Monthly Spooky | Halloween Origins: Samhain, Trick-or-Treat & Jack-O’-Lanterns - Weekly Spooky: Scary Stories for Halloween

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The haunting origins of Halloween tradition, a wild squirrel on
the loose, ready to attack the most haunted highway in Scotland,
and Michelle prefers her corpses mesquite style. Get comfortable, turn
off the lights. It's Monthly Spooky, all right, my spooky's hello. Hello.

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It is indeed that time of the month. It's the
only catchphrase that's caught in like three years for this program,
is it's that time of the month. Sorry deeply. I'm,

(00:54):
of course Enrique Kutto here with my good buddy and
Monthly Spooky co host Michelle Shell. I'm not going to
ask how you're doing, thank you, because we get emails
of people saying, please stop asking her that it hurts her.
We can tell yeah, no, no, but we uh but
I am going to say that there is a mystery

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afoot in your life right now. Yeah, the mystery wall
your neighbors are building.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Oh yeah, they're building a wall.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
What when you say a wall, do you mean a fence?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
No, I mean a wall. So they flatten the backyard
part of it and then they flatten the other part.
But it's on a slope, so it can't be flat
really unless they flatten it all the way, It doesn't
make sense. So then there was a spot where one
part was way higher than the other part. And then
they dug a trench and I was like, what is
the trench for? And then I was like, it's it

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gonna be a wall. So now they're building a wall
out of CINDERBLOCKX like literal wall.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Could it have been a mo to not a trench?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Sure, but now it's filled with cinder blocks, so it's
not anything.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
It wouldn't be a very good moat.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's technically a retaining wall. Oh, but
I just don't understand why it's there and why they
did that to the backyard. And they seem to be
filding building some sort of form like for concrete at
the way back against their fence. I don't know what
that means. What's gonna happen there.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I I've been to your house many times and I've
seen that neighbor's yard. They're like the easiest to see
from most of the you know, from the living room,
dining room, stuff like that. I don't I can't think
of any need for a retaining wall.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well there is now that they changed the way the
backyard slopes.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Before they're creating jobs, you know, they're keeping themselves employed.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
I guess it might be that. I mean, it's like
the landlord and just his I guess friends, because they
only really do it on the weekends. I don't know, Jesus, So.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I'm very worried.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, they knocked down the front porch post columns which
were made out of laugh, which I thought was really.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Interesting, made out of what laugh?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Like laugh that like wood pieces that go under plaster.
Oh okay, it's constructed out of laugh. And then they
just stuck up like big just pieces of wood that
don't look any better or potentially look worse, a lot worse.
So I'm very confused.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
I am too. I was. I was more excited when
all you knew is they were digging a hole. Yeah.
We were hoping they were digging.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
A hole to like hell, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
That would have been way cooler.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah. They didn't even really dig a hole. They just
made it. They just leveled out the backyard.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Nah, well that's lame.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Well hmmm, speaking of things that are lame, I don't know.
That's a horrible transition. I've been slowly but surely putting
up my Halloween decorations.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
The need for month for a weekly Spooky in October
as usual is a hell of a lot, and it's
been very hard to find any other time in the
day to do much else, especially since albeit Cinema Wasteland
this weekend this coming weekend, so I have to have
three days where I'm not recording. But don't worry. Still talking,

(04:36):
still talking because it's a sales convention, so still talking
NonStop all day long, So no rest for the voice,
just you know, just not into a microphone.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
What if you just use the voice thing on chat GPT,
Oh god, and like you just told it what it
needed to say when people ask questions.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Did you hear about sore? They just released the new
AirPods Pro three okay, and apparently the Airpod's Pro three
and two, which I'm a huge AirPods pro believer. They
are going to have a technology from your phone that
will allow it to hear people talking to you in
other languages and translate it.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Really, yeah, it's time.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
It's time.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
It's time for Star.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Trek, it's time for the Universal Translator. Wow, it's not
and for real. The only reason that it has to
be AirPods Pro two or three is that the the
headset requires a certain amount of processing power in order
to capture the audio properly. But yeah, it's it's I
think that feature hasn't been rolled out yet, but it

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will be, like in a couple of months or something.
H Now I'm checking Apple of Translation. Oh no, it
it works now. Oh yeah. On the seventeenth of September
it started.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Wow, I wonder how good the translations are.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Me too. I'm gonna have to test it because I
have AirPods Pro too, so and I'm getting at AirPods
Pro three because I was like, I shouldn't buy these,
they're expensive. And then I literally was like, you literally
use them every single day. Like, of all the tech
stuff that you use to make your day easier, your
phone and your AirPods are the only things you're guaranteed

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to use every single day.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
So then I was like, all right, I really do
like air pods, and these new ones are gonna have
eight hours of after active noise canceling on one charge.
That's I think that's phenomenal, eight hours instead of six.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I don't yeah, I didn't even know it was six before.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I don't know, all right, fine, pooh pooh. Everything I
think is cool. Yeah, but yeah, so they'll be translating.
But yeah, so I've been putting up light which I
found out something in my neighborhood. I don't know if
it was a raccoon or a cat or a what
pulled down a portion of my string lights on my

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gutters squirrel, Probably it could be. It would have to
be pretty heavy to be able to pull them down
because they're on hooks that aren't attacked. They're hooked into
the gutter, so they have to pull really hard to
get that dislodged. And not only do they pull it,
but I have my wires. I have the wires on
my string lights coiled and zip tied so that the

(07:31):
light bulbs are closer to each other to make them bright.
And it had like pulled those like really tight, like
it had undone them a bit, which means something had
to really pull. My first thought was that it was Rachel.
I was like, Rachel, did you accidentally walk into the
lights because they're plugged in down below? Did you like
walking in and actually kind of like trip and you
didn't want to say anything. You're going to fix it

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or something and she was like no, and I was like, oh, huh.
So I'm thinking it's got to be something bigger than
a squirrel because that would take quite a bit of force.
But unfortunately, now that string of lights doesn't work at
all because they're water resistant. But the pack, the electronics

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pack on it, is not waterproof. And I had had
it stuck underneath the awning like against the house, so
it never got wet because it was like water resistant
up to a very low amount. So I was like, oh,
I'll just keep it there. So that's dead. So I
have to buy an entire new strand of those lights.
I'm sorry, because you can't buy just the pack because

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the pack is the most expensive thing. Like the lights
are like barely additional. So but once that's up, I'll
have my Christmas lights that I can program to like
flash between orange and purple and stuff, so I can
have my Halloween spooky lights. And I got my jack
O lantern face projector projecting on my garage door. And
I got some zombie head stakes that'll go along the

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walkway to my front of my house, and they have
motion sensors that they light up and go when you
walk by them.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
And at these are great because they run on batteries,
which I would normally be annoyed by, but it's so
nice to be able to have the freedom to put
them somewhere, not right by an outlet. Yeah, although I'll
probably into putting them right by an outlet. So anyway,
I'm trying to get my house halloweened up before October
officially starts. It is like, we're so close to spooky
season starting, so I thought, why not have our Halloween conversation,

(09:35):
our our pre Halloween conversation, be about the origins of
Halloween traditions. And I know we've done a few of
those kinds of things before, especially the one that was
all about what was it wool crepe paper? It was
crepe paper. But I found this really interesting piece from
the Library of Congress about the origins of Halloween traditions.

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So I figure we'll dig into that. But first we
got to get to the spooky news after this, all right,
we're back, But before we get to the thing that
if I say it it triggers something, we do have

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a news update, which I know you know about because
like right after our last monthly Spooky recording, they finally
sentenced Aaron Patterson, the mushroom killer from Australia. And we've
been following this for months here at Monthly Spooky. It
took over almost an entire episode of the show. When

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we first found out about this story and started reading
about it, it was kind of mind blowing. Yeah, yeah,
so this is a news According to NPR headline is
the Australian woman who killed her in laws with toxic
mushrooms gets life in prison. And I appreciate Michelle that
you told me immediately when you heard, because I wanted

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to hear it from you before anybody else. An Australian
judge sentenced Aaron Patterson to life in prison on Monday,
weeks after she was convicted of killing three of her
estranged husband's elderly relatives with poisonous mushrooms in a home
cooked meal. And if you guys don't know the story,
go back on the Monthly Spooky catalog because there is
so much lore. I'm planning on and maybe in the

(11:25):
new year doing like a really exhaustive, terrifying and true
about the whole thing. You should because there's so many
crazy details and I want to wait till they all
come out. I mean the court, you know, her saying like, oh,
I've never even whatever, and they're like, okay, anyway, here's
like you googling how to forage deadly mushrooms. You know,
like it's like not quite that well, it might be

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that bad. Actually, some of the stuff I was reading,
I was like, what on Earth. In July, after a
nine week trial, a jury found Patterson guilty of three
counts of murder and one count of attempted murder. On Monday,
Justice Justice Christopher Beale sentenced the fifty year old mother
of two to three life sentences plus another twenty five
years for attempted murder. I threw the book at her.

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Yeah she will be eligible.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, she'll be eligible for.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Parole, I know in thirty three years.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, that's bullshit.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
I don't understand how you'd be eligible for parole in
thirty three years when you got three life sentences plus
twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I don't understand what.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, I know that it's by their discretion. I guess
their attitude is the likelihood of recidivism is low, Like,
why would she kill again? Since it was a very
specific situation and also she'll be eighty two years old
if she's still alive by the time she gets out

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in twenty fifty six. Yeah, so I guess the attitude
is like, since she's not a repeat offender, since this
is her first defense ever, that the likelihood that she'll
end up back there. You know what, they're just a
kind nation because they're a nation of convicts. Yeah, imagine
how bad you had to be to be sent all
the way to Australia, Like that's really far away to

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originally be a prison colony. I think about that a lot.
I should actually read about it though, instead of just
being judgy. But I know we have a few ausy listeners.
Send us an email, tell me I'm terrible Weekly Spooky
at gmail dot com. At Monday's hearing, which was broadcast
live from the Supreme Court of Victoria, Beale delivered a
summary of the case against Patterson and concluded, quote, the
gravity of your offending warrants the imposition of the maximum

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penalties for your crimes. That's what I said, ya. Patterson,
who has maintained her innocence, kept her eyes closed for
much of the hearing and showed little emotion when Beale
announced her sentence. Under Australian law. She now has twenty

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eight days until October sixth to file an appeal against
her sentence, conviction or both. Who In July of twenty
twenty three, you host Patterson host the four guests for
lunch at her home and small town in Langanthia. Yeah, yeah,
Legantha howevery sent it? So it is undisputed that she
served them individual portions of homemade bef Wellington, a dish

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steak dish wrapped in pastry, usually with a paste of
finely chopped mushrooms, and as Pattersoners self acknowledged during the trial,
that paste contained death cap mushrooms, which are among the
most poisonous in the world.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
All four guests were hospitalized with gastro intestinal symptoms the
following day, and three of them died. We've talked about
a lot of this. It's just this story is so nuts.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, and her lies are the best. Sorry.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah. Oh, I was going to say, I don't know
if we touched on this when we originally talked about it,
because I was talking to my mom about it. Death
cap mushrooms are responsible for ninety percent of all mushroom fatalities, so.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I don't think we had that. I know that they're
like the most Fatal Mushroom. Yeah, which, by the way,
would be a great name for our band, Fatal or.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
The most Fatal Mushroom.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Ooh, kind of like the most it feels more meta.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Yeah, so anyway, that that is pretty much it. Uh.
Biale did say Patterson has been quote effectively held in
solitary confinement for the last fifteen months, and for her
own protection, could remain that way for years to come
because of the everybody knowing about this case.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, when you when you're all over the news, being
in prison can be pretty dangerous because it just brings people,
you know, it makes people aware of you.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Okay, fine, I'm gonna start making everybody aware of you
all the time.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I feel like everyone's aware.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Of me more. I'll do it more though.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Fine.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
That is why he decided to make her eligible for
parole eventually, despite the seriousness of her crime, because of
the sheer amount of solitary confinement she will likely be
put through. Okay, solitary confinement's brutal. Yeah, there are tons
of studies about how like that's just hell on a
human being's brain.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
That's how I want to go.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Could you expound on that a little bit? What?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I don't know. I just really wanted to say.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
That we weren't even talking about a way of dying.
We were just talking about an experience. Okay, dark Chell, God,
that was uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
The quote, the harsh prison conditions that you have experienced
already and the likely prospect of solitary confinement for the
foreseeable future are important and weighty considerations which should count
for something in the sentencing exercise. He said, Okay, so yeah,
so that's I mean, that's pretty much it. Oh. She

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did later testify that, oh wait, no, no, sorry for
a saying I thought she'd finally admitted that she said
she had cancer. She did not. So I'm just skimming
it to make sure there's nothing I hadn't because there's
a lot of stuff we've already talked about in this article,
but most importantly life in prison, three charge for three
murders plus twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Honestly, like, I was afraid that they I was afraid
they were going to somehow be like, oh, it's criminally
negligent homicide or something, when it's like so clear she
killed those people.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, yeah, no on purpose. I was confident that it
would work out.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
You have a lot of confidence in the legal.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
System, Australian legal system.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Is it because they still wear wigs?

