace, which
is translated to save yourself from hell. And it's also

(01:23:47):
I believe that's when they also find like the recording
of the crew, isn't it, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Where they basically are. They've all gone mad killing each other.
But the one weird thing about that is they've all
gone stark raving mad, like killing each other, ripping each
other apart. But they didn't find everybody's bodies. Yeah, they
only found like one body in a couple of parts.
Because things are on the Event Horizon, things are always

(01:24:14):
more than they seem a lot more after this, So
we're back and now we officially know horrors beyond human

(01:24:37):
recognition are what killed what killed the crew of the
Event Horizon likely hopefully they're dead, yes, correct, correct, And
now Weird is wandering the ship. I think at this
point he finally goes down to the Event Horizon himself

(01:24:58):
after being told not to leaves. So it's around this point.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's around this point. And it's
because that's the point when he gouges out his own eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Well he does that in front of it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Yeah, yeah, because he has that that horrifying memory vision
hallucination thing of his wife committing suicide, and we start
to realize that, in a weird way, this ship is
the last remaining connection he has to his wife because
he feels like he drove her to suicide by ignoring

(01:25:32):
her to create the ship. Yeah, so, I don't know,
I I got. I got kind of the vibe at
this point that, even if it was never expressly expressly said,
he was trying to find a way to find his wife,
possibly by like, oh, let's go to another dimension where

(01:25:53):
she never died, or let's let's try to, you know,
go back in time to before she died, because there
seems to be a lot of him like trying to
in any way claw his way back to her.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
See, I'm gonna have to disagree with you because I
think you're being too kind and I think you're being
too positive. Okay, I think weird is looking for the
torment he deserves.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Hmm okay, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
I think that's why he had such a massive shift
once he experienced the ship speaking to him. I think
that because before that he is while he's haunted by nightmares,
and he's a little kind of perpect perplexingly jovial and
all of that. I think that, in my opinion personally,

(01:26:50):
is that I think that his obsession early on was
just to rescue his life's work, Okay, like to make
his life's work better, yeah, or not better to save it?
Do you have to riskue this ship that meant everything
to him? And I think that's why you had these
horrible nightmares about his wife. Extra was probably because of
the guilty feels from the fact that he let everything

(01:27:12):
in his life fall to the wayside except for the
Event Horizon and the Event Horizon disappearing because the way
they describe in the opening crawl is it appeared in Neptune. Yeah,
like it appeared, it wasn't there, and then it was,
and then a distress signal made people aware that the

(01:27:34):
Event Horizon even existed anymore, because there are a million theories,
so it was somewhere for seven years. I think that
when he got on the ship and started seeing the visions,
or even before he got on the ship, when it
started speaking to him. I think that he realized, I

(01:27:54):
have created a gateway to Hell. What better thing for
me to do? Because I belong in Hell. I deserve punishment,
I like the only penance I could ever have, because
he's always begging and apologizing in those nightmares, like the
one where he witnesses her killing herself and he's like
in the room with her. Yeah, I think this is

(01:28:14):
like some seriously catholic kind of like intense like I
need to suffer to show how sorry I am. That then,
of course, like everything in the Event Horizon seems to
do to people, turns into madness into madness, And I
do think that, you know, considering he opened the gate,

(01:28:35):
you know, he caused all of this in the first place,
and he has this deep, dark self loathing. That's just
my thought is I think he wants to be in hell.
He's excited to be in hell.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Well, especially after he gouges out his eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
He is very because one of the another great line
of me, I don't need those to see. I don't
need eyes to see. Yeah, yeah, not where or where
we're going we don't need eyes to see. Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Sorry, I'm collecting my thoughts. One of one of the things,
one of the things that stands out about this movie is,
especially especially once the Lewis and Clark has been damaged,
something is, something is always happening. There's not a moment
to breathe. And so simultaneously, while the Captain and DJ

(01:29:33):
are like having this revelation of what happened to the
original crew, and they're kind of discussing that they they
believe that the ship came back with something evil. Uh,
they're not quite at the conclusion yet that the ship
itself is the evil. They just know, like the evil

