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October 6, 2025 14 mins

It started with a series of posts on social media.

Nostalgic images of Australia from decades ago, accompanied by statements like  "we're starting to feel like strangers in our own home” 

WA Liberal MP Andrew Hastie’s public posts about what he’s calling “out of control” immigration, as well as housing and energy costs have now led to his resignation. 
 
While that means he’s on the backbench right now, the conservative MP has made no secret about his ambition to lead.

Today, political reporter Karen Middleton, on Andrew Hastie’s rebellion – and what it means for Sussan Ley’s future.


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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It started with a series of posts on social media
nostalgic images of Australia from decades ago, accompanied by statements
like we're starting to feel like strangers in our own home.
WA Liberal MP Andrew Hasty's public posts about what he's
calling out of control immigration, as well as housing and
energy costs have now led to his resignation. And while

(00:24):
that means he's on the backbench right now, the Conservative
MP has made no secret about his ambition to lead.
I'm Ruby Jones and you're listening to seven AM Today
political reporter Karen Middleton on Andrew Hasty's rebellion and what
it means for Susan Lee's future. It's Tuesday, October seven,

(00:57):
So Karen late on Friday news broke that Andrew Hasty
had quit the front bench. So let's begin with the
reasons that he gave publicly for that decision.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
So we know he has concerns about the levels of
immigration and Susan Leader, opposition leader, sent out what she's
calling charter letters to all the members of her front bench,
laying out her expectations and their responsibilities. And Andrew Hasty
says that the charter letter he received indicated that he
would have no role as Shadow Home Affairs Minister in

(01:31):
setting the party's immigration policy.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
When it was made clear that I wouldn't have any
leadership in that role, I thought it was time for
me to depart because essentially I want to be able
to speak about immigration, which I think is a critical
issue for a lot of Australians at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
The immigration part of the portfolio is more specifically held
by Paul Scarr, but normally ahead of the portfolio, the
more senior minister would also obviously have a role in
drafting policy. Said if he had no role in policy,
he was effectively being noveled. He couldn't serve. He spoke
to Susan Lee and he gave her his resignation.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
And so talk to me, Karen about what has led
to this moment and some of the things that Andrew
Hasty has been saying publicly in the last month or
so about the direction that he thinks coalition policy should have.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
He has obviously been unhappy with the direction of policy
in the Coalition since the election. It was interesting he
was quite personally affected by the assassination of Charlie Kirk
in the United States, and since then He's been speaking
out a lot more directly about his views on a
range of issues, particularly on energy policy and the ambition

(02:45):
to reach net zero greenhouse gas emissions by twenty fifty.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I think we're going to destroy our country on that
current trajectory, and that's why I'm so opposed to sticking
with net zero and Labour's climate targets along the way.
Now your position.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
He doesn't like that policy and he doesn't want the
coalition and to retain that policy. And we know there's
a core constituency within the right of the Liberal Party
and certainly within the Nationals that are.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Opposed to that.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
So that was the issue he's been talking about most
forcefully recently, and suggesting that if the party, when it
finishes its review of that policy, persists with it, that
he couldn't serve.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Okay, and Andrew Hasty is known for being very ambitious.
He has said that he wants to be the leader
one day. So just tell me a bit more about
him and how he's risen through the ranks.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Well, he was a Special Forces soldier.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
He joined the Liberal Party and then entered the Parliament
more than ten years ago now. He entered on a
by election after the death of Don Randall, who was
a member for Canning in Western Australia, and Don Randall
died suddenly. Now it was interesting because he was recruited
under the leadership of Tony Abbot, and you'd have to
say he is an Abbot style politician.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
The primary acts of sacrifice at the human level in
the common on Christian tradition are those of confession and forgiveness.
These acts go to the heart of individual and collective accountability.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
And he's got similar ideas on policy and ideology to
Tony Abbot. But by the time he actually won that
by election, Tony Abbott had been replaced by Malcolm Turnbull,
so there was already a bit of a negative frisson
between Andrew Hasey and the party leadership because Malcolm Turnbull
was much more moderate than Tony Abbott.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
We are told that there is no such thing as truth,
that all opinions are equal, and that our heritage is
no more unique than any other cultural achievement. I reject
this culture of relativism, both on moral and intellectual grounds,
for the threat opposers to our civic culture, and because
it is rationally, morally and practically unsustainable.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Now Andrew Hasty is held and won that seat repeatedly
and increased his margin. He certainly increased his margin at
the last election, which was going against the trend of
the rest of the Liberal Party effectively. And he sees
himself as reflects the views of his constituency. And he's young,
he's outspoken, he's well read, he's thoughtful, but he's also

(05:10):
very conservative and he has these strong ideas making him
step forward and speak more loudly and put his views
out there in a way that doesn't necessarily gel with
the current leadership of the party. And it's going through
a review process. So there are a number of people
saying just just wait for the review, but he is
not doing that.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, And speaking of that review, it's being reported that
Peter Dutton has been laying a lot of the blame
for that election loss at Andrew Hasty's feet.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
So tell me about what's being said. Yes, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
There's a report in the nine newspapers this week suggesting
that Peter Dutton has really slammed Andrew Hasty and his contribution.
The newspapers are quoting an anonymous source who's saying that
someone who should have been a powerful voice in the media,
tearing strips off labor was absent, skin to do media
all lazy. Now, that is an anonymous source reporting the

(06:04):
view of Peter Dutton. But it seems that Peter Dutton
has made some quite strong criticisms of Andrew Hasty.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
There was a review.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
This report says that he was supposed to conduct into
defense policy, and the allegation is that it wasn't completed,
that it wasn't done in time, and there wasn't enough
work for the party to bring the policy forward.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Now we know that towards.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
The end of the election campaign, certainly there was tension
between Andrew Hasty and Peter Dutton. Peter Dutton eventually went
to Perth and there was a testy press conference where
it was quite clear that there'd been a disagreement over
defense policy. And Andrew Hasty had been sort of silent
and not been doing much. And Andrew Hasty has told