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I assume yeah, because that's a big deal.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
It makes a difference, damn it, it does. Well, we're
gonna come back and then we'll actually jump into the
uh stuff right after this. All right, without any further ado, Michelle,

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would you like to do the honors?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
No, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
It's not that you turn it down. It's that you
are so happy to you just had like you went
from like a like a basic you know, resting face,
too huge smile and said, no, no, it's yours. I
don't know if that was your thrill at like putting
me off, or if it was your thrill at like
not accepting kindness for yourself. They're all good answers.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
He mean, it's both of those things.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
You're a very multifaceted individual. I'll give you that. But
it's time for the spooky news. The spooky news and
shell I'm feeling nostalgic because Halloween time always makes me nostalgic.
I think that that's my favorite thing about holidays. You know,
you think about the past ones, you get a little nostalgic.

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So we're starting this month with a story from Mirror
dot co dot UK.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Wow, it's been a while.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Let's hope it's not a commercial. That's like, every time
we do a Mirror dot Code at UK, I'm like,
please don't be a commercial for something.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
And I've had We've had a few British and UK
listeners right in and say that, Yeah, Mirror dot Code
at UK, they all make fun of it, so that's good.
They enjoy when we when we take the piss out
of Mirror dot Code at UK. Good headline is UK's
most haunted road, where phantom trucks have caused real life crashes.

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Oh no, yeah, sounds spooky, right.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
It definitely sounds like stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Well, roads at night get very effortlessly get creepy. I
would say, well, I mean, have you never been creeped
out when you're driving all alone at night?

Speaker 2 (20:06):
No. I think we've talked about this in the past,
and I just don't really get it. I don't really
think roads are creepy at night.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
I mean I like driving at night, so I'm not
saying that like all I ever do when I'm on
a highways or a dark road is go like ooh, scared.
But okay, maybe sometimes scared. But I do find sometimes
like certain stretches of road for whatever reason, just kind
of feel a little creepier at night. Not all of them,

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by any stretch. Most interstates feel totally fine, you know,
it's just like, oh yeah, but every now and then,
like when I would drive to Georgia through the night.
I used to have to do that a lot. There's
a stretch through North Carolina that's just back roads, it's
not interstate, and it can be pretty in the daytime
it is so beautiful. Yeah, at night it is creepy

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as hell.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I just don't find roads creepy.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Be sorry, fine, okay, I'm the I'm stupid. That's what
you're what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
You win, you win win.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Across the UK, there are roads with reputations that could
make even the most experienced driver second guess a late
night journey. That's you, I don't think so. Ghostly figures
appearing from nowhere, phantom vehicles, and unexplained accidents that have
been reported by drivers for decades, making some stretches of

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tarmac notoriously haunted.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
I mean, if I got into an accident, it would
be very convenient to blame it on the ghost car.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
That's a really good point. I'm with you on that,
that that would be incredibly convenient. Yeah, that's a fair point.
The rural lanes to bustling motorways are from rural lanes
to bustling motorways. These spectral encounters have become part of
local lore. Below overco oh it below overco and online

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marketplaces part places, free my God, Mirra Dakota, UK get
a copy editor below. Ovoco, an online marketplace it says
places for used car parts, has compiled a list of
the UK's most haunted roads where driving at night can
be an experience that's equal parts eerie and unnerving.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Ooh.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
At the top of the list is A seventy five.
I'm guessing that's how they label there highways I don't
actually know, dubbed Scotland's most haunted road, the A seventy
five want winds through? I guess that is a spell wine. Wait, no,
that's wins isn't wind with an h oh boy, we're

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gonna we're all gonna don't think an h in it.
You're probably right. I just read I don't write. The
A seventy five winds through Dumbfreeze and Galloway and has
a history of bizarre sightings. Drivers have reported phantom trucks
appearing out of nowhere, ghostly pedestrians stepping onto the tarmac,
and spectral animals darting across the road. Okay, spectral animals.

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Note animals always dart out of the road. Yeah, out
of nowhere. Yeah, that's always how that works.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, And pedestrians sometimes go on the road.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Too, they do.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
And sometimes trucks just appear.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
I don't think that part's true.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Are you sure you don't think trucks just kind of
phase in and out of reality as a part of
their normal thing that they're doing.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
I can't say that. I do think that really Yeah maybe.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I mean I don't know how to explain this to you.
You know, sometimes they're in one place, then they go
through the thing, and then they're in another place.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Unrelated question, do you have a carbon monoxide detector?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I have three carbon monoxide detectors.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
None of them working, yes, all of them. Because I
was tired of all that beeping distracting me from my theories. Yeah,
I do want to mention quick plug. A couple weeks
ago or last week actually, on Terrifying and True, I
did a story about America's spook hollow roads, which I

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thought was really fun, which is basically the concept of
a very American tradition of haunted roadways. I really recommend
to listen to that, and if you like that, my
deep dive into the urban legend resurrection Mary out of
Chicago one of my favorite episodes I've ever done of
Terrifying and True. Really love diving into the folklore. I

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can get a little squeamish with the true crime stuff,
so I need the folklore to cleanse my palate. It's
a lot more fun, Yeah, because you know if it
says like and then I'm killed this whole family. Yeah,
but that was a long time ago. It's fine. Yeah,
those over one hundred years ago. Who cares. I didn't
know him, But yeah, it's fine. It's fine. It's better.
One chilling story that may be more rumor than the

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stuff written into Traffic Scotland's Traffic Scotland's Archives involves two
truck drivers who crashed into what they thought was an
oncoming lory, only to find nothing but an empty road
when they.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Recovered huh they used truck and lory they did in
the same sentence, I I'm scared.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
This is the scariest part. Is just British English?

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
The A seventy five has inspired claims of supernatural encounters
for centuries, making night driving here an unnerving experience for
those inclined to believe in the paranormal. Several years ago,
John Hill of Mostly Ghostly Paranormal Investigators decided to research
the road and its spooky reputation. He claimed that he

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unearthed so many ghostly encounters on the tarmac length that
it is well deserving of the most haunted road in
Scotland and some say all of Britain title. Mister Hill
and Mostly Ghostly founder Kathleen Crony held the first ever
ghost coach tour of the road back in twenty thirteen,

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offering a guided tour of its most spine chilling sites.
Might be becoming.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
A commercial kind of sounds like it.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Miss Croney told the BBC that one of the most
infamous sightings was made by Derek and Norman Ferguson in
nineteen sixty two. Quote they were driving along here, and
the whole incident began with a large hen flying towards
the windscreen of their car. Windscreen of their car, she said.
Then they witnessed great cats and various other creatures, as

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well as witnessing a phantom furniture van, which is a
bit unusual, to say the least, not according to Michelle, it's.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Not well, no, I no van, No, it was trucks.
Vans would be weird if a ban just came out
of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I guess that's a fair point. Yeah, all right, well
we'll we'll learn a little bit more about this haunted
roadway right after this. All right, we're back looking at
the story of the Scottish the most haunted Scottish road,

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according to these jimmokes, According to those who worked on
the road, lorry drivers would regularly report seeing groups of dejected,
bedraggled people. What is with the language, and this is
so British. I feel like it's not normally so we
don't usually hear be draggled Like I didn't say it

(27:59):
was a bad word, said, I don't expect that. Yeah,
bedraggled people pulling hand carts, other translucent figures carried bundles.
Bob Sturgeon used to run a snack van on the
A seventy five. A snack van. I'm guessing it's a
van full of snacks.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Ah maybe or it's a man made of snacks.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Oh, that sounds delicious, A job that put him in
regular contact with the HGV drivers who went up and
down it. He claimed that one lorry driver had quit
the industry after seeing a gaggle of ghosts on the road.
The language is a little funny, yeah. Quote. He had

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been parked on the kin Mount Strait and he had
woken up at three in the morning and he saw
this parade of people. He said that it went on
for ages and he had just frozen. He was in
an awful state, mister Sturgeon said. Scottish Paranormal, An investigation
involved in scotland spookier happened and invest in organizations Sorry

(29:03):
involved in Scotland's spookier happenings, has compiled the list of
the alleged sightings along the A seventy five and the
characters that seem to appear multiple times. They also report
large groups of ghosts walking along the roads, but of
a different sort and from a different time. Well, it'd
be weird if the ghosts were from the future.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
They didn't say what time they were. Oh, so maybe
they are the future.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I mean, oh wow, this is going really far back.
Quote travel back in time and envision a ghostly legion
of Romans marching along the A seventy five, visible only
from the knees up, a stark reminder of the land's
evolving topography, and a haunting connection to Scotland's ancient past
Scottish paranormal rites. Wow, so they're going all the way

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to Rome.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Okay, so I assume that the A seventy five has
been around since Roman time.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
I mean my guess would be that it's just that
it may have been like some kind of a thorough
like a you know, dirt roads or yeah. Yeah, but
path of some sort.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
It would still have to exist, otherwise it would make
no sense for people to deep walking up.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
It's probably just made up. Yeah, it's priab just made up.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Another alarming character is that of the old game keeper,
who is said to appear at the side of the
road with a rifle, watching the vehicles driving by, before
suddenly disappearing. Okay, that sounds creepy.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Could just be some guy, but could just be a.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Guy who still has a rifle somehow.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Those who put off by who are put off by
the sound of the above and are considering making a
lengthy diversion to skip a seventy five need not worry.
Ghosts are not real. That's the last. That's mirror dot
code at UK A fascinating experience. I've ever so confused. Yeah,
but I.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Did learn that in the UK, like in California, they
put the in front of highway numbers.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Huh according Oh yeah, like they just say it that
way too.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
They say, yeah, yeah, the a seventy five instead of
a seventy five.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah that is Yeah, I don't know about all that. Yeah,
I like it. I like not doing that. Like I
like that we just say I seventy five, I eighty five.
I like that because it saves time. Who's got time
for that?

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, I already know it's the I don't have to
put it there.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, Like, come.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
On, it's like in Spanish when you drop the the sometimes.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Well, I want to tell a story that's a little
bit uplifting, and this is one that I'd been meaning
to read on the show for a while, but I
never got around to it. This is from NPR headline.
After five hundred and twenty nine days alone in the
Australian bush, Valerie the Mini docsun is home.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Oh I know about this, you do. Yeah, that's all
I know.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
But yeah, bundled I'm a dog person, So bundled in
a little blanket on a plush couch, Valerie doesn't quite
look like a dog who recently survived more than seventeen
months in the Australian wilderness. She's nestled between her two owners,
twenty four year old Georgia Gardner and twenty five year

(32:29):
old Josh Fishlock, licking the couple's faces every so often
as they talk over zoom ah quote. She's the queen
of the house, Gardner says, smiling. It's her house and
we just live in it a bit. But for five
hundred and twenty nine days, Valerie, a roughly ten pound

(32:51):
mini docs in with short legs and a long, black
and brown body, was missing from that house. During a
November two thousand and two, twenty three camping trip to
Kangaroo Island to Remote Island in southern Australia, she ran
away from the campsite. Yeah, on an island.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I mean that's confusing.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I man, I like, my greatest fear when I would
take my dogs anywhere is that they would run away disappear.
Really on an island, I was really lucky. My dogs
didn't really do the runaway thing. When I was a kid,
our dogs did. They would like try to just run
for it.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah. Yeah, I had a dog that would do would
run away.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Look at this dog. Wowp yeah's because she's laying back
big old floppy years. Anyway, Valerie was microchipped and also
had an Apple Air tag on her collar. Oh that's smart.
The AAR tag is really smart. But the island is
sparsely populated and largely used for farming and livestock, and

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the tag needed Apple Bluetooth devices nearby to track her down.
So the couple did what others do when their pets
go missing. They posted about her disappearance on a local
Facebook group, left some of their clothes and toys with
valerie scent near the spot she ran off and switched
the air Air tag into lost mode. But despite searching

(34:19):
for days with members of the community, Gardner and Fishlock
had to return home to mainland. Australia leaving the island
without her. Wow, that's so rough.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, why didn't she come back?