(01:29:53):
is here. While that's happening, we also, you know, doctor
Weir has gone totally mad and ripped out his eyes.
And that's also when Smith and Pete doctor Peters are
trying to collect as many tanks of oxygen as they
can because basically, like like we said, they took the

(01:30:16):
oxygen scrubber from the Lewis and Clark installed it on
the event horizon. They cleaned a whole bunch of oxygen
and put it in tanks so that they can take
it back onto the Lewis and Clark. So they're collecting
all of these tanks.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
They're not collecting, they're collecting the filters, the filter that
scrubbed the carbon dioxide out. Okay, sorry, And because some
of them are used up, that's why some of them
they throw They were like these empty others. This one's
this one's used up.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
This one, yeah, this one's done. Yeah. That's when Peter's
like has the worst because she's been having these flashes
of hallucinations of her son and now she has like
a whole out nightmare vision of her son being tortured.
And then she sees him in the hall and she
just chases him down in the hall and then she

(01:31:02):
meets her end in the medical bay of the Event Horizon.
And that's when who was it that had like the
most hell raiser kind of death because one of the guys,
like doctor Weir just gutted him.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
That's what that happened to the doctor Okay, to that
was that was to DJ.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
So as as all of this is happening, we we've
had it set up where there is a emergency protocol
for the Event Horizon where basically two parts of the
ship will can be separated.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
Yeah, there's there's a corridor that connects the bridge to
the engine basically basically, and the corridor is lined with
explosives in order to turn the bridge basically into like
a lifeboat so that it can escape the experimental engine
that apparently is powered by Hell itself, And that's about

(01:32:09):
to pay off in multiple ways after this. So Weird
is now straight up stalking the ship and killing people.

(01:32:30):
But on top of that those explosive charges you were
talking about, he's also plotting some other evil because I
believe Fishburne's character notices one of them is just gone.
One of those explosive charges is gone, and immediately puts
two and two together. As we're back at the Lewis

(01:32:51):
and Clark and they're trying to get ready to move
Justin in there, and he figured out, like, I think
he's bombing the Lewis and Clark.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Yeah, So Miller reaches out over the intercom I believe
it's to Smith is the one in there trying to
move Justin and tells him like, evacuate, you need to
get out now, and Smith refuses because he tries to
find the bomb, and it's it's one of those scenes

(01:33:26):
that it's so perfect because it's so action packed, and
it's so heartbreaking when it reaches the conclusion, because he
tears up the Lewis and Clark. He's he's ripping stuff
off the walls and then he finally he finds like
a pack on the door that's skewed, and so he

(01:33:46):
moves it aside and he finds the bomb and he
presses the thing to like see and it's got five
seconds before it goes off. Yeah, and the look it's
not it's not a look of resignation so much as
acceptance and.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
A little bit of frustration.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Yeah, frustrating, like not even not even like, oh darn,
I'm gonna die. It's oh darn, I didn't win, If
that makes all examit.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
And then the last thing he does is kind of
brace himself.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Yeah, so the Lewis and Clark has gone, and that
Cooper who was out there repairing the ship that jettisons
him off and this.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Was like you had just finished. He was celebrating. It's
the little the only comic relief left in the whole
film is that he just finished fixing the ship and
he's like all cocky about it, and he blows up
and he gets thrown into space.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
And that was like the peak mid nineties was for
this last like the last act of the film was Cooper,
because he gets jettisoned out into space and we we
watch him like he's he's clinging onto this piece of
shrapnel trying to figure out what to do, and he's like, Okay,
if I empty my oxygen, I might be able to

(01:35:04):
make it back to the event horizon. So he readies
himself and he like primes the thing and then it
shoots him off into space and we just hear woooo
as he like flies toward.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
He's he's always been a smack talker in the movie,
and he's still doing it like while all this crazy
evil stuff is happening, and he was about to float
off into space alone for all eternity.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
So that was that was pretty great. And talk about
a moment when you need levity. Yeah, because now what
we're stuck with is we have to we have to
figure out how to get everyone safely onto the bridge