(06:47):
those newspapers that he rejects all of that, that's a
false narrative.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Hasty also swears that Susan Lee has his support.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
So should we believe that.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, they always do have their support until they don't.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Rube.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
That's the way it generally goes.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
So, I mean, I think he made a decision after
the election, when the contest was opened for the leadership
that he wouldn't run, and he made the point that
he has a young family, but equally ambitious politicians who
are looking to feature leadership want to choose their time carefully,
and after an election, when your party's been absolutely wiped out,

(07:24):
there's not a lot of takers generally for that responsibility
because it's a terrible job trying to pull a party
together after it's been smashed like that.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
But Andrew Hasty clearly.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Wants to have a go, and he is positioning himself
as the conservative alternative ahead of Angus Taylor.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
That's the objective, and we'll see how long he waits.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Coming up the growing chorus of dissent coming from the backbench, Karen,
How did Susan Lee respond to Hasey's decision to resign.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Well, she said she was disappointed as she would have
preferred that they were able to reach a compromise and
he could stay.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
I mean, it coincided.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
We see revelation that some of the women who had
married or been partners with ISIS fighters and had gone
off to the Middle East, had come back to Australia,
planned its finally recently with their children.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Now that's controversial.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
There's been long disagreements within the political parties of what
should happen with those That issue emerged as Andrew Hasty
was resigning from the Home Affairs portfolio, which of course
is the portfolio with this is relevant. So you know
they didn't have a spokesperson, so I guess you can
read her comments about disappointing in that context as well.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
And as you mentioned, Hassey now joins another fairly right
wing Liberal figure on the backbench just sent a Nabajimba.
Price was fired from cabinet just a few weeks ago.
You have been covering federal politics for a very long time,
so tell me, I mean, what can happen to a
party when you've got high profile diskgrunt toward politicians on

(09:07):
the back bench with time on the hands.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Well, Ruby, it's never good.

Speaker 6 (09:12):
The Western Australian mpay the latest in a growing group
of former front benches doing their bidding from the back,
including Liberal senators Jane Hume, Sarah Henderson just sent a
NAMP and jimper Price and MP Tony passon alongside Nationals
colleagues Matt Canavan and former Deputy Prime ministers Barnaby Joyce

(09:32):
and Michael McCormack.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
The thing is, you know, they all talk a lot
on all sides of politics about importance of debate.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
On the labor side, they are are very disciplined.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
They don't countenance to sit and if there are front
benches who descend from cabinet positions or speak out against them,
their mira out of the cabinet and they would be
out of the party if they can't support those positions.
And the Liberal Party is always pointing to that and
saying you don't tolerate a range of views. At least
we're a broad church. But equally in the Liberal Party

(10:05):
there's a fine line, or maybe it's not so fine
between the airing all the range of views and allowing
people to have different opinions and what looks like chaos
and the old saying if you can't govern yourselves, you
can't govern the country. But it just lays bare the
underlying tensions in the Liberal Party that you have a

(10:25):
conservative wing and a moderate wing and people trying to
bridge those two and they didn't manage to do it
successfully at the last election, and they're not doing it
successfully at the moment. And they've got another two and
a half years to see if they can pull it
together and find a compromised position that might make them
viable as an alternative government in the future.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
And susonly, I mean she won the leadership on a
very narrow margin. It was twenty nine to twenty five.
She's only been there for five months, and it doesn't
really seem like her party has given her much runway
to be able to steer the coalition in the direction
that she wants. So how in your view is she
handling that challenge well.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
And remember that three of those votes, at least three
of those votes are no longer there. Giselle Ktirian, who
was the Liberal candidate in one of those till seats in.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Sydney who didn't ultimately win it. She's not there.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Senator Holly Hughes and Senator Linda Reynolds both left the
Senate in July, so that vote on paper at.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Least is now shrunk to one.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
There's a suggestion that she's won a little more support
by the way she's handled herself, and certainly early on
asserting herself dealing with the Nationals insurrection. She has one,
respect and support from colleagues. But if you look at
opinion polls, and we had another news poll out this week,
it's not showing there in terms of the party's vote.

(11:50):
This is always the period, as I say, where nobody
much wants the job. But that's going to change within
the next year and she'll have a fight on her hands.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, she's clearly in a pretty precarious position. Is they're
talking camera of a leadership spill anytime soon?

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I don't think so, not imminently.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
It's funny because when a resignation like Andrew Hasti's comes along,
often that does precipitate a leadership challenge. In this case,
I think the resignation won't immediately precipitate a leadership challenge.
But having Andrew Hasty, someone that prominent on the back
bench and clearly able to speak his mind even more

(12:28):
and clearly not inclined to support moderate positions on energy
policy or immigration policy, is going to make that job
even harder for Susan Lee.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Well, Karen, thank you so much for your tame.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Thanks Ruby.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Also in the news today, a sixty year old man
has been arrested after fifty to one hundred gunshots for
fire indiscriminately. It passes by over a two hour period
in Sydney's Inner West on Sunday night, one man aged
in his fifties was shot in the neck and chest.
He was taken to hospital in a critical condition and
underwent emergency surgery. More than a dozen others were hospitalized.

(13:17):
Police say they are currently probing the motive of the
alleged gunman, and Australia and Papua New Guinea have signed
a landmark defense agreement that would commit the two nations
to defending each other in the event of a military attack.
Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi and PNG Prime Minister James mara
Pe signed the Pook Pook Treaty at a ceremony at
Parliament House in Canberra yesterday.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Thanks for listening.
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