Speaker 1 (34:34):
I don't know. And Australia is not known for having
a very kind and forgiving nature, so quote leaving the
island was probably the hardest decision I think I've ever
made in my life. We went over there as a
three and we were going back as two. It was
a very horrible feeling, Fishlock remembers. They tried to hold

(34:55):
out hope that someone would find her and they'd be
back in a week or two to pick her up.
Weeks turned into months and there was still no word
about Valerie. Yeah, Gardner says. The couple tried to cope
with the fact that their tiny dog had disappeared on
an island home to predators like snakes and eagles. They

(35:16):
made up a story, trying to convince themselves that she'd
been picked up by an old lady on a farm
and was now eating dog biscuits and sleeping in a
warm bed. Quote. But we definitely had to be realistic
that we might never get her home, and we had
to move through that grief. She says. Man, that's so rough, Yeah,

(35:39):
it really is. Then one day this past February, more
than a year after Valerie had gone missing, a farmer
on Kangaroo Island snapped a photo of a tiny dog
running through fields. That photo eventually made it to the
Kangala Wildlife Rescue, a local animal rescue on the island

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generally focused more on wildlife than pets, who had been
in contact with Valerie's owners since she'd gone missing, and
shared it with them. Gardner says at first they couldn't
believe it. Quote, there's no way a four kilo dog
could survive that long, she remembers thinking, But she says
the photo was absolutely Valerie.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I know right, Well, we're going to take a quick
break and we'll get into more of Valerie's amazing return
home after this, and we're back talking about possibly the
most badass mini docs and on Earth. Although there may

(36:46):
be some stiff competition, there definitely in the top ten.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, that's the only one
I know.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
So you haven't lived until you keep up with the
scorecards on mini Docsan's Eh, I'm never gonna live. Lisa Karen,
who runs Kangala Wife Wildlife Rescue with her husband Jared,
says Once that photo came through, they got to work
trying to rescue Valerie during their off hours. It was

(37:15):
no small feat. Karen says. They first thought it would
take only a few days to catch the mini docs in,
but they put out about a dozen of what she
calls cat traps, basic cages with a plate of food
and a door that latches when an animal goes in.
But they kept catching nearly everything, brush tail possums, feral cats, wallabies,

(37:37):
everything except Valerie.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Did you didn't you want a wallaby for Christmas? Wasn't
I gonna get you one?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
I don't remember that at all, So.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
No, okay, I guess I'll have him put to sleep.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
No, just put him back where he belongs.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Why not.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Because he belongs with you, Michelle.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
No, he's never even met me before.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
I let him loose in your house every night while
you're asleep. Oh, yeah, that's what that was.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Oh. Her next quote was even a few kangaroos put
their heads in there. So, along with a team of
other volunteers, they began experimenting with different traps, often working
long nights with little to no sleep. Eventually, they rigged
up a big pen with a roof, several wildlife cameras,
and a remote controlled door, setting it in the spot

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where Valerie had been last seen. They replenished it daily
with food like roast chicken and filled it with Valeries
toys and clothes that carried the scent of her owner
of her owners. Eventually, Valerie started showing up, grabbing food
before darting back out again. Well, yeah, she's become cunning, Yeah,
to get by in the harsh, in the harsh world.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Let's face it, she was always cunning. She's she's been surviving.
She knows what she's doing.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Damn right. See, I like you. Now you're on team
valin I love that for you. And finally, after nearly
two months of trying to capture the little dog, everything
lined up. Valerie entered the pen and relaxed a bit.
Then they hit the remote to drop the door.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Quote, it was surreal walking down to the trap site
from the car and you could hear her barking. Karen
remembers she climbed into the pen alongside her daughter, and
eventually Valerie climbed into their laps and fell asleep. That's
really cute.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
It's cute, but I feel bad for Valerie because I
think she wanted to be free.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
I don't know about all that.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I think she wanted to be free.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Okay, So what you're saying is they should let her,
They should let her back into the wilderness.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
What I'm saying is, this is a story of you know,
kidnapping an animal, and.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Wow, you turned our feel good story for the month
into something really hateful.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Great job, thanks quote.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Our hearts just broke. Then we knew she never ever
wanted to be to be a minute out there, she says,
they seem to disagree.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Well, then how come she didn't run to like the
farmer or that stuff. How come she kept going out
of the cage?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
How come maybe she was scared. I mean, at that
point had been over a year, Yeah, when the cage
was happening.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yeah, so she and she you know, the stuff in
the cage had the scent of her owners and stuff,
so you'd think that she wouldn't be constantly darting out
of it. I don't know, I don't know. It sounds
like she wanted to be free.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Hmmm. No one quite knows exactly how Valerie survived so
many days in the wild. She was ultimately found about
thirty miles from the campsite she'd left. Okay, maybe by
that point she had lost the scent of her owners.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I mean it's possible.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Karen speculates that she was drinking water from nearby farms,
burrowing in the dirt for shelter, or even eating the
carcasses of dead animals. After her capture, Valerie went to
the vet and got a clean bill of health. She'd
even gained some weight. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, see she was having a good time.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Quote, she's got the physique of a little bodybuilder, Karen laughed.
About A month has passed since her big adventure came
to an end, and Valerie has been back home with
Gardner and Fishlock for about two weeks. They say she's
settled right back in, playing with her toys, cuddling in bed,
and going on walks, just like before she went missing.
I mean, I would worry that she has a taste

(41:55):
for blood now, but that's just me.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, I feel.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Like you worry about that more than I do.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Usually I don't worry about taste for blood.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Oh wait, No, you're a cat person's You're like, yeah,
they kill kill stuff, do exactly? Yeah? Kill it. Quote,
Oh you're going like this quote, She's come back a
bit more independent. Gardner says, she's still quite attached to us,
but she's stronger and more on her own.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Karen says. People have asked her why she and her
team put so much effort in time into finding one
tiny dog, But for her, it was simple. Quote if
it was your dog, what would you want someone to do?
Wouldn't you want someone to say, hey, let's do the
best we can. We should all as humans just come
together and make it right, or at least try. She says,

(42:48):
I like this lady, even though you think she's a
kidnapper and a monster.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I I'm on the face
of it, that's very nice, and I think that everyone
should do the best for everything. But that dog just
wanted to be free.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Wow, Okay, fine.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
And it was like, you know, when it realized it
was going back to captivity, was like, okay, But she
she wanted to be free. That's why she left. That's
why she was just hanging out for almost two years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Wow, okay, I mean I appreciate the hot take.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Gardner and Fishlocks say they've been flooded with messages about Valerie,
mostly from Michelle uh angrily writing message after message, Yes,
many from people saying her story gave them hope.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Oh that's too bad because this is such an ex
this is such an extreme example, and I like, don't
I feel bad for people who like their dog got
away and they're really probably dead, you know, and they're like, oh,
well maybe she's no, they're dead.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I mean I wouldn't be I wouldn't be shocked if
she was being taken care of, but we don't know,
you know, by who, or you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
It's possible. Yeah, Like like.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I wouldn't be surprised if somebody saw a little dog
and they kept laying out food. Maybe they tried to
catch her and that's what made her so uh you
know shy m h. It's yeah, you know, maybe maybe
them trying to catch her just scared the hell out
of her. I don't know. Gardner says she hopes that
that's what people can take away from the saga is hope. Quote.

(44:35):
If a tiny, little four kilo sausage dog can survive
on Kangaroo Island in the Australian bush, then you know,
you too can survive whatever it is. You're going through. Aw. Yeah, man,
you're mean. These people seem so nice. They haven't even
killed anybody. They haven't even killed anybody with toxic mushrooms

(44:55):
like these are great people.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
They are. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I think your apology might be accepted. We'll have to see,
but we're going to take a break, and when we
get back, I want to talk about a story I'm
very excited about involving a ancient grave being unearthed in
residential Lima. After this, we have returned with even more

(45:30):
spooky news Shell and this one I got really excited
about when I saw the headline ancient pre Hispanic grave
unearthed under residential Lima. I want to say Lima Street
because Lima, Ohio is near me, which should be pronounced
Lima Ohio as well. Yeah, but it's Lima Street. This

(45:53):
is from Reuters and human remains pointing to a one
thousand year old pre Hispanic semetery were unearthed in northern
Lima by workers digging under the Peruvian capital to install
a gas pipeline, an archaeologist. Archaeologist told Reuters on Thursday.
The tomb was found on a residential street, just two

(46:15):
meters from the front gate of a house.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, I don't know how big a meter is six.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Point six feet, I don't I'm not smart. That's in it.
It's next to the two meters. It has the calculation.
I'm not smart. Don't let anybody fall for that thinking
I'm smart. Stuff that ain't happening of Jose Pablo aliya Uh,
an archaeologist for Gas Distribution from Kalidida Khalida, said the

(46:43):
remains of a man wrapped in burial cloth alongside pottery
likely pointed to a burial complex after another body was
found nearby last month. Wow, ooh, here you can see
some of the stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Chell, Hey, there's a skull.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
And some pots and bamboo and.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Some stuff next to it that doesn't look like it's old.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
I think that's for like size, Yeah, for something for reference,
I guess would be the term. Quote. The material evidence
suggests that it could be a burial of the Shanki
culture from approximately one thousand to twelve hundred years ago,
said Alaga, pointing to a coastal fishing based civilization known
for its textiles and ceramics. Quote. We are probably over

(47:33):
a pre Hispanic cemetery, as we found another burial just
around the corner from here, he added, so they're maggoty
with burials burial spots. It is common for companies excavating
under Lima to hire archaeologists due to the number of
sites scattered in the city. Last month, Kalida Gas workers

(47:56):
working in the same district of Puente Perda Pierre Pierre, Ah, Pierra,
I burned my tongue on my tea and now I
can't speak Spanish, discovered the remains of a mummified woman,
which researcher researchers estimate are over nine hundred years old.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Wow, it was not that old.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
No? No, no, are you just saying that to be
a jerk?

Speaker 2 (48:22):
No?

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Are you sure? No? Because I mean you you went
pretty hard against that family getting their dog back at
during the last segment.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I mean, I kind of stick by what I said,
but I do think they're nice people. I just I'm
just not sure that dog wanted to live indoors. I
think that dog was happy.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Wow. Yeah, So are you gonna open your front door
and just see what gigs does?

Speaker 2 (48:49):
No? No, she would die if she went outside because
she didn't have her whole face.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
I thought you were like, no, because she's my property.
I thought you were just gonna like you go all
in all that way. I own her. Peru's ten million
strong capital hosts over four hundred archaeological sites dotted around
the city. Wow, ten million people live in Lima. That's incredible.

(49:18):
That's a very I need to know more about Lima, Peru,
because like, I had no idea they had that size
of a population in one city. I mean, that's incredible.
I also, whenever I hear Peru, I think of Silent Night,
Deadly Night three because this girl who's blind, she goes
to this psychotherapist guy and she says, like, we're going

(49:42):
to Piru after I leave here. We're going to see
my grandmother in Piru. And he's like, you're going to
Peru and she's like, no, Piru. It's in the valley
where they grow oranges. It's the dumbest exchange. But I
remember it forever because that's pretty much narrows down My
entire existence is stuff like that. Whatever is the dumbest exchange,

(50:04):
I'll remember forever. Yeah. Anyway, good? Oh no, please please
validate me, please for the God.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
That's okay.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Finally, Khalida itself has reported over twenty two hundred archaeological
discoveries in the last two decades, most of them traced
back to the chang Ki culture. That's really interesting that
that the gas company is hiring archaeologists and finding all
the stuff. It's actually kind of nice.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
I mean, it's interesting. I mean, it's not different than
like anywhere else. Like my sister has to go out
when they find like graveyards under things.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Oh no, I agree, it's just like here, it's like
obvious that this was a massive hub of of you know,
of ancient cultures. So it's just interesting that it's like that,
Like the gas company has made twenty two hundred archaeological
discoveries in two decades, because it's just so thick with
that stuff everywhere. You know, as to where if we

(51:12):
were digging in my area of Ohio and we found
a bunch of skeletons, people will be like, uh what
unless it was near an Indian mound. But that's different.
We do have a bunch of Indian mounds. Yeah, it's
kind of our claim to fame except for the birthplace

(51:32):
of aviation, but whatever. That's my favorite. You can never
win an argument with somebody from Dayton, Ohio about where
you're from. You just can't because like all you have
to do is like keep it to your keep the
card close to your chest until they say like, well,
you know we had the you know, the White Sox
went to the whatever, and then you can go, oh, yeah, yeah,
we invented the man's ability to fly.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yeah, but what about the people what about the people
from like North Carolina who are like, we don't have
the first flight and about it.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
No, No, for their museum, there can't be anything interesting
in that museum because the Right Brothers Museum in Dayton
is massive.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
It's pretty small.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, there you go on that one. Hey, I get it.
They wanted to go where there was the reason they
did it at Kitty Hawk is because they felt bad
for how awful Kitty No. No, the reason they did
at Kitty Hawk this is you brought up like a
blood feud. I know, first in flight?

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Are their license place a first in flight? Are say
birthplace of aviation? So just saying no, uh. The reason
they went to Kitty Hawk is is a beautiful place
and they wanted to do it on sand to have
like a softer landing, you know, assuming things don't go
so good.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
And I'm sure winds too, because being near the ocean,
the winds are really strong. Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I don't know if that's a good thing, honestly.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Yeah, you're right, kitty hawk, get your shit together.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
The South American nation is home to hundreds of archaeological sites,
including the Inca Citadel of Machu Picchu. I've heard of
Machu Picchu in the Andean region of Cusco and the
ancient Nazca lines carved into the coastal desert of its
Eca region.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Oh, I heard those lines.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Those are nice. Yeah, I've heard Peru, and I think
Chile have like an insane amount of ancient cultures like
all over the place. So yeah, I mean Chile technically
the birthplace, birthplace of Chili power peppers, that's where the
name comes from.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
I mean I think I think that that's more impressive
than the birthplace of aviation. Personally.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
No, I agree. No, I was talking about the States,
talking about countries, because then you can be like, I'm
from Italy, I'm going to claim democracy. Get out of
here with your roaman stuff. No. But uh, no, that's well.
And I'm pretty sure Chile is where the first potatoes
came from too whoa. So yeah, if if people didn't

(54:12):
know potatoes, tobacco, all chili peppers came from Central America
originally and South America originally.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I believe that.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
It blew my mind. Some people in Asia refused. They're like, no,
we had them, you know you didn't. Yeah, and it's
like you were the biggest trade route in the world
was going to the Indies and stuff like, yeah, you
did not have them before. They're like, well, what if
a bird ate a chili pepper and then flew across
the ocean and then pooped over here. It's like, dude,

(54:43):
stop coping. It's okay, Okay, it's okay. The Irish pretend
like they've always had potatoes. It's fine, Yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Chile is not like goddamn Sony saying like, oh, we
have a patent now, so you gotta time you eat
a potato, you gotta pay us a little something. With
that said, we're gonna take a break and when we
get back, we're going to talk about a very aggressive
animal that put two people in the er. Right after this, Michelle,

(55:24):
what level of fear do you have of wild animals?

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I mean, It depends on the wild animal. It depends
on that.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, but I mean as a general threat wild animals,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
It depends and what if they're dangerous or not. Like
I'm not afraid of like the salamanders that are living
in my mom's house, but I am afraid of bears.
All bears, yes, all of them.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
I mean if if the black fight back, if they're brown,
lay down, if they're grizzly, I don't know what the
I think you just die?