(01:35:48):
of the event horizon, stop Weird, and then separate the
event horizon, the bridge from the engineering section well from
the engine engine well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
A lot happens in this moment because Miller encounters We're
in the bridge and at this point, Miller after discovering
the dead body of DJ, the horrifically mutilated dead body.
Right before that it happened, Miller had told DJ like,
if you see Weir, because he fully was aware now
we're as killing people. He's like, if you see where

(01:36:21):
you take him out? And the way DJ reacts, you know,
is very like yep, yeah, like I will like I'll
kill him. So Miller's now DJ's dead, and Miller has
taken one of the those So the way they were
fixing the ship was they were using like a combination
of some kind of like an adhesive to seal and

(01:36:43):
these like they were almost like nails. They would punch
through a hull and then spread on the other side
to lock them in place. Yeah, So he takes one
of those, charges it up and makes it clear he
wants to kill Weir with it. So he heads up
to the bridge and the bridge is empty, lightning going,

(01:37:04):
and he finds the body of Lieutenant Stark. Yeah, beat up, bloody,
and she's alive. So as he's checking on her, though,
one of my favorite moments of the whole movie he's
checking on her. I don't even know if he caught it,
because it's so I mean, it's clear, but it's also

(01:37:25):
really subtle because his reaction is my favorite part. As
he's helping her and he's kind of checked her out
and he's confirmed that she's alive and stuff, he literally
looks over to whether he had the gun, and the
gun's just not there anymore, and he just goes right
back to her. M hmmm, because mission focused like that
will come about when it comes about.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Yeah, right now, top priority is his crewmate is her.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
Yeah, but like the gun's gone and he barely reacts
to it, but he does acknowledge it. So then of course,
as they're trying to get out of there, we reveal
under lightning strikes. Doctor Weir is sitting on the cap
in his chair with the gun on his lap, eyes gone,
you know, nuttier than a squirrel turd, and.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
He's like covered in blood because again he's been mutilating
and killing people. He's himself and demanded himself. You know,
it ain't a party unless you join in, right, I.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Mean, fair point. And I got to say that the
more that we talk about the movie, the more I
think I am right about him wanting to go to hell. Yeah,
because think about it, like he's like a lost soul,
you know, he's he's wandering life, going through the motions.
His wife is gone, his life's work was gone, his

(01:38:41):
life's work came back. He felt like he could probably
find himself by figuring out what happened to his life's
work and when it especially if you want to go
Catholic with that, because you know, there's a lot of
punishment is good in Catholicism. Think about that for a minute,
like he's what is the what is the thing worse

(01:39:05):
in Catholicism? What is the place worse than heaven or hell?

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
Purgatory?

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, he's in like living death. He's not
in heaven, he's not in Hell. He's not even alive.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Yeah, I do like that. Yeah, No, that's a very
good point. And and and again, the the imagery goes
right along with it too. Just the imagery of him,
you know, turning around in the chair with the lightning
in the background. It was all very haunting. But again

(01:39:39):
it's it's not the it's not the imagery that we
would generally find associated with actual hell. You know, he's
not there being tortured by demons. The torture is being
there in and of itself.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
Well, and and like I said, I mean, it's it's
desire to be punished. He's not being punished. He's just
he's suffering, but he's not being punished. There's a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
And one of my favorite little moments is when he
has the he points the gun toward him, He's like,
do you think I'll miss because he has no eyes.
I love that little line. Sam Neil's always great as
a crazy person. And on top of all this happening,
all of a sudden, a certain, a certain Cooper begins
to fly directly toward from outside the spaceship in his

(01:40:26):
spacesuit starts to fly toward the bridge window windshields, I
don't know what you call it. He starts flying toward it.
And things are about to get extra right after this.