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Yeah, well, hmm. If I told you that a very
aggressive wild animal sent two people, at least two people
to the emergency room, what animal would you think that was.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I think it's a deer.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, yeah, How how did you know that?

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Because I just tried to think of the one that,
like normally.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Wouldn't I'm faking you out. Actually it's a squirrel.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Oh no, yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Huffington Post has an article with the headline aggressive squirrel
sends at least two people to er in California city.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
San Francisco. Residents of San Francisco Bay Area city are
on the lookout for an aggressive squirrel that sent at
least two people to the hospital for medical treatment.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Did havebes.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
I think it's just really mean. I'm looking. We're gonna
find out together, you and me if this is a
team effort. Okay, but this is why I asked, like,
what is you know? How afraid are you of the
general concept of wild animals? Okay, Like, I'm moderately afraid
of the general concept of wild animals because that includes

(57:31):
like how startled would I be if a full sized
deer was just on my lawn. I'd be a little
concerned if it was like like because I'd be like,
why isn't it staying away?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Oh? I wouldn't be concerned at all.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Oh. I mean if it was passing by, I wouldn't be.
But if it was just like standing in my yard
not going anywhere, I'd be like, what is wrong with
this deer?

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah? I would Is it angry? They're just hanging out?

Speaker 1 (57:54):
I have the cutest family of possums in my in
my my front yard, backyard somewhere.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I keep seeing them on my ring camera going around places,
and every now and then the mom will be waddling
around and you can see a baby on its back. Ah.
I like possums. They eat bugs. Yeah, I say, let's
have all the possums. All possums, no gophers. That's what
I want in life. Okay, But one year, do you remember,
years and years ago, we had like these crazy aggressive squirrels.

(58:22):
They were chewing through our dumpsters or trash cans and stuff,
and they chewed up my Halloween jackal landerns. I haven't
had that problem very much, but I'm gonna give a
pro tip out there for every weekly Spooky listener. You've
earned this. When I had giant chunks ripped from my pumpkins,
and like trigger treat was the next day, I ran

(58:43):
out to the store and I bought a bottle of
temper paint and I just squirted it generously on all
of the cuts, and it made the pumpkin look like
it had wounds all over it that were like seeping blood.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
That's really cool.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
It honestly was possibly my favorite jackal headerds ever because
they just looked all they just looked like they had
been ripped apart and were bleeding. It was really creepy
and fun. So thank you for that, squirrels. But let's
talk about a scary squirrel. Joan he Black told ABC
affiliate KGOTV that she was walking in the Lucas Valley
neighborhood of San Rafael when a squirrel seemingly came out

(59:19):
of nowhere and attacked her leg, clawing and biting. Oh
no quote, it clamped onto my leg. The tail was
flying up here. I was like, get it off me,
get it off me. He Black said, that's we're laughing,
I think, because that's what I would be yelling. If
a squirrel just latched onto my leg, I'd probably be

(59:40):
helling get it off me to nobody in particular.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
No, see, like, I'm not laughing because of that. I'm
laughing because I wouldn't recount that. I wouldn't be like
And then I was like yelling like get it off,
because come on, you would just.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Keep that to yourself. You want some people to know that.
So then I just stood there like a freaking alpha
chad and just let it noaw on my leg like whatever,
little bro, Now's not the time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I just think that, like it's kind of a given
that you're freaking out, Like you don't have to tell
me that. You're saying, give it off me, getting it
off me?

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I get it Isabelle Campoi also said she was attacked
while walking in the same area. The squirrel launched itself
from the ground to her face and wound up on
her arm, leaving it bloody. She said, wow, whoa both
of the this squirrel might be a misogynist. It attacked.
Both of these women were women, It says here both

(01:00:28):
women went to the emergency room. Flyers have now been
posted warning residents that the squirrel is no joke and
that more than five people have been attacked by a
quote very mean squirrel. That quote comes out of nowhere. Wow.
Oh man, So I'm going to show you Chell. This

(01:00:49):
is an image of the arm injury. That's pretty bad,
like her arm is ripped up. Yeah, that's the squirrel attack. Squirrel. Beware,
this is not a joke. More than five people have
been attacked. But it has like a shot of a
squirrel flying through the air, So it's like funny. I'm
sure you'd laugh, but I like that it says like, no,
but really, there's been a squirrel attacking people. Be careful.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Honestly, if I saw that, I would think it was
a joke.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Yeah, but that's because you live near Philly. People do
stuff like that in Philly. Yeah, I miss Philly. I
need to come and visit. Oh gosh. Vanessa Potter of Wildcare,
a wildlife rescue organization in San Rafael, told KGO TV

(01:01:30):
that the aggressive behavior likely comes from the squirrel being
fed and cared for by humans when it was a baby.
Oh wow, So it's an ingrate, is what you're saying.
I thought they were nicer when they were hand fed
as babies.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
No, because it actually hated those people when they were
meaned it even.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Assume all animals hate their owners.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Well, because the squirrel is attacking people, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
I mean, the dog before wasn't attacking people, and you
still assumed it hated its owners.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Did not hate, just didn't want to be around them anymore,
and'd be free.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Oh my god. Okachell, Okay, she said squirrels are not
vectors for rabies. Oh that's helpful.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I guess. Yeah, experts say the public should not feed
wild animals. I don't think. I think.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Mmm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I mean I think that she's probably right that it
probably I don't think the way it read what it
said being fed and cared for by humans when it
was a baby, I think she meant when it was
an adolescent. Maybe it just was constantly being fed, so
it it no longer fears humans, and it wants and
it demands things from them. I guess you know, it
gets aggressive with them. If it was a baby being

(01:02:49):
bottle fed by a human, I feel like it would
be super nice. Yeah, that's usually how, especially mammals, but
even birds, like if they're if they're if they're hand
fed when they're little babies, they're just super nice. Not
all birds, some birds are still birds. Have you you're
not a rat person or a mouse person? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
No? I mean no, I've never Wait, did you ask
if i'd ever held a rat?

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah? Yeah, do you like it? Did you like it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
It was fine? Yeah. I had a friend growing up
who had some rats.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Whoa bragging right there, throwing your weight around. I had
a friend growing up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Yeah weird, right, Yeah, sorry, it's okay. She moved away.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Oh thank god, that's the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I feel like we all have at least that one
friend that moved away. But uh, I've noticed with rats
that if you raise them from babies, you know, feeding
them and stuff, they are insanely, insanely friendly and cuddly
as to where if you get them from a pet store.
That doesn't mean they won't be it's just a little

(01:03:55):
bit more of a roll of the dice about how
friendly they'll be, because they'll warm up to you. They're
a mammal, they'll warm up to you. They'll be cool.
But like if you raised it from a little bean
and fed it and took care of it with it,
you know, it'll just really love you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yeah, sometimes you have to be careful with that though,
because I don't remember. I think it's like pigeons and
stuff you don't want to like sometimes the animals then
think that they're a person and then they like start
like wanting you to be their mate and all.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
The stuff, and then you end up with a monkey
that rips your face off.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Yeah, I mean I was talking about pigeons.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
But yeah, okay, fair enough. You should really watch that
documentary on the Crazy shimp owners.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Though, no, that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
The city manager's office did not immediately return a phone
call seeking comment. San Rafael is in Marin County, about
twenty miles north of San Francisco. So as if people
near San Francisco didn't have enough to worry about, now,
it's like, great, my bicycle stolen and I got bit
in the face by a goddamn squirrel. Yeah, well, when

(01:05:01):
we get back, we're going to talk about some UFO
hunters planning a bizarre event in Scotland. Right after this,
we're back and now we're heading over, well, heading back
to Scotland, because Scotland's got a lot of weird stuff

(01:05:23):
going on a lot of the time. Gotta admit. This
article is from the Scottish Sun dot co dot UK.
The headline is out of this world UFO hunters planned
bizarre event to summon alien spaceships to Scotland. So apparently
this is a I was skimming this and it's pretty weird.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I don't think it's that weird.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Well, the article starts with the Bonker's plan. We'll see
a team of paranormal investigators descend on the site of
Scotland's most famous UFO incident later this month. They will
try to make peaceful contact with extraterrestrials by using a
specialist technique developed by a famed US ufologist. The approach

(01:06:12):
involves meditate. The approach involves by meditating nice, nice Scottish
son that you guys invented English, do better with it.
The approach involves meditating in a field and playing sci
fi sound effects. This article is a little hateful. Yeah,
I'm used to the Mirror dot co dot uk saying like,

(01:06:34):
you know, like selling things like the terrifying plan involves
dressing like a French maid in a devious attempt to
stop the you know, like it's like they always sell
things hard. Malcolm Robinson, a Strange Phenomena of Strange Phenomena Investigations,
has high hopes the plan could work after participants saw
flashing lights during a trial run. Oh apparently they all

(01:07:00):
tried meditating and saw flashing lights in the sky. Yeah, sure,
he said. Quote we are trying to bring any off
world craft into our airspace. There is a desire to
bring forward these objects which people claim are to be
UFOs or UAPs UAPs. I hate that. Come on, why

(01:07:23):
because it's UFO.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
You don't like unidentified aerial phenomena?

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
No, I don't. Fine, it's a flying object and it's
not identified.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Okay, something it is not an object though sometimes it's
just a light or we don't know what it is.
So that's why we don't say object.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Okay, I'm still going to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
The meditation will send out a desire for open contact. Quote.
Oh sorry, the quote's still going. In the background. We
play these special sound effects which helped enhance the mood
but also the meditative process. It all sounds very airy fairy.
I get that, But this has been tried successfully all
over the world. Has it been tried successfully all over

(01:08:10):
the world? Where are all the major UFO encounters? Then?

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
I just saw on a show someone meditating to get
a UFO to come, Yeah, and it did.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
I guess you did air quotes? What do you mean
by it did?

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
It was on TV, so I don't know if it's real.
It was just on a like you know, one of
those shows where they look for things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
I mean, in general, in my experience, if it's on TV,
it's not real. Yeah, like if it was. It's a
little different nowadays with like camera phones, but I used
to always say, like, if it's on camera, it's almost
certainly not real. Which this is a terrible aside, but
it just made me think of it. Were you a
mad TV kid? I was a mad TV kid. Oh
my gosh. They were so great. They were so subversive.

(01:08:57):
They really spoke to me as like a teenager. I
just thought it was really funny. But they did a
thing about releasing, you know, the Subruder film of Kennedy
getting shot. They did a video talking about how they
were releasing a collection of all of the unreleased Subruder films,
all the unreleased Subruterer home movies, because obviously Subruder was

(01:09:17):
really into shooting home movies. That's why he was filming
at the parade that day. And they start showing like,
first we'll show Lisa's birthday party, and it's like it's
on eight millimeter film and everybody's looking all happy and
the girls like clapping, and then the dad brings out
the birthday cake with lit candles, and then the side
of his head just blows out and he falls down
and everybody runs and covers him in the camera, and
they basically do like a picnic, and somebody gets shot

(01:09:39):
and everybody runs and covers again. All of them are
the same.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
I'm sorry, but I remember that and it killed me.
I thought it was so funny. So I'm a bad person,
I guess, yeah, for liking mad TV. So it involves
sound effects too. Oh, it a name the CE five method,
known as the Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. Protocol

(01:10:06):
oh Okay was developed by doctor Stephen Greer, founder of
the Center for Study of the extra of Extraterrestrial Intelligence.
The alien enthusiasts will attempt to communicate using telepathy and
guided meditations, which followers believe will help guide UFOs to
the spot at the Decmont Woods near Livingston later this month. Yeah,

(01:10:29):
So I just want to say, I think I've used
this example before, but one of my favorite things to
point out is like when you start combining multiple things
like meditation, astral projection, and telepathy, you start saying like
we're gonna use those to catch aliens. It's like saying
like I'm gonna catch a lockedest monster because if I'm
riding on the back of a unicorn, there's no way

(01:10:50):
it can it could escape me. You know, Like, Yeah,
you're using things that are also unproven to prove something
that's unproven.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Yeah, but then maybe that makes sense because it's all
in the same gray area and maybe it's all real.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
I mean, it would be cool if it worked, because
it would prove a lot all at once.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Yeah, Actually, it wouldn't prove anything that's true because the
aliens could have just been there, or they could have
heard the music and been like, what's that so like?
Basically proves nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Plus, as in the words of Sarah Connor in an
Insane World, it was. It was the most sane solution.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
The site is famous for a nineteen seventy nine incident
during which forestry worker Bob Taylor reportedly had an encounter
with a spacecraft. He reputedly saw mysterious dome shaped objects
landing in a clearing. According to the teetotal church goer,
metal spikes then dropped down and attached themselves to his trousers.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Oh this is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Getting sexy quick. He later woke in a disheveled state
before going to the cops. Baffled, investigators were unable to
establish what caused unusual marks seen on the ground, but
detectives bagged up Bob's torn trousers as they probed whether
he had been assaulted. The respected war hero continued to

(01:12:10):
maintain he had been attacked by a quote spaceship thing
until his death at age eighty eight in two thousand
and seven. Mister Robinson Hope's investigators will be able to
try to attract aliens back to the site with their
meditation later this month.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Whoa we well, hold on for a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So we're using this location because there was another UFO
sighting that was literally a guy getting assaulted. That's terrible,
it's a terrible idea. Don't do that. We don't want it.
That's not the kind of alien that you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Want, right, What kind of alien do you want?

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
I didn't think it was one that like assaulted people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Maybe this is what they want. Maybe I am just
totally confused.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Did you think for a second, maybe the alien or
aliens we're just having a really bad day that one time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
I mean, I get it, things happen when you're having
a bad day and you're an alien, but it's not nice,
and I wouldn't want to try again and find out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Well, like we just read that story. Are you now
afraid of squirrels in general? Because of that story of
one squirrel being awful?

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
It's not the same thing?

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
How how is it? I feel like it's literally the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
So, like, so there's a squirrel that's real bad, right, Right,
there are a lot of attacks, So do you decide
to go to the area of the attacks to communicate
with squirrels.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Like, well, it's San Francisco area. It's it's so San Rafael,
so it's kind of a nice area. So maybe the
weather's always nice.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
No, I mean, but just to communicate with the squirrels,
like you're like, I think a really good place is
where the squirrel attacks happened. Seems like a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
Okay, No, I could see that, but I think maybe
you just don't have enough sense of adventure.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Yeah. No, maybe they're into things that I'm just not into.
It's possible.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
A trial run has already taken place on the outskirts
of bonnie Bridge near Falkirk, which is considered one of
the UFO the world's UFO capitals. Mister Robinson said quote,
some people did see some bright flashes in the sky.
They came from various parts of the sky. We don't
know what that was. It could have been anything. But
the only reason I'm not singing and dancing about it

(01:14:32):
is there may have been a natural explanation. We previously
told investigators, or we previously told how investigators have demanded
a public inquiry in Scotland into the existence of UFOs.
The alien enthusiasts believe any evidence of sightings should be
made public and heard in front of a parliamentary committee.

(01:14:54):
It's a cover up. They're covering up their haunted roads
and they're covering up the UFOs.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
But speaking of cover ups, we're gonna talk about some
uncovered mummies found in China and Southeast Asia right after this.

(01:15:20):
All right, So, cell it looks like, well, first of all,
when it comes to movie monsters, what's the one you
find scariest? Like Dracula, the Wolfman, Frankenstein, the Mummy, the
Invisible Man? What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
I didn't know I found once? I don't really find them?

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Oh my, Why are you always such an absolute chat
about everything? You're just like, I'm not even scared of nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Yeah, that's you don't know. How about some sort of vampire.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Saying okay, vampire thing? Okay, jeez, okay, fine. Well, this
is a true story about mummies, but they're a little
bit different. This is from LiveScience dot com. World's oldest
mummies were smoke dried ten thousand years ago in China
and Southeast Asia. Researchers find that's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Such a good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
What makes you say that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Well, I mean, that's a good way to dry them like,
smoke them like that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Seem just a sound. I'm very worried about you. We're
all very worried about you. Cell Oh, I'm just saying
I feel like they used to just let them dry
on their own. They didn't smoke them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
But the thing is, if you don't let them dry
on their own, it might not work, you know, like
they might just rot instead of drying. You'd have to
do like a good special process so that they dry
out correctly. I just think smoking is a good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Good to know the world's oldest known human mummies were
created by smoke drying corpses ten thousand years ago in
Southeast as Asia and China, long before mummification became commonplace
in Chile and Egypt. Oh wow, I didn't know Chile
even has mummies. I told you. Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
A study of dozens of ancient graves found in China,
the Philippines, Laos, Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia revealed that many
skeletons that were found in a tight fetal possession position
were treated by an extended period of smoke drying over
fire before being buried.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
What I said, Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
You like the weirdest things.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
It's just so interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Quote excuse me sorry. Quote. Smoking likely carried spiritual, religious,
or cultural meanings that went far beyond simply slowing decay.
I don't know how to say that name. It's sh
Io Shao chun Hung. That might be right, actually, Chao

(01:18:05):
Chun Hung, a senior research fellow at the Australian National
University and lead author of the study, told Live Science
in an email. The researchers have been puzzled by the
high number of burials in China and Southeast Asia for
from four thousand to twelve thousand years ago, in which
skeletons were hyper flexed or contorted in an unnaturally tight

(01:18:29):
crouched position. That is kind of weird. Do you want
to see a picture? Sure of course you do. You're like, yes,
show me the death, Show me the death. So that's
one of the smokes skeletons. He isn't like a really
weird crouched.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Position, really weird position. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Yeah, that's super super strange. I mean as strange as
you know, smoke drying corpses. Ugh, oh god, there's more
or contorted. A similar skeleton found in Portugal in twenty
twenty two was interpreted as evidence of mummification because it

(01:19:08):
was hyperflexed.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Hm.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Okay, so my people got in on it. That's fine.
Likely bound up so the arms and legs could be
moved beyond their natural limits as the body decomposed.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Gross.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Yeah. But in many of the ancient Southeast Asian burials,
the researchers found there was evidence of burning on the
skeletons and not in the graves, which suggested some sort
of ritual treatment of the body that included fire and smoke.
The researchers used X ray diffraction and non destructive technique
that allows scientists to investigate the internal microstructure of a material,

(01:19:45):
and infrared spectroscopist almost said everything without fucking up spectroscopy
to assess whether the bones had been exposed to heat.
Many of the skeletons revealed evidence of low intensity heating
and discoloration from soot, rather than evidence of direct combustion
such as cremation.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Huh, it's so cool that we know that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
And you're so happy about it. That's the best part.
This suggests that a specialized mortuary practice involving the smoking
of a corpse was likely practiced widely in pre farming
communities across southern China and Southeast Asia. I think what's
really interesting is that apparently there's no record of that too, Like,
it's just it's amazing how things can just be completely forgotten.

(01:20:27):
Yeah yeah, but here here's a smoked corpse for hl.
That that's fine. Oh okay, he's really blackened. That's definitely
Cajun style.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Yeah yeah, oh wait what smoke?

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Dried mummies are still being made today in parts of
Southeast Asia, according to the researchers.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Okay, so they do still do it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
They traveled to Papau A province in Indonesia in twenty
nineteen and observed the Dani and Pumo people creating mummies
of their deceased ancestors by tightly binding the corpses, setting
them over a fire, and smoking them until they turned
entirely black or as I would say, Cajun style. Drawing

(01:21:13):
on these examples, the researchers concluded that ancient individuals were
tightly bound after death and smoked for long periods over
low temperature fires. It literally sounds like making like smoked sausage.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Although the deceased individuals, the researchers investigated in their study
are only bones with no skin, soft tissue, or hair preserved.
They consider the remains to be mummies because they were
deliberately mummified through smoke drying.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Yeah, and I guess in that case, depending on how
they're buried, it's still not going to last up or
not last forever their flesh and things.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Nothing lasts forever.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
A friend of mine said something like that, made a
big long post and said like, just remember, nothing last forever.
And I replied, tell that to gravity, ha I win. Quote.
The key difference from the mummies we typically imagine is
that these ancient smoked bodies were not sealed in containers
after the process, and therefore their preservation generally lasted only

(01:22:14):
a few decades to a few hundred years. Hung said,
only a few hundred years, punks. In the hot and
humid climate of Southeast Asia, smoking was likely the most
effective way of preserving the bodies. That makes sense. Yeah,
But how these ancient hunter gatherers discovered that smoking a

(01:22:35):
human body could preserve it quote remains a fascinating and
thought provoking mystery. Hung said, and quote, we cannot say
with certainty whether smoking the body was first conceived as
a way to preserve it. We're making some real cannibalism
inferences here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Well, I mean how they discovered it. I would think
it would be like a food thing, you know, and
then they'd be like, oh, we could do this with bodies,
and then they'd be like, oh, they taste pretty good,
and then they'd be like, we'd also bury them.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Though, this is where it gets into pure cope. It's
possible that ancient people discovered smoking accidentally as a byproduct
of some kind of ritual practice, or that they discovered
smoking animal meat first then applied it to dead humans.
That's just what I say, wink wink quote. What is
clear is that the practice prolonged the visible presence of

(01:23:29):
the deceased, allowing ancestors to remain among the living in
a tangible way, a poignant reflection of enduring human love, memory,
and devotion. Also delicious Hung said, I might have added
one of those things in there. So there you go.
Michelle likes her corpse's mesquite And we're going to take

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a quick break with a little bit more spooky news
before we get to our big topic right after this.
All right, we're back, and this is a story from
the Associated Press. I always find these stories really creepy
and fun. I don't know. A Bangkok road collapse creates

(01:24:14):
a sinkhole, disrupting traffic and prompting evacuations. I find sinkholes
really scary.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Sinkholes are kind of scary. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Oh yeah, you're finally afraid of something. Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Yeah, I'm scared of sinkholes. There's ale in my neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Did I know about this?

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
I feel like I told you. I thought I told everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
No you did because I made a joke about going
to hell.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Oh, I don't even I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Which is pretty much what I always say about a sinkhole.
But I'll tell you something right now, Shelley, You're about
to be jealous, because this sinkhole is massive.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Yeah, that's like there's a pickup truck in the middle
of it, and it looks like there's barely like it's
teeny tiny.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Yeah you can tell. I mean by the way that
the construction around it and stuff. This is a person
fuck up, like because somebody fucked up and put stuff
in there they shouldn't put in there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Oh, like like jello packets or something.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Well, I mean it could have been like where you
grew up, where they just threw remnants of carpet and
tree trunks and everything they could find, and then it
became a sinkhole. Multiple sinkholes everywhere show off.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
A part of a road in Bangkok collapsed Wednesday, leaving
a large sinkhole that disrupted traffic, damaged infrastructure, and prompted
evacuations in the surrounding area. There were no casualties, but
three vehicles were damaged by the collapse in Thailand's capital, Bangkok,
City Governor Chadhart City Punt said, adding that officials believe

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the collapse was caused by construction work at an underground
train station. M M, that's less fun.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
But okay, yeah, it's barely a sinkhole. Then if it's
just they fucked.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Up something, Wow, you're ag grow today. Shell. People love
spicy Michelle. They always comment when you're angry that they
love it. So I'm just saying. Videos of the collapse
showed the face of the road slowly sinking, pulling down
several electricity poles and damaging water pipes. Cars tried to

(01:26:18):
back away as the hole grew larger and completely severed
the four lane road. One edge of the hole stopped
in front of a police station, exposing it its underground structure.
People were evacuated from the police station and other buildings.
The nearby hospitals said it would close the outpatient's services
for two days, although Bangkok City officials said the hospital
structure was not affected. Officials cut electricity and water in

(01:26:42):
the area as a precaution. Chad Chart said crews were
working to fix the hole as quickly as possible, fearing
heavy rain could cause further damage. Bangkok is experiencing its
rainy season, which typically extends from May through October. Damn
not a great I'm to be in Bangkok. I don't think. No.

(01:27:03):
So well, we have another short one that I wanted
to talk about from the Huffington Post. Wow, talking about
the fear of wild animals. I think this is actually
pretty prudent. Yeah, have you ever have you ever been
as a homeowner or or just as an adult, have
you ever been ding dong ditched? It's a lot of thought.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Okay, yeah, no, I don't know. I don't I don't
think so.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
Would it creep you out if somebody rang your doorbell
at like one in the morning and then there was
nobody there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
It would definitely creep me out if somebody rang my
doorbell at one in the morning, regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
So yeah, would you go down and answer it?

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
I answered once at like twelve, maybe a little bit
earlier than that. It was my neighbor and they had
got a package. That was my package.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
They must work late, or they were just like, this
is the time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I think they were just like, let's just wait until
she's definitely still a way because her lights are on,
but she's absolutely absolutely asleep on the couch. Yeah, then
we can go ring her doorbell.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
There we go. Well, this is a different spin. The
headline from huff Post is late night doorbell prank mystery
solved with a very strange twist.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
I think I know what it is, but we'll say.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Residents had an apartment block in Schwabach, southern Germany. You
think I hate you. I believe late night pranksters were
to blame for their doorbells buzzing NonStop, but when police arrived,
they found a much slimier source of the annoyance, reported
multiple media outlets. It turned out that a small slug

(01:28:50):
look on your face is great. A small slug had
been sliding up and down the bell plate and repeatedly
triggering the sensors. Yeah, that'll do it. This snale hates
people too, and that's why it's doing it. It's like,
no sleep, you can't sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
No, I wanted to meet some of them.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
I feel like you're trying to you're over correcting. Now
you're like, no, no, it's fine. Animals are nice. They
like people.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Yeah, really good.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
So oh okay, I get that. After initially coming up
short in their investigation, police officers eventually caught the mischievous
mollusk in the act. It was quote brought down to size,
taught about its territory boundaries, and placed on a nearby
stretch of grass. Police sawce. I like, how they treat
this slug better than they treat people who post memes

(01:29:40):
criticizing their government. Germany acting like Germany anyway. It's It's
not the first time a slug has sparked such confusion.
Back in twenty twenty one, a woman in Essex, England,
was woken in the night by her doorbell ringing. She
discovered it was triggered by a slug.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Huh apparently they just do this.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Huh, well, it makes sense. I mean they would they
can activate things that you know, you would need like
a finger to touch because it's warm, so makes sense
the slug could do that and they'd crawl over stuff
that's like their favorite thing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
Since they stick, they can just go anywhere they want. Yeah,
must be nice. Yeah, lucky quote. I was a bit
freaked out first, and then when I played it back,
I started laughing. Leanne Jennings recalled at the time when
I showed my friends, they were a bit freaked out.
They gave me the kind of look they thought, like

(01:30:37):
they thought there was a ghost or an alien or something.
I mean they're alien like m I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
We don't know what aliens are like.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
But yeah, well you seem to think that they all
are just like violent offenders.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Well just the ones that seem to have a history
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Wow. Wow, wow wow.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
I'm not going to take it back.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Oh okay, you know I respect that. I respect that.
For now, we're going to take a quick break, and
when we get back, we're going to dive into this
Library of Congress article about the origins of Halloween traditions
to help you, the listener, get into the weekly into
the spooky. Sorry, vibe. That's our whole thing is making

(01:31:28):
sure spooky season is as fun as humanly possible, and
we'll be getting to that right after this. All right, Shelle,
we're back, and we're taking a look at this Library
of Congress article about the origins of Halloween traditions. Because

(01:31:52):
I don't know about you. I know we talk about
Halloween a lot over the last few years on the
show and in their friendship in general. But I've always
loved Halloween, and I think that what started it for
me with the TV specials. Yeah, like when TGIF would
be all scary episodes, that was like the best thing ever.