(01:40:51):
So as Cooper arrives outside the window of the bridge,
doctor Weir, without hesitation but with with thought, m points
the gun to him. And it's important to point that
out though, because that's the best part. He doesn't just
go like and like shoot without realizing that I'm gonna
wreck with everything no, he like looks over at him
and then like smiles and does it. He knows it's

(01:41:13):
going to cause the entire bridge to decompress.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Yeah, but he doesn't care because that's more you No,
he does care.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
He wants chaos.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
So he he shoots at Cooper and it, you know,
busts open the window and the explosive decompression pulls doctor
Weir out and they they managed to like seal off
that part of the bridge so that they can use
that section of the ship to survive. And that's when

(01:41:49):
Miller tells them their plan, tells them the plan, like, Okay,
we're going to put the lifeboat effect. Uh, we're going
to use that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
So we're going to put the lifeboat into effect, and
effect is what I.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
So, you know, He's like, basically, you guys stay here.
I'm going to make sure that all of the charges
go off. So Miller you know, goes basically back to
the engine bay so that he can make sure all
of the charges are set and he has to go
by one by one by one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
He doesn't have to go to where the engine bay is.
But but what happens is he demands his crew stay
behind because you've got one severely injured guy, and then
the the female Lieutenant Stark Stark, and then and then
Cooper m hm. And he doesn't want to risk losing them,
so he makes them go up there and stay there.

(01:42:41):
And then as he's confirming each of the explosives, he
realizes almost certainly Weird might be alive. But then the
fire ghost from his past starts chasing him.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
And it runs him straight into the event horizon, like
straight into the engine. So you were close. It's just
like it. Basically, the moment he gets into that corridor,
all bets are off like it. The ships just starts
coming for him.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
Yeah, because it's it's honed in on him.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
And one cool thing because there's so much obviously we're
gonna gloss over tons of stuff. But one thing I
thought was really cool was there was a scene earlier
when Lieutenant Stark is talking to Captain Miller and she's like,
I have one theory of what's going on here. Because
that's his thing is you would say, like, you know,
I want to know what is going on here. I
don't know. Well, then find out that's your job, you know.

(01:43:33):
There's a great part early on when before Weir's gone
crazy with Weir sets I just need it. I just
need a little time, and he's like, that's the one
thing you don't have, and.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
It was crust so good but.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
So but there's a part earlier when he's before everything,
people are like really dying other than I think at
that point Justin had been hurt, but that was it.
So it seemed like there was some kind of psychosis
going on where she tells him like I She's like,
I have a theory, and he's like, tell me, and
she says, I think that it's some kind of immune response.

(01:44:06):
That's what she her theory is about the ship, that
like this is an immune response to people being in it.
We're an infection that it's trying to shake out. And
he's like, I don't have time for this does sound crazy,
but I just wanted to side note that because as
as a Miller ends up stuck in the Event Horizon
engine room and then we reveal we're in his final form,

(01:44:30):
it becomes clear that that's not far off from the truth.
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
So uh We're and Miller have a fight to the death.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
Out but you're not going to mention that we're is
now suddenly like carved up a giant like flesh painting
of like of like runes.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Carved in Yeah, yeah, he is like it's uh, I mean,
what is the oh, what's the what's the word in
Catholicism where someone stigmata, it's like an evil stigmata where
he's just covered in yeah, like ruins, he's and it
like of course, you know, stuff pouring out of his.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
Eyes well, and and and uh. Every time he saw
his wife in visions, before he even got to the
event horizon, she would have no eyes. That was a
recurring thing. She would open her eyes or turned to
look at him, and she would have no eyes in
her sockets. And now he has no eyes in his sockets.
Just want to mention that too, like that's something that

(01:45:35):
you know, messes with you. That's really like a fascinating choice. Yeah,
but now yeah, but they are fighting. I just want
to mention, like I don't want to I don't want
to gloss over the fact that mirror is like standing
there basically naked, covered in carved things. Like he's just
mutilated beyond cut himself up, nearly beyond recognition. He couldn't

(01:45:56):
have cut himself up. It's all over his back and everything.
That's that's my point. But but but it's important to
keep in mind like when when Miller had to go
into the engine room to get away from that ghost
or whatever, like it it's real. And that's something that
Cooper had mentioned the first time he had that fear.
He's like, I felt the fire like it was really there.

(01:46:18):
And that's the thing about this that I think is
really interesting is like the manifestations are real.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Yeah. So it's it's not just in your head.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
Not at all. It's taking within your head and making
it real. Yeah, which does sound like a kind of
you know, poetic concept of hell. Take the horrible things
and make them absolutely real, not just haunting. You know,
they're really happening and you're gonna have a bad time.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
So but no, and and my point isn't to like,
uh wasn't to like shoot you down and correct you
for not knowing what the uh like that he was.
But no, my point is like that's how friggin' nuts
and mysterious all this stuff is. Is No, there's no
way he could have done that to a specially himself,
not especially not in like the forty minutes that since

(01:47:04):
they'd seen.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Him last, he kept himself busy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
No, he likes to stay busy, and having a hobby
is a very important thing, without a doubt, yea. And
but as they start to fight, it's a pretty awesome
fight because the way Weird reveals himself is he takes
the place of the fiery dead crew person, like the
flames build up and then they go down and he's there. Yeah,
and friggin' you gotta hand it to Miller. He just

(01:47:32):
starts walloping him with stuff because there are a few
of those oxygen or those carbon dioxide scrubbers. He's like
whacking them, but it's barely doing anything. And Weir had
been expressing like superhuman strength earlier on. But he is
trying like hell to fight him off and and not
not allow his crew in particular to die. And that

(01:47:55):
becomes especially obvious because when he was checking the blowsive panels,
they have remote detonator for it, and he retrieves the
remote detonator, which falls to the side. Of course, so
now as he's fighting with Weird, he's trying to just
get to that remote detonator so we can separate the ship.
Before and I know we mentioned it before, but we
didn't mention it right when he was in the bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
The it's going to activate, Yeah, yeah, we're we're has
it set, so it's going to go off in like
less than ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
At that point it was well under yeah, it was
like barely ten minutes. Yeah, so the event Horizon is
going to activate. And his argument for it is, if
you know, we've wondered where it was, now we're going
to find out, you know, like and he says, like,
you know, to send us to hell, and he's hell
is just a word, and that always gave me chills.
He says, hell is just a word. And then we

(01:48:44):
get a few more peaks right after this We're bad
and the fight to keep from going to something like

(01:49:05):
hell has begun, and Weir has shown the captain I
can't believe I just I've been saying his name like
twenty times an allis I forget it has shown the
captain more visions of what is on the other side,
and one of my favorite things is it's so fast
you can barely tell. But the crew members that are
still alive are in the vision suffering, and even says

(01:49:27):
like they're not they're not dead, and he's like, they
wish they were. So it's like, oh, this is a lot.
There's so much shifting and stuff going on. And there
was an earlier part where Smitty said something that I
think about a lot. When he first like starts attacking
Weir and then gets stopped with that scalpeld of his neck.
He says, like, you think you could just you could

(01:49:49):
just violate the bloss of physics and blah blah blah.
And I realized, like there's almost like an attitude of heresy,
like a tinge of it about the laws of physic Yeah,
probably because their lives are in space, surviving only by
the laws of physics that they can circumvent. Yes, So

(01:50:10):
that's a really interesting element too. But one of the
things about Event Horizon that I always found scary, that
like always bothered me in a way, in a good
way because it made me think was so. Weir says
that it's another dimension, a dimension of total chaos and

(01:50:33):
pure evil. That's what he says. So this dimension has
always existed, you know, because that's how dimensions are. They coexist.
So does that mean that what humanity is described as
hell for tens of thousands of years described as hades

(01:50:56):
and torment and all this. Does that mean somebody saw
the other dimension? Yeah? I got chilled. This is what
I think. This is why I like e Ho Horizon
so much, because that's what I think about the whole
time watching the movie. I'm like, did they literally find Hell?
Is it just that Hell was not? Is a literal,
scientifically provable place and you found it? Because you know

(01:51:20):
we talk there are all these concepts, like to go
back to Star Trek, like the concept of warp speed
is the idea that you create a to travel faster
than light. You create a shield around yourself and move
space around you. You don't move, you don't move, space
moves around you. Yeah, And there were some little Star
Trek episodes where they would talk about the concept of
like what happens if, like you go past warp ten