(01:32:12):
And then I remember, like one year we had a
scholastic book fair at my elementary school, like in October,
right before it or somewhere in that neighborhood, and I
bought my first Garfield book and it was Garfield in Disguise,
which is the Garfield Halloween story. And ever since then,

(01:32:33):
I was always like, really really really into Halloween. And
of course at trigger treating getting candies all awesome too.
But I just love the vibe. I love the sense
that everybody's a little bit more fun and spooky, especially
as somebody who like I love spooky stuff all year round,
obviously because I, you know, dedicate so much of my

(01:32:53):
time every single week to bringing spooky stuff out for people.
So the idea that everybody's kind of on the fun
is really cool. I guess this is This must be
how alcoholics feel on New Year's Eve. Maybe they're like,
finally I get everybody gets me. Yeah, but yeah, that's
that's kind of how I feel when it comes to Halloween.

(01:33:14):
What about you? Do you remember any like really fond
memories of early memories of Halloween?

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Fair?

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
I mean yeah, I mean I one year it rained
really hard. I remember that I was I was a
win as a witch. Oh had lots of green paint
on me and.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Should have used grease paint, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
But I didn't because I was five.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
My favorite was the year it snowed heavily, like two
days before Halloween. We had like serious snow on the ground,
and I was so mad because Mom made me wear
a jacket over my ninja outfit.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Ye sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
There's nothing worse than that, Yeah, other than being a
kid and finding the perfect mask and realizing it can't
fit you. Oh, you know, you put it on and
it's like I could see through the nose hoole. It's
like you're not going around the neighborhood looking through the
note hole all night. They're like, ah beans. So anyway,

(01:34:17):
I just love Halloween. It's also why I think I
love and I think a lot of people love horror
movie hosts, which is worth mentioning because I did get
inducted into the Horror Host Hall of Fame like a
few weeks ago, But is because a lot of those
horror hosts in the early days especially were like newsmen
and broadcasters putting on fright wigs and grease paint and

(01:34:39):
vampire fangs and acting goofy to introduce these movies and
try to make basically trying to make each other laugh
in the studio. I think there's a lot of charm
to that because these are like, especially if you think
of like the sixties and seventies, broadcast people were like
the most adult people there were, you know, Walter Cronkite
and stuff like it just you know, hello and welcome

(01:34:59):
to the new of Pittsburgh. And then it's like one
of my favorites is Bill Cardile, who went by Chili
Billy on Pittsburgh on Pittsburgh Chiller Theater. He didn't do anything,
he didn't put makeup on or anything. He was just
so people just loved him. He would just be funnier,
you know, because he would like literally you could watch

(01:35:22):
the Pittsburgh news channels and he would do on the
street reports, he would do the pro wrestling live like
sports segments and stuff, and then he hosted horror movies
on Saturday nights. Okay, but a lot of people, and
this is something really interesting, and I'll get back on topic,
a lot of people you had to work a lot
of jobs to maintain your gig. There, a lot of

(01:35:44):
people ended up doing nightly news stuff and then to
supplement at the same station. They would not only then
do a horror host other character, they would also portray
Bozo the Clown. Oh, because for a long period of
time there was a Bosa the Clown in most major territories.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
That's terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
My friend Dick Daizelle, he was a newsman who portrayed
Count Gore Deval in Washington, d C. And Baltimore, and
he was also Bosa the Clown. Yeah, so anyway, I
just love stuff like that. But yeah, my point is
that like that was the best because it was like,
you got to see adults dressing in their Halloween costumes.

(01:36:29):
And that's what makes Halloween specials fun too, is they're
usually adults dressing up in Halloween costumes. Yeah, so back
to the article from the Library of Congress. Carving pumpkins,
tricker treating, and wearing scary costumes are some of the
time honored traditions of Halloween. Yet, Halloween, the holiday has
its roots in the ancient Celtic festival of Soween or

(01:36:51):
sam Hayne, depending on how you want to say it.
Soween is the Gaelic pronunciation a pig and religious celebration
to welcome the harvest at the end of summer, when
people would light bonfires and wear costumes to ward off ghosts.
In the eighth century, Pope Gregory the third designated November
first as a time to honor Saints. Soon after, All

(01:37:14):
Saints Day came to incorporate some of the traditions of Salwyn.
The evening before All Saints Day was known as All
Hallows Eve and later Halloween. Here's a look at the
origins of some of the classic Halloween traditions we know today.
Carving jack o' lanterns. You love carving jacke lanterns, don't you.

(01:37:37):
I mean, because I've carved them with you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
The only hard part is, like I get so excited.
I finally cut back on this. I used to get
so excited with carve jack lanterns, like the moment they
had pumpkins for sale.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Yeah, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Yeah, they'd be I mean, unless you're having a really
and I mean really cold October, they're going to rot
substantially quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
Yeah, I have had a few years where like one
put up in the middle of October because it's like
not getting above fifty. It don't get too bad. They're
still gonna rod a little bit. You. It helps if
you spray the inside with bleach, with a bleach bleach
and waters, it makes it decay slower. Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
You should just smoke it like.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Solid callback, solid callback. The tradition of carving jack o
lanterns originated in Ireland using turnips instead of pumpkins. Have
you ever thought about carving a turn up just to see?

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
It would probably be super annoying because they're they're really
solid on the inside and also they're not very big.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
No, no, that sounds like so much work. Yeah, like
an incredible amount of work. But apparently they look really creepy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
It is allegedly based on a legend about a man
named Stingy Jack, who repeatedly trapped the devil and only
let him go on the condition that Jack would never
go to hell. Well, but when Jack died, he learned
that heaven did not want his soul either, so he
was forced to wander the earth as a ghost for eternity.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
I mean that sounds okay to me. It's sure you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
Want to wander the earth as a ghost for eternity?

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Like yeah, I mean depends on what's on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
The devil gave Jack a burning lump of coal in
a carved out turnip to light his way. What do
you think The devil just did like a bunch of
like mescaline and acid and carved a turn up. I
was like, whoa. And then when he came to you,
He's like, uh, here you go light your way with this, bro.
Locals eventually began carving scary faces into their own turnips

(01:39:46):
to frighten away evil spirits. And speaking of spirits, this
next Halloween, tradition is all about seeing ghosts, and we'll
talk about it. Right after this, the Festival of sam

(01:40:06):
Hayne marked the transition to the new year at the
end of the harvest and beginning of the winter. Celtic
people believed that during the festival, spirits walked the earth.
Later on, Christian missionaries introduced All Souls Day on November two,
which perpetuated the idea of the living coming into contact

(01:40:26):
with the dead around the same time of the year.
So another tradition is seeing ghosts. Mm hmm, what why
are you making that face?

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
No, I don't know, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Another tradition wearing scary costumes, which, by the way, have
you looked at like old timey Halloween costumes. They're mortifying.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Yeah, they're really upset. And yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
There was this whole era where it was perfectly acceptable
to wear a full face mask of a thing, and
no matter how terrifying it looked, they'd be like, yeah,
that's Santa Claus. It's like, no, that's a fake face
with rosy cheeks and a beard. Yeah that's Santa No,
that looks horrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
Noah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
In order to avoid being terrorized by all the evil spirits,
walking the earth during Sowyn the Celt's Dawn disguises in
order to confuse the spirits and be left alone. That's
one of my favorite Halloween lores is that the costume
is what keeps you safe. In some of the versions,
the costume is just so that they don't know who

(01:41:33):
you are. Yeah, you know, because the spirits are specific.
And then in later ones that were a little bit
nicer about the idea of souls coming back, instead of saying, like,
you know, your grandpa's coming to whoop your ass because
like you sold the farm, then it became that you're
dressing up to blend in with all the spirits and
scary things, which is the cuter kid version. But yeah,

(01:41:56):
originally it was like dressed like somebody else because your
dead dad might come and freaking kill you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Yeah awkwards. Yeah, and he's not going to know if
you dress weird because he's not that smart.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
No, he's not that smart.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
Next up is trick or treating?

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
Have you been getting better trigger treaters lately? Do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Okay? I do, I do, find but I have been
a doing okay since I moved, so yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
Remember handed candy out with you that one time they
were almost none. I feel like that was in Lansdowne.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, I was sorry. I was thinking about
the other person who handed candy out with me last year,
who was my dad?

Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
So yeah that was your dad.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Yeah but no, Yeah in Lansdown there was like nobody
because it's dangerous, and then their kids going all the.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
Way and now it's becoming hip.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
I'm so upset.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
Michelle's old hometown is becoming at a home. Well, it
was your hometown, your home was there, Yeah, is becoming
hip and cool. When it was a cess pool of
scariness for a while, it was like it wasn't the
worst place. I don't want to oversell it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Well it's it's it's not also not fair because like
it's not a large town, but it's very different in
different areas.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
So the place that's becoming hip was never dangerous or bad,
it just wasn't hip. So I don't know how far
south the hip is going, you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
Know, Yeah, maybe one day we'll know. But uh, my neighborhood,
it seems like every year we're getting even more trigger treaters.
And we had bad weather two years in a row,
and still had a lot of kids. So I'm hoping
this year will have clear skies, no rain at all,
and no and I can and I can just help
these kids with handfuls of candy. That's like what I
want to do. My favorite thing is when a kid's

(01:43:41):
too afraid to come up and take their candy, so
I have to give it to another kid to give
to them, knowing that they'll just eat it themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
But uh. There is much debate around the origins of
trick or treating, but generally there are three theories. The
first theory suggests that sand salweing Celtic people would that
on sowing, Celtic people would leave food out to appease
the spirits traveling to the earth at night. Over time,
people began to dress as these unearthly beings in exchange

(01:44:12):
for similar offerings of food and drink. That's an interesting
thing to think about too, because having a meal for
somebody to not be eaten for somebody who's dead is
a very long standing tradition. Also, wassaul, you know wassail
from Christmas time. It's a kind of a similar thing.

(01:44:32):
You make it to appease the spirits. But also like
people come around singing and you give it to them.
The second theory speculates that the candy boon stems from
the Scottish practice of guysing, which is a secular version
of souling. During the Middle Ages, generally children and poor

(01:44:53):
adults would collect food and money from local homes in
return for prayers for the dead on Soul's Day. It's
almost like a sin eater, but not quite. I guess
I don't know about sas No. Really, Yes, there was
a time in old like I think it was Scotland
or Ireland, when people like derelicts and poor people and

(01:45:17):
mentally ill people would take jobs as what we're called
sin eaters. Oh man, I need to do a terrifying
and true on sin eating and this is a real thing.
You would pay them in money to eat a meal
off of the corps's chest in their viewing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
And the idea was that the sin that the person
committed in their life would be in the food, and
by eating it, the sin eater takes all the sin
on themselves for a fee. So basically they're like a surrogate.
They'll take all the punishment for the sin when they
die one day it's a really old, eerie thing. But

(01:45:57):
sin Eaters, Yeah, dude, I can't. You've never heard about
sin Eaters. That's wild. Yeah, it's really creepy. It's a
really creepy thing. Yeah, I'm gonna totally I gotta put
sin Eaters on the Terrifying and True list because that
would be one to do a deep dive about.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
Oh, that's a perfect one. Oh a spoiler for anybody
who's been you know, kind enough to listen so far
in I'll give you a hint. In a December, I'm
doing a terrifying and true that's a deep dive on
how friggin dangerous Christmas was in the Victorian era. How
like all the lights and stuff caused constant like fires
to break out, and toys were killing people. It's like

(01:46:36):
all of the dangers of a Victorian Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
I'm really excited about that one. So I thought i'd
spill the beans a little bit. So Geysers dropped the
prayers in favor of non religious practices with the inclusions
of songs, jokes, and other tricks.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
A third theory argues that modern American trick or treating
treating stems from bell Snickeling, a German American Christmas tradition
where children would dress up in costume and then call
on their neighbors to see if the adults could guess
the identities of the disguised. I've heard of that, not
that name, but I've heard of the thing where like

(01:47:16):
the game is figuring out who the kid is in
the costume. In one version of the practice, the children
were rewarded with food or other treats if no one
could identify them, but in another version, they were killed.
You were going to say that I knew you thought that. Wow. Look, oh,
hold on shell, look at these nineteen sixty two kids

(01:47:36):
in their Halloween costumes.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
That's terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
Yeah, look at that one. Oh those are cute actually,
but look at that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
Their masks are so weird and off.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
Yeah, hoe made costumes are so scary.

Speaker 2 (01:47:49):
Yeah, that's what I should.

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
Do for Halloween. Every year I struggled with, like, what
am I gonna do because I want to be scary
to scare the kids. Last year I did a Psycho Santa,
which I thought was awesome, But I should do like
just a really scary homemade looking costume with like a
stitched like a sack over my head or something that's
so much work, and Michelle, will you make it for

(01:48:12):
me please? I'll pay shipping. No, damn it, I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
It would work free.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
Well. Oh, I almost missed that. I was about to
start the next thing. Oh that turned into wholesome content.
Thank you. When we get back, we're going to talk
a little bit about cats, black and orange and bobbing
for apples right after this. Shelle, you've offered a lot

(01:48:47):
of challenging opinions this month, which I appreciate. I do,
so I have to ask, how do you feel about
black cats?