(01:51:43):
do you end up? At one point? They suggest that
like you end up inhabiting all space simultaneously. And then
there are other things like transwarp, which is a type
of warp speed that's even faster, but you have to
go through subspace corridors that have to be created ahead
of time, and that like it literally causes like unbeknownst

(01:52:04):
insane side effects. And that's kind of what I'm getting
at here. Is like, so we created faster than light travel,
but we tore a hole in the fabric of space
and time, which is actually the source of all the
concepts of eternal torment that humans have ever written about.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
I don't like it. It's scary.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
So Hell really is a place. But then but go
one further. When he shows him Hell, we'll call it hell.
When he shows it to him and he sees his
friends who aren't dead suffering there. Maybe humans never did
go to Hell, but when you saw Hell, you saw
yourself and others suffering torment there. But you're not. Actually,

(01:52:48):
you can't get there by dying. You get there by getting.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
There, So it's only it would only exist if you
go there.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
No, No, I'm saying that that they thought that we
go there, or that we end up there, because the
part of the torment of a vision of it is
you see people who haven't died yet there. You could
see anybody there, you see loved ones that have died,
You could see yourself suffering there. So they just kind
of filled in the blanks like that must be where
you go if you're bad when you die, because I

(01:53:19):
saw everyone there, when in reality it's like, no, you
were miss you were mistaking scientific phenomena, natural phenomena, deeply horrific, awful,
natural phenomena. That's kind of what I was getting at. Okay,
I mean I didn't, I didn't nail it. I didn't

(01:53:40):
have it perfectly tied together the first go. But that's
what I was getting at, is like that they just
thought because they saw themselves and people they knew in there,
they thought that people actually ended up there. Okay, yeah,
when in reality it's just that's part of the torment
is that it makes you, it makes it makes all
the worst things of reality a literal reality, do you

(01:54:00):
know what I mean? Though, Like, that's why it creeps
me out, is the idea like oh, we're just we're
just testing a new engine for a spaceship. And it's like, okay, well,
now hell is real. Great job, thanks, well.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
It does, uh, especially the setup not so much the
rest of the movie, but the setup especially reminds me
of and and the way you're describing that reminds me
of the Philadelphia Experiment where it's like this untold horror
just waiting around the corner and you stumbled upon it

(01:54:36):
because you were dabbling with powers that you could not
comprehend that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's just to me, it's like
the idea of hell, which is you know, it has
been a long haites has been a long terrifying thing.
M m to the idea like, oh, that's where it
came from. Yeah, it is real. It's just not what
you thought because it's beyond it's it's something else. It's

(01:55:02):
it's a legitimate, normal phenomenon in the other dimension, not
in your dimension. Yeah, I just I don't know why
that like freaks me out so intensely, but it really does,
really gets to me. So that's one of the reasons
I think Event Horizon is so interesting and so you
know wild. Also, the idea of like not needing eyes

(01:55:23):
to see kind of leans into what I just said about,
like it just shows you and makes real all these things.
Why would you need eyes?

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Yeah, you wouldn't need eyes. You wouldn't need to see
because it's gonna make it real anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
Yeah, And I mean, who knows what that universe is
even like when there's no one there to suffer in it.
I don't. I mean, that's the part I don't. I mean,
because we'd never get enough to know more. So I like, yeah,
it's just sorry. That's like that's my thing though, And
I wanted to get across to you like that's what
makes me really fine. Event Horizon scary, like really scary.

(01:55:56):
So but yeah, so they're they're fighting it out. I
didn't know if there was if you had a riff
beyond that too. No, So they're fighting it out, and
and he's trying to stop Weird.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
So he's so he's trying to stop Weird, the monstrous Weird,
and trying to you know, reach for the UH detonator.
And the whole time, we're starting to realize that for
for Captain Miller, we're hoping against hope that you know,

(01:56:33):
there's a way that he in particular can get out
of this, but given what we know about him and
his past, we're starting to see that there's really not
UH for him. There is only one way to win,
and that is to save his crew. Yes, and that
is ultimately what he does, is he you know, as

(01:56:53):
the gravity drive, the event Horizon drive activates, he manages
to get the detonator and detonate the two parts of
the ship apart from each other. So their part of
the ship goes into a black hole and just gets
you know, sucked into hell, while the bridge is kind

(01:57:15):
of like safe. And so that's when Stark and Cooper
are able to get into stasis. They get safe. They
have justin with them. He's safe as well. So they're
just waiting it out. And I believe the text it
says it's like seventy days or something. When they finally

(01:57:38):
get found.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
Well, they go into Stasi's sleep as well because they
don't have enough food or oxygen. Yeah, they wouldn't just
survey going anyway, and luckily maybe they do get discovered
after this.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
All right, So those three are in stasis and we
see we see Stark in her stasis pod tube thing
and you know, the water kind of drains down and
she gets out and someone pulls her up. Someone's in
a suit and they pull her up and they start

(01:58:28):
talking to her, and there's a moment of disoriented relief, yeah,
as she kind of realizes that she's coming out of.

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
Stasis and there are these these people in space suits,
you know, with helmets because the ship has been damaged.

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
Yeah, So they're all standing around her, and this person
like lifts her up and is holding her, and then
their visor on their spacesuit goes down and it's weird
and his horror mutilated face with no eyes and he's
like grinning and.

Speaker 1 (01:59:05):
He says something like we were afraid we lost you
or something like that. It was something like that, really.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Something really creepy like that, and she screams and then
wakes up again. We realize, of course it was the
fake out and is the nightmare exactly, just just like
in the beginning, which is a beautiful bookend for the film.
So she is actually coming out of stasis and Cooper's there,
He's trying to comfort her. There's other people there on

(01:59:31):
the ship, her rescuers, trying to comfort her. And as
the movie ends, the camera just pulls back and the
bay doors to the ship slowly close as she's screaming
in terror and everyone is trying to comfort her, and
then it goes to black yep And you and I

(01:59:53):
were during one of the breaks, we were kind of
talking about it, and one of the things that I
love about Event Horizon is how the fear is so
tailored for each individual person, and you were kind of
talking about, how, you know, the thing that's worse about

(02:00:15):
hell in this movie is that it shows you and
it manifests and it makes real your own fears. And
I think that, especially in horror, it just kind of
gets lost on us that not everyone finds the same
things scary and I'm not.

Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
That's what this show is about.

Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
That's why we're like literally why we're here, and that's
why you guys tune into us. And I love, I
have a love hate relationship with personalized fear because you know,
I've I've talked about how, like I really I didn't
watch horror movies growing up as a kid. You know,
I grew up in a in a religious household, but

(02:01:03):
that didn't mean that it couldn't like reach me in
other ways. And the first time I was really exposed
to the idea of fear being deeply personal was actually
when I was reading The Voyage of the Dawn Treader,
one of the Chronicles of Narnia. And it's a fun
book and you know, everyone everyone is right in the

(02:01:26):
assumption like they're family, family friendly, like you can just
pick them up kind of fantasy books but.

Speaker 1 (02:01:33):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:01:33):
I don't think people realize that C. S. Lewis did
actually write a science fiction trilogy. Yeah, it's a very
good trilogy, but he he was good about blending different
genre like that. And in the Voyage of the Dawn Treader,
they come up like they're they're on a boat, obviously,

(02:01:53):
and they come up against a big fog and kind
of get lost in the fog and they see a
island out in the distance and they see a little
rowboat and they manage to mess like rescue the guy
in the rowboat. And this guy is like haggard and
looks like he's been lost to see for years, and
he says, like all he says is, we've got to

(02:02:16):
get out of here. And they say, this is the
only land we can find for miles. We need to
stop and like get food, and he says, no, you
don't understand. You don't want to go there. This is
the island where dreams come true. And as a kid,
that kind of sounds boss, yeah, until he explains like, no,
this isn't the dreams that you think of. This isn't