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
They're okay?

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
I like I wish they had patterns on them because
I just think patterns are cool.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
Have you never seen a black cat where like, if
you look really close, they actually have like a little pattern,
because they do. There are ones that have like they
look kind of like you know that, I don't know what.
I don't know anything about cats. You know how they
have that like kind of tiger striping or whatever. I've
seen somewhere they have like a very very light or
very dark gray pattern.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Oh, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
It's very cool. And you only can tell when you
like really look. Well. The idea of being spooked by
black cats, which is another classic Halloween tradition, dates back
to the Middle Ages. Oh, I didn't know this when
these dark felines were considered a symbol of the devil.
I did know that. It didn't help that centuries later,

(01:49:48):
accused witches were often found to have cats, particularly black ones.
Oh so they were just lonely women.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Yeah. When they just happened to have cats that were black.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
Yeah, x, people began to believe that the cats were
the witches familiar supernatural entities that would assist in their
practice of dark magic, and black cats and spookiness have
been linked ever since. Okay, so this is one I've
never I've never really gotten an explanation for black and orange.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Yeah, I'm interested.

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
The traditional Halloween colors of black and orange also traces
back to the Celtic festival of Sowyn. For the Celts,
black represented the death of summer, while orange symbolized the
autumn harvest. Okay, that makes so much sense. That almost
pisses me off because that like makes perfect sense. Like

(01:50:48):
I'm like, oh duh, everything about that makes perfect sense. Yeah,
here's your favorite shell and one of the earliest Halloween.
You know that. You know, Halloween at first was Halloween
Halloween and then upostery Een Halloween. That really yeah, that
was in the early days, because Halloween, as we see
it is really pretty new, like nineteen thirties, nineteen forties,

(01:51:11):
maybe maybe twenties. Bobbing for apples? What's gross about bobbing
for apples?

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
Everything there's apples and then you have you don't like apples, No,
they're okay. I just don't like you have to put
your head in a water that's with other people's just your.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
Face, not your whole head. I mean, I guess if
you want to really do it, Yeah, you gotta go
all in.

Speaker 2 (01:51:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
Did you ever bob for apples when you were kid?
They didn't do that? You're like, like, what, I don't
know your temple or your church or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
No, I mean, honestly, now that I think about it,
I might have bobbed for apples.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
Ah, yeah, knew it. See the church I went to,
which is funny because they were very when I was
very young, which I went to, they were very strict
and very like, you know, strict is really the best word.
They were very like if you made jokes and church.
They were like quiet you and stuff, but they loved Halloween.
They like went all out on Halloween.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
So I bobbed for apples a ton. I could never
catch a damn apple. It's really hard to get an apple, yeah,
unless it's like really small, but you're a child, so
your mouth is small. It's really hard. The game of
bobbing for apples has been a staple at Halloween parties
for many years, but its origins are more rooted in
love and romance. We did notice when we did a

(01:52:33):
deep dive on Halloween on a Halloween like guidebook on
how to have a Halloween party, which tells you how
new Halloween was, that people needed like guidance of how
to have Halloween party. But they like most of the
party games, which I have a theory, by the way,
but most of the party games were about like figuring
out who you would marry someday or like pairing off,

(01:52:54):
because well it was for young adults. That was the
whole argument. So it was like for people who are
like eighteen to twenty five and single, you go to
a Halloween party and try to make, you know, make
a lover. Yep, yep, I do have a theory if
you look at the way they celebrated Halloween back in
the day versus now. Sometimes I think that's where a
lot of like the really like scared, like church ladies

(01:53:17):
who go like it's satanic. It's like, when you look
back at how they celebrate Halloween, it was like seances
and like summonings. It's not that way now. People don't
really do that stuff at all. It's all horror movies
and candy and you know, pizzas shaped like pumpkins. Oh,
I love the pizza shaped like a pumpkin. I'm so
excited for Halloween, even though it's the most exhausting time

(01:53:39):
of year for me. I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
Shell, I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
Oh I am, I am. I'm excited. I'm going to
go to as many haunts as I can as I
can try to do. Yeah, last year I went to
a ton of haunts and I had an amazing time.
So and I'll report all the haunts I go to
when we do Monthly Spooky at the end of October.
The game traces back to a courting ritual that was
part of a Roman festival honoring Pomona, the goddess of

(01:54:07):
agriculture and abundance. While multiple versions existed, the gist was
that young men and women would be able to predict
their future relationships based on the game. When the Romans
conquered the British Isles in forty three AD, the Pomona
Festival blended with the similarly time Sowyn, a precursor to Halloween. Okay, ooh, pranking,

(01:54:32):
because of course, trick or treat m h starts with
trick or treat playing. Pranks often varies by region, but
the pre Halloween tradition known as Devil's Knight is credited
to a different origin depending on the source. Some say
that pranks started as part of a May Day celebration,

(01:54:53):
but Soween and eventually all Soul's Day also included good
natured mischief. When Irish and Scottish immig and came to America,
they brought with them the tradition of celebrating Mischief Night
as part of Halloween. So what you're saying is they
were a bunch of like vandals, And what we're saying
is those Irish and Scottish immigrants were horrible now lighting

(01:55:21):
candles and bonfires, Okay, for much of the early history
of Halloween, towering bonfires were used to light the way
for souls seeking the afterlife. These days, lighting candles have
generally been replaced have generally replaced the large traditional blazes.
That makes us I don't know anybody who's having a

(01:55:42):
big bonfire for Halloween, if I'm honest.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
My neighbors do really yeah, I mean not a huge
on fire, but they have in their front yard. They
just sit around and they have a little fire candy.

Speaker 1 (01:55:57):
Yeah that's so nice. I like that. That's super nice.
You should do You ever go out there and say
hi to them while they're doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
I did one year. I sat with them, But like
I gotta be here because I gotta do the things.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Oh yeah, yeah. It's just I always like if I
notice my neighbors, because a lot of my neighbors with
an eyeshot aren't doing much for Halloween, Like they're maybe
handing out candy at best. So whenever I have a
neighbor who's like sitting out and like putting an effort,
I like to like swing by and like sneak them
like and like make them take a piece of candy
or something for me, just because it's like, hey, I
couldn't help. But notice, like you don't have any milky
ways that you like milky ways, right, you know, like

(01:56:30):
just I don't know. I just love Halloween so much. Ah,
you'd never guessed by the six fucking years I've put
into the show. Right, Okay, we're getting close to the
end of the list, So when we get back, we're
gonna talk about the strange, haunted, evil origins of candied

(01:56:53):
apples right after this, well, before you crap all over
people enjoying their candied apples. Cell For centuries, people have
been coating fruit in syrup as a means of preservation,

(01:57:13):
but during the Roman festival of Pomona, the goddess was
often represented by and associated with apples. Her name derives
from the Latin word for apple, palmum, and the fruit
is at the heart of the harvest celebrations. I do love.
Have you ever made a baked apple?

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:57:30):
Those are so good?

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
They are good.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
Can I give you a tip?

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
I made a baked So do you core the apple
and like put stuff in it? I once did it,
but I stuffed it with candy corn. Oh my god,
it was awesome. Wow, it was so good. Dude, cannot
recommend it enough.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
It sounds really sweet, though.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
Well, the trick is you can't fit that many candy
corn in yeah, so it's actually not because you're not.
You're probably getting like what four or five pieces in
there tops and then it turns into a wonderful goo.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
I highly recommend it. Okay, because whether you love or
hate candy corn, you like candy corn, right, I mean,
you're not like in love with the but you don't
you don't have like some people are just like ah
about candy corny. I love candy corn, I really do.
And it goes great with cigars, which was like one
of the big turning points of me saying like, yeah,
I like cigars because I could sit there puffing and
having one piece of candy corn every like three or

(01:58:30):
four minutes, and then puff and have another piece of
candycorn at the end of the day. They really taste
like marshmallow and honey, which are pretty friggin pleasant. That's all.
That's my whole point is like they're actually a really
pleasant flavor and that's why they're great on like a
candied apple or like a baked apple rather Okay, So
highly recommend trying that. Just put a couple in that

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core instead and bake it. Okay, so I lost my place.
It is believed that candy apples. Oh yeah, this is
the dark. This is the dark history side of candied apples.
Candied apples were invented accidentally in nineteen oh eight by
William W. Colb, a candy maker in Newark, New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
Oh no, cut up.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
That's why I did the whole build up as I
saw it, said, New Jersey. And the thing, as the
story goes cold was experimenting with red cinnamon candy to
sell at Christmas time, and he dipped the apples on
sticks into the red glaze and put them in his
shop window to showcase his new candy. Oh well, it
was like to say, like, look how nice this this
hard candy cinnamon candy is. Like I put it on

(01:59:39):
an apple. Man, I've never had a candied apple with
cinnamon glaze. That'd be awesome. Yeah, yeah, that'd be so
good because apple and cinnamon match made in heaven. Are
you a red apple or a green apple person?

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
I'm a red apple person.

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
I know, I just wanted to hate you again all over.
I'm a green apple person. A thousand. I know it's weird,
worst case golden delicious, but I prefer green Lahla. But
instead of selling the candies, he ended up selling the
apples to customers who thought they looked good enough to eat.

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They became fashionable treats for Halloween starting in the early
nineteen hundreds, and they remained popular up until the nineteen seventies. Wow,
candied apples fell by the wayside in part, I believe
due to the caramel apple.

Speaker 2 (02:00:31):
I would agree. I like caramel apples better than candy apple.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
I do too. You're not as worried about breaking a tooth.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
Mm hmm, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
And they're easier to make, like if you want to
make them at home and not just buy them, because
they'll be better if you make them at home. If
you make a caramel apple at home, you're not talking
a ton of work. I mean, it's a decent amount
of work, but not not like making a candied apple.
That's a lot of frigging work. Like if you're gonna
do that. Honestly, if I was gonna make candied apples,

(02:00:59):
I would do the slices.

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
That would be.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
That would be I think that would be Although that
would be amazing caramel too. Oh my gosh, I need
to see I'm getting really hungry, is what's happening on
the show. Because I was just like, I'm making elotes
tonight for Rachel and her niece her Nieces coming over,
and Rachel's making pizza. And she texted me today this
morning and was like, Hey, I know it doesn't in
any way go with pizza, and this seems really random,

(02:01:23):
but can you make eylo taste to go with the pizza.
I already bought ears of corn last night and I
was like, yes, I will make you eat low taste.
If people don't know, that's basically a street corn covered
in like a mayonnaise, sauce and pepper and chili powder.
It's very very tasty. But I just realized. I was like,
oh man, I need to check if I have any

(02:01:44):
any h Oh what's it called? That kind of that
sweet and condensed milk? I need to see if I
have any. What's funny is I was gonna say sweet
milk and it filled the word like it started the
word shitting commense milk. I used to have any because
if you can pressure cook the can and it basically
turns into dulcet delay.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
Right, Yeah, we talked about this.

Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
Yeah, it's amazing, but I ate it till I made
myself sick because it was a giant can of it.
So I'm sitting there dipping pretzels in it, dipping, dipping
a slice of apple in it, and I'm like, I
can't keep it. Only keep for like a week in
the fridge. So I'm just eating it like every meal,
Like I can't waste A can of a can of
sweetened Canden's milk is like a dollar eighty maybe I

(02:02:23):
don't know. Anyway, We're getting close to wrapping this up,
so I want to. I want to. I want to
keep TI rating, but I am really hungry. I have
a donut from last night that I didn't eat, and
I'm going to eat to tide me over because I
think dinner's going to be late because I gotta make
lote from scratch. Oh, and I'm gonna make it from scratch,
like I'm gonna make the mayonnaise. Oh, because now I

(02:02:44):
know how to make mayonnaise and it's awesome. I cannot
recommend enough if you have an emulsion blender, making like
making a week's worth of Mayo takes like four minutes
and then you're done. You just have mayo.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
Anyway, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (02:02:59):
Bats. Bats were likely present at the earliest proto Halloween celebrations,
not just symbolically but literally as part of Yeah, you
would think right, as part of Sowyn you.

Speaker 2 (02:03:14):
Love bats, by the way, I do like bats.

Speaker 1 (02:03:18):
As part of Sowyn Celtic. Celtics lit large bonfires, which
attracted insects, which in turn attracted bats. Man, that makes
so much sense why that bats would become a part
of the celebration. Yeah, because they had bonfires. Giant bonfires
were one of the first things they did to celebrate
that would totally attract bugs from everywhere. So then you
see bats flying around. Happens at the drive in theater sometimes, Yeah,

(02:03:42):
at the drive and you'll see bats constantly because there
are tons of insects around because of all the people
and all the light.

Speaker 2 (02:03:48):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
Yeah, and it's double edged because they go to the
light on the screen and the light from the actual
projector so you end up with just a ton of bugs. Yeah.
The last time I went, you could literally just see
bats zooming around all over. It was really cool. Awe.
Medieval folklore expanded upon the eeriness of bats, with a
number of superstitions built around the belief that bats were
harbingers of death. Oh yeah, Devouring candy one of my

(02:04:18):
all time favorite Halloween pastimes. Even though I get older
and now I can't. I used to be able to
eat candy for like forever, it felt like, and now
it's like, after three or four pieces, I'm like, I
don't know, unless it's really good candy or like a
candy I'm obsessed with, you know. If it's something like
gourmet sours or something, I might like eat a ton
of them. But yeah, like, yeah, I'm getting old man.