(02:02:37):
your hopes, this is your dreams. These are the things
in your mind that you can't control. And everybody on
the ship like quickly realizes what that means. And I remember, like,
you know, Lewis describes that someone hears scissors and it
gets louder and louder and that starts driving them insane,

(02:02:59):
and someone else like, here's the voice of a school
teacher that was really mean to them. But then it
gets louder and then it gets like closer, And that,
as a child, like really drove home that what maybe
been dying to one person can be utterly terrifying to
the next. And I love that event Horizon took that

(02:03:23):
concept and dialed it up to eleven and ripped the
knob off sure, because you know, as a kid, that
was scary enough, and then as an adult it's like, yeah,
but what if we did more with that? Is really
really great to me?

Speaker 1 (02:03:38):
What if we did more? And also Sam Neil and
also Sam Neil.

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
I mean, and Sam Neil and everything, And then you
put Sam Neil and Lawrence Fishburne together, You're gonna have
a good time, You absolutely are.

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
They're just consummate. They're so so good.

Speaker 2 (02:03:56):
And like I said at the beginning, like if anyone
would have phoned in their performance, this movie would have
fallen apart, but everybody was so into it and gave
it it there all, So I just, yeah, definitely love
this movie and highly recommend it to everyone.

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
Yeah, they play it so legitimate. It really it's an
awesome scary movie. I hope you guys, if you haven't
seen it, you check it out. Thanks in part two
our ranting and raving about how good it is. It
is kind of the top of the line of sci
fi horror, I think, but I'd love to be I'd
love to be proven wrong. Yeah, I would be totally
down to see something even scarier than Event Horizon, But

(02:04:37):
very little scares me as much as that. I just yeah,
like you were saying, like the idea of things you
imagine becoming reality, or things you dream of or want
or becoming reality, that's scary. And then the idea of like,
you know, messing with natural forces can have unintended consequences,
and having the unintended consequences go so far beyond anything

(02:04:58):
you could even guess super scary. These are the things
that scare me a lot, and and it's easy. It's
like when Star Trek did the episode where Barclay was
afraid of the Transporter.

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
Oh, I love that one.

Speaker 1 (02:05:09):
I love that because, like, why wouldn't you be Why
wouldn't at least some of the people be afraid? It's
kind of a scary idea. So that's the other point
is like it brings the humanity and a realism to
sci fi to have these kinds of concepts that like
what happens when you are exposed to this or you
know this seems mundane, But isn't the reality very scary

(02:05:31):
compared to like normal everyday life. Yes, it is. So Yeah,
I just love Event Horizon and I think everybody should
check it out. It bombed at the box office but
has become a real cult hit and I love it.
Check it out. Paramount Plus is the best place to
watch it. Yeah, So you have anything else you want
to say before we we hop on out?

Speaker 2 (02:05:52):
Um, don't mess with space time.

Speaker 1 (02:05:56):
Oh. I thought you're gonna say we're covering Evil Dead
next time too.

Speaker 2 (02:06:00):
So yeah, we're gonna do Evil Dead next time because
we watched We watched all of Ash versus Evil Dead,
so now we're like, we got to go back.

Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
Now we want to watch it all again. So and
I find Evil Dead the first one sincerely scary. Yeah,
and a lot of people think mostly about Evil Dead
two an Army of Darkness, which I love both of
those quite a bit, but they're not scary like Evil
Dead one is. Evil Dead one is really a creepy movie. Yeah.
I watched it so many times alone in my bedroom

(02:06:31):
after one in the morning on tape. And I'll talk
about that plenty when we get back next time, which
will likely be next week. Not making any total promises,
but likely. So Yeah. With all that being said, I
guess it's time to head out, all right, So thank
you guys so much for listening to cutting deep into
horror with myself and Rachel Ridolfi. If you love what

(02:06:52):
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(02:07:14):
movies that sincerely scare me. Somebody that people think would
be a jaded horror movie lover, but I'm not so
anything else you want to say, Rach before we hop
on out of here and head into warp drive.

Speaker 2 (02:07:29):
Where we're going, we don't need eyes.

Speaker 1 (02:07:31):
Welcome

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