(02:04:39):
The active going door to door for handouts has long
been a part of Halloween revelries, but until the mid
twentieth century, the treats children received were not necessarily candy.
Things like fruit, nuts, coins, and toys were just as
likely to be given out. That's why we have to
tpee their houses and keep our society in check. People

(02:05:00):
began to favor the confections out of convenience, but candies
did not dominate as the exclusion of other treats until
the nineteen seventies, when parents started started fearing anything unwrapped. Okay,
did you have the house in your neighborhood where they
handed on apples? No, we did. We had like a
couple of houses that would hand on apples, and of

(02:05:22):
course we also had the legendary dentist house where they
handed out toothbrushes.

Speaker 2 (02:05:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:05:29):
Yeah, we would never eat the apples. We were told
apples will always have razor blades in them, so we would.
We would destroy them. We'd like to throw them in
the street and bust them up.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
We were all, I mean, you could have cut the
apple and then you would find the razor blade, and
then you could eat the apple and have a razor blade.

Speaker 1 (02:05:48):
I did not think that was I did not know
that was where you were going. That was so good.
Well played cell last one. Candy corn, Well, we were
just talking.

Speaker 2 (02:06:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:06:01):
A candy maker at the Wonderly Candy Company in Philadelphia
whow is sometimes credited with inventing the tricolored candy in
the eighteen eighties, but candy corn did not become a
widespread sensation until the Golitz Company brought the candy to
the masses in eighteen ninety eight. Candy corn was originally
called chicken feed. I do remember that chicken feed and

(02:06:25):
sold in boxes with the slogan something worth crowing for what.

Speaker 2 (02:06:30):
That's weird.

Speaker 1 (02:06:32):
Marketing was so weird turn of the century, like when
the nineteen niner started, it was so weird, like and
everything was like consolidated biscuit mix taste, consolidated flavor biscuits
and stuff like did you like what?

Speaker 2 (02:06:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:06:46):
People like Well, people like consolidation, they like flavor, and
they like biscuits. Yeah, Like that doesn't sound exciting anyway.
It's like in England they still have digestive biscuits, jesive biscuits.
Of course you do.

Speaker 2 (02:07:02):
They're really could No, I actually.

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
Like them to it's the name that's funny to me. Yeah,
the jestive biscuits initially an autumn autumnal candy because of
corn's associated with harvest time. Candy. Corn later became Halloween
specific when trigger treating grew in popularity in the US
during the nineteen fifties. So that is a little rundown
of some of the traditions that we still celebrate that

(02:07:26):
we may not entirely understand. Yeah, so we're going to
take a quick break and when we get back. We're
going to talk a little bit about some horror movies
I saw in the theater, maybe a little bit of
Reddit creepiness, and wrap things up as we get ready
to head into spooky season and see you all again
right before Halloween. But we'll be back right after this.

(02:07:51):
All right, we're back, wrapping up this September twenty twenty
five edition of Monthly Spooky and No Joke. So one
of the things I like to talk about on the
last segment of the show is horror media. I've been watching,
whether usually ideally in the theater, but you know whatever,
a new horror TV series, although, man, we had we

(02:08:14):
were maggoty with them. For a while. We had Haunting
a Hill House, and then the next year we had
Haunting a Blind Manor, and the next year we had
We had so many good ones for years on years.
We had Midnight mass which was phenomenal, and now we
haven't had one in like two years. It's a bummer.

Speaker 2 (02:08:29):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (02:08:30):
I love those spooky series, but obviously, but it's funny.
Right before we started, I was like, I wonder, I
was like, oh, man, horror movies in the theater. I
don't think we've had any luck since the last show.
So then I pulled up my phone and looked at
my own Instagram, because I take pictures of movie stubs,
you know, before I go into a theater. I've seen

(02:08:50):
three horror movies in the theater since our last show.
Oh okay, so there has been no shortage of horror
films to watch in the theater, and the quality has
been overall pretty good. Actually, the first one I saw
was the was The Conjuring Last Rights, the final film

(02:09:13):
in the Conjuring series, the very popular Conjuring series which
features the Warrens, the famous paranormal investigators who are undoubtedly frauds,
but the movie version of them is super fun. In fact,
I'll give you one more spoil for hanging out this
long with us. The biggest episode of Terrifying and True

(02:09:34):
in October is going to be a super long deep
dive into what the Warrens lied about, like the Warrens
Factor fiction, basically super detailed. My voice already hurts imagining
how long it's going to take to record it, but
I'm really looking forward to it. But Conjuring the Last

(02:09:55):
Rights it had everything you like about the Conjuring movies
have you seen any of them.

Speaker 2 (02:09:58):
I think I saw one of them.

Speaker 1 (02:10:01):
Yeah, they're fun. They're fun ghost romps with like lots
of special effects and scares. This one delivered everything you
would like if you like those movies, and it wrapped
it up in a neat bow and kind of made
it feel good, like positive at the end. So I
highly recommend if you liked any of the Conjuring movies,
check out The Conjuring Last Rites. The next horror film

(02:10:23):
I saw is called Him, and it's kind of popular.
It's claim to fame is that it was produced by
Jordan Peel, who made Get Out and Us and Nope,
which I like all his movies quite a bit, but
he was a producer on this one. And it's about

(02:10:43):
a football star who has to go to this training
camp to try and become like the biggest player in
the world. And something is really weird at this training camp,
Like the medicines are questionable, the rituals are crest questionable.
It's really weird and creepy. I I liked it the
third The ending was the only thing I didn't really love.

(02:11:05):
I thought the ending felt really kind of unearned and odd,
and if the ending had been strong. It probably would
have been one of my top horror movies the whole
year because it had such an immense amount of symbolism,
Like the symbolism was so thick. I knew I was
missing things because I was like so busy looking at things.
I'd be like, oh my gosh, Like one of the

(02:11:25):
big things is that keep saying like you want to
be the goat the greatest of all time. And there's
goat symbolism everywhere, like the animal everywhere, and an immense
amount of biblical symbolism too, like obscene amounts of biblical symbolism.
So I really thought it was a fun movie. I
really enjoyed it, but yeah, the ending didn't quite work

(02:11:46):
for me. But if you like kind of weird, challenging,
heavy duty horror, it's really a good time. And then
finally I watched the latest Stephen King adaptation, The Long Walk,
based on his novel of the same name, which is
basically a story about fifty kids. Well they're adults sort of.

(02:12:07):
I mean they're like young men who they apply for
a lottery to go on what's called the Long Walk,
and it's where you have to walk at three miles
per hour until nobody else until nobody else can go.
Whatever doesn't stop wins, and if you stop, there's rules,
like you have thirty seconds to start up again. You

(02:12:27):
get one warning. After you hit three warnings, they shoot
you in the head.

Speaker 2 (02:12:32):
Oh that's yeah, problem.

Speaker 1 (02:12:35):
Yeah, and you you that's it, Like it's it's really good,
it's really interesting. I felt like it was a big
allegory for military service because they were all excited to
do it, and then the reality sets in that it's
really because they know that you die if you lose,
but the reality is harder, you know. And but they
make friends along the way, which again I think plays
to the concept of you know, how the military works,

(02:12:56):
because people do make lasting friendships in the military stuff.
And the winner gets an obscene amount of money and
one wish granted by the bizarre totalitarian government.

Speaker 2 (02:13:08):
Can the wish be that no one actually died? Can
it bring your friends back to life?

Speaker 1 (02:13:12):
Sadly, they actually say, like it's a wish that can
be granted by like the government or the military.

Speaker 2 (02:13:19):
Can the wish be to dissolve the long walk?

Speaker 1 (02:13:23):
So apparently, so, first of all, you're not They mentioned
that pretty early on. No, they suggest that in the past,
people have died before they could win after suggesting that
out loud. Okay, so, but that doesn't mean that the
goal isn't for several of them to end the long Walk.

(02:13:44):
And none of them are into it by the time
there's down to like five of them. They all hate it.
They all believe this is like the most evil thing
you could do to anybody is put them through this. Yeah,
it was really good. I liked it. My only complaint
was one of the actors. He was really good, but
he had a horrible accent, so bad his accent. He
was doing a Southern accent, and his accent was so

(02:14:05):
bad that I actually turned to Dave while we were
watching it and I went, was I not paying attention
or did he not have an accent before? Because it
would come and go, Oh, he would all of a
sudden have this real long drawl and then he kind
of talked to some normal yeah, and it got to
be really distracting. And he's British, so when he said fuck,
I was like, oh, he's British. They all say who

(02:14:26):
you know. Remember if you're ever talking to somebody and
you're worried they're British and hiding it. Tell them to
say the phrase federal court order. They'll fall apart. It's
just impossible to fake the American accent and say federal
court order. Yeah. Interesting that You're welcome. That's a free
tip for everybody listening. But yeah, I enjoyed the long walk.
If you like Stephen King stories and you don't mind

(02:14:47):
a really dour concept, it's really fun. Before we get
out of your cell, is there anything creepy going on
in reddit land?

Speaker 2 (02:14:55):
Okay? So I have this one and it's interesting because
that deals with Stephen King slightly. Oh okay, I mean
not really. But so there's this human the poster. It's
from Glitch in the Matrix.

Speaker 1 (02:15:09):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:15:09):
And so they were they were like texting their friend
and they wanted to quote a line from Stephen King's
book on Writing, which you know about.

Speaker 1 (02:15:20):
I love that book. I've read it twice.

Speaker 2 (02:15:22):
Yeah, so they went to quote. They so they like
couldn't remember exactly like what they wanted to quote, So
they opened the book to that page and found the
quote and everything, and then they were like, let me
get something to drink. So they went in the kitchen,
left the book open, came back ninety seconds later, book
is closed. So I assume when when we're talking about open,

(02:15:45):
we're talking about upside down open, So it can't close.
It's not book is closed. No, no, no, no, sorry, I'm wrong. Sorry,
everybody come back. Ninety seconds later, book is gone, no
longer on the table, okay, And so oh they're looking
like all over the house for it, like freaking out,
like I was just doing this. Eventually they just decide

(02:16:06):
like I'm just going to go take a walk because
I can't deal with this. Come back. Book is on
the table, closed, So they open it to the page.
Actually they open it and it just opens right to
the page that they wanted to and right next to
the quote let me pull this back up in in

(02:16:27):
blue pen in handwriting that kind of looked like their own.
It said you already know this, which is weird because
they don't write in their books.

Speaker 1 (02:16:35):
Yeah, who does?

Speaker 2 (02:16:37):
Yeah I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:16:38):
I don't either. That is so weird.

Speaker 2 (02:16:41):
Yeah. I think it's a carbon monoxide thing.

Speaker 1 (02:16:44):
Honestly, Yeah, yeah, it sounded carbon monoxide. Did they post
a photo of the book the note? They did not see.
That's why not. It's so it would be so easy
to share.

Speaker 2 (02:16:54):
That it would also be easy to fake it too, though.

Speaker 1 (02:16:57):
Yeah. I mean that's kind of my point, is like
it feels even more sketchy that you wouldn't take the picture,
since even if it was fake, it wouldn't be hard
to fake it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:17:06):
I mean, I haven't gone through all of the comments,
but I don't see anything suggesting. Oh, this person said
carbon monoxide poisoning.

Speaker 1 (02:17:15):
Yeah, that sounds like old carbon monoxide poisoning to me. Yeah.
That's creepy though.

Speaker 2 (02:17:20):
Yeah, it is. It is It just like if it
looks like you wrote it and you don't remember writing
it and you couldn't find like that sounds like you
just you're gonna die in your house.

Speaker 1 (02:17:29):
Oh yeah yeah yeah, and not like it'll be scary,
even not in the way you think it'll be.

Speaker 2 (02:17:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:17:35):
Yeah. Well, thank you Chell for making sure we're plugged
in properly to the reddit hive mind for creepiness.

Speaker 2 (02:17:43):
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (02:17:44):
I do appreciate that, and I appreciate all of you
guys listening to Monthly Spooky. We've done so many of
these episodes now, I think we're up to almost thirty episodes. Wow,
there's something really fun about wrapping up the month by
talking about spooky stuff with a little bit more humor
to it, having a good time. I really appreciate it.
I just appreciate you guys listening, and thank you Michelle
for doing the show with me. It really does mean

(02:18:06):
a lot to me to be able to hang out
with you and annoy you in a way that is
captured forever for posterity, instead of the way I normally
annoy you.

Speaker 2 (02:18:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:18:14):
Yeah, And we'll be back at the end of October
on the twenty seventh to talk about Halloween a little
bit more, have some fun, and make sure you're all
in the spooky state of mind, because sometimes it can
be hard. Life can get challenging, you can end up
working a lot or whatever and you just lose that spirit. Well,
we're here to help bring it back, baby. So until

(02:18:37):
next time, for myself, for my executive producers Rob Fields
and Bobotopia dot Com, my producer Dan Wilder, and of
course our composer Ray Mattis, we will talk at you
next time. Make sure to head to Weeklyspooky dot Com
slash join and help us for as little as one
dollar a month, get bonus shows and so much more.
Weeklyspooky dot com slash Join. I did everything out of
order because I'm just so hungry. So, Michelle, you have

(02:18:59):
the Finn a word. Please don't say anything mean about
those before docks and owners.

Speaker 2 (02:19:03):
Oh well, then I don't have any of our final
parts doctor, damn it

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